[videoblogging] Re: ABC News Story
That's a great piece! That lucky ninja... I find it troubling, though, that the ABC news anchor calls Rocketboom fake news. I mean, the news is real and they're reporting it... so what makes it fake? Kitka --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Valdez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did I fall in a hole or has this already been passed around? ABC News story about Video Podcasting with Ask a Ninja, etc http://www.culturalfarming.com/medianipple/211-230/215_ABC_News_Podcast_Report.mov from an excellent video blog http://www.culturalfarming.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: ABC News Story
I find it troubling, though, that the ABC news anchor calls Rocketboom"fake news". I mean, the news is real and they're reporting it... sowhat makes it fake? Jon Stewart refers to "The Daily Show" as "faux news" too, though he has some of the best reporting around most of the time. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: ABC News Story
Jon Stewart refers to The Daily Show as faux news too, though he has some of the best reporting around most of the time. Well, all news to a certain point is faux (French for false), but John Stewart is first and foremost a comedian (this is explained on that fateful episode of CNN's Crossfire). I remember learning this lesson a long time ago in elementary school when I was told that most news stories are cut up and pasted together to portray a certain narrative... heck, a similar but more gruesome idea is even addressed in George Orwell's Nineteen-Eighty-Four. This is why liberal and conservative media differ so greatly. That said, however, I don't see how the validity of Rocketboom differs from mainstream news. Perhaps it's because RB allows for speculative news (or buzz), while mainstream news anchors are too scared of destroying their reputations (remember the Dan Rather debacle?). If anything, I would say that SNL's Weekend Update is fake/faux news. The formula of their news stories start by telling the true news and then leading into a fake story by saying stuff like and in other news I've done this once on my own show, but that's the only time I believe I've said something fake. I may be wrong, but I don't remember one occassion where RB blatently gave us false information for comedic purposes. Kitka http://www.kitkast.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: ABC News Story
Wow - that is very cool. This whole vlogging thing is so exciting. I can't wait to see how it evolves over the next year. Monique Danielle (Aka VlogDiva) http://www.vlogdiva.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: ABC News Story
Yeah, did you also notice how the anchor said that there weren't very many downloads last year? Duh... videoblogging has been growing exponentially in the past few months thanks to the video-iPod (and similar portable technology, the emergence of new aggregators and directories. He makes it seem like videoblogging is never going to hit it big... but it's making it big as we speak! Oh well... I guess his piece is just another example of misleading news that is put together to tell a certain narrative! Kitka http://www.kitkast.com/ --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, gottadiva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow - that is very cool. This whole vlogging thing is so exciting. I can't wait to see how it evolves over the next year. Monique Danielle (Aka VlogDiva) http://www.vlogdiva.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: ABC News Story
Yeah, did you also notice how the anchor said that there weren't verymany downloads last year? Duh... videoblogging has been growingexponentially in the past few months thanks to the video-iPod (andsimilar portable technology, the emergence of new aggregators anddirectories. He makes it seem like videoblogging is never going tohit it big... In that I guess "real" news isn't that much different from SNL or The Daily Show, is it...the difference being that the end resultof the fact manipulationisn't intended to be "comedic," but something elseeither misleading, or the reporter didn't understand the subject at all. -- BevBlog: http://funnytheblog.blogspot.com/Journal: http://funnytheworld.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: ABC News Story
Sorry, Bev, but can you re-write that... I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say. Kitka In that I guess real news isn't that much different from SNL or The Daily Show, is it...the difference being that the end result of the fact manipulation isn't intended to be comedic, but something elseeither misleading, or the reporter didn't understand the subject at all. -- Bev Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: ABC News Story
You talked about SNL and The Daily Show manipulating the news to make it humorous. If a reporter is manipulating the news (under-reporting the popularity of video blogs) for some reason, how does that make it any different from SNL or The Daily Show? (The only way it would be different is if the reporter was too clueless to actually do the research and find out the truth behind the story) -- BevBlog: http://funnytheblog.blogspot.com/Journal: http://funnytheworld.com - Original Message - From: Kitka To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 7:54 AM Subject: [videoblogging] Re: ABC News Story Sorry, Bev, but can you re-write that... I'm not sure I understandwhat you're trying to say.Kitka In that I guess "real" news isn't that much different from SNL orThe Daily Show, is it...the difference being that the end result ofthe fact manipulation isn't intended to be "comedic," but somethingelseeither misleading, or the reporter didn't understand thesubject at all. -- Bev SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: ABC News Story
It's fake because videoblogging and sites like Rocketboom are getting big enough to start competing with ABC News and other prior media. A new technological development is the darling of some in the prior methods until it looks to overtake them. -- Enric -==- http://www.cirne.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kitka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a great piece! That lucky ninja... I find it troubling, though, that the ABC news anchor calls Rocketboom fake news. I mean, the news is real and they're reporting it... so what makes it fake? Kitka --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Valdez valdezfilm@ wrote: Did I fall in a hole or has this already been passed around? ABC News story about Video Podcasting with Ask a Ninja, etc http://www.culturalfarming.com/medianipple/211-230/215_ABC_News_Podcast_Report.mov from an excellent video blog http://www.culturalfarming.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: ABC News Story
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, BevSykes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You talked about SNL and The Daily Show manipulating the news to make it humorous. If a reporter is manipulating the news (under-reporting the popularity of video blogs) for some reason, how does that make it any different from SNL or The Daily Show? (The only way it would be different is if the reporter was too clueless to actually do the research and find out the truth behind the story) Stupidity should not to be underestimated. ;) -- Bev Blog: http://funnytheblog.blogspot.com/ Journal: http://funnytheworld.com - Original Message - From: Kitka To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 7:54 AM Subject: [videoblogging] Re: ABC News Story Sorry, Bev, but can you re-write that... I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say. Kitka In that I guess real news isn't that much different from SNL or The Daily Show, is it...the difference being that the end result of the fact manipulation isn't intended to be comedic, but something elseeither misleading, or the reporter didn't understand the subject at all. -- Bev SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group videoblogging on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: ABC News Story
You talked about SNL and The Daily Show manipulating the news to make it humorous. If a reporter is manipulating the news (under-reporting the popularity of video blogs) for some reason, how does that make it any different from SNL or The Daily Show? (The only way it would be different is if the reporter was too clueless to actually do the research and find out the truth behind the story) -- Bev Thank for clarifying your last point a bit better, Bev. The point I was getting to earlier is why does this news anchor claim that Rocketboom is fake news while _his_ ABC webcast is real news. The point that you have just made agrees with my prior statement that all news is fabricated, whether it is comedy or 'reality'. The reason for this is that reporters take what they want out of a story and broadcast a fraction of the full picture. The difference between shows like SNL and this ABC webcast is that SNL invents stories for comedic purposes, while this ABC reporter is leaving out vital information explaining why there weren't very many videoblog downloads last year. I mean, he _could_ have added a sentence saying something like However, with the growing popularity of the video iPod and the growing online accessibility of vlogs from places like iTunes, videoblog downloads in 2006 are _sure_ to overtake any numbers from previous years. Instead... he just made it look like videoblogs were unpopular and that it's best to just sit back and watch television. My best explanation for WHY he reported the story in this fashion is that although ABC has an online webcast, they fear that television as-we-know-it will become extinct. When I was talking with a CBC reporter the other day, he said that he is terribly fearful that the mainstream media will fall behind and die... this is a fear shared by many in the mainstream. Kitka http://www.kitkast.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: ABC News Story
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kitka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You talked about SNL and The Daily Show manipulating the news to make it humorous. If a reporter is manipulating the news (under-reporting the popularity of video blogs) for some reason, how does that make it any different from SNL or The Daily Show? (The only way it would be different is if the reporter was too clueless to actually do the research and find out the truth behind the story) -- Bev Thank for clarifying your last point a bit better, Bev. The point I was getting to earlier is why does this news anchor claim that Rocketboom is fake news while _his_ ABC webcast is real news. The point that you have just made agrees with my prior statement that all news is fabricated, whether it is comedy or 'reality'. The reason for this is that reporters take what they want out of a story and broadcast a fraction of the full picture. The difference between shows like SNL and this ABC webcast is that SNL invents stories for comedic purposes, while this ABC reporter is leaving out vital information explaining why there weren't very many videoblog downloads last year. I mean, he _could_ have added a sentence saying something like However, with the growing popularity of the video iPod and the growing online accessibility of vlogs from places like iTunes, videoblog downloads in 2006 are _sure_ to overtake any numbers from previous years. Instead... he just made it look like videoblogs were unpopular and that it's best to just sit back and watch television. My best explanation for WHY he reported the story in this fashion is that although ABC has an online webcast, they fear that television as-we-know-it will become extinct. When I was talking with a CBC reporter the other day, he said that he is terribly fearful that the mainstream media will fall behind and die... this is a fear shared by many in the mainstream. Kitka http://www.kitkast.com/ Current mainstream media won't go away, just will become significantly smaller in the future. We still have Opera, just the percentage of population going to see it is smaller. -- Enric -==- http://www.cirne.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: ABC News Story
Current mainstream media won't go away, just will become significantly smaller in the future. We still have Opera, just the percentage of population going to see it is smaller. -- Enric I agree, Enric. After all, we videobloggers and bloggers who report quoted news from mainstream sources will continue to depend on those sources. You can see how the mainstream media might be scared, though... they may not go away, but it's quite possible they will downsize. Kitka http://www.kitkast.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: ABC News Story
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kitka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Current mainstream media won't go away, just will become significantly smaller in the future. We still have Opera, just the percentage of population going to see it is smaller. -- Enric I agree, Enric. After all, we videobloggers and bloggers who report quoted news from mainstream sources will continue to depend on those sources. You can see how the mainstream media might be scared, though... they may not go away, but it's quite possible they will downsize. Kitka http://www.kitkast.com/ Yup, being top dog is nice. ;), Enric Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: ABC News Story
Let's ask him. On Mar 10, 2006, at 11:46 AM, Kitka wrote: The point I was getting to earlier is why does this news anchor claim that Rocketboom is fake news while _his_ ABC webcast is real news. --Steve -- http://SteveGarfield.com http://Rocketboom.com My most recent post: VLOG SOUP: Episode 12 http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/2006/03/vlog_soup_episo.html You are worth like 50 million danishes. - Amy Carpenter Alternative reply address: stephen.garfield [AT] comcast.net Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: ABC News Story
I did. No reply yet. -- BevBlog: http://funnytheblog.blogspot.com/Journal: http://funnytheworld.com - Original Message - From: Steve Garfield To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: ABC News Story Let's ask him.On Mar 10, 2006, at 11:46 AM, Kitka wrote: The point I was getting to earlier is why does this news anchor claim that Rocketboom is "fake news" while _his_ ABC webcast is "real news".--Steve-- http://SteveGarfield.comhttp://Rocketboom.comMy most recent post:VLOG SOUP: Episode 12http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/2006/03/vlog_soup_episo.html"You are worth like 50 million danishes." - Amy CarpenterAlternative reply address:stephen.garfield [AT] comcast.net YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: ABC News Story
Let's ask him. --Steve Okay... I just re-watched the segment and the name of the ABC correspondent who says there's a fake daily news podcast called Rocketboom is Miguel Marquez, whose bio can be found here: http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1170622 The question is... how do we get in touch with him? If you want to contact anyone at ABC, you have to go through their online submission form. Kitka http://www.kitkast.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
