Re: [videoblogging] Re: Josh Leo's site
Hi everyone: And even then, a $5 Domain Name from GoDaddy would be all one would need for a Blogger-hosted blog. You wouldn't even need to pay for hosting. Just simply get the DNS from Blogger Support to enter into your GoDaddy account control panel and *VOILA!* - A Blogger-hosted blog under YOUR OWN DOMAIN NAME - Courtesy of GoDaddy Mind you, I just simply used GoDaddy as an example registrar. Don't like GoDaddy, insert your favorite registrar in lieu of GoDaddy :D Cheers :D Pat Cook patsbl...@live.com Denver, CO BLOGS PODCASTS AS MY WORLD TURNS - http://asmyworldturnsblog.blogspot.com/ AS MY WEIGHT LOSS WORLD TURNS - http://asmyweightlossworldturns.blogspot.com/ THE LEFT WING CONSERVATIVE - http://www.geocities.com/theleftwingconservative/ From: Mike Meiser Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 16:57 To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Josh Leo's site To use your car analogy most people simply take it to the dealer for maintence. There is no dealer for self hosting. Dreamhost nor any other provide that sort of support. That type of structure does not exist. Most people are not technically literate enough to manage the constant stream of upgrades. I myself while technically capable, cut a hard edge on maintence issues. If I go on vacation for a month, I simply don't want to worry about it. And a month of ignoring it is all it takes... now multiply that by the rest of your life. Most people underestimate how much the long term maintence costs are while underestimating their own capactity to handle that constant maintence. These people should simply NOT be self hosting... unless they use blogger.com which requires no maintence. It's that simple. -Mike On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:41 PM, David Howell taoofda...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry but the Wordpress site owners that are having their sites hacked are the same people that buy a car and expect to never have to change the oil in it. Running a self-hosted site means being able to manage one as well. If you don't want to manage it, then you use sites like Blogger. Blogger is great for that. No frills. No muss. No fuss. No extras. If you dont want to manage it yourself, you hire people like me that will not only design and build it but manage it as well. If you want to do it all yourself, please read the manual, secure it and keep it up do date with patches. Your unsecured site causes problems for everyone. If you dont change the oil in your car, dont cry when it's eventually sitting dead on the side of the road. David Howell http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-...@... wrote: Sad to hear. :( I'm assuming he was running wordpress? I've seen way to many wordpress blogs hacked. The problem is just maintence, you have to keep wordpress constantly up to date to patch security holes. If you don't it will inevitably get hacked. Same goes for all server side open source. Many times I've wanted to redo my blogger.com blog in wordpress, indeed wordpress is simply better, but the truth is blogger.com is virtually hack proof since there's absolutely no server side code running. It's all handled by blogger.com and written to the server via sftp. I've really come to appreciate this rock solid security and ZERO maintenance, and to be honest it's the primary reason I simply recommend blogger over wordpress to anyone who wants to self host on their own domain. The exception being if they're a developer and already running code on their server, in which case they're probably aware enough of the maintenance issues to run wordpress. Lately I've been doing a lot of work in the bike industry and it seems the entire industry from shop owners, to racers to bike makers runs almost exclusively on a blogspot hosted ecosystem. It simply works. P.S. a good auto-backup system or version control system for your blog is a MUST if you run wordpress. A lot of hosting providers include this stock. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog flickr.com/photos/mmeiser2 On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Steve Watkins st...@... wrote: Looking back a page or 2 on his twitter history, I think the site got hacked. http://twitter.com/joshleo Cheers Steve --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David King davidleeking@ wrote: Anyone know what happened to josh Leo's site (joshleo.com)? It looks like it is gone ... I really like his videos! Just curious Sent from my iPhone Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Josh Leo's site
Hi everyone: AhhBut you DO have a choice Brook. Just simply get a $5 Domain Name from (Again for example) GoDaddy. Seriously, WHAT DIFFERENCE should it make as to where your blog is ACTUALLY hosted? Heck, if I wanted to, I could go out get a domain name for my political website EVEN THOUGH the site itself is on Geocities. PEOPLE DO IT ALL THE TIME. It's the NAME you're interested in promoting as that's your site. You could care less about the host, could you? Just my opinion... Cheers :D Pat Cook patsbl...@live.com Denver, CO BLOGS PODCASTS AS MY WORLD TURNS - http://asmyworldturnsblog.blogspot.com/ AS MY WEIGHT LOSS WORLD TURNS - http://asmyweightlossworldturns.blogspot.com/ THE LEFT WING CONSERVATIVE - http://www.geocities.com/theleftwingconservative/ From: Brook Hinton Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 07:26 To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Josh Leo's site To be fair, Wordpress, along with other blog and CMS solutions, is hyped all over the place as being easy and requiring no knowledge of much of anything. Unless you're happy with one of the simpler free templates and never upgrade, it isn't true, but there are reasons some of us less geek-smart folks jumped to it, even if they turned out to be bad reasons. When I contemplated moving from typepad to wordpress I was told by so many people: If you can use typepad you can use wordpress, and migrating is easy There are so many good templates you won't need to code anything, even for that video stuff you want to do. Because it has pages you can replace your whole web site without needing to code anything. It's perfect for you, you won't have to pay someone to set up what you want to do. WIth the exception of the migrating of data, which was easy, none of it was true. Etc etc etc etc etc etc. WIth the exception of the migrating of data, which was indeed easy, none of it was true. All from people who used it, knew how to code but who also knew that I could barely cut and paste my way through editing some simple html. So many of us are NOT the same people that buy a car and expect to never have to change the oil in it. We just bought the hype that no oil was necessary to begin with. A little googling reveals the same stuff now being hyped about CMS like Drupal and Joomla. So since I'm not in a position to pay anyone to do these things for me, I'm learning CSS and whatever else I have to learn. I don't want to, but I sure wish I'd known I had no choice back when I first jumped in. Brook ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Josh Leo's site
Um, I'm not sure what you're responding to - I used to host a blogger blog on my own site, hosted at pair, with its own domain name, so yes I know this is possible. I found blogger's options, at the time, inadequate for what I wanted to do. I've always used domain names of my own choosing regardless of the host I'm using at the time. ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Josh Leo's site
To be fair, Wordpress, along with other blog and CMS solutions, is hyped all over the place as being easy and requiring no knowledge of much of anything. Unless you're happy with one of the simpler free templates and never upgrade, it isn't true, but there are reasons some of us less geek-smart folks jumped to it, even if they turned out to be bad reasons. When I contemplated moving from typepad to wordpress I was told by so many people: If you can use typepad you can use wordpress, and migrating is easy There are so many good templates you won't need to code anything, even for that video stuff you want to do. Because it has pages you can replace your whole web site without needing to code anything. It's perfect for you, you won't have to pay someone to set up what you want to do. WIth the exception of the migrating of data, which was easy, none of it was true. Etc etc etc etc etc etc. WIth the exception of the migrating of data, which was indeed easy, none of it was true. All from people who used it, knew how to code but who also knew that I could barely cut and paste my way through editing some simple html. So many of us are NOT the same people that buy a car and expect to never have to change the oil in it. We just bought the hype that no oil was necessary to begin with. A little googling reveals the same stuff now being hyped about CMS like Drupal and Joomla. So since I'm not in a position to pay anyone to do these things for me, I'm learning CSS and whatever else I have to learn. I don't want to, but I sure wish I'd known I had no choice back when I first jumped in. Brook ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Josh Leo's site
I feel your pain. There are many things I love about WordPress but I don't have the time to learn CSS right now and I don't want to spend the money on customizing. For my blog I bought some templates. They work OK. For French Maid TV's web site I learned iWeb. I wish I could combine the ease of design that iWeb has with the publishing and RSS power of WordPress. It would be awesome if I could design sites in iWeb and make them work in WordPress but then I want an electric car for under $20K and Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny as well. At least I'm allowed to dream. ;) Tim Street 1timstr...@gmail.com http://1timstreet.com/blog http://twitter.com/1timstreet On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:26 AM, Brook Hinton wrote: To be fair, Wordpress, along with other blog and CMS solutions, is hyped all over the place as being easy and requiring no knowledge of much of anything. Unless you're happy with one of the simpler free templates and never upgrade, it isn't true, but there are reasons some of us less geek- smart folks jumped to it, even if they turned out to be bad reasons. When I contemplated moving from typepad to wordpress I was told by so many people: If you can use typepad you can use wordpress, and migrating is easy There are so many good templates you won't need to code anything, even for that video stuff you want to do. Because it has pages you can replace your whole web site without needing to code anything. It's perfect for you, you won't have to pay someone to set up what you want to do. WIth the exception of the migrating of data, which was easy, none of it was true. Etc etc etc etc etc etc. WIth the exception of the migrating of data, which was indeed easy, none of it was true. All from people who used it, knew how to code but who also knew that I could barely cut and paste my way through editing some simple html. So many of us are NOT the same people that buy a car and expect to never have to change the oil in it. We just bought the hype that no oil was necessary to begin with. A little googling reveals the same stuff now being hyped about CMS like Drupal and Joomla. So since I'm not in a position to pay anyone to do these things for me, I'm learning CSS and whatever else I have to learn. I don't want to, but I sure wish I'd known I had no choice back when I first jumped in. Brook ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Josh Leo's site
Indeed. Wordpress is a popular target for attack because it is widely installed, often by people who lack the resources to keep on top of maintenance. I think wordpress and others have tried to improve ease of updating, but if you customise your site there are often annoying complications. I often wish I had more faith in web 2.0 hosted services that manage these things for me, but the different insecurities and inflexibility that these bring make me hesitant to use them. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jacek Artymiak jacekartym...@... wrote: On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-...@... wrote: Sad to hear. :( I'm assuming he was running wordpress? I've seen way to many wordpress blogs hacked. The problem is just maintence, you have to keep wordpress constantly up to date to patch security holes. If you don't it will inevitably get hacked. Same goes for all server side open source. You are being naive, Mike. It has nothing to do with the software being open or closed source. Maintenance is not a problem, it is what you have to do.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Josh Leo's site
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-...@mmeiser.com wrote: Sad to hear. :( I'm assuming he was running wordpress? I've seen way to many wordpress blogs hacked. The problem is just maintence, you have to keep wordpress constantly up to date to patch security holes. If you don't it will inevitably get hacked. Same goes for all server side open source. You are being naive, Mike. It has nothing to do with the software being open or closed source. Maintenance is not a problem, it is what you have to do. Maintenance and backups. Make sure you backup your site every time you post a new episode of your show. Here's a good piece of information on how to make backups of your MySQL database via phpMyAdmin. http://www.siteground.com/tutorials/php-mysql/mysql_export.htm Many times I've wanted to redo my blogger.com blog in wordpress, indeed wordpress is simply better, but the truth is blogger.com is virtually hack proof since there's absolutely no server side code running. It's all handled Oh, boy. Where do we begin? blogger.com does run server-side code. A weak password is platform-independent. Sftp does not prevent hackers from getting at your blog, because there are other ways. Passwords: sftp protects them in transit, but there are other ways of getting in, like dictionary attacks. A weak password will let the bad guys in no matter what tools you use. A colleague of mine had her Google account hacked a couple of weeks ago. The reason was a weak password. Google account are used to authenticate the users of Blogger. Here's another story of a password being hijacked using another method: http://www.davidairey.com/google-gmail-security-hijack/ Buffer overflows: will help the hackers get at a site without breaking in via FTP. Sometimes posting a carefully crafted piece of code in a comment form will be all that's required to pull the pants off your site's butt. XSS: can be used to hijack passwords/user information. SQL injection: a skilled hacker can delete your database without breaking into your account, if the code does not do extensive checks. All he/she has to do is send SQL commands to delete your database. They don't need to know the username/password, because the blogging software that communicates with the database behind your blog already knows both... the database trusts the software and deletes your data. It's beautifully simple if the blogging software doesn't clean the data it passes to the database. And let's not forget those nice Web 2.0/Java things and plug-ins. The more of that crap you put on your site, the higher the likelihood of someone finding a way to break into it. by blogger.com and written to the server via sftp. I've really come to appreciate this rock solid security and ZERO maintenance, and to be honest it's the primary reason I simply recommend blogger over wordpress to anyone who wants to self host on their own domain. The exception being if they're a developer and already running code on their server, in which case they're probably aware enough of the maintenance issues to run wordpress. Lately I've been doing a lot of work in the bike industry and it seems the entire industry from shop owners, to racers to bike makers runs almost exclusively on a blogspot hosted ecosystem. It simply works. I'm sorry Mike, but I wouldn't go to the bike industry for security advice. Using SFTP is good higene, but it is not a replacement for a vaccine. P.S. a good auto-backup system or version control system for your blog is a MUST if you run wordpress. A lot of hosting providers include this stock. Off-site backup is a better solution. If it means burning a DVD with a backup of your database and all files and taking it to a safe place, so be it. -- Jacek Artymiak http://devGuide.net Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=50168432081 Twitter: http://twitter.com/devguide RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/devguide-net Our latest book: Mastering OpenOffice.org Calc http://www.devguide.net/books/moooc1 vi(1) Tips: Essential vi/vim Editor Skills, 1st ed. http://www.devguide.net/books/vitips1 [ sent from my MacBook Wheel ]
[videoblogging] Re: Josh Leo's site
Wellit could also be that sometimes with an update to Wordpress...not everything works right, plugin's that worked before suddenly do not, or some random combination of things cause an issue...so it's not just as simple as keeping the site up to date with the current software So it's not always so simple Heath http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo- c...@... wrote: To use your car analogy most people simply take it to the dealer for maintence. There is no dealer for self hosting. Dreamhost nor any other provide that sort of support. That type of structure does not exist. Most people are not technically literate enough to manage the constant stream of upgrades. I myself while technically capable, cut a hard edge on maintence issues. If I go on vacation for a month, I simply don't want to worry about it. And a month of ignoring it is all it takes... now multiply that by the rest of your life. Most people underestimate how much the long term maintence costs are while underestimating their own capactity to handle that constant maintence. These people should simply NOT be self hosting... unless they use blogger.com which requires no maintence. It's that simple. -Mike On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:41 PM, David Howell taoofda...@... wrote: I'm sorry but the Wordpress site owners that are having their sites hacked are the same people that buy a car and expect to never have to change the oil in it. Running a self-hosted site means being able to manage one as well. If you don't want to manage it, then you use sites like Blogger. Blogger is great for that. No frills. No muss. No fuss. No extras. If you dont want to manage it yourself, you hire people like me that will not only design and build it but manage it as well. If you want to do it all yourself, please read the manual, secure it and keep it up do date with patches. Your unsecured site causes problems for everyone. If you dont change the oil in your car, dont cry when it's eventually sitting dead on the side of the road. David Howell http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: Sad to hear. :( I'm assuming he was running wordpress? I've seen way to many wordpress blogs hacked. The problem is just maintence, you have to keep wordpress constantly up to date to patch security holes. If you don't it will inevitably get hacked. Same goes for all server side open source. Many times I've wanted to redo my blogger.com blog in wordpress, indeed wordpress is simply better, but the truth is blogger.com is virtually hack proof since there's absolutely no server side code running. It's all handled by blogger.com and written to the server via sftp. I've really come to appreciate this rock solid security and ZERO maintenance, and to be honest it's the primary reason I simply recommend blogger over wordpress to anyone who wants to self host on their own domain. The exception being if they're a developer and already running code on their server, in which case they're probably aware enough of the maintenance issues to run wordpress. Lately I've been doing a lot of work in the bike industry and it seems the entire industry from shop owners, to racers to bike makers runs almost exclusively on a blogspot hosted ecosystem. It simply works. P.S. a good auto-backup system or version control system for your blog is a MUST if you run wordpress. A lot of hosting providers include this stock. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog flickr.com/photos/mmeiser2 On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: Looking back a page or 2 on his twitter history, I think the site got hacked. http://twitter.com/joshleo Cheers Steve --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David King davidleeking@ wrote: Anyone know what happened to josh Leo's site (joshleo.com)? It looks like it is gone ... I really like his videos! Just curious Sent from my iPhone Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Josh Leo's site
when I created my wordpress site, I created a mirror site on wordpress.com and I cross post everything there as well...so if something does happen, I have a backup to work with in addtion to the other backups I do.I'm anal. Heath http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David King davidleek...@... wrote: My web hoster actually does most of that for me (the backups, rollbacks, etc). I do my own updates to wordpress, customizations, etc - but they do everything else. But then, it's a small, service-oriented web hoster shop primarly for library-related blogs and websites (how's that for a niche market?). If I have a server type question or prob, I just email or IM and it gets fixed, pronto. I'm very spoiled. David Lee King davidleeking.com - blog davidleeking.com/etc - videoblog twitter | skype: davidleeking On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo- c...@...wrote: Sorry Markus, Everyone fears coming home from vacation to find their website burned down. Maybe you can hire a website security company, buy some website insurance or find a website sitter. Seriously though, analogies are not only fun, but how's the following for a business idea. A company that you give FTP or sFTP access to your website. It not only backs up everything, and tracks every single change through a web based versioning control system, but can automatic roll back and even flags malicious changes. Make it general consumer friendly. Give it a nice web 2.0 interface. Sell it to self hosters regardless of whom they're hosting with as insurance, security, and backup. This not only can be a transparent service instead of bogging down would be DIY types with the need to buy your designs or run their workflow through you or use you as a host. But it will let the end user go crazy customizing their code, playing with open source, using whatever host provider they want. Giving them true *fredom to tinker*... now that they now have a saftey net. websaftey.net, it's actually available. Does something similar already exist? Now build on it... add in security analysis... ie. making sure permissions are correct on all your files... i.e. giving you status on wether your software installed on your server is up to date Maybe... if the technical requirements aren't to bad it could even install certain open source packages automatically regardless of hosting provider. What about the ability to switch hosts? Or mirror a website on a different domain with the click of a button? The ability to edit or upgrade or test a service and then roll it to the users main site. Perhaps this webservice could orient the market in a different way. Perhaps it could focus on a particular niche say video, customizing it's services for videobloggers...i.e installing wordpress themes vPip, etc. At it's core the backup and versioning is more then enough to sell to every web2.0 person out there for $5 - $10 a month and make mondo money, but the possibilities on where it can go from there are endless. The key is you're doing the same thing to hosting providers as so caled web2.0 services like gmail have done to Outlook, Eudora and other email desktop clients. You're moving key services from the hosting providers into the cloud as services and thus reducing the dependancy on hosting companies proprietary features. In a sense your comoditizing the hosting provider the way the web is commoditizing the Microsoft OS, Microsoft Office, Outlook, Word, Excell, etc. You could go on to make this a gateway and a security net for not so tech savy people so they can try out open source packages regardless of different hosting providers. Perhaps one day... if you base this webservice on open source and work on building standards everyone from drupal to wordpress will work toward you to create a sort of web based package manager for the internet. In this way your webservice might install software cleanly onto any host that uses a standardized linux install base. Thus you created an ecosystem. An new sort of API by which hosting providers can interact with webservices. This package manager for the internet, would be like the package managers used on desktop linux, but instead of installing software on your desktop they'd install it on your website... think CMS, wikis, blogs and more. Perhaps even custom videoblogging solutions such as themes, vPIP, etc. The internet is after all the new desktop. The desktop computer for many is just a dummy terminal you use to access the internet. Hence the rise of the netbook. The internet is where your email is, where your photoalbum/editor are, where your write and where you publish. So why not think of the domain, your website, as
[videoblogging] Re: Josh Leo's site
Looking back a page or 2 on his twitter history, I think the site got hacked. http://twitter.com/joshleo Cheers Steve --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David King davidleek...@... wrote: Anyone know what happened to josh Leo's site (joshleo.com)? It looks like it is gone ... I really like his videos! Just curious Sent from my iPhone
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Josh Leo's site
Sad to hear. :( I'm assuming he was running wordpress? I've seen way to many wordpress blogs hacked. The problem is just maintence, you have to keep wordpress constantly up to date to patch security holes. If you don't it will inevitably get hacked. Same goes for all server side open source. Many times I've wanted to redo my blogger.com blog in wordpress, indeed wordpress is simply better, but the truth is blogger.com is virtually hack proof since there's absolutely no server side code running. It's all handled by blogger.com and written to the server via sftp. I've really come to appreciate this rock solid security and ZERO maintenance, and to be honest it's the primary reason I simply recommend blogger over wordpress to anyone who wants to self host on their own domain. The exception being if they're a developer and already running code on their server, in which case they're probably aware enough of the maintenance issues to run wordpress. Lately I've been doing a lot of work in the bike industry and it seems the entire industry from shop owners, to racers to bike makers runs almost exclusively on a blogspot hosted ecosystem. It simply works. P.S. a good auto-backup system or version control system for your blog is a MUST if you run wordpress. A lot of hosting providers include this stock. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog flickr.com/photos/mmeiser2 On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Steve Watkins st...@dvmachine.com wrote: Looking back a page or 2 on his twitter history, I think the site got hacked. http://twitter.com/joshleo Cheers Steve --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David King davidleek...@... wrote: Anyone know what happened to josh Leo's site (joshleo.com)? It looks like it is gone ... I really like his videos! Just curious Sent from my iPhone Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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On Feb 8, 2009, at 8:42 AM, Mike Meiser wrote: Sad to hear. :( I'm assuming he was running wordpress? I've seen way to many wordpress blogs hacked. The problem is just maintence, you have to keep wordpress constantly up to date to patch security holes. If you don't it will inevitably get hacked. Same goes for all server side open source. hi all, This article focuses on defending the administration area of WordPress and might be useful to some folks here http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/01/26/10-steps-to-protect-the-admin-area-in-wordpress/ or http://is.gd/hirn regards, markus [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Yep - bigtime bummer! And agreed with wordpress. About half their updates are because of security fixes. That said, wordpress simply rocks as a self hosted blog platform - I love it. Hope he doesn't have too much trouble sorting through the mess Sent from my iPhone On Feb 8, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo- c...@mmeiser.com wrote: Sad to hear. :( I'm assuming he was running wordpress? I've seen way to many wordpress blogs hacked. The problem is just maintence, you have to keep wordpress constantly up to date to patch security holes. If you don't it will inevitably get hacked. Same goes for all server side open source. Many times I've wanted to redo my blogger.com blog in wordpress, indeed wordpress is simply better, but the truth is blogger.com is virtually hack proof since there's absolutely no server side code running. It's all handled by blogger.com and written to the server via sftp. I've really come to appreciate this rock solid security and ZERO maintenance, and to be honest it's the primary reason I simply recommend blogger over wordpress to anyone who wants to self host on their own domain. The exception being if they're a developer and already running code on their server, in which case they're probably aware enough of the maintenance issues to run wordpress. Lately I've been doing a lot of work in the bike industry and it seems the entire industry from shop owners, to racers to bike makers runs almost exclusively on a blogspot hosted ecosystem. It simply works. P.S. a good auto-backup system or version control system for your blog is a MUST if you run wordpress. A lot of hosting providers include this stock. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog flickr.com/photos/mmeiser2 On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Steve Watkins st...@dvmachine.com wrote: Looking back a page or 2 on his twitter history, I think the site got hacked. http://twitter.com/joshleo Cheers Steve --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David King davidleek...@... wrote: Anyone know what happened to josh Leo's site (joshleo.com)? It looks like it is gone ... I really like his videos! Just curious Sent from my iPhone Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
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To use your car analogy most people simply take it to the dealer for maintence. There is no dealer for self hosting. Dreamhost nor any other provide that sort of support. That type of structure does not exist. Most people are not technically literate enough to manage the constant stream of upgrades. I myself while technically capable, cut a hard edge on maintence issues. If I go on vacation for a month, I simply don't want to worry about it. And a month of ignoring it is all it takes... now multiply that by the rest of your life. Most people underestimate how much the long term maintence costs are while underestimating their own capactity to handle that constant maintence. These people should simply NOT be self hosting... unless they use blogger.com which requires no maintence. It's that simple. -Mike On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:41 PM, David Howell taoofda...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry but the Wordpress site owners that are having their sites hacked are the same people that buy a car and expect to never have to change the oil in it. Running a self-hosted site means being able to manage one as well. If you don't want to manage it, then you use sites like Blogger. Blogger is great for that. No frills. No muss. No fuss. No extras. If you dont want to manage it yourself, you hire people like me that will not only design and build it but manage it as well. If you want to do it all yourself, please read the manual, secure it and keep it up do date with patches. Your unsecured site causes problems for everyone. If you dont change the oil in your car, dont cry when it's eventually sitting dead on the side of the road. David Howell http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-...@... wrote: Sad to hear. :( I'm assuming he was running wordpress? I've seen way to many wordpress blogs hacked. The problem is just maintence, you have to keep wordpress constantly up to date to patch security holes. If you don't it will inevitably get hacked. Same goes for all server side open source. Many times I've wanted to redo my blogger.com blog in wordpress, indeed wordpress is simply better, but the truth is blogger.com is virtually hack proof since there's absolutely no server side code running. It's all handled by blogger.com and written to the server via sftp. I've really come to appreciate this rock solid security and ZERO maintenance, and to be honest it's the primary reason I simply recommend blogger over wordpress to anyone who wants to self host on their own domain. The exception being if they're a developer and already running code on their server, in which case they're probably aware enough of the maintenance issues to run wordpress. Lately I've been doing a lot of work in the bike industry and it seems the entire industry from shop owners, to racers to bike makers runs almost exclusively on a blogspot hosted ecosystem. It simply works. P.S. a good auto-backup system or version control system for your blog is a MUST if you run wordpress. A lot of hosting providers include this stock. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog flickr.com/photos/mmeiser2 On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Steve Watkins st...@... wrote: Looking back a page or 2 on his twitter history, I think the site got hacked. http://twitter.com/joshleo Cheers Steve --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David King davidleeking@ wrote: Anyone know what happened to josh Leo's site (joshleo.com)? It looks like it is gone ... I really like his videos! Just curious Sent from my iPhone Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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MIke? Why did you have to say that? Now I want to go on vacation for a month. ;-) Tim Street 1timstr...@gmail.com http://1timstreet.com/blog http://twitter.com/1timstreet On Feb 8, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Mike Meiser wrote: To use your car analogy most people simply take it to the dealer for maintence. There is no dealer for self hosting. Dreamhost nor any other provide that sort of support. That type of structure does not exist. Most people are not technically literate enough to manage the constant stream of upgrades. I myself while technically capable, cut a hard edge on maintence issues. If I go on vacation for a month, I simply don't want to worry about it. And a month of ignoring it is all it takes... now multiply that by the rest of your life. Most people underestimate how much the long term maintence costs are while underestimating their own capactity to handle that constant maintence. These people should simply NOT be self hosting... unless they use blogger.com which requires no maintence. It's that simple. -Mike On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:41 PM, David Howell taoofda...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry but the Wordpress site owners that are having their sites hacked are the same people that buy a car and expect to never have to change the oil in it. Running a self-hosted site means being able to manage one as well. If you don't want to manage it, then you use sites like Blogger. Blogger is great for that. No frills. No muss. No fuss. No extras. If you dont want to manage it yourself, you hire people like me that will not only design and build it but manage it as well. If you want to do it all yourself, please read the manual, secure it and keep it up do date with patches. Your unsecured site causes problems for everyone. If you dont change the oil in your car, dont cry when it's eventually sitting dead on the side of the road. David Howell http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-...@... wrote: Sad to hear. :( I'm assuming he was running wordpress? I've seen way to many wordpress blogs hacked. The problem is just maintence, you have to keep wordpress constantly up to date to patch security holes. If you don't it will inevitably get hacked. Same goes for all server side open source. Many times I've wanted to redo my blogger.com blog in wordpress, indeed wordpress is simply better, but the truth is blogger.com is virtually hack proof since there's absolutely no server side code running. It's all handled by blogger.com and written to the server via sftp. I've really come to appreciate this rock solid security and ZERO maintenance, and to be honest it's the primary reason I simply recommend blogger over wordpress to anyone who wants to self host on their own domain. The exception being if they're a developer and already running code on their server, in which case they're probably aware enough of the maintenance issues to run wordpress. Lately I've been doing a lot of work in the bike industry and it seems the entire industry from shop owners, to racers to bike makers runs almost exclusively on a blogspot hosted ecosystem. It simply works. P.S. a good auto-backup system or version control system for your blog is a MUST if you run wordpress. A lot of hosting providers include this stock. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog flickr.com/photos/mmeiser2 On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Steve Watkins st...@... wrote: Looking back a page or 2 on his twitter history, I think the site got hacked. http://twitter.com/joshleo Cheers Steve --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David King davidleeking@ wrote: Anyone know what happened to josh Leo's site (joshleo.com)? It looks like it is gone ... I really like his videos! Just curious Sent from my iPhone Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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On Feb 8, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Mike Meiser wrote: To use your car analogy most people simply take it to the dealer for maintence. Hey Meiserman! We had a discussion about Planning your next social media site at the Super Happy Vlog House yesterday. The people in the room ranged from professional web developers to website newbies. A few points may be of interest here in the VB group: 1. One of the questions that came up was 'how many copies of your site do you maintain? The pros generally said at least two, staging and the live site. Most also have dev sandboxes (throwaway copies of site,files and database). More than a backup, this is a place to test all upgrades and changes before applying to (or swapping with) live site. More work and complexity, but less risk (so maybe not more work after all ;) ) Like David said, you gotta do it (or get a pro), otherwise you are working without a net. 2. Two of the people who attended SHVH have recently started a biz service providing complete video site solutions by offering WP-based packages. I think we will see a lot more of this. Wordpress and Drupal based products and services. New customer fills out a form for what they want. Pick from $999, $1299 or $1999 packages and options. Then work directly with the a desginer on look within very well defined limits imposed by a specific WP theme framework. Sites turned around quickly (e.g., less than a day). Packages for monthly hosting and services in the $19-$49/month range. These guys will even supply aggregated content feeds for your site to add to your content. Backups, SEO (including posts to major sites like Facebook), newsletter, press release, the works. Not for everyone here, but I suspect they will be very successful, especially with small businesses with little or no tech resources and budgets. Also a question for everyone: Someone mentioned Episodic at the meetup. Has anyone used it since they were just a flash to ipod transcoding startup service? There were a few posts here last summer about the service (Noam are you still here?). Looks like it's grown up quite a bit. I'm waiting for a beta account. Looks like a competitor to Brightcove, Ooyala, thePlatform, etc., but with more features and nice looking UI. Perhaps this is another way to go? http://episodic.com Markus [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Sorry Markus, Everyone fears coming home from vacation to find their website burned down. Maybe you can hire a website security company, buy some website insurance or find a website sitter. Seriously though, analogies are not only fun, but how's the following for a business idea. A company that you give FTP or sFTP access to your website. It not only backs up everything, and tracks every single change through a web based versioning control system, but can automatic roll back and even flags malicious changes. Make it general consumer friendly. Give it a nice web 2.0 interface. Sell it to self hosters regardless of whom they're hosting with as insurance, security, and backup. This not only can be a transparent service instead of bogging down would be DIY types with the need to buy your designs or run their workflow through you or use you as a host. But it will let the end user go crazy customizing their code, playing with open source, using whatever host provider they want. Giving them true *fredom to tinker*... now that they now have a saftey net. websaftey.net, it's actually available. Does something similar already exist? Now build on it... add in security analysis... ie. making sure permissions are correct on all your files... i.e. giving you status on wether your software installed on your server is up to date Maybe... if the technical requirements aren't to bad it could even install certain open source packages automatically regardless of hosting provider. What about the ability to switch hosts? Or mirror a website on a different domain with the click of a button? The ability to edit or upgrade or test a service and then roll it to the users main site. Perhaps this webservice could orient the market in a different way. Perhaps it could focus on a particular niche say video, customizing it's services for videobloggers...i.e installing wordpress themes vPip, etc. At it's core the backup and versioning is more then enough to sell to every web2.0 person out there for $5 - $10 a month and make mondo money, but the possibilities on where it can go from there are endless. The key is you're doing the same thing to hosting providers as so caled web2.0 services like gmail have done to Outlook, Eudora and other email desktop clients. You're moving key services from the hosting providers into the cloud as services and thus reducing the dependancy on hosting companies proprietary features. In a sense your comoditizing the hosting provider the way the web is commoditizing the Microsoft OS, Microsoft Office, Outlook, Word, Excell, etc. You could go on to make this a gateway and a security net for not so tech savy people so they can try out open source packages regardless of different hosting providers. Perhaps one day... if you base this webservice on open source and work on building standards everyone from drupal to wordpress will work toward you to create a sort of web based package manager for the internet. In this way your webservice might install software cleanly onto any host that uses a standardized linux install base. Thus you created an ecosystem. An new sort of API by which hosting providers can interact with webservices. This package manager for the internet, would be like the package managers used on desktop linux, but instead of installing software on your desktop they'd install it on your website... think CMS, wikis, blogs and more. Perhaps even custom videoblogging solutions such as themes, vPIP, etc. The internet is after all the new desktop. The desktop computer for many is just a dummy terminal you use to access the internet. Hence the rise of the netbook. The internet is where your email is, where your photoalbum/editor are, where your write and where you publish. So why not think of the domain, your website, as the new desktop. Using this metaphor, what other services could be stripped off of the hosting provider? You could possibly even avoid the problems inherent with running server side code on joeblowsblog.com buy creating an ultra secure option where all the code is run on this new webservice (similar to what blogger.com does) and only static html and files live on joeblow's domain. You could run this whole service through Amazon S3's hosting and computing cloud so it scales like the devil, and only charge the user for that processing and hosting that they require. If such web 2.0 type service could handle the domain management and subdomain it could assign a subdomain to itself, i.e. code.joeblowsblog.comto run, manage, and update joe blow's code securely while leaving only static code (HTML, images, movie files) on joeblowsblog.com. In this way such a service could avoid the pitfalls of setting up different open source packages on different hosting providers whom may be using anything from Microsoft, to Debian to unix. Though perhaps if done in open source you could forge relationships with hosting providers that use standardized open source
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My web hoster actually does most of that for me (the backups, rollbacks, etc). I do my own updates to wordpress, customizations, etc - but they do everything else. But then, it's a small, service-oriented web hoster shop primarly for library-related blogs and websites (how's that for a niche market?). If I have a server type question or prob, I just email or IM and it gets fixed, pronto. I'm very spoiled. David Lee King davidleeking.com - blog davidleeking.com/etc - videoblog twitter | skype: davidleeking On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-...@mmeiser.comwrote: Sorry Markus, Everyone fears coming home from vacation to find their website burned down. Maybe you can hire a website security company, buy some website insurance or find a website sitter. Seriously though, analogies are not only fun, but how's the following for a business idea. A company that you give FTP or sFTP access to your website. It not only backs up everything, and tracks every single change through a web based versioning control system, but can automatic roll back and even flags malicious changes. Make it general consumer friendly. Give it a nice web 2.0 interface. Sell it to self hosters regardless of whom they're hosting with as insurance, security, and backup. This not only can be a transparent service instead of bogging down would be DIY types with the need to buy your designs or run their workflow through you or use you as a host. But it will let the end user go crazy customizing their code, playing with open source, using whatever host provider they want. Giving them true *fredom to tinker*... now that they now have a saftey net. websaftey.net, it's actually available. Does something similar already exist? Now build on it... add in security analysis... ie. making sure permissions are correct on all your files... i.e. giving you status on wether your software installed on your server is up to date Maybe... if the technical requirements aren't to bad it could even install certain open source packages automatically regardless of hosting provider. What about the ability to switch hosts? Or mirror a website on a different domain with the click of a button? The ability to edit or upgrade or test a service and then roll it to the users main site. Perhaps this webservice could orient the market in a different way. Perhaps it could focus on a particular niche say video, customizing it's services for videobloggers...i.e installing wordpress themes vPip, etc. At it's core the backup and versioning is more then enough to sell to every web2.0 person out there for $5 - $10 a month and make mondo money, but the possibilities on where it can go from there are endless. The key is you're doing the same thing to hosting providers as so caled web2.0 services like gmail have done to Outlook, Eudora and other email desktop clients. You're moving key services from the hosting providers into the cloud as services and thus reducing the dependancy on hosting companies proprietary features. In a sense your comoditizing the hosting provider the way the web is commoditizing the Microsoft OS, Microsoft Office, Outlook, Word, Excell, etc. You could go on to make this a gateway and a security net for not so tech savy people so they can try out open source packages regardless of different hosting providers. Perhaps one day... if you base this webservice on open source and work on building standards everyone from drupal to wordpress will work toward you to create a sort of web based package manager for the internet. In this way your webservice might install software cleanly onto any host that uses a standardized linux install base. Thus you created an ecosystem. An new sort of API by which hosting providers can interact with webservices. This package manager for the internet, would be like the package managers used on desktop linux, but instead of installing software on your desktop they'd install it on your website... think CMS, wikis, blogs and more. Perhaps even custom videoblogging solutions such as themes, vPIP, etc. The internet is after all the new desktop. The desktop computer for many is just a dummy terminal you use to access the internet. Hence the rise of the netbook. The internet is where your email is, where your photoalbum/editor are, where your write and where you publish. So why not think of the domain, your website, as the new desktop. Using this metaphor, what other services could be stripped off of the hosting provider? You could possibly even avoid the problems inherent with running server side code on joeblowsblog.com buy creating an ultra secure option where all the code is run on this new webservice (similar to what blogger.com does) and only static html and files live on joeblow's domain. You could run this whole service through Amazon S3's hosting and computing cloud so it scales like the
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My host is... my friends own a server. I've removed plone, media wiki and eveyrthing else from my site precisely do what we're talking about here. Maintence and security hassles far outweigh their utility. No server side code runs on my domain. My backup is a) blogger.com contains all the CSS and blog posts b) I back it up every once and a while via sFTP to be sure to get images and other media files I've uploaded And yes, David, you're way spoiled for hosting, and so am I. I'd suspect the average person uses Dreamhost or like and has little / no support. I guess I could bug my friend about server issues, but I did away with the server side code because I value spending our time discussing linux, open source, gaming and generally geeking out. I guess you might say like to play with it, love it for work, but I'm very careful with what I depend on for my own personal use because I have a strict zero maintence philosphy. Probably why my primary work computer is mac though 90% of my software is open source and I spend all day reading up on and playing with working with/on Ubuntu / KDE / Gnome. (all day being a VERY relative thing :) Peace, -Mike On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:27 PM, David King davidleek...@gmail.com wrote: My web hoster actually does most of that for me (the backups, rollbacks, etc). I do my own updates to wordpress, customizations, etc - but they do everything else. But then, it's a small, service-oriented web hoster shop primarly for library-related blogs and websites (how's that for a niche market?). If I have a server type question or prob, I just email or IM and it gets fixed, pronto. I'm very spoiled. David Lee King davidleeking.com - blog davidleeking.com/etc - videoblog twitter | skype: davidleeking On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-...@mmeiser.com wrote: Sorry Markus, Everyone fears coming home from vacation to find their website burned down. Maybe you can hire a website security company, buy some website insurance or find a website sitter. Seriously though, analogies are not only fun, but how's the following for a business idea. A company that you give FTP or sFTP access to your website. It not only backs up everything, and tracks every single change through a web based versioning control system, but can automatic roll back and even flags malicious changes. Make it general consumer friendly. Give it a nice web 2.0 interface. Sell it to self hosters regardless of whom they're hosting with as insurance, security, and backup. This not only can be a transparent service instead of bogging down would be DIY types with the need to buy your designs or run their workflow through you or use you as a host. But it will let the end user go crazy customizing their code, playing with open source, using whatever host provider they want. Giving them true *fredom to tinker*... now that they now have a saftey net. websaftey.net, it's actually available. Does something similar already exist? Now build on it... add in security analysis... ie. making sure permissions are correct on all your files... i.e. giving you status on wether your software installed on your server is up to date Maybe... if the technical requirements aren't to bad it could even install certain open source packages automatically regardless of hosting provider. What about the ability to switch hosts? Or mirror a website on a different domain with the click of a button? The ability to edit or upgrade or test a service and then roll it to the users main site. Perhaps this webservice could orient the market in a different way. Perhaps it could focus on a particular niche say video, customizing it's services for videobloggers...i.e installing wordpress themes vPip, etc. At it's core the backup and versioning is more then enough to sell to every web2.0 person out there for $5 - $10 a month and make mondo money, but the possibilities on where it can go from there are endless. The key is you're doing the same thing to hosting providers as so caled web2.0 services like gmail have done to Outlook, Eudora and other email desktop clients. You're moving key services from the hosting providers into the cloud as services and thus reducing the dependancy on hosting companies proprietary features. In a sense your comoditizing the hosting provider the way the web is commoditizing the Microsoft OS, Microsoft Office, Outlook, Word, Excell, etc. You could go on to make this a gateway and a security net for not so tech savy people so they can try out open source packages regardless of different hosting providers. Perhaps one day... if you base this webservice on open source and work on building standards everyone from drupal to wordpress will work toward you to create a sort of web based package manager for the internet.
