[videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question
Andrew, just go back, sign up with Veoh and be done with it. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shut up? Thanks for the great advise Josh. The point of the matter is that David last said this: Uhhh...Gumby isnt public domain. and he also said this: It looks like Veoh and their promise to rid their site of copyrighted material was rather empty. These statements are false. Let it be known people on the videoblogging list that these statements are not true. If I dont speak up, no one else will. On Apr 24, 2006, at 1:37 AM, Josh Leo wrote: what the heck is going on here... both of you shut up and start talking about the issue at hand here... put your ego's aside and have beneficial discussion,., On 4/24/06, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Way to stay off-topic and avoid your dishonest and false statements. None of it is your fault per say, and I assume you can't help it, but I only addressed you to let you know that you were wrong. On Apr 24, 2006, at 1:19 AM, David Howell wrote: Oh Andrew...please feel free to get your stubby little fingers typing away then. Rather than write back to me though, address whatever it is you have to say to the owners of the Gumby copyright. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron andrew@ wrote: David, I could add a pretty long rant about knee jerking responses but I'll just suck it up and get right to the point: Copyrights and trademarks can expire, lapse or be changed for a number of reasons. I have found that in fact there are several Gumby cartoons that are a part of the public domain. Here are a few: http://tinyurl.com/p283s On Apr 23, 2006, at 9:45 PM, David Howell wrote: Uhhh...Gumby isnt public domain. The little guy is far from that. http://www.gumbyworld.com/copy.htm It looks like Veoh and their promise to rid their site of copyrighted material was rather empty. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, WWWhatsup joly@ wrote: I don't know if that's true that Gumby is public domain - it's 60's right? However if stuff is in the public domain, yes one is free to make any kind of derivative work, and then even copyright that work. Hence the development of such animals as the GPL in order to ensure that 'free' works can only be spawned into further 'free' works. joly At 03:24 PM 4/22/2006, you wrote: I noticed on Veoh, they have a complete Gumby video on the home page in the 'featured videos' section. http://veoh.comhttp://veoh.com/ I assume the particular Gumby video http://tinyurl.com/jruf7http://tinyurl.com/jruf7 is public domain because Michael Eisner is featuring it, along with a couple of complete Superman videos that I have seen tagged as public domain on the Archive before. Since I am then allowed to use the public domain video of Gumby to create or recreate my own work, or version, wouldn't that mean that I may also freely refashion Gumby for a contemporary world? In otherwords, if I am able use the video myself to make my own video, I would make a new Gumby out of the old Gumby. I would use the music in the video, mash the likeness, reshape him a bit physically speaking, but would especially make his psyche much different; he would do and say different kinds of things and have different body behaviors, for instance. I might have some plans to add a couple of permeant deformations to his walk and give his a few classic behavioral problems, for instance. Gumby himself could change and evolve instead of be trapped in time, the way he is now. Perhaps I could give the new Gumby away for free and encourage others to take him and develop him. Gumby could be reborn into a global star! Would I be allowed to do all of the above with my public domain Gumby without getting into trouble with the Gumby trademark and other later, non-public domain Gumby stuff claimed to be owned entirely by a private entity? http://tinyurl.com/mgu4qhttp://tinyurl.com/mgu4q I would assume that somehow, I would not be able to reshape Gumby, even if I did it all with the materials that I got from the public domain Gumby video. Surely, there is a conflict here and I would assume there is a simple answer that has already been worked out legally. Does anyone know what that would be? -- --- WWWhatsup NYC http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com ---
[videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question
Hi Andrew, it's too bad your email query didn't get more thoughtful responses here. I suspect it's because it's largely a legal question, and most of us aren't lawyers. Be that as it may ... You're right: varioius early versions of Gumby are indeed in the public domain. Here are 8 PD gumby cartoons: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002VKLQK/103-5161085-4495048?v=glancen=130 To your larger question about creating derivative works: I'm no attorney, but my understanding is that - you're free to make derivative works from any work in the public domain, including these Gumby cartoons - you could copyright your specific work but not Gumby's likeness, since he has been re-copyrighted. So your scenario of giving away Gumby likely wouldn't work. - trademarks are a whole nuther ball of wax. There are lots of examples of copyrighted works enterting the public domain, and then corporations trying to exercise retroactive claims over the use of such works. They can't. Still, it's a somewhat murky area of the law -- which is what these corporatons are counting on. I wouldn't assume that a simple answer has been worked out -- it's not in their interests to provide clearcut answers. Shall I ask my lawyer friends to weigh in? :~) jd lasica realpeoplenetwork.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:24:02 +0200, JD Lasica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Andrew, it's too bad your email query didn't get more thoughtful responses here. I suspect it's because it's largely a legal question, and most of us aren't lawyers. Be that as it may ... I usually don't mind giving my opinion even though I'm not a lawyer, but when I saw Andrew's email last night the issue struck me as particulary confusing/complex. I don't know what my opinion is. :o) Shall I ask my lawyer friends to weigh in? :~) I'd love to hear what they have to say. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question
We're going to need an extra day at Vloggercon for cage matches. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what the heck is going on here... both of you shut up and start talking about the issue at hand here... put your ego's aside and have beneficial discussion,., YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question/Lime Jello
I can think of at least five matches that I'd totally bet money on. For some I'd like the added fun of a kiddie pool full of lime jello. I can hear it now: Vlogger Smack-Down '06. We'll sell you the whole seat but you'll only need the edge! --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Olsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're going to need an extra day at Vloggercon for cage matches. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo joshleo@ wrote: what the heck is going on here... both of you shut up and start talking about the issue at hand here... put your ego's aside and have beneficial discussion,., SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question/Lime Jello
I hope you'll be betting in my favour, Bekah... I may not be in this debate/smackdown thread but I can always fight on behalf of someone... like Feyd-Rawtha Harkonnen fighting on behalf of the Padishah Emperor in Dune... Casey, ready to kick vlogass. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, missbhavens1969 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can think of at least five matches that I'd totally bet money on. For some I'd like the added fun of a kiddie pool full of lime jello. I can hear it now: Vlogger Smack-Down '06. We'll sell you the whole seat but you'll only need the edge! --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Olsen reallystinkyguy@ wrote: We're going to need an extra day at Vloggercon for cage matches. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo joshleo@ wrote: what the heck is going on here... both of you shut up and start talking about the issue at hand here... put your ego's aside and have beneficial discussion,., YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question
We are not having a problem at all right now, but I always think about this with regards to our theme song that we have adopted, Zoom a Little Zoom. It came from an album called Space Songs with Tom Glazer, a popular 1940's folk musician: http://www.acme.com/jef/singing_science/ Unlike the rest of the albums in the six-LP set produced around the same time, this album experienced a lapse in copyright and for some reason, perhaps accidentally (I think they simply forgot at the time), the album entered into the public domain. Today, as we have adopted the song for Rocketboom, the song seems to be at risk of becoming more associated with Rocketboom than it's original context. We also often use the other songs in the album to tie in our own thematic. Its just something I'm curious about; I wouldn't want to go back and take down or edit out all that music in the future. On Apr 24, 2006, at 3:44 AM, Andreas Haugstrup wrote: On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:24:02 +0200, JD Lasica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Andrew, it's too bad your email query didn't get more thoughtful responses here. I suspect it's because it's largely a legal question, and most of us aren't lawyers. Be that as it may ... I usually don't mind giving my opinion even though I'm not a lawyer, but when I saw Andrew's email last night the issue struck me as particulary confusing/complex. I don't know what my opinion is. :o) Shall I ask my lawyer friends to weigh in? :~) I'd love to hear what they have to say. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question
It's funny because I used a public domain version of Cole Porter's Let's Do It for the end titles of Kitkast and although it sounds like a nice sweet song, it had a few racist slurs that I cut out of the clip I used. The line was: Chinks do it, Japs do it... I was shocked when I first heard it... Rudy and I think it may have fallen in the public domain because of those racist slurs. Casey http://www.kitkast.com/ --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are not having a problem at all right now, but I always think about this with regards to our theme song that we have adopted, Zoom a Little Zoom. It came from an album called Space Songs with Tom Glazer, a popular 1940's folk musician: http://www.acme.com/jef/singing_science/ Unlike the rest of the albums in the six-LP set produced around the same time, this album experienced a lapse in copyright and for some reason, perhaps accidentally (I think they simply forgot at the time), the album entered into the public domain. Today, as we have adopted the song for Rocketboom, the song seems to be at risk of becoming more associated with Rocketboom than it's original context. We also often use the other songs in the album to tie in our own thematic. Its just something I'm curious about; I wouldn't want to go back and take down or edit out all that music in the future. On Apr 24, 2006, at 3:44 AM, Andreas Haugstrup wrote: On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:24:02 +0200, JD Lasica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Andrew, it's too bad your email query didn't get more thoughtful responses here. I suspect it's because it's largely a legal question, and most of us aren't lawyers. Be that as it may ... I usually don't mind giving my opinion even though I'm not a lawyer, but when I saw Andrew's email last night the issue struck me as particulary confusing/complex. I don't know what my opinion is. :o) Shall I ask my lawyer friends to weigh in? :~) I'd love to hear what they have to say. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question
Hello,This is one of the areas when SMIL would be useful.(For those who don't know what SMIL is...) SMIL is a markup language like HTML. But designed with our type of stuff in mind.With it, swap out a song (in SMIL) as easily as you could swap out an image (in HTML).See yaOn 4/24/06, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are not having a problem at all right now, but I always thinkabout this with regards to our theme song that we have adopted, Zooma Little Zoom.It came from an album called Space Songs with Tom Glazer, a popular 1940's folk musician:http://www.acme.com/jef/singing_science/Unlike the rest of the albums in the six-LP set produced around thesame time, this album experienced a lapse in copyright and for some reason, perhaps accidentally (I think they simply forgot at thetime), the album entered into the public domain.Today, as we have adopted the song for Rocketboom, the song seems tobe at risk of becoming more associated with Rocketboom than it's original context. We also often use the other songs in the album totie in our own thematic.Its just something I'm curious about; I wouldn't want to go back andtake down or edit out all that music in the future. On Apr 24, 2006, at 3:44 AM, Andreas Haugstrup wrote: On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:24:02 +0200, JD Lasica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Andrew, it's too bad your email query didn't get more thoughtful responses here. I suspect it's because it's largely a legal question, and most of us aren't lawyers. Be that as it may ... I usually don't mind giving my opinion even though I'm not a lawyer, but when I saw Andrew's email last night the issue struck me as particulary confusing/complex. I don't know what my opinion is. :o) Shall I ask my lawyer friends to weigh in? :~) I'd love to hear what they have to say. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology.-- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. charles @ reptile.casupercanadian @ gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___ Make Televisionhttp://maketelevision.com/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question
On 4/24/06, Casey McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was shocked when I first heard it... Rudy and I think it may have fallen in the public domain because of those racist slurs. Let's Do It is in the public domain? How did you determine that? I wouldn't get too exercised about the lyrics. When originally written, they were probably neutral, at least to white people. Not so long ago, it was acceptable to call black people negroes. As far as I can tell (having listen to a lot of Cole Porter), there are various versions of some songs depending on how they were used, e.g. originally as numbers in a musical, later adapted as stand-alone songs. The line I get no kick from cocaine from I Get a Kick Out of You evidently bothered nobody in the 20s, but was excised from some later versions, then reinstated for the Broadway show Anything Goes in the 1980s. That show itself was kind of a compilation of Porter favorites. -- best regards, Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com (personal) www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question
One [proposal] would, for instance, create a new federal crime of just trying to commit copyright infringement. CHAIRMAN SMITH READIES NEW DIGITAL COPYRIGHT BILL [SOURCE: C-Net|News.com, AUTHOR: Declan McCullagh] For the last few years, a coalition of technology companies, academics and computer programmers has been trying to persuade Congress to scale back the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Now Congress is preparing to do precisely the opposite. A proposed copyright law would expand the DMCA's restrictions on software that can bypass copy protections and grant federal police more wiretapping and enforcement powers. The draft legislation, created by the Bush administration and backed by Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX), already enjoys the support of large copyright holders such as the Recording Industry Association of America. The 24-page bill is a far-reaching medley of different proposals cobbled together. One would, for instance, create a new federal crime of just trying to commit copyright infringement. Such willful attempts at piracy, even if they fail, could be punished by up to 10 years in prison. Rep Smith is the chairman of the U.S. House of Representatives subcommittee that oversees intellectual-property law. Rep Smith's press secretary, Terry Shawn, said Friday that the Intellectual Property Protection Act of 2006 is expected to be introduced in the near future. http://news.com.com/Congress+readies+new+digital+copyright+bill/2100-1028_3-6064016.html?tag=html.alert --- WWWhatsup NYC http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com --- SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question
around the 24/4/06 andrew michael baron mentioned about Re: [videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question that: Unlike the rest of the albums in the six-LP set produced around the same time, this album experienced a lapse in copyright and for some reason, perhaps accidentally (I think they simply forgot at the time), the album entered into the public domain. just to confuse matters more. Because it is public domain in one market does not mean it is the case in others. The Australian Copyright Council has an awesome website, which while obviously about local rules does in most cases provide reasonable guides to elsewhere. It has pdfs on pretty much every possible use of material. URL: http://www.copyright.org.au/ URL; http://www.copyright.org.au/specialinterest/film.htm URL: http://www.copyright.org.au/publications/infosheets.htm YMMV -- cheers Adrian Miles this email is bloggable [ ] ask first [ ] private [x] hypertext.RMIT URL:http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/admin/briefEmail.html SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question
thanks for the links, Adrian! very useful info for everyone.On 4/24/06, Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:around the 24/4/06 andrew michael baron mentioned about Re:[videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question that: Unlike the rest of the albums in the six-LP set produced around thesame time, this album experienced a lapse in copyright and for somereason, perhaps accidentally (I think they simply forgot at the time), the album entered into the public domain.just to confuse matters more. Because it is public domain in onemarket does not mean it is the case in others. The AustralianCopyright Council has an awesome website, which while obviously about local rules does in most cases provide reasonable guides toelsewhere. It has pdfs on pretty much every possible use of material.URL: http://www.copyright.org.au/ URL; http://www.copyright.org.au/specialinterest/film.htm URL: http://www.copyright.org.au/publications/infosheets.htm YMMV--cheersAdrian Milesthis email is bloggable [ ] ask first [ ] private [x]hypertext.RMIT URL:http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/admin/briefEmail.html Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question
Uhhh...Gumby isnt public domain. The little guy is far from that. http://www.gumbyworld.com/copy.htm It looks like Veoh and their promise to rid their site of copyrighted material was rather empty. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, WWWhatsup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if that's true that Gumby is public domain - it's 60's right? However if stuff is in the public domain, yes one is free to make any kind of derivative work, and then even copyright that work. Hence the development of such animals as the GPL in order to ensure that 'free' works can only be spawned into further 'free' works. joly At 03:24 PM 4/22/2006, you wrote: I noticed on Veoh, they have a complete Gumby video on the home page in the 'featured videos' section. http://veoh.comhttp://veoh.com/ I assume the particular Gumby video http://tinyurl.com/jruf7http://tinyurl.com/jruf7 is public domain because Michael Eisner is featuring it, along with a couple of complete Superman videos that I have seen tagged as public domain on the Archive before. Since I am then allowed to use the public domain video of Gumby to create or recreate my own work, or version, wouldn't that mean that I may also freely refashion Gumby for a contemporary world? In otherwords, if I am able use the video myself to make my own video, I would make a new Gumby out of the old Gumby. I would use the music in the video, mash the likeness, reshape him a bit physically speaking, but would especially make his psyche much different; he would do and say different kinds of things and have different body behaviors, for instance. I might have some plans to add a couple of permeant deformations to his walk and give his a few classic behavioral problems, for instance. Gumby himself could change and evolve instead of be trapped in time, the way he is now. Perhaps I could give the new Gumby away for free and encourage others to take him and develop him. Gumby could be reborn into a global star! Would I be allowed to do all of the above with my public domain Gumby without getting into trouble with the Gumby trademark and other later, non-public domain Gumby stuff claimed to be owned entirely by a private entity? http://tinyurl.com/mgu4qhttp://tinyurl.com/mgu4q I would assume that somehow, I would not be able to reshape Gumby, even if I did it all with the materials that I got from the public domain Gumby video. Surely, there is a conflict here and I would assume there is a simple answer that has already been worked out legally. Does anyone know what that would be? -- --- WWWhatsup NYC http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com --- SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question
David, I could add a pretty long rant about knee jerking responses but I'll just suck it up and get right to the point: Copyrights and trademarks can expire, lapse or be changed for a number of reasons. I have found that in fact there are several Gumby cartoons that are a part of the public domain. Here are a few: http://tinyurl.com/p283s On Apr 23, 2006, at 9:45 PM, David Howell wrote: Uhhh...Gumby isnt public domain. The little guy is far from that. http://www.gumbyworld.com/copy.htm It looks like Veoh and their promise to rid their site of copyrighted material was rather empty. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, WWWhatsup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if that's true that Gumby is public domain - it's 60's right? However if stuff is in the public domain, yes one is free to make any kind of derivative work, and then even copyright that work. Hence the development of such animals as the GPL in order to ensure that 'free' works can only be spawned into further 'free' works. joly At 03:24 PM 4/22/2006, you wrote: I noticed on Veoh, they have a complete Gumby video on the home page in the 'featured videos' section. http://veoh.comhttp://veoh.com/ I assume the particular Gumby video http://tinyurl.com/jruf7http://tinyurl.com/jruf7 is public domain because Michael Eisner is featuring it, along with a couple of complete Superman videos that I have seen tagged as public domain on the Archive before. Since I am then allowed to use the public domain video of Gumby to create or recreate my own work, or version, wouldn't that mean that I may also freely refashion Gumby for a contemporary world? In otherwords, if I am able use the video myself to make my own video, I would make a new Gumby out of the old Gumby. I would use the music in the video, mash the likeness, reshape him a bit physically speaking, but would especially make his psyche much different; he would do and say different kinds of things and have different body behaviors, for instance. I might have some plans to add a couple of permeant deformations to his walk and give his a few classic behavioral problems, for instance. Gumby himself could change and evolve instead of be trapped in time, the way he is now. Perhaps I could give the new Gumby away for free and encourage others to take him and develop him. Gumby could be reborn into a global star! Would I be allowed to do all of the above with my public domain Gumby without getting into trouble with the Gumby trademark and other later, non-public domain Gumby stuff claimed to be owned entirely by a private entity? http://tinyurl.com/mgu4qhttp://tinyurl.com/mgu4q I would assume that somehow, I would not be able to reshape Gumby, even if I did it all with the materials that I got from the public domain Gumby video. Surely, there is a conflict here and I would assume there is a simple answer that has already been worked out legally. Does anyone know what that would be? -- --- WWWhatsup NYC http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com --- Yahoo! Groups Links YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question
Oh Andrew...please feel free to get your stubby little fingers typing away then. Rather than write back to me though, address whatever it is you have to say to the owners of the Gumby copyright. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, I could add a pretty long rant about knee jerking responses but I'll just suck it up and get right to the point: Copyrights and trademarks can expire, lapse or be changed for a number of reasons. I have found that in fact there are several Gumby cartoons that are a part of the public domain. Here are a few: http://tinyurl.com/p283s On Apr 23, 2006, at 9:45 PM, David Howell wrote: Uhhh...Gumby isnt public domain. The little guy is far from that. http://www.gumbyworld.com/copy.htm It looks like Veoh and their promise to rid their site of copyrighted material was rather empty. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, WWWhatsup joly@ wrote: I don't know if that's true that Gumby is public domain - it's 60's right? However if stuff is in the public domain, yes one is free to make any kind of derivative work, and then even copyright that work. Hence the development of such animals as the GPL in order to ensure that 'free' works can only be spawned into further 'free' works. joly At 03:24 PM 4/22/2006, you wrote: I noticed on Veoh, they have a complete Gumby video on the home page in the 'featured videos' section. http://veoh.comhttp://veoh.com/ I assume the particular Gumby video http://tinyurl.com/jruf7http://tinyurl.com/jruf7 is public domain because Michael Eisner is featuring it, along with a couple of complete Superman videos that I have seen tagged as public domain on the Archive before. Since I am then allowed to use the public domain video of Gumby to create or recreate my own work, or version, wouldn't that mean that I may also freely refashion Gumby for a contemporary world? In otherwords, if I am able use the video myself to make my own video, I would make a new Gumby out of the old Gumby. I would use the music in the video, mash the likeness, reshape him a bit physically speaking, but would especially make his psyche much different; he would do and say different kinds of things and have different body behaviors, for instance. I might have some plans to add a couple of permeant deformations to his walk and give his a few classic behavioral problems, for instance. Gumby himself could change and evolve instead of be trapped in time, the way he is now. Perhaps I could give the new Gumby away for free and encourage others to take him and develop him. Gumby could be reborn into a global star! Would I be allowed to do all of the above with my public domain Gumby without getting into trouble with the Gumby trademark and other later, non-public domain Gumby stuff claimed to be owned entirely by a private entity? http://tinyurl.com/mgu4qhttp://tinyurl.com/mgu4q I would assume that somehow, I would not be able to reshape Gumby, even if I did it all with the materials that I got from the public domain Gumby video. Surely, there is a conflict here and I would assume there is a simple answer that has already been worked out legally. Does anyone know what that would be? -- --- WWWhatsup NYC http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com --- Yahoo! Groups Links SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question
Way to stay off-topic and avoid your dishonest and false statements. None of it is your fault per say, and I assume you can't help it, but I only addressed you to let you know that you were wrong. On Apr 24, 2006, at 1:19 AM, David Howell wrote: Oh Andrew...please feel free to get your stubby little fingers typing away then. Rather than write back to me though, address whatever it is you have to say to the owners of the Gumby copyright. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, I could add a pretty long rant about knee jerking responses but I'll just suck it up and get right to the point: Copyrights and trademarks can expire, lapse or be changed for a number of reasons. I have found that in fact there are several Gumby cartoons that are a part of the public domain. Here are a few: http://tinyurl.com/p283s On Apr 23, 2006, at 9:45 PM, David Howell wrote: Uhhh...Gumby isnt public domain. The little guy is far from that. http://www.gumbyworld.com/copy.htm It looks like Veoh and their promise to rid their site of copyrighted material was rather empty. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, WWWhatsup joly@ wrote: I don't know if that's true that Gumby is public domain - it's 60's right? However if stuff is in the public domain, yes one is free to make any kind of derivative work, and then even copyright that work. Hence the development of such animals as the GPL in order to ensure that 'free' works can only be spawned into further 'free' works. joly At 03:24 PM 4/22/2006, you wrote: I noticed on Veoh, they have a complete Gumby video on the home page in the 'featured videos' section. http://veoh.comhttp://veoh.com/ I assume the particular Gumby video http://tinyurl.com/jruf7http://tinyurl.com/jruf7 is public domain because Michael Eisner is featuring it, along with a couple of complete Superman videos that I have seen tagged as public domain on the Archive before. Since I am then allowed to use the public domain video of Gumby to create or recreate my own work, or version, wouldn't that mean that I may also freely refashion Gumby for a contemporary world? In otherwords, if I am able use the video myself to make my own video, I would make a new Gumby out of the old Gumby. I would use the music in the video, mash the likeness, reshape him a bit physically speaking, but would especially make his psyche much different; he would do and say different kinds of things and have different body behaviors, for instance. I might have some plans to add a couple of permeant deformations to his walk and give his a few classic behavioral problems, for instance. Gumby himself could change and evolve instead of be trapped in time, the way he is now. Perhaps I could give the new Gumby away for free and encourage others to take him and develop him. Gumby could be reborn into a global star! Would I be allowed to do all of the above with my public domain Gumby without getting into trouble with the Gumby trademark and other later, non-public domain Gumby stuff claimed to be owned entirely by a private entity? http://tinyurl.com/mgu4qhttp://tinyurl.com/mgu4q I would assume that somehow, I would not be able to reshape Gumby, even if I did it all with the materials that I got from the public domain Gumby video. Surely, there is a conflict here and I would assume there is a simple answer that has already been worked out legally. Does anyone know what that would be? -- --- WWWhatsup NYC http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com --- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question
what the heck is going on here... both of you shut up and start talking about the issue at hand here... put your ego's aside and have beneficial discussion,.,On 4/24/06, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Way to stay off-topic and avoid your dishonest and false statements.None of it is your fault per say, and I assume you can't help it, butI only addressed you to let you know that you were wrong.On Apr 24, 2006, at 1:19 AM, David Howell wrote: Oh Andrew...please feel free to get your stubby little fingers typing away then. Rather than write back to me though, address whatever it is you have to say to the owners of the Gumby copyright. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, I could add a pretty long rant about knee jerking responses but I'll just suck it up and get right to the point: Copyrights and trademarks can expire, lapse or be changed for a number of reasons. I have found that in fact there are several Gumby cartoons that are a part of the public domain. Here are a few: http://tinyurl.com/p283s On Apr 23, 2006, at 9:45 PM, David Howell wrote: Uhhh...Gumby isnt public domain. The little guy is far from that. http://www.gumbyworld.com/copy.htm It looks like Veoh and their promise to rid their site of copyrighted material was rather empty. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, WWWhatsup joly@ wrote: I don't know if that's true that Gumby is public domain - it's 60's right? However if stuff is in the public domain, yes one is free to make any kind of derivative work, and then even copyright that work. Hence the development of such animals as the GPL in order to ensure that 'free' works can only be spawned into further 'free' works. joly At 03:24 PM 4/22/2006, you wrote: I noticed on Veoh, they have a complete Gumby video on the home page in the 'featured videos' section. http://veoh.comhttp://veoh.com/ I assume the particular Gumby video http://tinyurl.com/jruf7http://tinyurl.com/jruf7 is public domain because Michael Eisner is featuring it, along with a couple of complete Superman videos that I have seen tagged as public domain on the Archive before. Since I am then allowed to use the public domain video of Gumby to create or recreate my own work, or version, wouldn't that mean that I may also freely refashion Gumby for a contemporary world? In otherwords, if I am able use the video myself to make my own video, I would make a new Gumby out of the old Gumby. I would use the music in the video, mash the likeness, reshape him a bit physically speaking, but would especially make his psyche much different; he would do and say different kinds of things and have different body behaviors, for instance. I might have some plans to add a couple of permeant deformations to his walk and give his a few classic behavioral problems, for instance. Gumby himself could change and evolve instead of be trapped in time, the way he is now. Perhaps I could give the new Gumby away for free and encourage others to take him and develop him. Gumby could be reborn into a global star! Would I be allowed to do all of the above with my public domain Gumby without getting into trouble with the Gumby trademark and other later, non-public domain Gumby stuff claimed to be owned entirely by a private entity? http://tinyurl.com/mgu4qhttp://tinyurl.com/mgu4q I would assume that somehow, I would not be able to reshape Gumby, even if I did it all with the materials that I got from the public domain Gumby video. Surely, there is a conflict here and I would assume there is a simple answer that has already been worked out legally. Does anyone know what that would be? -- ---WWWhatsup NYC http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com --- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups LinksYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question
My dishonest and false statements? I posted a link to a site that says they hold all the copyrights on the Gumby character. Fire off an email to them informing them that they are wrong. Go piss up someone elses tree you little twerp. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Way to stay off-topic and avoid your dishonest and false statements. None of it is your fault per say, and I assume you can't help it, but I only addressed you to let you know that you were wrong. On Apr 24, 2006, at 1:19 AM, David Howell wrote: Oh Andrew...please feel free to get your stubby little fingers typing away then. Rather than write back to me though, address whatever it is you have to say to the owners of the Gumby copyright. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron andrew@ wrote: David, I could add a pretty long rant about knee jerking responses but I'll just suck it up and get right to the point: Copyrights and trademarks can expire, lapse or be changed for a number of reasons. I have found that in fact there are several Gumby cartoons that are a part of the public domain. Here are a few: http://tinyurl.com/p283s On Apr 23, 2006, at 9:45 PM, David Howell wrote: Uhhh...Gumby isnt public domain. The little guy is far from that. http://www.gumbyworld.com/copy.htm It looks like Veoh and their promise to rid their site of copyrighted material was rather empty. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, WWWhatsup joly@ wrote: I don't know if that's true that Gumby is public domain - it's 60's right? However if stuff is in the public domain, yes one is free to make any kind of derivative work, and then even copyright that work. Hence the development of such animals as the GPL in order to ensure that 'free' works can only be spawned into further 'free' works. joly At 03:24 PM 4/22/2006, you wrote: I noticed on Veoh, they have a complete Gumby video on the home page in the 'featured videos' section. http://veoh.comhttp://veoh.com/ I assume the particular Gumby video http://tinyurl.com/jruf7http://tinyurl.com/jruf7 is public domain because Michael Eisner is featuring it, along with a couple of complete Superman videos that I have seen tagged as public domain on the Archive before. Since I am then allowed to use the public domain video of Gumby to create or recreate my own work, or version, wouldn't that mean that I may also freely refashion Gumby for a contemporary world? In otherwords, if I am able use the video myself to make my own video, I would make a new Gumby out of the old Gumby. I would use the music in the video, mash the likeness, reshape him a bit physically speaking, but would especially make his psyche much different; he would do and say different kinds of things and have different body behaviors, for instance. I might have some plans to add a couple of permeant deformations to his walk and give his a few classic behavioral problems, for instance. Gumby himself could change and evolve instead of be trapped in time, the way he is now. Perhaps I could give the new Gumby away for free and encourage others to take him and develop him. Gumby could be reborn into a global star! Would I be allowed to do all of the above with my public domain Gumby without getting into trouble with the Gumby trademark and other later, non-public domain Gumby stuff claimed to be owned entirely by a private entity? http://tinyurl.com/mgu4qhttp://tinyurl.com/mgu4q I would assume that somehow, I would not be able to reshape Gumby, even if I did it all with the materials that I got from the public domain Gumby video. Surely, there is a conflict here and I would assume there is a simple answer that has already been worked out legally. Does anyone know what that would be? -- --- WWWhatsup NYC http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com --- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question
Shut up? Thanks for the great advise Josh.The point of the matter is that David last said this:Uhhh...Gumby isnt public domain. and he also said this: It looks like Veoh and their promise to rid their site of copyrighted material was rather empty.These statements are false. Let it be known people on the videoblogging list that these statements are not true. If I dont speak up, no one else will.On Apr 24, 2006, at 1:37 AM, Josh Leo wrote: what the heck is going on here... both of you shut up and start talking about the issue at hand here... put your ego's aside and have beneficial discussion,.,On 4/24/06, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Way to stay off-topic and avoid your dishonest and false statements.None of it is your fault per say, and I assume you can't help it, butI only addressed you to let you know that you were wrong.On Apr 24, 2006, at 1:19 AM, David Howell wrote: Oh Andrew...please feel free to get your stubby little fingers typing away then. Rather than write back to me though, address whatever it is you have to say to the owners of the Gumby copyright. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, I could add a pretty long rant about knee jerking responses but I'll just suck it up and get right to the point: Copyrights and trademarks can expire, lapse or be changed for a number of reasons. I have found that in fact there are several Gumby cartoons that are a part of the public domain. Here are a few: http://tinyurl.com/p283s On Apr 23, 2006, at 9:45 PM, David Howell wrote: Uhhh...Gumby isnt public domain. The little guy is far from that. http://www.gumbyworld.com/copy.htm It looks like Veoh and their promise to rid their site of copyrighted material was rather empty. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, WWWhatsup joly@ wrote: I don't know if that's true that Gumby is public domain - it's 60's right? However if stuff is in the public domain, yes one is free to make any kind of derivative work, and then even copyright that work. Hence the development of such animals as the GPL in order to ensure that 'free' works can only be spawned into further 'free' works. joly At 03:24 PM 4/22/2006, you wrote: I noticed on Veoh, they have a complete Gumby video on the home page in the 'featured videos' section. http://veoh.comhttp://veoh.com/ I assume the particular Gumby video http://tinyurl.com/jruf7http://tinyurl.com/jruf7 is public domain because Michael Eisner is featuring it, along with a couple of complete Superman videos that I have seen tagged as public domain on the Archive before. Since I am then allowed to use the public domain video of Gumby to create or recreate my own work, or version, wouldn't that mean that I may also freely refashion Gumby for a contemporary world? In otherwords, if I am able use the video myself to make my own video, I would make a new Gumby out of the old Gumby. I would use the music in the video, mash the likeness, reshape him a bit physically speaking, but would especially make his psyche much different; he would do and say different kinds of things and have different body behaviors, for instance. I might have some plans to add a couple of permeant deformations to his walk and give his a few classic behavioral problems, for instance. Gumby himself could change and evolve instead of be trapped in time, the way he is now. Perhaps I could give the new Gumby away for free and encourage others to take him and develop him. Gumby could be reborn into a global star! Would I be allowed to do all of the above with my public domain Gumby without getting into trouble with the Gumby trademark and other later, non-public domain Gumby stuff claimed to be owned entirely by a private entity? http://tinyurl.com/mgu4qhttp://tinyurl.com/mgu4q I would assume that somehow, I would not be able to reshape Gumby, even if I did it all with the materials that I got from the public domain Gumby video. Surely, there is a conflict here and I would assume there is a simple answer that has already been worked out legally. Does anyone know what that would be? -- --- WWWhatsup NYC http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com --- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups LinksYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email
