Re: [videoblogging] Technorati OPML ??
example: iTunes that's one reason i like fireant - import AND export of OPML feeds Lisa Williams wrote: It's a pet peeve of mine when apps want you to input or import data but won't allow you to export data. I call such apps roach motels -- Your Data Gets In, But It Doesn't Get Out. -- Markus Sandy http://apperceptions.org http://spinflow.org Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Technorati OPML ??
Thanks, Lisa. :)So this returns some results in opml for mehttp://feeds.technorati.com/blogs/videobloggingweek2006?format=opml On 4/6/06, Lisa Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, this tickled something in my brain, because I remember writingabout it back when Technorati started doing reading lists.It's a petpeeve of mine when apps want you to input or import data but won't allow you to export data.I call such apps roach motels -- Your Data GetsIn, But It Doesn't Get Out.Here's what I wrote back then, and below that is a response I got fromNiall Kennedy, who wrote to me about it: February 22: http://blogs.opml.org/thisislisa/2006/02/22#When:4:04:51PMDavid Sifry of Technorati http://www.sifry.com/alerts/archives/000423.html: I've been veryintrigued by the possibilities around Reading Lists, and so we wanted tosupport them as quickly as possible in the most intuitive place as possible. /Exactly how does Technorati use OPML in its implementation ofReading Lists? Does it import OPML but export something else? Import andexport? Who's played with it?/And here's the response I got from Niall Kennedy of Technorati: Hi Lisa,Technorati outputs OPML for its Blog Finder product across every blogfinder page we serve. This feature allows people to easily populate anRSS aggregator with a list of feeds in a given topic. http://feeds.technorati.com/blogs/gardening?format=opmlYou may also download a listing of the most popular Blog Finder tagsin OPML format. http://feeds.technorati.com/blogs/?format=opml-Niall KennedyMichael Sullivan wrote: well, they support opml for the import or 'reading lists' but they dont seem to allow export.so as far as the favorites feature, they should at least offer opml export there. but i want more, i want to export a tag, even if i am only allowed to export the latest 50 or whatever from the tag.i'd like to see the option and since technorati is built around links, they could be more open by providing more ways to take links out without voodoo. On 4/5/06, *Pete Prodoehl* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Sullivan wrote: Ok, I use technorati but not until today did i go looking for an OPML so I could export videobloggingweek2006 tag. Can it be that they do not support OPML?This is insane! Which part is insane? The fact that Technorati might not support a standard like OPML? (hurm... I use the term standard quite loosely.) Do they have an xoxo list instead? Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sull http://vlogdir.com http://SpreadTheMedia.org SPONSORED LINKS Individual http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=OHeQJKby66gg3t35np-qiw Fireant http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=hK8TfZa7ClhTIxDJdP6Cbw Use http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=fljF53rXtnOMjmpIySYbqA YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS *Visit your group videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. *To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Unsubscribe *Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. --Lisa Williams[EMAIL PROTECTED] Google Talk: lisatmhPlaces I blog:Lisa Williams' Blog:http://www.cadence90.com/wp/H2otown, a citizen journalism site for Watertown http://h2otown.infoOPML Fan, a blog tracking developments in OPML and the OPML Communityhttp://blogs.opml.org/thisislisa/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Sullhttp://vlogdir.com http://SpreadTheMedia.org YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Technorati OPML ??
You said it! How crummy is it that iTunes inhaled the (OPML) iPodder directory, but won't share what they've got, too? It's a problem at the individual user level -- not being able to easily export subscriptions -- and at the community level -- walled garden directory. Markus Sandy wrote: example: iTunes that's one reason i like fireant - import AND export of OPML feeds Lisa Williams wrote: It's a pet peeve of mine when apps want you to input or import data but won't allow you to export data. I call such apps roach motels -- Your Data Gets In, But It Doesn't Get Out. -- Markus Sandy http://apperceptions.org http://spinflow.org YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- Lisa Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Google Talk: lisatmh Places I blog: Lisa Williams' Blog: http://www.cadence90.com/wp/ H2otown, a citizen journalism site for Watertown http://h2otown.info OPML Fan, a blog tracking developments in OPML and the OPML Community http://blogs.opml.org/thisislisa/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Technorati OPML ??
Michael Sullivan wrote: Ok, I use technorati but not until today did i go looking for an OPML so I could export videobloggingweek2006 tag. Can it be that they do not support OPML? This is insane! Which part is insane? The fact that Technorati might not support a standard like OPML? (hurm... I use the term standard quite loosely.) Do they have an xoxo list instead? Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Technorati OPML ??
well, they support opml for the import or 'reading lists' but they dont seem to allow export. so as far as the favorites feature, they should at least offer opml export there. but i want more, i want to export a tag, even if i am only allowed to export the latest 50 or whatever from the tag. i'd like to see the option and since technorati is built around links, they could be more open by providing more ways to take links out without voodoo. On 4/5/06, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Sullivan wrote: Ok, I use technorati but not until today did i go looking for an OPML so I could export videobloggingweek2006 tag. Can it be that they do not support OPML?This is insane! Which part is insane? The fact that Technorati might not support astandard like OPML? (hurm... I use the term standard quite loosely.)Do they have an xoxo list instead?Pete --http://tinkernet.org/videoblog for the future...Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Sull http://vlogdir.com http://SpreadTheMedia.org SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Technorati OPML ??
On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 22:36:08 +0200, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, they support opml for the import or 'reading lists' but they dont seem to allow export. so as far as the favorites feature, they should at least offer opml export there. but i want more, i want to export a tag, even if i am only allowed to export the latest 50 or whatever from the tag. i'd like to see the option and since technorati is built around links, they could be more open by providing more ways to take links out without voodoo. The HTML they are using for output is actually quite structured. You can just parse the HTML pages. No voodoo required. :o) -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Technorati OPML ??
Now, this tickled something in my brain, because I remember writing about it back when Technorati started doing reading lists. It's a pet peeve of mine when apps want you to input or import data but won't allow you to export data. I call such apps roach motels -- Your Data Gets In, But It Doesn't Get Out. Here's what I wrote back then, and below that is a response I got from Niall Kennedy, who wrote to me about it: February 22: http://blogs.opml.org/thisislisa/2006/02/22#When:4:04:51PM David Sifry of Technorati http://www.sifry.com/alerts/archives/000423.html: I've been very intrigued by the possibilities around Reading Lists, and so we wanted to support them as quickly as possible in the most intuitive place as possible. /Exactly how does Technorati use OPML in its implementation of Reading Lists? Does it import OPML but export something else? Import and export? Who's played with it? / And here's the response I got from Niall Kennedy of Technorati: Hi Lisa, Technorati outputs OPML for its Blog Finder product across every blog finder page we serve. This feature allows people to easily populate an RSS aggregator with a list of feeds in a given topic. http://feeds.technorati.com/blogs/gardening?format=opml You may also download a listing of the most popular Blog Finder tags in OPML format. http://feeds.technorati.com/blogs/?format=opml -Niall Kennedy Michael Sullivan wrote: well, they support opml for the import or 'reading lists' but they dont seem to allow export. so as far as the favorites feature, they should at least offer opml export there. but i want more, i want to export a tag, even if i am only allowed to export the latest 50 or whatever from the tag. i'd like to see the option and since technorati is built around links, they could be more open by providing more ways to take links out without voodoo. On 4/5/06, *Pete Prodoehl* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Sullivan wrote: Ok, I use technorati but not until today did i go looking for an OPML so I could export videobloggingweek2006 tag. Can it be that they do not support OPML? This is insane! Which part is insane? The fact that Technorati might not support a standard like OPML? (hurm... I use the term standard quite loosely.) Do they have an xoxo list instead? Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sull http://vlogdir.com http://SpreadTheMedia.org SPONSORED LINKS Individual http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=OHeQJKby66gg3t35np-qiw Fireant http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=hK8TfZa7ClhTIxDJdP6Cbw Use http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=fljF53rXtnOMjmpIySYbqA YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- Lisa Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Google Talk: lisatmh Places I blog: Lisa Williams' Blog: http://www.cadence90.com/wp/ H2otown, a citizen journalism site for Watertown http://h2otown.info OPML Fan, a blog tracking developments in OPML and the OPML Community http://blogs.opml.org/thisislisa/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Technorati OPML ??
Ok, I use technorati but not until today did i go looking for an OPML so I could export videobloggingweek2006 tag. Can it be that they do not support OPML? This is insane!-- Sull http://vlogdir.com http://SpreadTheMedia.org YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Technorati OPML ??
Hello,On 4/4/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I use technorati but not until today did i go looking for an OPML so I could export videobloggingweek2006 tag. Can it be that they do not support OPML? This is insane!If they did support OPML (to export the blogs being syndicated for a tag or whatever), the file would probably be HUGE (in most cases). Think about it. Technorati (and the other blog search engines) are indexes millions and millions of blogs, Potentially you could have enormously gigantic OPML files. (Maybe something like OMPL files that are 9000 GB in size.) And because of this, they probably thought that there is no point. (Even in the cases where there are very few blogs show up for the tag/search.) See ya-- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.charles @ reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___Make Television http://maketelevision.com/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Technorati OPML ??
I'm not sure the OPML file would be so large. The OPML file would have a single line of text for each blog containing the RSS URL of the videoblog, along with some elements to make the OPML work. Let's imagine that each line of text was 1K (probably an overstatement, but makes the math easy). Then the OPML for 9,000 videoblogs would be 9MB. The problem wouldn't be the OPML file--but what happened when you tried to load all those videoblogs in your aggregator. Probably explosions, smoke, flame, toxic fumes ;) This brings up a good question, how to make lightweight directories of videoblogs. OPML would be a good use of that, because it's used to make outlines (like a tree structure). Each person could edit their branch of the tree. But we'd need smart aggregators to be able to move from branch to branch without downloading unless we really wanted to. (Forgive me if the videoblog aggregators already do that. I just got started again with FireAnt, which I like a lot. I had it on my old computer, but then that computer died an ugly death, and it's taken me awhile to get a new computer and get it all set up again). Lisa Williams Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: Hello, On 4/4/06, *Michael Sullivan* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I use technorati but not until today did i go looking for an OPML so I could export videobloggingweek2006 tag. Can it be that they do not support OPML? This is insane! If they did support OPML (to export the blogs being syndicated for a tag or whatever), the file would probably be HUGE (in most cases). Think about it. Technorati (and the other blog search engines) are indexes millions and millions of blogs, Potentially you could have enormously gigantic OPML files. (Maybe something like OMPL files that are 9000 GB in size.) And because of this, they probably thought that there is no point. (Even in the cases where there are very few blogs show up for the tag/search.) See ya -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. charles @ reptile.ca http://reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.com http://gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___ Make Television http://maketelevision.com/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- Lisa Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Google Talk: lisatmh Places I blog: Lisa Williams' Blog: http://www.cadence90.com/wp/ H2otown, a citizen journalism site for Watertown http://h2otown.info OPML Fan, a blog tracking developments in OPML and the OPML Community http://blogs.opml.org/thisislisa/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Technorati OPML ??
Hello Lisa,What would be useful is a format that could split things into parts.For example: here's part 1 or 20, part 2 or 20,... part 20 or 20. (Kind of link the pages of a search engine result.) The Atom format has facilities for this. (Via rel-next and rel-prev via atom:link)Also, semantic HTML could do this. (Semantic HTML is just HTML using certain facilities, already built in to HTML, for add meaning.) For example, just use the HTML a or link elements with rel-prev and rel-next. And you could use the XOXO Microformat (or some other semantic HTML) as a replacement for for OPML. For example: div class=shows ul class=xoxo li class=show a media=screen rel=alternate bookmark type=text/html href="" href="http://www.kitkast.com/">http://www.kitkast.com/Kitkast/a (a media=tv rel=alternate type=application/rss+xml href="" href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/KITKAST">http://feeds.feedburner.com/KITKAST Subscribe/a) /li li class=show a media=screen rel=alternate bookmark type=text/html href="" href="http://captainhumphreys.com/">http://captainhumphreys.com/Captain Humphreys Project/a (a media=tv rel=alternate type=application/rss+xml href="" href="http://chqt.blip.tv/posts/?user=CHQTskin=rss">http://chqt.blip.tv/posts/?user=CHQTskin=rssSubscribe/a) /li /ul a rel=next href="" Vlogs/a/div(Note: This semantic HTML probably needs alot more work though.)It's the hyperlink at the bottom -- the a element at the bottom -- that would take you to more stuff. (Also, you'd probably want to use another a element with rel-prev to get to the previous stuff.) See yaOn 4/4/06, Lisa Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure the OPML file would be so large.The OPML file would have a single line of text for each blog containingthe RSS URL of the videoblog, along with some elements to make theOPML work.Let's imagine that each line of text was 1K (probably an overstatement, but makes the math easy).Then the OPML for 9,000 videoblogs would be 9MB.The problem wouldn't be the OPML file--but what happened when you triedto load all those videoblogs in your aggregator.Probably explosions, smoke, flame, toxic fumes ;)This brings up a good question, how to make lightweight directories ofvideoblogs.OPML would be a good use of that, because it's used to makeoutlines (like a tree structure).Each person could edit their branch of the tree.But we'd need smart aggregators to be able to move frombranch to branch without downloading unless we really wanted to.(Forgive me if the videoblog aggregators already do that.I just gotstarted again with FireAnt, which I like a lot.I had it on my old computer, but then that computer died an ugly death, and it's taken meawhile to get a new computer and get it all set up again).Lisa WilliamsCharles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: Hello, On 4/4/06, *Michael Sullivan* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I use technorati but not until today did i go looking for an OPML so I could export videobloggingweek2006 tag. Can it be that they do not support OPML?This is insane! If they did support OPML (to export the blogs being syndicated for a tag or whatever), the file would probably be HUGE (in most cases). Think about it.Technorati (and the other blog search engines) are indexes millions and millions of blogs,Potentially you could have enormously gigantic OPML files.(Maybe something like OMPL files that are 9000 GB in size.)And because of this, they probably thought that there is no point.(Even in the cases where there are very few blogs show up for the tag/search.) See ya -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. charles @ reptile.ca http://reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.com http://gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___Make Television http://maketelevision.com/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS *Visit your group videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. *To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Unsubscribe *Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. --Lisa Williams[EMAIL PROTECTED] Google Talk: lisatmhPlaces I blog:Lisa Williams' Blog:http://www.cadence90.com/wp/H2otown, a citizen journalism site for Watertown http://h2otown.infoOPML Fan, a blog tracking developments in OPML and the OPML Communityhttp://blogs.opml.org/thisislisa/ See ya-- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. charles @ reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.comdeveloper weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/___ Make Televisionhttp://maketelevision.com/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
