RE: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone

[Robyn Tippins]

Mike, I think the point of  a UMPC is to replace your laptop, eventually.  I
mean, for $800 - $1200 you'll be able to buy a UMPC that really does come
close to doing that.  I agree, having Word or Excel in your pocket is only
useful in transferring docs from one point to another and any thumb drive
can do that.  However, I actually have an excel spreadsheet that I keep on
my palm that I use 2-3 times per week (lists names/contact info of people I
need when I'm on the go), so perhaps there is a slight usefulness therein.

 

A real UMPC is like a mini Tablet PC and there's a real need for that.
However, the N800 lacks a lot to be called a real UMPC.  I wish I knew more
about the camera capabilities of these devices.  I covet a device I could
use as a camera that could run Premiere for editing on the fly.  I know the
N93 allows for shooting and editing, but is the quality great or merely good
and does that really matter anyway?

 

I have to admit that the fact that I could drop a UMPC in my purse factors a
bit in my covetousness.  

 

Robyn

 

From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Mike Meiser
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:49 AM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone

 

Robyn and Tim,

You're blowing me away with your crazy knowledge of these devices. I bow to
your superiority on the subject. For mine is merely anecdotal.

That said, without my superior technical knowlege of the n770 and n800,
indeed without having ever used them I have this observation.

We are SLOWLY figuring out the true killer apps of the pocket space, aka.
hand held space.

This is much like figuring out the killer apps of the desktop space.

That early war was won by apps like Word and Excell, but in many ways it is
still evolving. Mostly though... it was defined and pioneered by apple and
ultimately won by microsoft.

Now though we're on to early mobile computing. And it is still early for it
has yet to reach a critical mass of mass penetration.

The earlies attempts at mobile computing were perhaps the caluculator... but
then it quickly moved onto the PDA.

The thing is though the PDA wasn't the ULTIMATE killer app. In many respects
we haven't completely figured out quite what that killer app is.

The iPod is one such vector... it says personal media is an important aspect
of the hand space. And especially with the younger generations that's right.

But we're still in a constant state of convergence and divergence. Companies
attempt to combine winning cobinations... and also to split them off.

Gaming is one... the PSP and Nintendo's answer... not much of a gamer
myself, but it's definitely a very well defined segment of the pocket or
hand space.

The ipod... already mentioned

The cell phone...

The PDA...

Mobile Email...

SMS/IM...

And then we come to something new... some deep seeded beast that rises out
of the chaos of the internet... is it a internet communicator?

... how about a personal media... podcasting and vlogging?

... or is it not about personal media... so much as inter-personal
communications? photo-sharing... video-sharing and other services?

or is it simply unencumbered access to webservices?

What is the next killer app of the mobile space? Is the iPod it for now, or
is there some greater thing... something that will propell market
domination?? Will one company dominate this sector if so who? How long
untill mobile computing becomes homogenous enough a space and ubiquitous
enough a space that the innovation isn't tied to the hardware and hence the
9-15month development cycles? How long until the pipes... i.e the mobile
networks are robust enough they are no longer an issue?

We're still very early in this process... It will be a long time before wifi
and even wimax make connectivity of mobile computing a none issue.

And... it'll be a long time before general user mobile computing hardware is
flexible enough and refined enough to allow for a huge variety of
innovations... so that the limitations to innovation rest not on the
hardware or the pipes (the network) so that millions of innovators can
innovate on the webservices level... which is to say... so that innovation
can be decentralized away from hardware vendors and network owners.

Apple has it's fingers on teh pulse of this innovation... hardware and
software. They however don't have control over the pace of network
innovation... hence their deal with Cingular... and there reliance on a
device with dual wifi and cellular conectivity. Apple is just starting to
get invested in wimax... if it pans out, when it pans out, it'll open
innovation up all that much more.

So where does the Nokia N770 and 800 exist? It's an internet communicator
I guess. It's a fairly technical beast... poorly designed use scenarios and
workflows... made to do a lot of things, but none of them extremely well.
It also is not useful unless you have wifi, and wifi access is NOT
dependably

Re: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone

[T Shey]

-critical
 applications. I guess this is all to say... it's an evolving class of
 applications yet. One day it very well may be a killer device... but we're
 still way to early I think. It's still ahead of its time. Just my opinion.

 There is one final observation I have.

 I've been running around saying this like a broken record.

 It's about personal communication.

 The iphone, and indeed nearly ALL the killer apps so far lie in the realm of
 personal communications... and at the very least with the iPod in the realm
 of personal media. Nearly every function on the iPhone is a communications
 feature... the only ones that aren't are about personal media. i.e. my
 photos from iphoto... my songs... my videos.

 That apple sells TV shows, or movies... is really incosequential to this
 device... I doubt people will watch to many films or tv shows on the
 iPhone unless of course it plugs into the TV. ;)

 Even podcasting and videoblogging as early an iteration as they are fit into
 this sliding scale of personal communications and media. They're somewhere
 less personl then my photos, but somewhat more personal then tv shows and
 movies.

 The point is... personal communicaitons and personal media are the killer
 class of apps for personal computing... after all, can you think of a many
 reasons to have Word or Excell in your pocket?

 The pocket space is slowly getting figured out.

 -Mike


 On 1/14/07, Robyn Tippins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Off the top of my head, the N800 has a faster processor (330mhz),
  additional
  memory (though the 770 could be easily hacked to have comparable memory
  -2g
  I think).  Both run linux and there is a good community of people who
  develop for the 770.  The 800 will have a similar community, no doubt.
 
 
 
  It's not a full-fledged UMPC, but it's close.  For a real UMPC, you could
  look at the Samsung Q1 or possibly one of the nicer models from
  TabletKiosk.
  The tabletscape (like the blogosphere but tablet afficianados) is a great
  place to start looking for reviews on devices like this.  I've watched at
  least 3 unboxings or full out reviews of the N800 this week and last week,
  so if you need some help locating some videos let me know.  The video
  blogs
  from some of these guys are amazing.
 
 
 
  Take a look at the LG KE850:
  http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/13/video-of-lgs-ke850-its-no-poser/
 
 
 
  Robyn
 
 
 
  From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 4:30 PM
  To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone
 
 
 
  A friend of mine bought the N770... that's the small handheld tablet
  device that runs a form of debian linux right? I don't think it
  panned out for him... ended up in a drawer like most such devices.
 
  I'll have to check out the specs on the N800 and see what's new.
 
  The only problem I think it has is that noone knows what to do with
  it. There aren't any clear use cases or models... you can do all sorts
  of stuff with it, but it's not clearly defined... it's an undifined
  market niche.
 
  Thanks for the links!
 
  -Mike
  mmeiser.com/blog
 
  On 1/14/07, T Shey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:timshey%40gmail.com 
  wrote:
   Hey, just caught up with this thread... for the record, tongue was
   firmly planted in cheek when talking about Apple being arrogant.
   Sure they are, but who can't like seeing Apple give a jolt to a mobile
   phone business that seems to conspire together to tolerate bad user
   experience.
  
   There was one nice product at CES that probably didn't get its due as
   a result. The new Nokia N800 tablet looks nice, will probably be
   relatively affordable, and seems to have a clean and well-thought-out
   OS. Anyone had a chance to play with one? I tried out its
   predecessor, the 770, at a store in NYC the other day and was pretty
   impressed.
  
   http://www.nseries.com/products/n800/#l=products,n800
   http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/05/nokia-n800-internet-tablet-unboxed/
  
   On 1/13/07, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  mailto:steve%40dvmachine.com  wrote:
lol whoa yeah it does look like Cisco might have blown it, har har
sticking a sticker that says 'iPhone' on the box of an existing
product, does not seem likely to me to have preserved their trademark,
fools!
   
Cheers
   
Steve Elbows
   
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com , Ryan Ozawa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:

 On 1/11/07, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Oh yeah and the supreme arrongance of Apple winds me up - just
why did
  they think they could get away with using the name iPhone when its
  already been trademarked?

 I'm an Apple fan, but also felt the same way. It seemed so blatant,
  so
 ridiculous, I was similarly confident that Cisco would have the rare
 opportunity to prevail over

Re: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone

[T Shey]

I actually played with the N800 over the weekend at the Nokia store.
Its built-in videoconferencing over Google Talk was pretty cool - by
far the best feature, though I still can't even find enough people to
do videochats with me via Skype or iChat  (anyone?).  And it has nice
video playback, audio, and a very sharp web browser (it seems like the
screen has at least 100-dpi resolution).  I couldn't help, when
pulling out the stylus, thinking of Steve Jobs' dismissal from the
MacWorld speech, something to the effect of nobody wants a stylus.

It all looked pretty but the interface was decidedly not intuitive. I
was actually stumped for a little bit trying to navigate around, a
definite learning curve on all the menus, which were Windows-like, and
a bunch of buttons on the device that are not clear at all as to their
use.

Ultimately, it's not a laptop replacement or a phone replacement --
it's yet a third device to have (or fourth, if you carry a MP3
player).  So, for all its slickness, it may unfortunately go the way
of the Newton, which also had a stylus, I believe.

p.s. I still have, and love, my Newton, which works, though it's more
a museum piece than anything else.  Confessions of a Machead.


On 1/14/07, Robyn Tippins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Off the top of my head, the N800 has a faster processor (330mhz), additional
 memory (though the 770 could be easily hacked to have comparable memory -2g
 I think).  Both run linux and there is a good community of people who
 develop for the 770.  The 800 will have a similar community, no doubt.



 It's not a full-fledged UMPC, but it's close.  For a real UMPC, you could
 look at the Samsung Q1 or possibly one of the nicer models from TabletKiosk.
 The tabletscape (like the blogosphere but tablet afficianados) is a great
 place to start looking for reviews on devices like this.  I've watched at
 least 3 unboxings or full out reviews of the N800 this week and last week,
 so if you need some help locating some videos let me know.  The video blogs
 from some of these guys are amazing.



 Take a look at the LG KE850:
 http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/13/video-of-lgs-ke850-its-no-poser/



 Robyn



 From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 4:30 PM
 To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone



 A friend of mine bought the N770... that's the small handheld tablet
 device that runs a form of debian linux right? I don't think it
 panned out for him... ended up in a drawer like most such devices.

 I'll have to check out the specs on the N800 and see what's new.

 The only problem I think it has is that noone knows what to do with
 it. There aren't any clear use cases or models... you can do all sorts
 of stuff with it, but it's not clearly defined... it's an undifined
 market niche.

 Thanks for the links!

 -Mike
 mmeiser.com/blog

 On 1/14/07, T Shey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:timshey%40gmail.com  wrote:
  Hey, just caught up with this thread... for the record, tongue was
  firmly planted in cheek when talking about Apple being arrogant.
  Sure they are, but who can't like seeing Apple give a jolt to a mobile
  phone business that seems to conspire together to tolerate bad user
  experience.
 
  There was one nice product at CES that probably didn't get its due as
  a result. The new Nokia N800 tablet looks nice, will probably be
  relatively affordable, and seems to have a clean and well-thought-out
  OS. Anyone had a chance to play with one? I tried out its
  predecessor, the 770, at a store in NYC the other day and was pretty
  impressed.
 
  http://www.nseries.com/products/n800/#l=products,n800
  http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/05/nokia-n800-internet-tablet-unboxed/
 
  On 1/13/07, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:steve%40dvmachine.com  wrote:
   lol whoa yeah it does look like Cisco might have blown it, har har
   sticking a sticker that says 'iPhone' on the box of an existing
   product, does not seem likely to me to have preserved their trademark,
   fools!
  
   Cheers
  
   Steve Elbows
  
   --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com , Ryan Ozawa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
   
On 1/11/07, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Oh yeah and the supreme arrongance of Apple winds me up - just
   why did
 they think they could get away with using the name iPhone when its
 already been trademarked?
   
I'm an Apple fan, but also felt the same way. It seemed so blatant, so
ridiculous, I was similarly confident that Cisco would have the rare
opportunity to prevail over Apple and make the company eat a little
humble pie.
   
But it turns out, Cisco may have shot itself in the foot:
   
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=236
   
You know what? It'd be worth Apple losing the case anyway. Just
seeing that fake product box makes it all worth

RE: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone

[Robyn Tippins]

Tim, 

 

I didn't even think about the video conf through gtalk, but I probably
should have.  I agree that its probably useless as no one else video chats
via gtalk yet.  I also rarely find someone who can vid chat thru Skype.  If
you ever wanna chat, I'm Duzins on Skype.  

 

What did you think about the camera in general?  If I considered this it
would have to replace something I carry, possibly my phone or my mp3 player,
but I don't think it even has the capabilities of phone, I mean other than
Skype.  The mp3 player replacement is a possibility.

 

Robyn

 

From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of T Shey
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 11:53 AM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone

 

I actually played with the N800 over the weekend at the Nokia store.
Its built-in videoconferencing over Google Talk was pretty cool - by
far the best feature, though I still can't even find enough people to
do videochats with me via Skype or iChat (anyone?). And it has nice
video playback, audio, and a very sharp web browser (it seems like the
screen has at least 100-dpi resolution). I couldn't help, when
pulling out the stylus, thinking of Steve Jobs' dismissal from the
MacWorld speech, something to the effect of nobody wants a stylus.

It all looked pretty but the interface was decidedly not intuitive. I
was actually stumped for a little bit trying to navigate around, a
definite learning curve on all the menus, which were Windows-like, and
a bunch of buttons on the device that are not clear at all as to their
use.

Ultimately, it's not a laptop replacement or a phone replacement --
it's yet a third device to have (or fourth, if you carry a MP3
player). So, for all its slickness, it may unfortunately go the way
of the Newton, which also had a stylus, I believe.

p.s. I still have, and love, my Newton, which works, though it's more
a museum piece than anything else. Confessions of a Machead.

On 1/14/07, Robyn Tippins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:robyn%40sleepyblogger.com  wrote:
 Off the top of my head, the N800 has a faster processor (330mhz),
additional
 memory (though the 770 could be easily hacked to have comparable memory
-2g
 I think). Both run linux and there is a good community of people who
 develop for the 770. The 800 will have a similar community, no doubt.



 It's not a full-fledged UMPC, but it's close. For a real UMPC, you could
 look at the Samsung Q1 or possibly one of the nicer models from
TabletKiosk.
 The tabletscape (like the blogosphere but tablet afficianados) is a great
 place to start looking for reviews on devices like this. I've watched at
 least 3 unboxings or full out reviews of the N800 this week and last week,
 so if you need some help locating some videos let me know. The video blogs
 from some of these guys are amazing.



 Take a look at the LG KE850:
 http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/13/video-of-lgs-ke850-its-no-poser/



 Robyn



 From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com ]
 On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:groups-yahoo-com%40mmeiser.com 
 Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 4:30 PM
 To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com

 Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone



 A friend of mine bought the N770... that's the small handheld tablet
 device that runs a form of debian linux right? I don't think it
 panned out for him... ended up in a drawer like most such devices.

 I'll have to check out the specs on the N800 and see what's new.

 The only problem I think it has is that noone knows what to do with
 it. There aren't any clear use cases or models... you can do all sorts
 of stuff with it, but it's not clearly defined... it's an undifined
 market niche.

 Thanks for the links!

 -Mike
 mmeiser.com/blog

 On 1/14/07, T Shey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:timshey%40gmail.com
mailto:timshey%40gmail.com  wrote:
  Hey, just caught up with this thread... for the record, tongue was
  firmly planted in cheek when talking about Apple being arrogant.
  Sure they are, but who can't like seeing Apple give a jolt to a mobile
  phone business that seems to conspire together to tolerate bad user
  experience.
 
  There was one nice product at CES that probably didn't get its due as
  a result. The new Nokia N800 tablet looks nice, will probably be
  relatively affordable, and seems to have a clean and well-thought-out
  OS. Anyone had a chance to play with one? I tried out its
  predecessor, the 770, at a store in NYC the other day and was pretty
  impressed.
 
  http://www.nseries.com/products/n800/#l=products,n800
  http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/05/nokia-n800-internet-tablet-unboxed/
 
  On 1/13/07, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:steve%40dvmachine.com 
 mailto:steve%40dvmachine.com  wrote:
   lol whoa yeah it does look like Cisco might have blown

Re: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone

[Harold Johnson]

I'm not laughing, Mike.  I believe the Zune has some potential, especially
considering it's *half the price* of the the iPhone.  It may even be a third
of the price by the time the iPhone is actually shipped.  So considering the
price point, the Zune packs somewhat of a punch over its competitors.

That said, I have to admit that the actual device you can compare the
sub-$250 Zune to -- that is,  the iPod Video -- is currently a *much* better
device, simply due to the software, especially in regards to iTunes Music
Player.  Next generations of the Zune may have better software and better
integration with computer systems, but the iPod still rules the roost,
IMHO.

The comparison should be with the existing crop of smartphones...

Harold

On 1/11/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   In considering the term revolutionary... and the much better term
 innovation...

 I think one must compare the new iPhone to microsoft's ipod killer the
 zune...

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone

[Harold Johnson]

Add me (anyone who wants to): haroldjohnson for Skype and voyagerradio for
iChat

By the way, I caught your tongue-in-cheek.

Harold


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone

[Mike Meiser]

 of apps for personal computing... after all, can you think of a many
reasons to have Word or Excell in your pocket?

The pocket space is slowly getting figured out.

-Mike


On 1/14/07, Robyn Tippins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Off the top of my head, the N800 has a faster processor (330mhz),
 additional
 memory (though the 770 could be easily hacked to have comparable memory
 -2g
 I think).  Both run linux and there is a good community of people who
 develop for the 770.  The 800 will have a similar community, no doubt.



 It's not a full-fledged UMPC, but it's close.  For a real UMPC, you could
 look at the Samsung Q1 or possibly one of the nicer models from
 TabletKiosk.
 The tabletscape (like the blogosphere but tablet afficianados) is a great
 place to start looking for reviews on devices like this.  I've watched at
 least 3 unboxings or full out reviews of the N800 this week and last week,
 so if you need some help locating some videos let me know.  The video
 blogs
 from some of these guys are amazing.



 Take a look at the LG KE850:
 http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/13/video-of-lgs-ke850-its-no-poser/



 Robyn



 From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 4:30 PM
 To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone



 A friend of mine bought the N770... that's the small handheld tablet
 device that runs a form of debian linux right? I don't think it
 panned out for him... ended up in a drawer like most such devices.

 I'll have to check out the specs on the N800 and see what's new.

 The only problem I think it has is that noone knows what to do with
 it. There aren't any clear use cases or models... you can do all sorts
 of stuff with it, but it's not clearly defined... it's an undifined
 market niche.

 Thanks for the links!

 -Mike
 mmeiser.com/blog

 On 1/14/07, T Shey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:timshey%40gmail.com 
 wrote:
  Hey, just caught up with this thread... for the record, tongue was
  firmly planted in cheek when talking about Apple being arrogant.
  Sure they are, but who can't like seeing Apple give a jolt to a mobile
  phone business that seems to conspire together to tolerate bad user
  experience.
 
  There was one nice product at CES that probably didn't get its due as
  a result. The new Nokia N800 tablet looks nice, will probably be
  relatively affordable, and seems to have a clean and well-thought-out
  OS. Anyone had a chance to play with one? I tried out its
  predecessor, the 770, at a store in NYC the other day and was pretty
  impressed.
 
  http://www.nseries.com/products/n800/#l=products,n800
  http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/05/nokia-n800-internet-tablet-unboxed/
 
  On 1/13/07, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:steve%40dvmachine.com  wrote:
   lol whoa yeah it does look like Cisco might have blown it, har har
   sticking a sticker that says 'iPhone' on the box of an existing
   product, does not seem likely to me to have preserved their trademark,
   fools!
  
   Cheers
  
   Steve Elbows
  
   --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com , Ryan Ozawa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
   
On 1/11/07, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Oh yeah and the supreme arrongance of Apple winds me up - just
   why did
 they think they could get away with using the name iPhone when its
 already been trademarked?
   
I'm an Apple fan, but also felt the same way. It seemed so blatant,
 so
ridiculous, I was similarly confident that Cisco would have the rare
opportunity to prevail over Apple and make the company eat a little
humble pie.
   
But it turns out, Cisco may have shot itself in the foot:
   
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=236
   
You know what? It'd be worth Apple losing the case anyway. Just
seeing that fake product box makes it all worth it.
   
Digg It!
http://www.digg.com/tech_news/iPhonegate_Cisco_s_sneaky_sticker
   
Ryan
   
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone

[Mike Meiser]

On 1/15/07, Harold Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm not laughing, Mike.  I believe the Zune has some potential, especially
 considering it's *half the price* of the the iPhone.  It may even be a
 third
 of the price by the time the iPhone is actually shipped.  So considering
 the
 price point, the Zune packs somewhat of a punch over its competitors.

 That said, I have to admit that the actual device you can compare the
 sub-$250 Zune to -- that is,  the iPod Video -- is currently a *much*
 better
 device, simply due to the software, especially in regards to iTunes Music
 Player.  Next generations of the Zune may have better software and better
 integration with computer systems, but the iPod still rules the roost,
 IMHO.


Yes, I was just saying... in order to kill the ipod, you have to one up it
in a major way, or five up it. :)

The Zune definitely aimed to one up it but failed VERY miserably.

The iPhone I guess should not be considered an iPod killer, because you're
right, it's a whole new class. Ultimately comprable to other smart phones.

So... maybe my comparison of the Zune and iPhone is like apple's and
oranges. But maybe... just maybe the reall killer to the top of the line
iPod is to transcend the genre and create or atleast redefine a completely
new class of devices that just so happens to have an ipod built in.

Speaking of which, since I haven't seen it said before. The iPhone is a
combination of the following devices

1 iPod mini
1 blackberry
1 Palm or basic PDA
1 Nokia 770

I think some people could probably do much better. Just a different way of
looking at it that might create insight.

-Mike

The comparison should be with the existing crop of smartphones...





Harold

 On 1/11/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
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  I think one must compare the new iPhone to microsoft's ipod killer the
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone

[groups-yahoo-com]

A friend of mine bought the N770... that's the small handheld tablet
device that runs a form of debian linux right?   I don't think it
panned out for him... ended up in a drawer like most such devices.

I'll have to check out the specs on the N800 and see what's new.

The only problem I think it has is that noone knows what to do with
it. There aren't any clear use cases or models... you can do all sorts
of stuff with it, but it's not clearly defined... it's an undifined
market niche.

Thanks for the links!

-Mike
mmeiser.com/blog

On 1/14/07, T Shey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hey, just caught up with this thread... for the record,  tongue was
 firmly planted in cheek when  talking about Apple being arrogant.
 Sure they are, but who can't like seeing Apple give a jolt to a mobile
 phone business that seems to conspire together to tolerate bad user
 experience.

 There was one nice product at CES that probably didn't get its due as
 a result.  The new Nokia N800 tablet looks nice, will probably be
 relatively affordable, and seems to have a clean and well-thought-out
 OS.  Anyone had a chance to play with one?  I tried out its
 predecessor, the 770, at a store in NYC the other day and was pretty
 impressed.

 http://www.nseries.com/products/n800/#l=products,n800
 http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/05/nokia-n800-internet-tablet-unboxed/

 On 1/13/07, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  lol whoa yeah it does look like Cisco might have blown it, har har
  sticking a sticker that says 'iPhone' on the box of an existing
  product, does not seem likely to me to have preserved their trademark,
  fools!
 
  Cheers
 
  Steve Elbows
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Ozawa [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
   On 1/11/07, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Oh yeah and the supreme arrongance of Apple winds me up - just
  why did
  they think they could get away with using the name iPhone when its
  already been trademarked?
  
   I'm an Apple fan, but also felt the same way. It seemed so blatant, so
   ridiculous, I was similarly confident that Cisco would have the rare
   opportunity to prevail over Apple and make the company eat a little
   humble pie.
  
   But it turns out, Cisco may have shot itself in the foot:
  
   http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=236
  
   You know what?  It'd be worth Apple losing the case anyway.  Just
   seeing that fake product box makes it all worth it.
  
   Digg It!
   http://www.digg.com/tech_news/iPhonegate_Cisco_s_sneaky_sticker
  
   Ryan
  
 
 
 
 
 
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 ---
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 http://shey.net/



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RE: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone

[Robyn Tippins]

Off the top of my head, the N800 has a faster processor (330mhz), additional
memory (though the 770 could be easily hacked to have comparable memory -2g
I think).  Both run linux and there is a good community of people who
develop for the 770.  The 800 will have a similar community, no doubt.

 

It's not a full-fledged UMPC, but it's close.  For a real UMPC, you could
look at the Samsung Q1 or possibly one of the nicer models from TabletKiosk.
The tabletscape (like the blogosphere but tablet afficianados) is a great
place to start looking for reviews on devices like this.  I've watched at
least 3 unboxings or full out reviews of the N800 this week and last week,
so if you need some help locating some videos let me know.  The video blogs
from some of these guys are amazing.

 

Take a look at the LG KE850:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/13/video-of-lgs-ke850-its-no-poser/

 

Robyn

 

From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 4:30 PM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone

 

A friend of mine bought the N770... that's the small handheld tablet
device that runs a form of debian linux right? I don't think it
panned out for him... ended up in a drawer like most such devices.

I'll have to check out the specs on the N800 and see what's new.

The only problem I think it has is that noone knows what to do with
it. There aren't any clear use cases or models... you can do all sorts
of stuff with it, but it's not clearly defined... it's an undifined
market niche.

Thanks for the links!

-Mike
mmeiser.com/blog

On 1/14/07, T Shey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:timshey%40gmail.com  wrote:
 Hey, just caught up with this thread... for the record, tongue was
 firmly planted in cheek when talking about Apple being arrogant.
 Sure they are, but who can't like seeing Apple give a jolt to a mobile
 phone business that seems to conspire together to tolerate bad user
 experience.

 There was one nice product at CES that probably didn't get its due as
 a result. The new Nokia N800 tablet looks nice, will probably be
 relatively affordable, and seems to have a clean and well-thought-out
 OS. Anyone had a chance to play with one? I tried out its
 predecessor, the 770, at a store in NYC the other day and was pretty
 impressed.

 http://www.nseries.com/products/n800/#l=products,n800
 http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/05/nokia-n800-internet-tablet-unboxed/

 On 1/13/07, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:steve%40dvmachine.com  wrote:
  lol whoa yeah it does look like Cisco might have blown it, har har
  sticking a sticker that says 'iPhone' on the box of an existing
  product, does not seem likely to me to have preserved their trademark,
  fools!
 
  Cheers
 
  Steve Elbows
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com , Ryan Ozawa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  
   On 1/11/07, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh yeah and the supreme arrongance of Apple winds me up - just
  why did
they think they could get away with using the name iPhone when its
already been trademarked?
  
   I'm an Apple fan, but also felt the same way. It seemed so blatant, so
   ridiculous, I was similarly confident that Cisco would have the rare
   opportunity to prevail over Apple and make the company eat a little
   humble pie.
  
   But it turns out, Cisco may have shot itself in the foot:
  
   http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=236
  
   You know what? It'd be worth Apple losing the case anyway. Just
   seeing that fake product box makes it all worth it.
  
   Digg It!
   http://www.digg.com/tech_news/iPhonegate_Cisco_s_sneaky_sticker
  
   Ryan
  
 
 
 
 
 
  Yahoo! Groups Links
 
 
 
 


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 ---
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 http://nextnewnetworks.com/
 http://shey.net/



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Re: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone

[T Shey]

Hey, just caught up with this thread... for the record,  tongue was
firmly planted in cheek when  talking about Apple being arrogant.
Sure they are, but who can't like seeing Apple give a jolt to a mobile
phone business that seems to conspire together to tolerate bad user
experience.

There was one nice product at CES that probably didn't get its due as
a result.  The new Nokia N800 tablet looks nice, will probably be
relatively affordable, and seems to have a clean and well-thought-out
OS.  Anyone had a chance to play with one?  I tried out its
predecessor, the 770, at a store in NYC the other day and was pretty
impressed.

http://www.nseries.com/products/n800/#l=products,n800
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/05/nokia-n800-internet-tablet-unboxed/

On 1/13/07, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 lol whoa yeah it does look like Cisco might have blown it, har har
 sticking a sticker that says 'iPhone' on the box of an existing
 product, does not seem likely to me to have preserved their trademark,
 fools!

 Cheers

 Steve Elbows

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Ozawa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On 1/11/07, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Oh yeah and the supreme arrongance of Apple winds me up - just
 why did
 they think they could get away with using the name iPhone when its
 already been trademarked?
 
  I'm an Apple fan, but also felt the same way. It seemed so blatant, so
  ridiculous, I was similarly confident that Cisco would have the rare
  opportunity to prevail over Apple and make the company eat a little
  humble pie.
 
  But it turns out, Cisco may have shot itself in the foot:
 
  http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=236
 
  You know what?  It'd be worth Apple losing the case anyway.  Just
  seeing that fake product box makes it all worth it.
 
  Digg It!
  http://www.digg.com/tech_news/iPhonegate_Cisco_s_sneaky_sticker
 
  Ryan
 





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Re: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone

[Ryan Ozawa]

On 1/11/07, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh yeah and the supreme arrongance of Apple winds me up - just why did
   they think they could get away with using the name iPhone when its
   already been trademarked?

I'm an Apple fan, but also felt the same way. It seemed so blatant, so
ridiculous, I was similarly confident that Cisco would have the rare
opportunity to prevail over Apple and make the company eat a little
humble pie.

But it turns out, Cisco may have shot itself in the foot:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=236

You know what?  It'd be worth Apple losing the case anyway.  Just
seeing that fake product box makes it all worth it.

Digg It!
http://www.digg.com/tech_news/iPhonegate_Cisco_s_sneaky_sticker

Ryan

Re: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone

[Mike Meiser]

On 1/9/07, T Shey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 To me, it just shows how arrogant Apple has become.

 For over a decade now, thousands of people in the mobile business have
 been putting out hundreds of variations on the mobile phone that were
 dependable for being mediocre, baffling to use, and ultimately
 unsatisfying for the customer.

I think to some degree your right, but two things three things.

1) this IS so called convergence... it is one step forward two steps back.

The thing is this sort of intensive hardware evolution takes time.
There are all sorts of false starts.

It started out with the PDA... but it turns out PDA wasn't THE killer
app... it's important but it's not the primary thing... it's now been
worked in as an important component, but none the less a secondary
component of voice communications... i.e. phones. But the use
scenarios for the PDA are now very polished.

The thing is we DON'T know where this is going... I mean... I think we
have a pretty good idea it's all about various forms of interpersonal
communicaitons including... email, IM, SMS, voice... and maybe what's
next is maybe multi-media communications... photo-sharing, video
sharing, audio and video podcasting... but nothing is certain.

It takes a long time, a lot of back and forth iterations to polish
these new features and figure out how important they really are and
how they should work.  And while we're used to things moving in web
time... this is NOT web based innovation... it's hardware. Hardware
innovation moves MUCh more slowly. With a website if you don't like
what's there today you can learn from it and kick out an improved
version tomorrow. However, with hardware the product cycle is like 9
months. It takes that long to take something you've learned from your
past products and your customers... and turn it around into a new
product.

Often times these pocket space or handheld devices need to diverge in
order to move forward. For example building a standalone music player,
the ipod... allowed apple to forget everything else and focus on just
the music experience... and I think we can pretty much say they made a
breakthrough.

BTW... it's also the same story with the blackberry they split out
the email functionality and focused in on it, and solved the
problem... and now apple is integrating ALL these things back together
in the iphone mp3/media player + voice communications + plus SMS
and email communications + some other crazy sh*t.

2) It may be arrogant of steve jobs... but then this is EXACTLY the
same story as the Mac in 1984, and in the iPod.  This is precisely
what apple's core competency is... taking computing and making it
supremely useable for everday people... of figuring out what IS
important and how it should work.

And, btw... while I don't agree with everything about apple (such as I
hate itunes lack of permalinks to audio and video podcasters) I do
think that they have really NAILED it with the iphone.


3) There is also ONE other thing I think is KEY to mobile computing.
That key is WEB... web as a whole is the new platform... full blown
web access once true end to end web comes to the mobile platform
innovation will EXPLODE... making all these innovations like mobile
email, SMS, picture phones... and anything else... look paltry by
comparison.  The reason why is simple... because once the
unencumbered, network neutral web is available to these device ANYONE
will be able to offer services to these devices and innovate... we're
talking geo-location and gps services... and... hell... I can't even
BEGIN to guess at what will happen.

That said there are still three major sticking points to the mobile web.

1) the network carriers themselves... they're notoriously backward...
they all want to be the gatekeepers, they all thing they can make more
profits by controlling everything on their network. Personally I think
the exact opposite is true.   What's interesting is with the
proliferation of wifi networks and cheap wifi integration on these
devices it may not matter what these cellular carriers think, they'll
no longer have a monopoly on the mobile web.  this is to say nothing
of wimax... which has a horizon of approximately 2-5 years here in the
u.s.

2) the mobile web as happens in the web browser... the web browser as
a platform... the iPhone supports Safari... and hence javascript...
this is a HUGE step forward.  It is a huge step toward unencumberd web
access... it means no more dummy web... wap, mmode and other tech
wasn't cutting it.  The day is coming when you'll have access to
ANYTHING on the mobile web that you had access to on the web we access
from our desktop computers everyday.

3) mobile computing as a platform... key services will need access to
more than just the web browser... they will need access to the mobile
platform... in this case developers will need acces to the mac OS on
apple's iPhone.  Apple hasn't revealed wether they'll alow this
access, and personally, I 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone

[Mike Meiser]

In considering the term revolutionary... and the much better term
innovation...

I think one must compare the new iPhone to microsoft's ipod killer the
zune...

... and laugh and laugh and laugh.

The ONLY innovation Microsoft made over the iPod after 100% nocking it
off... oh wait... they made the screen biigger... wow! now that's brilliant
innovation... credit where credi is due

anyway I was saying the only innovation microsoft made was adding wifi
sharing... and it is... sooo dam convoluted I think you'd be hard pressed to
find ANYONE who's ever used it.

I mean... who spends all that time money and energy to engineer wifi into a
device like that and then the only thing it does is some completely useless
convoluted social as Microsoft likes to call it.

Now compare that to the number and depth of innovations on the iPhone.

There is NO comparison... non... microsoft literally could not design
themselves out of a box.

And I'll tell you why.

Microsoft lacks ALL vision. They have none.  With the type of technical and
legal issues in the creation of the media market truely innovative products
require management with true vision high up in the value chain...  because
some UI or useability geek... or even some engineer is not going to be able
to overule some IDIOT suit further up the food chain on criticalusability
issues.

Quite simply put the zune is a premiere example of design by comitee.

On the other hand jobs maybe a tyrant, but he is a man of uncompromised
vision in touch with exactly what the consumer wants who seeks out brilliant
designers and engineers that are uncompromising and ruthless as him.

There couldn't be to companies that are more opposite of one another in
corporate culture.

The iphone is no where near as brilliant as the original mac... it's amazing
definitely... but all steve did was go around and collect the fragmentary
pieces of the puzzle from players like palm, and the blackberry... and
others and combine them together in one... ok... the way he combined them
was brilliant I can't deny it. It's just brilliant.

-Mike
mmeiser.com/blog
On 1/11/07, Gromik Tohoku [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 without quoting timshey out of proportion,

 On 1/9/07, T Shey [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote:
  To me, it just shows how arrogant Apple has become.

 I would like to comment that instead of concidering
 Apple as arrogant may looking at how Apple is
 revolutionising the industry, might be a better
 interpretation.

 After all, IMHO, microsoft and all its affiliations is
 not doing a whole lot to revolutionise my use of PC.
 Until Apple came up with the iPod, Microsoft was
 sitting still counting dollar bills.

 I am glad that Apple is giving the computer industry a
 well deserved ass kick up the donkey!

 Nicolas


 
 Gromik Nicolas
 Tohoku University
 Sendai, Japan
 fax=81-22-7647
 
 http://www.filmedworld.com/page.php?3
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RE: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone

[Michael Elsdoerfer]

 I would like to comment that instead of concidering
 Apple as arrogant may looking at how Apple is
 revolutionising the industry, might be a better
 interpretation.

Talking about arrogance, I found it interesting when the Google CEO came on
stage and said something along the lines of ...Google being, *we hope*, a
leading representative... - notice the two words between the commas. Maybe
it's just me, but at that point, I found a little bit of modesty quite
refreshing.

I don't hate Apple, I own a MacBook, I think the iPhone looks fabulous, and
yes, I know this is a marketing event, but after hearing for about an hour
how everything Apple has ever touched is either the greatest, the best
(optionally also: in the world), coolest, the most powerful, most popular,
most innovative, fastest, most beautiful, have I mentioned the best? Etc. -
I just have this urge to go and buy Windows Vista.

 -Original Message-
 From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Gromik Tohoku
 Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:50 AM
 To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone
 
 without quoting timshey out of proportion,
 
 On 1/9/07, T Shey [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote:
  To me, it just shows how arrogant Apple has become.
 
 I would like to comment that instead of concidering
 Apple as arrogant may looking at how Apple is
 revolutionising the industry, might be a better
 interpretation.
 
 After all, IMHO, microsoft and all its affiliations is
 not doing a whole lot to revolutionise my use of PC.
 Until Apple came up with the iPod, Microsoft was
 sitting still counting dollar bills.
 
 I am glad that Apple is giving the computer industry a
 well deserved ass kick up the donkey!
 
 Nicolas
 
 
 Gromik Nicolas
 Tohoku University
 Sendai, Japan
 fax=81-22-7647
 
 http://www.filmedworld.com/page.php?3
 http://www.filmedworld.com/page.php?3
 http://nag-productions.blip.tv/? http://nag-productions.blip.tv/?
 http://sendai-city-tourism-tohoku-university.blip.tv/ http://sendai-city-
 tourism-tohoku-university.blip.tv/
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone

[sull]

I am usually conflicted with Apple, Inc.

The Apple Style sucks you in, repeatedly.
But for me, it doesnt take long to realize that Apple is not as great as
their image expresses.
None of their products are overwhelmingly better. NONE.
I am not talking about a Feature.  I am talking about the over product.

I think the iPhone is revolutionary in that it raises the bar and speeds up
the industry to start making better products that are hybrid media and
communication devices.  So the revolutionary aspect that i see is how it
changes things, not what it and it itself actually is and can do today.

The iPhone name sucks, btw.  they suck at naming things.  iTunes iPod etc.
horrible names that do a poor job of representing what the product is.

Apple also doesnt reach out to grass roots media makers.  They look down,
not up.
The are quite unrevolutionary when it comes to Open Standards.

I wont be buying one.  Not until they open up more and provide at least a
20gb version.
I still rather have a free crap phone and an archos 604wifi.

sull

On 1/11/07, Michael Elsdoerfer [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:

I would like to comment that instead of concidering
  Apple as arrogant may looking at how Apple is
  revolutionising the industry, might be a better
  interpretation.

 Talking about arrogance, I found it interesting when the Google CEO came
 on
 stage and said something along the lines of ...Google being, *we hope*, a
 leading representative... - notice the two words between the commas.
 Maybe
 it's just me, but at that point, I found a little bit of modesty quite
 refreshing.

 I don't hate Apple, I own a MacBook, I think the iPhone looks fabulous,
 and
 yes, I know this is a marketing event, but after hearing for about an hour
 how everything Apple has ever touched is either the greatest, the best
 (optionally also: in the world), coolest, the most powerful, most popular,
 most innovative, fastest, most beautiful, have I mentioned the best? Etc.
 -
 I just have this urge to go and buy Windows Vista.

  -Original Message-
  From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
  videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com[mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com
 ]
  On Behalf Of Gromik Tohoku
  Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:50 AM
  To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone
 
  without quoting timshey out of proportion,
 
  On 1/9/07, T Shey [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote:
   To me, it just shows how arrogant Apple has become.
 
  I would like to comment that instead of concidering
  Apple as arrogant may looking at how Apple is
  revolutionising the industry, might be a better
  interpretation.
 
  After all, IMHO, microsoft and all its affiliations is
  not doing a whole lot to revolutionise my use of PC.
  Until Apple came up with the iPod, Microsoft was
  sitting still counting dollar bills.
 
  I am glad that Apple is giving the computer industry a
  well deserved ass kick up the donkey!
 
  Nicolas
 
  
  Gromik Nicolas
  Tohoku University
  Sendai, Japan
  fax=81-22-7647
  
  http://www.filmedworld.com/page.php?3
  http://www.filmedworld.com/page.php?3
  http://nag-productions.blip.tv/?  http://nag-productions.blip.tv/?
  http://sendai-city-tourism-tohoku-university.blip.tv/ http://sendai-city-
  tourism-tohoku-university.blip.tv/
 
  Send instant messages to your online friends
 http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone

[Digital Buddha]

why does it need to be a young hacker? ;)

On 1/9/07, Joshua Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Either way, I'm sure some enterprising young hacker will find a way
 to install apps onto it.

 If it syncs with iTunes, then at the very least RSS is available to
 it (via sync). I'm going to assume QuickTime is implemented at some
 level, too. Plus, if Safari is full-featured, then that opens
 Javascript-QuickTime communication.

 Is Flash there? Not sure. If not, it may be Apple's way to stem the
 tide.

 I guess the ultimate question will be how bare-bones the OSX install
 is, and how much control you can have.


 On Jan 9, 2007, at 11:58 AM, sull wrote:

  do you think osx is open to users or confined to approved
  applications?
 
  can we play any media format? FLV?
 
  the video cam capture has me curious as well. can you stream video
  to others or only record then send?
 
  i knew that phone devices were going to evolve into powerful mobile
  computers that can do most of what you do on a laptop
  and even since its a June 07 release, i suppose thats about 6-12
  months sooner than i expected to have something as awesome as this
  iPhone.
  definately revolutionary.
 
  i just hope that there are not any weird stipulations with what
  users can do on this device... user-freedoms... as they are
  partnered with both web giants and ATT.
 
  of course we all want to forge ahead with RSS to aggregate media
  direct to devices.
  but its still an open question whether or not we can use anything
  beyond this iPhone version of safari and other built-in apps on the
  iPhone. can we install our own media aggregators? how can we use
  RSS on this thing?
 
  either way, it does reveal a lot to us about how things will
  evolve/change around this devices June release.
  how it changes focus and needs and plans.
 
  the future is near. the future is fast.
 
  sull
 
  On 1/9/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] enric%40cirne.com wrote:
  And here's the current specs I found:
 
  http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/specs.html
 
  Technical Specifications
  Screen size 3.5 inches
  Screen resolution 320 by 480 at 160 ppi
  Input method Multi-touch
  Operating system OS X
  Storage 4GB or 8GB
  GSM Quad-band (MHz: 850, 900, 1800, 1900)
  Wireless data Wi-Fi (802.11b/g) + EDGE + Bluetooth 2.0
  Camera 2.0 megapixels
  Battery
 
  * Up to 5 hours Talk / Video / Browsing
  * Up to 16 hours Audio playback
 
  Dimensions 4.5 x 2.4 x 0.46 inches / 115 x 61 x 11.6mm
  Weight 4.8 ounces / 135 grams
 
  -- Enric
 
  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]mobilemediaworkgroup%40yahoogroups.com,
 Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  
   I'm just watching the end of the Apple Keynote on the engadget blog
   running abbreviated transcript with photos:
  
   http://tinyurl.com/yyfb9f
  
   It looks like the iPhone will set the new standard for a fully
  capable
   computer, rich media experience phone. I'm waiting to see what the
   reviews and usage is as it gets out to people.
  
   -- Enric
  
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone

[Markus Sandy]

long compile times? ;)


On Jan 10, 2007, at 9:24 AM, Digital Buddha wrote:

 why does it need to be a young hacker? ;)

  On 1/9/07, Joshua Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Either way, I'm sure some enterprising young hacker will find a way
   to install apps onto it.
  



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Re: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone

[Michael Verdi]

Ryanne and I did a quick video about the iPhone and Apple TV as they relate
to videoblogging:
http://www.freevlog.org/index.php/2007/01/09/iphone-apple-tv-first-look/

-Verdi

On 1/10/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   While viewing the rotation iPhone in it's case I asked a Apple rep.
 next to me if there'll be a development system for developers writing
 apps to the iPhone. She said to contact apple to do that.

 -- Enric


 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com,
 Joshua Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Either way, I'm sure some enterprising young hacker will find a way
  to install apps onto it.
 
  If it syncs with iTunes, then at the very least RSS is available to
  it (via sync). I'm going to assume QuickTime is implemented at some
  level, too. Plus, if Safari is full-featured, then that opens
  Javascript-QuickTime communication.
 
  Is Flash there? Not sure. If not, it may be Apple's way to stem the
  tide.
 
  I guess the ultimate question will be how bare-bones the OSX install
  is, and how much control you can have.
 
  On Jan 9, 2007, at 11:58 AM, sull wrote:
 
   do you think osx is open to users or confined to approved
   applications?
  
   can we play any media format? FLV?
  
   the video cam capture has me curious as well. can you stream video
   to others or only record then send?
  
   i knew that phone devices were going to evolve into powerful mobile
   computers that can do most of what you do on a laptop
   and even since its a June 07 release, i suppose thats about 6-12
   months sooner than i expected to have something as awesome as this
   iPhone.
   definately revolutionary.
  
   i just hope that there are not any weird stipulations with what
   users can do on this device... user-freedoms... as they are
   partnered with both web giants and ATT.
  
   of course we all want to forge ahead with RSS to aggregate media
   direct to devices.
   but its still an open question whether or not we can use anything
   beyond this iPhone version of safari and other built-in apps on the
   iPhone. can we install our own media aggregators? how can we use
   RSS on this thing?
  
   either way, it does reveal a lot to us about how things will
   evolve/change around this devices June release.
   how it changes focus and needs and plans.
  
   the future is near. the future is fast.
  
   sull
  
   On 1/9/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   And here's the current specs I found:
  
   http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/specs.html
  
   Technical Specifications
   Screen size 3.5 inches
   Screen resolution 320 by 480 at 160 ppi
   Input method Multi-touch
   Operating system OS X
   Storage 4GB or 8GB
   GSM Quad-band (MHz: 850, 900, 1800, 1900)
   Wireless data Wi-Fi (802.11b/g) + EDGE + Bluetooth 2.0
   Camera 2.0 megapixels
   Battery
  
   * Up to 5 hours Talk / Video / Browsing
   * Up to 16 hours Audio playback
  
   Dimensions 4.5 x 2.4 x 0.46 inches / 115 x 61 x 11.6mm
   Weight 4.8 ounces / 135 grams
  
   -- Enric
  
   --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]mobilemediaworkgroup%40yahoogroups.com,
 Enric enric@
   wrote:
   
I'm just watching the end of the Apple Keynote on the engadget blog
running abbreviated transcript with photos:
   
http://tinyurl.com/yyfb9f
   
It looks like the iPhone will set the new standard for a fully
   capable
computer, rich media experience phone. I'm waiting to see what the
reviews and usage is as it gets out to people.
   
-- Enric
   
  
  
  
  
  
   --
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   http://vlogdir.com (a project)
   http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog)
   http://interdigitate.com (otherly)
  
  
 
 
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone

[andrew michael baron]

And java. 

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sull wrote:
 
  do you think osx is open to users or confined to approved applications?
 
 I feel like they will push widgets as the primary application model for 
developers. Just my guy instinct based on issues around deployment, updating, 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone

[Mike Meiser]

Ha, I'm here.

I just have so much to say I don't even know where to begin.

Mostly I'm excited because this is a HUGE leap forward for not just
the mobile web... the extension of network neutrality principles to
the mobile web.

But also because it illustrates apple REALLY, REALLY get's mobile computing.

Specifically mobile computing is ALL about communications.

This device is heavily hevily focused on personal / inter-personal
communications.

voice, IM, SMS, picture sharing and so much more

it also supports audio and video podcasting but apple hasn't yet cut
the sync cable.

This is to say... it makes no sense... that you should be walking
around or sitting at your desk at work with this marelous piece of
tech with wifi and GSM in your pocket or sitting on your desktop with
the same old podcasts and videos from when you left home in the
morning.  Why should it be teathered to one desktop computer with a
sync cable.

Why should such a marvelous piece of tech NOT aggregate your latest
audio or video podcasts directly from the web so that anytime you pick
it up it has new stuff.

And for that matter why when you buy anything from the itunes store
why should it not be automatically delivered to the device.

Why should you have to carry it home each night to sync it?  And what
if you go out of town for a few days... why should you not have access
to your latest podcasts, videos and media wherever you are?

These are the same questions people have asked of email and I expect
they will come to the same conclusions... building both webservices
for audio and video podcast management... and building support onto
hardware devices much like the blackberry.

In fact, I dare say, that much like mobile email. Mobile podcast
aggregation will one day be a killer app on the mobile computing
platform.

At this point... do to the questions the new iPhone asks... though the
answers have not yet been given this vision that media should flow
directly from the web to your device is pretty much inevitable.  It is
inevitable because it is where the questions lead, and have been
leading since Microsoft put wifi in the Zune, though they did nothing
with it.  Indeed, the editors of the Chicago suntimes, the Wall Street
Journal, and the NYTimes even asked such questions.  Why should I have
to sync the such a device when it has wifi built in?   The answer is
you shouldn't. The answer is... there's no reason why you such a
device should ever be teathered to a single desktop computer again.

That said, direct to device aggregation of podcasts and purchases
probably wasn't an extremely high priority with apple given the
tremendous amount of features in this new iPhone device... but I
suspect that one way or another aggregation will be coming to this
device soon.   Especially since it appears to be running some basic
version of Mac OSX. I would hope in fact that Fireant or Democracy
will be ported to it soon.  I think i'll be a SUPERB platform for
Democracy in particular. The Democracy interface was made to run on
the iPhone over wifi.

One last thing... people keep bitching about cellular data and
aggregation.  They keep saying... cellular networks aren't fast
enough... even if they were they'd never allow it... Well screw the
cellular networks... if they're not fast enough or too closed who
cares. Podcasting and videoblogging does NOT require always on
connectivity... all it requires is that when you go to pick up your
iphone there's something new.

One final thing. One reason I'm so obsessed with bringing audio and
video podcasting to the mobile web is because moving them beyond the
desktop will not only enhance the power and ubiquity of open access
media... think digital divide... think one laptop per child think
limited portable computing droping in price and becoming ubiquitous
all aroudn the world...but also they will enhance video
podcasting, video sharing, and audio podcasting's value as means of
inter-personal communications in much the same way the blackberry and
so called mobile email enhances the communications value of email.

Ubiquity, ease of use, and in the future a constant drop in the price
of hardware and connectivity are the key.

Oh, and speaking of connectivity, apple talked about a new focus on
wimax with some partnership. If wimax ever pans out we'll be talking
about a ubiquitous broadband network that's easier and cheaper to
install and maintain than todays cellular networks... which is pretty
interestng because cellular networks have already penetrated some of
the farthest corners of the planet.

It all ads up to a completely new and very distruptive communications paradigm.

Peace,

-Mike
mmeiser.com/blog
mefeedia.com
intermediated.com
evilvlog.com

On 1/9/07, Nathan Freitas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 sull wrote:
 
  do you think osx is open to users or confined to approved applications?
 
 I feel like they will push widgets as the primary application model for
 developers. Just my guy instinct 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone

[David King]

You said Why should it be teathered to one desktop computer with a
sync cable.

That one's easy - it's so Apple can sell TWO things... :-)

David

On 1/9/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Ha, I'm here.

 I just have so much to say I don't even know where to begin.

 Mostly I'm excited because this is a HUGE leap forward for not just
 the mobile web... the extension of network neutrality principles to
 the mobile web.

 But also because it illustrates apple REALLY, REALLY get's mobile
 computing.

 Specifically mobile computing is ALL about communications.

 This device is heavily hevily focused on personal / inter-personal
 communications.

 voice, IM, SMS, picture sharing and so much more

 it also supports audio and video podcasting but apple hasn't yet cut
 the sync cable.

 This is to say... it makes no sense... that you should be walking
 around or sitting at your desk at work with this marelous piece of
 tech with wifi and GSM in your pocket or sitting on your desktop with
 the same old podcasts and videos from when you left home in the
 morning. Why should it be teathered to one desktop computer with a
 sync cable.

 Why should such a marvelous piece of tech NOT aggregate your latest
 audio or video podcasts directly from the web so that anytime you pick
 it up it has new stuff.

 And for that matter why when you buy anything from the itunes store
 why should it not be automatically delivered to the device.

 Why should you have to carry it home each night to sync it? And what
 if you go out of town for a few days... why should you not have access
 to your latest podcasts, videos and media wherever you are?

 These are the same questions people have asked of email and I expect
 they will come to the same conclusions... building both webservices
 for audio and video podcast management... and building support onto
 hardware devices much like the blackberry.

 In fact, I dare say, that much like mobile email. Mobile podcast
 aggregation will one day be a killer app on the mobile computing
 platform.

 At this point... do to the questions the new iPhone asks... though the
 answers have not yet been given this vision that media should flow
 directly from the web to your device is pretty much inevitable. It is
 inevitable because it is where the questions lead, and have been
 leading since Microsoft put wifi in the Zune, though they did nothing
 with it. Indeed, the editors of the Chicago suntimes, the Wall Street
 Journal, and the NYTimes even asked such questions. Why should I have
 to sync the such a device when it has wifi built in? The answer is
 you shouldn't. The answer is... there's no reason why you such a
 device should ever be teathered to a single desktop computer again.

 That said, direct to device aggregation of podcasts and purchases
 probably wasn't an extremely high priority with apple given the
 tremendous amount of features in this new iPhone device... but I
 suspect that one way or another aggregation will be coming to this
 device soon. Especially since it appears to be running some basic
 version of Mac OSX. I would hope in fact that Fireant or Democracy
 will be ported to it soon. I think i'll be a SUPERB platform for
 Democracy in particular. The Democracy interface was made to run on
 the iPhone over wifi.

 One last thing... people keep bitching about cellular data and
 aggregation. They keep saying... cellular networks aren't fast
 enough... even if they were they'd never allow it... Well screw the
 cellular networks... if they're not fast enough or too closed who
 cares. Podcasting and videoblogging does NOT require always on
 connectivity... all it requires is that when you go to pick up your
 iphone there's something new.

 One final thing. One reason I'm so obsessed with bringing audio and
 video podcasting to the mobile web is because moving them beyond the
 desktop will not only enhance the power and ubiquity of open access
 media... think digital divide... think one laptop per child think
 limited portable computing droping in price and becoming ubiquitous
 all aroudn the world... but also they will enhance video
 podcasting, video sharing, and audio podcasting's value as means of
 inter-personal communications in much the same way the blackberry and
 so called mobile email enhances the communications value of email.

 Ubiquity, ease of use, and in the future a constant drop in the price
 of hardware and connectivity are the key.

 Oh, and speaking of connectivity, apple talked about a new focus on
 wimax with some partnership. If wimax ever pans out we'll be talking
 about a ubiquitous broadband network that's easier and cheaper to
 install and maintain than todays cellular networks... which is pretty
 interestng because cellular networks have already penetrated some of
 the farthest corners of the planet.

 It all ads up to a completely new and very distruptive communications
 paradigm.

 Peace,

 -Mike
 mmeiser.com/blog
 mefeedia.com
 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone

[Mike Meiser]

On 1/9/07, David King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You said Why should it be teathered to one desktop computer with a
 sync cable.

 That one's easy - it's so Apple can sell TWO things... :-)

 David



Precicely, Apple's digital hub strategy. :)

But if they don't cut the umbilical cord, someone else is going to because
at this point their sacrificing a tremendous amount of obvious functionality
and value to keep the iPhone and iPod tethered.

I'm telling you, mobile video blogging  and video sharing is coming... both
sides of the coing the consumptive side and production side.

-Mike
mmeiser.com/blog
mefeedia.com

On 1/9/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
Ha, I'm here.
 
  I just have so much to say I don't even know where to begin.
 
  Mostly I'm excited because this is a HUGE leap forward for not just
  the mobile web... the extension of network neutrality principles to
  the mobile web.
 
  But also because it illustrates apple REALLY, REALLY get's mobile
  computing.
 
  Specifically mobile computing is ALL about communications.
 
  This device is heavily hevily focused on personal / inter-personal
  communications.
 
  voice, IM, SMS, picture sharing and so much more
 
  it also supports audio and video podcasting but apple hasn't yet cut
  the sync cable.
 
  This is to say... it makes no sense... that you should be walking
  around or sitting at your desk at work with this marelous piece of
  tech with wifi and GSM in your pocket or sitting on your desktop with
  the same old podcasts and videos from when you left home in the
  morning. Why should it be teathered to one desktop computer with a
  sync cable.
 
  Why should such a marvelous piece of tech NOT aggregate your latest
  audio or video podcasts directly from the web so that anytime you pick
  it up it has new stuff.
 
  And for that matter why when you buy anything from the itunes store
  why should it not be automatically delivered to the device.
 
  Why should you have to carry it home each night to sync it? And what
  if you go out of town for a few days... why should you not have access
  to your latest podcasts, videos and media wherever you are?
 
  These are the same questions people have asked of email and I expect
  they will come to the same conclusions... building both webservices
  for audio and video podcast management... and building support onto
  hardware devices much like the blackberry.
 
  In fact, I dare say, that much like mobile email. Mobile podcast
  aggregation will one day be a killer app on the mobile computing
  platform.
 
  At this point... do to the questions the new iPhone asks... though the
  answers have not yet been given this vision that media should flow
  directly from the web to your device is pretty much inevitable. It is
  inevitable because it is where the questions lead, and have been
  leading since Microsoft put wifi in the Zune, though they did nothing
  with it. Indeed, the editors of the Chicago suntimes, the Wall Street
  Journal, and the NYTimes even asked such questions. Why should I have
  to sync the such a device when it has wifi built in? The answer is
  you shouldn't. The answer is... there's no reason why you such a
  device should ever be teathered to a single desktop computer again.
 
  That said, direct to device aggregation of podcasts and purchases
  probably wasn't an extremely high priority with apple given the
  tremendous amount of features in this new iPhone device... but I
  suspect that one way or another aggregation will be coming to this
  device soon. Especially since it appears to be running some basic
  version of Mac OSX. I would hope in fact that Fireant or Democracy
  will be ported to it soon. I think i'll be a SUPERB platform for
  Democracy in particular. The Democracy interface was made to run on
  the iPhone over wifi.
 
  One last thing... people keep bitching about cellular data and
  aggregation. They keep saying... cellular networks aren't fast
  enough... even if they were they'd never allow it... Well screw the
  cellular networks... if they're not fast enough or too closed who
  cares. Podcasting and videoblogging does NOT require always on
  connectivity... all it requires is that when you go to pick up your
  iphone there's something new.
 
  One final thing. One reason I'm so obsessed with bringing audio and
  video podcasting to the mobile web is because moving them beyond the
  desktop will not only enhance the power and ubiquity of open access
  media... think digital divide... think one laptop per child think
  limited portable computing droping in price and becoming ubiquitous
  all aroudn the world... but also they will enhance video
  podcasting, video sharing, and audio podcasting's value as means of
  inter-personal communications in much the same way the blackberry and
  so called mobile email enhances the communications value of email.
 
  Ubiquity, ease of use, and in the future a constant drop in the price
  of 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: [video_vertigo] iPhone

[T Shey]

To me, it just shows how arrogant Apple has become.

For over a decade now, thousands of people in the mobile business have
been putting out hundreds of variations on the mobile phone that were
dependable for being mediocre, baffling to use, and ultimately
unsatisfying for the customer.

For every new innovation we got in a mobile phone, we usually got two
steps back.  Blackberry finally makes a decent email experience, then
they (or the carriers who approve their designs) refuse to support
IMAP.We finally get phones that can play music, and they lock us
down with restrictions on what music and where we can download it.
We finally get a nice thin phone in the RAZR, and it still has the
same OS that was on your Motorola three years before, that can't have
two phone numbers for one person.  We finally get WiFi, but they
decide to leave out a camera or music player (some of you N Series
phones, we're talking about you).  And so on, so we end up buying a
phone, rapidly getting sick of what it can't do, and counting the days
til we can get a new one, which for most people actually means years.

But then Apple comes in and thinks they can wipe the slate clean and
make a phone that looks beautiful, is also an iPod and camera and a
fully functional internet-ready computer, and has a brand new user
interface that emphasizes how people really want to use a phone. And
they don't even have the courtesy to do it with RIM or Nokia or
Motorola or some other company that really knows how to make
unsatisfying phones and keep us buying them with tiny little
improvements from year to year to year.  They do the whole thing in
secret with their in-house teams, the same people who make MacBooks
and iPods.

Seriously, who do the people at Apple think they are?  And what are
they trying to do, make us never want to buy another kind of phone
again?


On 1/9/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ha, I'm here.

 I just have so much to say I don't even know where to begin.

 Mostly I'm excited because this is a HUGE leap forward for not just
 the mobile web... the extension of network neutrality principles to
 the mobile web.

 But also because it illustrates apple REALLY, REALLY get's mobile computing.

 Specifically mobile computing is ALL about communications.

 This device is heavily hevily focused on personal / inter-personal
 communications.

 voice, IM, SMS, picture sharing and so much more

 it also supports audio and video podcasting but apple hasn't yet cut
 the sync cable.

 This is to say... it makes no sense... that you should be walking
 around or sitting at your desk at work with this marelous piece of
 tech with wifi and GSM in your pocket or sitting on your desktop with
 the same old podcasts and videos from when you left home in the
 morning.  Why should it be teathered to one desktop computer with a
 sync cable.

 Why should such a marvelous piece of tech NOT aggregate your latest
 audio or video podcasts directly from the web so that anytime you pick
 it up it has new stuff.

 And for that matter why when you buy anything from the itunes store
 why should it not be automatically delivered to the device.

 Why should you have to carry it home each night to sync it?  And what
 if you go out of town for a few days... why should you not have access
 to your latest podcasts, videos and media wherever you are?

 These are the same questions people have asked of email and I expect
 they will come to the same conclusions... building both webservices
 for audio and video podcast management... and building support onto
 hardware devices much like the blackberry.

 In fact, I dare say, that much like mobile email. Mobile podcast
 aggregation will one day be a killer app on the mobile computing
 platform.

 At this point... do to the questions the new iPhone asks... though the
 answers have not yet been given this vision that media should flow
 directly from the web to your device is pretty much inevitable.  It is
 inevitable because it is where the questions lead, and have been
 leading since Microsoft put wifi in the Zune, though they did nothing
 with it.  Indeed, the editors of the Chicago suntimes, the Wall Street
 Journal, and the NYTimes even asked such questions.  Why should I have
 to sync the such a device when it has wifi built in?   The answer is
 you shouldn't. The answer is... there's no reason why you such a
 device should ever be teathered to a single desktop computer again.

 That said, direct to device aggregation of podcasts and purchases
 probably wasn't an extremely high priority with apple given the
 tremendous amount of features in this new iPhone device... but I
 suspect that one way or another aggregation will be coming to this
 device soon.   Especially since it appears to be running some basic
 version of Mac OSX. I would hope in fact that Fireant or Democracy
 will be ported to it soon.  I think i'll be a SUPERB platform for
 Democracy in particular. The Democracy interface was made to