[Videolib] Copyright searches for videotape
Dear colleagues: The University at Albany, SUNY, is in the process of weeding VHS materials held in our general collection, all of which was commercially produced. Regarding those titles for which a more current format is not available we will need to obtain copyright clearance before we consider reformatting. We are wondering if there are other educational institutions that have worked through a project such as this that have video copyright searching documentation tools or data that they would be willing to share to assist us. Thank you in advance for your input and advice. Best, Karen E.K. Brown Head, Preservation Department University at Albany Libraries 1400 Washington Ave, Room SL 310 Albany, NY 1 Tel. (518) 437 3923 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Donation of DVDs and Publishers
Thanks Jessica. The publisher does not give any explanation. Their website have multiple pricing and just says Educational/Library and describes it as for classroom use. No mention of the law. Farhad Moshiri, MLS Post-Masters Advanced Study Certificate Audiovisual Music Librarian University of the Incarnate Word 4301 Broadway - CPO 297 San Antonio, TX 78209 210-829-3842 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner [maddux2...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:26 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Donation of DVDs and Publishers I think it would depend on a few things. In theory a publisher/ distributor can require certain terms to be met in order to buy a film but they would pretty much have to either be spelled out in a signed contract or at least have one of those I have read and agreed to these conditions kind of check out. It is clearly not illegal to use a legal copy in a classroom but the prof MAY be violating a contract and though I can't see it happening a distributor could ask for the copy back claiming it was illegally obtained. I assume that the title is sold only directly by the publisher and not through third parties as that would pretty much negate any ability to enforce a contract. Just out of curiosity does the publishers site allege that institutions must obtain rights to use in classroom as a matter of law or just have multiple prices without that detail. I will leave the ethics side to you but I think in general that once a title is sold to individuals the cat is out of the bag. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Moshiri, Farhad mosh...@uiwtx.edumailto:mosh...@uiwtx.edu wrote: Dear all, I've noticed in recent years there were discussions about some vendors asking libraries to purchase DVDs with license for face-to-face classroom use. We all know this is an arbitrary requirement not in the copyright law. One of our faculty asked me to purchase a DVD that falls into this dilemma. When I told her that the publisher is asking us to purchase the DVD with educational licensing for classroom use, she told me what about I purchase it as an individual and donate it to the library? My question is that will the library have any legal problem if it accepts the donation and add the DVD to its collection and circulate it for home or face-to-face classroom viewing? Thanks. Farhad Moshiri, MLS Post-Masters Advanced Study Certificate Audiovisual Music Librarian University of the Incarnate Word 4301 Broadway - CPO 297 San Antonio, TX 78209 210-829-3842tel:210-829-3842 This email and any files transmitted with it may be confidential or contain privileged information and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email and any attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately delete the email and any attachments from your system and notify the sender. Any other use of this e-mail is prohibited. Thank you for your compliance. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Donation of DVDs and Publishers
Well I give them credit for that. I understand why the multiple pricing is done but I think the only way it can work is if publisher insists on clear contract which could take the form of a I have read and agreed to these conditions type check out. I just don't think most do that. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Moshiri, Farhad mosh...@uiwtx.edu wrote: Thanks Jessica. The publisher does not give any explanation. Their website have multiple pricing and just says Educational/Library and describes it as for classroom use. No mention of the law. Farhad Moshiri, MLS Post-Masters Advanced Study Certificate Audiovisual Music Librarian University of the Incarnate Word 4301 Broadway - CPO 297 San Antonio, TX 78209 210-829-3842 -- *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [ videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner [ maddux2...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:26 AM *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Donation of DVDs and Publishers I think it would depend on a few things. In theory a publisher/ distributor can require certain terms to be met in order to buy a film but they would pretty much have to either be spelled out in a signed contract or at least have one of those I have read and agreed to these conditions kind of check out. It is clearly not illegal to use a legal copy in a classroom but the prof MAY be violating a contract and though I can't see it happening a distributor could ask for the copy back claiming it was illegally obtained. I assume that the title is sold only directly by the publisher and not through third parties as that would pretty much negate any ability to enforce a contract. Just out of curiosity does the publishers site allege that institutions must obtain rights to use in classroom as a matter of law or just have multiple prices without that detail. I will leave the ethics side to you but I think in general that once a title is sold to individuals the cat is out of the bag. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Moshiri, Farhad mosh...@uiwtx.edu wrote: Dear all, I've noticed in recent years there were discussions about some vendors asking libraries to purchase DVDs with license for face-to-face classroom use. We all know this is an arbitrary requirement not in the copyright law. One of our faculty asked me to purchase a DVD that falls into this dilemma. When I told her that the publisher is asking us to purchase the DVD with educational licensing for classroom use, she told me what about I purchase it as an individual and donate it to the library? My question is that will the library have any legal problem if it accepts the donation and add the DVD to its collection and circulate it for home or face-to-face classroom viewing? Thanks. Farhad Moshiri, MLS Post-Masters Advanced Study Certificate Audiovisual Music Librarian University of the Incarnate Word 4301 Broadway - CPO 297 San Antonio, TX 78209 210-829-3842 -- This email and any files transmitted with it may be confidential or contain privileged information and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email and any attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately delete the email and any attachments from your system and notify the sender. Any other use of this e-mail is prohibited. Thank you for your compliance. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video
Re: [Videolib] Copyright searches for videotape
Well at the risk of being jumped on VHS does not fit the copyright code definition of an obsolete format so unless you document that every VHS you are weeding is literally in the process of deteriorating not just a pain in the neck to use the law does not let you make digital copies. I have VHS copies that are 30 years old and just fine and would a lot worse if I transferred them to digital format. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Brown, Karen E kebr...@albany.edu wrote: Dear colleagues: The University at Albany, SUNY, is in the process of weeding VHS materials held in our general collection, all of which was commercially produced. Regarding those titles for which a more current format is not available we will need to obtain copyright clearance before we consider reformatting. We are wondering if there are other educational institutions that have worked through a project such as this that have “video copyright searching” documentation tools or data that they would be willing to share to assist us. Thank you in advance for your input and advice. Best, Karen E.K. Brown Head, Preservation Department University at Albany Libraries 1400 Washington Ave, Room SL 310 Albany, NY 1 Tel. (518) 437 3923 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Copyright searches for videotape
Thank you, Jessica. I suppose we can also make a case based on age and use that items in our collection are deteriorating. Our problem is that most of our patrons don’t have a VHS player at home; there are none in our classrooms. The material, as a result, is not being used. Those that are consist of off-beat titles that aren’t the major candidates for publishers to migrate forward to a more popular media. These, and the so-called “orphan works”, will be our biggest challenge in clearing permissions to reformat. Best, Karen From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:31 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Copyright searches for videotape Well at the risk of being jumped on VHS does not fit the copyright code definition of an obsolete format so unless you document that every VHS you are weeding is literally in the process of deteriorating not just a pain in the neck to use the law does not let you make digital copies. I have VHS copies that are 30 years old and just fine and would a lot worse if I transferred them to digital format. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Brown, Karen E kebr...@albany.edumailto:kebr...@albany.edu wrote: Dear colleagues: The University at Albany, SUNY, is in the process of weeding VHS materials held in our general collection, all of which was commercially produced. Regarding those titles for which a more current format is not available we will need to obtain copyright clearance before we consider reformatting. We are wondering if there are other educational institutions that have worked through a project such as this that have “video copyright searching” documentation tools or data that they would be willing to share to assist us. Thank you in advance for your input and advice. Best, Karen E.K. Brown Head, Preservation Department University at Albany Libraries 1400 Washington Ave, Room SL 310 Albany, NY 1 Tel. (518) 437 3923tel:%28518%29%20437%203923 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Copyright searches for videotape
the catch 22 is that when institutions make copies of out of print VHS titles it makes it that much harder for rights holder to justify the enormous cost of putting smaller titles out in digital format. In theory libraries say they will be only to glad to upgrade to a legal copy if one is released but in reality rights holders can't count on that. Ironically I think this is pushing some rights holders to have titles only available via stream or download which libraries hate. Also the law is VERY clear that if you make copies they may not ever be checked out for home use and there is an intense debate ( focusing on the definition of premise) if they may in fact ever leave the library to be used in a classroom. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Brown, Karen E kebr...@albany.edu wrote: Thank you, Jessica. I suppose we can also make a case based on age and use that items in our collection are deteriorating. Our problem is that most of our patrons don’t have a VHS player at home; there are none in our classrooms. The material, as a result, is not being used. Those that are consist of off-beat titles that aren’t the major candidates for publishers to migrate forward to a more popular media. These, and the so-called “orphan works”, will be our biggest challenge in clearing permissions to reformat. Best, Karen *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner *Sent:* Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:31 PM *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Copyright searches for videotape Well at the risk of being jumped on VHS does not fit the copyright code definition of an obsolete format so unless you document that every VHS you are weeding is literally in the process of deteriorating not just a pain in the neck to use the law does not let you make digital copies. I have VHS copies that are 30 years old and just fine and would a lot worse if I transferred them to digital format. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Brown, Karen E kebr...@albany.edu wrote: Dear colleagues: The University at Albany, SUNY, is in the process of weeding VHS materials held in our general collection, all of which was commercially produced. Regarding those titles for which a more current format is not available we will need to obtain copyright clearance before we consider reformatting. We are wondering if there are other educational institutions that have worked through a project such as this that have “video copyright searching” documentation tools or data that they would be willing to share to assist us. Thank you in advance for your input and advice. Best, Karen E.K. Brown Head, Preservation Department University at Albany Libraries 1400 Washington Ave, Room SL 310 Albany, NY 1 Tel. (518) 437 3923 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Copyright searches for videotape
Karen, Although Howard Besser and Walter Forsberg's work on the Video at Risk project mostly had to do with reformatting deteriorating VHS, there may still be useful information here about how they went about searching for and contacting copyright holders. http://www.nyu.edu/tisch/preservation/research/video-risk/ http://www.nyu.edu/tisch/preservation/research/video-risk/VideoAtRisk_SECTION108_Guidelines_2013.pdf Cheers, Matt ___ Matt Ball Director, Woodruff Library Pace Academy 966 W. Paces Ferry Rd. Atlanta, GA 30327 mb...@paceacademy.org videolib@lists.berkeley.edu writes: Thank you, Jessica. I suppose we can also make a case based on age and use that items in our collection are deteriorating. Our problem is that most of our patrons don’t have a VHS player at home; there are none in our classrooms. The material, as a result, is not being used. Those that are consist of off-beat titles that aren’t the major candidates for publishers to migrate forward to a more popular media. These, and the so-called “orphan works”, will be our biggest challenge in clearing permissions to reformat. Best, Karen From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:31 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Copyright searches for videotape Well at the risk of being jumped on VHS does not fit the copyright code definition of an obsolete format so unless you document that every VHS you are weeding is literally in the process of deteriorating not just a pain in the neck to use the law does not let you make digital copies. I have VHS copies that are 30 years old and just fine and would a lot worse if I transferred them to digital format. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Brown, Karen E [ mailto:kebr...@albany.edu ]kebr...@albany.edu wrote: Dear colleagues: The University at Albany, SUNY, is in the process of weeding VHS materials held in our general collection, all of which was commercially produced. Regarding those titles for which a more current format is not available we will need to obtain copyright clearance before we consider reformatting. We are wondering if there are other educational institutions that have worked through a project such as this that have “video copyright searching” documentation tools or data that they would be willing to share to assist us. Thank you in advance for your input and advice. Best, Karen E.K. Brown Head, Preservation Department University at Albany Libraries 1400 Washington Ave, Room SL 310 Albany, NY 1 Tel. [ tel:%28518%29%20437%203923 ](518) 437 3923 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. ___ Matt Ball Director, Woodruff Library Pace Academy 966 W. Paces Ferry Rd. Atlanta, GA 30327 mb...@paceacademy.org VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Copyright searches for videotape
Just curious about the enormous cost of putting smaller titles out in digital format, how much does it cost to burn a DVD from one's computer? Matt ___ Matt Ball Director, Woodruff Library Pace Academy 966 W. Paces Ferry Rd. Atlanta, GA 30327 mb...@paceacademy.org videolib@lists.berkeley.edu writes: the catch 22 is that when institutions make copies of out of print VHS titles it makes it that much harder for rights holder to justify the enormous cost of putting smaller titles out in digital format. In theory libraries say they will be only to glad to upgrade to a legal copy if one is released but in reality rights holders can't count on that. Ironically I think this is pushing some rights holders to have titles only available via stream or download which libraries hate. Also the law is VERY clear that if you make copies they may not ever be checked out for home use and there is an intense debate ( focusing on the definition of premise) if they may in fact ever leave the library to be used in a classroom. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Brown, Karen E [ mailto:kebr...@albany.edu ]kebr...@albany.edu wrote: Thank you, Jessica. I suppose we can also make a case based on age and use that items in our collection are deteriorating. Our problem is that most of our patrons don’t have a VHS player at home; there are none in our classrooms. The material, as a result, is not being used. Those that are consist of off-beat titles that aren’t the major candidates for publishers to migrate forward to a more popular media. These, and the so-called “orphan works”, will be our biggest challenge in clearing permissions to reformat. Best, Karen From: [ mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu ]videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:[ mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu ]videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:31 PM To: [ mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu ]videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Copyright searches for videotape Well at the risk of being jumped on VHS does not fit the copyright code definition of an obsolete format so unless you document that every VHS you are weeding is literally in the process of deteriorating not just a pain in the neck to use the law does not let you make digital copies. I have VHS copies that are 30 years old and just fine and would a lot worse if I transferred them to digital format. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Brown, Karen E [ mailto:kebr...@albany.edu ]kebr...@albany.edu wrote: Dear colleagues: The University at Albany, SUNY, is in the process of weeding VHS materials held in our general collection, all of which was commercially produced. Regarding those titles for which a more current format is not available we will need to obtain copyright clearance before we consider reformatting. We are wondering if there are other educational institutions that have worked through a project such as this that have “video copyright searching” documentation tools or data that they would be willing to share to assist us. Thank you in advance for your input and advice. Best, Karen E.K. Brown Head, Preservation Department University at Albany Libraries 1400 Washington Ave, Room SL 310 Albany, NY 1 Tel. [ tel:%28518%29%20437%203923 ](518) 437 3923 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. ___ Matt Ball Director, Woodruff Library Pace Academy 966 W. Paces Ferry Rd. Atlanta, GA 30327 mb...@paceacademy.org VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Copyright searches for videotape
Seriously Matt? Dennis is MUCH better at this. But you have to go back to the original material often 35mm fillm elements do a decent new transfer, box it, promote it etc. The whole point of digital is to get high quality looking material. If one just took some old VHS master and dubbed it , it would hideous and strange as it may seem filmmakers and distributors really want their stuff to look good. Oh and I completely forgot PAYING FOR THE RIGHTS including the possibility of re licensing expensive music. Ask Dennis how much has been spent on things like KILLER OF SHEEP, Shirley Clark films etc. I remember a now forgotten doc I really liked that had long fallen out of distribution. I asked Kino to check into it, and it was now owned by reasonably friendly French rights holder but between licensing and production you were probably looking at 20 grand and it was a small title but also one that would have been pirated the day it became available. Imagine trying to put small films out in the increasingly decreasing DVD market, it almost impossible just to cover costs. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Matt Ball mb...@paceacademy.org wrote: Just curious about the enormous cost of putting smaller titles out in digital format, how much does it cost to burn a DVD from one's computer? Matt ___ Matt Ball Director, Woodruff Library Pace Academy 966 W. Paces Ferry Rd. Atlanta, GA 30327 mb...@paceacademy.org *videolib@lists.berkeley.edu videolib@lists.berkeley.edu writes:* the catch 22 is that when institutions make copies of out of print VHS titles it makes it that much harder for rights holder to justify the enormous cost of putting smaller titles out in digital format. In theory libraries say they will be only to glad to upgrade to a legal copy if one is released but in reality rights holders can't count on that. Ironically I think this is pushing some rights holders to have titles only available via stream or download which libraries hate. Also the law is VERY clear that if you make copies they may not ever be checked out for home use and there is an intense debate ( focusing on the definition of premise) if they may in fact ever leave the library to be used in a classroom. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Brown, Karen E kebr...@albany.edu wrote: Thank you, Jessica. I suppose we can also make a case based on age and use that items in our collection are deteriorating. Our problem is that most of our patrons don’t have a VHS player at home; there are none in our classrooms. The material, as a result, is not being used. Those that are consist of off-beat titles that aren’t the major candidates for publishers to migrate forward to a more popular media. These, and the so-called “orphan works”, will be our biggest challenge in clearing permissions to reformat. Best, Karen *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner *Sent:* Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:31 PM *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Copyright searches for videotape Well at the risk of being jumped on VHS does not fit the copyright code definition of an obsolete format so unless you document that every VHS you are weeding is literally in the process of deteriorating not just a pain in the neck to use the law does not let you make digital copies. I have VHS copies that are 30 years old and just fine and would a lot worse if I transferred them to digital format. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Brown, Karen E kebr...@albany.edu wrote: Dear colleagues: The University at Albany, SUNY, is in the process of weeding VHS materials held in our general collection, all of which was commercially produced. Regarding those titles for which a more current format is not available we will need to obtain copyright clearance before we consider reformatting. We are wondering if there are other educational institutions that have worked through a project such as this that have “video copyright searching” documentation tools or data that they would be willing to share to assist us. Thank you in advance for your input and advice. Best, Karen E.K. Brown Head, Preservation Department University at Albany Libraries 1400 Washington Ave, Room SL 310 Albany, NY 1 Tel. (518) 437 3923 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
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Good point. Stream or download are fine, depending on the terms of use!!! Or did I just open another pickle jar. (: From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:47 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Copyright searches for videotape the catch 22 is that when institutions make copies of out of print VHS titles it makes it that much harder for rights holder to justify the enormous cost of putting smaller titles out in digital format. In theory libraries say they will be only to glad to upgrade to a legal copy if one is released but in reality rights holders can't count on that. Ironically I think this is pushing some rights holders to have titles only available via stream or download which libraries hate. Also the law is VERY clear that if you make copies they may not ever be checked out for home use and there is an intense debate ( focusing on the definition of premise) if they may in fact ever leave the library to be used in a classroom. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Brown, Karen E kebr...@albany.edumailto:kebr...@albany.edu wrote: Thank you, Jessica. I suppose we can also make a case based on age and use that items in our collection are deteriorating. Our problem is that most of our patrons don’t have a VHS player at home; there are none in our classrooms. The material, as a result, is not being used. Those that are consist of off-beat titles that aren’t the major candidates for publishers to migrate forward to a more popular media. These, and the so-called “orphan works”, will be our biggest challenge in clearing permissions to reformat. Best, Karen From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:31 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Copyright searches for videotape Well at the risk of being jumped on VHS does not fit the copyright code definition of an obsolete format so unless you document that every VHS you are weeding is literally in the process of deteriorating not just a pain in the neck to use the law does not let you make digital copies. I have VHS copies that are 30 years old and just fine and would a lot worse if I transferred them to digital format. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Brown, Karen E kebr...@albany.edumailto:kebr...@albany.edu wrote: Dear colleagues: The University at Albany, SUNY, is in the process of weeding VHS materials held in our general collection, all of which was commercially produced. Regarding those titles for which a more current format is not available we will need to obtain copyright clearance before we consider reformatting. We are wondering if there are other educational institutions that have worked through a project such as this that have “video copyright searching” documentation tools or data that they would be willing to share to assist us. Thank you in advance for your input and advice. Best, Karen E.K. Brown Head, Preservation Department University at Albany Libraries 1400 Washington Ave, Room SL 310 Albany, NY 1 Tel. (518) 437 3923tel:%28518%29%20437%203923 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
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Libraries don't have VCRs anymore. A video that no one can watch might as well not exist. I would rather have a crappy VHS-to-DVD copy than nothing at all. And I'm willing to pay for it. Also, it's just a matter of time before VHS is an official obsolete format and then, as my mom would say, Katy, bar the door! It might be to filmakers' advantage to get out in front of that eventuality. Matt videolib@lists.berkeley.edu writes: Seriously Matt? Dennis is MUCH better at this. But you have to go back to the original material often 35mm fillm elements do a decent new transfer, box it, promote it etc. The whole point of digital is to get high quality looking material. If one just took some old VHS master and dubbed it , it would hideous and strange as it may seem filmmakers and distributors really want their stuff to look good. Oh and I completely forgot PAYING FOR THE RIGHTS including the possibility of re licensing expensive music. Ask Dennis how much has been spent on things like KILLER OF SHEEP, Shirley Clark films etc. I remember a now forgotten doc I really liked that had long fallen out of distribution. I asked Kino to check into it, and it was now owned by reasonably friendly French rights holder but between licensing and production you were probably looking at 20 grand and it was a small title but also one that would have been pirated the day it became available. Imagine trying to put small films out in the increasingly decreasing DVD market, it almost impossible just to cover costs. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Matt Ball [ mailto:mb...@paceacademy.org ]mb...@paceacademy.org wrote: Just curious about the enormous cost of putting smaller titles out in digital format, how much does it cost to burn a DVD from one's computer? Matt ___ Matt Ball Director, Woodruff Library Pace Academy 966 W. Paces Ferry Rd. Atlanta, GA 30327 [ mailto:mb...@paceacademy.org ]mb...@paceacademy.org [ mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu ]videolib@lists.berkeley.edu writes: the catch 22 is that when institutions make copies of out of print VHS titles it makes it that much harder for rights holder to justify the enormous cost of putting smaller titles out in digital format. In theory libraries say they will be only to glad to upgrade to a legal copy if one is released but in reality rights holders can't count on that. Ironically I think this is pushing some rights holders to have titles only available via stream or download which libraries hate. Also the law is VERY clear that if you make copies they may not ever be checked out for home use and there is an intense debate ( focusing on the definition of premise) if they may in fact ever leave the library to be used in a classroom. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Brown, Karen E [ mailto:kebr...@albany.edu ]kebr...@albany.edu wrote: Thank you, Jessica. I suppose we can also make a case based on age and use that items in our collection are deteriorating. Our problem is that most of our patrons don’t have a VHS player at home; there are none in our classrooms. The material, as a result, is not being used. Those that are consist of off-beat titles that aren’t the major candidates for publishers to migrate forward to a more popular media. These, and the so-called “orphan works”, will be our biggest challenge in clearing permissions to reformat. Best, Karen From: [ mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu ]videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:[ mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu ]videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:31 PM To: [ mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu ]videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Copyright searches for videotape Well at the risk of being jumped on VHS does not fit the copyright code definition of an obsolete format so unless you document that every VHS you are weeding is literally in the process of deteriorating not just a pain in the neck to use the law does not let you make digital copies. I have VHS copies that are 30 years old and just fine and would a lot worse if I transferred them to digital format. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Brown, Karen E [ mailto:kebr...@albany.edu ]kebr...@albany.edu wrote: Dear colleagues: The University at Albany, SUNY, is in the process of weeding VHS materials held in our general collection, all of which was commercially produced. Regarding those titles for which a more current format is not available we will need to obtain copyright clearance before we consider reformatting. We are wondering if there are other educational institutions that have worked through a project such as this that have “video copyright searching” documentation tools or data that they would be willing to share to assist us. Thank you in advance for your input and advice. Best, Karen E.K. Brown Head, Preservation Department University at
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If it is an educational doc with little interest in visuals you might get some people to OK a transfer but it like showing a black and white photocopy of the Mona Lisa in an art house to dub an old VHS to DVD. It is both deeply insulting to the people who made the films and illegal. I would not kill VHS off that fast. As long as players are On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Matt Ball mb...@paceacademy.org wrote: Libraries don't have VCRs anymore. A video that no one can watch might as well not exist. I would rather have a crappy VHS-to-DVD copy than nothing at all. And I'm willing to pay for it. Also, it's just a matter of time before VHS is an official obsolete format and then, as my mom would say, Katy, bar the door! It might be to filmakers' advantage to get out in front of that eventuality. Matt *videolib@lists.berkeley.edu videolib@lists.berkeley.edu writes:* Seriously Matt? Dennis is MUCH better at this. But you have to go back to the original material often 35mm fillm elements do a decent new transfer, box it, promote it etc. The whole point of digital is to get high quality looking material. If one just took some old VHS master and dubbed it , it would hideous and strange as it may seem filmmakers and distributors really want their stuff to look good. Oh and I completely forgot PAYING FOR THE RIGHTS including the possibility of re licensing expensive music. Ask Dennis how much has been spent on things like KILLER OF SHEEP, Shirley Clark films etc. I remember a now forgotten doc I really liked that had long fallen out of distribution. I asked Kino to check into it, and it was now owned by reasonably friendly French rights holder but between licensing and production you were probably looking at 20 grand and it was a small title but also one that would have been pirated the day it became available. Imagine trying to put small films out in the increasingly decreasing DVD market, it almost impossible just to cover costs. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Matt Ball mb...@paceacademy.org wrote: Just curious about the enormous cost of putting smaller titles out in digital format, how much does it cost to burn a DVD from one's computer? Matt ___ Matt Ball Director, Woodruff Library Pace Academy 966 W. Paces Ferry Rd. Atlanta, GA 30327 mb...@paceacademy.org *videolib@lists.berkeley.edu* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu* writes:* the catch 22 is that when institutions make copies of out of print VHS titles it makes it that much harder for rights holder to justify the enormous cost of putting smaller titles out in digital format. In theory libraries say they will be only to glad to upgrade to a legal copy if one is released but in reality rights holders can't count on that. Ironically I think this is pushing some rights holders to have titles only available via stream or download which libraries hate. Also the law is VERY clear that if you make copies they may not ever be checked out for home use and there is an intense debate ( focusing on the definition of premise) if they may in fact ever leave the library to be used in a classroom. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Brown, Karen E kebr...@albany.edu wrote: Thank you, Jessica. I suppose we can also make a case based on age and use that items in our collection are deteriorating. Our problem is that most of our patrons don’t have a VHS player at home; there are none in our classrooms. The material, as a result, is not being used. Those that are consist of off-beat titles that aren’t the major candidates for publishers to migrate forward to a more popular media. These, and the so-called “orphan works”, will be our biggest challenge in clearing permissions to reformat. Best, Karen *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner *Sent:* Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:31 PM *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Copyright searches for videotape Well at the risk of being jumped on VHS does not fit the copyright code definition of an obsolete format so unless you document that every VHS you are weeding is literally in the process of deteriorating not just a pain in the neck to use the law does not let you make digital copies. I have VHS copies that are 30 years old and just fine and would a lot worse if I transferred them to digital format. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Brown, Karen E kebr...@albany.edu wrote: Dear colleagues: The University at Albany, SUNY, is in the process of weeding VHS materials held in our general collection, all of which was commercially produced. Regarding those titles for which a more current format is not available we will need to obtain copyright clearance before we consider reformatting. We are wondering if there are other educational institutions that have worked through a project such as this that
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OOPS hid send WAY to early on that last one. VHS players are a pain in the ass but it is financial and convenience concern to dump them. They still work and the law recognizes them as a valid format so until you can't get one as oppossed to dumping the ones you have you have no right to make a copy because it is a pain the ass. I am more startled though at your lack of understanding of how much time, money and resources (not to mention rights) are involved in making good DVD, blu ray or streaming copies of video material. Filmmakers and those of us who work with them take this very seriously. It is a VISUAL art not just some crap to dub a cheap washed out copy of. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Jessica Rosner maddux2...@gmail.com wrote: If it is an educational doc with little interest in visuals you might get some people to OK a transfer but it like showing a black and white photocopy of the Mona Lisa in an art house to dub an old VHS to DVD. It is both deeply insulting to the people who made the films and illegal. I would not kill VHS off that fast. As long as players are On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Matt Ball mb...@paceacademy.org wrote: Libraries don't have VCRs anymore. A video that no one can watch might as well not exist. I would rather have a crappy VHS-to-DVD copy than nothing at all. And I'm willing to pay for it. Also, it's just a matter of time before VHS is an official obsolete format and then, as my mom would say, Katy, bar the door! It might be to filmakers' advantage to get out in front of that eventuality. Matt *videolib@lists.berkeley.edu videolib@lists.berkeley.edu writes:* Seriously Matt? Dennis is MUCH better at this. But you have to go back to the original material often 35mm fillm elements do a decent new transfer, box it, promote it etc. The whole point of digital is to get high quality looking material. If one just took some old VHS master and dubbed it , it would hideous and strange as it may seem filmmakers and distributors really want their stuff to look good. Oh and I completely forgot PAYING FOR THE RIGHTS including the possibility of re licensing expensive music. Ask Dennis how much has been spent on things like KILLER OF SHEEP, Shirley Clark films etc. I remember a now forgotten doc I really liked that had long fallen out of distribution. I asked Kino to check into it, and it was now owned by reasonably friendly French rights holder but between licensing and production you were probably looking at 20 grand and it was a small title but also one that would have been pirated the day it became available. Imagine trying to put small films out in the increasingly decreasing DVD market, it almost impossible just to cover costs. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Matt Ball mb...@paceacademy.org wrote: Just curious about the enormous cost of putting smaller titles out in digital format, how much does it cost to burn a DVD from one's computer? Matt ___ Matt Ball Director, Woodruff Library Pace Academy 966 W. Paces Ferry Rd. Atlanta, GA 30327 mb...@paceacademy.org *videolib@lists.berkeley.edu* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu* writes:* the catch 22 is that when institutions make copies of out of print VHS titles it makes it that much harder for rights holder to justify the enormous cost of putting smaller titles out in digital format. In theory libraries say they will be only to glad to upgrade to a legal copy if one is released but in reality rights holders can't count on that. Ironically I think this is pushing some rights holders to have titles only available via stream or download which libraries hate. Also the law is VERY clear that if you make copies they may not ever be checked out for home use and there is an intense debate ( focusing on the definition of premise) if they may in fact ever leave the library to be used in a classroom. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Brown, Karen E kebr...@albany.edu wrote: Thank you, Jessica. I suppose we can also make a case based on age and use that items in our collection are deteriorating. Our problem is that most of our patrons don’t have a VHS player at home; there are none in our classrooms. The material, as a result, is not being used. Those that are consist of off-beat titles that aren’t the major candidates for publishers to migrate forward to a more popular media. These, and the so-called “orphan works”, will be our biggest challenge in clearing permissions to reformat. Best, Karen *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner *Sent:* Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:31 PM *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Copyright searches for videotape Well at the risk of being jumped on VHS does not fit the copyright code definition of an obsolete format so unless you document that every VHS you are weeding is
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That’s way too broad of a statement, Matt. We do, indeed, have VCRs here, as well as an RTI machine to continue to service our VHS tapes. We even (gasp!) still have VCRs in several classrooms. A faculty or staff member needing to reserve a room for a screening can even do a search of our campus scheduler *based upon availability of that piece of equipment.* YES, I had to advocate with our IT department to keep these, and I’m sure the time will come when very few people are available to service the units, but to me it’s being a really lousy steward of our collection to just toss ‘em out because they’re not the format du jour. For what it’s worth, we still have a typewriter here in the library, too. ☺ Susan Susan Albrecht Library Media Acquisitions Manager Graduate Fellowship Advisor Wabash College Lilly Library 765-361-6216 765-361-6295 fax albre...@wabash.edumailto:albre...@wabash.edu www.facebook.com/wabashcollegelibrary.filmshttp://www.facebook.com/wabashcollegelibrary.films http://pinterest.com/wabashcolllib/ *** If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice. --Neil Peart *** From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Matt Ball Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:09 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Copyright searches for videotape Libraries don't have VCRs anymore. A video that no one can watch might as well not exist. I would rather have a crappy VHS-to-DVD copy than nothing at all. And I'm willing to pay for it. Also, it's just a matter of time before VHS is an official obsolete format and then, as my mom would say, Katy, bar the door! It might be to filmakers' advantage to get out in front of that eventuality. Matt VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
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We have four VHS players in the library, and most of our classrooms are still equipped with them (at least for now). We still have several hundred titles on VHS and many are used regularly. Michael --- Michael Kankiewicz Manager, Silverman Multimedia Center 221 Capen Hall University at Buffalo Buffalo, NY 14260 P 716-645-1329 F 716-645-3710 e micha...@buffalo.edumailto:micha...@buffalo.edu From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Matt Ball Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:09 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Copyright searches for videotape Libraries don't have VCRs anymore. A video that no one can watch might as well not exist. I would rather have a crappy VHS-to-DVD copy than nothing at all. And I'm willing to pay for it. Also, it's just a matter of time before VHS is an official obsolete format and then, as my mom would say, Katy, bar the door! It might be to filmakers' advantage to get out in front of that eventuality. Matt VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
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Now I remember why I stopped posting to this list. videolib@lists.berkeley.edu writes: OOPS hid send WAY to early on that last one. VHS players are a pain in the ass but it is financial and convenience concern to dump them. They still work and the law recognizes them as a valid format so until you can't get one as oppossed to dumping the ones you have you have no right to make a copy because it is a pain the ass. I am more startled though at your lack of understanding of how much time, money and resources (not to mention rights) are involved in making good DVD, blu ray or streaming copies of video material. Filmmakers and those of us who work with them take this very seriously. It is a VISUAL art not just some crap to dub a cheap washed out copy of. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Jessica Rosner [ mailto:maddux2...@gmail.com ]maddux2...@gmail.com wrote: If it is an educational doc with little interest in visuals you might get some people to OK a transfer but it like showing a black and white photocopy of the Mona Lisa in an art house to dub an old VHS to DVD. It is both deeply insulting to the people who made the films and illegal. I would not kill VHS off that fast. As long as players are On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Matt Ball [ mailto:mb...@paceacademy.org ]mb...@paceacademy.org wrote: Libraries don't have VCRs anymore. A video that no one can watch might as well not exist. I would rather have a crappy VHS-to-DVD copy than nothing at all. And I'm willing to pay for it. Also, it's just a matter of time before VHS is an official obsolete format and then, as my mom would say, Katy, bar the door! It might be to filmakers' advantage to get out in front of that eventuality. Matt [ mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu ]videolib@lists.berkeley.edu writes: Seriously Matt? Dennis is MUCH better at this. But you have to go back to the original material often 35mm fillm elements do a decent new transfer, box it, promote it etc. The whole point of digital is to get high quality looking material. If one just took some old VHS master and dubbed it , it would hideous and strange as it may seem filmmakers and distributors really want their stuff to look good. Oh and I completely forgot PAYING FOR THE RIGHTS including the possibility of re licensing expensive music. Ask Dennis how much has been spent on things like KILLER OF SHEEP, Shirley Clark films etc. I remember a now forgotten doc I really liked that had long fallen out of distribution. I asked Kino to check into it, and it was now owned by reasonably friendly French rights holder but between licensing and production you were probably looking at 20 grand and it was a small title but also one that would have been pirated the day it became available. Imagine trying to put small films out in the increasingly decreasing DVD market, it almost impossible just to cover costs. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Matt Ball [ mailto:mb...@paceacademy.org ]mb...@paceacademy.org wrote: Just curious about the enormous cost of putting smaller titles out in digital format, how much does it cost to burn a DVD from one's computer? Matt ___ Matt Ball Director, Woodruff Library Pace Academy 966 W. Paces Ferry Rd. Atlanta, GA 30327 [ mailto:mb...@paceacademy.org ]mb...@paceacademy.org [ mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu ]videolib@lists.berkeley.edu writes: the catch 22 is that when institutions make copies of out of print VHS titles it makes it that much harder for rights holder to justify the enormous cost of putting smaller titles out in digital format. In theory libraries say they will be only to glad to upgrade to a legal copy if one is released but in reality rights holders can't count on that. Ironically I think this is pushing some rights holders to have titles only available via stream or download which libraries hate. Also the law is VERY clear that if you make copies they may not ever be checked out for home use and there is an intense debate ( focusing on the definition of premise) if they may in fact ever leave the library to be used in a classroom. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Brown, Karen E [ mailto:kebr...@albany.edu ]kebr...@albany.edu wrote: Thank you, Jessica. I suppose we can also make a case based on age and use that items in our collection are deteriorating. Our problem is that most of our patrons don’t have a VHS player at home; there are none in our classrooms. The material, as a result, is not being used. Those that are consist of off-beat titles that aren’t the major candidates for publishers to migrate forward to a more popular media. These, and the so-called “orphan works”, will be our biggest challenge in clearing permissions to reformat. Best, Karen From: [ mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu ]videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:[ mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
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Matt asked: How much does it cost to burn a DVD from one's computer? I'll go ahead and answer that even though it was a rhetorical question. Buying a one-off title from a filmmaker / distributor has costs, even if the 'sticker price' of the disc is minimal. This often involves extensive work on the procurement side of things, especially for larger, more bureaucratic institutions (setting up tax ids and other fun I only know about peripherally). But the highest cost to those of us in an environment with lots of playback variables is frustration -- a burned DVD-R is much, MUCH more likely to cause playback problems than one that is pressed. We have problems with DVD-R technology all the time, and especially with those that appear to have been made on a smaller scale (not so much the more professionally-made titles from, say, the Warner Vault). Sometimes they skip randomly (maddening), and sometimes we can't get them to play back at all (pointless). We often have to test these dvds in multiple players before adding them to the collection, and send them back when they don't work consistently (frustrating for all involved -- our Library's staff and the seller). Ones that pass through our preview process and are added to the collection are sometimes returned with complaints (could not play in the classroom, etc.). We adhere bright green stickers to all DVD-Rs in our collection, essentially warning instructors to test on playback equipment ahead of time. I felt like these might be important points to make, especially since there are distributors on this list. I agree that dubbed copies can have research value, but as a teaching tool I would MUCH rather wait for a professionally-made release. Of course there are many times where this just isn't going to happen, but a DVD-R pressed on someone's Dell is as likely to cause more problems than it solves. And, libraries most certainly do have VCRs these days. Especially as players are being removed from classrooms, it's becoming more and more important that we do maintain older equipment to meet our patrons' needs. -- Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo On 7/24/2014 3:08 PM, Matt Ball wrote: Libraries don't have VCRs anymore. A video that no one can watch might as well not exist. I would rather have a crappy VHS-to-DVD copy than nothing at all. And I'm willing to pay for it. Also, it's just a matter of time before VHS is an official obsolete format and then, as my mom would say, Katy, bar the door! It might be to filmakers' advantage to get out in front of that eventuality. Matt *videolib@lists.berkeley.edu mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu writes:* Seriously Matt? Dennis is MUCH better at this. But you have to go back to the original material often 35mm fillm elements do a decent new transfer, box it, promote it etc. The whole point of digital is to get high quality looking material. If one just took some old VHS master and dubbed it , it would hideous and strange as it may seem filmmakers and distributors really want their stuff to look good. Oh and I completely forgot PAYING FOR THE RIGHTS including the possibility of re licensing expensive music. Ask Dennis how much has been spent on things like KILLER OF SHEEP, Shirley Clark films etc. I remember a now forgotten doc I really liked that had long fallen out of distribution. I asked Kino to check into it, and it was now owned by reasonably friendly French rights holder but between licensing and production you were probably looking at 20 grand and it was a small title but also one that would have been pirated the day it became available. Imagine trying to put small films out in the increasingly decreasing DVD market, it almost impossible just to cover costs. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Matt Ball mb...@paceacademy.org mailto:mb...@paceacademy.org wrote: Just curious about the enormous cost of putting smaller titles out in digital format, how much does it cost to burn a DVD from one's computer? Matt ___ Matt Ball Director, Woodruff Library Pace Academy 966 W. Paces Ferry Rd. Atlanta, GA 30327 mb...@paceacademy.org mailto:mb...@paceacademy.org *videolib@lists.berkeley.edu* mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu*writes:* the catch 22 is that when institutions make copies of out of print VHS titles it makes it that much harder for rights holder to justify the enormous cost of putting smaller titles out in digital format. In theory libraries say they will be only to glad to upgrade to a legal copy if one is released but in reality rights holders can't count on that. Ironically I think this is pushing some rights holders to have titles only available via stream or download which libraries hate. Also the law is VERY clear that if you
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Just started to pay attention to this discussion and saw my name bandied about. I once had another distributor who told me he was very proud to spend $3000 to transfer a film to digital. I didn't have the heart to say that I've spent that much on one scene. And when I saw his transfer, the entire film had an unseemly green tint over the whole film. To put it in context, I was the kind of person with the bad habit of not knowing who the star of the film is but I inevitably would lean over to Amy and tell her the year the print was made, what stock was used and at what lab. After the third surgery on my ribs, I decided I should stop doing that. :-) To produce a video master properly takes at least $20,000. To clean it of scratches and dust is another $10,000. To bring it out on BluRay and DVD is another $15,000. And then there's the bonus features that help educators put the film and the creative people into context and provide more and better information than most text books. (How many text books have a 90-minute conversation with a film's director?) For Project Shirley Clarke, the bonus features have actually turned into their own DVD release with enough short films, home movies, interviews and outtakes for four discs. So far, that's been a $100,000 investment. (Yes, I'm obviously nuts, but we've also started a feature doc on her so it's not that stupid...) But I have to say, that I sometimes take my VHS tapes that I have of lost films (those that were never in distribution or were banned) and transferring to DVD for my own personal use. I mean, it is more convenient then having a VHS player with every TV in the place. The real issue is not the law as much as *quality*. My argument is that students (and their parents) are paying $60,000 a year tuition (my only child is about to go to Case Western in two weeks in fact) and they deserve a first-rate education. And that includes media. Unfortunately, the A-V department that was once glorified in Lyndon Johnson's New Society is now considered the bastard child at most institutions and much of the money for first-rate hasn't existed since the Reagan administration. I would really love the ALA and VLA to have a section devoted to A-V preservation (AMIA would provide assistance) at every conference and discuss best practices for presentation. (Maureen Tripp and I had a lot of fun a couple years ago presenting a session at the National Media Market.) Maybe a VHS to DVD transfer is best practice, but I think that we could also use VidLib more actively for people looking for a filmmaker or distributor who might be able to provide an upgrade for a poor VHS copy. As for fighting the administrations for better budgets, I think we have all be deadened to the war that we lost 30 years ago. I admire greatly the people still fighting for their departments and their financial need to provide the services that the students deserve. Best regards, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com Visit our main website! www.milestonefilms.com Visit our new websites! www.mspresents.com, www.portraitofjason.com, www.shirleyclarkefilms.com, To see or download our 2014 Video Catalog, click here http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0150/7896/files/2014MilestoneVideoCatalog.pdf?75 ! Support Milestone Film on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/pages/Milestone-Film/22348485426 and Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms! See the website: Association of Moving Image Archivists http://www.amianet.org/ and like them on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/pages/Association-of-Moving-Image-Archivists/86854559717 AMIA 2014 Conference, Savannah, Georgia, October 8-11, 2014 http://www.amianet.org/ On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Jessica Rosner maddux2...@gmail.com wrote: If it is an educational doc with little interest in visuals you might get some people to OK a transfer but it like showing a black and white photocopy of the Mona Lisa in an art house to dub an old VHS to DVD. It is both deeply insulting to the people who made the films and illegal. I would not kill VHS off that fast. As long as players are On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Matt Ball mb...@paceacademy.org wrote: Libraries don't have VCRs anymore. A video that no one can watch might as well not exist. I would rather have a crappy VHS-to-DVD copy than nothing at all. And I'm willing to pay for it. Also, it's just a matter of time before VHS is an official obsolete format and then, as my mom would say, Katy, bar the door! It might be to filmakers' advantage to get out in front of that eventuality. Matt *videolib@lists.berkeley.edu videolib@lists.berkeley.edu writes:* Seriously Matt? Dennis is MUCH better at this. But you have to go back to the original material often 35mm fillm elements do a decent new transfer, box it, promote it etc. The whole point of digital is to get high quality
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TWO WEEKS!! Are you ready, Dennis? Is Amy ready? Is your SON ready? Since Princeton starts pretty late, we’re still over 4 weeks away, even with my daughter’s freshman “outdoor adventure” 5-day experience at the start. I am decidedly not ready. Susan Albrecht Library Media Acquisitions Manager Graduate Fellowship Advisor Wabash College Lilly Library 765-361-6216 765-361-6295 fax albre...@wabash.edumailto:albre...@wabash.edu www.facebook.com/wabashcollegelibrary.filmshttp://www.facebook.com/wabashcollegelibrary.films http://pinterest.com/wabashcolllib/ *** If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice. --Neil Peart *** From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Dennis Doros Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:56 PM To: Video Library questions Subject: Re: [Videolib] Copyright searches for videotape Just started to pay attention to this discussion and saw my name bandied about. I once had another distributor who told me he was very proud to spend $3000 to transfer a film to digital. I didn't have the heart to say that I've spent that much on one scene. And when I saw his transfer, the entire film had an unseemly green tint over the whole film. To put it in context, I was the kind of person with the bad habit of not knowing who the star of the film is but I inevitably would lean over to Amy and tell her the year the print was made, what stock was used and at what lab. After the third surgery on my ribs, I decided I should stop doing that. :-) To produce a video master properly takes at least $20,000. To clean it of scratches and dust is another $10,000. To bring it out on BluRay and DVD is another $15,000. And then there's the bonus features that help educators put the film and the creative people into context and provide more and better information than most text books. (How many text books have a 90-minute conversation with a film's director?) For Project Shirley Clarke, the bonus features have actually turned into their own DVD release with enough short films, home movies, interviews and outtakes for four discs. So far, that's been a $100,000 investment. (Yes, I'm obviously nuts, but we've also started a feature doc on her so it's not that stupid...) But I have to say, that I sometimes take my VHS tapes that I have of lost films (those that were never in distribution or were banned) and transferring to DVD for my own personal use. I mean, it is more convenient then having a VHS player with every TV in the place. The real issue is not the law as much as quality. My argument is that students (and their parents) are paying $60,000 a year tuition (my only child is about to go to Case Western in two weeks in fact) and they deserve a first-rate education. And that includes media. Unfortunately, the A-V department that was once glorified in Lyndon Johnson's New Society is now considered the bastard child at most institutions and much of the money for first-rate hasn't existed since the Reagan administration. I would really love the ALA and VLA to have a section devoted to A-V preservation (AMIA would provide assistance) at every conference and discuss best practices for presentation. (Maureen Tripp and I had a lot of fun a couple years ago presenting a session at the National Media Market.) Maybe a VHS to DVD transfer is best practice, but I think that we could also use VidLib more actively for people looking for a filmmaker or distributor who might be able to provide an upgrade for a poor VHS copy. As for fighting the administrations for better budgets, I think we have all be deadened to the war that we lost 30 years ago. I admire greatly the people still fighting for their departments and their financial need to provide the services that the students deserve. Best regards, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.commailto:milefi...@gmail.com Visit our main website! www.milestonefilms.comhttp://www.milestonefilms.com/ Visit our new websites! www.mspresents.comhttp://www.mspresents.com, www.portraitofjason.comhttp://www.portraitofjason.com, www.shirleyclarkefilms.comhttp://www.shirleyclarkefilms.com/, To see or download our 2014 Video Catalog, click herehttp://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0150/7896/files/2014MilestoneVideoCatalog.pdf?75! Support Milestone Film on Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/pages/Milestone-Film/22348485426 and Twitterhttps://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms! See the website: Association of Moving Image Archivistshttp://www.amianet.org/ and like them on Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/pages/Association-of-Moving-Image-Archivists/86854559717 AMIA 2014 Conference, Savannah, Georgia, October 8-11, 2014http://www.amianet.org/ On Thu, Jul 24, 2014
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Dagnab it! Meant that just for Dennis, obviously. It’s been a long, long, long week…. Susan Albrecht Library Media Acquisitions Manager Graduate Fellowship Advisor Wabash College Lilly Library 765-361-6216 765-361-6295 fax albre...@wabash.edumailto:albre...@wabash.edu www.facebook.com/wabashcollegelibrary.filmshttp://www.facebook.com/wabashcollegelibrary.films http://pinterest.com/wabashcolllib/ *** If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice. --Neil Peart *** From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Dennis Doros Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:56 PM To: Video Library questions Subject: Re: [Videolib] Copyright searches for videotape Just started to pay attention to this discussion and saw my name bandied about. I once had another distributor who told me he was very proud to spend $3000 to transfer a film to digital. I didn't have the heart to say that I've spent that much on one scene. And when I saw his transfer, the entire film had an unseemly green tint over the whole film. To put it in context, I was the kind of person with the bad habit of not knowing who the star of the film is but I inevitably would lean over to Amy and tell her the year the print was made, what stock was used and at what lab. After the third surgery on my ribs, I decided I should stop doing that. :-) To produce a video master properly takes at least $20,000. To clean it of scratches and dust is another $10,000. To bring it out on BluRay and DVD is another $15,000. And then there's the bonus features that help educators put the film and the creative people into context and provide more and better information than most text books. (How many text books have a 90-minute conversation with a film's director?) For Project Shirley Clarke, the bonus features have actually turned into their own DVD release with enough short films, home movies, interviews and outtakes for four discs. So far, that's been a $100,000 investment. (Yes, I'm obviously nuts, but we've also started a feature doc on her so it's not that stupid...) But I have to say, that I sometimes take my VHS tapes that I have of lost films (those that were never in distribution or were banned) and transferring to DVD for my own personal use. I mean, it is more convenient then having a VHS player with every TV in the place. The real issue is not the law as much as quality. My argument is that students (and their parents) are paying $60,000 a year tuition (my only child is about to go to Case Western in two weeks in fact) and they deserve a first-rate education. And that includes media. Unfortunately, the A-V department that was once glorified in Lyndon Johnson's New Society is now considered the bastard child at most institutions and much of the money for first-rate hasn't existed since the Reagan administration. I would really love the ALA and VLA to have a section devoted to A-V preservation (AMIA would provide assistance) at every conference and discuss best practices for presentation. (Maureen Tripp and I had a lot of fun a couple years ago presenting a session at the National Media Market.) Maybe a VHS to DVD transfer is best practice, but I think that we could also use VidLib more actively for people looking for a filmmaker or distributor who might be able to provide an upgrade for a poor VHS copy. As for fighting the administrations for better budgets, I think we have all be deadened to the war that we lost 30 years ago. I admire greatly the people still fighting for their departments and their financial need to provide the services that the students deserve. Best regards, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.commailto:milefi...@gmail.com Visit our main website! www.milestonefilms.comhttp://www.milestonefilms.com/ Visit our new websites! www.mspresents.comhttp://www.mspresents.com, www.portraitofjason.comhttp://www.portraitofjason.com, www.shirleyclarkefilms.comhttp://www.shirleyclarkefilms.com/, To see or download our 2014 Video Catalog, click herehttp://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0150/7896/files/2014MilestoneVideoCatalog.pdf?75! Support Milestone Film on Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/pages/Milestone-Film/22348485426 and Twitterhttps://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms! See the website: Association of Moving Image Archivistshttp://www.amianet.org/ and like them on Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/pages/Association-of-Moving-Image-Archivists/86854559717 AMIA 2014 Conference, Savannah, Georgia, October 8-11, 2014http://www.amianet.org/ On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Jessica Rosner maddux2...@gmail.commailto:maddux2...@gmail.com wrote: If it is an educational doc with little interest in visuals you might get some
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A measured and thoughtful response as usual, Dennis. M- videolib@lists.berkeley.edu writes: Just started to pay attention to this discussion and saw my name bandied about. I once had another distributor who told me he was very proud to spend $3000 to transfer a film to digital. I didn't have the heart to say that I've spent that much on one scene. And when I saw his transfer, the entire film had an unseemly green tint over the whole film. To put it in context, I was the kind of person with the bad habit of not knowing who the star of the film is but I inevitably would lean over to Amy and tell her the year the print was made, what stock was used and at what lab. After the third surgery on my ribs, I decided I should stop doing that. :-) To produce a video master properly takes at least $20,000. To clean it of scratches and dust is another $10,000. To bring it out on BluRay and DVD is another $15,000. And then there's the bonus features that help educators put the film and the creative people into context and provide more and better information than most text books. (How many text books have a 90-minute conversation with a film's director?) For Project Shirley Clarke, the bonus features have actually turned into their own DVD release with enough short films, home movies, interviews and outtakes for four discs. So far, that's been a $100,000 investment. (Yes, I'm obviously nuts, but we've also started a feature doc on her so it's not that stupid...) But I have to say, that I sometimes take my VHS tapes that I have of lost films (those that were never in distribution or were banned) and transferring to DVD for my own personal use. I mean, it is more convenient then having a VHS player with every TV in the place. The real issue is not the law as much as quality. My argument is that students (and their parents) are paying $60,000 a year tuition (my only child is about to go to Case Western in two weeks in fact) and they deserve a first-rate education. And that includes media. Unfortunately, the A-V department that was once glorified in Lyndon Johnson's New Society is now considered the bastard child at most institutions and much of the money for first-rate hasn't existed since the Reagan administration. I would really love the ALA and VLA to have a section devoted to A-V preservation (AMIA would provide assistance) at every conference and discuss best practices for presentation. (Maureen Tripp and I had a lot of fun a couple years ago presenting a session at the National Media Market.) Maybe a VHS to DVD transfer is best practice, but I think that we could also use VidLib more actively for people looking for a filmmaker or distributor who might be able to provide an upgrade for a poor VHS copy. As for fighting the administrations for better budgets, I think we have all be deadened to the war that we lost 30 years ago. I admire greatly the people still fighting for their departments and their financial need to provide the services that the students deserve. Best regards, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: [ mailto:milefi...@gmail.com ]milefi...@gmail.com Visit our main website! [ http://www.milestonefilms.com/ ]www.milestonefilms.com Visit our new websites! [ http://www.mspresents.com ]www.mspresents.com, [ http://www.portraitofjason.com ]www.portraitofjason.com, [ http://www.shirleyclarkefilms.com/ ]www.shirleyclarkefilms.com, To see or download our 2014 Video Catalog, click [ http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0150/7896/files/2014MilestoneVideoCatalog.pdf?75 ]here! Support Milestone Film on [ http://www.facebook.com/pages/Milestone-Film/22348485426 ]Facebook and [ https://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms ]Twitter! See the website: [ http://www.amianet.org/ ]Association of Moving Image Archivists and like them on [ http://www.facebook.com/pages/Association-of-Moving-Image-Archivists/86854559717 ]Facebook [ http://www.amianet.org/ ]AMIA 2014 Conference, Savannah, Georgia, October 8-11, 2014 On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Jessica Rosner [ mailto:maddux2...@gmail.com ]maddux2...@gmail.com wrote: If it is an educational doc with little interest in visuals you might get some people to OK a transfer but it like showing a black and white photocopy of the Mona Lisa in an art house to dub an old VHS to DVD. It is both deeply insulting to the people who made the films and illegal. I would not kill VHS off that fast. As long as players are On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Matt Ball [ mailto:mb...@paceacademy.org ]mb...@paceacademy.org wrote: Libraries don't have VCRs anymore. A video that no one can watch might as well not exist. I would rather have a crappy VHS-to-DVD copy than nothing at all. And I'm willing to pay for it. Also, it's just a matter of time before VHS is an official obsolete format and then, as my mom would say,
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Dennis Doros, I second that emotion! totally agree that A-V preservation should be part of ALA annual programming--and it would be wonderful if AMIA could help out with expertise. The VideoRoundtable is looking for program proposals for 2015 right now. I hope someone will rise to the challenge! MT VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
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Dear Maureen, We has nearly 1000 members across the country and around the world. I believe that our board member Elena Rossi-Snook is having a panel at ALA but I'm not entirely sure. But if the VideoRound Table would like to propose a topic for 2015 and I can find three or four amazing archivists in just about every city you can imagine. I believe it's San Francisco? There might even be a way to work this in with the Pacific Film Archive, the Prelinger Library and/or Oddball Films. All amazing organizations. Best regards, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com Visit our main website! www.milestonefilms.com Visit our new websites! www.mspresents.com, www.portraitofjason.com, www.shirleyclarkefilms.com, To see or download our 2014 Video Catalog, click here http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0150/7896/files/2014MilestoneVideoCatalog.pdf?75 ! Support Milestone Film on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/pages/Milestone-Film/22348485426 and Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms! See the website: Association of Moving Image Archivists http://www.amianet.org/ and like them on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/pages/Association-of-Moving-Image-Archivists/86854559717 AMIA 2014 Conference, Savannah, Georgia, October 8-11, 2014 http://www.amianet.org/ On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Maureen Tripp maureen_tr...@emerson.edu wrote: Dennis Doros, I second that emotion! totally agree that A-V preservation should be part of ALA annual programming--and it would be wonderful if AMIA could help out with expertise. The VideoRoundtable is looking for program proposals for 2015 right now. I hope someone will rise to the challenge! MT VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
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I am late to this now lengthy conversation, in which many others have already participated. But permit me to make several statements of fact, not opinion, related to the issue at hand. First and foremost, in response to Karen's original question and subject line. Contrary to what others on this list may claim, by US Copyright Law, Section 108, a copyright search is NOT required in order duplicate a title in a library's video collection. What * is * required is a * reasonable search * for a * new * copy at a * reasonable * price. (in other words, due diligence). A VHS tape, for which a NEW VHS copy is available, does not meet the requirements of the law. Other conditions must be met. The original item in the library must be a legally acquired copy, it must meet one of these conditions: lost, damaged, stolen, deteriorating, or in an obsolete format. Read the law here: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#108 The law does not define the term reasonable. The law does define obsolete: For purposes of this subsection, a format shall be considered obsolete if the machine or device necessary to render perceptible a work stored in that format is no longer manufactured or is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace. By the terms of the law, VHS is therefore, not an obsolete format. It can be argued, however, based on the detailed research conducted my Walter Forsberg for the Video at Risk Project (and reported at a National Media Market session November 4, 2013) that VHS is a * deteriorating * format. (I understand that a peer reviewed article on Walter's research is forthcoming later this year.) Also note that the law permits making three (3) copies of the item being duplicated. And while some argue that a copy made within the terms of Section 108 may not leave the library, the law also includes a clause that states that NOTHING in the law trumps rights under Section 107 (commonly called Fair Use). (f) Nothing in this section--... (4) in any way affects the right of fair use as provided by section 107... Thus a library can argue that it is fair use for a copy made within Section 108 provisions, of a video legally acquired for use in classrooms or general circulation outside the library, to continued to be used in this manner. I am not going to engage in a back and forth p%ssing match with others on this list on these points... -deg deg farrelly ShareStream Administrator/Media Librarian Arizona State University Libraries Tempe, AZ 85287-1006 602.332.3103 -- Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 16:37:28 + From: Brown, Karen E kebr...@albany.edu Subject: [Videolib] Copyright searches for videotape Dear colleagues: The University at Albany, SUNY, is in the process of weeding VHS materials held in our general collection, all of which was commercially produced. Regarding those titles for which a more current format is not available we will need to obtain copyright clearance before we consider reformatting. We are wondering if there are other educational institutions that have worked through a project such as this that have video copyright searching documentation tools or data that they would be willing to share to assist us. Thank you in advance for your input and advice. Best, Karen E.K. Brown Head, Preservation Department University at Albany Libraries 1400 Washington Ave, Room SL 310 Albany, NY 1 Tel. (518) 437 3923 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Copyright Searches for videotape
I don't have time to argue this in detail either (on my way to Cooperstown) but is particularly absurd to claim you can duplicate an allegedly deteriorating work and circulate it i off campus when the law very clearly states it is NOT to go off premise. What does fair use have to do with the CIRCULATION of a copy? Fair Use regards how much of a copyrighted work can be copied or used for a new purpose, it has no relation at all to circulated a copy which 108 expressly forbids. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Deg Farrelly deg.farre...@asu.edu wrote: I am late to this now lengthy conversation, in which many others have already participated. But permit me to make several statements of fact, not opinion, related to the issue at hand. First and foremost, in response to Karen's original question and subject line. Contrary to what others on this list may claim, by US Copyright Law, Section 108, a copyright search is NOT required in order duplicate a title in a library's video collection. What * is * required is a * reasonable search * for a * new * copy at a * reasonable * price. (in other words, due diligence). A VHS tape, for which a NEW VHS copy is available, does not meet the requirements of the law. Other conditions must be met. The original item in the library must be a legally acquired copy, it must meet one of these conditions: lost, damaged, stolen, deteriorating, or in an obsolete format. Read the law here: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#108 The law does not define the term reasonable. The law does define obsolete: For purposes of this subsection, a format shall be considered obsolete if the machine or device necessary to render perceptible a work stored in that format is no longer manufactured or is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace. By the terms of the law, VHS is therefore, not an obsolete format. It can be argued, however, based on the detailed research conducted my Walter Forsberg for the Video at Risk Project (and reported at a National Media Market session November 4, 2013) that VHS is a * deteriorating * format. (I understand that a peer reviewed article on Walter's research is forthcoming later this year.) Also note that the law permits making three (3) copies of the item being duplicated. And while some argue that a copy made within the terms of Section 108 may not leave the library, the law also includes a clause that states that NOTHING in the law trumps rights under Section 107 (commonly called Fair Use). (f) Nothing in this section--... (4) in any way affects the right of fair use as provided by section 107... Thus a library can argue that it is fair use for a copy made within Section 108 provisions, of a video legally acquired for use in classrooms or general circulation outside the library, to continued to be used in this manner. I am not going to engage in a back and forth p%ssing match with others on this list on these points... -deg deg farrelly ShareStream Administrator/Media Librarian Arizona State University Libraries Tempe, AZ 85287-1006 602.332.3103 -- Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 16:37:28 + From: Brown, Karen E kebr...@albany.edu Subject: [Videolib] Copyright searches for videotape Dear colleagues: The University at Albany, SUNY, is in the process of weeding VHS materials held in our general collection, all of which was commercially produced. Regarding those titles for which a more current format is not available we will need to obtain copyright clearance before we consider reformatting. We are wondering if there are other educational institutions that have worked through a project such as this that have video copyright searching documentation tools or data that they would be willing to share to assist us. Thank you in advance for your input and advice. Best, Karen E.K. Brown Head, Preservation Department University at Albany Libraries 1400 Washington Ave, Room SL 310 Albany, NY 1 Tel. (518) 437 3923 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational
Re: [Videolib] Copyright Searches for videotape
Thanks Deg. Also, I confess to speaking hyperbolically (is that a word?) when I said that libraries don’t have VCRs anymore. As I mentioned to Jeff off-line (as I was making sure he hadn’t choked on his water) I should've said Increasingly, libraries have no way to provide access to VHS tapes. Which means that if something is only available on VHS then it might as well not be available at all. And if my job is to connect people with content, then I'd rather have something, even if it's not perfect, than nothing at all. Also, the end is nigh (for VCRs). (Picture me as the crazy guy holding a cardboard sign in the town square.) Matt videolib@lists.berkeley.edu writes: I am late to this now lengthy conversation, in which many others have already participated. But permit me to make several statements of fact, not opinion, related to the issue at hand. First and foremost, in response to Karen's original question and subject line. Contrary to what others on this list may claim, by US Copyright Law, Section 108, a copyright search is NOT required in order duplicate a title in a library's video collection. What * is * required is a * reasonable search * for a * new * copy at a * reasonable * price. (in other words, due diligence). A VHS tape, for which a NEW VHS copy is available, does not meet the requirements of the law. Other conditions must be met. The original item in the library must be a legally acquired copy, it must meet one of these conditions: lost, damaged, stolen, deteriorating, or in an obsolete format. Read the law here: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#108 The law does not define the term reasonable. The law does define obsolete: For purposes of this subsection, a format shall be considered obsolete if the machine or device necessary to render perceptible a work stored in that format is no longer manufactured or is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace. By the terms of the law, VHS is therefore, not an obsolete format. It can be argued, however, based on the detailed research conducted my Walter Forsberg for the Video at Risk Project (and reported at a National Media Market session November 4, 2013) that VHS is a * deteriorating * format. (I understand that a peer reviewed article on Walter's research is forthcoming later this year.) Also note that the law permits making three (3) copies of the item being duplicated. And while some argue that a copy made within the terms of Section 108 may not leave the library, the law also includes a clause that states that NOTHING in the law trumps rights under Section 107 (commonly called Fair Use). (f) Nothing in this section--... (4) in any way affects the right of fair use as provided by section 107... Thus a library can argue that it is fair use for a copy made within Section 108 provisions, of a video legally acquired for use in classrooms or general circulation outside the library, to continued to be used in this manner. I am not going to engage in a back and forth p%ssing match with others on this list on these points... -deg deg farrelly ShareStream Administrator/Media Librarian Arizona State University Libraries Tempe, AZ 85287-1006 602.332.3103 -- Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 16:37:28 + From: Brown, Karen E kebr...@albany.edu Subject: [Videolib] Copyright searches for videotape Dear colleagues: The University at Albany, SUNY, is in the process of weeding VHS materials held in our general collection, all of which was commercially produced. Regarding those titles for which a more current format is not available we will need to obtain copyright clearance before we consider reformatting. We are wondering if there are other educational institutions that have worked through a project such as this that have video copyright searching documentation tools or data that they would be willing to share to assist us. Thank you in advance for your input and advice. Best, Karen E.K. Brown Head, Preservation Department University at Albany Libraries 1400 Washington Ave, Room SL 310 Albany, NY 1 Tel. (518) 437 3923 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. ___ Matt Ball Director, Woodruff Library Pace Academy 966 W. Paces Ferry Rd. Atlanta, GA 30327 mb...@paceacademy.org VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and
Re: [Videolib] Copyright Searches for videotape
We are engaged in a weeding/removal project at my institution as well. We are purchasing DVD replacement copies of VHS tapes where possible and removing VCRs from classrooms and from the library's equipment collection. Our goal is to remove all VHS/VCR resources from campus by January 2015. At some point, one has to let go of older media formats, particularly when one's support capabilities are limited. It's sad that some content will be orphaned in the process. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Matt Ball mb...@paceacademy.org wrote: Thanks Deg. Also, I confess to speaking hyperbolically (is that a word?) when I said that libraries don’t have VCRs anymore. As I mentioned to Jeff off-line (as I was making sure he hadn’t choked on his water) I should've said Increasingly, libraries have no way to provide access to VHS tapes. Which means that if something is only available on VHS then it might as well not be available at all. And if my job is to connect people with content, then I'd rather have something, even if it's not perfect, than nothing at all. Also, the end is nigh (for VCRs). (Picture me as the crazy guy holding a cardboard sign in the town square.) Matt *videolib@lists.berkeley.edu videolib@lists.berkeley.edu writes:* I am late to this now lengthy conversation, in which many others have already participated. But permit me to make several statements of fact, not opinion, related to the issue at hand. First and foremost, in response to Karen's original question and subject line. Contrary to what others on this list may claim, by US Copyright Law, Section 108, a copyright search is NOT required in order duplicate a title in a library's video collection. What * is * required is a * reasonable search * for a * new * copy at a * reasonable * price. (in other words, due diligence). A VHS tape, for which a NEW VHS copy is available, does not meet the requirements of the law. Other conditions must be met. The original item in the library must be a legally acquired copy, it must meet one of these conditions: lost, damaged, stolen, deteriorating, or in an obsolete format. Read the law here: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#108 The law does not define the term reasonable. The law does define obsolete: For purposes of this subsection, a format shall be considered obsolete if the machine or device necessary to render perceptible a work stored in that format is no longer manufactured or is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace. By the terms of the law, VHS is therefore, not an obsolete format. It can be argued, however, based on the detailed research conducted my Walter Forsberg for the Video at Risk Project (and reported at a National Media Market session November 4, 2013) that VHS is a * deteriorating * format. (I understand that a peer reviewed article on Walter's research is forthcoming later this year.) Also note that the law permits making three (3) copies of the item being duplicated. And while some argue that a copy made within the terms of Section 108 may not leave the library, the law also includes a clause that states that NOTHING in the law trumps rights under Section 107 (commonly called Fair Use). (f) Nothing in this section--... (4) in any way affects the right of fair use as provided by section 107... Thus a library can argue that it is fair use for a copy made within Section 108 provisions, of a video legally acquired for use in classrooms or general circulation outside the library, to continued to be used in this manner. I am not going to engage in a back and forth p%ssing match with others on this list on these points... -deg deg farrelly ShareStream Administrator/Media Librarian Arizona State University Libraries Tempe, AZ 85287-1006 602.332.3103 -- Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 16:37:28 + From: Brown, Karen E kebr...@albany.edu Subject: [Videolib] Copyright searches for videotape Dear colleagues: The University at Albany, SUNY, is in the process of weeding VHS materials held in our general collection, all of which was commercially produced. Regarding those titles for which a more current format is not available we will need to obtain copyright clearance before we consider reformatting. We are wondering if there are other educational institutions that have worked through a project such as this that have video copyright searching documentation tools or data that they would be willing to share to assist us. Thank you in advance for your input and advice. Best, Karen E.K. Brown Head, Preservation Department University at Albany Libraries 1400 Washington Ave, Room SL 310 Albany, NY 1 Tel. (518) 437 3923 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation,
