Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund
I agree AppleVis is a good example of crowd sourcing, but if this were to be implemented in the App Store then it would reach more blind people and have more visibility to the app developers. You're right, in app purchases could be used to allow people to try software before buying, but I've only seen this implemented in the App Store in a very few cases. Maybe this will change over time. On 08/04/2013 12:52 AM, David Chittenden wrote: Yes, and the same exists in the App Store. Developers can choose to set up in-app purchases. It is no longer necessary for them to have a free version and a pay version. As for crowd-sourcing, Applevis is our version of crowd sourcing. If you don't want to take any risks, stick to the apps which others state are accessible in our crowd-sourcing option. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 04/08/2013, at 17:29, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I think the difference here is that there have been plenty of instances where I've been able to download a trial of some software, to determine if it's accessible or not. Sometimes it requires a key to be purchased before it stops functioning or it's functionality is some how limited until you purchase a key or an upgrade. In general, I don't purchase software for my PC unless I can try it out ahead of time or get a pretty detailed review or demo of the software. Apple's policies don't allow trials for apps in the App Store, so I think it's OK to ask Apple to be part of the solution here. On 08/04/2013 12:11 AM, David Chittenden wrote: Reading these messages, I am reminded of computer software throughout the past 30 years. When you purchase a program on disk in a store, the policy is, and has been for the past 30 years, that if you open the packaging, you cannot return the program. I wasted many dollars purchasing software that turned out to be inaccessible. Very occasionally, I was able to convince the shop to refund my money, but usually I was out of luck. The real question is why has our computer culture been like this for at least the previous 30 years? The answer is, software piracy. In the beginning of computer usage, when disks took the place of punch cards, people figured out how to exactly duplicate software. So, they would purchase the program disk, take it home, open it, copy it, return the disk to the store, say it did not meet their needs, get a refund, and return home to use their now free software. The more enterprising amongst them would share the software, or even sell the software. This is otherwise known as piracy, and it is very big business. Oh, and save for a few business enterprise exceptions, most purchased computer software cannot be returned, even if it is inaccessible. And, it definitely cannot be try-it before you buy-it. So, what about the App Store? Apple ties your software purchase to your account to reduce software piracy. However, any app you purchase immediately and permanently exists on your iOS device and in any external back-up medium. So, when you get a refund from Apple, you still have access to the app. You will not be able to upgrade it without purchasing it again, but the original software may well be in your possession. Unless you agree to allow Apple to make random spot-checks of your iOS device to confirm that you have, indeed, removed any and all incidents of the software, and they can check in several months time to continue verifying that you are not secretly running the software you haven't paid for, well, that is the other side of the argument. If I was an app developer, I would not want to know my apps were being pirated. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 04/08/2013, at 13:45, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com mailto:aman.sin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, alan. You say what happens when a sighted person gets an app and they think it doesn't meet their needs. With respect, that depends on whether the description accurately told the sighted user what the application would do. If the textual description and the screenshots the app store presented gave an accurate description of the app, then the user has nothing to complain of. If the description was inaccurate, then the user should get a refund. THe problem, of course, for the blind user is that the description may or may not be true. The app may say it can do X, and may in fact do X for a sighted user but not for a user of VO. For the VO user, the description is simply false unless it says that VO will not work with the app. It seems plain that the VO user is entitled to an accurate description, one which says whether the app will actually do what it says it will. Failing that, the user is entitled to try the product to see if the description is false. Failing even that, the user is entitled to a refund if the description
Re: iPhone voiceover not reading the preview of my messages in my mail app, help?
Wow! Well I’ll be. Thanks for that. But, this makes absolutely no sense to me. On what planet is being able to read the preview of mail a hint? I think having to make Voiceover so universally verbose just to hear the preview is annoying at best, unbareable at worse. :(. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Aug 4, 2013, at 1:57 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Make sure hints are turned on. If VoiceOver hints is turned off, the preview will not be read. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 04/08/2013, at 11:51, Nimit Gmail kaur.ni...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, You guys know when you are browsing the messages/emails in your iPhone mail app, voiceover, reads like, unread, sender name, subject, and the preview of the email before you actually open to view it? For example, Unread, kaur.ni...@gmail.com, test message, this is a test message for the trial and then, whatever I wrote after that. I used my email and made my subject and message according to how vo sounds, when browsing through the mail app in order to clearly ask my question. Now, when I am viewing my mails, it stopped reading me the preview of the message like it used to before. By that, I mean, from my example, where I said, this is a test message.. It stopped reading that. I went into settings and mail, contacts and callendar and preview and it's two lines. What should I do, so it reads me the preview instead of me having to open a message and decide whether I want to delete it or what not. What should I do? Using iPhone 5 with latest software version. Thank you for your assistance. Sent from my iPad -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: iPhone voiceover not reading the preview of my messages in my mail app, help?
Well, you only hear the hints after a bit of a pause, so I find it doesn't bother me as far as overall VoiceOver verbosity is concerned. I also find it analogous to those apps that use the number of items bubble to let you know things like what temperature it is. Who knows, maybe we'll get more granularity in IOS 7. On 08/04/2013 01:10 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Wow! Well I’ll be. Thanks for that. But, this makes absolutely no sense to me. On what planet is being able to read the preview of mail a hint? I think having to make Voiceover so universally verbose just to hear the preview is annoying at best, unbareable at worse. :(. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Aug 4, 2013, at 1:57 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Make sure hints are turned on. If VoiceOver hints is turned off, the preview will not be read. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 04/08/2013, at 11:51, Nimit Gmail kaur.ni...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, You guys know when you are browsing the messages/emails in your iPhone mail app, voiceover, reads like, unread, sender name, subject, and the preview of the email before you actually open to view it? For example, Unread, kaur.ni...@gmail.com, test message, this is a test message for the trial and then, whatever I wrote after that. I used my email and made my subject and message according to how vo sounds, when browsing through the mail app in order to clearly ask my question. Now, when I am viewing my mails, it stopped reading me the preview of the message like it used to before. By that, I mean, from my example, where I said, this is a test message.. It stopped reading that. I went into settings and mail, contacts and callendar and preview and it's two lines. What should I do, so it reads me the preview instead of me having to open a message and decide whether I want to delete it or what not. What should I do? Using iPhone 5 with latest software version. Thank you for your assistance. Sent from my iPad -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Restoring a prior version of an app
Thanks for the great explanation, Alan. Sent from Kimber's iPhone On Aug 2, 2013, at 11:30 AM, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com wrote: Kimber, you can roll back to a prior version of an app provided you made a back up copy of it to another folder on your computer. By default, apps are stored in a folder called Mobile Applications located under iTunes\iTunes Media below your default documents folder. The default documents folder will vary depending on your operating system. I've created a folder called Backup just under my Mobile Applications folder and whenever I install or upgrade an app, I make sure to copy its ipa file to this Backup folder in case I ever want to return to another version. Provided you have a backup, you would uninstall the app on your phone by double tapping and holding its button until you hear that blurpy sound. You can then double tap its button again to delete it. Make sure you then press the home button once to return to normal operation from the editing/move mode. Then, on your computer, copy your previous app version's ipa file to the Automatically Add to iTunes folder which is located under the iTunes Media folder previously discussed. Launch iTunes which should ask you if you want to install an older version of an app already in your library. Tell it yes and then sync your phone with iTunes. This should put the older version back on your phone. I'm getting ready to do this myself to return to All Access version 2.0 from the current 2.2 which is not working for me when I search restaurants by name. Alan Lemly -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 8:32 AM To: viphone Subject: Restoring a prior version of an app Hi, I'd like to go back to a prior version of Keeper since the newest version is broken, but I'm not sure how or even if it's possible. I back my iPhone up to my laptop and haven't done a sync since updating Keeper on my phone. Is it possible to restore Keeper to the old version from my laptop? If it is, how do I do that? Thanks for any help. Kimber -- Kimberly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: iPhone voiceover not reading the preview of my messages in my mail app, help?
Hi, Maybe so. haha. I still think “hints” is a bit misleading. I just turned hints on and, its not just telling me what things do, its giving me access to information I had no idea even existed. For example, with hints off, the weather widget in notifications center tells you the current temp, day or night, and weather condition. With hints on, bringing Voiceover focus to the widget tells you that plus the high and low temperatures for the next 5 days. That’s a lot more than a friendly hint to double tap. But like you said, maybe there will be a change pertaining this in IOS 7. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Aug 4, 2013, at 2:14 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: Well, you only hear the hints after a bit of a pause, so I find it doesn't bother me as far as overall VoiceOver verbosity is concerned. I also find it analogous to those apps that use the number of items bubble to let you know things like what temperature it is. Who knows, maybe we'll get more granularity in IOS 7. On 08/04/2013 01:10 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Wow! Well I’ll be. Thanks for that. But, this makes absolutely no sense to me. On what planet is being able to read the preview of mail a hint? I think having to make Voiceover so universally verbose just to hear the preview is annoying at best, unbearable at worse. :(. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Aug 4, 2013, at 1:57 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Make sure hints are turned on. If VoiceOver hints is turned off, the preview will not be read. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 04/08/2013, at 11:51, Nimit Gmail kaur.ni...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, You guys know when you are browsing the messages/emails in your iPhone mail app, voiceover, reads like, unread, sender name, subject, and the preview of the email before you actually open to view it? For example, Unread, kaur.ni...@gmail.com, test message, this is a test message for the trial and then, whatever I wrote after that. I used my email and made my subject and message according to how vo sounds, when browsing through the mail app in order to clearly ask my question. Now, when I am viewing my mails, it stopped reading me the preview of the message like it used to before. By that, I mean, from my example, where I said, this is a test message.. It stopped reading that. I went into settings and mail, contacts and callendar and preview and it's two lines. What should I do, so it reads me the preview instead of me having to open a message and decide whether I want to delete it or what not. What should I do? Using iPhone 5 with latest software version. Thank you for your assistance. Sent from my iPad -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators
Re: iPhone voiceover not reading the preview of my messages in my mail app, help?
You must turn voice over hints on for this feature to work. It was added in iOS five. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 04/08/2013, at 12:41, Larry Smith larry.smith...@gmail.com wrote: I have the iPhone 5. I do get the first 5 lines of the email read automatically. If you go to settings, mail, contacts, calendars, and swipe down, you will find an option that says preview X lines button. Five lines is the maximum. On Aug 3, 2013, at 8:00 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Since the first version of the iPhone came out in 2009 that supported Voiceover, I don’t remember Voiceover ever reading the preview in mail. Just sender subject and date/time. I remember actually writing Apple accessibility a long time ago asking for this feature. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Aug 3, 2013, at 7:51 PM, Nimit Gmail kaur.ni...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, You guys know when you are browsing the messages/emails in your iPhone mail app, voiceover, reads like, unread, sender name, subject, and the preview of the email before you actually open to view it? For example, Unread, kaur.ni...@gmail.com, test message, this is a test message for the trial and then, whatever I wrote after that. I used my email and made my subject and message according to how vo sounds, when browsing through the mail app in order to clearly ask my question. Now, when I am viewing my mails, it stopped reading me the preview of the message like it used to before. By that, I mean, from my example, where I said, this is a test message.. It stopped reading that. I went into settings and mail, contacts and callendar and preview and it's two lines. What should I do, so it reads me the preview instead of me having to open a message and decide whether I want to delete it or what not. What should I do? Using iPhone 5 with latest software version. Thank you for your assistance. Sent from my iPad -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and
Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund
Hi Joseph and list. Actually there is already a function to assess accessibility of an app. This is built into Apple's development environment, XCode. The function is called Accessibility Inspector. So Apple does have the ability to get a simple and impartial report on the status of the accessibility of all apps which come through their reviewers on-route to the App Store. As for training for in-house staff, since the access technology has been a part of iOS for some time now and is honestly not difficult to learn, all that would be needed would be a single live class at the very most. The fact is is that the features of Universal Access are already documented so it is even possible for Apple to simply ask it's app reviewers to read the manual so to speak. It is also a safe assumption to make that app reviewers need to acquaint themselves with new material every time a significant update is made to the iOS SDK so that they can review apps properly. So this idea that training is a big and costly issue is untrue. Training is par for the course. Lastly, as I already have sent a note to Apple Accessibility as of last night, one of my proposals to them would be to simply review if an app's main advertised features are accessible / usable with VO. So it is possible that not every feature of every app is evaluated but for now, I believe this is a very reasonable beginning to pursue. This gets back to another idea you mention below, Joseph. This idea is that if we cannot figure out every detail perfectly now, then there is no reason to go ahead with any ideas at all. Respectfully, this is like saying 'Since one has no idea how the rest of their life will play out that one should not start living it.' :) This is a process and one which we can have a hand in refining as we go. This is what Apple has been doing since the Mac and iOS have become accessible. Things are refined and changed as they go. I believe this is how we should begin now. let's propose something simple that gets the ball rolling. From there we can work together for it to grow and change. Just as a note, I also did suggest to Apple that they consider this as an opportunity for this community to be involved in the process. After all, who better to work with accessibility than those who are already proficient at it? This would be an excellent opportunity for jobs for this community. I want to thank you all for keeping this discussion going!… Thanks All, have a great night / rest of your weekend! Smiles, Cara :) On Aug 3, 2013, at 7:25 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: I believe Aman has made great points. Furthermore, it is not likely Apple will successfully achieve a VoiceOver ratings system any time soon as there is just too much subjective criteria at play. 1. Who is going to be the person at Apple who has determined that an app is accessible? 2. What constitutes accessibility? Accessing 60% of an apps features? 70%? 90? 100%? 3. If Apple allows the developer to determine that their app is accessible, then you might end up in tons of wasted customer service time in that the blind customer spending hours and days of their and Apple's time trying to convince Apple that the app developer lied because of X feature not being accessible. I'm having a tough time accepting that someone would take countless hours and even days of their time for $1 or $3. In the end, while the person might get a refund, they will have probably spent some $100 in time for that single $3 refund. I've found that its much easier to let it go. :) 4. There are some 500,000 apps in the Apps store, who at Apple is going to test all of those apps for accessibility? This means Apple will need to train a large team of individuals to determine what is accessible and what is not or what is semi-accessible and what is not. All this means time, effort, and tons of costs. 5. What exactly is meant by Accessibility? Apple will absolutely have to define and address this question before taking any first steps to achieve it. There are still some holes in the ADA, and if the 600+ house and senate members including the president had a tough time defining reasonable accommodations, then it is likely a business will not want to get anywhere near this issue unless forced to do so. 6. In Windows 8, Microsoft has tried this accessibility tag in their Windows store and many developers have chosen to list their apps as accessible even though these aps cannot be used by a blind individual. Remember, accessibility means lots more than just accessible to the blind. Again, we're back to how will Apple implement such a system? Will they leave it in the hands of the developer, or will they use their own team which accepts or rejects submitted apps. If they do it in-house, this means training either all of their employs or this means training a select group; if so, this will have to be quite a large group. Don't get me
Re: A somewhat positive update about my app refunds
Oddly, I have issues with app store showing the right balance anyway. I know there's button in there and you have to do the id and password thing; and maybe it updates then. They need to look at and fix the whole thing. Rh. - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 6:03 AM Subject: A somewhat positive update about my app refunds Hello again Listers, OK, so Alishia from iTunes Store support is talking to me again *smile*. Anyhow, I had written another new message (not a reply) explaining exactly what happened and Alishia replied shortly after stating that 2 apps had been credited to my account on July 22 which would have been the same day she told me the credit should happen within 48 hours. The problem is that I have not seen the credit on my account. I was told that I might have to sign out of my account and back in for this to show up and I did this several times that week. Anyhow, I told her about this and she promised to investigate what is going on, but it appears my initial complaint may have been unfounded since the refund was processed promptly and it may all be some technical problem, who knows, maybe she accidently refunded it to somebody elses Apple Id, but I am sure whatever it is it will soon come out. Regards, Sieghard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund
I'm sorry but this is not accurate: This gets back to another idea you mention below, Joseph. This idea is that if we cannot figure out every detail perfectly now, then there is no reason to go ahead with any ideas at all. This is clearly not at all what I stated nor meant. I never presented this either or situation. I also never said anything about the need for perfection, nor did I say anything about various levels of accessibility being impossible. My point was to convey that these matters are not as easy as many have so far asserted. If anyone here has ever developed any sort of cognitive assessment tool like a standardized test he or she will know exactly what I mean. There is a huge variability in the human experience and though one can derive averages, it is difficult to find common ground in these matters. Hence, different models of automobiles, apps that do the same thing, favorite X and Y, etc. Again, one can gather a bunch of voluounteers, but once the dream becomes work, you will lose a large percentage of your volunteers and will be forced to pay someone or leave the idea as just that. With that said, let's see how many people volunteer from this point on to demand accessibility from Apple. Please understand that I'm not trying to incite anything, I'm only presenting a perspective many have not considered, but one that is always present and difficult to overcome. I belong to the same population of individuals as the rest of you, I'm only conveying that there's lots that has not been considered. Joseph - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn modelc...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 12:27 AM Subject: Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund Hi Joseph and list. Actually there is already a function to assess accessibility of an app. This is built into Apple's development environment, XCode. The function is called Accessibility Inspector. So Apple does have the ability to get a simple and impartial report on the status of the accessibility of all apps which come through their reviewers on-route to the App Store. As for training for in-house staff, since the access technology has been a part of iOS for some time now and is honestly not difficult to learn, all that would be needed would be a single live class at the very most. The fact is is that the features of Universal Access are already documented so it is even possible for Apple to simply ask it's app reviewers to read the manual so to speak. It is also a safe assumption to make that app reviewers need to acquaint themselves with new material every time a significant update is made to the iOS SDK so that they can review apps properly. So this idea that training is a big and costly issue is untrue. Training is par for the course. Lastly, as I already have sent a note to Apple Accessibility as of last night, one of my proposals to them would be to simply review if an app's main advertised features are accessible / usable with VO. So it is possible that not every feature of every app is evaluated but for now, I believe this is a very reasonable beginning to pursue. This gets back to another idea you mention below, Joseph. This idea is that if we cannot figure out every detail perfectly now, then there is no reason to go ahead with any ideas at all. Respectfully, this is like saying 'Since one has no idea how the rest of their life will play out that one should not start living it.' :) This is a process and one which we can have a hand in refining as we go. This is what Apple has been doing since the Mac and iOS have become accessible. Things are refined and changed as they go. I believe this is how we should begin now. let's propose something simple that gets the ball rolling. From there we can work together for it to grow and change. Just as a note, I also did suggest to Apple that they consider this as an opportunity for this community to be involved in the process. After all, who better to work with accessibility than those who are already proficient at it? This would be an excellent opportunity for jobs for this community. I want to thank you all for keeping this discussion going!… Thanks All, have a great night / rest of your weekend! Smiles, Cara :) On Aug 3, 2013, at 7:25 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: I believe Aman has made great points. Furthermore, it is not likely Apple will successfully achieve a VoiceOver ratings system any time soon as there is just too much subjective criteria at play. 1. Who is going to be the person at Apple who has determined that an app is accessible? 2. What constitutes accessibility? Accessing 60% of an apps features? 70%? 90? 100%? 3. If Apple allows the developer to determine that their app is accessible, then you might end up in tons of wasted customer service time in that the blind customer spending hours and days of their and Apple's time trying
Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund
Christopher, thank you very much for these points! Impossible is merely a state of mind. (And a dangerous one at that) The fact is that many things which were once thought to be impossible are now not only shown as possible but done every day. In fact, a big reason Apple has been as innovative as it has is because Steve Jobs chose to think of possibility rather than impossibility. Honestly, how many people here would have ever thought that any company would have ever made accessibility not only a part of their ongoing business practices but a very part of their company's DNA? I think I'd not be understating if I said most people here now who are devoted iPhone users would have maybe not thought of this actually happening, or at least not to the degree that Apple has made this happen… Yes?… Sure, Apple is certainly a corporation and concerned with doing business, but Apple is also concerned with creating inspiring products as well as making those products and services accessible to as many people as possible. This is also good business. :) Others have sighted money as a concern. I'd simply say let Apple worry about their finances. Let us concentrate on being clear on our needs and what we can contribute. K? Again Christopher, thanks a bunch and talk with you soon! Smiles, Cara :) On Aug 3, 2013, at 10:20 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: Why do you assume I'm trying to one up you? I just don't agree with you. That doesn't mean I'm trying to one up you. Crowd sourcing and publicly rating applications is fairly common place these days. It's not perfect, but if you get enough people on one side or the other it becomes pretty evident that an app is either accessible or it isn't. Of course, each person's rating is subjective but this will be evened out in the aggregate. Are you saying that the ratings in the App store or on Amazon are meaningless because each person's assessment is subjective? If that's what you're saying then I wouldn't agree. These ratings do have some value, although they may not be the be all and the end all. They are another data point. An automated test suite for accessibility wouldn't be perfect but it would be a starting point. Again, it's another data point, and it could be improved over time. It could also be used in conjunction with other criteria, e.g. if you state your app is accessible in the App Store, and it isn't, then customers and Apple can demand refunds. There are automated test suites out there for accessibility, so this isn't a new concept. It is true that they aren't perfect, and you're going to get some false positives or some false negatives, but like I said, it's a starting point and something to work off of. I agree that accessibility is hard and needs to be well thought out, but I'm not sure I see your alternative. It sounds like you're saying accessibility is impossible so we shouldn't even try. I don't agree with that at all, and I think discussions like this can help work out a solution and some answers. I'm sorry, but I also thought your analogy was silly. Even if you'd said building a highway over the Atlantic between the US and Europe or building a highway over the Pacific between the US and Asia, I still would have thought it was a silly and pointless analogy. An analogy is good when there's actually a relationship between what you're discussing and the analogy you're making. In your case, you just picked something at random that sounds impossible. Accessibility and assessing accessibility is not impossible. It's hard, takes some thought and ultimately will be a lot of work, but Apple has a lot of resources and has demonstrated a commitment to accessibility, so I don't think it's impossible, but it will be if people don't brain storm and discuss different possibilities. On 08/03/2013 11:31 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote: Oh no! not this list too! Why does everyone on these lists have to try to one-up everyone else! I prefaced my statements by conveying the Asian continent as an extreme example. I think you understood what I meant. Your crowd sourcing idea would not work because we're right back to what I stated in regards to who's opinion is best? The automated testing suite would not work as it will undoubtedly yield tons of false positives and will give the developer an out as he or she will undoubtedly claim they ran their app through this suite and all looked fine. Because I've been here done that, I'm sorry but I'm now walking away from this type of one upping. I think most got my point in that simply demanding for accessibility is not easy and involves lots of thought and. I just wanted to convey a point which I'm sure all others got. Joseph - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 8:57 PM Subject: Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund
Re: iPhone voiceover not reading the preview of my messages in my mail app, help?
Hi Ricardo, Yes, I agree, but you do know that you can have hints as a setting in your rotor, do you? this way you can easily turn hints on or off. I do agree though. Smiles, Cara :) On Aug 3, 2013, at 11:10 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Wow! Well I’ll be. Thanks for that. But, this makes absolutely no sense to me. On what planet is being able to read the preview of mail a hint? I think having to make Voiceover so universally verbose just to hear the preview is annoying at best, unbareable at worse. :(. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Aug 4, 2013, at 1:57 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Make sure hints are turned on. If VoiceOver hints is turned off, the preview will not be read. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 04/08/2013, at 11:51, Nimit Gmail kaur.ni...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, You guys know when you are browsing the messages/emails in your iPhone mail app, voiceover, reads like, unread, sender name, subject, and the preview of the email before you actually open to view it? For example, Unread, kaur.ni...@gmail.com, test message, this is a test message for the trial and then, whatever I wrote after that. I used my email and made my subject and message according to how vo sounds, when browsing through the mail app in order to clearly ask my question. Now, when I am viewing my mails, it stopped reading me the preview of the message like it used to before. By that, I mean, from my example, where I said, this is a test message.. It stopped reading that. I went into settings and mail, contacts and callendar and preview and it's two lines. What should I do, so it reads me the preview instead of me having to open a message and decide whether I want to delete it or what not. What should I do? Using iPhone 5 with latest software version. Thank you for your assistance. Sent from my iPad -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More
Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund
Hi Joseph, thanks for an excellent post! My apologies if I misunderstood you. Just so you know, I deal with User Experience / Human Factors professionally on a daily basis. I say this with the utmost respect to you. While you are presenting your perspective, it seems that rather than presenting any positive steps forward, you seem to simply be saying how other's ideas are failing. It sounds like you have a very good understanding of human factors and UX so what would be a step you might propose to help us along in our journey to having a reasonably balanced App Store experience? How would this look to you? I would very much enjoy reading your thoughts on this. Please. I would very much love it for you to feel comfortable contributing your own ideas to help move this discussion forward and share your own positive steps which we can consider. This is what this list is about after all. We all need to feel good about sharing our ideas here. Thank you so much! Smiles, Cara :) On Aug 4, 2013, at 12:54 AM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry but this is not accurate: This gets back to another idea you mention below, Joseph. This idea is that if we cannot figure out every detail perfectly now, then there is no reason to go ahead with any ideas at all. This is clearly not at all what I stated nor meant. I never presented this either or situation. I also never said anything about the need for perfection, nor did I say anything about various levels of accessibility being impossible. My point was to convey that these matters are not as easy as many have so far asserted. If anyone here has ever developed any sort of cognitive assessment tool like a standardized test he or she will know exactly what I mean. There is a huge variability in the human experience and though one can derive averages, it is difficult to find common ground in these matters. Hence, different models of automobiles, apps that do the same thing, favorite X and Y, etc. Again, one can gather a bunch of voluounteers, but once the dream becomes work, you will lose a large percentage of your volunteers and will be forced to pay someone or leave the idea as just that. With that said, let's see how many people volunteer from this point on to demand accessibility from Apple. Please understand that I'm not trying to incite anything, I'm only presenting a perspective many have not considered, but one that is always present and difficult to overcome. I belong to the same population of individuals as the rest of you, I'm only conveying that there's lots that has not been considered. Joseph - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn modelc...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 12:27 AM Subject: Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund Hi Joseph and list. Actually there is already a function to assess accessibility of an app. This is built into Apple's development environment, XCode. The function is called Accessibility Inspector. So Apple does have the ability to get a simple and impartial report on the status of the accessibility of all apps which come through their reviewers on-route to the App Store. As for training for in-house staff, since the access technology has been a part of iOS for some time now and is honestly not difficult to learn, all that would be needed would be a single live class at the very most. The fact is is that the features of Universal Access are already documented so it is even possible for Apple to simply ask it's app reviewers to read the manual so to speak. It is also a safe assumption to make that app reviewers need to acquaint themselves with new material every time a significant update is made to the iOS SDK so that they can review apps properly. So this idea that training is a big and costly issue is untrue. Training is par for the course. Lastly, as I already have sent a note to Apple Accessibility as of last night, one of my proposals to them would be to simply review if an app's main advertised features are accessible / usable with VO. So it is possible that not every feature of every app is evaluated but for now, I believe this is a very reasonable beginning to pursue. This gets back to another idea you mention below, Joseph. This idea is that if we cannot figure out every detail perfectly now, then there is no reason to go ahead with any ideas at all. Respectfully, this is like saying 'Since one has no idea how the rest of their life will play out that one should not start living it.' :) This is a process and one which we can have a hand in refining as we go. This is what Apple has been doing since the Mac and iOS have become accessible. Things are refined and changed as they go. I believe this is how we should begin now. let's propose something simple that gets the ball rolling. From there we can work together for it to grow and change. Just as a note, I also
Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund
Hi Cara, Yup. I saw that. It does help but, it still has what I think is an important drawback. Its impossible to no where hints will just give you basic instructions or explanations, and when you will come across some tangible information that just isn't spoken by Voiceover with hints off. This being the case, I have found myself just leaving hints on because, I don’t know what I could be missing. lol. Its still funny to me after using IOS for 4 years now, I never thought to turn hints on since the first day it was introduced to IOS. Now I’m going through a bunch of my apps seeing what information I could have been missing. :). Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Aug 4, 2013, at 3:27 AM, Cara Quinn modelc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Joseph and list. Actually there is already a function to assess accessibility of an app. This is built into Apple's development environment, XCode. The function is called Accessibility Inspector. So Apple does have the ability to get a simple and impartial report on the status of the accessibility of all apps which come through their reviewers on-route to the App Store. As for training for in-house staff, since the access technology has been a part of iOS for some time now and is honestly not difficult to learn, all that would be needed would be a single live class at the very most. The fact is is that the features of Universal Access are already documented so it is even possible for Apple to simply ask it's app reviewers to read the manual so to speak. It is also a safe assumption to make that app reviewers need to acquaint themselves with new material every time a significant update is made to the iOS SDK so that they can review apps properly. So this idea that training is a big and costly issue is untrue. Training is par for the course. Lastly, as I already have sent a note to Apple Accessibility as of last night, one of my proposals to them would be to simply review if an app's main advertised features are accessible / usable with VO. So it is possible that not every feature of every app is evaluated but for now, I believe this is a very reasonable beginning to pursue. This gets back to another idea you mention below, Joseph. This idea is that if we cannot figure out every detail perfectly now, then there is no reason to go ahead with any ideas at all. Respectfully, this is like saying 'Since one has no idea how the rest of their life will play out that one should not start living it.' :) This is a process and one which we can have a hand in refining as we go. This is what Apple has been doing since the Mac and iOS have become accessible. Things are refined and changed as they go. I believe this is how we should begin now. let's propose something simple that gets the ball rolling. From there we can work together for it to grow and change. Just as a note, I also did suggest to Apple that they consider this as an opportunity for this community to be involved in the process. After all, who better to work with accessibility than those who are already proficient at it? This would be an excellent opportunity for jobs for this community. I want to thank you all for keeping this discussion going!… Thanks All, have a great night / rest of your weekend! Smiles, Cara :) On Aug 3, 2013, at 7:25 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: I believe Aman has made great points. Furthermore, it is not likely Apple will successfully achieve a VoiceOver ratings system any time soon as there is just too much subjective criteria at play. 1. Who is going to be the person at Apple who has determined that an app is accessible? 2. What constitutes accessibility? Accessing 60% of an apps features? 70%? 90? 100%? 3. If Apple allows the developer to determine that their app is accessible, then you might end up in tons of wasted customer service time in that the blind customer spending hours and days of their and Apple's time trying to convince Apple that the app developer lied because of X feature not being accessible. I'm having a tough time accepting that someone would take countless hours and even days of their time for $1 or $3. In the end, while the person might get a refund, they will have probably spent some $100 in time for that single $3 refund. I've found that its much easier to let it go. :) 4. There are some 500,000 apps in the Apps store, who at Apple is going to test all of those apps for accessibility? This means Apple will need to train a large team of individuals to determine what is accessible and what is not or what is semi-accessible and what is not. All this means time, effort, and tons of costs. 5. What exactly is meant by Accessibility? Apple will absolutely have to define and address this question before taking any first steps to achieve it. There are still some
VoiceOver hints [was Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund]
You get that pregnant pause before the hints are spoken. I'll be curious if that helps alleviate your concerns over the VoiceOver verbosity or not. BTW, I think you replied to the wrong message. On 08/04/2013 03:29 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi Cara, Yup. I saw that. It does help but, it still has what I think is an important drawback. Its impossible to no where hints will just give you basic instructions or explanations, and when you will come across some tangible information that just isn't spoken by Voiceover with hints off. This being the case, I have found myself just leaving hints on because, I don’t know what I could be missing. lol. Its still funny to me after using IOS for 4 years now, I never thought to turn hints on since the first day it was introduced to IOS. Now I’m going through a bunch of my apps seeing what information I could have been missing. :). Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Aug 4, 2013, at 3:27 AM, Cara Quinn modelc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Joseph and list. Actually there is already a function to assess accessibility of an app. This is built into Apple's development environment, XCode. The function is called Accessibility Inspector. So Apple does have the ability to get a simple and impartial report on the status of the accessibility of all apps which come through their reviewers on-route to the App Store. As for training for in-house staff, since the access technology has been a part of iOS for some time now and is honestly not difficult to learn, all that would be needed would be a single live class at the very most. The fact is is that the features of Universal Access are already documented so it is even possible for Apple to simply ask it's app reviewers to read the manual so to speak. It is also a safe assumption to make that app reviewers need to acquaint themselves with new material every time a significant update is made to the iOS SDK so that they can review apps properly. So this idea that training is a big and costly issue is untrue. Training is par for the course. Lastly, as I already have sent a note to Apple Accessibility as of last night, one of my proposals to them would be to simply review if an app's main advertised features are accessible / usable with VO. So it is possible that not every feature of every app is evaluated but for now, I believe this is a very reasonable beginning to pursue. This gets back to another idea you mention below, Joseph. This idea is that if we cannot figure out every detail perfectly now, then there is no reason to go ahead with any ideas at all. Respectfully, this is like saying 'Since one has no idea how the rest of their life will play out that one should not start living it.' :) This is a process and one which we can have a hand in refining as we go. This is what Apple has been doing since the Mac and iOS have become accessible. Things are refined and changed as they go. I believe this is how we should begin now. let's propose something simple that gets the ball rolling. From there we can work together for it to grow and change. Just as a note, I also did suggest to Apple that they consider this as an opportunity for this community to be involved in the process. After all, who better to work with accessibility than those who are already proficient at it? This would be an excellent opportunity for jobs for this community. I want to thank you all for keeping this discussion going!… Thanks All, have a great night / rest of your weekend! Smiles, Cara :) On Aug 3, 2013, at 7:25 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: I believe Aman has made great points. Furthermore, it is not likely Apple will successfully achieve a VoiceOver ratings system any time soon as there is just too much subjective criteria at play. 1. Who is going to be the person at Apple who has determined that an app is accessible? 2. What constitutes accessibility? Accessing 60% of an apps features? 70%? 90? 100%? 3. If Apple allows the developer to determine that their app is accessible, then you might end up in tons of wasted customer service time in that the blind customer spending hours and days of their and Apple's time trying to convince Apple that the app developer lied because of X feature not being accessible. I'm having a tough time accepting that someone would take countless hours and even days of their time for $1 or $3. In the end, while the person might get a refund, they will have probably spent some $100 in time for that single $3 refund. I've found that its much easier to let it go. :) 4. There are some 500,000 apps in the Apps store, who at Apple is going to test all of those apps for accessibility? This means Apple will need to train a large team of individuals to determine what is accessible and what is not or what is semi-accessible and what is not. All this means time, effort, and tons of costs. 5. What
Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund
Hello, Joseph. Let me also thank you for your civility. Now, very briefly, you write I believe I made it clear I was referring to an Apple Accessibility policy that is inclusive of All apps and not just those on AppleVis. You were perfectly clear, the only reason I raised applevis at all was because I wished to object to your view that subjectivity is an obstacle to the understanding of accessibility. Otherwise, applevis has nothing to do with what I was saying except that it shows that subjectivity of what is and is not accessible need not be a significant problem. As to the last part of your message, I agree that accessibility testing will cost money. This is why all I pursue would be refunds for inaccessible products. Though this is not perfect, it is fairly satisfactory and all that can be done through legal compultion, in my view. If anyone can get more from Aplle, I would be overjoyed, but I do not expect it. Aman On 2013-08-04, at 1:06 AM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Aman, Thank you for your polite response--always enjoy this type of interaction. I believe I made it clear I was referring to an Apple Accessibility policy that is inclusive of All apps and not just those on AppleVis. (Smile). The Appleviz website relies on the relatively few who have and enjoy taking the time to add comments. Let's say at most they have reviewed 500 apps within recent years, well, as you know, there are 500,000+ in the apps store. Again, all of your and other's suggestions sound like 100% common sense proposals, but the wheels fall off when you actually implement something like this in reality or on a global app store basis. This cost money, money, money, and unless pushed into it, there aren't too many private sector businesses that will make such accommodations without something in return as is the case with Apple and their relationships with governmental public sector businesses. I never used the word impossible to describe the current situation, it was introduced into the conversation by another list member Christian something or other. Thanks, Joseph - Original Message - From: Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund Hello, Joseph. I must respectfully disagree with you. To describe an application's accessibility to VO users is so far from impossible that it is being done every day on Applevis. You are certainly correct that there are some subjective aspects to the evaluation, but if you look at the descriptions of apps on Applevis, there is not really a significant problem in determining what functions do and don't work in an application. The problem with Applevis is not that the information is bad but that there isn't enough of it, too few apps are getting the treatment. If Apple wished to do this sort of thing, there would be no difficulty in contracting it out to a particular group of people, perhaps some of the people here. Remember that what is asked for is a description, rather than an accessibility rating or, if such a rating is needed, it should be secondary to the description. Also remember that, in this case as with many others, perfection shouldn't be demanded and probably can't be attained in any case. The lack of perfection is not something that should stop this sort of thing though, knowing Apple and its policies, it well may. Aside from all that, though, as I said before, a policy of refunds is probably the easiest way to go and is almost certainly the cheapest. It is not optimal, but it is workable and the infrastructure already exists for it. Aman On 2013-08-03, at 10:25 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: I believe Aman has made great points. Furthermore, it is not likely Apple will successfully achieve a VoiceOver ratings system any time soon as there is just too much subjective criteria at play. 1. Who is going to be the person at Apple who has determined that an app is accessible? 2. What constitutes accessibility? Accessing 60% of an apps features? 70%? 90? 100%? 3. If Apple allows the developer to determine that their app is accessible, then you might end up in tons of wasted customer service time in that the blind customer spending hours and days of their and Apple's time trying to convince Apple that the app developer lied because of X feature not being accessible. I'm having a tough time accepting that someone would take countless hours and even days of their time for $1 or $3. In the end, while the person might get a refund, they will have probably spent some $100 in time for that single $3 refund. I've found that its much easier to let it go. :) 4. There are some 500,000 apps in the Apps store, who at Apple is going to test all of those apps
Re: Help With Number Of Apps In Screen Dock
Hi Sieghard, Thanks for the info, however, I’m not one for jailbreaking, smile. Folders in the dock was an excellent idea, so not only can I have the 5 items that I originally wished for, now potentially, I can have many more down there, that I would use often, and just save myself a bit of time flicking through pages and folders looking for particular apps. Perhaps not everyone’s cup of tea, but for me, it most certainly did the trick. Keep up the good work my friend. Jim. From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 3:48 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Help With Number Of Apps In Screen Dock Hi Jim, I saw you followed Lois’ advice and put a folder in your dock. Just for completeness sake I thought I mention that there is at least pone jailbreak tweek which allows for 5 apps in the dock although unless you really like jailbreaking I think it’s definitely not a good enough reason to jailbreak just so you can have 5 apps in the dock. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jim Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Help With Number Of Apps In Screen Dock Hi Folks, The IPhone apps dock at the bottom of the screen, is it possible to have more than 4 apps in there? I already have my 4 there, but it would be really nice to be able to have one more, and as much as I have tried, the fith one will not fit. Is there any way of doing this? Any advice would be appreciated. Kind regards. Jim. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3209/6547 - Release Date: 08/02/13 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: VoiceOver hints [was Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund]
Oh! so I did. haha. Sorry about that. Yes. The pause before the reading of the hints does help. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Aug 4, 2013, at 4:37 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: You get that pregnant pause before the hints are spoken. I'll be curious if that helps alleviate your concerns over the VoiceOver verbosity or not. BTW, I think you replied to the wrong message. On 08/04/2013 03:29 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi Cara, Yup. I saw that. It does help but, it still has what I think is an important drawback. Its impossible to no where hints will just give you basic instructions or explanations, and when you will come across some tangible information that just isn't spoken by Voiceover with hints off. This being the case, I have found myself just leaving hints on because, I don’t know what I could be missing. lol. Its still funny to me after using IOS for 4 years now, I never thought to turn hints on since the first day it was introduced to IOS. Now I’m going through a bunch of my apps seeing what information I could have been missing. :). Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Aug 4, 2013, at 3:27 AM, Cara Quinn modelc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Joseph and list. Actually there is already a function to assess accessibility of an app. This is built into Apple's development environment, XCode. The function is called Accessibility Inspector. So Apple does have the ability to get a simple and impartial report on the status of the accessibility of all apps which come through their reviewers on-route to the App Store. As for training for in-house staff, since the access technology has been a part of iOS for some time now and is honestly not difficult to learn, all that would be needed would be a single live class at the very most. The fact is is that the features of Universal Access are already documented so it is even possible for Apple to simply ask it's app reviewers to read the manual so to speak. It is also a safe assumption to make that app reviewers need to acquaint themselves with new material every time a significant update is made to the iOS SDK so that they can review apps properly. So this idea that training is a big and costly issue is untrue. Training is par for the course. Lastly, as I already have sent a note to Apple Accessibility as of last night, one of my proposals to them would be to simply review if an app's main advertised features are accessible / usable with VO. So it is possible that not every feature of every app is evaluated but for now, I believe this is a very reasonable beginning to pursue. This gets back to another idea you mention below, Joseph. This idea is that if we cannot figure out every detail perfectly now, then there is no reason to go ahead with any ideas at all. Respectfully, this is like saying 'Since one has no idea how the rest of their life will play out that one should not start living it.' :) This is a process and one which we can have a hand in refining as we go. This is what Apple has been doing since the Mac and iOS have become accessible. Things are refined and changed as they go. I believe this is how we should begin now. let's propose something simple that gets the ball rolling. From there we can work together for it to grow and change. Just as a note, I also did suggest to Apple that they consider this as an opportunity for this community to be involved in the process. After all, who better to work with accessibility than those who are already proficient at it? This would be an excellent opportunity for jobs for this community. I want to thank you all for keeping this discussion going!… Thanks All, have a great night / rest of your weekend! Smiles, Cara :) On Aug 3, 2013, at 7:25 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: I believe Aman has made great points. Furthermore, it is not likely Apple will successfully achieve a VoiceOver ratings system any time soon as there is just too much subjective criteria at play. 1. Who is going to be the person at Apple who has determined that an app is accessible? 2. What constitutes accessibility? Accessing 60% of an apps features? 70%? 90? 100%? 3. If Apple allows the developer to determine that their app is accessible, then you might end up in tons of wasted customer service time in that the blind customer spending hours and days of their and Apple's time trying to convince Apple that the app developer lied because of X feature not being accessible. I'm having a tough time accepting that someone would take countless hours and even days of their time for $1 or $3. In the end, while the person might get a refund, they will have probably spent some $100 in time for that single $3 refund. I've found
RE: Help With Number Of Apps In Screen Dock
I'm not sure if you have a phone with Siri, but if you do, you can always say, launch and then the app name, and Siri will launch it for you. It's another easy way to open something. Take care, Lois From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jim Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 5:04 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Help With Number Of Apps In Screen Dock Hi Sieghard, Thanks for the info, however, I'm not one for jailbreaking, smile. Folders in the dock was an excellent idea, so not only can I have the 5 items that I originally wished for, now potentially, I can have many more down there, that I would use often, and just save myself a bit of time flicking through pages and folders looking for particular apps. Perhaps not everyone's cup of tea, but for me, it most certainly did the trick. Keep up the good work my friend. Jim. From: Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 3:48 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Help With Number Of Apps In Screen Dock Hi Jim, I saw you followed Lois' advice and put a folder in your dock. Just for completeness sake I thought I mention that there is at least pone jailbreak tweek which allows for 5 apps in the dock although unless you really like jailbreaking I think it's definitely not a good enough reason to jailbreak just so you can have 5 apps in the dock. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jim Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Help With Number Of Apps In Screen Dock Hi Folks, The IPhone apps dock at the bottom of the screen, is it possible to have more than 4 apps in there? I already have my 4 there, but it would be really nice to be able to have one more, and as much as I have tried, the fith one will not fit. Is there any way of doing this? Any advice would be appreciated. Kind regards. Jim. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3209/6547 - Release Date: 08/02/13 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing
Re: Unable to Open Feed in Lire 1.9.3
Hi Craig. Yes it is exactly. Always wonderful hearing from you. Don -- Don Breda don.br...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: iPhone voiceover not reading the preview of my messages in my mail app, help?
Not true, Ihave VO hints off and if there is a single message, VO reads my 5 preview lines. Donna On Aug 4, 2013, at 12:57 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Make sure hints are turned on. If VoiceOver hints is turned off, the preview will not be read. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 04/08/2013, at 11:51, Nimit Gmail kaur.ni...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, You guys know when you are browsing the messages/emails in your iPhone mail app, voiceover, reads like, unread, sender name, subject, and the preview of the email before you actually open to view it? For example, Unread, kaur.ni...@gmail.com, test message, this is a test message for the trial and then, whatever I wrote after that. I used my email and made my subject and message according to how vo sounds, when browsing through the mail app in order to clearly ask my question. Now, when I am viewing my mails, it stopped reading me the preview of the message like it used to before. By that, I mean, from my example, where I said, this is a test message.. It stopped reading that. I went into settings and mail, contacts and callendar and preview and it's two lines. What should I do, so it reads me the preview instead of me having to open a message and decide whether I want to delete it or what not. What should I do? Using iPhone 5 with latest software version. Thank you for your assistance. Sent from my iPad -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Bluetooth on/off app?
Yeah, and its not worth the effort to find an app to do this, that bluetooth on/off app was taken off the App Store almost two years ago. Just go into Settings, bluetooth is the third item down. If it says bluetooth on, just double-tap it to turn it off. - Original Message - From: Don Breda don.br...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 8:00 AM Subject: Re: Bluetooth on/off app? I have found over and over again that the use of bluetooth drains the battery much faster then wifi, so turning bluetooth off easily will be one of the biggest battery savers there is for the iPhone. Don -- Don Breda don.br...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
The Inquisitor Audio Adventure: I Can't Bring Up game Objectives
Hi, all, I notice that in the instructions for this game, the left-to-right swipe is supposedly used to listen to game objectives. I can't make it work. As a result, I have multiple subplots going in random order, and it's very confusing. I find myself using the divine help five-finger gesture, which confuses things even more. Are there specific points in the game to use the objectives? I can use the right-to-left swipe to bring up the notes; no problem. Waiting while doing nothing for a few minutes each time I'm disoriented is really not cutting it. :) Thanks, Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: iPhone voiceover not reading the preview of my messages in my mail app, help?
Hi all, Thanks to everyone who replied. Want to know something really weird, though? KK, so I already have my hints turned on, and I tried to swipe backwards, but it still didn't read my preview. I saw on my iPad mini, running the latest software, that it reads my previews of my emails regardless of whether my hints is turned on or off. Weird, right? I forgot to try to turn my phone on or off though. Will do that right now. Any other suggestions? Thanks! On 8/4/13, Donna merma...@bellsouth.net wrote: Not true, Ihave VO hints off and if there is a single message, VO reads my 5 preview lines. Donna On Aug 4, 2013, at 12:57 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Make sure hints are turned on. If VoiceOver hints is turned off, the preview will not be read. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 04/08/2013, at 11:51, Nimit Gmail kaur.ni...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, You guys know when you are browsing the messages/emails in your iPhone mail app, voiceover, reads like, unread, sender name, subject, and the preview of the email before you actually open to view it? For example, Unread, kaur.ni...@gmail.com, test message, this is a test message for the trial and then, whatever I wrote after that. I used my email and made my subject and message according to how vo sounds, when browsing through the mail app in order to clearly ask my question. Now, when I am viewing my mails, it stopped reading me the preview of the message like it used to before. By that, I mean, from my example, where I said, this is a test message.. It stopped reading that. I went into settings and mail, contacts and callendar and preview and it's two lines. What should I do, so it reads me the preview instead of me having to open a message and decide whether I want to delete it or what not. What should I do? Using iPhone 5 with latest software version. Thank you for your assistance. Sent from my iPad -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- PLEASE READ AND UNDERSTAND THE FOLLOWNG QUOTES BY STEVIE WONDER!!! “JUST BECAUSE A MAN LACKS THE USE OF HIS EYES DOES NOT MEAN HE LACKS VISION!” “JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN’T SEE DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN’T HEAR AND THINK!” “ PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES ARE ALSO NORMAL HUMAN BEINGS. THEY CAN DO EVERYTHING THAT PEOPLE WITHOUT DISABILITIES CAN DO JUST IN DIFFERENT WAYS ADAPTING TO THE CERTAIN DISABILITY THEY POSSESS. MORE WAYS YOU CAN CONTACT ME: kaur.ni...@gmail.com kaur.ni...@hotmail.com
Re: Downcast podcast app is on sale for 99 Cents
Hi all I love listening to down cast on my phone so I just purchase the ap for my mack how do you use it on the mac? Thanks Becky On Aug 3, 2013, at 12:58 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hello List, I was looking at the app description of Downcast and right as the first sentence I found the following: In celebration of the arrival of Downcast for OS X, https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/downcast/id668429425?mt=12, Downcast for iOS is temporarily on sale! I believe Downcast is usually $2.99 and it is currently on sale for 99 Cents. Anybody who is looking for a good podcast app should take advantage of this, Downcast is fully accessible with Voiceover and in terms of features and user friendliness it doesn’t get much better than that. Besides that, some of the Mac users who use Downcast on their iOS device or devices, may be happy to know that there is now a Mac app as well. For those who want to read more about Downcast which is considered to be one of the best podcast clients out there by sighted as well as blind users, here is the app store link: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/downcast/id393858566?mt=8 Best regards, Sieghard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Bluetooth on/off app?
I may not spend hours looking for such an app, but if I heard of one, I'd definitely be interested in it. I'm looking forward to IOS 7 and it's control center. On my phone, an iPhone 4S running the latest IOS, I have to bring up Settings. I know where settings is on my phone, and I have it located pretty efficiently, but it still takes a few gestures to get to it. When I tap on bluetooth in settings, which isn't the first item in the list, it doesn't toggle it on or off but takes me to a bluetooth page where I can locate the control to toggle bluetooth on or off. None of this is particularly hard or time consuming, but I'd appreciate an app that cut down on the number of gestures to accomplish this task, and like I said, I'm looking forward to the control center in IOS 7. On 08/04/2013 10:54 AM, Steve wrote: Yeah, and its not worth the effort to find an app to do this, that bluetooth on/off app was taken off the App Store almost two years ago. Just go into Settings, bluetooth is the third item down. If it says bluetooth on, just double-tap it to turn it off. - Original Message - From: Don Breda don.br...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 8:00 AM Subject: Re: Bluetooth on/off app? I have found over and over again that the use of bluetooth drains the battery much faster then wifi, so turning bluetooth off easily will be one of the biggest battery savers there is for the iPhone. Don -- Don Breda don.br...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Accessible writing app
Hi list, Just wondering if anyone has come across an accessible drawing? app that will allow me to use my finger to enter numbers and letters. As of now, when wanting to take down someone's phone number I launch Siri and state something to the effect of Note the following phone number 222 333 . This information is currently reliably saved to my Notes. I want to speed this process up a little by simply launching a writing app and physically entering in the phone number using my index finger. I think this will be much more reliable in those instances where there is lots of noise or when Siri is on strike. I have found some writing/drawing apps in the iTunes store, but none of the app descriptions nor reviews state anything in terms of voice feedback of what has been written. I'm thinking there must be an OCR component to this, and for this reason I'm coming to the list in hopes that those who may have sought out such a solution can make some suggestions. Thanks for your help in the matter. Joseph -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Downcast podcast app is on sale for 99 Cents
HI. it's very accessible. what are you having problems with? Cheers Maria sent from mac mini email, fb bubbygirl1...@gmail.com skype bubbygirl1972 twitter same as skype without the numbers. On 05/08/2013, at 3:59 AM, Rebecca Sabo beckyas...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all I love listening to down cast on my phone so I just purchase the ap for my mack how do you use it on the mac? Thanks Becky On Aug 3, 2013, at 12:58 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hello List, I was looking at the app description of Downcast and right as the first sentence I found the following: In celebration of the arrival of Downcast for OS X, https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/downcast/id668429425?mt=12, Downcast for iOS is temporarily on sale! I believe Downcast is usually $2.99 and it is currently on sale for 99 Cents. Anybody who is looking for a good podcast app should take advantage of this, Downcast is fully accessible with Voiceover and in terms of features and user friendliness it doesn’t get much better than that. Besides that, some of the Mac users who use Downcast on their iOS device or devices, may be happy to know that there is now a Mac app as well. For those who want to read more about Downcast which is considered to be one of the best podcast clients out there by sighted as well as blind users, here is the app store link: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/downcast/id393858566?mt=8 Best regards, Sieghard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund
I'm sorry, but where did he call you names? I saw the little blurb about him calling your analogy silly, but certainly not you. I thought his message was well thought out. Is it getting to the point where people don't feel it's useful to discuss things anymore? Victor Gouveia Vice-President Training Coordinator VIP Tech Phone: 1 (888) 737-1115 Fax: 1 (888) 737-1116 Work Main e-mail: vipt...@rogers.com Work Training E-mail: viptrain...@rogers.com Home E-mail: victor.gouv...@rogers.com Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Downcast podcast app is on sale for 99 Cents
Yes, and it is a great appe. I never thought I would enjoy something like Downcast, but I have been using it a lot since yesterday. Thanks Sieghard for the first heads-up, and to anyone who doesn't have it, it is easy to use and I recommend it. If I had known there was so much content, I would have bought the app sooner for the higher price, but besides getting a great app I got it cheaper too. Reggie and Allegra On Aug 4, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Rebecca Sabo beckyas...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all I love listening to down cast on my phone so I just purchase the ap for my mack how do you use it on the mac? Thanks Becky On Aug 3, 2013, at 12:58 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hello List, I was looking at the app description of Downcast and right as the first sentence I found the following: In celebration of the arrival of Downcast for OS X, https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/downcast/id668429425?mt=12, Downcast for iOS is temporarily on sale! I believe Downcast is usually $2.99 and it is currently on sale for 99 Cents. Anybody who is looking for a good podcast app should take advantage of this, Downcast is fully accessible with Voiceover and in terms of features and user friendliness it doesn’t get much better than that. Besides that, some of the Mac users who use Downcast on their iOS device or devices, may be happy to know that there is now a Mac app as well. For those who want to read more about Downcast which is considered to be one of the best podcast clients out there by sighted as well as blind users, here is the app store link: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/downcast/id393858566?mt=8 Best regards, Sieghard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
can the inquisitor Audio Game Be played off Line? Does Salaro Have An Off Line mode, Meaning No Network connection; Or can it be played with just myself even with a network connection?
Hi all, Can the Inquisitor audio adventure game be played off line? I was going to get Salaro but in the description it says that a network connection is required to play. THANK you. God Bless, Wren Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: iPhone voiceover not reading the preview of my messages in my mail app, help?
And you can change that from 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 lines in preview in settings mail. For me, many times more then not I hear enough to tell me if I want to open that message or just flick down to delete and then double tap. I really do like that feature. I can deal with quite a bit of email in a very short amount of time. --- Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2013! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Donna To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 8:25 AM Subject: Re: iPhone voiceover not reading the preview of my messages in my mail app, help? Not true, Ihave VO hints off and if there is a single message, VO reads my 5 preview lines. Donna On Aug 4, 2013, at 12:57 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Make sure hints are turned on. If VoiceOver hints is turned off, the preview will not be read. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 04/08/2013, at 11:51, Nimit Gmail kaur.ni...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, You guys know when you are browsing the messages/emails in your iPhone mail app, voiceover, reads like, unread, sender name, subject, and the preview of the email before you actually open to view it? For example, Unread, kaur.ni...@gmail.com, test message, this is a test message for the trial and then, whatever I wrote after that. I used my email and made my subject and message according to how vo sounds, when browsing through the mail app in order to clearly ask my question. Now, when I am viewing my mails, it stopped reading me the preview of the message like it used to before. By that, I mean, from my example, where I said, this is a test message.. It stopped reading that. I went into settings and mail, contacts and callendar and preview and it's two lines. What should I do, so it reads me the preview instead of me having to open a message and decide whether I want to delete it or what not. What should I do? Using iPhone 5 with latest software version. Thank you for your assistance. Sent from my iPad -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group
Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund
HI. yes I agree with this post. It's terribly hard to know what apps are and are not accessible and if they haven't been tried by another blind person there is no one to ask whether an app will work with voice over. There are lots of iphone apps that have lite versions a person can try but with the mac it's really hard to know whether or not an app will work or not. Some apps can be quite expensive and I personally don't have the money to take a risk and get stuck with an app I can't use. Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 04/08/2013, at 2:43 PM, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Joseph. I must respectfully disagree with you. To describe an application's accessibility to VO users is so far from impossible that it is being done every day on Applevis. You are certainly correct that there are some subjective aspects to the evaluation, but if you look at the descriptions of apps on Applevis, there is not really a significant problem in determining what functions do and don't work in an application. The problem with Applevis is not that the information is bad but that there isn't enough of it, too few apps are getting the treatment. If Apple wished to do this sort of thing, there would be no difficulty in contracting it out to a particular group of people, perhaps some of the people here. Remember that what is asked for is a description, rather than an accessibility rating or, if such a rating is needed, it should be secondary to the description. Also remember that, in this case as with many others, perfection shouldn't be demanded and probably can't be attained in any case. The lack of perfection is not something that should stop this sort of thing though, knowing Apple and its policies, it well may. Aside from all that, though, as I said before, a policy of refunds is probably the easiest way to go and is almost certainly the cheapest. It is not optimal, but it is workable and the infrastructure already exists for it. Aman On 2013-08-03, at 10:25 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: I believe Aman has made great points. Furthermore, it is not likely Apple will successfully achieve a VoiceOver ratings system any time soon as there is just too much subjective criteria at play. 1. Who is going to be the person at Apple who has determined that an app is accessible? 2. What constitutes accessibility? Accessing 60% of an apps features? 70%? 90? 100%? 3. If Apple allows the developer to determine that their app is accessible, then you might end up in tons of wasted customer service time in that the blind customer spending hours and days of their and Apple's time trying to convince Apple that the app developer lied because of X feature not being accessible. I'm having a tough time accepting that someone would take countless hours and even days of their time for $1 or $3. In the end, while the person might get a refund, they will have probably spent some $100 in time for that single $3 refund. I've found that its much easier to let it go. :) 4. There are some 500,000 apps in the Apps store, who at Apple is going to test all of those apps for accessibility? This means Apple will need to train a large team of individuals to determine what is accessible and what is not or what is semi-accessible and what is not. All this means time, effort, and tons of costs. 5. What exactly is meant by Accessibility? Apple will absolutely have to define and address this question before taking any first steps to achieve it. There are still some holes in the ADA, and if the 600+ house and senate members including the president had a tough time defining reasonable accommodations, then it is likely a business will not want to get anywhere near this issue unless forced to do so. 6. In Windows 8, Microsoft has tried this accessibility tag in their Windows store and many developers have chosen to list their apps as accessible even though these aps cannot be used by a blind individual. Remember, accessibility means lots more than just accessible to the blind. Again, we're back to how will Apple implement such a system? Will they leave it in the hands of the developer, or will they use their own team which accepts or rejects submitted apps. If they do it in-house, this means training either all of their employs or this means training a select group; if so, this will have to be quite a large group. Don't get me wrong, I think Apple should start somewhere, but it will be difficult to actually develop such a system rather than many of us making demands that have not been really thought out. :) I guess its like asking, why not just build a super highway across the Atlantic from the US to Asia since there is tons of area to build? Extreme example? Yes, but I meant it to be so to bring home my points regarding how to define, describe, and implement
Re: Solara question
Hi. You need to select the building improvements quests in order to start. You will be taken to the build tab and I think the shop you need to build will be the first one. Hth Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 04/08/2013, at 4:01 AM, Rose Combs rosecom...@gmail.com wrote: I got this but after I selected the quest button it gave me only one choice, building improvements or something similar, I got no further, tried every button I could find and no go, so, why is this game so popular if one has no way to start it, no help, no suggestions? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 1:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Solara question Upgrades can either expand your castle's width or add to its height. This is noted in the upgrade itself. If you just add to its width then you won't be able to build shops that are two stories tall. In the latest upgrade to Solara, you can now find out how wide and tall each shop are. If you can't fit any two story shops then you know you'll have to wait for an upgrade that adds another level of height. If you can't fit a shop of width four then try a shop of width three or two. On 08/02/2013 12:09 PM, Denny Schwab wrote: I think I may have found my own answer for this. It seems that you may run out of space and need to do the Castle Expansions in the Update tab of the Build window. Each Castle Expansion adds one level to your tower, and you may not have enough floors to build if you are trying to do a multi-floor shop. The notes I read said you may have to do multiple Castle Expansions, without adding any new shops, if you want to do a multi-level shop. I found this info on the comments in the Applevis entry for this app. Denny On 8/2/13, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to know this as well. At first, I thought it was because I wasn't at a certain level, but then when I got to level 3 I still couldn't build anything new because of the space issue. How tw do you make a bigger tower space? thanks, Cait On 2013-08-02, at 12:06 PM, Denny Schwab denny.sch...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I just began playing this game, and have a question. When I go to build things I keep getting a message that there is not enough space in tower to auto-place shop. I have enough money and esper, so I don't get why I keep getting this message. Any suggestions? thanks, Denny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To
Re: can the inquisitor Audio Game Be played off Line? Does Salaro Have An Off Line mode, Meaning No Network connection; Or can it be played with just myself even with a network connection?
Yes, you can play the Inquisitor offline. Judging by its download size, I think it stores everything it needs. :) HtH, Teresa On Aug 4, 2013, at 12:38 PM, Lea Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi all, Can the Inquisitor audio adventure game be played off line? I was going to get Salaro but in the description it says that a network connection is required to play. THANK you. God Bless, Wren Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Can salaro Be played with just one person
Hi all, and thank you for the help. Can the Salero game be played with just one person even though it requires a network connection? Thank you. God bless, Wren Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Can salaro Be played with just one person
It's the only way you can play Solara currently. You just play yourself. Jane On Aug 4, 2013, at 6:06 PM, Lea Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi all, and thank you for the help. Can the Salero game be played with just one person even though it requires a network connection? Thank you. God bless, Wren Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Once again, on the hutn for a cross platform rss reader
Bruno Renie, the owner of FeedHQ, has been very responsive to my email about accessibility. I asked him to label some buttons, and he did so quite quickly and emailed me when he had done so. The software is open source, and the pages are quite clean when accessed via my screen reader. Craig On 8/3/13, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: not only would it have to be cross platform but the clients on the various platforms would have to be accessible or the web page itself would have to be accessible. FeedHQ is worth looking into, but we lost big time when Google Reader shut down, since there were so many client options and at least some of them were accessible. TheOldReader going private is a pain because although it didn't have a lot of clients on multiple platforms, the web page was usable. On 08/03/2013 08:21 AM, Craig Werner wrote: Cristóbal, I wonder if FeedHQ might interest you. It may indeed be cross-platform. It is open source and has a very accessible Web interface. The Feeddler app supports FeedHQ accounts. True, there is a cost: $12/year, a most reasonable fee. Also, it may well be that The Old Reader will stay public after all. Time will tell. FeedHQ can be found at http://www.feedhq.org. Craig On 7/29/13, Cristóbal crismuno...@gmail.com wrote: This sure sucks… http://blog.theoldreader.com/ So, since The Old Reader is going private and I like a few others on here who signed up after the Google reader shut down announcement aren’t going to get migrated over to their new site, it’s back on to the hunt for a cross platform rss reader. Feedly’s still a no go either with their iOS app or website layout. Is anyone aware of anything else out there that’ll work on iOS and can also be accessed through the traditional computer? My understanding is that Lire is really just for the i-devices. That’s not what I’m looking for. Bummer. Thanks, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Can salaro Be played with just one person
HI. you play on your own. YOu can battle other players in the arina in the tournaments but you don't have to do this if you don't wish in order to level up. hth Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 05/08/2013, at 8:06 AM, Lea Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi all, and thank you for the help. Can the Salero game be played with just one person even though it requires a network connection? Thank you. God bless, Wren Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: iPhone voiceover not reading the preview of my messages in my mail app, help?
Hi, I’m definitely not seeing this behavior on my iPhone 5. I turn hints on, and the preview lines are read. Turn hints off and the preview lines are no longer read by Voiceover in Mail. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Aug 4, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Donna merma...@bellsouth.net wrote: Not true, Ihave VO hints off and if there is a single message, VO reads my 5 preview lines. Donna On Aug 4, 2013, at 12:57 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Make sure hints are turned on. If VoiceOver hints is turned off, the preview will not be read. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 04/08/2013, at 11:51, Nimit Gmail kaur.ni...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, You guys know when you are browsing the messages/emails in your iPhone mail app, voiceover, reads like, unread, sender name, subject, and the preview of the email before you actually open to view it? For example, Unread, kaur.ni...@gmail.com, test message, this is a test message for the trial and then, whatever I wrote after that. I used my email and made my subject and message according to how vo sounds, when browsing through the mail app in order to clearly ask my question. Now, when I am viewing my mails, it stopped reading me the preview of the message like it used to before. By that, I mean, from my example, where I said, this is a test message.. It stopped reading that. I went into settings and mail, contacts and callendar and preview and it's two lines. What should I do, so it reads me the preview instead of me having to open a message and decide whether I want to delete it or what not. What should I do? Using iPhone 5 with latest software version. Thank you for your assistance. Sent from my iPad -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are
Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund
HI. wouldn't it work better if all apps could be downloaded for free and trialled say for a day? There are lots of apps I'd love to try but am hesitant to download due to the fact that there is really no way to tell if they are accessible or not unless someone on list or someone on applevis has tried them. I mean if it's a 99 c app it's not that bad but if it's 5 or 10 bucks? That's going to get expensive. Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 03/08/2013, at 6:02 PM, Arnold Schmidt arno...@mindspring.com wrote: As I state in another message, I would be much more willing to support a general refund policy, such as Google has, or at least use to have, rather than an it won't work with VoiceOver policy. That is just too open to abuse. Besides, a general refund policy would be an even better way to let developers know if people didn't like their app, a bunch of them all requested refunds. It might even improve accessibility. Arnold Schmidt - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:58 AM Subject: Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund Sieghard and All, Let me encourage you and actually everyone on this list to write Apple Accessibility to request that there be reasonable accommodation in place for VoiceOver users to receive app refunds in cases like Sieghard's. I'd also suggest that Sieghard's note be attached to your own. I believe this issue needs to be brought into the forefront in a positive and decisive way. We are almost 2000 people on this list and this is a very good opportunity to make this point heard. This discussion has come up before of being alerted of VO accessibility ahead of time in the App Store and though we've not come to a set conclusion on the best way to do this, having some indication that an app has been found to be accessible to some degree with VoiceOver before we purchase it is a completely reasonable request. If this is not possible, then it is more than reasonable to ask for refunds if we cannot use an app which is not accessible to us with the available Apple universal access paradigm. the email address for Apple Accessibility is: accessibil...@apple.com These are very caring people so please keep this in mind when you write. I've known some of them personally. They want to help though there may not be a clear way of making this happen just yet. Just let them know this is important though. Make your voice heard in a friendly way. they will listen to you even if they do not know the best answer yet. :) Thanks All, for your time. Sincerely, Cara :) On Aug 1, 2013, at 11:09 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hello List, Requesting a refund for an app which turns out not to work with Voiceover has come up a few times and the iTunes Store support email has been posted in connection with that. So I thought I post my recent experience with contacting iTunes Store support via their email. I had bought a couple of package tracking apps in order to find out which one I liked best. I have been using Track This which is awesome, but I am in Canada and for some reason they don’t support Purolator and CanPar which are both major carriers here. I contacted Track This support twice and never received a reply. Anyhow, back to iTunes Store support. I provided all the information including order numbers, purchase date, my Apple Id etc. I explained how I really enjoyed my iPhone and the fantastic accessibility, but that unfortunately these two apps I purchased were not voiceover friendly and there was no Light version offered which I could have tried first. I also mentioned that I contacted both developers and after almost a week had not received a reply. In short, I was friendly, explained everything and even waited to see if the developers would reply to see if they were willing to make Voiceover improvements. I received a prompt reply in which the agent explained that all app sales are final, but that given the situation they would refund me the $6.72 or whatever it was for the 2 apps. However, she also continued to give me links as to their terms and conditions and said that this was a one-time curtocy and that in the future they could not provide any more refunds and that it was up to me to make sure I didn’t turn on one-click ordering and accidently purchase apps or read the app description to be sure it was what I wanted. It was strange because all of this gave me the impression this person did not at all get the point about Voiceover and all that, but on the other hand she said they would give me a refund given the situation. According to what she said I should see the refund back on my account within 48 hours and since both apps were purchased using store credit it
Best color identifier?
Any suggestions for the best one out there? Currently I have Color ID, but it's less than reliable. Just now it told me my skin was purplish blue. Either there's something terribly wrong with me or with the app, and I feel pretty healthy, so I suspect the latter. Cliff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Best color identifier?
On Friday evening, I was at a dance. The lights were on. I started asking a lady what colour various articles of clothing I was wearing were. Several times, she was not sure. She said the lighting in the hall caused a different shading, so she couldn't tell very well. Now, if a sighted person has difficulty and variability based on lighting and other factors, how can we expect a colour ID app to do better? It really depends on many factors. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 05/08/2013, at 10:46, Cliff Self cl...@cablespeed.com wrote: Any suggestions for the best one out there? Currently I have Color ID, but it's less than reliable. Just now it told me my skin was purplish blue. Either there's something terribly wrong with me or with the app, and I feel pretty healthy, so I suspect the latter. Cliff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund
I would rather not give Apple complete access to my phone just so they can occasionally check to ensure I am not pirating apps. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 05/08/2013, at 10:41, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. wouldn't it work better if all apps could be downloaded for free and trialled say for a day? There are lots of apps I'd love to try but am hesitant to download due to the fact that there is really no way to tell if they are accessible or not unless someone on list or someone on applevis has tried them. I mean if it's a 99 c app it's not that bad but if it's 5 or 10 bucks? That's going to get expensive. Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 03/08/2013, at 6:02 PM, Arnold Schmidt arno...@mindspring.com wrote: As I state in another message, I would be much more willing to support a general refund policy, such as Google has, or at least use to have, rather than an it won't work with VoiceOver policy. That is just too open to abuse. Besides, a general refund policy would be an even better way to let developers know if people didn't like their app, a bunch of them all requested refunds. It might even improve accessibility. Arnold Schmidt - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:58 AM Subject: Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund Sieghard and All, Let me encourage you and actually everyone on this list to write Apple Accessibility to request that there be reasonable accommodation in place for VoiceOver users to receive app refunds in cases like Sieghard's. I'd also suggest that Sieghard's note be attached to your own. I believe this issue needs to be brought into the forefront in a positive and decisive way. We are almost 2000 people on this list and this is a very good opportunity to make this point heard. This discussion has come up before of being alerted of VO accessibility ahead of time in the App Store and though we've not come to a set conclusion on the best way to do this, having some indication that an app has been found to be accessible to some degree with VoiceOver before we purchase it is a completely reasonable request. If this is not possible, then it is more than reasonable to ask for refunds if we cannot use an app which is not accessible to us with the available Apple universal access paradigm. the email address for Apple Accessibility is: accessibil...@apple.com These are very caring people so please keep this in mind when you write. I've known some of them personally. They want to help though there may not be a clear way of making this happen just yet. Just let them know this is important though. Make your voice heard in a friendly way. they will listen to you even if they do not know the best answer yet. :) Thanks All, for your time. Sincerely, Cara :) On Aug 1, 2013, at 11:09 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hello List, Requesting a refund for an app which turns out not to work with Voiceover has come up a few times and the iTunes Store support email has been posted in connection with that. So I thought I post my recent experience with contacting iTunes Store support via their email. I had bought a couple of package tracking apps in order to find out which one I liked best. I have been using Track This which is awesome, but I am in Canada and for some reason they don’t support Purolator and CanPar which are both major carriers here. I contacted Track This support twice and never received a reply. Anyhow, back to iTunes Store support. I provided all the information including order numbers, purchase date, my Apple Id etc. I explained how I really enjoyed my iPhone and the fantastic accessibility, but that unfortunately these two apps I purchased were not voiceover friendly and there was no Light version offered which I could have tried first. I also mentioned that I contacted both developers and after almost a week had not received a reply. In short, I was friendly, explained everything and even waited to see if the developers would reply to see if they were willing to make Voiceover improvements. I received a prompt reply in which the agent explained that all app sales are final, but that given the situation they would refund me the $6.72 or whatever it was for the 2 apps. However, she also continued to give me links as to their terms and conditions and said that this was a one-time curtocy and that in the future they could not provide any more refunds and that it was up to me to make sure I didn’t turn on one-click ordering and accidently purchase apps or read the app description to be sure it was what I wanted. It was strange because all of this
Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund
Hi. I was thinking more along the lines of the app could be downloaded and is fully functional for a day unless you purchase a key on the mac or do an in app purchase on the iphone. Some apps can be rather expensive, I would not be willing to buy a 10 or 20 dollar app I could not use and probably wouldn't unless I had heard it was at least usable in some way with voice over. How many apps I wonder are not discovered to be accessible because people are afraid to buy them in case they are not usable? regards Maria and crew from australia email: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com check out www.95-the-mix.com where we play lots of great music On 05/08/2013, at 9:01 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I would rather not give Apple complete access to my phone just so they can occasionally check to ensure I am not pirating apps. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 05/08/2013, at 10:41, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. wouldn't it work better if all apps could be downloaded for free and trialled say for a day? There are lots of apps I'd love to try but am hesitant to download due to the fact that there is really no way to tell if they are accessible or not unless someone on list or someone on applevis has tried them. I mean if it's a 99 c app it's not that bad but if it's 5 or 10 bucks? That's going to get expensive. Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 03/08/2013, at 6:02 PM, Arnold Schmidt arno...@mindspring.com wrote: As I state in another message, I would be much more willing to support a general refund policy, such as Google has, or at least use to have, rather than an it won't work with VoiceOver policy. That is just too open to abuse. Besides, a general refund policy would be an even better way to let developers know if people didn't like their app, a bunch of them all requested refunds. It might even improve accessibility. Arnold Schmidt - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:58 AM Subject: Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund Sieghard and All, Let me encourage you and actually everyone on this list to write Apple Accessibility to request that there be reasonable accommodation in place for VoiceOver users to receive app refunds in cases like Sieghard's. I'd also suggest that Sieghard's note be attached to your own. I believe this issue needs to be brought into the forefront in a positive and decisive way. We are almost 2000 people on this list and this is a very good opportunity to make this point heard. This discussion has come up before of being alerted of VO accessibility ahead of time in the App Store and though we've not come to a set conclusion on the best way to do this, having some indication that an app has been found to be accessible to some degree with VoiceOver before we purchase it is a completely reasonable request. If this is not possible, then it is more than reasonable to ask for refunds if we cannot use an app which is not accessible to us with the available Apple universal access paradigm. the email address for Apple Accessibility is: accessibil...@apple.com These are very caring people so please keep this in mind when you write. I've known some of them personally. They want to help though there may not be a clear way of making this happen just yet. Just let them know this is important though. Make your voice heard in a friendly way. they will listen to you even if they do not know the best answer yet. :) Thanks All, for your time. Sincerely, Cara :) On Aug 1, 2013, at 11:09 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hello List, Requesting a refund for an app which turns out not to work with Voiceover has come up a few times and the iTunes Store support email has been posted in connection with that. So I thought I post my recent experience with contacting iTunes Store support via their email. I had bought a couple of package tracking apps in order to find out which one I liked best. I have been using Track This which is awesome, but I am in Canada and for some reason they don’t support Purolator and CanPar which are both major carriers here. I contacted Track This support twice and never received a reply. Anyhow, back to iTunes Store support. I provided all the information including order numbers, purchase date, my Apple Id etc. I explained how I really enjoyed my iPhone and the fantastic accessibility, but that unfortunately these two apps I purchased were not voiceover friendly and there was no Light version offered which I could have tried first. I also mentioned that I contacted both developers and after almost a week had not received a
I associate The word game
Hello, can anyone give me any tips, when ever I type in my word and hit done, it doesn't seem to work. I don't know what is the deal. Thank you Lelia Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Best color identifier?
In this case I was outdoors in full sunlight. Any app that can't discriminate a color in that situation is suspect, if not fully unreliable. Cliff - Original Message - From: David Chittenden To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 4:00 PM Subject: Re: Best color identifier? On Friday evening, I was at a dance. The lights were on. I started asking a lady what colour various articles of clothing I was wearing were. Several times, she was not sure. She said the lighting in the hall caused a different shading, so she couldn't tell very well. Now, if a sighted person has difficulty and variability based on lighting and other factors, how can we expect a colour ID app to do better? It really depends on many factors. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 05/08/2013, at 10:46, Cliff Self cl...@cablespeed.com wrote: Any suggestions for the best one out there? Currently I have Color ID, but it's less than reliable. Just now it told me my skin was purplish blue. Either there's something terribly wrong with me or with the app, and I feel pretty healthy, so I suspect the latter. Cliff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund
Hi, This arguement reminds me of something along the line of... lets go to the restarant, lets order some food, eat it, then decide if you like the food or not to determine if you pay for the food or not. Reason? well, because i'm blind, i have the rights to taste the food. If it is not suiting my taste, i'll decide not too pay... Joanne Shuang Chua Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate Send from my iPad On 05/08/2013, at 8:42, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I was thinking more along the lines of the app could be downloaded and is fully functional for a day unless you purchase a key on the mac or do an in app purchase on the iphone. Some apps can be rather expensive, I would not be willing to buy a 10 or 20 dollar app I could not use and probably wouldn't unless I had heard it was at least usable in some way with voice over. How many apps I wonder are not discovered to be accessible because people are afraid to buy them in case they are not usable? regards Maria and crew from australia email: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com check out www.95-the-mix.com where we play lots of great music On 05/08/2013, at 9:01 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I would rather not give Apple complete access to my phone just so they can occasionally check to ensure I am not pirating apps. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 05/08/2013, at 10:41, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. wouldn't it work better if all apps could be downloaded for free and trialled say for a day? There are lots of apps I'd love to try but am hesitant to download due to the fact that there is really no way to tell if they are accessible or not unless someone on list or someone on applevis has tried them. I mean if it's a 99 c app it's not that bad but if it's 5 or 10 bucks? That's going to get expensive. Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 03/08/2013, at 6:02 PM, Arnold Schmidt arno...@mindspring.com wrote: As I state in another message, I would be much more willing to support a general refund policy, such as Google has, or at least use to have, rather than an it won't work with VoiceOver policy. That is just too open to abuse. Besides, a general refund policy would be an even better way to let developers know if people didn't like their app, a bunch of them all requested refunds. It might even improve accessibility. Arnold Schmidt - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:58 AM Subject: Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund Sieghard and All, Let me encourage you and actually everyone on this list to write Apple Accessibility to request that there be reasonable accommodation in place for VoiceOver users to receive app refunds in cases like Sieghard's. I'd also suggest that Sieghard's note be attached to your own. I believe this issue needs to be brought into the forefront in a positive and decisive way. We are almost 2000 people on this list and this is a very good opportunity to make this point heard. This discussion has come up before of being alerted of VO accessibility ahead of time in the App Store and though we've not come to a set conclusion on the best way to do this, having some indication that an app has been found to be accessible to some degree with VoiceOver before we purchase it is a completely reasonable request. If this is not possible, then it is more than reasonable to ask for refunds if we cannot use an app which is not accessible to us with the available Apple universal access paradigm. the email address for Apple Accessibility is: accessibil...@apple.com These are very caring people so please keep this in mind when you write. I've known some of them personally. They want to help though there may not be a clear way of making this happen just yet. Just let them know this is important though. Make your voice heard in a friendly way. they will listen to you even if they do not know the best answer yet. :) Thanks All, for your time. Sincerely, Cara :) On Aug 1, 2013, at 11:09 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hello List, Requesting a refund for an app which turns out not to work with Voiceover has come up a few times and the iTunes Store support email has been posted in connection with that. So I thought I post my recent experience with contacting iTunes Store support via their email. I had bought a couple of package tracking apps in order to find out which one I liked best. I have been using Track This which is awesome, but I am in Canada and for some reason they don’t support Purolator and CanPar which are both major carriers here. I contacted Track
Re: iPhone voiceover not reading the preview of my messages in my mail app, help?
Yeah, I tested this myself before I posted my results yesterday. If I turned hints off, I didn't hear any previews, if I turned them on then I did. I hear them whether swiping left or right, and I hear them for single messages or threads. This is on my iPhone 4S with the latest IOS. On 08/04/2013 05:27 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I’m definitely not seeing this behavior on my iPhone 5. I turn hints on, and the preview lines are read. Turn hints off and the preview lines are no longer read by Voiceover in Mail. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Aug 4, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Donna merma...@bellsouth.net wrote: Not true, Ihave VO hints off and if there is a single message, VO reads my 5 preview lines. Donna On Aug 4, 2013, at 12:57 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Make sure hints are turned on. If VoiceOver hints is turned off, the preview will not be read. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 04/08/2013, at 11:51, Nimit Gmail kaur.ni...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, You guys know when you are browsing the messages/emails in your iPhone mail app, voiceover, reads like, unread, sender name, subject, and the preview of the email before you actually open to view it? For example, Unread, kaur.ni...@gmail.com, test message, this is a test message for the trial and then, whatever I wrote after that. I used my email and made my subject and message according to how vo sounds, when browsing through the mail app in order to clearly ask my question. Now, when I am viewing my mails, it stopped reading me the preview of the message like it used to before. By that, I mean, from my example, where I said, this is a test message.. It stopped reading that. I went into settings and mail, contacts and callendar and preview and it's two lines. What should I do, so it reads me the preview instead of me having to open a message and decide whether I want to delete it or what not. What should I do? Using iPhone 5 with latest software version. Thank you for your assistance. Sent from my iPad -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing
Re: Once again, on the hutn for a cross platform rss reader
Thanks for sharing. That's great news. FeedHQ is on my short list of feed services to check out. On 08/04/2013 05:18 PM, Craig Werner wrote: Bruno Renie, the owner of FeedHQ, has been very responsive to my email about accessibility. I asked him to label some buttons, and he did so quite quickly and emailed me when he had done so. The software is open source, and the pages are quite clean when accessed via my screen reader. Craig On 8/3/13, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: not only would it have to be cross platform but the clients on the various platforms would have to be accessible or the web page itself would have to be accessible. FeedHQ is worth looking into, but we lost big time when Google Reader shut down, since there were so many client options and at least some of them were accessible. TheOldReader going private is a pain because although it didn't have a lot of clients on multiple platforms, the web page was usable. On 08/03/2013 08:21 AM, Craig Werner wrote: Cristóbal, I wonder if FeedHQ might interest you. It may indeed be cross-platform. It is open source and has a very accessible Web interface. The Feeddler app supports FeedHQ accounts. True, there is a cost: $12/year, a most reasonable fee. Also, it may well be that The Old Reader will stay public after all. Time will tell. FeedHQ can be found at http://www.feedhq.org. Craig On 7/29/13, Cristóbal crismuno...@gmail.com wrote: This sure sucks… http://blog.theoldreader.com/ So, since The Old Reader is going private and I like a few others on here who signed up after the Google reader shut down announcement aren’t going to get migrated over to their new site, it’s back on to the hunt for a cross platform rss reader. Feedly’s still a no go either with their iOS app or website layout. Is anyone aware of anything else out there that’ll work on iOS and can also be accessed through the traditional computer? My understanding is that Lire is really just for the i-devices. That’s not what I’m looking for. Bummer. Thanks, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund
HI. What if you went to a restaurant and the food arrives and it's under cooked or there is something drastically wrong with it? You do then have the right to send it back. If a sighted person buys an app they have the descriptions and screen shots to determine if they like the app or not. All we have is the description and no way of knowing or testing the app to see if it is accessible. How does that relate to eating a full meal in a restaurant? I've ordered food and it's been cold so it got sent back. That's what I'm suggesting with apps, some way of having an idea of whether or not they were accessible or not. what a terrible thing if I had bought something expensive like a gps app for $70.00 and it turned out not to be accessible? Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 05/08/2013, at 9:20 AM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, This arguement reminds me of something along the line of... lets go to the restarant, lets order some food, eat it, then decide if you like the food or not to determine if you pay for the food or not. Reason? well, because i'm blind, i have the rights to taste the food. If it is not suiting my taste, i'll decide not too pay... Joanne Shuang Chua Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate Send from my iPad On 05/08/2013, at 8:42, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I was thinking more along the lines of the app could be downloaded and is fully functional for a day unless you purchase a key on the mac or do an in app purchase on the iphone. Some apps can be rather expensive, I would not be willing to buy a 10 or 20 dollar app I could not use and probably wouldn't unless I had heard it was at least usable in some way with voice over. How many apps I wonder are not discovered to be accessible because people are afraid to buy them in case they are not usable? regards Maria and crew from australia email: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com check out www.95-the-mix.com where we play lots of great music On 05/08/2013, at 9:01 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I would rather not give Apple complete access to my phone just so they can occasionally check to ensure I am not pirating apps. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 05/08/2013, at 10:41, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. wouldn't it work better if all apps could be downloaded for free and trialled say for a day? There are lots of apps I'd love to try but am hesitant to download due to the fact that there is really no way to tell if they are accessible or not unless someone on list or someone on applevis has tried them. I mean if it's a 99 c app it's not that bad but if it's 5 or 10 bucks? That's going to get expensive. Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 03/08/2013, at 6:02 PM, Arnold Schmidt arno...@mindspring.com wrote: As I state in another message, I would be much more willing to support a general refund policy, such as Google has, or at least use to have, rather than an it won't work with VoiceOver policy. That is just too open to abuse. Besides, a general refund policy would be an even better way to let developers know if people didn't like their app, a bunch of them all requested refunds. It might even improve accessibility. Arnold Schmidt - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:58 AM Subject: Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund Sieghard and All, Let me encourage you and actually everyone on this list to write Apple Accessibility to request that there be reasonable accommodation in place for VoiceOver users to receive app refunds in cases like Sieghard's. I'd also suggest that Sieghard's note be attached to your own. I believe this issue needs to be brought into the forefront in a positive and decisive way. We are almost 2000 people on this list and this is a very good opportunity to make this point heard. This discussion has come up before of being alerted of VO accessibility ahead of time in the App Store and though we've not come to a set conclusion on the best way to do this, having some indication that an app has been found to be accessible to some degree with VoiceOver before we purchase it is a completely reasonable request. If this is not possible, then it is more than reasonable to ask for refunds if we cannot use an app which is not accessible to us with the available Apple universal access paradigm. the email address for Apple Accessibility is: accessibil...@apple.com These are very caring people so please keep this in mind when you write. I've known some of them personally. They want
Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund
Well, given how few blind people there are, and how few apps we actually buy compared with sighted people, and considering that this model would require a complete rewrite and restructuring of the App Store, I seriously doubt it would happen unless Apple receives a great many requests for such. The shareware model of computer software distribution does something like this. Save for small companies, shareware is not usually used because it does not typically make much money because people readily and easily crack the protection schemes. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 05/08/2013, at 11:12, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I was thinking more along the lines of the app could be downloaded and is fully functional for a day unless you purchase a key on the mac or do an in app purchase on the iphone. Some apps can be rather expensive, I would not be willing to buy a 10 or 20 dollar app I could not use and probably wouldn't unless I had heard it was at least usable in some way with voice over. How many apps I wonder are not discovered to be accessible because people are afraid to buy them in case they are not usable? regards Maria and crew from australia email: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com check out www.95-the-mix.com where we play lots of great music On 05/08/2013, at 9:01 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I would rather not give Apple complete access to my phone just so they can occasionally check to ensure I am not pirating apps. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 05/08/2013, at 10:41, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. wouldn't it work better if all apps could be downloaded for free and trialled say for a day? There are lots of apps I'd love to try but am hesitant to download due to the fact that there is really no way to tell if they are accessible or not unless someone on list or someone on applevis has tried them. I mean if it's a 99 c app it's not that bad but if it's 5 or 10 bucks? That's going to get expensive. Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 03/08/2013, at 6:02 PM, Arnold Schmidt arno...@mindspring.com wrote: As I state in another message, I would be much more willing to support a general refund policy, such as Google has, or at least use to have, rather than an it won't work with VoiceOver policy. That is just too open to abuse. Besides, a general refund policy would be an even better way to let developers know if people didn't like their app, a bunch of them all requested refunds. It might even improve accessibility. Arnold Schmidt - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:58 AM Subject: Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund Sieghard and All, Let me encourage you and actually everyone on this list to write Apple Accessibility to request that there be reasonable accommodation in place for VoiceOver users to receive app refunds in cases like Sieghard's. I'd also suggest that Sieghard's note be attached to your own. I believe this issue needs to be brought into the forefront in a positive and decisive way. We are almost 2000 people on this list and this is a very good opportunity to make this point heard. This discussion has come up before of being alerted of VO accessibility ahead of time in the App Store and though we've not come to a set conclusion on the best way to do this, having some indication that an app has been found to be accessible to some degree with VoiceOver before we purchase it is a completely reasonable request. If this is not possible, then it is more than reasonable to ask for refunds if we cannot use an app which is not accessible to us with the available Apple universal access paradigm. the email address for Apple Accessibility is: accessibil...@apple.com These are very caring people so please keep this in mind when you write. I've known some of them personally. They want to help though there may not be a clear way of making this happen just yet. Just let them know this is important though. Make your voice heard in a friendly way. they will listen to you even if they do not know the best answer yet. :) Thanks All, for your time. Sincerely, Cara :) On Aug 1, 2013, at 11:09 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hello List, Requesting a refund for an app which turns out not to work with Voiceover has come up a few times and the iTunes Store support email has been posted in connection with that. So I thought I post my recent experience with contacting iTunes Store support via their email. I had bought a couple of package
Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund
I'm not sure we're talking about a complete rewrite and restructuring of the App Store. Apple has also demonstrated a commitment to accessibility in the past. We're also not talking about shareware, which you're right, is getting harder and harder to find and seems to be a failed business model. We're talking about trials and demos, which are used by some pretty large and successful companies. Most new PC's are filled with trialware from companies like Symantec, Microsoft and so on. On 08/04/2013 06:34 PM, David Chittenden wrote: Well, given how few blind people there are, and how few apps we actually buy compared with sighted people, and considering that this model would require a complete rewrite and restructuring of the App Store, I seriously doubt it would happen unless Apple receives a great many requests for such. The shareware model of computer software distribution does something like this. Save for small companies, shareware is not usually used because it does not typically make much money because people readily and easily crack the protection schemes. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 05/08/2013, at 11:12, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com mailto:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I was thinking more along the lines of the app could be downloaded and is fully functional for a day unless you purchase a key on the mac or do an in app purchase on the iphone. Some apps can be rather expensive, I would not be willing to buy a 10 or 20 dollar app I could not use and probably wouldn't unless I had heard it was at least usable in some way with voice over. How many apps I wonder are not discovered to be accessible because people are afraid to buy them in case they are not usable? regards Maria and crew from australia email: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com mailto:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com check out www.95-the-mix.com http://www.95-the-mix.com where we play lots of great music On 05/08/2013, at 9:01 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I would rather not give Apple complete access to my phone just so they can occasionally check to ensure I am not pirating apps. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 05/08/2013, at 10:41, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com mailto:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. wouldn't it work better if all apps could be downloaded for free and trialled say for a day? There are lots of apps I'd love to try but am hesitant to download due to the fact that there is really no way to tell if they are accessible or not unless someone on list or someone on applevis has tried them. I mean if it's a 99 c app it's not that bad but if it's 5 or 10 bucks? That's going to get expensive. Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com http://gmail.com/ On 03/08/2013, at 6:02 PM, Arnold Schmidt arno...@mindspring.com mailto:arno...@mindspring.com wrote: As I state in another message, I would be much more willing to support a general refund policy, such as Google has, or at least use to have, rather than an it won't work with VoiceOver policy. That is just too open to abuse. Besides, a general refund policy would be an even better way to let developers know if people didn't like their app, a bunch of them all requested refunds. It might even improve accessibility. Arnold Schmidt - Original Message - *From:*Cara Quinn mailto:modelc...@gmail.com *To:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Sent:*Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:58 AM *Subject:*Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund Sieghard and All, Let me encourage you and actually everyone on this list to write Apple Accessibility to request that there be reasonable accommodation in place for VoiceOver users to receive app refunds in cases like Sieghard's. I'd also suggest that Sieghard's note be attached to your own. I believe this issue needs to be brought into the forefront in a positive and decisive way. We are almost 2000 people on this list and this is a very good opportunity to make this point heard. This discussion has come up before of being alerted of VO accessibility ahead of time in the App Store and though we've not come to a set conclusion on the best way to do this, having some indication that an app has been found to be accessible to some degree with VoiceOver before we purchase it is a completely reasonable request. If this is not possible, then it is more than reasonable to ask for refunds if we cannot use an app which is not accessible to us with the available Apple universal access paradigm. the email address for Apple Accessibility is:
Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund
HI. if this option is not viable how do we get around this problem? It's quite unreasonable to think that someone is going to buy an app over say $10 and just say well there's 10 dollars gone down the drain and never be able to use the app? This list and applevis is wonderful and the only way I can think to partially solve this problem is to contact an app developer and ask them to test their app with voice over. How do you manage the problem if you want to purchase an app that no one else has tried? Cheers Maria sent from mac mini email, fb bubbygirl1...@gmail.com skype bubbygirl1972 twitter same as skype without the numbers. On 05/08/2013, at 9:34 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Well, given how few blind people there are, and how few apps we actually buy compared with sighted people, and considering that this model would require a complete rewrite and restructuring of the App Store, I seriously doubt it would happen unless Apple receives a great many requests for such. The shareware model of computer software distribution does something like this. Save for small companies, shareware is not usually used because it does not typically make much money because people readily and easily crack the protection schemes. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 05/08/2013, at 11:12, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I was thinking more along the lines of the app could be downloaded and is fully functional for a day unless you purchase a key on the mac or do an in app purchase on the iphone. Some apps can be rather expensive, I would not be willing to buy a 10 or 20 dollar app I could not use and probably wouldn't unless I had heard it was at least usable in some way with voice over. How many apps I wonder are not discovered to be accessible because people are afraid to buy them in case they are not usable? regards Maria and crew from australia email: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com check out www.95-the-mix.com where we play lots of great music On 05/08/2013, at 9:01 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I would rather not give Apple complete access to my phone just so they can occasionally check to ensure I am not pirating apps. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 05/08/2013, at 10:41, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. wouldn't it work better if all apps could be downloaded for free and trialled say for a day? There are lots of apps I'd love to try but am hesitant to download due to the fact that there is really no way to tell if they are accessible or not unless someone on list or someone on applevis has tried them. I mean if it's a 99 c app it's not that bad but if it's 5 or 10 bucks? That's going to get expensive. Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 03/08/2013, at 6:02 PM, Arnold Schmidt arno...@mindspring.com wrote: As I state in another message, I would be much more willing to support a general refund policy, such as Google has, or at least use to have, rather than an it won't work with VoiceOver policy. That is just too open to abuse. Besides, a general refund policy would be an even better way to let developers know if people didn't like their app, a bunch of them all requested refunds. It might even improve accessibility. Arnold Schmidt - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:58 AM Subject: Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund Sieghard and All, Let me encourage you and actually everyone on this list to write Apple Accessibility to request that there be reasonable accommodation in place for VoiceOver users to receive app refunds in cases like Sieghard's. I'd also suggest that Sieghard's note be attached to your own. I believe this issue needs to be brought into the forefront in a positive and decisive way. We are almost 2000 people on this list and this is a very good opportunity to make this point heard. This discussion has come up before of being alerted of VO accessibility ahead of time in the App Store and though we've not come to a set conclusion on the best way to do this, having some indication that an app has been found to be accessible to some degree with VoiceOver before we purchase it is a completely reasonable request. If this is not possible, then it is more than reasonable to ask for refunds if we cannot use an app which is not accessible to us with the available Apple universal access paradigm. the email address for Apple Accessibility is: accessibil...@apple.com These are very caring people so please keep this in mind when you
Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund
Yep that is what I was thinking. regards Maria and crew from australia email: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com check out www.95-the-mix.com where we play lots of great music On 05/08/2013, at 9:41 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure we're talking about a complete rewrite and restructuring of the App Store. Apple has also demonstrated a commitment to accessibility in the past. We're also not talking about shareware, which you're right, is getting harder and harder to find and seems to be a failed business model. We're talking about trials and demos, which are used by some pretty large and successful companies. Most new PC's are filled with trialware from companies like Symantec, Microsoft and so on. On 08/04/2013 06:34 PM, David Chittenden wrote: Well, given how few blind people there are, and how few apps we actually buy compared with sighted people, and considering that this model would require a complete rewrite and restructuring of the App Store, I seriously doubt it would happen unless Apple receives a great many requests for such. The shareware model of computer software distribution does something like this. Save for small companies, shareware is not usually used because it does not typically make much money because people readily and easily crack the protection schemes. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 05/08/2013, at 11:12, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com mailto:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I was thinking more along the lines of the app could be downloaded and is fully functional for a day unless you purchase a key on the mac or do an in app purchase on the iphone. Some apps can be rather expensive, I would not be willing to buy a 10 or 20 dollar app I could not use and probably wouldn't unless I had heard it was at least usable in some way with voice over. How many apps I wonder are not discovered to be accessible because people are afraid to buy them in case they are not usable? regards Maria and crew from australia email: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com mailto:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com check out www.95-the-mix.com http://www.95-the-mix.com where we play lots of great music On 05/08/2013, at 9:01 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I would rather not give Apple complete access to my phone just so they can occasionally check to ensure I am not pirating apps. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 05/08/2013, at 10:41, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com mailto:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. wouldn't it work better if all apps could be downloaded for free and trialled say for a day? There are lots of apps I'd love to try but am hesitant to download due to the fact that there is really no way to tell if they are accessible or not unless someone on list or someone on applevis has tried them. I mean if it's a 99 c app it's not that bad but if it's 5 or 10 bucks? That's going to get expensive. Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com http://gmail.com/ On 03/08/2013, at 6:02 PM, Arnold Schmidt arno...@mindspring.com mailto:arno...@mindspring.com wrote: As I state in another message, I would be much more willing to support a general refund policy, such as Google has, or at least use to have, rather than an it won't work with VoiceOver policy. That is just too open to abuse. Besides, a general refund policy would be an even better way to let developers know if people didn't like their app, a bunch of them all requested refunds. It might even improve accessibility. Arnold Schmidt - Original Message - *From:*Cara Quinn mailto:modelc...@gmail.com *To:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Sent:*Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:58 AM *Subject:*Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund Sieghard and All, Let me encourage you and actually everyone on this list to write Apple Accessibility to request that there be reasonable accommodation in place for VoiceOver users to receive app refunds in cases like Sieghard's. I'd also suggest that Sieghard's note be attached to your own. I believe this issue needs to be brought into the forefront in a positive and decisive way. We are almost 2000 people on this list and this is a very good opportunity to make this point heard. This discussion has come up before of being alerted of VO accessibility ahead of time in the App Store and though we've not come to a set conclusion on the best way to do this, having some indication that an app has been found to be accessible to some
Re: I associate The word game
Hi. it will only make a sound if the word is correct. Are you certain the word is the correct word? Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 05/08/2013, at 9:13 AM, Lelia Struve leliastr...@samobile.net wrote: Hello, can anyone give me any tips, when ever I type in my word and hit done, it doesn't seem to work. I don't know what is the deal. Thank you Lelia Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: I associate The word game
Thank you Maria, that is what I needed to know. It is probably not the right word. Thank you Lelia Sent from my iPhone On Aug 4, 2013, at 5:47 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. it will only make a sound if the word is correct. Are you certain the word is the correct word? Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 05/08/2013, at 9:13 AM, Lelia Struve leliastr...@samobile.net wrote: Hello, can anyone give me any tips, when ever I type in my word and hit done, it doesn't seem to work. I don't know what is the deal. Thank you Lelia Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: I associate The word game
Hi. no problem always happy to help. I know sometimes I am totally sure a word is correct and I realize how wrong I was. lol Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 05/08/2013, at 9:59 AM, Lelia Struve leliastr...@samobile.net wrote: Thank you Maria, that is what I needed to know. It is probably not the right word. Thank you Lelia Sent from my iPhone On Aug 4, 2013, at 5:47 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. it will only make a sound if the word is correct. Are you certain the word is the correct word? Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 05/08/2013, at 9:13 AM, Lelia Struve leliastr...@samobile.net wrote: Hello, can anyone give me any tips, when ever I type in my word and hit done, it doesn't seem to work. I don't know what is the deal. Thank you Lelia Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Downcast podcast app is on sale for 99 Cents
Hi Becky, You might want to ask your Downcast for the Mac questions on one of the Mac lists since this list is an iOS and iDevice list exclusively. The moderators are fairly strict in keeping the discussion on topic which makes sense since the traffic on the list is already so high and Mac specific lists are out there. If you aren't subscribed to any of them you might want to use the link at the end of this message to go to the list archive and search for Mac lists since at various times subscription information about this has been provided. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rebecca Sabo Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 10:59 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Downcast podcast app is on sale for 99 Cents Hi all I love listening to down cast on my phone so I just purchase the ap for my mack how do you use it on the mac? Thanks Becky On Aug 3, 2013, at 12:58 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hello List, I was looking at the app description of Downcast and right as the first sentence I found the following: In celebration of the arrival of Downcast for OS X, https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/downcast/id668429425?mt=12 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/downcast/id668429425?mt=12, Downcast for iOS is temporarily on sale! I believe Downcast is usually $2.99 and it is currently on sale for 99 Cents. Anybody who is looking for a good podcast app should take advantage of this, Downcast is fully accessible with Voiceover and in terms of features and user friendliness it doesn't get much better than that. Besides that, some of the Mac users who use Downcast on their iOS device or devices, may be happy to know that there is now a Mac app as well. For those who want to read more about Downcast which is considered to be one of the best podcast clients out there by sighted as well as blind users, here is the app store link: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/downcast/id393858566?mt=8 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/downcast/id393858566?mt=8 Best regards, Sieghard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing mailto:viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: I associate The word game
Hi, I love that game, but you really have to think out-of-the-box with it. Sometimes words are so easy, but then others you would not even think of the word. Some sucks sometimes I just put in letters until I get it to reveal some of the letters so that I can try to think of the words. If you need any help please let me know. I would be glad to help, God bless, Wren Sent from my iPhone On Aug 4, 2013, at 6:13 PM, Lelia Struve leliastr...@samobile.net wrote: Hello, can anyone give me any tips, when ever I type in my word and hit done, it doesn't seem to work. I don't know what is the deal. Thank you Lelia Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Best color identifier?
I've given up on all of them. I use a stand alone model I bought from Maxiaids about eight years ago. It still works reliably. For over $100, it should. From what I understand, there is no way an I Phone app will ever be able to reliably identify colors. Someone out there with some technical knowledge can hopefully explain why this is. Tom Frank vermont...@gmail.com On Aug 4, 2013, at 7:18 PM, Cliff Self cl...@cablespeed.com wrote: In this case I was outdoors in full sunlight. Any app that can't discriminate a color in that situation is suspect, if not fully unreliable. Cliff - Original Message - From: David Chittenden To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 4:00 PM Subject: Re: Best color identifier? On Friday evening, I was at a dance. The lights were on. I started asking a lady what colour various articles of clothing I was wearing were. Several times, she was not sure. She said the lighting in the hall caused a different shading, so she couldn't tell very well. Now, if a sighted person has difficulty and variability based on lighting and other factors, how can we expect a colour ID app to do better? It really depends on many factors. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 05/08/2013, at 10:46, Cliff Self cl...@cablespeed.com wrote: Any suggestions for the best one out there? Currently I have Color ID, but it's less than reliable. Just now it told me my skin was purplish blue. Either there's something terribly wrong with me or with the app, and I feel pretty healthy, so I suspect the latter. Cliff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options,
solara podcast0
Hi all, I believe there is a Podcast for Solara on Applevis, but can't find it, probably because I'm not putting in the right information. Could someone please send me the link? Thank you. God Bless, Wren Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: I associate The word game
Thank you, actually, Maria had it right, I just wasn't putting in the right word so it didn't give me a sound. I also love this game. I could play it for hours, my husband also likes to play with me. Lelia Sent from my iPhone On Aug 4, 2013, at 6:09 PM, Lea Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi, I love that game, but you really have to think out-of-the-box with it. Sometimes words are so easy, but then others you would not even think of the word. Some sucks sometimes I just put in letters until I get it to reveal some of the letters so that I can try to think of the words. If you need any help please let me know. I would be glad to help, God bless, Wren Sent from my iPhone On Aug 4, 2013, at 6:13 PM, Lelia Struve leliastr...@samobile.net wrote: Hello, can anyone give me any tips, when ever I type in my word and hit done, it doesn't seem to work. I don't know what is the deal. Thank you Lelia Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Best color identifier?
Hi all, Did you ever go to the store and purchase a garment that you were told was a certain color only to get home to find out they didn't sell you the color you wanted. Well, it happens all the time based on the type of lighting in the store. I bought a chair once being a caramel color only to have it delivered and find out it was more like a chocolate. In the store it was in the window in the sun and, at my place, it happened to be in a room with much less lighting. Bottom line is that you will never get a machine to be accurate if a human brain can't be. I have also found that my stand alone color identifier is much more reliable than any app for the IPhone. I haven't found one yet that I can count on. I haven't erased them yet just in case someone comes up with a miracle update but that hasn't happened yet and I don't expect it to happen anytime soon. My trusty standalone model can be counted on except for shades of beige. It comes up with light grey olive green but, at least, it is consistent so I know that is a shade of beige. If it comes up with very light brown, it can be a dark shade of beige. Like anything else, one day they will improve. Who in this world expected that one day, a blind person would be able to do so much with his or her phone. Just a thought Ron Danvers Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... Read Bria and McKenna's account of their cruise to the Panama Canal at: http://www.chrisandron.com http://www.chrisandron.com; From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Self Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 7:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Best color identifier? In this case I was outdoors in full sunlight. Any app that can't discriminate a color in that situation is suspect, if not fully unreliable. Cliff - Original Message - From: David Chittenden mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 4:00 PM Subject: Re: Best color identifier? On Friday evening, I was at a dance. The lights were on. I started asking a lady what colour various articles of clothing I was wearing were. Several times, she was not sure. She said the lighting in the hall caused a different shading, so she couldn't tell very well. Now, if a sighted person has difficulty and variability based on lighting and other factors, how can we expect a colour ID app to do better? It really depends on many factors. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 05/08/2013, at 10:46, Cliff Self cl...@cablespeed.com wrote: Any suggestions for the best one out there? Currently I have Color ID, but it's less than reliable. Just now it told me my skin was purplish blue. Either there's something terribly wrong with me or with the app, and I feel pretty healthy, so I suspect the latter. Cliff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone
Light Detection for color identification -and- Re: Best color identifier?
Hi cliff, YOu say that any app which cannot identify colors in full sunlight is suspect… this is not that simple of a situation. There is more going on here. Not only do you have a light level to take into account, but you also have the light temperature or color to take into account. There is actually more to this as well, but for now, let's just stay with the light itself. As David mentions, in low-light, the human eye relies more on the rods which are used for night vision. These cells see in black and white. So the effect of this is that colors become less vivid or drain completely until they basically appear to be shades of grey. While the camera does not have rods and cones, it is also subject to its need for good lighting conditions. So the camera's sensor may not actually have enough color data to communicate this to an app. If you look at images taken with digital cameras, which consist mostly of blacks, you may find that the image itself takes up less space. Data which represents color and lighting actually can make an image's size greater. So it is important to have enough light for an app to be able to have the appropriate data with which to decide on the most prevalent color in the image. Which actually gets into a whole other discussion. Back to the lighting though… In full sunlight ideally the light should be as good as it can get, but it's also not that simple. The temperature of the light or its color can still change depending on time of day or atmospheric conditions etc. Some days the sunlight can be warmer with more red in it and other days it can appear cooler with more blue in it. I'm not sure if you've had sight but some days the sun can appear more white than yellow. this shows a differing light temperature. Cameras are very sensitive to this and this is one reason why color identification using a camera can be so difficult. the other factor to consider is are you getting too much light into the camera's sensor? In bright sunlight, it is easily possible to blow out the colors in your image. This means that your colors will become washed out or closer to white. So again, bad for color identification. Even indoors when using your camera's flash, it is possible to have your colors wash out. This is not unheard of on the iPhone as the flash is pretty bright and of a high temperature. So depending on how close you are to the item you are trying to use color identification with you can also get erroneous results. there are also other factors for good color in digital photos but for now these I've discussed above are really important. This is why stand-alone color identifiers are as good as they are. They calibrate the lighting and sensor and attempt to eliminate any other light from getting into the sensor. So with a camera, at least on a cell phone, one tends not to be able to have such control. This is why color identification is not as good on cell phones. Having said this, for my own personal opinion, the best color identification app I've found is ColorVisor by VisorApps which you can find at: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/colorvisor/id511093568?mt=8ls=1 there is also another way I check for color using a light detector app. I have three identical tops. One is white, one is Sea Foam and the other is black. Using the light detector, I can easily and accurately tell which top is which. The app issues a high pitch when it sees more light and low pitch when it sees less light. so if I either hold each top up to the camera or lay them out on my bed, as long as I have a constant light source in the room, I simply aim the camera at each top and can tell them apart by pitch. The white one reflects the most light so is the highest pitch. The Sea Foam reflects medium light so is a medium pitch and the black one reflects the least light so is the lowest pitch. The app is simply called Light Detector by EveryWare Technologies (make note of the spelling) You can find this app at: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/light-detector/id420929143?mt=8ls=1 good luck and thanks for the great question! Smiles, Cara :) On Aug 4, 2013, at 4:18 PM, Cliff Self cl...@cablespeed.com wrote: In this case I was outdoors in full sunlight. Any app that can't discriminate a color in that situation is suspect, if not fully unreliable. Cliff - Original Message - From: David Chittenden To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 4:00 PM Subject: Re: Best color identifier? On Friday evening, I was at a dance. The lights were on. I started asking a lady what colour various articles of clothing I was wearing were. Several times, she was not sure. She said the lighting in the hall caused a different shading, so she couldn't tell very well. Now, if a sighted person has difficulty and variability based on lighting and other factors, how can we expect a colour ID app to do better? It really depends on many factors. David
Best Scanning and OCR Apps for the iPad?
Hello all, Thank you for all the help you guys provide me. I come here again with one more question, please? So, I am trying to use the iPad more for my study/education purposses. So, can you guys suggest me some nice free apps that are scanning and OCR apps for the iPad mini? I know this topic has come up several times on this list and at that time, it wasn't that important to me so I deleted it. The archive page is not being my friend on my computer. So, would you please be kind to state it again? So, I want an app like where If II get a worksheet, I can scan it and read it on my iPad. Possibly free. At least, the ones, where you can try the version that's free and doesn't cost too much and I might use my iTunes gift card, if I really have to, if it's really that good. Any suggestions/comments//tips welcome regarding this topic. Thank you for your assistance. Sent from my iPad -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
iAssociate Game Question
Hi Everyone, This game sounds fun, so I went to hunt for it in the App store, and there were two games listed. One was iAssociate and the other was iAssociate 2. They seem to be put out by different people, so I'm wondering, which one is the one you're talking about here on list? Thanks! Desi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: iAssociate Game Question
Hi, you want I associate to if you need any help please let me know. God bless, Wren andy Sent from my iPhone On Aug 4, 2013, at 10:41 PM, Desi Noller desi.nol...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, This game sounds fun, so I went to hunt for it in the App store, and there were two games listed. One was iAssociate and the other was iAssociate 2. They seem to be put out by different people, so I'm wondering, which one is the one you're talking about here on list? Thanks! Desi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: iAssociate Game Question
You want iAssociate 2. It is a fun and addictive game. It can also be very challenging which I love. Liz Ulrich and Leader dog Sammie Westwood Church of God Prayer Chain Coordinator HTTP://WWW.FACEBOOK.COM/ELIZABETH.ULRICH.1 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
adding people who are not in my phones contact list to heytell?
hey all is there a way to add people to heytell if there not in your phones contact list? your help with this question would be most welcome. kind regards trahern. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: adding people who are not in my phones contact list to heytell?
Yes, you can use twitter user name as well. The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion.Joanne Chua Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate Send from my iPad On 05/08/2013, at 13:35, trahern culver tecks-...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: hey all is there a way to add people to heytell if there not in your phones contact list? your help with this question would be most welcome. kind regards trahern. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund
Hello, You completely missed my point about implementation of such a system, not to mention the extreme complexities involved in coding it. Also, You completely glossed over the fact that Shareware is the only model where this is typically done. Shareware usually comes from small start-ups which are still trying to get their names out, and by hobbyists. Successful companies usually do not use shareware for reasons of piracy. Shareware programs can, and are, cracked so people can use them without paying for them. Companies and developers which make and sell shareware do not earn very much money from the shareware because it is so easily and readily cracked. So, let's consider Apple App Store with such a distribution method. If you never jailbreak your iOS device, the system will probably work decently well, except that a good hacker may be able to open the app's shell and tinker with its timing factor. If the app cannot receive the accurate time from the phone, it can always believe it is still in the 24 hour free trial time. I knew a person back in the US who did this with all his trial programs on his Mac. He was a low paid movie producer, but liked Adobe's editing, so he cracked adobe video editor to use it without paying the several hundred dollar licensing fee / purchase price. If you jailbreak your iPhone, the jailbreak community would quickly develop an app that would enfold any App Store app and constantly show the time/date stamp which makes the app believe it is still in its trial phase. To do this, no app would need to be hacked, just intercept the day/time query from the app and send back the original day of download. This is a basic program I could probably write with just a little bit of study. And, before you say blind people are mostly honest and would never do such a thing, even if true, and I would question such an assertion, we are less than 0.5% of the population, and probably less than that of the percent of people who use iPhones and iPhone apps. These, and other similar questions must be answered to developers' satisfaction before developers would feel secure in agreeing to such a scheme with significant possibility of piracy and abuse. In other words, our desires are not the only factors that need to be considered. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 05/08/2013, at 11:33, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think this is very analogous. When you purchase a meal, it's to enjoy it that one dining experience. If you don't like the food then you can complain. You may or may not get some consideration on the bill, and this has nothing to do with blindness. When you purchase an app, it's generally to use it for a while, and not just one time. Plenty of companies and apps have very successful business models where you can download an application, try it for a week or a month and then purchase it or it stops working. This is not a new concept, and as David has said, could be implemented in the App Store with in app purchases. Finally, enjoying the taste of a meal and the dining experience has nothing to do with sight or blindness, and is pretty trivial when compared to the needed accessibility to use an app. On 08/04/2013 06:20 PM, Joanne Chua wrote: Hi, This arguement reminds me of something along the line of... lets go to the restarant, lets order some food, eat it, then decide if you like the food or not to determine if you pay for the food or not. Reason? well, because i'm blind, i have the rights to taste the food. If it is not suiting my taste, i'll decide not too pay... Joanne Shuang Chua Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate Send from my iPad On 05/08/2013, at 8:42, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com mailto:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I was thinking more along the lines of the app could be downloaded and is fully functional for a day unless you purchase a key on the mac or do an in app purchase on the iphone. Some apps can be rather expensive, I would not be willing to buy a 10 or 20 dollar app I could not use and probably wouldn't unless I had heard it was at least usable in some way with voice over. How many apps I wonder are not discovered to be accessible because people are afraid to buy them in case they are not usable? regards Maria and crew from australia email: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com mailto:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com check out www.95-the-mix.com http://www.95-the-mix.com where we play lots of great music On 05/08/2013, at 9:01 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I would rather not give Apple complete access to my phone just so they can occasionally check to ensure I am not pirating apps. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my
Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund
Yes, and the trial / demo ware is either limited, or is tied to the computer clock. In the PC, software spreads itself all around, so it is extremely difficult for a hacker to crack it. In the iOS system with the app completely sandboxed away, the situation is completely different. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 05/08/2013, at 11:41, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure we're talking about a complete rewrite and restructuring of the App Store. Apple has also demonstrated a commitment to accessibility in the past. We're also not talking about shareware, which you're right, is getting harder and harder to find and seems to be a failed business model. We're talking about trials and demos, which are used by some pretty large and successful companies. Most new PC's are filled with trialware from companies like Symantec, Microsoft and so on. On 08/04/2013 06:34 PM, David Chittenden wrote: Well, given how few blind people there are, and how few apps we actually buy compared with sighted people, and considering that this model would require a complete rewrite and restructuring of the App Store, I seriously doubt it would happen unless Apple receives a great many requests for such. The shareware model of computer software distribution does something like this. Save for small companies, shareware is not usually used because it does not typically make much money because people readily and easily crack the protection schemes. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 05/08/2013, at 11:12, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com mailto:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I was thinking more along the lines of the app could be downloaded and is fully functional for a day unless you purchase a key on the mac or do an in app purchase on the iphone. Some apps can be rather expensive, I would not be willing to buy a 10 or 20 dollar app I could not use and probably wouldn't unless I had heard it was at least usable in some way with voice over. How many apps I wonder are not discovered to be accessible because people are afraid to buy them in case they are not usable? regards Maria and crew from australia email: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com mailto:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com check out www.95-the-mix.com http://www.95-the-mix.com where we play lots of great music On 05/08/2013, at 9:01 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I would rather not give Apple complete access to my phone just so they can occasionally check to ensure I am not pirating apps. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 05/08/2013, at 10:41, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com mailto:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. wouldn't it work better if all apps could be downloaded for free and trialled say for a day? There are lots of apps I'd love to try but am hesitant to download due to the fact that there is really no way to tell if they are accessible or not unless someone on list or someone on applevis has tried them. I mean if it's a 99 c app it's not that bad but if it's 5 or 10 bucks? That's going to get expensive. Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com http://gmail.com/ On 03/08/2013, at 6:02 PM, Arnold Schmidt arno...@mindspring.com mailto:arno...@mindspring.com wrote: As I state in another message, I would be much more willing to support a general refund policy, such as Google has, or at least use to have, rather than an it won't work with VoiceOver policy. That is just too open to abuse. Besides, a general refund policy would be an even better way to let developers know if people didn't like their app, a bunch of them all requested refunds. It might even improve accessibility. Arnold Schmidt - Original Message - *From:*Cara Quinn mailto:modelc...@gmail.com *To:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Sent:*Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:58 AM *Subject:*Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund Sieghard and All, Let me encourage you and actually everyone on this list to write Apple Accessibility to request that there be reasonable accommodation in place for VoiceOver users to receive app refunds in cases like Sieghard's. I'd also suggest that Sieghard's note be attached to your own. I believe this issue needs to be brought into the forefront in a positive and decisive way. We are almost 2000 people on this list and this is a very good opportunity to make this point heard. This discussion has come up before of being alerted of VO
Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund
You manage it the same way you manage it with a PC. You contact the developer. If the developer has specifically addressed accessibility, they will tell you. If not, they will say no, or they will not know what you are talking about. You then take the chance, or you don't take the chance. The only difference is, with the PC, you have about a 10% chance that the software will be accessible. If it isn't, you wasted your money, because the software cannot be returned once you open it. I used to give it away as gifts to people I knew would like it. With iOS, unless it's a game, or a very graphically intensive app, you have a 66% chance it will be somewhat accessible. These odds are the best I have had in the computer marketplace, so I do occasionally take chances. And yes, I have lost a couple hundred dollars over the past three years because I have purchased apps that ended up not being accessible. If you don't want to take any chances, use our crowd-sourcing option, applevis. Remember that we have a very small user base, so our crowd-sourcing is quite limited. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 05/08/2013, at 11:44, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. if this option is not viable how do we get around this problem? It's quite unreasonable to think that someone is going to buy an app over say $10 and just say well there's 10 dollars gone down the drain and never be able to use the app? This list and applevis is wonderful and the only way I can think to partially solve this problem is to contact an app developer and ask them to test their app with voice over. How do you manage the problem if you want to purchase an app that no one else has tried? Cheers Maria sent from mac mini email, fb bubbygirl1...@gmail.com skype bubbygirl1972 twitter same as skype without the numbers. On 05/08/2013, at 9:34 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Well, given how few blind people there are, and how few apps we actually buy compared with sighted people, and considering that this model would require a complete rewrite and restructuring of the App Store, I seriously doubt it would happen unless Apple receives a great many requests for such. The shareware model of computer software distribution does something like this. Save for small companies, shareware is not usually used because it does not typically make much money because people readily and easily crack the protection schemes. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 05/08/2013, at 11:12, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I was thinking more along the lines of the app could be downloaded and is fully functional for a day unless you purchase a key on the mac or do an in app purchase on the iphone. Some apps can be rather expensive, I would not be willing to buy a 10 or 20 dollar app I could not use and probably wouldn't unless I had heard it was at least usable in some way with voice over. How many apps I wonder are not discovered to be accessible because people are afraid to buy them in case they are not usable? regards Maria and crew from australia email: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com check out www.95-the-mix.com where we play lots of great music On 05/08/2013, at 9:01 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I would rather not give Apple complete access to my phone just so they can occasionally check to ensure I am not pirating apps. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 05/08/2013, at 10:41, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. wouldn't it work better if all apps could be downloaded for free and trialled say for a day? There are lots of apps I'd love to try but am hesitant to download due to the fact that there is really no way to tell if they are accessible or not unless someone on list or someone on applevis has tried them. I mean if it's a 99 c app it's not that bad but if it's 5 or 10 bucks? That's going to get expensive. Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 03/08/2013, at 6:02 PM, Arnold Schmidt arno...@mindspring.com wrote: As I state in another message, I would be much more willing to support a general refund policy, such as Google has, or at least use to have, rather than an it won't work with VoiceOver policy. That is just too open to abuse. Besides, a general refund policy would be an even better way to let developers know if people didn't like their app, a bunch of them all requested refunds. It might even improve accessibility. Arnold Schmidt - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent:
Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund
I'm not as convinced as you are that such a system would be so complicated to implement. For example, I've known of trial software on the PC that stopped working when the date/time was altered. You may be right though. I'm not familiar with the App Store code, nor have I read up on this or heard an Apple developer speak to it. These are smart guys, who know their code pretty well, I wouldn't assume it was such a daunting task without running it by them first and bringing the request to them and Apple. Who knows what sharp guys could come up with after some serious brain storming. I'm not sure why you're bringing up shareware, which isn't what we're talking about here. Shareware is where you distribute completely functional code and then encourage people who find it useful to pay for it. I agree this is usually done by small shops, and I agree it hasn't seemed to have been a very successful business model. We're talking about trial software or demos which may have a short shelf life or limited functionality. Programs which need a key to continue working past a certain date or unlock the rest of the functionality. It's true that a lot of small companies use this, but so do a lot of large companies as well. New PC's are full of trial software from companies like Symantec and Microsoft. It's true they have to deal with piracy, but I don't think this is because they offer trials of their software. Allowing trials of software may pose a risk of piracy, but I would think that the closed nature of the iPhone would still make it easier for Apple to mitigate piracy than what you see on other platforms. I would never say that blind people are mostly honest and would never pirate software or take advantage of such a system. Blind people are people too, and that means they're just as good and just as bad. I'm not sure I or anyone else said that the desires of the blindness community are the only factors that need to be considered. Obviously, Apple needs to look at cost, profitability, ease of use by sighted users and so on. It does no one any good if undo demands are made on Apple that drive them out of business. Remember that this is just one possible solution to an issue that's been raised. Other ideas have also been suggested. Instead of arguing over the implementations ourselves and trying to figure out what is and isn't possible, let's bring our requests, ideas and suggestions to Apple and let the experts on the internals of the platform figure out what can and cannot be implemented. I've worked with computers long enough, both as a user and an engineer, to know that what may seem impossible today can show up in the market tomorrow. On 08/04/2013 11:23 PM, David Chittenden wrote: Hello, You completely missed my point about implementation of such a system, not to mention the extreme complexities involved in coding it. Also, You completely glossed over the fact that Shareware is the only model where this is typically done. Shareware usually comes from small start-ups which are still trying to get their names out, and by hobbyists. Successful companies usually do not use shareware for reasons of piracy. Shareware programs can, and are, cracked so people can use them without paying for them. Companies and developers which make and sell shareware do not earn very much money from the shareware because it is so easily and readily cracked. So, let's consider Apple App Store with such a distribution method. If you never jailbreak your iOS device, the system will probably work decently well, except that a good hacker may be able to open the app's shell and tinker with its timing factor. If the app cannot receive the accurate time from the phone, it can always believe it is still in the 24 hour free trial time. I knew a person back in the US who did this with all his trial programs on his Mac. He was a low paid movie producer, but liked Adobe's editing, so he cracked adobe video editor to use it without paying the several hundred dollar licensing fee / purchase price. If you jailbreak your iPhone, the jailbreak community would quickly develop an app that would enfold any App Store app and constantly show the time/date stamp which makes the app believe it is still in its trial phase. To do this, no app would need to be hacked, just intercept the day/time query from the app and send back the original day of download. This is a basic program I could probably write with just a little bit of study. And, before you say blind people are mostly honest and would never do such a thing, even if true, and I would question such an assertion, we are less than 0.5% of the population, and probably less than that of the percent of people who use iPhones and iPhone apps. These, and other similar questions must be answered to developers' satisfaction before developers would feel secure in agreeing to such a scheme with significant possibility of piracy and abuse.
RE: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund
Hello, David. That's just the point. It is not impossible, but it is at least difficult, to find a program on the PC which does not have either a trial or a method through which a user may examine it before purchase. You seem, if I may say so, to be thinking about things as they were 5 years ago rather than as they are now. I have, in the past 5 years at least, never purchased a program I didn't know I could use. The one case where I wrote to a developer before a purchase to ask about accessibility was where the program had to do with tax filing, and the application was, obviously, not suitable for timed trial or return because it had only one use in a limited time. I happen to agree with you that getting Apple to implement a trial system like everyone else (Google, Amazon, etc) is highly unlikely, but this is a problem unique to Apple. Everyone else is offering trials, both on the PC and on mobile platforms. Aman al Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:47 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund You manage it the same way you manage it with a PC. You contact the developer. If the developer has specifically addressed accessibility, they will tell you. If not, they will say no, or they will not know what you are talking about. You then take the chance, or you don't take the chance. The only difference is, with the PC, you have about a 10% chance that the software will be accessible. If it isn't, you wasted your money, because the software cannot be returned once you open it. I used to give it away as gifts to people I knew would like it. With iOS, unless it's a game, or a very graphically intensive app, you have a 66% chance it will be somewhat accessible. These odds are the best I have had in the computer marketplace, so I do occasionally take chances. And yes, I have lost a couple hundred dollars over the past three years because I have purchased apps that ended up not being accessible. If you don't want to take any chances, use our crowd-sourcing option, applevis. Remember that we have a very small user base, so our crowd-sourcing is quite limited. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 05/08/2013, at 11:44, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. if this option is not viable how do we get around this problem? It's quite unreasonable to think that someone is going to buy an app over say $10 and just say well there's 10 dollars gone down the drain and never be able to use the app? This list and applevis is wonderful and the only way I can think to partially solve this problem is to contact an app developer and ask them to test their app with voice over. How do you manage the problem if you want to purchase an app that no one else has tried? Cheers Maria sent from mac mini email, fb bubbygirl1...@gmail.com skype bubbygirl1972 twitter same as skype without the numbers. On 05/08/2013, at 9:34 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Well, given how few blind people there are, and how few apps we actually buy compared with sighted people, and considering that this model would require a complete rewrite and restructuring of the App Store, I seriously doubt it would happen unless Apple receives a great many requests for such. The shareware model of computer software distribution does something like this. Save for small companies, shareware is not usually used because it does not typically make much money because people readily and easily crack the protection schemes. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 05/08/2013, at 11:12, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I was thinking more along the lines of the app could be downloaded and is fully functional for a day unless you purchase a key on the mac or do an in app purchase on the iphone. Some apps can be rather expensive, I would not be willing to buy a 10 or 20 dollar app I could not use and probably wouldn't unless I had heard it was at least usable in some way with voice over. How many apps I wonder are not discovered to be accessible because people are afraid to buy them in case they are not usable? regards Maria and crew from australia email: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com check out
