RE: Phone update

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

I think you have to go to Settings, iCloud and drill down a bit. Sorry I can't 
tell you more specifics.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
christopher hallsworth
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 2:41 PM
To: Viphone
Subject: Re: Phone update

It might be in the extras folder.
> On 22 Sep 2015, at 09:49, simon wong  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, so far I'm having no trouble since updating the phone, but I 
> would like to know, when do you find this find my  phone option?
> 
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RE: Bluetooth keyboards and commands for iPad

[Rose Combs]

Neither is the IOS 9 book, most of the time you read a partial description then 
it tells you to see something else which was again vague.  I always read the 
book each year anyway, figure it can't hurt me.  Still, they seem to be more 
vague and dependent on graphics this year.  


Rose Combs
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 9:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Bluetooth keyboards and commands for iPad

I saw a list of Bluetooth keyboards commands that they did from iOS 7 I 
believe. I wonder if there is something newer. I know there are many new 
commands in iOS nine, but apparently the popovers that show these are not 
accessible to us. Not too helpful there, Apple.also I wonder if anyone still 
makes a full-size Bluetooth keyboard that works with Apple devices. Matt Ally 
used to make one, but I haven't seen it around lately in the Mac store. I have 
an Apple keyboard, but it's missing a control key to the right of the . Also I 
wonder if anyone still makes a full-size Bluetooth keyboard that works with 
Apple devices. Mac Ally used to make one, but I haven't seen it around lately 
in the Mac store. I have an Apple keyboard, but it's missing a control key to 
the right of the spacebar.. I hate that. So I'm looking for something that 
is full-size if it still exists.
Mary

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RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Rose Combs]

Not interested in folding keyboard, usually that means keys are misplaced 
slightly and, I never did well with the Microsoft split keyboards, tried them a 
few time, productivity was horrible.  


Rose Combs
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 1:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

Would you believe I have a full size 102 key bluetooth keyboard with terraced 
rows of keys with quite a long clicky travel.  Love 
the feel of it, but dubious portability, though it does fold in half TG and 
goes in a cloth pouch.

BobH.
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From: "Richard Turner" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 3:25 AM
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?


Another reason not to have a Macbook, or to have to use a USB keyboard, which 
defeats the idea of having the portability.  Isn't 
technology fun?

Richard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

Well someone on another list just told me that you cannot turn off the touchpad 
on a MacBook. That is disgusting.
Mary

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> On Sep 21, 2015, at 6:39 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
>
> Rose,
> Try Function F5.  That is how both my Work Del and my home Toshiba now turn 
> off the touch pad.
> I find I often have to turn it off again after rebooting, but at least I can 
> turn it off.
>
> I hope that works.  I hate touchpads.
>
> Richard
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rose Combs
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 2:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
>
> I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they 
> asked if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a 
> wireless keyboard.  However, if I were to carry it around with me not an 
> option and I am constantly hitting the touch pad on a 
> Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how far the keyboard 
> is back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the 
> palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had, very 
> old, I could turn that off with function key 9, 
> can't seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control 
> panel, maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.
>
> I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
> Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last 
> spring when I bought the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me 
> wrong, however, in the past nearly 40 years I have 
> typed 8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a couple of times a week or 
> less.  I once was very fast but now am not, 
> especially on tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to 
> this instead of other things to make it work for me, I 
> use the Focus minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, 
> transitioning to a new company not by my choice, then 
> ill, was terminated and am now retired earlier than I wished to be.
>
> Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at
> roseco...@q.com
>
> I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys 
> are going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for 
> years, loved it but, probably will need something I can use where others can 
> see what is happening is the reason I was asked about 
> a laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only and bought just at the end of its 
> cycle in early September 2013 as a present after I 
> taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He bought 
> me a mini after that and just before new 
> announcements were made.  First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't 
> going anywhere and his was donated to a friend who 
> spent months on a ventilator unable to talk but very much mentally with it.  
> I helped set it up so it could talk for him after my 
> husband passed a year ago in the spring.
> So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via 
> Bluetooth, if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to 
> carry.
> My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, 
> and if I could get it to connect to my home network so 
> I could load it easier it would be my choice.
>
> I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 
> card these days.  Never truly worked well in that 
> regard anyway.  However, makes it useless as an e-mail client also and 
> 

question about yahoo fantasy sports app

[Holly Anderson]

Hi all.  I have a question about the fantasy sports app, ever since the update, 
I can no longer click on individual weeks in the match ups tab.  At the top 
where I used to be able to click on weeks, it now says, week 1, week2, week3, 
etc all in one control, instead of breaking it up.  Has anyone figured out a 
way to view individual weeks?

Thanks.
Holly

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Re: iCloud backup

[Alex Hall]

An iCloud backup will give you everything--apps and all their data, home screen 
layout, settings, all that. The only things it lacks are secure items. That is, 
it won't give you your wifi passwords, logins for apps, and so on. It will be 
unaffected by iCloud Keychain for Safari; what I mean is that your Facebook 
app, for instance, won't come up with you logged in. It will instead have you 
log in when you first open it, because iCloud backups don't contain login 
details like that. I hope this makes sense.
> On Sep 22, 2015, at 14:29, Chris Smart  wrote:
> 
> Follow-up question:
> If one just backs up to the cloud regularly, not backing up using iTunes, and 
> needs to restore the phone at some future time, will they have to manually 
> download each app again from the App Store, then restore from the last iCloud 
> back up? Or, is iCloud smart enough to also get the App store to redownload 
> all apps?
> 
> Chris
> 
>  
> At 06:00 PM 9/18/2015, you wrote:
>> It does not back up apps, it will back up your data such as contacts. For a 
>> true backup use iTunes and backup the phone that way. That will backup all 
>> your apps and data.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Steve Sweeney
>> Sent: September 18, 2015 17:35
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: iCloud backup
>>  
>> Hi,
>> Does the iCloud backup backup the entire phone including all of its apps and 
>> data or does it just back up the OS and basic data like contacts… tthe 
>> checked items in iCloud in settings?
>> Thx –Steve
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RE: My apple Bluetooth keyboard works in iOS 9

[Rose Combs]

Well, I think the batteries I found were old and so, no go.  Got new ones, just 
have not tried them yet since typing on the keyboard was not particularly 
comfortable for me.  Will check it out before the 4th of October.  

 

 

Rose Combs

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 5:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My apple Bluetooth keyboard works in iOS 9

 

Rose,

 

Have you tried re-pairing it.  This means you first have to forget the pairing 
you already have, by tapping on that option.

 

It worked for me when my keyboard wasn't working properly and after upgrading 
to iOS Version 9.

 

Carol P

 

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From: Rose Combs   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 6:36 PM

Subject: RE: My apple Bluetooth keyboard works in iOS 9

 

I am unable to get a Logitech or Apple keyboard to connect to my iPhone 6, 
never have been able to do it for some reason.  Alone, no one to read numbers I 
may need to enter on the phone, have not found them either.  Frustrating as I 
will be taking a class soon where having the ability to type would be most 
helpful.  

Do not understand at all how to braille on an iPhone screen, never have had any 
luck with that.  Just truly need real keys.  

 

 

Rose Combs

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A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rich Ring
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 11:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: Rich Ring
Subject: Re: My apple bluetooth keyboard works in iOS 9

 

My Logitech K811 works fine with my iPhone 5S. These bugs are just so strange!

On Sep 20, 2015, at 1:14 PM, Neal Ewers  wrote:

 

Well, after all the excitement about this, I decided to try this on my backup 
iPhone. On the iPhone 5, my apple Bluetooth keyboard works fine, It does not 
even have double letters. I wonder if anyone else is using this same setup and 
what their experience is. I hesitate to update my iPhone 6, but the 5 certainly 
works in many edit fields I have been working in.

 

Neal

 

 

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Re: latest update of Trivia Crack?

[MamaPeach]

I have heard it is even more inaccessible as before. I would not update if I 
were you.


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From: Dacia Cole

Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 10:09 AM
To: viphone
Subject: latest update of Trivia Crack?

Hi,

Trivia crack claims that there latest update has fixed the crashing
issues in VO.  Is that true and is it worth updating?  I'm running IOS
9.0 on my Iphone 6.

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Re: iCloud backup

[Harry Bell]

Will my books on Voice Dream Reader come back when restoring from iCloud backup 
or only from iTunes backup?
Thanks
Harry

 

> On 22 Sep 2015, at 19:56, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> An iCloud backup will give you everything--apps and all their data, home 
> screen layout, settings, all that. The only things it lacks are secure items. 
> That is, it won't give you your wifi passwords, logins for apps, and so on. 
> It will be unaffected by iCloud Keychain for Safari; what I mean is that your 
> Facebook app, for instance, won't come up with you logged in. It will instead 
> have you log in when you first open it, because iCloud backups don't contain 
> login details like that. I hope this makes sense.
>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 14:29, Chris Smart  wrote:
>> 
>> Follow-up question:
>> If one just backs up to the cloud regularly, not backing up using iTunes, 
>> and needs to restore the phone at some future time, will they have to 
>> manually download each app again from the App Store, then restore from the 
>> last iCloud back up? Or, is iCloud smart enough to also get the App store to 
>> redownload all apps?
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>>  
>> At 06:00 PM 9/18/2015, you wrote:
>>> It does not back up apps, it will back up your data such as contacts. For a 
>>> true backup use iTunes and backup the phone that way. That will backup all 
>>> your apps and data.
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Steve Sweeney
>>> Sent: September 18, 2015 17:35
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: iCloud backup
>>>  
>>> Hi,
>>> Does the iCloud backup backup the entire phone including all of its apps 
>>> and data or does it just back up the OS and basic data like contacts… tthe 
>>> checked items in iCloud in settings?
>>> Thx –Steve
>>>  
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Re: voice over bug in iOS 9

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Better than the "chipmunk" effect in iOS 8.x, still not good though and am glad 
a workaround exists.
> On 22 Sep 2015, at 12:45, David Redman  wrote:
> 
> has anyone experienced this voice over bug; using apple music with my I phone 
> 6  and airplay to my apple tv voice over stutters and runs words together. 
> only after turning voice over off and then on again resolves the issue. 
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Re: iCloud backup

[Alex Hall]

They should be safe in your iCloud backup, so long as VDR is set to back up, of 
course.
> On Sep 22, 2015, at 15:02, Harry Bell  wrote:
> 
> Will my books on Voice Dream Reader come back when restoring from iCloud 
> backup or only from iTunes backup?
> Thanks
> Harry
> 
>  
> 
> On 22 Sep 2015, at 19:56, Alex Hall  > wrote:
> 
>> An iCloud backup will give you everything--apps and all their data, home 
>> screen layout, settings, all that. The only things it lacks are secure 
>> items. That is, it won't give you your wifi passwords, logins for apps, and 
>> so on. It will be unaffected by iCloud Keychain for Safari; what I mean is 
>> that your Facebook app, for instance, won't come up with you logged in. It 
>> will instead have you log in when you first open it, because iCloud backups 
>> don't contain login details like that. I hope this makes sense.
>>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 14:29, Chris Smart >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Follow-up question:
>>> If one just backs up to the cloud regularly, not backing up using iTunes, 
>>> and needs to restore the phone at some future time, will they have to 
>>> manually download each app again from the App Store, then restore from the 
>>> last iCloud back up? Or, is iCloud smart enough to also get the App store 
>>> to redownload all apps?
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>>  
>>> At 06:00 PM 9/18/2015, you wrote:
 It does not back up apps, it will back up your data such as contacts. For 
 a true backup use iTunes and backup the phone that way. That will backup 
 all your apps and data.
  
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 Does the iCloud backup backup the entire phone including all of its apps 
 and data or does it just back up the OS and basic data like contacts… tthe 
 checked items in iCloud in settings?
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RE: using Braille display with IOS 9.0

[Rose Combs]

I spent forever in a subject field, never saw body of message, finally canceled 
message, I don't use my phone for much mail unless I am away or without a WIFI 
connection.  I am too used to Outlook on the computer and a real keyboard.  
>From the keyboard junkie. 


Rose Combs
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andrew Lamanche
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 12:12 AM
To: VIPhone
Subject: Re: using Braille display with IOS 9.0

I have just discovered the same thing and I thought it was my fault because I 
am very new to using Braille display with iOS devices.  But similar to you, 
yesterday I spent half an hour trying to send an e-mail from my ipad and I too 
got stuck in the "to:" field and I could not get out of it and if I did by I 
don't know what means, whatever I had written into the text field disappeared.  
Nor did I get any feedback from Voiceover on what I was typing.  Should I 
report it to accessibility?

Thanks

Andrew
> On 22 Sep 2015, at 02:03, Rebecca Ilniski  wrote:
> 
> Hi all.  When I use my Apex or other Braille displays that I have worked with 
> on my IPhone with IoS 9.0 after typing in an edit field whether I'm in the 
> messages or mail app I can not use dot four chord or move to each field any 
> other way.  It seems that Braille is broken in this version of IOS.  It 
> doesn't matter whether I have the quick nav on or off and I've tried 
> resetting the phone as well as my apex.  Is anyone else having an issue using 
> a braille display with IOS 9 and if so is there a way around it?
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RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Rose Combs]

Where does them?  Never heard of this.  
Provide a website please?  


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 1:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

Ps:  you can get small footprint usb keyboards too, with quality mechanisms 
like the original IBM and Mackintosh keyboards of old.
Cherry and Matias still do them.
- Original Message - 
From: "Neal Ewers" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 10:48 PM
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?


What about a regular 101 key USB keyboard? Sorry, Now I have likely made this 
off topic.

Neal


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they asked 
if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a 
wireless keyboard.  However, if I were to carry it around with me not an option 
and I am constantly hitting the touch pad on a 
Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how far the keyboard is 
back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the 
palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had, very 
old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't 
seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control panel, 
maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.

I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last 
spring when I bought the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me 
wrong, however, in the past nearly 40 years I have typed 
8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a couple of times a week or less.  I 
once was very fast but now am not, especially on 
tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to this instead of 
other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus 
minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning to a 
new company not by my choice, then ill, was 
terminated and am now retired earlier than I wished to be.

Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at 
roseco...@q.com

I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys are 
going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for 
years, loved it but, probably will need something I can use where others can 
see what is happening is the reason I was asked about a 
laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only and bought just at the end of its 
cycle in early September 2013 as a present after I 
taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He bought me 
a mini after that and just before new announcements 
were made.  First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere and 
his was donated to a friend who spent months on a 
ventilator unable to talk but very much mentally with it.  I helped set it up 
so it could talk for him after my husband passed a 
year ago in the spring.
So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via Bluetooth, 
if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to 
carry.
My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, and 
if I could get it to connect to my home network so I 
could load it easier it would be my choice.

I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 
card these days.  Never truly worked well in that regard 
anyway.  However, makes it useless as an e-mail client also and probably would 
not open the documents I will be sent.
Long story as to why I did not upgrade it, let's just say HW and I are no 
longer friendly.

Rose Combs
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming meeting. 
I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with 
complete confidence and competence. However, that laptop is long since gone and 
buried.
At this point, my choices are to use my eye pad with a Bluetooth keyboard and 
pray that I don't get bit by the Bluetooth bug in iOS 
9, choosing among apps such as voice dream writer or the new notes app. Or I 
could borrow my husbands 11 inch MacBook air, with 
which I am not that familiar, and use something like text at it. Neither 
prospect is exciting. 

Re: IOS 9 and big brotherly attitude of Apple

[Chris Smart]

Try to be patient. It's not available in most countries yet. 
At 02:51 AM 9/19/2015, you wrote:
Dear friends,
 
On 16th of Sept. IOS 9 got launched and one of the biggest features that
was being touted was the News app.  I am sad to report that this app
(which should not cost anything extra to Apple or have any other legal
issues) is not available in India.  I was looking forward to
it.  I am sure India is also one of the markets that Apple is
viewing as its primary market and neither Apple maps nor apps like the
News apps are made available to Indian consumers.  Having said this,
it is to be remembered that Apple does not charge nothing less than the
global price of Iphone or Ipad from its Indian consumers.  I feel
that this is an important issue and should be conveyed to Apple through
its website as well as social media.  
 
With best wishes,
 
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RE: Problem with envoking Siri using the home button

[Sieghard Weitzel]

On my wife's iPhone 6 the SIRI tone is also gone, as soon as I turn on 
Voiceover it works. Finally a bug people have who don't run Voiceover, it's 
usually the other way around.


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Jenifer Barr
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Subject: Re: Problem with envoking Siri using the home button

I get a tone... but not all the time. 

Jenifer Barr
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2015, at 11:46 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
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> I think it is an ios9 bug - my sighted partner gets no tone now on her iPhone 
> 6 Plus when invoking Siri. Harry
> 
> 
> 
>> On 22 Sep 2015, at 16:44, Wendy Alling  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have a sighted friend who just updated to Ios9 using an iPhone 6 plus.
>> She cannot use the home button when trying to talk to Siri.  She does not
>> hear the tone when holding down the home button but she says that visually
>> she sees how can I help you on the screen.  She came over this morning and I
>> tried using the phone with voice over and the home button works just fine
>> and I get the tone after holding in the button.  I did recalibrate her home
>> button hoping this would work but it did not.  Any thoughts on how she can
>> get her home button to work properly again?  Could this be a bug in Ios 9?
>> Wendy
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Re: Question about text messaging.

[Alex Hall]

It is the case. I imagine that iOS figures you replied, so you must have read 
the message or you wouldn't have replied to it.
> On Sep 22, 2015, at 14:07, Christina C.  wrote:
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> I am also able to mark a message as read if I use Siri to send a text message 
> to someone I have an unread message from. Somehow, after I use Siri to send 
> them a message, their previous text is no longer showing as unread. I am 
> still using ioS 8.4 though and I do not know if this is the case for iOS 9.
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Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[christopher hallsworth]

Actually that is true. The VoiceOver cursor ignores the mouse pointer by 
default.
> On 22 Sep 2015, at 15:01, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
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> That's true, it does disable trackpad commander. If VoiceOver is
> running though, and trackpad commander is turned off, I don't think
> that anything would happen with the focus of the VoiceOver cursor. I
> may be wrong. I am a fairly new Mac user but in my limited experience,
> if trackpad commander was off then my focus did not jump around if I
> touch the trackpad while typing.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> On 9/22/15, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> Wayne,
>> Doesn't that disable trackpad commander, a voice over feature? Not the
>> trackpad itself.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 6:24 AM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>>> 
>>> For what it's worth, you can disable the trackpad on a MacBook by
>>> holding the VO keys (Control and Option) and then turning two fingers
>>> in the rodar gesture toward the left on the trackpad or counter
>>> clockwise. This will disable the trackpad and prevent your focus from
>>> jumping around if you touch the touchpad. The first few times I used
>>> Text Edit on my MacBook Pro, I turned off the trackpad using this
>>> gesture. I ran into the same issue you had with the trackpad. I
>>> haven't had to type for a long period on the MacBook yet, but I do
>>> like its keyboard and can see myself using it several hours at a
>>> stretch.
>>> 
>>> Wayne
>>> 
 On 9/22/15, Sherrie  wrote:
 I think if I had to take notes I would record the meeting and then
 transcribe it later at home.  I have List Recorder and like it.
 Just a thought.
 Sherrie
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone
 Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 4:02 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
 
 This is my point, a regular usb keyboard, and it is still on about the
 most
 
 efficient way to type freely as secretary at a meeting.
 - Original Message -
 From: "Neal Ewers" 
 To: 
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 10:48 PM
 Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
 
 
 What about a regular 101 key USB keyboard? Sorry, Now I have likely made
 this off topic.
 
 Neal
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Rose Combs
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:22 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
 
 I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they
 asked if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a
 wireless keyboard.  However, if I were to carry it around with me not an
 option and I am constantly hitting the touch pad on a
 Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how far the
 keyboard
 
 is back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the
 palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had,
 very old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't
 seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control
 panel, maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.
 
 I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn
 the
 Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last
 spring when I bought the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get
 me
 wrong, however, in the past nearly 40 years I have typed
 8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a couple of times a week or
 less.
 
 I once was very fast but now am not, especially on
 tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to this instead
 of
 
 other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus
 minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring,
 transitioning
 to a new company not by my choice, then ill, was
 terminated and am now retired earlier than I wished to be.
 
 Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at
 roseco...@q.com
 
 I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little
 keys
 are going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for
 years, loved it but, probably will need something I can use where others
 can
 
 see what is happening is the reason I was asked about a
 laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only and bought just at the end of
 its
 
 cycle in early September 2013 as a present after I
 taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He
 bought
 
 me a mini after that and just before new announcements
 were made.  First gen so 

Re: Problem with envoking Siri using the home button

[Alex Hall]

It's a feature, or it's supposed to be. Siri now vibrates when it's activated 
instead of playing a tone; VoiceOver running somehow makes the tone play and 
ditches the vibration. It should be tied to the mute switch, at least I think 
so, but that's just me.
> On Sep 22, 2015, at 14:59, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> On my wife's iPhone 6 the SIRI tone is also gone, as soon as I turn on 
> Voiceover it works. Finally a bug people have who don't run Voiceover, it's 
> usually the other way around.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jenifer Barr
> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 9:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Problem with envoking Siri using the home button
> 
> I get a tone... but not all the time. 
> 
> Jenifer Barr
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 11:46 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
>> 
>> I think it is an ios9 bug - my sighted partner gets no tone now on her 
>> iPhone 6 Plus when invoking Siri. Harry
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 22 Sep 2015, at 16:44, Wendy Alling  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have a sighted friend who just updated to Ios9 using an iPhone 6 plus.
>>> She cannot use the home button when trying to talk to Siri.  She does not
>>> hear the tone when holding down the home button but she says that visually
>>> she sees how can I help you on the screen.  She came over this morning and I
>>> tried using the phone with voice over and the home button works just fine
>>> and I get the tone after holding in the button.  I did recalibrate her home
>>> button hoping this would work but it did not.  Any thoughts on how she can
>>> get her home button to work properly again?  Could this be a bug in Ios 9?
>>> Wendy
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Re: Dictation, Facebook, and unwanted chatter from voiceover while dictating

[Steve]

Yes, same thing I have on Facebook.  
- Original Message - 
From: Mary Otten 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 9:32 PM
Subject: Dictation, Facebook, and unwanted chatter from voiceover while 
dictating


A couple of days ago, when I upgraded my for S, I noted that I had a problem 
when trying to dictate a comment on Facebook, which was that voiceover started 
talking while I was still dictating. That resulted in trouble concentrating for 
me and a garbled mess for my comment. I rebooted the phone and then dictated an 
email message, which went fine. So I thought the problem was solved, or was 
perhaps something to do with my for S being slow.
I have been using this 5S to dictate several email messages. I just tried doing 
a Facebook comment, and, lo and behold, I got the unwanted intrusion a 
voiceover dictating before I was through. Has anyone else noticed this problem 
when dictating into something other than a mail message, where you hear back 
what you were saying before you have double tapped to indicate you're done? Is 
this a bug or is it just me?
I was using the Siri female voice when this latest intrusion happened. Now I'm 
using Alex. I suppose I should try and email using the Siri female voice to 
make sure that it isn't Alex that is doing a good job, and the bug that is 
appearing elsewhere.
Mary

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Re: My husbands for S

[Chris Smart]

yep, same here. hunt for that button.
At 09:16 PM 9/18/2015, you wrote:
Hi,
I had to feel around the screen to find the install button -
flicking
didn't find it for me.
Cheers,
Ben.
On 9/19/15, leliastr...@gmail.com 
wrote:
> All, my husband has an iPhone for S, with the latest 8.4 update.
When he
> goes to update to I OS 9, it is already downloaded, but he cannot
install
> it, I wonder if anyone else has had this problem and what you did
about it.
> Thank you in advance so basically he is not able to update to I OS 9
because
> there is not an install button, it is already downloaded but there
is no
> install. Thank you
>
> Lelia
>
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RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Rose Combs]

Wishful thinking, all I see are cordless which is great but long, not able to 
put in case, and most Bluetooth keyboards I have seen are scrunched with small 
keys, impossible to type on for long.  The keyboard that came with my iPad 
which my husband thoughtfully bought was horrible, he eventually took that one 
but again, I think it got misplaced when they moved him from regular room to 
ICU in 2014 because it never came home, along with a phone charger and a 
netbook charger.  When I called no one had a clue, not that I would use that 
particular keyboard if I found it.  Typing in passwords were a challenge and 
typing anything longer than a password drove me crazy because keys were off 
where they should have been.  


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 1:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

Ps:  you can get small footprint usb keyboards too, with quality mechanisms 
like the original IBM and Mackintosh keyboards of old.
Cherry and Matias still do them.
- Original Message - 
From: "Neal Ewers" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 10:48 PM
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?


What about a regular 101 key USB keyboard? Sorry, Now I have likely made this 
off topic.

Neal


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they asked 
if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a 
wireless keyboard.  However, if I were to carry it around with me not an option 
and I am constantly hitting the touch pad on a 
Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how far the keyboard is 
back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the 
palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had, very 
old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't 
seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control panel, 
maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.

I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last 
spring when I bought the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me 
wrong, however, in the past nearly 40 years I have typed 
8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a couple of times a week or less.  I 
once was very fast but now am not, especially on 
tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to this instead of 
other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus 
minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning to a 
new company not by my choice, then ill, was 
terminated and am now retired earlier than I wished to be.

Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at 
roseco...@q.com

I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys are 
going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for 
years, loved it but, probably will need something I can use where others can 
see what is happening is the reason I was asked about a 
laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only and bought just at the end of its 
cycle in early September 2013 as a present after I 
taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He bought me 
a mini after that and just before new announcements 
were made.  First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere and 
his was donated to a friend who spent months on a 
ventilator unable to talk but very much mentally with it.  I helped set it up 
so it could talk for him after my husband passed a 
year ago in the spring.
So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via Bluetooth, 
if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to 
carry.
My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, and 
if I could get it to connect to my home network so I 
could load it easier it would be my choice.

I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 
card these days.  Never truly worked well in that regard 
anyway.  However, makes it useless as an e-mail client also and probably would 
not open the documents I will be sent.
Long story as to why I did not upgrade it, let's just say HW and I are no 
longer friendly.

Rose Combs
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:06 AM
To: 

RE: iCloud backup

[Chris Smart]

Follow-up question:
If one just backs up to the cloud regularly, not backing up using iTunes,
and needs to restore the phone at some future time, will they have to
manually download each app again from the App Store, then restore from
the last iCloud back up? Or, is iCloud smart enough to also get the App
store to redownload all apps?
Chris
 
At 06:00 PM 9/18/2015, you wrote:
It does not back up apps, it
will back up your data such as contacts. For a true backup use iTunes and
backup the phone that way. That will backup all your apps and data.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com
[
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Sweeney
Sent: September 18, 2015 17:35
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iCloud backup
 
Hi,
Does the iCloud backup backup the entire phone including all of its apps
and data or does it just back up the OS and basic data like contacts…
tthe checked items in iCloud in settings?
Thx –Steve
 
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RE: Question about passcode and answering phone calls

[Rose Combs]

Voiceover is vague, I can’t figure out what it wants me to do when it hangs, 
despite everyone telling me, it never ever works.  Tried many times over the 
past year and again with IOS9 same results, regardless, makes me want to toss 
the phone but I would never do that.  Lucky for me its few falls have not hurt 
it, once of a hospital tray table when nurse moved the table without looking to 
see if anything was plugged in on it.  

Might work for someone else, but then their fingerprint  would not help me.  

 

 

Rose Combs

  roseco...@q.com

A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
christopher hallsworth
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:35 PM
To: Viphone
Subject: Re: Question about passcode and answering phone calls

 

You know, to me, setting up Touch Id was awesome even from someone who has 
never used it before despite having an iPhone since 2011. So if I can do it, 
chances are you can too. It's just a matter of doing what VoiceOver tells you 
to do.

On 22 Sep 2015, at 00:18, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

 

Hi Rose,

 

It really is a simple process, I will explain it one more time and if you 
follow these steps it should work just fine.

 

1.   After you start the process of adding a fingerprint, place the finger 
you want to use on the hone button. You will feel a very small and short 
vibration each time a successful reading is taken.

2.   After the vibration, lift the finger and put it down again in a 
slightly different position, repeat after each vibration trying to cover most 
of the area between your finger tip and the first joint of your finger or thumb.

3.   At some point you get that message about adjusting your grip and to 
capture the edges of your finger. If you simply swipe left or right around the 
screen you will find a “Continue” bvutton. Double tap it and then again place 
your finger on the home button and as requested do it more towards the edges of 
your finger.

4.   After another set of readings you will get the message that Touch Id 
is now ready.

 

Make sure when you put your finger on the home button to put it straight down, 
don’t put it down and then move or slide it around because maybe you only have 
half of it on the button, just lift it and continue, it will take as many 
readings as it needs to make sure it has a good image.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard 

 

From:   viphone@googlegroups.com [ 
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 3:55 PM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about passcode and answering phone calls

 

I have never, ever gotten past the trip message regardless of what I have tried 
in more than 25 times of trying this.  For me, it just isn’t going to happen as 
nothing works and I eventually end up canceling out.  I am not normally 
terribly patient but I’d think trying to do this for more than 20 minutes at a 
time would be enough.  

 

 

 

Rose Combs

  roseco...@q.com

A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!

 

From:   viphone@googlegroups.com [ 
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 2:29 PM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about passcode and answering phone calls

 

Hi Rose, the prompt you are getting is to adjust your grip. Just double-tap the 
Continue button, move the phone about slightly, and then you can finish the 
process. You'll know it's over when the phone says "Touch IS is ready".

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

  http://Mosen.org

 

On 22/09/2015, at 8:21 AM, Rose Combs <  
roseco...@q.com> wrote:

 

Fingerprint for me has never been a go, have tried it multiple times and I mean 
like about 20 or so in the past year and not once does it work despite 
instructions, I get to a point where it says it shows a picture and I am 
supposed to grab something, never figure out what and so I don't get it to 
happen, and I am alone with no eyes to help, if I ask a family member they just 
tell me if I can't get it to work I don't need it.  See family about once a 
month if that.  
So if it does not work, it won't and for me, the only person I know that it 
does not work for, it won't work.  Just tried again with 9 update, same 
results, absolutely none.  
I probably typed them off with more than 39 years of doing transcription, don't 
laugh, my mother applied for a job once at a school and they could not get 
fingerprint on her she went back four different 

RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Rose Combs]

Yes, but it does not fit into a laptop case, or at least none in mine.  


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 1:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

This is my point, a regular usb keyboard, and it is still on about the most 
efficient way to type freely as secretary at a meeting.
- Original Message - 
From: "Neal Ewers" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 10:48 PM
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?


What about a regular 101 key USB keyboard? Sorry, Now I have likely made this 
off topic.

Neal


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they asked 
if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a 
wireless keyboard.  However, if I were to carry it around with me not an option 
and I am constantly hitting the touch pad on a 
Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how far the keyboard is 
back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the 
palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had, very 
old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't 
seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control panel, 
maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.

I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last 
spring when I bought the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me 
wrong, however, in the past nearly 40 years I have typed 
8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a couple of times a week or less.  I 
once was very fast but now am not, especially on 
tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to this instead of 
other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus 
minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning to a 
new company not by my choice, then ill, was 
terminated and am now retired earlier than I wished to be.

Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at 
roseco...@q.com

I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys are 
going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for 
years, loved it but, probably will need something I can use where others can 
see what is happening is the reason I was asked about a 
laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only and bought just at the end of its 
cycle in early September 2013 as a present after I 
taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He bought me 
a mini after that and just before new announcements 
were made.  First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere and 
his was donated to a friend who spent months on a 
ventilator unable to talk but very much mentally with it.  I helped set it up 
so it could talk for him after my husband passed a 
year ago in the spring.
So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via Bluetooth, 
if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to 
carry.
My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, and 
if I could get it to connect to my home network so I 
could load it easier it would be my choice.

I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 
card these days.  Never truly worked well in that regard 
anyway.  However, makes it useless as an e-mail client also and probably would 
not open the documents I will be sent.
Long story as to why I did not upgrade it, let's just say HW and I are no 
longer friendly.

Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming meeting. 
I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with 
complete confidence and competence. However, that laptop is long since gone and 
buried.
At this point, my choices are to use my eye pad with a Bluetooth keyboard and 
pray that I don't get bit by the Bluetooth bug in iOS 
9, choosing among apps such as voice dream writer or the new notes app. Or I 
could borrow my husbands 11 inch MacBook air, with 
which I am not that familiar, and use something like text at it. Neither 
prospect is exciting. I'm looking for something 

RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Rose Combs]

I have my husband's netbook, however, much of it is not working right now, and 
when he passed the hospital forgot battery charger.  Have had a time trying to 
find new one for that particular computer as I bought it for him in 2009, so 
far no real luck, bought one that did not fit.  


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 12:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

Blessedly, you can use bluetooth or usb keyboards on netbooks.  The last one I 
had, I always plugged a usb keyboard into it as I 
hate netbook keyboards from the start. Not such a portable option, but one good 
bag can manage it, used to carry more than that to 
Uni some years ago.

I'm sure I saw an option to run a usb keyboard on a Windows tablet, though 
didn't get to try it.

BobH.
- Original Message - 
From: "Rose Combs" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?


I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they asked 
if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a 
wireless keyboard.  However, if I were to carry it around with me not an option 
and I am constantly hitting the touch pad on a 
Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how far the keyboard is 
back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the 
palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had, very 
old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't 
seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control panel, 
maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.

I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last 
spring when I bought the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me 
wrong, however, in the past nearly 40 years I have typed 
8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a couple of times a week or less.  I 
once was very fast but now am not, especially on 
tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to this instead of 
other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus 
minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning to a 
new company not by my choice, then ill, was 
terminated and am now retired earlier than I wished to be.

Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at
roseco...@q.com

I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys are 
going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for 
years, loved it but, probably will need something I can use where others can 
see what is happening is the reason I was asked about a 
laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only and bought just at the end of its 
cycle in early September 2013 as a present after I 
taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He bought me 
a mini after that and just before new announcements 
were made.  First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere and 
his was donated to a friend who spent months on a 
ventilator unable to talk but very much mentally with it.  I helped set it up 
so it could talk for him after my husband passed a 
year ago in the spring.
So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via Bluetooth, 
if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to 
carry.
My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, and 
if I could get it to connect to my home network so I 
could load it easier it would be my choice.

I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 
card these days.  Never truly worked well in that regard 
anyway.  However, makes it useless as an e-mail client also and probably would 
not open the documents I will be sent.
Long story as to why I did not upgrade it, let's just say HW and I are no 
longer friendly.

Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming meeting. 
I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with 
complete confidence and competence. However, that laptop is long since gone and 
buried.
At this point, my choices are to use my eye pad with a Bluetooth keyboard and 
pray that I don't get bit by the Bluetooth bug in iOS 
9, choosing among apps such as voice dream writer or the new notes app. Or I 
could borrow my husbands 11 inch MacBook air, with 

RE: GMA+CMDA VS. GMA?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Keith,

I just clicked on the link again to make sure it works and it seems that it 
does. Once the site loads, just find the edit field with the quick navigation 
key "e" for "edit", it will say "Enter Mac, iPod, iPhone or iPad Identifier:".
You can put in your entire serial number, but as Bensafid you could just use 
the last 3 or 4 characters and it should still pull up the result as to which 
model you have.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 6:37 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: RE: GMA+CMDA VS. GMA?

Thanks for this. Maybe I'm just tired after a long day, but I'm not sure how to 
use this page. Where do I put in the Serial Number of my phone?

Thanks. Keith

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ben Mustill-Rose
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 9:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: GMA+CMDA VS. GMA?

Hi,

In case anyone else is struggling with this, entering the last 3 or 4 
characters of your phones serial number on this 
http://www.everymac.com/ultimate-mac-lookup/ page should give you all the 
information you need.
The serial number can be found in settings > general > about.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 9/21/15, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> I assume you got the message I sent you privately, just get back to me 
> directly if you want help with this.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Jenifer Barr
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 6:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: GMA+CMDA VS. GMA?
>
> Ok, thanks Sieghard. I will try and do that before apple pulls 8.4.1.
>
> Jenifer Barr
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jennifer,
>>
>> It's GSM not GMA, if you are with AT your phone will be a GSM only 
>> phone, I believe in the States only Verizon and Sprint have the 
>> GSM/CDMA model. It would, however, still be a good idea to be sure 
>> and ask somebody to tell  you the number on the back of your phone, 
>> that model number will most likely be A1533 and it is not available 
>> anywhere in Settings > About.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Jenifer Barr
>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:55 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: GMA+CMDA VS. GMA?
>>
>> Thanks Chris.  You're right I forgot to post the link.  Sorry.
>> http://www.iphonehacks.com/download-iphone-ios-firmware
>> I was trying to figure out which firmware to install.  There are two 
>> versions for the 5s, one for GMA+CDMA phones, and one for just GMA.
>> Sorry about that.
>> Jen
>>
>>> On 9/21/15, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>>> I'm not sure what you're referring to, and I don't see a link in 
>>> your message, but if you're on AT then you don't use CDMA. You use 
>>> GSM as described in this article 
>>> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407896,00.asp
>>>
 On 09/21/2015 06:03 AM, Jenifer Barr wrote:
 Hi all.
 My model number doesn't match any of the numbers in the link 
 Siegheard provided... and I don't have eyes to read the back of the 
 phone.  I went in to settings/general/about, and found that model 
 number.  So, since I can't find the matching one... how would I 
 know if my phone uses CDMA+GMA or just GMA?  I use At in the us.
 Thanks if anyone can help.
 Jen
>>>
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RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Rose Combs]

Is there an accessible player that one could load that would allow the use of a 
foot pedal for start/stop.  Had one about 10 years ago, unable to find after 
husband passed last year and everybody seemed to decide that I did not need or 
did need said products.  That program was in his desk so it was probably tossed 
or sold without asking me.  Thought the program was on old laptop but it isn't. 
 I won't record if I have to keep reaching over with a hand to stop and start 
the machine, more than 39 years of having the ability to control without taking 
hands off the keyboard is too ingrained, only time I will do that is if it is a 
phone number or something about that same length.  
I know, I am a curmudgeon on some issues, but I won't waste my time being 
frustrated trying to do something that I should be able to do in a timely 
fashion.  
I have two foot pedals just not the software to do what I would need.  Cost 
should be moderate since it would be for my personal use, not a company.  Even 
my old cassette machine seems to be lost or has been removed.  Not that I 
currently have a tape player that would record.  
Frustrated, because a few years ago this would have been a piece of cake, no 
anticipated problems then.  


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sherrie
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 5:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I think if I had to take notes I would record the meeting and then 
transcribe it later at home.  I have List Recorder and like it.
Just a thought.
Sherrie


-Original Message- 
From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 4:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

This is my point, a regular usb keyboard, and it is still on about the most 
efficient way to type freely as secretary at a meeting.
- Original Message - 
From: "Neal Ewers" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 10:48 PM
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?


What about a regular 101 key USB keyboard? Sorry, Now I have likely made 
this off topic.

Neal


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they 
asked if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a
wireless keyboard.  However, if I were to carry it around with me not an 
option and I am constantly hitting the touch pad on a
Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how far the keyboard 
is back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the
palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had, 
very old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't
seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control 
panel, maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.

I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last
spring when I bought the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me 
wrong, however, in the past nearly 40 years I have typed
8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a couple of times a week or less. 
I once was very fast but now am not, especially on
tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to this instead of 
other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus
minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning 
to a new company not by my choice, then ill, was
terminated and am now retired earlier than I wished to be.

Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at 
roseco...@q.com

I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys 
are going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for
years, loved it but, probably will need something I can use where others can 
see what is happening is the reason I was asked about a
laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only and bought just at the end of its 
cycle in early September 2013 as a present after I
taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He bought 
me a mini after that and just before new announcements
were made.  First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere 
and his was donated to a friend who spent months on a
ventilator unable to talk but very much mentally with it.  I helped set it 
up so it could talk for him after my husband passed a
year ago in the spring.
So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via 
Bluetooth, if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to
carry.

Re: latest update of Trivia Crack?

[MamaPeach]

I had heard that VoiceOver wouldn't read hardley anything.

-Original Message- 
From: 'SammieDogsMom' via VIPhone

Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 11:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: latest update of Trivia Crack?


Hi! I have an iPhone-6plus, and ever since I updated to IOS- 9 Trivia Crack 
has been working great. I just tested the update, and it did not crash at 
all. It is fun to play this game once again.


Liz Ulrich and Leader Dog Sammie


Westwood Church of God Prayer Chain Coordinator

http://www.facebook.com/elizabeth.ulrich.1
Sent from my very intelligent ParrotHead of an IPhone


On Sep 22, 2015, at 10:09 AM, Dacia Cole  wrote:

Hi,

Trivia crack claims that there latest update has fixed the crashing
issues in VO.  Is that true and is it worth updating?  I'm running IOS
9.0 on my Iphone 6.

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Re: Phone update

[christopher hallsworth]

It might be in the extras folder.
> On 22 Sep 2015, at 09:49, simon wong  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, so far I'm having no trouble since updating the phone, but I 
> would like to know, when do you find this find my  phone option?
> 
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Re: Two small features in iOS 9 that I really I'm going to love

[christopher hallsworth]

Ditto. I can't wait to tell my friend about it and even show her. One of the 
things we could never manage was the pinch gesture, especially me due to my 
limited coordination. So the text selection is a big plus for me and hope it 
will be for my friend.
> On 22 Sep 2015, at 05:53, Kathy Metters  wrote:
> 
> I absolutely love the text selection feature in iOS nine it's one of the best 
> improvement regarding voiceover so far for me.
> 
> Katie Lady Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Gmail  wrote:
>> 
>> In earlier versions of iOS, before nine, though, I don't think you can 
>> select text outside of an edit field. Correct me if this is wrong.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 11:02 PM, Feliciano Godoy  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Exactly what I do. Or simply select the text then copy it to the clipboard. 
>>> That new feature may be more convenient for others though.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Feliciano
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 On Sep 20, 2015, at 5:08 PM, Brent Harding  wrote:
 
 In 8, when I have to copy garbage strings, I have VO speak it and then the 
 3 finger quad tap, but you often get extra junk with it as well that you 
 don't want in there because it literally copies what VO spoke.
 
 - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
 To: 
 Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 6:49 PM
 Subject: Two small features in iOS 9 that I really I'm going to love
 
 
 Have you ever had to copy out one of those long garbage letter number 
 passwords and paste it somewhere else? That alone is going to make the 
 text selection feature of iOS 9 a huge timesaver for me. Plus, when I have 
 to reenter my email address or password, as is so common, presto, copy 
 text. Paste done.
 The other one I'm going to love is that little back button up in the top 
 left of the status line. If you get emails with links, which you follow 
 and read the article, then want to go back to mail, how cool is it that 
 you can just tap that little button and not have to open the app switcher, 
 find the mail app, and return. It's a little thing, but I love it.
 Mary
 
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Re: Question about passcode and answering phone calls

[christopher hallsworth]

You know, to me, setting up Touch Id was awesome even from someone who has 
never used it before despite having an iPhone since 2011. So if I can do it, 
chances are you can too. It's just a matter of doing what VoiceOver tells you 
to do.
> On 22 Sep 2015, at 00:18, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rose,
>  
> It really is a simple process, I will explain it one more time and if you 
> follow these steps it should work just fine.
>  
> 1.   After you start the process of adding a fingerprint, place the 
> finger you want to use on the hone button. You will feel a very small and 
> short vibration each time a successful reading is taken.
> 2.   After the vibration, lift the finger and put it down again in a 
> slightly different position, repeat after each vibration trying to cover most 
> of the area between your finger tip and the first joint of your finger or 
> thumb.
> 3.   At some point you get that message about adjusting your grip and to 
> capture the edges of your finger. If you simply swipe left or right around 
> the screen you will find a “Continue” bvutton. Double tap it and then again 
> place your finger on the home button and as requested do it more towards the 
> edges of your finger.
> 4.   After another set of readings you will get the message that Touch Id 
> is now ready.
>  
> Make sure when you put your finger on the home button to put it straight 
> down, don’t put it down and then move or slide it around because maybe you 
> only have half of it on the button, just lift it and continue, it will take 
> as many readings as it needs to make sure it has a good image.
>  
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard 
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> Of Rose Combs
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 3:55 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: Question about passcode and answering phone calls
>  
> I have never, ever gotten past the trip message regardless of what I have 
> tried in more than 25 times of trying this.  For me, it just isn’t going to 
> happen as nothing works and I eventually end up canceling out.  I am not 
> normally terribly patient but I’d think trying to do this for more than 20 
> minutes at a time would be enough.  
>  
>  
>  
> Rose Combs
> roseco...@q.com 
> A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
> memory!
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> Of Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 2:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Question about passcode and answering phone calls
>  
> Hi Rose, the prompt you are getting is to adjust your grip. Just double-tap 
> the Continue button, move the phone about slightly, and then you can finish 
> the process. You'll know it's over when the phone says "Touch IS is ready".
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
>  
>> On 22/09/2015, at 8:21 AM, Rose Combs > > wrote:
>>  
>> Fingerprint for me has never been a go, have tried it multiple times and I 
>> mean like about 20 or so in the past year and not once does it work despite 
>> instructions, I get to a point where it says it shows a picture and I am 
>> supposed to grab something, never figure out what and so I don't get it to 
>> happen, and I am alone with no eyes to help, if I ask a family member they 
>> just tell me if I can't get it to work I don't need it.  See family about 
>> once a month if that.  
>> So if it does not work, it won't and for me, the only person I know that it 
>> does not work for, it won't work.  Just tried again with 9 update, same 
>> results, absolutely none.  
>> I probably typed them off with more than 39 years of doing transcription, 
>> don't laugh, my mother applied for a job once at a school and they could not 
>> get fingerprint on her she went back four different times before they 
>> finally got some.  So I suppose the same could be true for me since my 
>> cousin says I inherited her fingernails.  
>> For those who have poo-hooed me in the past, don't bother, I  already know 
>> you think my theory is not possible, don't need to hear it again.  
>> 
>> For me, fingerprint is not happening and I surmise never will.  
>> 
>> Rose Combs
>> roseco...@q.com 
>> A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
>> memory!
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On 
>> Behalf Of dacia.l...@gmail.com 

Re: using Braille display with IOS 9.0

[Andrew Lamanche]

I have just discovered the same thing and I thought it was my fault because I 
am very new to using Braille display with iOS devices.  But similar to you, 
yesterday I spent half an hour trying to send an e-mail from my ipad and I too 
got stuck in the "to:" field and I could not get out of it and if I did by I 
don't know what means, whatever I had written into the text field disappeared.  
Nor did I get any feedback from Voiceover on what I was typing.  Should I 
report it to accessibility?

Thanks

Andrew
> On 22 Sep 2015, at 02:03, Rebecca Ilniski  wrote:
> 
> Hi all.  When I use my Apex or other Braille displays that I have worked with 
> on my IPhone with IoS 9.0 after typing in an edit field whether I'm in the 
> messages or mail app I can not use dot four chord or move to each field any 
> other way.  It seems that Braille is broken in this version of IOS.  It 
> doesn't matter whether I have the quick nav on or off and I've tried 
> resetting the phone as well as my apex.  Is anyone else having an issue using 
> a braille display with IOS 9 and if so is there a way around it?
> 
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Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[christopher hallsworth]

Probably because you can actually use the touchpad or trackpad in Apple 
terminology to interact with the Mac using VoiceOver with gestures familiar to 
those on iOS with a few exclusive ones.
> On 22 Sep 2015, at 03:22, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Well someone on another list just told me that you cannot turn off the 
> touchpad on a MacBook. That is disgusting.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 6:39 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Rose,
>> Try Function F5.  That is how both my Work Del and my home Toshiba now turn 
>> off the touch pad.
>> I find I often have to turn it off again after rebooting, but at least I can 
>> turn it off.
>> 
>> I hope that works.  I hate touchpads.
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Rose Combs
>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 2:22 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
>> 
>> I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they 
>> asked if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a wireless keyboard.  
>> However, if I were to carry it around with me not an option and I am 
>> constantly hitting the touch pad on a Lenovo laptop and sending it to who 
>> knows where, I hate how far the keyboard is back, makes me lean forward and 
>> I keep resting the palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba 
>> my husband had, very old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't 
>> seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control 
>> panel, maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.  
>> 
>> I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
>> Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last spring when I bought 
>> the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me wrong, however, in the 
>> past nearly 40 years I have typed 8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe 
>> a couple of times a week or less.  I once was very fast but now am not, 
>> especially on tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to 
>> this instead of other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus 
>> minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning 
>> to a new company not by my choice, then ill, was terminated and am now 
>> retired earlier than I wished to be.  
>> 
>> Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at 
>> roseco...@q.com 
>> 
>> I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys 
>> are going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for years, loved it but, 
>> probably will need something I can use where others can see what is 
>> happening is the reason I was asked about a laptop or I device.  My iPad is 
>> wifi only and bought just at the end of its cycle in early September 2013 as 
>> a present after I taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him 
>> not me.  He bought me a mini after that and just before new announcements 
>> were made.  First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere 
>> and his was donated to a friend who spent months on a ventilator unable to 
>> talk but very much mentally with it.  I helped set it up so it could talk 
>> for him after my husband passed a year ago in the spring.  
>> So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via 
>> Bluetooth, if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to carry.  
>> My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, 
>> and if I could get it to connect to my home network so I could load it 
>> easier it would be my choice.  
>> 
>> I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 
>> card these days.  Never truly worked well in that regard anyway.  However, 
>> makes it useless as an e-mail client also and probably would not open the 
>> documents I will be sent.  
>> Long story as to why I did not upgrade it, let's just say HW and I are no 
>> longer friendly.  
>> 
>> Rose Combs
>> roseco...@q.com
>> A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
>> memory!
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:06 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
>> 
>> I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming 
>> meeting. I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with complete 
>> confidence and competence. However, that laptop is long since gone and 
>> buried.
>> At this point, my choices are to use my eye pad with a Bluetooth keyboard 
>> and pray that I don't get bit by the Bluetooth bug in iOS 9, choosing among 
>> apps such as voice dream writer or the new notes 

Re: Cooking with terabytes

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Intrigued by this giving femininity to the geek concept,  but several have 
already said,  presumption of what is meant is more 
irritating than just saying it as it is.
Pronounce actual words, that is what TTs is for, but acronyms are an obvious 
minefield  since they differ so widely between 
contexts.
We, the reader, knows our context, the TTS doesn't.

Ah yes, totally agree to the idea of turning off that expansion, I'd add it to 
spellcheck and word prediction as things I switch off 
from the word Go!

BobH.
- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 1:55 AM
Subject: Re: Cooking with terabytes


I assume this is a joke, but being a geek myself, I feel obligated to
stand up for geeks everywhere. First, I don't think it's an easy task to
come up with an algorithm that's going to know how to pronounce an
abbreviation correctly in every context. I don't think it's a case of a
geek with delusions of godhood, but rather a smart guy trying to do the
best he or she can do to make as many people as happy as possible while
taking up as few of your iPhone's resources as she can.

Second, I think an option in the iPhone where you can turn off
abbreviation expansion or providing a pronunciation dictionary would be
a good feature allowing people to customize things a bit more to their
liking. I know I've fought for the ability in screen readers to turn off
abbreviation expansion so I can hear exactly what's on the screen with
as little interpretation as possible.

On 09/21/2015 01:49 PM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone wrote:
> This is done by geeks that think they're gods, and so know it all.
>
> I guess this proves they're neither.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mary Otten" 
> To: ; 
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:49 PM
> Subject: Cooking with terabytes
>
>
> Good old Alex has discovered a new cooking term. Did you know that when 
> you're making short ribs in the slow cooker, you need to 
> add
> one and a half terabytes of balsamic vinegar? When, when, will the folks who 
> make the speech synthesizers stop trying to guess 
> what
> abbreviations mean and leave it up to us, the human readers with the smarts, 
> to figure it out for ourselves?
> Mary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

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Question about text messaging.

[Matthew Bullis]

Hello, I've not done too much text messaging on the iPhone, despite the fact 
that I've been a user for a few years. I'm confused about a few things still. 
If I go into messages and look through the conversations, it will still say one 
new message, even though the one it's referring to is the message I sent. Also, 
I'll look at a thread and it will give the other person's name, but I'll see my 
message to them in the thread. Is the phone indicating that this is a 
conversation with that person, or is it reporting things incorrectly? Are there 
settings I should change?
Thanks,
Matthew

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RE: Problem with envoking Siri using the home button

[Fazil]

Yes, the home button is not working as reliably as it used to be doing in 
earlier versions.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Wendy Alling
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 8:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Problem with envoking Siri using the home button

Hi all,

I have a sighted friend who just updated to Ios9 using an iPhone 6 plus.
She cannot use the home button when trying to talk to Siri.  She does not hear 
the tone when holding down the home button but she says that visually she sees 
how can I help you on the screen.  She came over this morning and I tried using 
the phone with voice over and the home button works just fine and I get the 
tone after holding in the button.  I did recalibrate her home button hoping 
this would work but it did not.  Any thoughts on how she can get her home 
button to work properly again?  Could this be a bug in Ios 9?
Wendy

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RE: Problem with envoking Siri using the home button

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

What do you mean by recalibrating the Home button? How is this done? Thanks. 
Keith

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Wendy Alling
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 10:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Problem with envoking Siri using the home button

Hi all,

I have a sighted friend who just updated to Ios9 using an iPhone 6 plus.
She cannot use the home button when trying to talk to Siri.  She does not
hear the tone when holding down the home button but she says that visually
she sees how can I help you on the screen.  She came over this morning and I
tried using the phone with voice over and the home button works just fine
and I get the tone after holding in the button.  I did recalibrate her home
button hoping this would work but it did not.  Any thoughts on how she can
get her home button to work properly again?  Could this be a bug in Ios 9?
Wendy

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Re: latest update of Trivia Crack?

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi Dacia. As I said in an email yesterday, the latest version of Trivia Crack 
has broken accessibility somewhat. You no longer see stats like the level your 
opponent is or the current score of the game. All you see is their username. 
I'd wait until they release an update to fix this before updating it.

Shawn
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> On Sep 22, 2015, at 9:09 AM, Dacia Cole  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Trivia crack claims that there latest update has fixed the crashing
> issues in VO.  Is that true and is it worth updating?  I'm running IOS
> 9.0 on my Iphone 6.
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Re: paying for extra iCloud storage

[christopher hallsworth]

You pay monthly and can be changed or cancelled at any time.
> On 22 Sep 2015, at 18:53, Christina C.  wrote:
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> 
> Does apple charge you for the entire year of storage at once or do you pay 
> monthly? Can you change your storage options on a monthly basis or do you 
> subscribe for the entire year?
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RE: Downcast Update

[Chris Smart]

Hi Mark.
I had thought the problem was partially resolved but nope, I'm still
seeing music start playing when I try starting and stopping playback in
Downcast. For the record, I do not have the music app open when this
occurs. I'll try opening it as well, as you suggest below, to see if that
changes the behavior.
For reporting this to Apple, is this something that affects everyone, or
just Voiceover users? i.e. is two-finger double tap just a Voiceover
gesture?
Chris
At 02:31 PM 9/18/2015, you wrote:
Hello Chris,
I just updated to the latest version of Downcast, released today, and
cannot reproduce the problem you describe.  That is to say, a
two-finger, double-tap, does, indeed, stop and start playback of the
current podcast episode, as it has always done.
As for the random incidence of music being played as the result of the
two-finger, double-tap gesture intended for a third-party app such as
Downcast or BARD Mobile, I suggest the following:
1.
Close the third-party app,
2.
Assuming that the native Music app is not running, launch it.
3.
Now launch the third-party app, such as Downcast.
4.
Start playback of a third-party media file such as a podcast episode
using the play-/pause button.  
5.
Now, stop and start playback using the two-finger, double-tap
gesture.  
Finally, As I have encountered the non-intentional music playback problem
from within several third-party apps I would argue that this problem is
one that exists at the OS level and is not app-specific.  I do not
remember encountering this problem in iOS 7 or earlier.
Mark
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I noticed an update to Downcast this morning. It appears that although a
two-finger double tap no longer starts music playing or other odd
behavior, now it does nothing.  So, it's better, but I do hope this
gesture returns for starting and stopping playback.
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Sending texts using the Iphone 5 using a bluetooth keyboard.

[Terri Elliott]

This is really weird.  When I try to text via email or via text the 
blue toothe keyboards won't let me type a text.  All I get is a drumb 
noise so I can't type in a text.  It works just fine on my Iphone 4 s 
but not with the 5 s.  Both devices are updated to ios9.  Any ideas or 
suggestions?  Powering off the phone and turning it back on did not 
seem to solve the problem.  This did not start doing this until today.  Thanks.


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Re: Problem with envoking Siri using the home button

[Jenifer Barr]

I get a tone... but not all the time. 

Jenifer Barr
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2015, at 11:46 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
> 
> I think it is an ios9 bug - my sighted partner gets no tone now on her iPhone 
> 6 Plus when invoking Siri. Harry
> 
> 
> 
>> On 22 Sep 2015, at 16:44, Wendy Alling  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have a sighted friend who just updated to Ios9 using an iPhone 6 plus.
>> She cannot use the home button when trying to talk to Siri.  She does not
>> hear the tone when holding down the home button but she says that visually
>> she sees how can I help you on the screen.  She came over this morning and I
>> tried using the phone with voice over and the home button works just fine
>> and I get the tone after holding in the button.  I did recalibrate her home
>> button hoping this would work but it did not.  Any thoughts on how she can
>> get her home button to work properly again?  Could this be a bug in Ios 9?
>> Wendy
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Re: My apple Bluetooth keyboard works in iOS 9

[Gmail]

I think you have to first tap on the More Info button next to your keyboard's 
name in the list of Bluetooth devices you can connect to.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Sep 22, 2015, at 5:26 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
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> Rose,
>  
> Have you tried re-pairing it.  This means you first have to forget the 
> pairing you already have, by tapping on that option.
>  
> It worked for me when my keyboard wasn't working properly and after upgrading 
> to iOS Version 9.
>  
> Carol P
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Rose Combs
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 6:36 PM
> Subject: RE: My apple Bluetooth keyboard works in iOS 9
> 
> I am unable to get a Logitech or Apple keyboard to connect to my iPhone 6, 
> never have been able to do it for some reason.  Alone, no one to read numbers 
> I may need to enter on the phone, have not found them either.  Frustrating as 
> I will be taking a class soon where having the ability to type would be most 
> helpful. 
> Do not understand at all how to braille on an iPhone screen, never have had 
> any luck with that.  Just truly need real keys. 
>  
>  
> Rose Combs
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> A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
> memory!
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 11:30 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: Rich Ring
> Subject: Re: My apple bluetooth keyboard works in iOS 9
>  
> My Logitech K811 works fine with my iPhone 5S. These bugs are just so strange!
> On Sep 20, 2015, at 1:14 PM, Neal Ewers  wrote:
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> Well, after all the excitement about this, I decided to try this on my backup 
> iPhone. On the iPhone 5, my apple Bluetooth keyboard works fine, It does not 
> even have double letters. I wonder if anyone else is using this same setup 
> and what their experience is. I hesitate to update my iPhone 6, but the 5 
> certainly works in many edit fields I have been working in.
>  
> Neal
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Re: Downcast Update

[Chris Smart]

Hi Brian and Mark.
Following Mark's instructions below seems to have fixed the problem.
Thanks!
Now, if we can get the BBC to add this to their World Service app.
(grin)
Chris
At 02:50 PM 9/18/2015, you wrote:
Hi Chris,
I too just updated to the version that came out today and the two finger
start and stop is working again. I tested it with the app opened on
screen, closed, and on the locked screen and the two finger tap to pause
and resume worked in all areas.
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 2:31 PM, M. Taylor 
wrote:
> 
> Hello Chris,
> 
> I just updated to the latest version of Downcast, released today,
and cannot reproduce the problem you describe.  That is to say, a
two-finger, double-tap, does, indeed, stop and start playback of the
current podcast episode, as it has always done.
> 
> As for the random incidence of music being played as the result of
the two-finger, double-tap gesture intended for a third-party app such as
Downcast or BARD Mobile, I suggest the following:
> 
> 1.
> Close the third-party app,
> 
> 2.
> Assuming that the native Music app is not running, launch it.
> 
> 3.
> Now launch the third-party app, such as Downcast.
> 
> 4.
> Start playback of a third-party media file such as a podcast episode
using the play-/pause button.  
> 
> 5.
> Now, stop and start playback using the two-finger, double-tap
gesture.  
> 
> Finally, As I have encountered the non-intentional music playback
problem from within several third-party apps I would argue that this
problem is one that exists at the OS level and is not app-specific. 
I do not remember encountering this problem in iOS 7 or earlier.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
[
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Smart
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 7:20 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Downcast Update
> 
> I noticed an update to Downcast this morning. It appears that
although a two-finger double tap no longer starts music playing or other
odd behavior, now it does nothing.  So, it's better, but I do hope
this gesture returns for starting and stopping playback.
> 
> Chris
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RE: Siri voice for voice over

[Rose Combs]

Well, I finally got Alex back, not even sure how I did it since it was more or 
less in my sleep at 3 this morning.  


Rose Combs
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kathy Metters
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 9:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri voice for voice over

Something is seriously wrong with the Samantha voice. Sounds like she had a 
very bad operation and it didn't go well. OS9 was not kind to her. Samantha 
sounds like she has an extreme case of laryngitis. She absolutely sounds awful! 
I guess we will have to learn to live with Siri, because living with Samantha 
is absolutely impossible.

Katie Lady Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2015, at 6:24 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> I first upgraded my for S. And I tried both Siri voices and was very unhappy, 
> because of the really long pauses between sentences and lines. But just 
> recently, I bit the bullet and upgraded my 5S, which will soon be replaced 
> with a 6S, whenever T-Mobile gets them in ships one out to me.
> Since my favorite female voice is not available for reading Kindle books on 
> the iPhone, and since they have screwed it up on the android version of 
> Kendall, where you get unnatural pauses between lines with that same voice, 
> Kendra, I tried the Siri female voice. And I think I'm going to really try to 
> live with it. It is certainly better than Samantha. So for those of you who 
> don't care for Samantha, and have something faster than the four ss, give it 
> a try.
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Re: Sending texts using the Iphone 5 using a bluetooth keyboard.

[Alex Hall]

This is an iOS9 bug, but it affects only some devices, as you're seeing. I 
don't know if forgetting the keyboard on your 5S would help? 
> On Sep 22, 2015, at 13:26, Terri Elliott  wrote:
> 
> 
> This is really weird.  When I try to text via email or via text the blue 
> toothe keyboards won't let me type a text.  All I get is a drumb noise so I 
> can't type in a text.  It works just fine on my Iphone 4 s but not with the 5 
> s.  Both devices are updated to ios9.  Any ideas or suggestions?  Powering 
> off the phone and turning it back on did not seem to solve the problem.  This 
> did not start doing this until today.  Thanks.
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Re: "Voice Braille Reader", New Leverage to Use Braille Files on iOS

[Shawn Krasniuk]

I don't see why it couldn't be added. Perhaps you could email Winston and 
suggest it for a future update.

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> On Sep 22, 2015, at 9:03 AM, Russ Kiehne  wrote:
> 
> Perhaps the option of reading brf files can be added to voice dream reader?
> 
> -Original Message- From: John J Jacques
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> Subject: Re: "Voice Braille Reader", New Leverage to Use Braille Files on iOS
> 
> Hi all, will this app read .BRF files downloaded with the BARD app?
> 
> Have a good one:
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downgrading to IOS 8.4.1

[simon wong]

> 
> Where is the file I cannot seem to get the right one.
> 
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paying for extra iCloud storage

[Christina C.]

Hello all,

Does apple charge you for the entire year of storage at once or do you pay 
monthly? Can you change your storage options on a monthly basis or do you 
subscribe for the entire year?

Thanks so much,
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Re: Question about text messaging.

[Christina C.]

I am also able to mark a message as read if I use Siri to send a text message 
to someone I have an unread message from. Somehow, after I use Siri to send 
them a message, their previous text is no longer showing as unread. I am still 
using ioS 8.4 though and I do not know if this is the case for iOS 9.

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RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Rose Combs]

It is a Lenovo, so far we have tried about every key combo we can think of with 
no go.  Typing on it is difficult because of position also.  


Rose Combs
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 6:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

Rose,
Try Function F5.  That is how both my Work Del and my home Toshiba now turn off 
the touch pad.
I find I often have to turn it off again after rebooting, but at least I can 
turn it off.

I hope that works.  I hate touchpads.

Richard


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Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 2:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they asked 
if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a wireless keyboard.  However, 
if I were to carry it around with me not an option and I am constantly hitting 
the touch pad on a Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how 
far the keyboard is back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the palm of 
either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had, very old, I 
could turn that off with function key 9, can't seem to do it on the Lenovo with 
any key, not even through the control panel, maybe it can be done, but so far 
not by me.  

I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last spring when I bought the 
device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me wrong, however, in the past 
nearly 40 years I have typed 8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a 
couple of times a week or less.  I once was very fast but now am not, 
especially on tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to this 
instead of other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus minimally thus 
far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning to a new company 
not by my choice, then ill, was terminated and am now retired earlier than I 
wished to be.  

Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at 
roseco...@q.com 

I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys are 
going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for years, loved it but, 
probably will need something I can use where others can see what is happening 
is the reason I was asked about a laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only and 
bought just at the end of its cycle in early September 2013 as a present after 
I taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He bought 
me a mini after that and just before new announcements were made.  First gen so 
although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere and his was donated to a 
friend who spent months on a ventilator unable to talk but very much mentally 
with it.  I helped set it up so it could talk for him after my husband passed a 
year ago in the spring.  
So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via Bluetooth, 
if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to carry.  
My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, and 
if I could get it to connect to my home network so I could load it easier it 
would be my choice.  

I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 
card these days.  Never truly worked well in that regard anyway.  However, 
makes it useless as an e-mail client also and probably would not open the 
documents I will be sent.  
Long story as to why I did not upgrade it, let's just say HW and I are no 
longer friendly.  

Rose Combs
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming meeting. 
I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with complete confidence and 
competence. However, that laptop is long since gone and buried.
At this point, my choices are to use my eye pad with a Bluetooth keyboard and 
pray that I don't get bit by the Bluetooth bug in iOS 9, choosing among apps 
such as voice dream writer or the new notes app. Or I could borrow my husbands 
11 inch MacBook air, with which I am not that familiar, and use something like 
text at it. Neither prospect is exciting. I'm looking for something that is 
going to be reliable and foolproof. As in me being a fool and screwing up their 

Re: Siri voice for voice over

[Gmail]

Oh, good. I actually prefer Karen over Samantha in compact mode, but only in 
iOS 7. In iOS 8, I prefer the compact version of Samantha over Karen. To my 
ears, at least, Karen sounds different between iOS 7 and 8. In iOS eight, Karen 
seems to have taken over some qualities of her noncompact form, which drives me 
crazy.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Sep 22, 2015, at 5:33 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I have found the compact voice to be unchanged, so I just continue to use 
> that. The full version does sound very odd, but so far, compact is okay.
>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 08:32, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> She doesn't sound too bad on regular use, but when you are editting, she 
>> sounds like she has been drinking and smoking for 40 years and has a sore 
>> throat on top of that.
>> Pretty strange.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 9:18 PM, Kathy Metters  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Something is seriously wrong with the Samantha voice. Sounds like she had a 
>>> very bad operation and it didn't go well. OS9 was not kind to her. Samantha 
>>> sounds like she has an extreme case of laryngitis. She absolutely sounds 
>>> awful! I guess we will have to learn to live with Siri, because living with 
>>> Samantha is absolutely impossible.
>>> 
>>> Katie Lady Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 19, 2015, at 6:24 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 I first upgraded my for S. And I tried both Siri voices and was very 
 unhappy, because of the really long pauses between sentences and lines. 
 But just recently, I bit the bullet and upgraded my 5S, which will soon be 
 replaced with a 6S, whenever T-Mobile gets them in ships one out to me.
 Since my favorite female voice is not available for reading Kindle books 
 on the iPhone, and since they have screwed it up on the android version of 
 Kendall, where you get unnatural pauses between lines with that same 
 voice, Kendra, I tried the Siri female voice. And I think I'm going to 
 really try to live with it. It is certainly better than Samantha. So for 
 those of you who don't care for Samantha, and have something faster than 
 the four ss, give it a try.
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RE: ios 9 accessibility bugs (jonathan)

[Chris Smart]

Thanks for that reminder. (grin) I was being a wee bit sarcastic. I'll
try to dial that back a little.

At 01:08 PM 9/18/2015, you wrote:
Chris,
 
You asked whether groups like this one archive the messages. The answer s
Yes, here is what it says in the footer of every post:
 
The archives for this list can be searched at

http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/.
 
Regards,
Sieghard
 
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Subject: Re: ios 9 accessibility bugs (jonathan)
 
At 06:19 PM 9/17/2015, you wrote:


Hello I would greatly appreciate it if you would send me that list
too thanks


it was posted here a day or two ago. 
Do Google Groups like this one archive posts, which are then searchable
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Re: "Voice Braille Reader", New Leverage to Use Braille Files on iOS

[John J Jacques]

Hi all, I use Voice Dream Reader for all of my Audio book reading
that isn't Bard, and love it!  I have no problem paying for Voice Braille
reader if it will play the .BRF files that I can get from BARD, but I
suppose I will have  to get it to know for sure.  I wish the BARD app
would allow Voice Over to read the braille files that you can download,
but I have heard that they have no intention of adding that feature!

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Trello iOS app has improved VO Accessibility

[Christina C.]

My apologies if this has already been posted. I noticed in the description for 
the last Trello update that they noted voice over accessibility improvements. I 
could not do anything at all on the app before this latest update. I can now 
poke around on the app and so far so good. I haven’t done much on it yet 
because I am very new to Trello. I needed it a few months ago to collaborate 
with someone who was using Trello and it was unusable to me at that time. So, I 
think this is good news and I wanted to pass the info along in case someone 
found it helpful.

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Re: iCloud backup

[Harry Bell]

Thanks, Alex - fingers crossed!

 

> On 22 Sep 2015, at 20:34, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> They should be safe in your iCloud backup, so long as VDR is set to back up, 
> of course.
>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 15:02, Harry Bell  wrote:
>> 
>> Will my books on Voice Dream Reader come back when restoring from iCloud 
>> backup or only from iTunes backup?
>> Thanks
>> Harry
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>> On 22 Sep 2015, at 19:56, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> An iCloud backup will give you everything--apps and all their data, home 
>>> screen layout, settings, all that. The only things it lacks are secure 
>>> items. That is, it won't give you your wifi passwords, logins for apps, and 
>>> so on. It will be unaffected by iCloud Keychain for Safari; what I mean is 
>>> that your Facebook app, for instance, won't come up with you logged in. It 
>>> will instead have you log in when you first open it, because iCloud backups 
>>> don't contain login details like that. I hope this makes sense.
 On Sep 22, 2015, at 14:29, Chris Smart  wrote:
 
 Follow-up question:
 If one just backs up to the cloud regularly, not backing up using iTunes, 
 and needs to restore the phone at some future time, will they have to 
 manually download each app again from the App Store, then restore from the 
 last iCloud back up? Or, is iCloud smart enough to also get the App store 
 to redownload all apps?
 
 Chris
 
  
 At 06:00 PM 9/18/2015, you wrote:
> It does not back up apps, it will back up your data such as contacts. For 
> a true backup use iTunes and backup the phone that way. That will backup 
> all your apps and data.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Steve Sweeney
> Sent: September 18, 2015 17:35
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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>  
> Hi,
> Does the iCloud backup backup the entire phone including all of its apps 
> and data or does it just back up the OS and basic data like contacts… 
> tthe checked items in iCloud in settings?
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Re: Sending texts using the Iphone 5 using a bluetooth keyboard.

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Well, I know I've said this a fair few times now ... but it really worked 
for me.


Try deleting the current pairing you havef with this keyboard on your 5 and 
re-pairing.


Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: "Terri Elliott" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 6:26 PM
Subject: Sending texts using the Iphone 5 using a bluetooth keyboard.




This is really weird.  When I try to text via email or via text the blue 
toothe keyboards won't let me type a text.  All I get is a drumb noise so 
I can't type in a text.  It works just fine on my Iphone 4 s but not with 
the 5 s.  Both devices are updated to ios9.  Any ideas or suggestions? 
Powering off the phone and turning it back on did not seem to solve the 
problem.  This did not start doing this until today.  Thanks.


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Re: The Instagram App.

[Chris Smart]

and it's almost all pictures.
At 04:22 PM 9/22/2015, you wrote:
I don't think that it is very
accessible. Most buttons are not labeled.
On 9/22/15, 'SammieDogsMom' via VIPhone 
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> I am interesting in getting on instagram. I downloaded the Instagram
App,
> and it does not seem accessible with voiceover. I am wondering if
I
> downloaded the wrong thing because I am told that people post on
Instagram
> using voiceover.
>
> Liz Ulrich and Leader Dog Sammie
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Re: iCloud backup

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Another question springs from that one:  Which apps should we check to enable 
iCloud backup?

If in doubt I check mine, but am not always sure which to go for.

I guess the GPS apps that save POIs may be included ... or maybe not ...

Anyway, if anyone uses ones that definitely backup to iCloud, I'd like to know.

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
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  To: 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 8:34 PM
  Subject: Re: iCloud backup


  They should be safe in your iCloud backup, so long as VDR is set to back up, 
of course.

On Sep 22, 2015, at 15:02, Harry Bell  wrote:


Will my books on Voice Dream Reader come back when restoring from iCloud 
backup or only from iTunes backup?
Thanks
Harry

 

On 22 Sep 2015, at 19:56, Alex Hall  wrote:


  An iCloud backup will give you everything--apps and all their data, home 
screen layout, settings, all that. The only things it lacks are secure items. 
That is, it won't give you your wifi passwords, logins for apps, and so on. It 
will be unaffected by iCloud Keychain for Safari; what I mean is that your 
Facebook app, for instance, won't come up with you logged in. It will instead 
have you log in when you first open it, because iCloud backups don't contain 
login details like that. I hope this makes sense.

On Sep 22, 2015, at 14:29, Chris Smart  wrote:


Follow-up question:
If one just backs up to the cloud regularly, not backing up using 
iTunes, and needs to restore the phone at some future time, will they have to 
manually download each app again from the App Store, then restore from the last 
iCloud back up? Or, is iCloud smart enough to also get the App store to 
redownload all apps?

Chris

 
At 06:00 PM 9/18/2015, you wrote:

  It does not back up apps, it will back up your data such as contacts. 
For a true backup use iTunes and backup the phone that way. That will backup 
all your apps and data.
   
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Behalf Of Steve Sweeney
  Sent: September 18, 2015 17:35
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  Subject: iCloud backup
   
  Hi,
  Does the iCloud backup backup the entire phone including all of its 
apps and data or does it just back up the OS and basic data like contacts… tthe 
checked items in iCloud in settings?
  Thx –Steve
   
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Re: downgrading to IOS 8.4.1

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

They show up as zip files on Windows but it's nothing to worry about.
Just point iTunes to the correct one for your device without
extracting it.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 9/22/15, simon wong  wrote:
> All I can find is a zip file but no Ipws.
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>>> Where is the file I cannot seem to get the right one.
>>>
>>> T
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new sleepapp for watch

[Robin Christopherson]

Trea

Thanks for the heads-up. I can’t find it in the UK app store. Do you know if it 
is available or what I should search for?

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RE: "Voice Braille Reader", New Leverage to Use Braille Files on iOS

[Nicki keck]

Now that would be very nice.  I would welcome that.

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Perhaps the option of reading brf files can be added to voice dream reader?

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Subject: Re: "Voice Braille Reader", New Leverage to Use Braille Files on iOS

Hi all, will this app read .BRF files downloaded with the BARD app?

Have a good one:
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Re: Home Button For Turning Voice Over On?

[Christopher Chaltain]

Yes, it does on my iPhone 4S and iPhone 5. I'd assume it would also work 
on other platforms and be the default when first setting up a new phone.


On 09/22/2015 08:00 PM, Fazil wrote:

Hi, list.

Does triple tap on Home-Button still turn VO on/off in IOS9?

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RE: Home Button For Turning Voice Over On?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It does if you go to Accessibility settings and tell it to. If you had it set 
up this way just upgrading should have not changed this, but if it did it’s an 
easy thing to fix.

 

 

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Hi, list.

Does triple tap on Home-Button still turn VO on/off in IOS9?

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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: VoiceOver No Longer Announcing Number of Messages in the Native iOS 9 Mail App

[Wil James]

I don't know, but 9.1 Public Beta 1 can be had now. ' 

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 20, 2015, at 11:10 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
> 
> When will the beta come out? Also... I hope the call bug and the bug where vo 
> crashes after sending email is fixed!!! Sorry beta police!!! Call it 
> updater's remorse!!! lol 
> 
> Jenifer Barr
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 8:53 PM, John Diakogeorgiou  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I can't say because the beta police may come after me.
>> 
>> John Diakogeorgiou
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 8:09 PM, Donna  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What did you do to fix the bug I have restored all settings several 
>>> times & did a hard reboot also. Still have the problem! Not that it's a 
>>> deal breaker for me. 
>>> 
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Sep 20, 2015, at 7:45 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
 
 Yes me too!
 
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 Messages in the Native iOS 9 Mail App
 
 It's fixed for me..
 
 John Diakogeorgiou
 
> On Sep 20, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Donna  wrote:
> 
> No it hasn't been fixed in 9.1! Unless one keeps resetting network 
> settings or resetting all settings. 
> 
> Donna
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 8:11 AM, John Diakogeorgiou  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Here go the apple police again!!! If some one tells you that Apple has 
>> fixed a bug then by not bugging themb we are letting them better utilize 
>> their time. They don't have to waste time looking at problems which they 
>> have already resolved. I'll be muting this now.
>> 
>> John Diakogeorgiou
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 1:01 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I hope you realize that you just violated NDA by saying that.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:36 AM, Wil James  wrote:
 
 There is good news on the horizon. That issue is fixed and I OS 9.1.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 19, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Woody Anna Dresner  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think it's great if people write in about this. FYI, I reported it 
> during the beta cycle and was told it was a duplicate bug report, so 
> they do know about it, but having more people say it's important to 
> get it fixed should help.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:55 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi. I'll definitely do that, as that's an issue that's really 
>> annoying me at the moment. We should write to 
>> 
>> accessibil...@apple.com
>> 
>> Right?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 3:48 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> You may have noticed that in the currently released version of the 
>>> native
>>> iOS 9 Mail app, VoiceOver no longer announces the actual number of 
>>> messages
>>> in a collapsed message thread but, instead, merely says, "Multiple 
>>> messages
>>> in thread."  
>>> 
>>> If, like me, you would like to once again hear the specific number 
>>> of
>>> messages in a collapsed message thread, please join me in 
>>> submitting a
>>> feedback request to Apple.
>>> 
>>> The following is a feedback request I just submitted to Apple.  
>>> Feel free to
>>> use any or all of it in your submissions.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> [Begin Feedback]
>>> 
>>> TITLE:
>>> Request to Have VoiceOver Once Again Announce the Number of 
>>> Messages in a
>>> collapsed Email Message Thread
>>> 
>>> DESCRIPTION:
>>> In iOS 8.x and earlier, VoiceOver would announce the actual number 
>>> of
>>> messages in a collapsed email message thread.  In the currently 
>>> released
>>> version of iOS 9.0, VoiceOver, instead of announcing the number of 
>>> messages
>>> in the thread, merely says, "Multiple messages in 

RE: Home Button For Turning Voice Over On?

[Fazil]

Thanks much, Sieghard.

I did not change it myself but in my 6Plus, triple-tap on the home-button is 
not turning VO on/off. When I went to Setting, general, Accessibility and home 
button, I did not see any option of assigning HB to anything, am I searching it 
at a wrong place?

Thanks!

Thanks!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 6:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Home Button For Turning Voice Over On?

 

It does if you go to Accessibility settings and tell it to. If you had it set 
up this way just upgrading should have not changed this, but if it did it’s an 
easy thing to fix.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Fazil
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 6:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Home Button For Turning Voice Over On?

 

Hi, list.

Does triple tap on Home-Button still turn VO on/off in IOS9?

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Settings in iOS 9: Every notable change you need to know

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

In my opinion, the following MacWorld article is a must-read.  I have edited
the piece, removing URL and links to exterior photos.  Please forgive any
oversight, on my part.

The link to the original article is located at the end of the text.

Good Luck and Enjoy,

Mark

Settings in iOS 9: Every notable change you need to know
Once you upgrade to iOS 9, take some time to peruse the  Settings app to
tweak it just to your liking.

The Settings app is like the bedroom on every episode of Cribs: It's where
the magic happens. Whenever you update iOS on your iPhone or iPad, it pays
to peruse the settings to find, enable, and configure any new features just
to your liking. 

iOS 9 doesn't have quite as many settings changes as iOS 8 did, and the best
addition by far is a Search box at the top of the main Settings menu, so if
you can't remember, say, where to enable Personal Hotspot (spoiler:
Cellular) or how to turn off shake-to-undo (Accessibility), all you have to
do is start typing in that Search box to pinpoint exactly where your desired
setting lives. Such a time-saver. 

Here's a rundown of the major changes in Settings in iOS 9, as well as some
key settings that didn't change, but you still might want to revisit. If
you've got any questions, hit us up in the comments. 

Cellular
Not much is new in the Cellular settings, with the exception of SIM PIN,
which used to be in the Phone settings, and now is here in Cellular. This
lets you put a separate PIN code on your SIM card, so if someone had your
stolen or misplaced phone, they couldn't use your SIM card in another
device. Your iPhone or iPad will prompt you to enter the SIM pin whenever
you swap out the SIM (which you probably won't do much, if ever) or when you
reboot the device. 

 SIM PIN is off by default, so if you want to use it, first you'll turn it
on. Your SIM has a default PIN on it already: For AT and Verizon, it's
. For Sprint and T-Mobile, it's 1234. (Great PINs, y'all.) Once you
enter that-and you have to get it right within three tries or your SIM will
be locked, but I believe in you-you can tap Change PIN and change it to
something good. You can stick with four digits, or use more, up to eight
digits total, all numbers. Again, pick something memorable because if you
enter the wrong PIN too many times, your SIM will be permanently locked and
you'll have to ask your carrier for a new one. 

The other addition to this screen is Wi-Fi Assist, located down below the
huge list of apps with toggles to allow them to use cellular data. That's on
by default, and it'll use some of your cellular data to boost a poor Wi-Fi
signal. If your Wi-Fi network barely reaches every corner of your abode, you
might want to leave this on. If you use up your monthly data allotment every
single month, you might want to turn this off. 

Notifications
Notifications settings didn't change a lot, but there is a new sort order:
Recent. When you select that, you'll see the notifications in reverse
chronological order, meaning the newest one is always on top. That's great
for when you notice a banner just as it's going away, or when you hear your
phone beep from across the room. 

 In Recent mode, you also get a switch for Group By App, which means each
app's notifications will appear together, newest on top. When a newer
notification comes in, all the notifications for that app will jump to the
top of the list. If you don't group the notifications by app, they'll be
grouped by day, letting you dismiss an entire day's worth of notifications
at once. 

If you always want a certain app's notifications on top, change Recent to
Manual, and then you get a list of every app that sends you notifications,
and you can slide them to your preferred order. Manual mode removes the
Group By App switch, since Manual grouping always groups your notifications
by app. 

Below, is the list of your apps that have requested notifications, in
alphabetical order. That makes it easy to find the app whose notifications
you want to tweak, but the controls themselves haven't changed since iOS 8.
You can still decide if notifications can appear in Notification Center, on
the Lock Screen, or both, and if you want to be notified in the form of
vanishing banners, must-be-dismissed alerts, a badged home screen icon, or a
sound. Even without much change in the Notifications settings, it's a good
idea to "audit" your notifications from time to time, since they lose their
impact if you have so many coming in that you start ignoring them
altogether. 

General
A few small changes can be found in the General section of the Settings app:


Siri
You can change Siri's accent without having to change her language. The
language settings in both iOS 8 and iOS 9 include English localizations for
Australia, Canada, India, New Zealand, Singapore, the UK, and the US. 
 
In iOS 8, you could change Siri's voice from female to male, but in iOS 9,
you can choose both Siri's gender and accent: American, 

RE: "Voice Braille Reader", New Leverage to Use Braille Files on iOS

[Nicki keck]

Hi john,

You could probably go to the Web site on your computer and download the .brf 
files from BARD.  Then, you could use Itunes to transfer them into voice 
Braille on your iPhone.  The developer indicated you could use itunes to 
transfer files to their app, so if you did it that way, you could probably read 
the BARD braille books using Voice Braille.

I would not pay for it because I don't need the ability to read braille as 
audio.  If I want to read a brf file, I would rather use my braille display, 
plus the biggest use I would have for doing so is my hymnals I have because 
they are all in .brf format and so if I were going to sing them, it would not 
be condusive to doing so while listening, so I would use my braille display; 
however, not everyone has one, and not everyone is as fluent a braille reader 
as I am, so this app is a great innovation for those who can't read them in 
braille or don't know braille well enough to do so.

I am glad to hear you can open brf files in Access note.  I know this has not 
always been the case.  I will be investigating that very soon.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
John J Jacques
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 1:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: "Voice Braille Reader", New Leverage to Use Braille Files on iOS


Hi all, I use Voice Dream Reader for all of my Audio book reading that 
isn't Bard, and love it!  I have no problem paying for Voice Braille reader if 
it will play the .BRF files that I can get from BARD, but I suppose I will have 
 to get it to know for sure.  I wish the BARD app would allow Voice Over to 
read the braille files that you can download, but I have heard that they have 
no intention of adding that feature!

Have a good one:
John


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Re: Home Button For Turning Voice Over On?

[wfgallik]

One note of caution when setting up the home key for accessibility features; if 
you rely on voiceover to be able to interact with your iPhone be sure to deploy 
voiceover only. You could conceivably activate multiple accessibility features 
being activated via the home key, but if you do that in turn voiceover off it's 
no simple matter to get voiceover turn back on again.

– Bill and Leader Dog Holland

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Home Button For Turning Voice Over On?

[Fazil]

Hi, list.

Does triple tap on Home-Button still turn VO on/off in IOS9?

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Re: Home Button For Turning Voice Over On?

[Christopher Chaltain]

Go into Settings -> General -> Accessibility and go to the last option 
called accessibility short cut. Double tap it and set it to Voice Over.


On 09/22/2015 08:34 PM, Fazil wrote:

Thanks much, Sieghard.

I did not change it myself but in my 6Plus, triple-tap on the
home-button is not turning VO on/off. When I went to Setting, general,
Accessibility and home button, I did not see any option of assigning HB
to anything, am I searching it at a wrong place?

Thanks!

Thanks!

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2015 6:04 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: Home Button For Turning Voice Over On?

It does if you go to Accessibility settings and tell it to. If you had
it set up this way just upgrading should have not changed this, but if
it did it’s an easy thing to fix.

*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Fazil
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 22, 2015 6:01 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Home Button For Turning Voice Over On?

Hi, list.

Does triple tap on Home-Button still turn VO on/off in IOS9?

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The Instagram App.

['SammieDogsMom' via VIPhone]

I am interesting in getting on instagram. I downloaded the Instagram App, and 
it does not seem accessible with voiceover. I am wondering if I downloaded the 
wrong thing because I am told that people post on Instagram using voiceover. 

Liz Ulrich and Leader Dog Sammie


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Re: My apple Bluetooth keyboard works in iOS 9

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Don't forget, if it doesn't work properly in all areas, consider re-pairing, as 
I suggested in a previous mail to you.

It really did work for me when I wasn't able to write in edit fields.

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
  From: Rose Combs 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 8:01 PM
  Subject: RE: My apple Bluetooth keyboard works in iOS 9


  Well, I think the batteries I found were old and so, no go.  Got new ones, 
just have not tried them yet since typing on the keyboard was not particularly 
comfortable for me.  Will check it out before the 4th of October.  

   

   

  Rose Combs

  roseco...@q.com

  A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
memory!

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 5:27 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: My apple Bluetooth keyboard works in iOS 9

   

  Rose,

   

  Have you tried re-pairing it.  This means you first have to forget the 
pairing you already have, by tapping on that option.

   

  It worked for me when my keyboard wasn't working properly and after upgrading 
to iOS Version 9.

   

  Carol P

   

- Original Message - 

From: Rose Combs 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 6:36 PM

Subject: RE: My apple Bluetooth keyboard works in iOS 9

 

I am unable to get a Logitech or Apple keyboard to connect to my iPhone 6, 
never have been able to do it for some reason.  Alone, no one to read numbers I 
may need to enter on the phone, have not found them either.  Frustrating as I 
will be taking a class soon where having the ability to type would be most 
helpful.  

Do not understand at all how to braille on an iPhone screen, never have had 
any luck with that.  Just truly need real keys.  

 

 

Rose Combs

roseco...@q.com

A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
memory!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Rich Ring
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 11:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: Rich Ring
Subject: Re: My apple bluetooth keyboard works in iOS 9

 

My Logitech K811 works fine with my iPhone 5S. These bugs are just so 
strange!

  On Sep 20, 2015, at 1:14 PM, Neal Ewers  wrote:

   

  Well, after all the excitement about this, I decided to try this on my 
backup iPhone. On the iPhone 5, my apple Bluetooth keyboard works fine, It does 
not even have double letters. I wonder if anyone else is using this same setup 
and what their experience is. I hesitate to update my iPhone 6, but the 5 
certainly works in many edit fields I have been working in.

   

  Neal

   

   

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Re: Question about passcode and answering phone calls

[John Diakogeorgiou]

It just wants you to place your finger on the home button.

On 9/22/15, Rose Combs  wrote:
> Voiceover is vague, I can’t figure out what it wants me to do when it hangs,
> despite everyone telling me, it never ever works.  Tried many times over the
> past year and again with IOS9 same results, regardless, makes me want to
> toss the phone but I would never do that.  Lucky for me its few falls have
> not hurt it, once of a hospital tray table when nurse moved the table
> without looking to see if anything was plugged in on it.
>
> Might work for someone else, but then their fingerprint  would not help me.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rose Combs
>
>   roseco...@q.com
>
> A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the
> memory!
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:35 PM
> To: Viphone
> Subject: Re: Question about passcode and answering phone calls
>
>
>
> You know, to me, setting up Touch Id was awesome even from someone who has
> never used it before despite having an iPhone since 2011. So if I can do it,
> chances are you can too. It's just a matter of doing what VoiceOver tells
> you to do.
>
> On 22 Sep 2015, at 00:18, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Rose,
>
>
>
> It really is a simple process, I will explain it one more time and if you
> follow these steps it should work just fine.
>
>
>
> 1.   After you start the process of adding a fingerprint, place the
> finger you want to use on the hone button. You will feel a very small and
> short vibration each time a successful reading is taken.
>
> 2.   After the vibration, lift the finger and put it down again in a
> slightly different position, repeat after each vibration trying to cover
> most of the area between your finger tip and the first joint of your finger
> or thumb.
>
> 3.   At some point you get that message about adjusting your grip and to
> capture the edges of your finger. If you simply swipe left or right around
> the screen you will find a “Continue” bvutton. Double tap it and then again
> place your finger on the home button and as requested do it more towards the
> edges of your finger.
>
> 4.   After another set of readings you will get the message that Touch
> Id is now ready.
>
>
>
> Make sure when you put your finger on the home button to put it straight
> down, don’t put it down and then move or slide it around because maybe you
> only have half of it on the button, just lift it and continue, it will take
> as many readings as it needs to make sure it has a good image.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Sieghard
>
>
>
> From:   viphone@googlegroups.com [
>  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Rose Combs
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 3:55 PM
> To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Question about passcode and answering phone calls
>
>
>
> I have never, ever gotten past the trip message regardless of what I have
> tried in more than 25 times of trying this.  For me, it just isn’t going to
> happen as nothing works and I eventually end up canceling out.  I am not
> normally terribly patient but I’d think trying to do this for more than 20
> minutes at a time would be enough.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rose Combs
>
>   roseco...@q.com
>
> A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the
> memory!
>
>
>
> From:   viphone@googlegroups.com [
>  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 2:29 PM
> To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about passcode and answering phone calls
>
>
>
> Hi Rose, the prompt you are getting is to adjust your grip. Just double-tap
> the Continue button, move the phone about slightly, and then you can finish
> the process. You'll know it's over when the phone says "Touch IS is ready".
>
> Jonathan Mosen
>
> Mosen Consulting
>
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>
>   http://Mosen.org
>
>
>
> On 22/09/2015, at 8:21 AM, Rose Combs < 
> roseco...@q.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Fingerprint for me has never been a go, have tried it multiple times and I
> mean like about 20 or so in the past year and not once does it work despite
> instructions, I get to a point where it says it shows a picture and I am
> supposed to grab something, never figure out what and so I don't get it to
> happen, and I am alone with no eyes to help, if I ask a family member they
> just tell me if I can't get it to work I don't need it.  See family about
> once a month if that.
> So if it does not work, it won't and for me, the only person I know that it
> does not work for, it won't 

Re: Dictation, Facebook, and unwanted chatter from voiceover while dictating

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Actually, I think this was the case in earlier versions.  I tend to write in 
smallish chunks at a time, to give myself thinking time and (hopefully) make 
less errors.

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
  From: Steve 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 8:41 PM
  Subject: Re: Dictation, Facebook, and unwanted chatter from voiceover while 
dictating


  Yes, same thing I have on Facebook.  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mary Otten 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 9:32 PM
  Subject: Dictation, Facebook, and unwanted chatter from voiceover while 
dictating


  A couple of days ago, when I upgraded my for S, I noted that I had a problem 
when trying to dictate a comment on Facebook, which was that voiceover started 
talking while I was still dictating. That resulted in trouble concentrating for 
me and a garbled mess for my comment. I rebooted the phone and then dictated an 
email message, which went fine. So I thought the problem was solved, or was 
perhaps something to do with my for S being slow.
  I have been using this 5S to dictate several email messages. I just tried 
doing a Facebook comment, and, lo and behold, I got the unwanted intrusion a 
voiceover dictating before I was through. Has anyone else noticed this problem 
when dictating into something other than a mail message, where you hear back 
what you were saying before you have double tapped to indicate you're done? Is 
this a bug or is it just me?
  I was using the Siri female voice when this latest intrusion happened. Now 
I'm using Alex. I suppose I should try and email using the Siri female voice to 
make sure that it isn't Alex that is doing a good job, and the bug that is 
appearing elsewhere.
  Mary

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RE: Problem with envoking Siri using the home button

[Wendy Alling]

So, this is not an Ios 9 bug, right?  When I was using my friend's phone
this morning without voice over, I didn't notice that the phone was even
vibrating when bringing up Siri.  What do you do to make it vibrate for this
feature?


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Re: NEW EDITING FEATURE - LOVE IT!

[Mary Otten]

The nice thing about having purchased Jonathan Mosen's book was that he 
explained about how that feature worked. I know that not everyone has 20 bucks 
to put out for a book which contains a lot of info you could get from Applevis 
and elsewhere. But it was sure nice to have it all in one place.
Mary

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> On Sep 22, 2015, at 2:35 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have to say that I love the new editing feature and, for this alone, it's 
> well worth the upgrade, if you can put up with the bugs so far mentioned ...
>  
> I must say, though, that it took me a while to realise that you expanded the 
> selection by words or lines (instead of letters) by flicking down.  How I 
> wish I'd had a clue on that one!  
>  
> Anyway, despite the time I wasted figuring it out ... I'm delighted!
>  
> Carol P
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Re: downgrading to IOS 8.4.1

[simon wong]

All I can find is a zip file but no Ipws.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2015, at 1:36 PM, simon wong  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> Where is the file I cannot seem to get the right one.
>> 
>> T

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Re: The Instagram App.

[John Diakogeorgiou]

I don't think that it is very accessible. Most buttons are not labeled.

On 9/22/15, 'SammieDogsMom' via VIPhone  wrote:
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> I am interesting in getting on instagram. I downloaded the Instagram App,
> and it does not seem accessible with voiceover. I am wondering if I
> downloaded the wrong thing because I am told that people post on Instagram
> using voiceover.
>
> Liz Ulrich and Leader Dog Sammie
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Re: downgrading to IOS 8.4.1

[simon wong]

How do I do that.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2015, at 5:11 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose  wrote:
> 
> They show up as zip files on Windows but it's nothing to worry about.
> Just point iTunes to the correct one for your device without
> extracting it.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ben.
> 
>> On 9/22/15, simon wong  wrote:
>> All I can find is a zip file but no Ipws.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 1:36 PM, simon wong  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 
 Where is the file I cannot seem to get the right one.
 
 T
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new sleepapp for watch

[Robin Christopherson]

Trea

Thanks for the heads-up. I can’t find it in the UK app store. Do you know if it 
is available or what I should search for?

Thanks, Robin.

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NEW EDITING FEATURE - LOVE IT!

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

I have to say that I love the new editing feature and, for this alone, it's 
well worth the upgrade, if you can put up with the bugs so far mentioned ...

I must say, though, that it took me a while to realise that you expanded the 
selection by words or lines (instead of letters) by flicking down.  How I wish 
I'd had a clue on that one!  

Anyway, despite the time I wasted figuring it out ... I'm delighted!

Carol P

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Re: Two small features in iOS 9 that I really I'm going to love

[Jeff Samco]

I must have missed the first message in this thread  which I trust 
describes how to perform this new way of text selection. Can someone 
describe it for me?

Thanks,
Jeff

At 09:53 PM 9/21/2015, you wrote:
I absolutely love the text selection feature in iOS nine it's one of 
the best improvement regarding voiceover so far for me.


Katie Lady Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Gmail  wrote:
>
> In earlier versions of iOS, before nine, though, I don't think 
you can select text outside of an edit field. Correct me if this is wrong.

>
>
> Thanks,
> Ari
>
>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 11:02 PM, Feliciano Godoy 
 wrote:

>>
>> Exactly what I do. Or simply select the text then copy it to the 
clipboard. That new feature may be more convenient for others though.

>>
>> Regards,
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>>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 5:08 PM, Brent Harding  wrote:
>>>
>>> In 8, when I have to copy garbage strings, I have VO speak it 
and then the 3 finger quad tap, but you often get extra junk with 
it as well that you don't want in there because it literally copies 
what VO spoke.

>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 6:49 PM
>>> Subject: Two small features in iOS 9 that I really I'm going to love
>>>
>>>
>>> Have you ever had to copy out one of those long garbage letter 
number passwords and paste it somewhere else? That alone is going 
to make the text selection feature of iOS 9 a huge timesaver for 
me. Plus, when I have to reenter my email address or password, as 
is so common, presto, copy text. Paste done.
>>> The other one I'm going to love is that little back button up 
in the top left of the status line. If you get emails with links, 
which you follow and read the article, then want to go back to 
mail, how cool is it that you can just tap that little button and 
not have to open the app switcher, find the mail app, and return. 
It's a little thing, but I love it.

>>> Mary
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Settings always in app switcher

[Andy Baracco]

I have noticed that since i upgraded my iPhone 6 to IOS 9, when I go into the 
app switcher, Settings is always active, even though I have not launched it. i 
close it, but the next time I use the phone and go into the app switcher to 
close whatever app I am using, Settings is there again. Is this normal, and if 
not, what can I do to stop this?

Andy
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Re: Settings always in app switcher

[John Diakogeorgiou]

I have not seen that. 

John Diakogeorgiou

> On Sep 23, 2015, at 12:22 AM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> 
> I have noticed that since i upgraded my iPhone 6 to IOS 9, when I go into the 
> app switcher, Settings is always active, even though I have not launched it. 
> i close it, but the next time I use the phone and go into the app switcher to 
> close whatever app I am using, Settings is there again. Is this normal, and 
> if not, what can I do to stop this?
>  
> Andy
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Re: notifications not reading in IOS 9.

[Kerri G]

I have this bug as well. I also have a strange one in which the voice over does 
not read the incoming caller’s number all the time.

I cannot even imagine where I would be today were it not for that handful of 
friends who have given me a heart full of joy. Let's face it, friends make
life a lot more fun.
Chuck Swindoll



> On Sep 22, 2015, at 3:26 AM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris. I've noticed this too. 
> 
> Jenifer Barr
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Sep 21, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Chris Judd  > wrote:
> 
>> Hey all,
>>  
>> Just updated to IOS 9.  I discovered this when I tried to send myself a text 
>> message.
>> I heard my text tone go off, but voice over didn’t read the notification.  I 
>> had to swipe to read the notification.
>> I was wondering if anyone else is experiencing this?
>> That’s all the bugs I can find so far.
>> Chris
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RE: Need to record distance walked with the iPhone

[Paul and Paula Jordan]

Hi, I'm hoping my message got through the other day.  Just in case it didn't, 
here's what I need to know. I have walklog and would like to use it when I'm 
walking around, but I can't figure out how to start it or what to do.  If 
anyone would like to write me off list to explain how this app works, my email 
address is pau...@roadrunner.com.  Thanks for any help.
God bless!
Paula and Boston

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Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 9:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Need to record distance walked with the iPhone

I use Walk Log.  It is very accessible and stays on track.

DJ 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Donna
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 1:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need to record distance walked with the iPhone

Here's an app that I have used in the past. The app is accessible with VO.
And the app does what you want plus more. The drawback, for me anyway, to get 
the full features of the app there is a $6.00 monthly charge or $30.00 yearly 
charge. 

Donna


> On Mar 17, 2015, at 9:32 AM, David Cleveland 
> 
wrote:
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> I am looking for a way to tell how far I have walked using the iPhone.  
> I
like to walk around my neighborhood but I can't really tell how far I have 
walked.  I was wondering if there is an app that I can use to do this.  I would 
like it to use GPS to tell me how far it is from my starting point to my ending 
point.  My walking path goes in a loop and traditional GPS mapping apps don't 
like this and keep urging me to turn back home.
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BMO-Harris Bank App

[wfgallik]

Is anybody on this list using the BMO–Harris app?


If so, are you likewise experiencing maddeningdifficulties with the 
accessibility of said app? It seems that every update makes it even less 
accessible than the previous update, or am I missing something?

- Bill 
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RE: Two small features in iOS 9 that I really I'm going to love

[Richard Turner]

Make sure that Text Selection is selected in the rotor settings.
Then, turn the rotor when you are in any text box, reading an Email, on the web 
with Safari, composing text, anywhere like that it seems; turn the rotor to 
Text Selection and flick up or down to set the unit you want to select.
You have character, word, line, page, or select all, I think.
I've not found select all to work that well.
But, flick to line for example, then flick right with one finger.  Each right 
flick will select one more line of text.
When you have everything you want selected, turn the rotor to edit and flick up 
or down to the action you want to perform.  Copy, cut, etc.

I hope that helps.  

Richard


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Jeff Samco
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Two small features in iOS 9 that I really I'm going to love

I must have missed the first message in this thread  which I trust 
describes how to perform this new way of text selection. Can someone 
describe it for me?
Thanks,
Jeff

At 09:53 PM 9/21/2015, you wrote:
>I absolutely love the text selection feature in iOS nine it's one of 
>the best improvement regarding voiceover so far for me.
>
>Katie Lady Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 21, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Gmail  wrote:
> >
> > In earlier versions of iOS, before nine, though, I don't think 
> you can select text outside of an edit field. Correct me if this is wrong.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ari
> >
> >> On Sep 20, 2015, at 11:02 PM, Feliciano Godoy 
>  wrote:
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> >> Exactly what I do. Or simply select the text then copy it to the 
> clipboard. That new feature may be more convenient for others though.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Feliciano
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> >>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 5:08 PM, Brent Harding  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> In 8, when I have to copy garbage strings, I have VO speak it 
> and then the 3 finger quad tap, but you often get extra junk with 
> it as well that you don't want in there because it literally copies 
> what VO spoke.
> >>>
> >>> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
> >>> To: 
> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 6:49 PM
> >>> Subject: Two small features in iOS 9 that I really I'm going to love
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Have you ever had to copy out one of those long garbage letter 
> number passwords and paste it somewhere else? That alone is going 
> to make the text selection feature of iOS 9 a huge timesaver for 
> me. Plus, when I have to reenter my email address or password, as 
> is so common, presto, copy text. Paste done.
> >>> The other one I'm going to love is that little back button up 
> in the top left of the status line. If you get emails with links, 
> which you follow and read the article, then want to go back to 
> mail, how cool is it that you can just tap that little button and 
> not have to open the app switcher, find the mail app, and return. 
> It's a little thing, but I love it.
> >>> Mary
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: new sleepapp for watch

[Trea Abma]

It is called sleep++, you have to look in the store in the watch app.

From: Robin Christopherson 
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 4:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: new sleepapp for watch

Trea

Thanks for the heads-up. I can’t find it in the UK app store. Do you know if it 
is available or what I should search for?

Thanks, Robin.
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RE: Problem with envoking Siri using the home button

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Vibration has to be turned on in Settings > Sounds


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Wendy Alling
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Subject: RE: Problem with envoking Siri using the home button

So, this is not an Ios 9 bug, right?  When I was using my friend's phone this 
morning without voice over, I didn't notice that the phone was even vibrating 
when bringing up Siri.  What do you do to make it vibrate for this feature?


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Re: iCloud backup

[Alex Hall]

By default, all apps will back up to iCloud, as far as I know. The ones I turn 
off are the ones that save *all* of their content online anyway. Instapaper or 
Pocket, for instance, will pull all your articles, folders, and so on from the 
internet once you log in, so there's no sense backing them up. Same for 
Facebook, Messenger, Rooms, Twitter, Dice World, Skype, and others. Of course, 
I did all this back in the caveman days of early 2015, way back when I only had 
5GB of iCloud space. Now that I'm paying a buck a month for 50GB, I don't 
bother and let iCloud back up whatever it wants to. 
> On Sep 22, 2015, at 16:29, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Another question springs from that one:  Which apps should we check to enable 
> iCloud backup?
>  
> If in doubt I check mine, but am not always sure which to go for.
>  
> I guess the GPS apps that save POIs may be included ... or maybe not ...
>  
> Anyway, if anyone uses ones that definitely backup to iCloud, I'd like to 
> know.
>  
> Carol P
>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Alex Hall 
>> To: 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 8:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: iCloud backup
>> 
>> They should be safe in your iCloud backup, so long as VDR is set to back up, 
>> of course.
>>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 15:02, Harry Bell >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Will my books on Voice Dream Reader come back when restoring from iCloud 
>>> backup or only from iTunes backup?
>>> Thanks
>>> Harry
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On 22 Sep 2015, at 19:56, Alex Hall >> > wrote:
>>> 
 An iCloud backup will give you everything--apps and all their data, home 
 screen layout, settings, all that. The only things it lacks are secure 
 items. That is, it won't give you your wifi passwords, logins for apps, 
 and so on. It will be unaffected by iCloud Keychain for Safari; what I 
 mean is that your Facebook app, for instance, won't come up with you 
 logged in. It will instead have you log in when you first open it, because 
 iCloud backups don't contain login details like that. I hope this makes 
 sense.
> On Sep 22, 2015, at 14:29, Chris Smart  > wrote:
> 
> Follow-up question:
> If one just backs up to the cloud regularly, not backing up using iTunes, 
> and needs to restore the phone at some future time, will they have to 
> manually download each app again from the App Store, then restore from 
> the last iCloud back up? Or, is iCloud smart enough to also get the App 
> store to redownload all apps?
> 
> Chris
> 
>  
> At 06:00 PM 9/18/2015, you wrote:
>> It does not back up apps, it will back up your data such as contacts. 
>> For a true backup use iTunes and backup the phone that way. That will 
>> backup all your apps and data.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  [ 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On 
>> Behalf Of Steve Sweeney
>> Sent: September 18, 2015 17:35
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: iCloud backup
>>  
>> Hi,
>> Does the iCloud backup backup the entire phone including all of its apps 
>> and data or does it just back up the OS and basic data like contacts… 
>> tthe checked items in iCloud in settings?
>> Thx –Steve
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RE: question about yahoo fantasy sports app

[Bryan Schulz]

Hi,

Anyone interested in racing?
You pick eight drivers without spending more than eight million dollars at 
www.fantasydragracingleague.com.
I would be interested in knowing what you think should be done to make it 
easier to use on a small phone screen.
Bryan

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Holly Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 1:44 PM
To: viphone list list
Subject: question about yahoo fantasy sports app

Hi all.  I have a question about the fantasy sports app, ever since the update, 
I can no longer click on individual weeks in the match ups tab.  At the top 
where I used to be able to click on weeks, it now says, week 1, week2, week3, 
etc all in one control, instead of breaking it up.  Has anyone figured out a 
way to view individual weeks?

Thanks.
Holly

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Re: Dictation, Facebook, and unwanted chatter from voiceover while dictating

[Mary Otten]

Since starting this thread, I have noticed that the dictation problem does not 
occur all the time while entering comments on Facebook. I have also noticed 
that it does occasionally occur in other places, including while dictating an 
email. It seems to be rare there, but it has happened, and it is extremely 
annoying. I cannot figure out a pattern however.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2015, at 1:33 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Actually, I think this was the case in earlier  versions.  I tend to write in 
> smallish chunks at a time, to give myself thinking time and (hopefully) make 
> less errors.
>  
> Carol P
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Steve
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 8:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Dictation, Facebook, and unwanted chatter from voiceover while 
> dictating
> 
> Yes, same thing I have on Facebook. 
> - Original Message -
> From: Mary Otten
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 9:32 PM
> Subject: Dictation, Facebook, and unwanted chatter from voiceover while 
> dictating
> 
> A couple of days ago, when I upgraded my for S, I noted that I had a problem 
> when trying to dictate a comment on Facebook, which was that voiceover 
> started talking while I was still dictating. That resulted in trouble 
> concentrating for me and a garbled mess for my comment. I rebooted the phone 
> and then dictated an email message, which went fine. So I thought the problem 
> was solved, or was perhaps something to do with my for S being slow.
> I have been using this 5S to dictate several email messages. I just tried 
> doing a Facebook comment, and, lo and behold, I got the unwanted intrusion a 
> voiceover dictating before I was through. Has anyone else noticed this 
> problem when dictating into something other than a mail message, where you 
> hear back what you were saying before you have double tapped to indicate 
> you're done? Is this a bug or is it just me?
> I was using the Siri female voice when this latest intrusion happened. Now 
> I'm using Alex. I suppose I should try and email using the Siri female voice 
> to make sure that it isn't Alex that is doing a good job, and the bug that is 
> appearing elsewhere.
> Mary
> 
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Re: Dictation, Facebook, and unwanted chatter from voiceover while dictating

[Nancy Badger]

 It happens to me also when I am dictating an email.

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
UT Chattanooga
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

> On Sep 22, 2015, at 6:22 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Since starting this thread, I have noticed that the dictation problem does 
> not occur all the time while entering comments on Facebook. I have also 
> noticed that it does occasionally occur in other places, including while 
> dictating an email. It seems to be rare there, but it has happened, and it is 
> extremely annoying. I cannot figure out a pattern however.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 1:33 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, I think this was the case in earlier versions.  I tend to write in 
>> smallish chunks at a time, to give myself thinking time and (hopefully) make 
>> less errors.
>>  
>> Carol P
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Steve
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 8:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: Dictation, Facebook, and unwanted chatter from voiceover while 
>> dictating
>> 
>> Yes, same thing I have on Facebook. 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Mary Otten
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 9:32 PM
>> Subject: Dictation, Facebook, and unwanted chatter from voiceover while 
>> dictating
>> 
>> A couple of days ago, when I upgraded my for S, I noted that I had a problem 
>> when trying to dictate a comment on Facebook, which was that voiceover 
>> started talking while I was still dictating. That resulted in trouble 
>> concentrating for me and a garbled mess for my comment. I rebooted the phone 
>> and then dictated an email message, which went fine. So I thought the 
>> problem was solved, or was perhaps something to do with my for S being slow.
>> I have been using this 5S to dictate several email messages. I just tried 
>> doing a Facebook comment, and, lo and behold, I got the unwanted intrusion a 
>> voiceover dictating before I was through. Has anyone else noticed this 
>> problem when dictating into something other than a mail message, where you 
>> hear back what you were saying before you have double tapped to indicate 
>> you're done? Is this a bug or is it just me?
>> I was using the Siri female voice when this latest intrusion happened. Now 
>> I'm using Alex. I suppose I should try and email using the Siri female voice 
>> to make sure that it isn't Alex that is doing a good job, and the bug that 
>> is appearing elsewhere.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Sending texts using the Iphone 5 using a bluetooth keyboard.

[Terri Elliott]

Hi.  I tried that and I still can't text with the blue tooth keyboard.

Terri

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Re: Sending texts using the Iphone 5 using a bluetooth keyboard.

[Alex Hall]

Did you disconnect and reconnect, or forget the pairing completely? The former 
may not be enough, while the latter lets iOS start the process from scratch. In 
your bluetooth settings, find the keyboard, then swipe a finger right once to 
the "More Info" button. Double tap, choose "Forget Device", and double tap 
again, then confirm your action in the alert that appears. Re-pair the keyboard 
like it were the first time, and see if that fixes things. Sorry if this is 
what you already did; if it is, just ignore me. 
> On Sep 22, 2015, at 18:39, Terri Elliott  wrote:
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> Hi.  I tried that and I still can't text with the blue tooth keyboard.
> 
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Microsoft word on iPad, have a solved the scrolling problem?

[Mary Otten]

Hi all,
I was reading on Applevis where someone posted that there was an issue with 
Microsoft Word for the iPad, where you couldn't get past the first page if 
you're using a Bluetooth keyboard. If you did manage to get past the first 
page, the keyboard wouldn't follow you, and if you tried to edit, you'd be 
dragged back to that first page. Has anyone used word for the iPad recently? 
How did it work?
Mary

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Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Ps:  you can get small footprint usb keyboards too, with quality mechanisms 
like the original IBM and Mackintosh keyboards of old.
Cherry and Matias still do them.
- Original Message - 
From: "Neal Ewers" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 10:48 PM
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?


What about a regular 101 key USB keyboard? Sorry, Now I have likely made this 
off topic.

Neal


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they asked 
if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a 
wireless keyboard.  However, if I were to carry it around with me not an option 
and I am constantly hitting the touch pad on a 
Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how far the keyboard is 
back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the 
palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had, very 
old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't 
seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control panel, 
maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.

I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last 
spring when I bought the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me 
wrong, however, in the past nearly 40 years I have typed 
8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a couple of times a week or less.  I 
once was very fast but now am not, especially on 
tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to this instead of 
other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus 
minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning to a 
new company not by my choice, then ill, was 
terminated and am now retired earlier than I wished to be.

Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at 
roseco...@q.com

I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys are 
going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for 
years, loved it but, probably will need something I can use where others can 
see what is happening is the reason I was asked about a 
laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only and bought just at the end of its 
cycle in early September 2013 as a present after I 
taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He bought me 
a mini after that and just before new announcements 
were made.  First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere and 
his was donated to a friend who spent months on a 
ventilator unable to talk but very much mentally with it.  I helped set it up 
so it could talk for him after my husband passed a 
year ago in the spring.
So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via Bluetooth, 
if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to 
carry.
My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, and 
if I could get it to connect to my home network so I 
could load it easier it would be my choice.

I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 
card these days.  Never truly worked well in that regard 
anyway.  However, makes it useless as an e-mail client also and probably would 
not open the documents I will be sent.
Long story as to why I did not upgrade it, let's just say HW and I are no 
longer friendly.

Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming meeting. 
I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with 
complete confidence and competence. However, that laptop is long since gone and 
buried.
At this point, my choices are to use my eye pad with a Bluetooth keyboard and 
pray that I don't get bit by the Bluetooth bug in iOS 
9, choosing among apps such as voice dream writer or the new notes app. Or I 
could borrow my husbands 11 inch MacBook air, with 
which I am not that familiar, and use something like text at it. Neither 
prospect is exciting. I'm looking for something that is 
going to be reliable and foolproof. As in me being a fool and screwing up their 
minutes. What do people think would be the easiest 
thing to do the most foolproof thing? This is, assuming I don't get the 
Bluetooth bug that wipes out my iPad? Most about using the 
MacBook is hitting that darned oversized touchpad and ending up somewhere where 
I really don't 

Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Blessedly, you can use bluetooth or usb keyboards on netbooks.  The last one I 
had, I always plugged a usb keyboard into it as I 
hate netbook keyboards from the start. Not such a portable option, but one good 
bag can manage it, used to carry more than that to 
Uni some years ago.

I'm sure I saw an option to run a usb keyboard on a Windows tablet, though 
didn't get to try it.

BobH.
- Original Message - 
From: "Rose Combs" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?


I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they asked 
if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a 
wireless keyboard.  However, if I were to carry it around with me not an option 
and I am constantly hitting the touch pad on a 
Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how far the keyboard is 
back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the 
palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had, very 
old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't 
seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control panel, 
maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.

I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last 
spring when I bought the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me 
wrong, however, in the past nearly 40 years I have typed 
8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a couple of times a week or less.  I 
once was very fast but now am not, especially on 
tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to this instead of 
other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus 
minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning to a 
new company not by my choice, then ill, was 
terminated and am now retired earlier than I wished to be.

Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at
roseco...@q.com

I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys are 
going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for 
years, loved it but, probably will need something I can use where others can 
see what is happening is the reason I was asked about a 
laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only and bought just at the end of its 
cycle in early September 2013 as a present after I 
taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He bought me 
a mini after that and just before new announcements 
were made.  First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere and 
his was donated to a friend who spent months on a 
ventilator unable to talk but very much mentally with it.  I helped set it up 
so it could talk for him after my husband passed a 
year ago in the spring.
So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via Bluetooth, 
if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to 
carry.
My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, and 
if I could get it to connect to my home network so I 
could load it easier it would be my choice.

I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 
card these days.  Never truly worked well in that regard 
anyway.  However, makes it useless as an e-mail client also and probably would 
not open the documents I will be sent.
Long story as to why I did not upgrade it, let's just say HW and I are no 
longer friendly.

Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming meeting. 
I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with 
complete confidence and competence. However, that laptop is long since gone and 
buried.
At this point, my choices are to use my eye pad with a Bluetooth keyboard and 
pray that I don't get bit by the Bluetooth bug in iOS 
9, choosing among apps such as voice dream writer or the new notes app. Or I 
could borrow my husbands 11 inch MacBook air, with 
which I am not that familiar, and use something like text at it. Neither 
prospect is exciting. I'm looking for something that is 
going to be reliable and foolproof. As in me being a fool and screwing up their 
minutes. What do people think would be the easiest 
thing to do the most foolproof thing? This is, assuming I don't get the 
Bluetooth bug that wipes out my iPad? Most about using the 
MacBook is hitting that darned oversized touchpad and ending up somewhere where 
I really don't want to be and not having a clue how 
to get back where I need to be in the text writing app.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Question about text messaging.

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Matthew, if you send a message to someone, your own message is not taken 
into account when the phone is looking for new messages. So If the Messages app 
is reporting "1 new message", it's definitely an incoming one. A message is 
only read when you've actually opened the thread and swiped to the message.
Yes, you can rename a conversation if you wish, but by default it will be named 
with the person you're texting. whether you or the person you're texting is the 
last person in the thread at any time has no bearing on what the conversation 
is called.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
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> On 22/09/2015, at 6:58 PM, Matthew Bullis  wrote:
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> Hello, I've not done too much text messaging on the iPhone, despite the fact 
> that I've been a user for a few years. I'm confused about a few things still. 
> If I go into messages and look through the conversations, it will still say 
> one new message, even though the one it's referring to is the message I sent. 
> Also, I'll look at a thread and it will give the other person's name, but 
> I'll see my message to them in the thread. Is the phone indicating that this 
> is a conversation with that person, or is it reporting things incorrectly? 
> Are there settings I should change?
> Thanks,
> Matthew
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