date:20160731

Re: Philips Hue Lighting app

2016-07-31 Thread rdour

Hello,

The app does have issues, but there is very good news. You can get through the 
setup process within the app. After that, there's a whole ecosystem of apps for 
Philips Hue. I use one called Hue Lights, I feel I get very good control with 
that app. Also, Siri can control these lights once configured. Finally, Philips 
has a web API that is well documented on their development site. I've used it 
with bash scripts extensively.

If you get the lights, share your setup story with us. I've been using them for 
years now so I certainly couldn't recall all of the details for that process at 
this point. They've been running so smoothly I've had no reason to reset the 
system. Even the upgrade from the original base to the base 2.0 with HomeKit 
support was smooth.

Thanks,
Ryan Dour

> On Jul 30, 2016, at 10:45 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
>  
> Has anybody bought into the Philips Hue lighting system and used the app? I 
> am trying to find out if it is Voiceover accessible.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
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Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]

2016-07-31 Thread Christopher Chaltain

Obviously, not every app in the App Store is going to be replicated in 
the Play Store. Accessibility also won't be the same. In some cases you 
may find an app you prefer in the Play Store or an Android app might be 
more accessible than the corresponding iPhone app. For me, I played 
around with a Nexus 7 for a few years, and between that and Jonathan 
Mosen's article, I realized that the things I do on the iPhone I can do 
on an Android phone, and some things that are important to me but may 
not be to other iPhone users, are possible on Android and not on an 
Apple device. For this reason, I made the switch to a Samsung S7, 
although I still have my own personal iPhone, and I still use an iPhone 
for work.

If you're happy with your iPhone then there's no reason to switch, and I 
don't think any post in this thread is encouraging that. If you're 
curious about Android though, you can do some research to see if the 
apps you use on the iPhone will also be present and accessible on 
Android. It won't be true across the board, but you'll find it's true 
for most of the most popular and common apps.

I believe this thread got started when someone was asking about tablets 
and made the gratuitous statement that they told an AT rep that they 
wouldn't consider an Android tablet due to their problems with 
accessibility. I don't think there needs to be this much time spent on 
an IOS list talking about Android, but I do think it's important that 
accurate information is presented when talking about other devices. I 
don't think this thread was started to convince anyone to leave the 
iPhone nor was it started to encourage bashing of Android. Choice is 
good and sharing of accurate information is important.

On 31/07/16 08:53, Russ Kiehne wrote:

That may be, but does android have all of the same apps I use on my ipad
mini?

It’s my understanding that voice dream reader is a lot better on the
ipad than on a android device?

*From:* Kevin Chao 
*Sent:* Saturday, July 30, 2016 1:33 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think
[was "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]

Current Android 7 and TalkBack 5 accessibility user experience matches
iOS 10 VoiceOVEr in most areas and exceeds in other areas.
I'll agree that earlier Android accessibility was sub-optimal  and had a
lot to be desired, but I'd encourage screen reader users to try modern
Android TalkBack. You'll be pleasantly surprised, but to be fair it is
difficult to let go of legacy experiences one may have.

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 9:15 PM Terri Stimmel
> wrote:

Hello there Christopher,

Thank you for giving you giving me your dots and opinions on android
tablets and phones. I really appreciate it. That was very kind of you.

However, I am not at all interested in having an android cabinet. I
tried one a few months ago, and I really dislike it. Before that, I
had an earlier version of a tablet, and I really dislike that as
well. At one point, along time ago, I had an android phone, and I
never like that thing. I know some people love android products, and
that is there right, and their choice. But I am not one of them. I
know my iPhone, and other Apple products, can have their
limitations. But I can live with those limitations. But thank you
again for giving me your thoughts on this matter. I do appreciate it.

Terri
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 27, 2016, at 10:40 PM, Christopher Chaltain
> wrote:
>
> There's a lot of good reasons not to get an Android tablet, one of
which is that you may not want to learn another interface and screen
reader, but it's getting hard to say that Android tablets aren't
very accessible. Jonathan Mosen has a good article talking about his
experience with an Android phone, and based on that article, and
some other reasons, I got a Samsung S7 Active to go along with my
Nexus 7 tablet. The iPhone definitely has it's strengths, but
depending on what you do with the phone, an Android phone or tablet
is quite accessible.
>
>> On 27/07/16 15:24, Terri Stimmel wrote:
>> Hello everybody,
>>
>> Well, I will not be getting an iPod after all.
>> I called AT, to see when I could upgrade my phone. I want more
memory on my phone. I was told I could upgrade in February. I don't
know if I will upgrade now. But I might. Anyway, when I was talking
to the lady, she told me that they were running a great promotion on
tablets. I told her then I would blind, and that I did not want an
android tablet because I didn't feel they were very accessible.
>> So she looked to see what she could offer me. She said she could
offer me an iPad mini, but it was the second

Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was "Questions regarding the IPod"]

2016-07-31 Thread Mary Otten

Your use case must be different from mine. At this point, I can't imagine 
moving from an iPhone to android, although I have both. If I had to pick one, 
it would be the iPhone, for the mail app, the ease of doing web reading, and my 
favorite RSS news reader which I use a lot, and for which I have found no 
equivalent on android. Plus voice dream reader. It's so much better on the 
iPhone then it is on android. I read a lot of books, and book share is great. 
And you can't beat voice dream reader, although it has had some pick ups lately 
that I have not been thrilled with. Still, for my use case, iOS is still it. I 
enjoy messing around with android. But I'm not ready to make a move to android 
as my primary device for the above reasons.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 31, 2016, at 8:10 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> I have a Samsung S7 Active, and I didn't have any trouble installing Talk 
> Back or using it. The S7 replaced my iPhone as my every day device, and it 
> was Jonathan Mosen's article that convinced me to make the switch.
> 
>> On 31/07/16 16:39, Mary Otten wrote:
>> I don't own a Samsung device, but I know there are plenty of people who
>> have installed talkback on the S7, so I know it's possible. I'm sorry
>> you weren't able to do that. Many people find it satisfactory. Depends
>> on your use case. That's an expensive device. For that kind of money, I
>> would just assume have an iPhone.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jul 31, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Gordan Radić > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Right.
>>> 
>>> I was testing Samsung Galaxy S7 for two weeks and I wasn't satisfied
>>> with accessibility solutions. As you probably know, Samsung flagship
>>> models has its own screen reader called Voice Assistant and in some
>>> situations it works worse than the Google Talkback on other phones. I
>>> wasn't able to install Talkback on S7, probably because it is disabled
>>> somewhere so I can't tell how it works on that device.
>>> 
>>> I wrote a detailed reviewon it for my website but it is unfortunately
>>> in my own language so I'll just sumarize the conclusion part.
>>> 
>>> From sighted point of view comparing Galaxy S7 and iPhone 6S is just
>>> as comparing Mercedes and BMW.
>>> 
>>> From partially sighted corner S7 has some advantages since there are
>>> tones of look and feel customizations, zooming accessibility options
>>> and of course, a gallery of visual themes from the Gallaxy Store.
>>> 
>>> But, talking from the blind perspective, Samsung and Google have a lot
>>> to learn about accessibility from Apple.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *Gordan Radić* 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>   
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 31.7.2016. u 20:22, Mary Otten je napisao/la:
 It's definitely a lot better than it used to be. Reading Jonathan's blog 
 article would be a good place to start in my opinion. It is hard to find 
 truly unbiased people, because everybody has a bias. They have their own 
 use cases. They have things that are more important to them. I still say, 
 if you want to buy a device and just use it without messing with it, iOS 
 still has a definite advantage. But android accessibility has made lots of 
 strides, less so if you need braille  support and are going to be relying 
 on braille back. On the other hand, the cost of Apple products is quite 
 high and out of the reach of many people. So the fact that android 
 accessibility is improving, and the fact that you can get a good android 
 device for less than the cost of a comparable iPhone is a good thing.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 31, 2016, at 11:11 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> Lately it has crossed my mind that i want to test Android, just to see 
> how much closer it is to iPhone. Yes i know it’s a sinn to think this 
> way, for thou shalt not have any other operating systems besides iOs, 
> still i want to know how good it is before i totally bash it.:-) It’s 
> good to know a products strengths and weeknesses right?
> /Krister
> 
>> 31 juli 2016 kl. 18:35 skrev Rajmund :
>> 
>> Hi, Besides, some of us, like myself, hate the OS, putting accessibility 
>> aside. I'll get one to play with, but not to replace anything.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from a Braille Sense
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Krister Ekstrom  
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Sunday, July 31, 2016 3:44 pm
>> Subject: Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think 
>> [was "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]
>> 
>>> And what about upgradability? Not all Android devices

Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was "Questions regarding the IPod"]

2016-07-31 Thread Christopher Chaltain

I have a Samsung S7 Active, and I didn't have any trouble installing 
Talk Back or using it. The S7 replaced my iPhone as my every day device, 
and it was Jonathan Mosen's article that convinced me to make the switch.


On 31/07/16 16:39, Mary Otten wrote:

I don't own a Samsung device, but I know there are plenty of people who
have installed talkback on the S7, so I know it's possible. I'm sorry
you weren't able to do that. Many people find it satisfactory. Depends
on your use case. That's an expensive device. For that kind of money, I
would just assume have an iPhone.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 31, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Gordan Radić > wrote:


Right.

I was testing Samsung Galaxy S7 for two weeks and I wasn't satisfied
with accessibility solutions. As you probably know, Samsung flagship
models has its own screen reader called Voice Assistant and in some
situations it works worse than the Google Talkback on other phones. I
wasn't able to install Talkback on S7, probably because it is disabled
somewhere so I can't tell how it works on that device.

I wrote a detailed reviewon it for my website but it is unfortunately
in my own language so I'll just sumarize the conclusion part.

From sighted point of view comparing Galaxy S7 and iPhone 6S is just
as comparing Mercedes and BMW.

From partially sighted corner S7 has some advantages since there are
tones of look and feel customizations, zooming accessibility options
and of course, a gallery of visual themes from the Gallaxy Store.

But, talking from the blind perspective, Samsung and Google have a lot
to learn about accessibility from Apple.


*Gordan Radić* 

 

  
 


31.7.2016. u 20:22, Mary Otten je napisao/la:

It's definitely a lot better than it used to be. Reading Jonathan's blog 
article would be a good place to start in my opinion. It is hard to find truly 
unbiased people, because everybody has a bias. They have their own use cases. 
They have things that are more important to them. I still say, if you want to 
buy a device and just use it without messing with it, iOS still has a definite 
advantage. But android accessibility has made lots of strides, less so if you 
need braille  support and are going to be relying on braille back. On the other 
hand, the cost of Apple products is quite high and out of the reach of many 
people. So the fact that android accessibility is improving, and the fact that 
you can get a good android device for less than the cost of a comparable iPhone 
is a good thing.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 31, 2016, at 11:11 AM, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:

Lately it has crossed my mind that i want to test Android, just to see how much 
closer it is to iPhone. Yes i know it’s a sinn to think this way, for thou 
shalt not have any other operating systems besides iOs, still i want to know 
how good it is before i totally bash it.:-) It’s good to know a products 
strengths and weeknesses right?
/Krister


31 juli 2016 kl. 18:35 skrev Rajmund :

Hi, Besides, some of us, like myself, hate the OS, putting accessibility aside. 
I'll get one to play with, but not to replace anything.



Sent from a Braille Sense

- Original Message -
From: Krister Ekstrom  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 31, 2016 3:44 pm
Subject: Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was "Re: 
Questions regarding the IPod"]


And what about upgradability? Not all Android devices support or have the 
latest versions and not all can support them which means that we have even more 
special questions to ask the dealers who probably won't know because they are 
in big chains and they only sell, they do not know a thing about what they sell 
and definitely no blindness specific stuff. At least that's the way in Sweden 
now.
/Krister


31 juli 2016 kl. 15:53 skrev Russ Kiehne :

That may be, but does android have all of the same apps I use on my ipad mini?

It's my understanding that voice dream reader is a lot better on the ipad than 
on a android device?

From: Kevin Chao 
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 1:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was "Re: 
Questions regarding the IPod"]

Current Android 7 and TalkBack 5 accessibility user experience matches iOS 10 
VoiceOVEr in most areas and exceeds in other areas.
I'll agree that earlier Android accessibility was sub-optimal  and had a lot to 
be desired, but I'd encourage screen reader users to try modern Android 
TalkBack. You'll be pleasantly surprised, but to be fair it is difficult to let 
go of legacy experiences one may have.


On

Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was "Questions regarding the IPod"]

2016-07-31 Thread Mary Otten

Obviously, that's up to the moderators, how much comparison talk they wish to 
allow. But it seems to me that a certain amount of it is inevitable. And as 
long as it is kept within the realm of comparison of experience, why not? As 
long as it isn't bashing of one system or another.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 31, 2016, at 7:24 PM, MamaPeach  wrote:
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> I thought this was a list for iDevices. All I have seen lately is talk of the 
> accessibility of Android devices. Isn’t there another list for this, such as 
> the Eyes Free list?
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Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was "Questions regarding the IPod"]

2016-07-31 Thread MamaPeach

I thought this was a list for iDevices. All I have seen lately is talk of the 
accessibility of Android devices. Isn’t there another list for this, such as 
the Eyes Free list?

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removing a dead favorite from tunein radio

2016-07-31 Thread 'ray t. mahorney' via VIPhone

I need for one of you folks to remind me how to remove a favorite from tunein 
radio.  Thanks folks.
Ray T. Mahorney
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RE: Thermostat confusion.

2016-07-31 Thread Sieghard Weitzel

As mentioned it is a Wi-Fi connected thermostat and it has an app. It is like 
the Nest thermostat, a piece of hardware and an app to control it, just less 
expensive and from a different company. I Have had one of these at home and 2 
at my retail business which has separate furnaces on the main floor and first 
floor and they've been working perfectly for 3 or 4 years now. I am not saying 
that Nest is no good, but just mentioned www.RadioThermostat.com as an 
alternative and one that was one of the first and I know that in the States you 
can buy the thermostats at Home Depot for around $100; at least I read this in 
some posts from list members who said so.

Regards,
Sieghard

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englishride...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 5:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Thermostat confusion.

I'll have to check out that other thermostat you mentioned. What makes it 
different from the ones I mentioned? Can it interface with my iPhone, like the 
Nest one, or is it just a standalone unit, like the one from Talking 
Thermostats?


Thanks,
Ari

> On Jul 31, 2016, at 3:13 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ari,
> 
> You may also want to consider the Wi-Fi thermostat from 
> www.RadioThermostat.com. They are less expensive than the Nest ones and also 
> work very well. 
> As for what a thermostat does, it maintains whatever temperature you set it 
> to and if you have air conditioning this also means starting your air 
> conditioner when it gets too hot. Let's say you live in a place that gets 
> pretty hot in the summer and you have air conditioning, but it also may get 
> cold in the winter requiring you to heat. If you set your thermostat to 70 
> Fahrenheit and it is super hot in the summer, the thermostat will cause your 
> air conditioner to kick in if it gets a degree or two above 670 degrees, once 
> the temperature in the house is back down to around 69 or 70 it will turn 
> off. The same happens with your furnace in the winter. If you set it to 70 
> degrees and it's only 40 outside, the thermostat maintains the 70 degrees by 
> causing the furnace to start up if it gets too cold.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 10:34 AM
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> Subject: Thermostat confusion.
> 
> So, after we move, I'm thinking of getting either one of those thermostats 
> from talkingthermostats.com or a Nest thermostat. I tried googling this one, 
> but I don't seem to be getting a proper answer. I don't really understand how 
> thermostats work. Not mechanically, but practically. What does setting the 
> temperature of the thermostat to 70 degrees actually mean? And is the answer 
> to that question different when you're talking about air conditioning versus 
> heating?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
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Re: Thermostat confusion.

2016-07-31 Thread englishrider91

I'll have to check out that other thermostat you mentioned. What makes it 
different from the ones I mentioned? Can it interface with my iPhone, like the 
Nest one, or is it just a standalone unit, like the one from Talking 
Thermostats?


Thanks,
Ari

> On Jul 31, 2016, at 3:13 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ari,
> 
> You may also want to consider the Wi-Fi thermostat from 
> www.RadioThermostat.com. They are less expensive than the Nest ones and also 
> work very well. 
> As for what a thermostat does, it maintains whatever temperature you set it 
> to and if you have air conditioning this also means starting your air 
> conditioner when it gets too hot. Let's say you live in a place that gets 
> pretty hot in the summer and you have air conditioning, but it also may get 
> cold in the winter requiring you to heat. If you set your thermostat to 70 
> Fahrenheit and it is super hot in the summer, the thermostat will cause your 
> air conditioner to kick in if it gets a degree or two above 670 degrees, once 
> the temperature in the house is back down to around 69 or 70 it will turn 
> off. The same happens with your furnace in the winter. If you set it to 70 
> degrees and it's only 40 outside, the thermostat maintains the 70 degrees by 
> causing the furnace to start up if it gets too cold.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> englishride...@gmail.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 10:34 AM
> To: VIPhone Email List 
> Subject: Thermostat confusion.
> 
> So, after we move, I'm thinking of getting either one of those thermostats 
> from talkingthermostats.com or a Nest thermostat. I tried googling this one, 
> but I don't seem to be getting a proper answer. I don't really understand how 
> thermostats work. Not mechanically, but practically. What does setting the 
> temperature of the thermostat to 70 degrees actually mean? And is the answer 
> to that question different when you're talking about air conditioning versus 
> heating?
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Re: Recommendations on to do lists apps

2016-07-31 Thread Chris Chaffin

I personally use the ios native reminders app.  I use it for both things I need 
to get done at home and at work.
It is not necessary, but you can create different list to help you better 
organize your task.  For example, I have a work list for my task at work, a 
bills list to help me manage and keep up when they are due, and my list of task 
I need to get done at home.
You can customize them to remind you at a specific time, or at a specific 
location.  And there is many ways of having them to repeat when you need them 
too.
Reminders will remain there until you check the box saying that they have been 
completed.

You can also add the reminders app to your today screen so you can quickly 
access them.
One other feature I like that I will mention, is that after opening the 
reminders app, if you will double tap on scheduled, then you will find your 
reminders listed by day, so you can see what reminders are coming up tomorrow, 
or next week, or so on.

I have tried a lot of the third party to do apps, and I always come back to the 
ios reminders app.
If you have any specific questions, let us know.

Chris

> On Jul 31, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> 
> For example, say tomorrow you like to accomplish half a dozen tasks.  
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> you complete them.
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RE: Thermostat confusion.

2016-07-31 Thread Sieghard Weitzel

Hi Ari,

You may also want to consider the Wi-Fi thermostat from 
www.RadioThermostat.com. They are less expensive than the Nest ones and also 
work very well. 
As for what a thermostat does, it maintains whatever temperature you set it to 
and if you have air conditioning this also means starting your air conditioner 
when it gets too hot. Let's say you live in a place that gets pretty hot in the 
summer and you have air conditioning, but it also may get cold in the winter 
requiring you to heat. If you set your thermostat to 70 Fahrenheit and it is 
super hot in the summer, the thermostat will cause your air conditioner to kick 
in if it gets a degree or two above 670 degrees, once the temperature in the 
house is back down to around 69 or 70 it will turn off. The same happens with 
your furnace in the winter. If you set it to 70 degrees and it's only 40 
outside, the thermostat maintains the 70 degrees by causing the furnace to 
start up if it gets too cold.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Subject: Thermostat confusion.

So, after we move, I'm thinking of getting either one of those thermostats from 
talkingthermostats.com or a Nest thermostat. I tried googling this one, but I 
don't seem to be getting a proper answer. I don't really understand how 
thermostats work. Not mechanically, but practically. What does setting the 
temperature of the thermostat to 70 degrees actually mean? And is the answer to 
that question different when you're talking about air conditioning versus 
heating?


Thanks,
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RE: Recommendations on to do lists apps

2016-07-31 Thread Sieghard Weitzel

You can do this with the native Reminders app. You can do individual entries 
for various tasks and either ask Reminders to "remind" you  or not. You can 
also mark these items as completed.
Just mentioning this, I'm sure there are more feature rich apps out there, but 
for simple reminders of things to do the Reminders app serves me well. Of 
course there is also SIRI integration as in "Remind me to..." 

Regards,
Sieghard



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Subject: Re: Recommendations on to do lists apps

You may want to take a look at an app called Things. It's very accessible, and 
very comprehensive.

Link:
Things by Cultured Code GmbH & Co. KG
https://appsto.re/us/fmf_q.i


Thanks,
Ari

> On Jul 31, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> 
> For example, say tomorrow you like to accomplish half a dozen tasks.  
> Notifications would be nice, as well as the ability to cross off the items as 
> you complete them.
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espn app

2016-07-31 Thread david gross

I called espn earlier this week to complain about no radio link to sunday night 
baseball on their app.
It will be interesting to see if they put it on tonight july 31st.

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unable to tweet

2016-07-31 Thread david gross

Again I am unable tto originate and send tweets on both the native twitter app, 
and the twitteriffic. app.
If anyone knows e mail addresses for either or both developers,  it. is 
appreciated.

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Re: Recommendations on to do lists apps

2016-07-31 Thread englishrider91

You may want to take a look at an app called Things. It's very accessible, and 
very comprehensive.

Link:
Things by Cultured Code GmbH & Co. KG
https://appsto.re/us/fmf_q.i


Thanks,
Ari

> On Jul 31, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was "Questions regarding the IPod"]

2016-07-31 Thread Rajmund

Know, right? I'd be more than happy to send one of those for a real, proper, 
torture test. For me, its not even for accessibility, just something to play 
with. Another OS, to put it this way. Then if I like it, I'll give the 
respective apology. But for now...



Sent from a Braille Sense 

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From: Krister Ekstrom  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 31, 2016 7:11 pm
Subject: Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was 
"Questions regarding the IPod"]

>
>
> Lately it has crossed my mind that i want to test Android, just to see how 
> much closer it is to iPhone. Yes i know it's a sinn to think this way, for 
> thou shalt not have any other operating systems besides iOs, still i want to 
> know how good it is before i totally bash it.:-) It's good to know a products 
> strengths and weeknesses right?
> /Krister
> 
> > 31 juli 2016 kl. 18:35 skrev Rajmund :
> > 
> > Hi, Besides, some of us, like myself, hate the OS, putting accessibility 
> > aside. I'll get one to play with, but not to replace anything. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from a Braille Sense 
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Krister Ekstrom  
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, July 31, 2016 3:44 pm
> > Subject: Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was 
> > "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]
> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> And what about upgradability? Not all Android devices support or have the 
> >> latest versions and not all can support them which means that we have even 
> >> more special questions to ask the dealers who probably won't know because 
> >> they are in big chains and they only sell, they do not know a thing about 
> >> what they sell and definitely no blindness specific stuff. At least that's 
> >> the way in Sweden now.
> >> /Krister
> >> 
> >>> 31 juli 2016 kl. 15:53 skrev Russ Kiehne :
> >>> 
> >>> That may be, but does android have all of the same apps I use on my ipad 
> >>> mini?
> >>> 
> >>> It's my understanding that voice dream reader is a lot better on the ipad 
> >>> than on a android device?
> >>> 
> >>> From: Kevin Chao 
> >>> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 1:33 PM
> >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> >>> Subject: Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think 
> >>> [was "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]
> >>> 
> >>> Current Android 7 and TalkBack 5 accessibility user experience matches 
> >>> iOS 10 VoiceOVEr in most areas and exceeds in other areas.
> >>> I'll agree that earlier Android accessibility was sub-optimal  and had a 
> >>> lot to be desired, but I'd encourage screen reader users to try modern 
> >>> Android TalkBack. You'll be pleasantly surprised, but to be fair it is 
> >>> difficult to let go of legacy experiences one may have.
> >>> 
> >>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 9:15 PM Terri Stimmel 
> >>> > wrote:
>  Hello there Christopher,
>  
>  Thank you for giving you giving me your dots and opinions on android 
>  tablets and phones. I really appreciate it. That was very kind of you.
>  
>  
>  
>  However, I am not at all interested in having an android cabinet. I 
>  tried one a few months ago, and I really dislike it. Before that, I had 
>  an earlier version of a tablet, and I really dislike that as well. At 
>  one point, along time ago, I had an android phone, and I never like that 
>  thing. I know some people love android products, and that is there 
>  right, and their choice. But I am not one of them. I know my iPhone, and 
>  other Apple products, can have their limitations. But I can live with 
>  those limitations. But thank you again for giving me your thoughts on 
>  this matter. I do appreciate it.
>  
>  Terri
>  Sent from my iPhone
>  
> > On Jul 27, 2016, at 10:40 PM, Christopher Chaltain  > > wrote:
> > 
> > There's a lot of good reasons not to get an Android tablet, one of 
> > which is that you may not want to learn another interface and screen 
> > reader, but it's getting hard to say that Android tablets aren't very 
> > accessible. Jonathan Mosen has a good article talking about his 
> > experience with an Android phone, and based on that article, and some 
> > other reasons, I got a Samsung S7 Active to go along with my Nexus 7 
> > tablet. The iPhone definitely has it's strengths, but depending on what 
> > you do with the phone, an Android phone or tablet is quite accessible.
> > 
> >> On 27/07/16 15:24, Terri Stimmel wrote:
> >> Hello everybody,
> >> 
> >> Well, I will not be getting an iPod after all.
> >> I called AT, to see when I

Recommendations on to do lists apps

2016-07-31 Thread Traci Duncan

Does anyone have app recommendations 3rd party or native IOS, for to do lists.

For example, say tomorrow you like to accomplish half a dozen tasks.  
Notifications would be nice, as well as the ability to cross off the items as 
you complete them.

Thanks for the help.
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Re: is IFTTT ACCESSIBLE

2016-07-31 Thread Traci Duncan

I see you haven’t received a reply.  If you contact IFTT, I’d like to hear 
their response.  So far, I find IFTT and their companion app Do Button, quite 
inaccessible.

Thanks,
Traci

> On Jul 20, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Chip Orange  wrote:
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> Hi all,
>  
> I’d like to learn how to use IFTTT, but when I try it seems not accessible 
> using Voice Over … before I write them a note, has anyone done this?
>  
> Chip
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Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was "Questions regarding the IPod"]

2016-07-31 Thread Mary Otten

It's definitely a lot better than it used to be. Reading Jonathan's blog 
article would be a good place to start in my opinion. It is hard to find truly 
unbiased people, because everybody has a bias. They have their own use cases. 
They have things that are more important to them. I still say, if you want to 
buy a device and just use it without messing with it, iOS still has a definite 
advantage. But android accessibility has made lots of strides, less so if you 
need braille  support and are going to be relying on braille back. On the other 
hand, the cost of Apple products is quite high and out of the reach of many 
people. So the fact that android accessibility is improving, and the fact that 
you can get a good android device for less than the cost of a comparable iPhone 
is a good thing.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 31, 2016, at 11:11 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> Lately it has crossed my mind that i want to test Android, just to see how 
> much closer it is to iPhone. Yes i know it’s a sinn to think this way, for 
> thou shalt not have any other operating systems besides iOs, still i want to 
> know how good it is before i totally bash it.:-) It’s good to know a products 
> strengths and weeknesses right?
> /Krister
> 
>> 31 juli 2016 kl. 18:35 skrev Rajmund :
>> 
>> Hi, Besides, some of us, like myself, hate the OS, putting accessibility 
>> aside. I'll get one to play with, but not to replace anything. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from a Braille Sense 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Krister Ekstrom  
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Sunday, July 31, 2016 3:44 pm
>> Subject: Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was 
>> "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> And what about upgradability? Not all Android devices support or have the 
>>> latest versions and not all can support them which means that we have even 
>>> more special questions to ask the dealers who probably won't know because 
>>> they are in big chains and they only sell, they do not know a thing about 
>>> what they sell and definitely no blindness specific stuff. At least that's 
>>> the way in Sweden now.
>>> /Krister
>>> 
 31 juli 2016 kl. 15:53 skrev Russ Kiehne :

 That may be, but does android have all of the same apps I use on my ipad 
 mini?

 It's my understanding that voice dream reader is a lot better on the ipad 
 than on a android device?

 From: Kevin Chao 
 Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 1:33 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think 
 [was "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]

 Current Android 7 and TalkBack 5 accessibility user experience matches iOS 
 10 VoiceOVEr in most areas and exceeds in other areas.
 I'll agree that earlier Android accessibility was sub-optimal  and had a 
 lot to be desired, but I'd encourage screen reader users to try modern 
 Android TalkBack. You'll be pleasantly surprised, but to be fair it is 
 difficult to let go of legacy experiences one may have.

> On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 9:15 PM Terri Stimmel 
> > wrote:
> Hello there Christopher,
> 
> Thank you for giving you giving me your dots and opinions on android 
> tablets and phones. I really appreciate it. That was very kind of you.
> 
> 
> 
> However, I am not at all interested in having an android cabinet. I tried 
> one a few months ago, and I really dislike it. Before that, I had an 
> earlier version of a tablet, and I really dislike that as well. At one 
> point, along time ago, I had an android phone, and I never like that 
> thing. I know some people love android products, and that is there right, 
> and their choice. But I am not one of them. I know my iPhone, and other 
> Apple products, can have their limitations. But I can live with those 
> limitations. But thank you again for giving me your thoughts on this 
> matter. I do appreciate it.
> 
> Terri
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 27, 2016, at 10:40 PM, Christopher Chaltain > > wrote:
>> 
>> There's a lot of good reasons not to get an Android tablet, one of which 
>> is that you may not want to learn another interface and screen reader, 
>> but it's getting hard to say that Android tablets aren't very 
>> accessible. Jonathan Mosen has a good article talking about his 
>> experience with an Android phone, and based on that article, and some 
>> other reasons, I got a Samsung S7 Active to go along with my Nexus 7 
>> tablet. The iPhone definitely has it's strengths,

Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was "Questions regarding the IPod"]

2016-07-31 Thread Krister Ekstrom

Lately it has crossed my mind that i want to test Android, just to see how much 
closer it is to iPhone. Yes i know it’s a sinn to think this way, for thou 
shalt not have any other operating systems besides iOs, still i want to know 
how good it is before i totally bash it.:-) It’s good to know a products 
strengths and weeknesses right?
/Krister

> 31 juli 2016 kl. 18:35 skrev Rajmund :
> 
> Hi, Besides, some of us, like myself, hate the OS, putting accessibility 
> aside. I'll get one to play with, but not to replace anything. 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from a Braille Sense 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Krister Ekstrom  
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sunday, July 31, 2016 3:44 pm
> Subject: Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was 
> "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]
> 
>> 
>> 
>> And what about upgradability? Not all Android devices support or have the 
>> latest versions and not all can support them which means that we have even 
>> more special questions to ask the dealers who probably won't know because 
>> they are in big chains and they only sell, they do not know a thing about 
>> what they sell and definitely no blindness specific stuff. At least that's 
>> the way in Sweden now.
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 31 juli 2016 kl. 15:53 skrev Russ Kiehne :
>>> 
>>> That may be, but does android have all of the same apps I use on my ipad 
>>> mini?
>>> 
>>> It's my understanding that voice dream reader is a lot better on the ipad 
>>> than on a android device?
>>> 
>>> From: Kevin Chao 
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 1:33 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was 
>>> "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]
>>> 
>>> Current Android 7 and TalkBack 5 accessibility user experience matches iOS 
>>> 10 VoiceOVEr in most areas and exceeds in other areas.
>>> I'll agree that earlier Android accessibility was sub-optimal  and had a 
>>> lot to be desired, but I'd encourage screen reader users to try modern 
>>> Android TalkBack. You'll be pleasantly surprised, but to be fair it is 
>>> difficult to let go of legacy experiences one may have.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 9:15 PM Terri Stimmel >> > wrote:
 Hello there Christopher,
 
 Thank you for giving you giving me your dots and opinions on android 
 tablets and phones. I really appreciate it. That was very kind of you.
 
 
 
 However, I am not at all interested in having an android cabinet. I tried 
 one a few months ago, and I really dislike it. Before that, I had an 
 earlier version of a tablet, and I really dislike that as well. At one 
 point, along time ago, I had an android phone, and I never like that 
 thing. I know some people love android products, and that is there right, 
 and their choice. But I am not one of them. I know my iPhone, and other 
 Apple products, can have their limitations. But I can live with those 
 limitations. But thank you again for giving me your thoughts on this 
 matter. I do appreciate it.
 
 Terri
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 27, 2016, at 10:40 PM, Christopher Chaltain  > wrote:
> 
> There's a lot of good reasons not to get an Android tablet, one of which 
> is that you may not want to learn another interface and screen reader, 
> but it's getting hard to say that Android tablets aren't very accessible. 
> Jonathan Mosen has a good article talking about his experience with an 
> Android phone, and based on that article, and some other reasons, I got a 
> Samsung S7 Active to go along with my Nexus 7 tablet. The iPhone 
> definitely has it's strengths, but depending on what you do with the 
> phone, an Android phone or tablet is quite accessible.
> 
>> On 27/07/16 15:24, Terri Stimmel wrote:
>> Hello everybody,
>> 
>> Well, I will not be getting an iPod after all.
>> I called AT, to see when I could upgrade my phone. I want more memory 
>> on my phone. I was told I could upgrade in February. I don't know if I 
>> will upgrade now. But I might. Anyway, when I was talking to the lady, 
>> she told me that they were running a great promotion on tablets. I told 
>> her then I would blind, and that I did not want an android tablet 
>> because I didn't feel they were very accessible.
>> So she looked to see what she could offer me. She said she could offer 
>> me an iPad mini, but it was the second generation. I don't know much 
>> about iPads, so I asked her what the latest generation was. She told me 
>> the latest generation wasn't for. So I told her that's what I wanted. I 
>> know I

RE: the u-verse apps

2016-07-31 Thread pattigj1206

This is great, thank you so much, Paul.

I had no idea this was possible.  I had to turn it off on the menus because a 
bunch of channels had no sound, some that never did that before and were my 
favorites but it appears that is what happens with no description or Spanish, 
so I had to turn it all off and go without description

So I am thrilled I  can get it back when I want it, but yes Monica is right, 
Uverse needs to get with it and get accessible boxes.

I’ve ben preaching that sermon to them since I got them, I did the same with  
Time Warner and I’ll continue to nag till it happens, grin.

Patti

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Hunt
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 9:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: the u-verse apps

 

Hello. Here are the steps.

1. Select the remote tab.

2. Double tap the info button.

3. Double tap the Right button twice.

4. Double tap the down button.

5. Double tap the ok button.

To turn off Audio Description, switch channels. Enjoy. 


On Jul 31, 2016, at 6:17 AM,  >  > wrote:

I use the uverse app as well, but how can you turn on audio description with 
it, I have not seen that feature.

Thanks,

Patti

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hunt
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 6:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: the u-verse apps

 

Hello everybody. Yes, the uverse app is accessible for me. I can use the guide, 
manage recordings and turn on audio description.


On Jul 30, 2016, at 11:30 PM, Gordon  > wrote:

I find the At Uverse app to be very accessible. I can view, schedule and 
delete recordings. Watching live tv is also really easy. Haven't played with 
the on demand stuff, but given the layout of everything else I would think that 
it would work well.

 

On 7/30/2016 11:27 PM, Larry Lumpkin wrote:

To those of you subscribed to at’s U-Verse, are you using the ios apps and do 
they have any accessibility problems?  Thanks.

 

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Thermostat confusion.

2016-07-31 Thread englishrider91

So, after we move, I'm thinking of getting either one of those thermostats from 
talkingthermostats.com or a Nest thermostat. I tried googling this one, but I 
don't seem to be getting a proper answer. I don't really understand how 
thermostats work. Not mechanically, but practically. What does setting the 
temperature of the thermostat to 70 degrees actually mean? And is the answer to 
that question different when you're talking about air conditioning versus 
heating?


Thanks,
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Re: the u-verse apps

2016-07-31 Thread Monica Jones

Thanks, I didn’t see this before I asked.

From: Paul Hunt 
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 8:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: the u-verse apps

Hello. Here are the steps.
1. Select the remote tab.
2. Double tap the info button.
3. Double tap the Right button twice.
4. Double tap the down button.
5. Double tap the ok button.
To turn off Audio Description, switch channels. Enjoy. 

On Jul 31, 2016, at 6:17 AM,   
wrote:

  I use the uverse app as well, but how can you turn on audio description with 
it, I have not seen that feature.

  Thanks,

  Patti

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Hunt
  Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 6:43 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: the u-verse apps

  Hello everybody. Yes, the uverse app is accessible for me. I can use the 
guide, manage recordings and turn on audio description.

  On Jul 30, 2016, at 11:30 PM, Gordon  wrote:

I find the At Uverse app to be very accessible. I can view, schedule and 
delete recordings. Watching live tv is also really easy. Haven't played with 
the on demand stuff, but given the layout of everything else I would think that 
it would work well.

On 7/30/2016 11:27 PM, Larry Lumpkin wrote:

  To those of you subscribed to at’s U-Verse, are you using the ios apps 
and do they have any accessibility problems?  Thanks.

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Re: the u-verse apps

2016-07-31 Thread Monica Jones

Can you tell me where to turn on audio description? Maybe I turned it on in 
settings, but I’ll explore. Thanks bunches.

From: Paul Hunt 
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 5:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: the u-verse apps

Hello everybody. Yes, the uverse app is accessible for me. I can use the guide, 
manage recordings and turn on audio description.

On Jul 30, 2016, at 11:30 PM, Gordon  wrote:

  I find the At Uverse app to be very accessible. I can view, schedule and 
delete recordings. Watching live tv is also really easy. Haven't played with 
the on demand stuff, but given the layout of everything else I would think that 
it would work well.

  On 7/30/2016 11:27 PM, Larry Lumpkin wrote:

To those of you subscribed to at’s U-Verse, are you using the ios apps 
and do they have any accessibility problems?  Thanks.

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Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was "Questions regarding the IPod"]

2016-07-31 Thread Rajmund

Hi, Besides, some of us, like myself, hate the OS, putting accessibility aside. 
I'll get one to play with, but not to replace anything. 



Sent from a Braille Sense 

- Original Message -
From: Krister Ekstrom  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 31, 2016 3:44 pm
Subject: Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was 
"Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]

>
>
> And what about upgradability? Not all Android devices support or have the 
> latest versions and not all can support them which means that we have even 
> more special questions to ask the dealers who probably won't know because 
> they are in big chains and they only sell, they do not know a thing about 
> what they sell and definitely no blindness specific stuff. At least that's 
> the way in Sweden now.
> /Krister
> 
> > 31 juli 2016 kl. 15:53 skrev Russ Kiehne :
> > 
> > That may be, but does android have all of the same apps I use on my ipad 
> > mini?
> >  
> > It's my understanding that voice dream reader is a lot better on the ipad 
> > than on a android device?
> >  
> > From: Kevin Chao 
> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 1:33 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> > Subject: Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was 
> > "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]
> >  
> > Current Android 7 and TalkBack 5 accessibility user experience matches iOS 
> > 10 VoiceOVEr in most areas and exceeds in other areas.
> > I'll agree that earlier Android accessibility was sub-optimal  and had a 
> > lot to be desired, but I'd encourage screen reader users to try modern 
> > Android TalkBack. You'll be pleasantly surprised, but to be fair it is 
> > difficult to let go of legacy experiences one may have.
> >  
> > On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 9:15 PM Terri Stimmel  > > wrote:
> >> Hello there Christopher,
> >> 
> >> Thank you for giving you giving me your dots and opinions on android 
> >> tablets and phones. I really appreciate it. That was very kind of you.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> However, I am not at all interested in having an android cabinet. I tried 
> >> one a few months ago, and I really dislike it. Before that, I had an 
> >> earlier version of a tablet, and I really dislike that as well. At one 
> >> point, along time ago, I had an android phone, and I never like that 
> >> thing. I know some people love android products, and that is there right, 
> >> and their choice. But I am not one of them. I know my iPhone, and other 
> >> Apple products, can have their limitations. But I can live with those 
> >> limitations. But thank you again for giving me your thoughts on this 
> >> matter. I do appreciate it.
> >> 
> >> Terri
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >> > On Jul 27, 2016, at 10:40 PM, Christopher Chaltain  >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > There's a lot of good reasons not to get an Android tablet, one of which 
> >> > is that you may not want to learn another interface and screen reader, 
> >> > but it's getting hard to say that Android tablets aren't very 
> >> > accessible. Jonathan Mosen has a good article talking about his 
> >> > experience with an Android phone, and based on that article, and some 
> >> > other reasons, I got a Samsung S7 Active to go along with my Nexus 7 
> >> > tablet. The iPhone definitely has it's strengths, but depending on what 
> >> > you do with the phone, an Android phone or tablet is quite accessible.
> >> >
> >> >> On 27/07/16 15:24, Terri Stimmel wrote:
> >> >> Hello everybody,
> >> >>
> >> >> Well, I will not be getting an iPod after all.
> >> >> I called AT, to see when I could upgrade my phone. I want more memory 
> >> >> on my phone. I was told I could upgrade in February. I don't know if I 
> >> >> will upgrade now. But I might. Anyway, when I was talking to the lady, 
> >> >> she told me that they were running a great promotion on tablets. I told 
> >> >> her then I would blind, and that I did not want an android tablet 
> >> >> because I didn't feel they were very accessible.
> >> >> So she looked to see what she could offer me. She said she could offer 
> >> >> me an iPad mini, but it was the second generation. I don't know much 
> >> >> about iPads, so I asked her what the latest generation was. She told me 
> >> >> the latest generation wasn't for. So I told her that's what I wanted. I 
> >> >> know I will be paying on it for a while, but the payments were small. 
> >> >> So I decided to go with the 64 gig model. I thought that would give me 
> >> >> plenty of space to do whatever I wanted to do. I got it in silver.
> >> >>
> >> >> It should arrive in about five days. I'm very excited about this! No I 
> >> >> don't feel so over whelmed, when it comes to making a decision as to 
> >> >> what kind of device to get, or not to

Re: the u-verse apps

2016-07-31 Thread Monica Jones

Hi, the on demand stuff works well for me most of the time.

From: Gordon 
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: the u-verse apps

I find the At Uverse app to be very accessible. I can view, schedule and 
delete recordings. Watching live tv is also really easy. Haven't played with 
the on demand stuff, but given the layout of everything else I would think that 
it would work well.

On 7/30/2016 11:27 PM, Larry Lumpkin wrote:

  To those of you subscribed to at’s U-Verse, are you using the ios apps and 
do they have any accessibility problems?  Thanks.

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Re: the u-verse apps

2016-07-31 Thread Monica Jones

Hi Larry, I use both the Easy Remote app and the main UVerse app. The latter 
has some minor issues but is mostly accessible. For instance, if I want to 
search for a show on a specific day, sometimes I have a little problem finding 
the button to do this and just small problems with the pickers. However, this 
isn’t predictable. I ight go in there this afternoon and it work fine. I say 
that to say that this might not be accessibility; it could be a slight bug in 
the app, IOS, or VO; I’m just not sure. Give them a whirl; in my opinion, they 
are worth it. I think what UVerse has tried to do is wonderful, but I think 
they need accessibility in their boxes like Comcast. There are some folks who 
don’t have or want an IOS or Android phone. Lol, yeh, I really do know some. 
But some want it and just think they can’t afford it.


From: Larry Lumpkin 
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: the u-verse apps

To those of you subscribed to at’s U-Verse, are you using the ios apps and do 
they have any accessibility problems?  Thanks.

 

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Re: Ring doorbell app

2016-07-31 Thread Georgina Joyce

Hello,

You do know that Chris of Mystic Access has done a short review. It sounds very 
good. I would have got one if it was easy to get in the UK.

Regards,

Gena


> On 31 Jul 2016, at 13:53, grahamnroby via VIPhone  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi sieghard, 
> 
> When yours arrives I'd be very interested to know how  you get. on. with it.  
>  
> I think this could be of real benefit to our community especially for those 
> living alone or those with security concerns. 
> 
> Best
> 
> Graham
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 29 Jul 2016, at 23:38, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> I assume so, like I said, I don't have the Ring doorbell yet, but I'm pretty 
>> sure it's the same as the ring.com website.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: grahamnroby via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 2:44 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Ring doorbell app
>> 
>> Hi sieghard, 
>> Is that  the same as the ring.com app?
>> Kind regards
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 28 Jul 2016, at 23:40, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Graham,
>>> 
>>> I have ordered a Ring Video Doorbell, but since I ordered it using Air 
>>> Miles reward points it can take a bit longer to arrive, they said something 
>>> about mid August. Anyhow, once I have it installed I can provide a review.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: grahamnroby via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 1:06 PM
>>> To: Vi Phone Mailing list Mailing list 
>>> Subject: Ring doorbell app
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Has anyone tried the  ring.com  doorbell app?
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> Graham
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: roger update

2016-07-31 Thread Monica Jones

Hi Walter, I think they do have a search function. I was only saying that 
some of the time, items can't be found by flicking. I wasn't sure if this 
person was a new person or not.



-Original Message- 
From: 'ray t. mahorney' via VIPhone

Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 2:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: roger update

did they put a search function in there and I trust there are more in the
way of public groups?

-Original Message- 
From: Monica Jones

Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 13:06
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: roger update

I'd say it's one of those things you can't find by flicking, only explore by
move and touch.


-Original Message- 
From: 'Simon w' via VIPhone

Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: roger update

I just explore the screen, once the app was installed

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 26, 2016, at 11:03 AM, Dave  wrote:

how did you find the installed public groups, in todays update?

Me and my sister, kind find the publics groups at all!

Dave.

-Original Message- From: 'Simon w' via VIPhone
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 2:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: roger update

The public groups.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 26, 2016, at 8:35 AM, Dave  wrote:

what kind of group, are you refering to?

Do you mean a group, that you created yourself, or one of those public 
groups, that i can no longer find?


Dave.

-Original Message- From: 'Simon w' via VIPhone
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 12:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: roger update

Hi, I  installed the app  with no problems, but once I go into a group, 
how do I go back to the list if I don't want to participate in the group 
anymore?


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 26, 2016, at 7:07 AM, Maria Chapman  
wrote:


HI.

is anyone having problems with the new Roger update?  When I first 
opened the app, I got an add conversation button, and 2 add buttons. 
When I double tapped on them to see what they were, and backed out 
again, they disappeared.  Now all I have is the add conversation button.
The voice over hint says, “start a new conversation, or explore public 
conversations.”
Now the public conversation button seems to be gone.I no longer see 
featured groups. This option seems to have disappeared.


Am I the only one that’s experiencing these bugs?

thanks
Maria

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Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]

2016-07-31 Thread Gordan Radić

Hi!
Before starting this you should read Jonathan Mosen article on
  Android in the Blog part of his site www.mosen.org. It is true
  Android gets better and better but there's so much under the hood
  which needs serious polishing. Try to follow Jonathans steps and
  decide is it better or not.

  S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić

30.7.2016. u 22:33, Kevin Chao je
  napisao/la:

  Current Android 7 and TalkBack 5 accessibility user
experience matches iOS 10 VoiceOVEr in most areas and exceeds in
other areas.
I'll agree that earlier Android accessibility was
  sub-optimal  and had a lot to be desired, but I'd encourage
  screen reader users to try modern Android TalkBack. You'll be
  pleasantly surprised, but to be fair it is difficult to let go
  of legacy experiences one may have. 

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 9:15 PM Terri Stimmel

  wrote:

Hello there
  Christopher,

  Thank you for giving you giving me your dots and opinions on
  android tablets and phones. I really appreciate it. That was
  very kind of you.

  However, I am not at all interested in having an android
  cabinet. I tried one a few months ago, and I really dislike
  it. Before that, I had an earlier version of a tablet, and I
  really dislike that as well. At one point, along time ago, I
  had an android phone, and I never like that thing. I know some
  people love android products, and that is there right, and
  their choice. But I am not one of them. I know my iPhone, and
  other Apple products, can have their limitations. But I can
  live with those limitations. But thank you again for giving me
  your thoughts on this matter. I do appreciate it.

  Terri
  Sent from my iPhone

  > On Jul 27, 2016, at 10:40 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
  >
  > There's a lot of good reasons not to get an Android
  tablet, one of which is that you may not want to learn another
  interface and screen reader, but it's getting hard to say that
  Android tablets aren't very accessible. Jonathan Mosen has a
  good article talking about his experience with an Android
  phone, and based on that article, and some other reasons, I
  got a Samsung S7 Active to go along with my Nexus 7 tablet.
  The iPhone definitely has it's strengths, but depending on
  what you do with the phone, an Android phone or tablet is
  quite accessible.
  >
  >> On 27/07/16 15:24, Terri Stimmel wrote:
  >> Hello everybody,
  >>
  >> Well, I will not be getting an iPod after all.
  >> I called AT, to see when I could upgrade my
  phone. I want more memory on my phone. I was told I could
  upgrade in February. I don't know if I will upgrade now. But I
  might. Anyway, when I was talking to the lady, she told me
  that they were running a great promotion on tablets. I told
  her then I would blind, and that I did not want an android
  tablet because I didn't feel they were very accessible.
  >> So she looked to see what she could offer me. She
  said she could offer me an iPad mini, but it was the second
  generation. I don't know much about iPads, so I asked her what
  the latest generation was. She told me the latest generation
  wasn't for. So I told her that's what I wanted. I know I will
  be paying on it for a while, but the payments were small. So I
  decided to go with the 64 gig model. I thought that would give
  me plenty of space to do whatever I wanted to do. I got it in
  silver.
  >>
  >> It should arrive in about five days. I'm very excited
  about this! No I don't feel so over whelmed, when it comes to
  making a decision as to what kind of device to get, or not to
  get.
  >>
  >> In a little while, I will write a post and ask about
  iPads. Like I said, I don't know much about them. So I need to
  learn some things.
  >>
  >> Thank you all for all of the help and support. I
  really appreciate it
  >>
  >> Thank you, and have a great day!
  >>
  >> Terri

Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]

2016-07-31 Thread Deidre Muccio

These are very important points. Thanks.


Deidre


> On Jul 31, 2016, at 10:44 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> And what about upgradability? Not all Android devices support or have the 
> latest versions and not all can support them which means that we have even 
> more special questions to ask the dealers who probably won’t know because 
> they are in big chains and they only sell, they do not know a thing about 
> what they sell and definitely no blindness specific stuff. At least that’s 
> the way in Sweden now.
> /Krister
> 
>> 31 juli 2016 kl. 15:53 skrev Russ Kiehne :
>> 
>> That may be, but does android have all of the same apps I use on my ipad 
>> mini?
>>  
>> It’s my understanding that voice dream reader is a lot better on the ipad 
>> than on a android device?
>>  
>> From: Kevin Chao
>> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 1:33 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was 
>> "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]
>>  
>> Current Android 7 and TalkBack 5 accessibility user experience matches iOS 
>> 10 VoiceOVEr in most areas and exceeds in other areas.
>> I'll agree that earlier Android accessibility was sub-optimal  and had a lot 
>> to be desired, but I'd encourage screen reader users to try modern Android 
>> TalkBack. You'll be pleasantly surprised, but to be fair it is difficult to 
>> let go of legacy experiences one may have.
>>  
>>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 9:15 PM Terri Stimmel  
>>> wrote:
>>> Hello there Christopher,
>>> 
>>> Thank you for giving you giving me your dots and opinions on android 
>>> tablets and phones. I really appreciate it. That was very kind of you.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> However, I am not at all interested in having an android cabinet. I tried 
>>> one a few months ago, and I really dislike it. Before that, I had an 
>>> earlier version of a tablet, and I really dislike that as well. At one 
>>> point, along time ago, I had an android phone, and I never like that thing. 
>>> I know some people love android products, and that is there right, and 
>>> their choice. But I am not one of them. I know my iPhone, and other Apple 
>>> products, can have their limitations. But I can live with those 
>>> limitations. But thank you again for giving me your thoughts on this 
>>> matter. I do appreciate it.
>>> 
>>> Terri
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> > On Jul 27, 2016, at 10:40 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > There's a lot of good reasons not to get an Android tablet, one of which 
>>> > is that you may not want to learn another interface and screen reader, 
>>> > but it's getting hard to say that Android tablets aren't very accessible. 
>>> > Jonathan Mosen has a good article talking about his experience with an 
>>> > Android phone, and based on that article, and some other reasons, I got a 
>>> > Samsung S7 Active to go along with my Nexus 7 tablet. The iPhone 
>>> > definitely has it's strengths, but depending on what you do with the 
>>> > phone, an Android phone or tablet is quite accessible.
>>> >
>>> >> On 27/07/16 15:24, Terri Stimmel wrote:
>>> >> Hello everybody,
>>> >>
>>> >> Well, I will not be getting an iPod after all.
>>> >> I called AT, to see when I could upgrade my phone. I want more memory 
>>> >> on my phone. I was told I could upgrade in February. I don't know if I 
>>> >> will upgrade now. But I might. Anyway, when I was talking to the lady, 
>>> >> she told me that they were running a great promotion on tablets. I told 
>>> >> her then I would blind, and that I did not want an android tablet 
>>> >> because I didn't feel they were very accessible.
>>> >> So she looked to see what she could offer me. She said she could offer 
>>> >> me an iPad mini, but it was the second generation. I don't know much 
>>> >> about iPads, so I asked her what the latest generation was. She told me 
>>> >> the latest generation wasn't for. So I told her that's what I wanted. I 
>>> >> know I will be paying on it for a while, but the payments were small. So 
>>> >> I decided to go with the 64 gig model. I thought that would give me 
>>> >> plenty of space to do whatever I wanted to do. I got it in silver.
>>> >>
>>> >> It should arrive in about five days. I'm veryexcited about this! No 
>>> >> I don't feel so over whelmed, when it comes to making a decision as to 
>>> >> what kind of device to get, or not to get.
>>> >>
>>> >> In a little while, I will write a post and ask about iPads. Like I said, 
>>> >> I don't know much about them. So I need to learn some things.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thank you all for all of the help and support. I really appreciate it
>>> >>
>>> >> Thank you, and have a great day!
>>> >>
>>> >> Terri
>>> >>
>>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Jul 27, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Carol Forrester  
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sent from

Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]

2016-07-31 Thread Krister Ekstrom

And what about upgradability? Not all Android devices support or have the 
latest versions and not all can support them which means that we have even more 
special questions to ask the dealers who probably won’t know because they are 
in big chains and they only sell, they do not know a thing about what they sell 
and definitely no blindness specific stuff. At least that’s the way in Sweden 
now.
/Krister

> 31 juli 2016 kl. 15:53 skrev Russ Kiehne :
> 
> That may be, but does android have all of the same apps I use on my ipad mini?
>  
> It’s my understanding that voice dream reader is a lot better on the ipad 
> than on a android device?
>  
> From: Kevin Chao 
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 1:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was 
> "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]
>  
> Current Android 7 and TalkBack 5 accessibility user experience matches iOS 10 
> VoiceOVEr in most areas and exceeds in other areas.
> I'll agree that earlier Android accessibility was sub-optimal  and had a lot 
> to be desired, but I'd encourage screen reader users to try modern Android 
> TalkBack. You'll be pleasantly surprised, but to be fair it is difficult to 
> let go of legacy experiences one may have.
>  
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 9:15 PM Terri Stimmel  > wrote:
>> Hello there Christopher,
>> 
>> Thank you for giving you giving me your dots and opinions on android tablets 
>> and phones. I really appreciate it. That was very kind of you.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> However, I am not at all interested in having an android cabinet. I tried 
>> one a few months ago, and I really dislike it. Before that, I had an earlier 
>> version of a tablet, and I really dislike that as well. At one point, along 
>> time ago, I had an android phone, and I never like that thing. I know some 
>> people love android products, and that is there right, and their choice. But 
>> I am not one of them. I know my iPhone, and other Apple products, can have 
>> their limitations. But I can live with those limitations. But thank you 
>> again for giving me your thoughts on this matter. I do appreciate it.
>> 
>> Terri
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Jul 27, 2016, at 10:40 PM, Christopher Chaltain > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > There's a lot of good reasons not to get an Android tablet, one of which 
>> > is that you may not want to learn another interface and screen reader, but 
>> > it's getting hard to say that Android tablets aren't very accessible. 
>> > Jonathan Mosen has a good article talking about his experience with an 
>> > Android phone, and based on that article, and some other reasons, I got a 
>> > Samsung S7 Active to go along with my Nexus 7 tablet. The iPhone 
>> > definitely has it's strengths, but depending on what you do with the 
>> > phone, an Android phone or tablet is quite accessible.
>> >
>> >> On 27/07/16 15:24, Terri Stimmel wrote:
>> >> Hello everybody,
>> >>
>> >> Well, I will not be getting an iPod after all.
>> >> I called AT, to see when I could upgrade my phone. I want more memory 
>> >> on my phone. I was told I could upgrade in February. I don't know if I 
>> >> will upgrade now. But I might. Anyway, when I was talking to the lady, 
>> >> she told me that they were running a great promotion on tablets. I told 
>> >> her then I would blind, and that I did not want an android tablet because 
>> >> I didn't feel they were very accessible.
>> >> So she looked to see what she could offer me. She said she could offer me 
>> >> an iPad mini, but it was the second generation. I don't know much about 
>> >> iPads, so I asked her what the latest generation was. She told me the 
>> >> latest generation wasn't for. So I told her that's what I wanted. I know 
>> >> I will be paying on it for a while, but the payments were small. So I 
>> >> decided to go with the 64 gig model. I thought that would give me plenty 
>> >> of space to do whatever I wanted to do. I got it in silver.
>> >>
>> >> It should arrive in about five days. I'm very excited about this! No I 
>> >> don't feel so over whelmed, when it comes to making a decision as to what 
>> >> kind of device to get, or not to get.
>> >>
>> >> In a little while, I will write a post and ask about iPads. Like I said, 
>> >> I don't know much about them. So I need to learn some things.
>> >>
>> >> Thank you all for all of the help and support. I really appreciate it
>> >>
>> >> Thank you, and have a great day!
>> >>
>> >> Terri
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On Jul 27, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Carol Forrester > >>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>
>>  On 27 Jul 2016, at 19:52, Chris Chaffin >

Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]

2016-07-31 Thread Mary Otten

Voice dream on iOS is much much better than voice dream on android. I have both.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 31, 2016, at 6:53 AM, Russ Kiehne  wrote:
> 
> That may be, but does android have all of the same apps I use on my ipad mini?
>  
> It’s my understanding that voice dream reader is a lot better on the ipad 
> than on a android device?
>  
> From: Kevin Chao
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 1:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was 
> "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]
>  
> Current Android 7 and TalkBack 5 accessibility user experience matches iOS 10 
> VoiceOVEr in most areas and exceeds in other areas.
> I'll agree that earlier Android accessibility was sub-optimal  and had a lot 
> to be desired, but I'd encourage screen reader users to try modern Android 
> TalkBack. You'll be pleasantly surprised, but to be fair it is difficult to 
> let go of legacy experiences one may have.
>  
>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 9:15 PM Terri Stimmel  
>> wrote:
>> Hello there Christopher,
>> 
>> Thank you for giving you giving me your dots and opinions on android tablets 
>> and phones. I really appreciate it. That was very kind of you.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> However, I am not at all interested in having an android cabinet. I tried 
>> one a few months ago, and I really dislike it. Before that, I had an earlier 
>> version of a tablet, and I really dislike that as well. At one point, along 
>> time ago, I had an android phone, and I never like that thing. I know some 
>> people love android products, and that is there right, and their choice. But 
>> I am not one of them. I know my iPhone, and other Apple products, can have 
>> their limitations. But I can live with those limitations. But thank you 
>> again for giving me your thoughts on this matter. I do appreciate it.
>> 
>> Terri
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Jul 27, 2016, at 10:40 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > There's a lot of good reasons not to get an Android tablet, one of which 
>> > is that you may not want to learn another interface and screen reader, but 
>> > it's getting hard to say that Android tablets aren't very accessible. 
>> > Jonathan Mosen has a good article talking about his experience with an 
>> > Android phone, and based on that article, and some other reasons, I got a 
>> > Samsung S7 Active to go along with my Nexus 7 tablet. The iPhone 
>> > definitely has it's strengths, but depending on what you do with the 
>> > phone, an Android phone or tablet is quite accessible.
>> >
>> >> On 27/07/16 15:24, Terri Stimmel wrote:
>> >> Hello everybody,
>> >>
>> >> Well, I will not be getting an iPod after all.
>> >> I called AT, to see when I could upgrade my phone. I want more memory 
>> >> on my phone. I was told I could upgrade in February. I don't know if I 
>> >> will upgrade now. But I might. Anyway, when I was talking to the lady, 
>> >> she told me that they were running a great promotion on tablets. I told 
>> >> her then I would blind, and that I did not want an android tablet because 
>> >> I didn't feel they were very accessible.
>> >> So she looked to see what she could offer me. She said she could offer me 
>> >> an iPad mini, but it was the second generation. I don't know much about 
>> >> iPads, so I asked her what the latest generation was. She told me the 
>> >> latest generation wasn't for. So I told her that's what I wanted. I know 
>> >> I will be paying on it for a while, but the payments were small. So I 
>> >> decided to go with the 64 gig model. I thought that would give me plenty 
>> >> of space to do whatever I wanted to do. I got it in silver.
>> >>
>> >> It should arrive in about five days. I'm very excited about this! No I 
>> >> don't feel so over whelmed, when it comes to making a decision as to what 
>> >> kind of device to get, or not to get.
>> >>
>> >> In a little while, I will write a post and ask about iPads. Like I said, 
>> >> I don't know much about them. So I need to learn some things.
>> >>
>> >> Thank you all for all of the help and support. I really appreciate it
>> >>
>> >> Thank you, and have a great day!
>> >>
>> >> Terri
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On Jul 27, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Carol Forrester  
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>
>>  On 27 Jul 2016, at 19:52, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
>> 
>>  Hello Terri,
>>  Other places other than Apple offer refurbished iPods.  I got both of 
>>  my kids refurbished 5th generation iPods a couple of years ago from 
>>  Walmart.  I have also seen used or refurbished iPods at places like 
>>  Best Buy and Amazon.  Just go to their site and do a search for 
>>  Refurbished iPod and see what comes up.
>> 
>>  For audio books and movies, I would also recommend dropbox to help

RE: Ring doorbell app

2016-07-31 Thread Sieghard Weitzel

Hi Graham,

I'll keep your email address until I get the doorbell and I'll CC you when I 
post something to make sure you don't miss it.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: grahamnroby via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 5:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ring doorbell app

Hi sieghard, 

When yours arrives I'd be very interested to know how  you get. on. with it.   
I think this could be of real benefit to our community especially for those 
living alone or those with security concerns. 

Best

Graham


Sent from my iPad

> On 29 Jul 2016, at 23:38, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I assume so, like I said, I don't have the Ring doorbell yet, but I'm pretty 
> sure it's the same as the ring.com website.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: grahamnroby via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 2:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Ring doorbell app
> 
> Hi sieghard, 
> Is that  the same as the ring.com app?
> Kind regards
> 
> Graham
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 28 Jul 2016, at 23:40, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Graham,
>> 
>> I have ordered a Ring Video Doorbell, but since I ordered it using Air Miles 
>> reward points it can take a bit longer to arrive, they said something about 
>> mid August. Anyhow, once I have it installed I can provide a review.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: grahamnroby via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
>> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 1:06 PM
>> To: Vi Phone Mailing list Mailing list 
>> Subject: Ring doorbell app
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Has anyone tried the  ring.com  doorbell app?
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Graham
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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RE: A new person that got the KNFBf reader

2016-07-31 Thread Sieghard Weitzel

As Richard said, there are several stands, but I would try and learn also to 
use it free-hand since you may be in situations where it is handy to use KNFB 
Reader and you may not have access to a stand. As with everything it is a 
matter of practicing and getting a "feel" for how high you have to hold the 
phone etc. For a regular page you don't have to go higher than a foot (approx.. 
as high as a 8.5x11 sheet is long). It also may help if you could practice a 
bit with a sighted person so they can correct you until you have more 
experience. The feedback the app provides is great, but it is not as good as 
what a sighted person can give you. I always start out by putting my phone on 
ttop of what I want to scan so that the camera is approx. in the middle of the 
page. Of course this means on a regular page the phone has to be in the bottom 
left quarter oof the page since thee phone's camera is at the top right of the 
phone if you face the touch screen (it is just around the back of the phone 
from where the power button is and a bit higher towards the top of the phone). 
If you are scanning a single page it may help you a bit if you lightly fold the 
page in half both ways, where the folds meet is exactly the middle of the page, 
line up the top right corner of your phone at that spot and then try to lift it 
straight away from the page.


Regards,
Sieghard

Original Message-
From: 'simon w' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 1:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A new person that got the KNFBf reader

So far with or without putting my arms on the table I have a hard time keeping 
the phone straight and up to the right level.

-Original Message-
From: Jewel
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 2:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A new person that got the KNFBf reader

Simon!  If voice over says "no text visible", it is dollars to doughnuts that 
simply turning the page over will solve that.
As for the advice about turning the page so many degrees clockwise or anti, I 
ignore that because, from what I can make out, the camera will compensate for 
that on its own.

 Jewel



--
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 5:41 PM
To: 
Subject: RE: A new person that got the KNFBf reader

Hi Simon,

If you double tap on the field of view report button it will tell you 
information about how many edges of the page KNFB Reader can see and how skewed 
your phone is compared to the text. This will be provided in how many degrees 
off you are either clockwise or counterclockwise. Sorry, but I am running the 
Ios 10 Public beta and KNFB Reader currently doesn't work with that so I can't 
give you examples as to what specific wording is used.
There is also an option to turn on tilt guidance and if you have it on your 
phone will vibrate if you are not holding it flat. You can try/practice this by 
putting the phone on a level table. It should not vibrate. Now pick up your 
phone and try to keep it level/flat. If as you lift it up it starts to vibrate 
you know that you are not holding it flat any more. You can then try to 
compensate and see if you can hold it so it stops vibrating.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: 'Simon w' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 7:10 PM
To: reader-us...@nfbnet.org
Cc: CISG ; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: A new person that got the KNFBf reader

After struggling with trying to make sure I had enough credit I am a  new owner 
of the  FB reader! I am manage to Scana bit of text on paper have not been able 
to align myself very well isn't there an
option on the l reader that will tell you   That   the app, has detected 
text you've gotten and
whether your centred correctly

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Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]

2016-07-31 Thread Russ Kiehne

That may be, but does android have all of the same apps I use on my ipad mini?

It’s my understanding that voice dream reader is a lot better on the ipad than 
on a android device?

From: Kevin Chao 
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 1:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was 
"Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]

Current Android 7 and TalkBack 5 accessibility user experience matches iOS 10 
VoiceOVEr in most areas and exceeds in other areas. 
I'll agree that earlier Android accessibility was sub-optimal  and had a lot to 
be desired, but I'd encourage screen reader users to try modern Android 
TalkBack. You'll be pleasantly surprised, but to be fair it is difficult to let 
go of legacy experiences one may have. 

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 9:15 PM Terri Stimmel  
wrote:

  Hello there Christopher,

  Thank you for giving you giving me your dots and opinions on android tablets 
and phones. I really appreciate it. That was very kind of you.

  However, I am not at all interested in having an android cabinet. I tried one 
a few months ago, and I really dislike it. Before that, I had an earlier 
version of a tablet, and I really dislike that as well. At one point, along 
time ago, I had an android phone, and I never like that thing. I know some 
people love android products, and that is there right, and their choice. But I 
am not one of them. I know my iPhone, and other Apple products, can have their 
limitations. But I can live with those limitations. But thank you again for 
giving me your thoughts on this matter. I do appreciate it.

  Terri
  Sent from my iPhone

  > On Jul 27, 2016, at 10:40 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
wrote:
  >
  > There's a lot of good reasons not to get an Android tablet, one of which is 
that you may not want to learn another interface and screen reader, but it's 
getting hard to say that Android tablets aren't very accessible. Jonathan Mosen 
has a good article talking about his experience with an Android phone, and 
based on that article, and some other reasons, I got a Samsung S7 Active to go 
along with my Nexus 7 tablet. The iPhone definitely has it's strengths, but 
depending on what you do with the phone, an Android phone or tablet is quite 
accessible.
  >
  >> On 27/07/16 15:24, Terri Stimmel wrote:
  >> Hello everybody,
  >>
  >> Well, I will not be getting an iPod after all.
  >> I called AT, to see when I could upgrade my phone. I want more memory on 
my phone. I was told I could upgrade in February. I don't know if I will 
upgrade now. But I might. Anyway, when I was talking to the lady, she told me 
that they were running a great promotion on tablets. I told her then I would 
blind, and that I did not want an android tablet because I didn't feel they 
were very accessible.
  >> So she looked to see what she could offer me. She said she could offer me 
an iPad mini, but it was the second generation. I don't know much about iPads, 
so I asked her what the latest generation was. She told me the latest 
generation wasn't for. So I told her that's what I wanted. I know I will be 
paying on it for a while, but the payments were small. So I decided to go with 
the 64 gig model. I thought that would give me plenty of space to do whatever I 
wanted to do. I got it in silver.
  >>
  >> It should arrive in about five days. I'm very excited about this! No I 
don't feel so over whelmed, when it comes to making a decision as to what kind 
of device to get, or not to get.
  >>
  >> In a little while, I will write a post and ask about iPads. Like I said, I 
don't know much about them. So I need to learn some things.
  >>
  >> Thank you all for all of the help and support. I really appreciate it
  >>
  >> Thank you, and have a great day!
  >>
  >> Terri
  >>
  >> Sent from my iPhone
  >>
  >>> On Jul 27, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Carol Forrester  
wrote:
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> Sent from my iPhone
  >>>
   On 27 Jul 2016, at 19:52, Chris Chaffin  wrote:

   Hello Terri,
   Other places other than Apple offer refurbished iPods.  I got both of my 
kids refurbished 5th generation iPods a couple of years ago from Walmart.  I 
have also seen used or refurbished iPods at places like Best Buy and Amazon.  
Just go to their site and do a search for Refurbished iPod and see what comes 
up.

   For audio books and movies, I would also recommend dropbox to help free 
up some space on your phone.  Dropbox is a great storage solution when you do 
not have a lot of space on your phone.

   Hope this helps.

   Chris

  > On Jul 27, 2016, at 1:11 PM, Terri Stimmel 
 wrote:
  >
  > Hi there,Sieghard
  >
  > Thank you for letting me know this. I was wondering if she had given me 
incorrect information. So I did more research into it. It

RE: A new person that got the KNFBf reader

2016-07-31 Thread Sieghard Weitzel

The software  will compensate for a certain amount of skew, but if it totally 
didn't matter how crooked you hold it compared to  the text they probably 
wouldn't have included the announcement.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jewel
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A new person that got the KNFBf reader

Simon!  If voice over says "no text visible", it is dollars to doughnuts that 
simply turning the page over will solve that.
As for the advice about turning the page so many degrees clockwise or anti, I 
ignore that because, from what I can make out, the camera will compensate for 
that on its own.

 Jewel

--
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 5:41 PM
To: 
Subject: RE: A new person that got the KNFBf reader

Hi Simon,

If you double tap on the field of view report button it will tell you 
information about how many edges of the page KNFB Reader can see and how skewed 
your phone is compared to the text. This will be provided in how many degrees 
off you are either clockwise or counterclockwise. Sorry, but I am running the 
Ios 10 Public beta and KNFB Reader currently doesn't work with that so I can't 
give you examples as to what specific wording is used.
There is also an option to turn on tilt guidance and if you have it on your 
phone will vibrate if you are not holding it flat. You can try/practice this by 
putting the phone on a level table. It should not vibrate. Now pick up your 
phone and try to keep it level/flat. If as you lift it up it starts to vibrate 
you know that you are not holding it flat any more. You can then try to 
compensate and see if you can hold it so it stops vibrating.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: 'Simon w' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 7:10 PM
To: reader-us...@nfbnet.org
Cc: CISG ; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: A new person that got the KNFBf reader

After struggling with trying to make sure I had enough credit I am a  new owner 
of the  FB reader! I am manage to Scana bit of text on paper have not been able 
to align myself very well isn't there an 
option on the l reader that will tell you   That   the app, has detected 
text you've gotten and 
whether your centred correctly

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Re: the u-verse apps

2016-07-31 Thread Paul Hunt

Hello. Here are the steps.
1. Select the remote tab.
2. Double tap the info button.
3. Double tap the Right button twice.
4. Double tap the down button.
5. Double tap the ok button.
To turn off Audio Description, switch channels. Enjoy. 

> On Jul 31, 2016, at 6:17 AM,   
> wrote:
> 
> I use the uverse app as well, but how can you turn on audio description with 
> it, I have not seen that feature.
> Thanks,
> Patti
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Paul Hunt
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 6:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: the u-verse apps
>  
> Hello everybody. Yes, the uverse app is accessible for me. I can use the 
> guide, manage recordings and turn on audio description.
> 
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> that it would work well.
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Re: Ring doorbell app

2016-07-31 Thread grahamnroby via VIPhone

Hi sieghard, 

When yours arrives I'd be very interested to know how  you get. on. with it.   
I think this could be of real benefit to our community especially for those 
living alone or those with security concerns. 

Best

Graham


Sent from my iPad

> On 29 Jul 2016, at 23:38, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
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> I assume so, like I said, I don't have the Ring doorbell yet, but I'm pretty 
> sure it's the same as the ring.com website.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Hi sieghard, 
> Is that  the same as the ring.com app?
> Kind regards
> 
> Graham
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On 28 Jul 2016, at 23:40, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Graham,
>> 
>> I have ordered a Ring Video Doorbell, but since I ordered it using Air Miles 
>> reward points it can take a bit longer to arrive, they said something about 
>> mid August. Anyhow, once I have it installed I can provide a review.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> Has anyone tried the  ring.com  doorbell app?
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Re: A new person that got the KNFBf reader

2016-07-31 Thread Richard Turner

here is a link to my web site describing and providing links to several 
scanning stands. Fopydo is my favorite:
http://www.turner42.x10host.com/ScanningStands.html

(Sent from my iPhone 5S)

On Jul 31, 2016, at 12:20 AM, 'Simon w' via VIPhone 
> wrote:

Hi when I first got the program, I was able to get the vibration, but for some 
reason now I don't seem to get it anymore, and I have tried but if you times to 
scan a document sometimes it reads OK and of the times and didn't do as good I 
don't know is there any stand I could get maybe that might help a bit

Sent from my iPhone

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> wrote:

Hi Simon,

If you double tap on the field of view report button it will tell you 
information about how many edges of the page KNFB Reader can see and how skewed 
your phone is compared to the text. This will be provided in how many degrees 
off you are either clockwise or counterclockwise. Sorry, but I am running the 
Ios 10 Public beta and KNFB Reader currently doesn't work with that so I can't 
give you examples as to what specific wording is used.
There is also an option to turn on tilt guidance and if you have it on your 
phone will vibrate if you are not holding it flat. You can try/practice this by 
putting the phone on a level table. It should not vibrate. Now pick up your 
phone and try to keep it level/flat. If as you lift it up it starts to vibrate 
you know that you are not holding it flat any more. You can then try to 
compensate and see if you can hold it so it stops vibrating.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Subject: A new person that got the KNFBf reader

After struggling with trying to make sure I had enough credit I am a  new owner 
of the  FB reader! I am manage to Scana bit of text on paper have not been able 
to align myself very well isn't there an option on the l reader that will tell 
you   That   the app, has detected text you've gotten and whether your 
centred correctly

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RE: the u-verse apps

2016-07-31 Thread pattigj1206

I use the uverse app as well, but how can you turn on audio description with 
it, I have not seen that feature.

Thanks,

Patti

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Hunt
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: the u-verse apps

 

Hello everybody. Yes, the uverse app is accessible for me. I can use the guide, 
manage recordings and turn on audio description.


On Jul 30, 2016, at 11:30 PM, Gordon  > wrote:

I find the At Uverse app to be very accessible. I can view, schedule and 
delete recordings. Watching live tv is also really easy. Haven't played with 
the on demand stuff, but given the layout of everything else I would think that 
it would work well.

 

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To those of you subscribed to at’s U-Verse, are you using the ios apps and do 
they have any accessibility problems?  Thanks.

 

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Re: the u-verse apps

2016-07-31 Thread Paul Hunt

Hello everybody. Yes, the uverse app is accessible for me. I can use the guide, 
manage recordings and turn on audio description.

> On Jul 30, 2016, at 11:30 PM, Gordon  wrote:
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> I find the At Uverse app to be very accessible. I can view, schedule and 
> delete recordings. Watching live tv is also really easy. Haven't played with 
> the on demand stuff, but given the layout of everything else I would think 
> that it would work well.
> 
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Re: A new person that got the KNFBf reader

2016-07-31 Thread 'simon w' via VIPhone

So far with or without putting my arms on the table I have a hard time 
keeping the phone straight and up to the right level.

-Original Message- 
From: Jewel

Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 2:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A new person that got the KNFBf reader

Simon!  If voice over says "no text visible", it is dollars to doughnuts 
that simply turning the

page over will solve that.
As for the advice about turning the page so many degrees clockwise or anti, 
I ignore that because,

from what I can make out, the camera will compensate for that on its own.

Jewel

--
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 5:41 PM
To: 
Subject: RE: A new person that got the KNFBf reader

Hi Simon,

If you double tap on the field of view report button it will tell you 
information about how many
edges of the page KNFB Reader can see and how skewed your phone is compared 
to the text. This will
be provided in how many degrees off you are either clockwise or 
counterclockwise. Sorry, but I am
running the Ios 10 Public beta and KNFB Reader currently doesn't work with 
that so I can't give you

examples as to what specific wording is used.
There is also an option to turn on tilt guidance and if you have it on your 
phone will vibrate if
you are not holding it flat. You can try/practice this by putting the phone 
on a level table. It
should not vibrate. Now pick up your phone and try to keep it level/flat. If 
as you lift it up it
starts to vibrate you know that you are not holding it flat any more. You 
can then try to compensate

and see if you can hold it so it stops vibrating.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 7:10 PM
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Subject: A new person that got the KNFBf reader

After struggling with trying to make sure I had enough credit I am a  new 
owner of the  FB reader! I
am manage to Scana bit of text on paper have not been able to align myself 
very well isn't there an
option on the l reader that will tell you   That   the app, has detected 
text you've gotten and

whether your centred correctly

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Re: A new person that got the KNFBf reader

2016-07-31 Thread 'Simon w' via VIPhone

Hi when I first got the program, I was able to get the vibration, but for some 
reason now I don't seem to get it anymore, and I have tried but if you times to 
scan a document sometimes it reads OK and of the times and didn't do as good I 
don't know is there any stand I could get maybe that might help a bit

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 31, 2016, at 1:41 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> If you double tap on the field of view report button it will tell you 
> information about how many edges of the page KNFB Reader can see and how 
> skewed your phone is compared to the text. This will be provided in how many 
> degrees off you are either clockwise or counterclockwise. Sorry, but I am 
> running the Ios 10 Public beta and KNFB Reader currently doesn't work with 
> that so I can't give you examples as to what specific wording is used.
> There is also an option to turn on tilt guidance and if you have it on your 
> phone will vibrate if you are not holding it flat. You can try/practice this 
> by putting the phone on a level table. It should not vibrate. Now pick up 
> your phone and try to keep it level/flat. If as you lift it up it starts to 
> vibrate you know that you are not holding it flat any more. You can then try 
> to compensate and see if you can hold it so it stops vibrating.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
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> Subject: A new person that got the KNFBf reader
> 
> After struggling with trying to make sure I had enough credit I am a  new 
> owner of the  FB reader! I am manage to Scana bit of text on paper have not 
> been able to align myself very well isn't there an option on the l reader 
> that will tell you   That   the app, has detected text you've gotten and 
> whether your centred correctly
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Re: Hop stop... Aka transit ap questions.

2016-07-31 Thread Robert Wright

Let me know how it works for you. Skype Talmudic
Dice world DocWright




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> On Jul 30, 2016, at 7:59 AM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
> 
> Thanks! I'll try that! (smile) 
> 
> Jenifer Barr
> Jenifer571 on dice world
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>> On Jul 30, 2016, at 6:30 AM, Robert Doc Wright  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Have you used the search field? Put in your destination and enter, then I 
>> believe you choose "directions to here". Then another edit field will show. 
>> Enter your other address then click route. there will be a button between 
>> that says switch. this is how you reverse the route.
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>> picking it back up!
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Jenifer Barr
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 5:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: Hop stop... Aka transit ap questions.
>> 
>> Hi. That's what I have... "Transit" but I thought it was also called "hop 
>> stop?" What I can't figure out is how it will give me reverse routs. 
>> Meaning... When I check bus arrivals or departure, it still gives me the 
>> rout as if I was coming home from work, not going to work. 
>> 
>> Jenifer Barr
>> Jenifer571 on dice world
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 29, 2016, at 5:13 AM, Robert Doc Wright  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> have you checked out the app "Transit"? This gives you up to the second on 
>>> bus arrivals.
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>>> picking it back up!
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>>> To: iPhone List
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:23 PM
>>> Subject: Hop stop... Aka transit ap questions.
>>> 
>>> Hi all.
>>> Has anyone used this ap? Will it tell you bus stops as you are passing 
>>> them? I know blind square will... But what is the difference between the ap 
>>> hopstop and blind square for public transportation? Just curious.
>>> Thanks
>>> 
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Re: A new person that got the KNFBf reader

2016-07-31 Thread Jewel

Simon!  If voice over says "no text visible", it is dollars to doughnuts that 
simply turning the 
page over will solve that.
As for the advice about turning the page so many degrees clockwise or anti, I 
ignore that because, 
from what I can make out, the camera will compensate for that on its own.

 Jewel



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Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 5:41 PM
To: 
Subject: RE: A new person that got the KNFBf reader

Hi Simon,

If you double tap on the field of view report button it will tell you 
information about how many 
edges of the page KNFB Reader can see and how skewed your phone is compared to 
the text. This will 
be provided in how many degrees off you are either clockwise or 
counterclockwise. Sorry, but I am 
running the Ios 10 Public beta and KNFB Reader currently doesn't work with that 
so I can't give you 
examples as to what specific wording is used.
There is also an option to turn on tilt guidance and if you have it on your 
phone will vibrate if 
you are not holding it flat. You can try/practice this by putting the phone on 
a level table. It 
should not vibrate. Now pick up your phone and try to keep it level/flat. If as 
you lift it up it 
starts to vibrate you know that you are not holding it flat any more. You can 
then try to compensate 
and see if you can hold it so it stops vibrating.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: 'Simon w' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 7:10 PM
To: reader-us...@nfbnet.org
Cc: CISG ; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: A new person that got the KNFBf reader

After struggling with trying to make sure I had enough credit I am a  new owner 
of the  FB reader! I 
am manage to Scana bit of text on paper have not been able to align myself very 
well isn't there an 
option on the l reader that will tell you   That   the app, has detected 
text you've gotten and 
whether your centred correctly

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