RE: for Joshua

[Simon A Fogarty]

I've never had a situation where apple have forced me to take on an update to 
my devices.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, 31 August 2020 1:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: for Joshua

Apple already aggressively pushes out updates to their devices, for example, 
within a few days of a release, you won't be able to roll back to a previous 
release. Plus they drop pushing out security updates once a newer release has 
been deployed. With the adoption rate Apple has with new releases, I doubt it 
would be a serious PR issue for them to stop providing customer support for a 
release that's been superseded by a newer release that's still getting security 
updates. Apple wouldn't be the first company  to ask you to update to a newer 
version of software before providing you support. Sometimes this is legitimate, 
since newer versions of the software will contain fixes for issues being 
reported to customer support. . You may be able to stay on IOS 12.4.1, but 
there's no guarantee that Apple will continue to provide customer support for 
an unsupported version of IOS.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with you staying on IOS 12.4.1 as 
long as you want. My only reason for posting is to let others know that there's 
no obligation or guarantee from Apple to support 12.4.1 forever. Plus, anyone 
who stays on IOS 12.4.1 will be missing out on security patches and may not get 
support from app developers on 12.4.1. I'm totally on board with people having 
the right to choose, as long as they're given accurate information to make that 
choice.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Robin
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 4:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: for Joshua
> 
> Oh, but "They"  Because I have  AppleCare+ on it, & it would be a  Bad 
> PR Move not to  Support  it. Pressuring a  Consumer to Update a  
> SoftwareVersion, which "They" (Apple) deemed ReadyFor PublicRelease . 
> It's MyRight, as a  Consumer Not to Update MyDevice'sSoftware & there 
> isn't  AnyWhere in AppleCare+ that Sayz that I must, & I  Called & 
> CheckedWith  Apple's AppleAccessibility TelephoneSupport, &  "They"
> indicated  that I wouldn't Be Denied & that's that.
> 
> At 08:33 AM 8/30/2020, you wrote:
> >I'm not sure why you think Apple can't deny you telephone support for 
> >an older unsupported version of IOS. You may be getting telephone 
> >support for now, but I doubt it'll last forever.
> >I'm pretty sure Apple isn't releasing security updates for 12.4.1 any 
> >more either. Plus there's nothing that says app developers have to 
> >continue to support 12.4.1.
> >
> >--
> >Christopher (AKA CJ)
> >Chaltain at Gmail
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On
> Behalf
> > > Of Robin
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:59 PM
> > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: for Joshua
> > >
> > > Okay, Ms. Shirley
> > >After I  received  Your MessagePosting, which  AppearsBelow 
> > > this MessagePosting of Mine,  I  decided to Call Apple's 
> > > AppleAccessibility TelephoneSupport @ 877-204-3930, To InQuire 
> > > about "what" you said, &  I was informed that I wouldn't Be Denied 
> > > TelephoneSupport from Apple's AppleAccessibility because I  
> > > refused to update  My VZW XS  MAX  from
> > > iOS12.4.1 to  WhatEver is the Latest iOS13 iteration.
> > >
> > > (I  Presume)
> > > it's because  I  didn't  Update Past iOS12,
> > as  if I did  "they" could say  that the
> > > BugFixes were Resolved in a  Future iOS
> > update of iOS13, but since I  refused to
> > > UpdatePast iOS12.4.1, I can't Be Denied TelephoneSupport from 
> > > AppleAccessibility on My VZW XS MAX At 06:30 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
> > > >I just hope the device you don't have it on, you won't need help 
> > > >from Apple Accessibility because they told me they require you to 
> > > >have whatever device you're requesting help with, to be updated 
> > > >to the latest version or they won't help you so every since they 
> > > >told me that, I make sure my devices are all updated.
> > > >
> > > >Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > > > On Aug 29, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Robin  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You Ask? How will "I Know"?
> > > > > If Ya ReadMyReplyMessagePosting to
> > > > ThisThread, I  said, that I  have Apple's iOS13 on My VZW 11PRO 
> > > > PrimarilyBecause that is the iOS version that it was 
> > > > LaunchedWith, but My VZW XS MAX wasn't, & Because of  TheBugs
> > > > AssociatedWith iOS13, I   Refuse to Update  it
> > > > to iOS13, so it Remains on  its Last Update, which  is iOS12.4.1.
> > > > > MayBe just MayBe
> > > > > You're More TechSavy than I  am. Yeah,
> > > > that's  MostLikely TheCase, as I'm not that TechSavy
> > > > >
> > > > > MyApologies, if this MessagePosting
> > offends, as it isn't intended 

RE: Smart Bulbs With Alexa?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Makes sense that in a rental situation you wouldn't want to spend a lot of 
money for installation and such and in any case, you would have to first get 
permission and all that.
Not sure why you don't find Hue products on Amazon.ca, there are dozens and all 
you have to do is search for "Philips Hue". Anyways, below is one particular 
light bulb, at $59.99 it's also more expensive, but apparently it can be 
controlled bia Bluetooth and you don't need the Hue Bridge which is what we 
have and what has to be connected to your router with an ethernet cable. It 
says you can control up to 10 bulbs with the Hue Bluetooth app and this might 
be all you need if you just want 2 or 3 bulbs. But I'd check out the starter 
kits, if you buy 3 bulbs for $60 that is also $180 and you can probably buy a 
starter kit with a bridge and 2 bulbs for not much more and then you can buy 
much less expensive bulbs. I also assume that Bluetooth controlled bulbs limit 
you to Bluetooth range whereas if you have the Hue bridge you can control your 
lights from anywhere even if you are not at home.

https://www.amazon.ca/Hue-Ambiance-Bluetooth-compatible-activated/dp/B07RNFZ47M/ref=sr_1_6?dchild=1=Philips+Hue=1598848332=8-6


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fazil
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 1:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Smart Bulbs With Alexa?

Thanks much, Sieghard, for this detailed answer. I do appreciate for that
I am a tenant and I don’t want to spend money on smart switches and electrician 
but smart bulb is a vible option at this time for me.
I tried to find Flip Hue bulbs on Amazon but I couldn’t find those.
Do you think that you can find for me and send me link?
I am looking four-pack.
Thanks again!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 10:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Smart Bulbs With Alexa?

Yes to all 3 questions is correct, but keep in mind that if your mechanical 
switch is turned off the smart bulb will not work. We have Philips Hue bulbs 
and lights throughout our house. For my wife and myself this is no problem, all 
our switches are usually turned on and we just ask Alexa or our Google 
Assistant or SIRI (Philips Hue works with all 3) to turn off whichever light. 
However, when we have visitors they are often confused, so let's say they walk 
into the bathroom and press the decora wall switch which is in the on position, 
but the light is turned off via the smart bulb, then of course nothing happens 
because they just turned off the light. Then they usually press the switch 
again the other way and of course the light now comes on. When they leave the 
room the turn it off again and at that point my wife or I first would have to 
go around the house and turn on all the switches when the visitor or visitors 
are gone and then carry on with using voice controls to turn off the lights.
I bought most of the Philips Hue bulbs years ago when there were not as many 
options available, but if I had to do it over I would not buy smart bulbs but 
rather smart switches. Yes, you have to get an electrician to install them and 
depending on how old the place is there is a small chance they may not work 
because they require a third "neutral" wire" which in some older installations 
is not there, but if it is there I would absolutely go for smart switches 
instead because they work regardless whether somebody just pushed them to turn 
off the lights. The switches from Meross are quite good, they are not as 
expensive and work with Alexa and Google Assistant, also very good are the ones 
from TP Linka nd Lutron. I just did a huge renovation on a new building I 
bought for my retail business and I chose to spend $1,000 on Leviton smart 
switches. I bought the main switches for $54.99 Canadian from a company called 
Aartech Canada, the nice thing is that for $29.99 you can buy what basically is 
a remote control switch for 3-way or 4-way installations. These are switches 
which communicate via Z-Wave so they are not Wi-Fi, but Leviton also makes a 
Wi-Fi version of the switch. I bought these because I have an alarm system from 
Alarm.com and these switches communicate via Z-Wave with the alarm panel and I 
can use the Alarm.com app to control the lights, I think you can also set up 
SIRI shortcuts and possibly Alexa and google Assistant integration, havent
Really explored this yet. I am pretty sure the Wi-Fi version of the switch is 
compatible with SIRI, Alexa and google Assistant. These are basicallyu 
decora-type in-wall switches and they are of very good quality and look nice. A 
Smart bulb is cheaper especially if you don't get the ones which support 
colours and for Fasil if he just wants 2 or 3 bulbs this may still be the 
better way to go, but in any larger application or a new house I'd never put 
anything but actual smart switches.

Best regards,
Sieghard

From: 

Re: IOS updates [was "RE: for Joshua"]

[Robin]

That's "why" I won't Update My XS MAX & its Not 
Too Old of an iOSDevice  for Apple to DenySupport


Don't Hate? Congratulate!
At 07:36 PM 8/30/2020, you wrote:
The reason Apple pushed out IOS 12.4.7 on May 
20, 2020, is to support those devices that Apple 
still supports but which don't support IOS 13. 
The following page says that IOS 12.4.7 is 
available for iPhone 5s, iPhone 6, iPhone 6 
Plus, iPad Air, iPad mini 2, iPad mini 3, and 
iPod touch 6th generation. The iPhone XS is not 
listed. The only version of IOS listed for the 
XS is IOS 13. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222


--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Robin
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 9:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: for Joshua
>
> if "what" ya say  IS True, then "why" Did 
Apple PushOut iOS SecurityUpdates  to

> Older iOSVersions Like iOS9 & iOS10 as well as iOS12, When their
> (current) iteration of iOS IS iOS13?
> Because of  the PR i.e., SecurityBreaches to 
those Versions of iOS Don'tKnow

> "why" You AppleFanBoyz Push Others to Update Their iOSDevices, & Hate on
> Them when Doing so, Breaks "accessibility" 
For Them & They Criticize Apple for

> its "Bugs" & Flaws"
> i.e., the "Bugs" & "Flaws" of iOS8  &
> MoreRecently iOS13, as Apple quickly Relased & PushedOut  iOSUpdates within
> 72Hours of the Relase of a  NEW iPhone
>
> At 06:49 PM 8/30/2020, you wrote:
> >Apple already aggressively pushes out updates to their devices, for
> >example, within a few days of a release, you won't be able to roll back
> >to a previous release. Plus they drop pushing out security updates once
> >a newer release has been deployed. With the adoption rate Apple has
> >with new releases, I doubt it would be a serious PR issue for them to
> >stop providing customer support for a release that's been superseded by
> >a newer release that's still getting security updates. Apple wouldn't
> >be the first company  to ask you to update to a newer version of
> >software before providing you support. Sometimes this is legitimate,
> >since newer versions of the software will contain fixes for issues
> >being reported to customer support. . You may be able to stay on IOS
> >12.4.1, but there's no guarantee that Apple will continue to provide
> >customer support for an unsupported version of IOS.
> >
> >Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with you staying on IOS
> >12.4.1 as long as you want.
> >My only reason for posting is to let others know that there's no
> >obligation or guarantee from Apple to support 12.4.1 forever. Plus,
> >anyone who stays on IOS 12.4.1 will be missing out on security patches
> >and may not get support from app developers on 12.4.1. I'm totally on
> >board with people having the right to choose, as long as they're given
> >accurate information to make that choice.
> >
> >--
> >Christopher (AKA CJ)
> >Chaltain at Gmail
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On
> Behalf
> > > Of Robin
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 4:04 PM
> > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: for Joshua
> > >
> > > Oh, but "They"  Because I have  AppleCare+ on
> > it, & it would be a  Bad PR Move
> > > not to  Support  it. Pressuring a  Consumer
> > to Update a  SoftwareVersion, which
> > > "They" (Apple) deemed ReadyFor PublicRelease . It's MyRight, as a
> > > Consumer Not to Update MyDevice'sSoftware & there isn't  AnyWhere in
> > > AppleCare+ that Sayz that I must, & I  Called & CheckedWith  Apple's
> > > AppleAccessibility TelephoneSupport, &  "They"
> > > indicated  that I wouldn't Be Denied & that's that.
> > >
> > > At 08:33 AM 8/30/2020, you wrote:
> > > >I'm not sure why you think Apple can't deny you telephone support
> > > >for an older unsupported version of IOS. You may be getting
> > > >telephone support for now, but I doubt it'll last forever.
> > > >I'm pretty sure Apple isn't releasing security updates for 12.4.1
> > > >any more either. Plus there's nothing that says app developers have
> > > >to continue to support 12.4.1.
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >Christopher (AKA CJ)
> > > >Chaltain at Gmail
> > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On
> > > Behalf
> > > > > Of Robin
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:59 PM
> > > > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: for Joshua
> > > > >
> > > > > Okay, Ms. Shirley
> > > > >After I  received  Your MessagePosting, which  AppearsBelow
> > > > > this MessagePosting of Mine,  I  decided to Call Apple's
> > > > > AppleAccessibility TelephoneSupport @ 877-204-3930, To InQuire
> > > > > about "what" you said, &  I was informed that I wouldn't Be
> > > > > Denied TelephoneSupport from Apple's AppleAccessibility because
> > > > > I  refused to update  My VZW XS  MAX  from
> > > > > iOS12.4.1 to  WhatEver is the Latest iOS13 iteration.
> > > > >
> > > > > (I  Presume)
> > > > > 

IOS updates [was "RE: for Joshua"]

[chaltain]

The reason Apple pushed out IOS 12.4.7 on May 20, 2020, is to support those 
devices that Apple still supports but which don't support IOS 13. The following 
page says that IOS 12.4.7 is available for iPhone 5s, iPhone 6, iPhone 6 Plus, 
iPad Air, iPad mini 2, iPad mini 3, and iPod touch 6th generation. The iPhone 
XS is not listed. The only version of IOS listed for the XS is IOS 13. 
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Robin
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 9:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: for Joshua
> 
> if "what" ya say  IS True, then "why" Did Apple PushOut iOS SecurityUpdates  
> to
> Older iOSVersions Like iOS9 & iOS10 as well as iOS12, When their
> (current) iteration of iOS IS iOS13?
> Because of  the PR i.e., SecurityBreaches to those Versions of iOS Don'tKnow
> "why" You AppleFanBoyz Push Others to Update Their iOSDevices, & Hate on
> Them when Doing so, Breaks "accessibility" For Them & They Criticize Apple for
> its "Bugs" & Flaws"
> i.e., the "Bugs" & "Flaws" of iOS8  &
> MoreRecently iOS13, as Apple quickly Relased & PushedOut  iOSUpdates within
> 72Hours of the Relase of a  NEW iPhone
> 
> At 06:49 PM 8/30/2020, you wrote:
> >Apple already aggressively pushes out updates to their devices, for
> >example, within a few days of a release, you won't be able to roll back
> >to a previous release. Plus they drop pushing out security updates once
> >a newer release has been deployed. With the adoption rate Apple has
> >with new releases, I doubt it would be a serious PR issue for them to
> >stop providing customer support for a release that's been superseded by
> >a newer release that's still getting security updates. Apple wouldn't
> >be the first company  to ask you to update to a newer version of
> >software before providing you support. Sometimes this is legitimate,
> >since newer versions of the software will contain fixes for issues
> >being reported to customer support. . You may be able to stay on IOS
> >12.4.1, but there's no guarantee that Apple will continue to provide
> >customer support for an unsupported version of IOS.
> >
> >Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with you staying on IOS
> >12.4.1 as long as you want.
> >My only reason for posting is to let others know that there's no
> >obligation or guarantee from Apple to support 12.4.1 forever. Plus,
> >anyone who stays on IOS 12.4.1 will be missing out on security patches
> >and may not get support from app developers on 12.4.1. I'm totally on
> >board with people having the right to choose, as long as they're given
> >accurate information to make that choice.
> >
> >--
> >Christopher (AKA CJ)
> >Chaltain at Gmail
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On
> Behalf
> > > Of Robin
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 4:04 PM
> > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: for Joshua
> > >
> > > Oh, but "They"  Because I have  AppleCare+ on
> > it, & it would be a  Bad PR Move
> > > not to  Support  it. Pressuring a  Consumer
> > to Update a  SoftwareVersion, which
> > > "They" (Apple) deemed ReadyFor PublicRelease . It's MyRight, as a
> > > Consumer Not to Update MyDevice'sSoftware & there isn't  AnyWhere in
> > > AppleCare+ that Sayz that I must, & I  Called & CheckedWith  Apple's
> > > AppleAccessibility TelephoneSupport, &  "They"
> > > indicated  that I wouldn't Be Denied & that's that.
> > >
> > > At 08:33 AM 8/30/2020, you wrote:
> > > >I'm not sure why you think Apple can't deny you telephone support
> > > >for an older unsupported version of IOS. You may be getting
> > > >telephone support for now, but I doubt it'll last forever.
> > > >I'm pretty sure Apple isn't releasing security updates for 12.4.1
> > > >any more either. Plus there's nothing that says app developers have
> > > >to continue to support 12.4.1.
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >Christopher (AKA CJ)
> > > >Chaltain at Gmail
> > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On
> > > Behalf
> > > > > Of Robin
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:59 PM
> > > > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: for Joshua
> > > > >
> > > > > Okay, Ms. Shirley
> > > > >After I  received  Your MessagePosting, which  AppearsBelow
> > > > > this MessagePosting of Mine,  I  decided to Call Apple's
> > > > > AppleAccessibility TelephoneSupport @ 877-204-3930, To InQuire
> > > > > about "what" you said, &  I was informed that I wouldn't Be
> > > > > Denied TelephoneSupport from Apple's AppleAccessibility because
> > > > > I  refused to update  My VZW XS  MAX  from
> > > > > iOS12.4.1 to  WhatEver is the Latest iOS13 iteration.
> > > > >
> > > > > (I  Presume)
> > > > > it's because  I  didn't  Update Past iOS12,
> > > > as  if I did  "they" could say  that the
> > > > > BugFixes were Resolved in a  Future iOS
> > > > update of iOS13, 

Re: for Joshua

[Robin]

Great to Hear that! No HardFeelin's Here either.

At 06:57 PM 8/30/2020, you wrote:
No problem with anyone here. I always update 
within a few days after an update has come out 
for the reasons others have stated.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 30, 2020, at 8:53 PM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Thanks Sherry. Yes, I was agreeing with 
Shirley and disagreeing with Robin. In fact, I 
assumed Shirley's response was directed at 
Robin's message, the same message I was responding to.

>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of sherrywells1...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 1:55 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: for Joshua
>>
>> Christopher wasn't saying he didn't believe 
you.  He was saying he didn't know
>> why you would think Apple could not refuse 
to help you unless you were on a

>> more current version.  Reread his post more carefully.
>>
>> Sherry Wells
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of Shirley Baker
>> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 2:00 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: for Joshua
>>
>> I didn't think it up. This is what they told 
me and I can't help what your opinion
>> might be but this particular person would 
not help me unless I updated my phone
>> at that time. Whatever you believe is not my 
problem. I'm just telling you what

>> that person said so I did what they told me to do and have ever since.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
 On Aug 30, 2020, at 10:33 AM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not sure why you think Apple can't 
deny you telephone support for an older
>> unsupported version of IOS. You may be 
getting telephone support for now, but
>> I doubt it'll last forever. I'm pretty sure 
Apple isn't releasing security updates for
>> 12.4.1 any more either. Plus there's nothing 
that says app developers have to

>> continue to support 12.4.1.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>>> Chaltain at Gmail
>>>
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On
>> Behalf
 Of Robin
 Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:59 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: for Joshua

 Okay, Ms. Shirley
  After I  received  Your MessagePosting, which  AppearsBelow this
 MessagePosting of Mine,  I  decided to Call Apple's
 AppleAccessibility TelephoneSupport @ 877-204-3930, To InQuire about
 "what" you said, &  I was informed that I wouldn't Be Denied
 TelephoneSupport from Apple's AppleAccessibility because I  refused
 to update  My VZW XS  MAX  from
 iOS12.4.1 to  WhatEver is the Latest iOS13 iteration.

 (I  Presume)
 it's because  I  didn't  Update Past iOS12, as  if I did  "they"
 could say  that the BugFixes were Resolved in a  Future iOS update of
 iOS13, but since I  refused to UpdatePast iOS12.4.1, I can't Be
 Denied TelephoneSupport from AppleAccessibility on My VZW XS MAX At
>> 06:30 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
> I just hope the device you don't have it on, you won't need help
> from Apple Accessibility because they told me they require you to
> have whatever device you're requesting help with, to be updated to
> the latest version or they won't help you so every since they told
> me that, I make sure my devices are all updated.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>>> On Aug 29, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Robin  wrote:
>>>
>>> You Ask? How will "I Know"?
>>> If Ya ReadMyReplyMessagePosting to
> ThisThread, I  said, that I  have Apple's iOS13 on My VZW 11PRO
> PrimarilyBecause that is the iOS version that it was LaunchedWith,
> but My VZW XS MAX wasn't, & Because of  TheBugs
> AssociatedWith iOS13, I   Refuse to Update  it
> to iOS13, so it Remains on  its Last Update, which  is iOS12.4.1.
>> MayBe just MayBe
>> You're More TechSavy than I  am. Yeah,
> that's  MostLikely TheCase, as I'm not that TechSavy
>>
>> MyApologies, if this MessagePosting 
offends, as it isn't intended ToDoSo.

>> I'm just Stating-the-Facts, as  "I  See" them
>>
>> Blessin's to Those on ThisThread
>> At 01:56 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
>>> It's not that bad. How would you know how
> bad it is since you haven't updated? Some people are just
> unnecessarily paranoid.It's not that bad.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Aug 29, 2020, at 3:31 PM, Robin 
>> wrote:

 Well, TheBigDeal is iOS13 IS  Buggy,
> which is "Why" I  Refuse to Update My VZW XS MAX, as it's going to
> Stay ON iOS12.4.1, which is the iOS  version it was when I Purchased
> it, &  I  am PrivyTo TheBugs AssociatedWith
> iOS13 because "They" are present on My VZW 11PRO, & that
> MobileDevice is ON AutomaticUpdates (so far). It's TheUser'sChoice
> To Update or Not
 At 01:13 PM 8/29/2020, you 

RE: for Joshua

[Robin]

if  Ya PaidAttention:  I  Don'tThink it was, as 
it wasn't MyMessagePosting that She was RespondingTo  there.
Not to Say, that She  didn't Dispute  this Matter 
with me because She did, & there were No Hard 
Feelings either way as Far as I  know.

At 06:53 PM 8/30/2020, you wrote:
Thanks Sherry. Yes, I was agreeing with Shirley 
and disagreeing with Robin. In fact, I assumed 
Shirley's response was directed at Robin's 
message, the same message I was responding to.


--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of sherrywells1...@gmail.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 1:55 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: for Joshua
>
> Christopher wasn't saying he didn't believe 
you.  He was saying he didn't know

> why you would think Apple could not refuse to help you unless you were on a
> more current version.  Reread his post more carefully.
>
> Sherry Wells
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Shirley Baker
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 2:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: for Joshua
>
> I didn't think it up. This is what they told 
me and I can't help what your opinion
> might be but this particular person would not 
help me unless I updated my phone
> at that time. Whatever you believe is not my 
problem. I'm just telling you what

> that person said so I did what they told me to do and have ever since.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 30, 2020, at 10:33 AM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > I'm not sure why you think Apple can't 
deny you telephone support for an older
> unsupported version of IOS. You may be 
getting telephone support for now, but
> I doubt it'll last forever. I'm pretty sure 
Apple isn't releasing security updates for
> 12.4.1 any more either. Plus there's nothing 
that says app developers have to

> continue to support 12.4.1.
> >
> > --
> > Christopher (AKA CJ)
> > Chaltain at Gmail
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On
> Behalf
> >> Of Robin
> >> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:59 PM
> >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: for Joshua
> >>
> >> Okay, Ms. Shirley
> >>   After I  received  Your MessagePosting, which  AppearsBelow this
> >> MessagePosting of Mine,  I  decided to Call Apple's
> >> AppleAccessibility TelephoneSupport @ 877-204-3930, To InQuire about
> >> "what" you said, &  I was informed that I wouldn't Be Denied
> >> TelephoneSupport from Apple's AppleAccessibility because I  refused
> >> to update  My VZW XS  MAX  from
> >> iOS12.4.1 to  WhatEver is the Latest iOS13 iteration.
> >>
> >> (I  Presume)
> >> it's because  I  didn't  Update Past iOS12, as  if I did  "they"
> >> could say  that the BugFixes were Resolved in a  Future iOS update of
> >> iOS13, but since I  refused to UpdatePast iOS12.4.1, I can't Be
> >> Denied TelephoneSupport from AppleAccessibility on My VZW XS MAX At
> 06:30 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
> >>> I just hope the device you don't have it on, you won't need help
> >>> from Apple Accessibility because they told me they require you to
> >>> have whatever device you're requesting help with, to be updated to
> >>> the latest version or they won't help you so every since they told
> >>> me that, I make sure my devices are all updated.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> > On Aug 29, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Robin  wrote:
> >
> > You Ask? How will "I Know"?
> > If Ya ReadMyReplyMessagePosting to
> >>> ThisThread, I  said, that I  have Apple's iOS13 on My VZW 11PRO
> >>> PrimarilyBecause that is the iOS version that it was LaunchedWith,
> >>> but My VZW XS MAX wasn't, & Because of  TheBugs
> >>> AssociatedWith iOS13, I   Refuse to Update  it
> >>> to iOS13, so it Remains on  its Last Update, which  is iOS12.4.1.
>  MayBe just MayBe
>  You're More TechSavy than I  am. Yeah,
> >>> that's  MostLikely TheCase, as I'm not that TechSavy
> 
>  MyApologies, if this MessagePosting 
offends, as it isn't intended ToDoSo.

>  I'm just Stating-the-Facts, as  "I  See" them
> 
>  Blessin's to Those on ThisThread
>  At 01:56 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
> > It's not that bad. How would you know how
> >>> bad it is since you haven't updated? Some people are just
> >>> unnecessarily paranoid.It's not that bad.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Aug 29, 2020, at 3:31 PM, Robin 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, TheBigDeal is iOS13 IS  Buggy,
> >>> which is "Why" I  Refuse to Update My VZW XS MAX, as it's going to
> >>> Stay ON iOS12.4.1, which is the iOS  version it was when I Purchased
> >>> it, &  I  am PrivyTo TheBugs AssociatedWith
> >>> iOS13 because "They" are present on My VZW 11PRO, & that
> >>> MobileDevice is ON AutomaticUpdates (so far). It's TheUser'sChoice
> >>> To Update or Not
> >> At 01:13 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
> >>> You can turn automatic update off but I
> >>> 

RE: for Joshua

[Robin]

if "what" ya say  IS True, then "why" Did Apple 
PushOut iOS SecurityUpdates  to Older iOSVersions 
Like iOS9 & iOS10 as well as iOS12, When their 
(current) iteration of iOS IS iOS13?

Because of  the PR i.e., SecurityBreaches to those Versions of iOS
Don'tKnow
"why" You AppleFanBoyz Push Others to Update 
Their iOSDevices, & Hate on Them when Doing so, 
Breaks "accessibility" For Them & They Criticize Apple for its "Bugs" & Flaws"
i.e., the "Bugs" & "Flaws" of iOS8  & 
MoreRecently iOS13, as Apple quickly Relased & 
PushedOut  iOSUpdates within 72Hours of the Relase of a  NEW iPhone


At 06:49 PM 8/30/2020, you wrote:
Apple already aggressively pushes out updates to 
their devices, for example, within a few days of 
a release, you won't be able to roll back to a 
previous release. Plus they drop pushing out 
security updates once a newer release has been 
deployed. With the adoption rate Apple has with 
new releases, I doubt it would be a serious PR 
issue for them to stop providing customer 
support for a release that's been superseded by 
a newer release that's still getting security 
updates. Apple wouldn't be the first company  to 
ask you to update to a newer version of software 
before providing you support. Sometimes this is 
legitimate, since newer versions of the software 
will contain fixes for issues being reported to 
customer support. . You may be able to stay on 
IOS 12.4.1, but there's no guarantee that Apple 
will continue to provide customer support for an unsupported version of IOS.


Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with 
you staying on IOS 12.4.1 as long as you want. 
My only reason for posting is to let others know 
that there's no obligation or guarantee from 
Apple to support 12.4.1 forever. Plus, anyone 
who stays on IOS 12.4.1 will be missing out on 
security patches and may not get support from 
app developers on 12.4.1. I'm totally on board 
with people having the right to choose, as long 
as they're given accurate information to make that choice.


--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Robin
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 4:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: for Joshua
>
> Oh, but "They"  Because I have  AppleCare+ on 
it, & it would be a  Bad PR Move
> not to  Support  it. Pressuring a  Consumer 
to Update a  SoftwareVersion, which

> "They" (Apple) deemed ReadyFor PublicRelease . It's MyRight, as a  Consumer
> Not to Update MyDevice'sSoftware & there isn't  AnyWhere in AppleCare+ that
> Sayz that I must, & I  Called & CheckedWith  Apple's AppleAccessibility
> TelephoneSupport, &  "They"
> indicated  that I wouldn't Be Denied & that's that.
>
> At 08:33 AM 8/30/2020, you wrote:
> >I'm not sure why you think Apple can't deny you telephone support for
> >an older unsupported version of IOS. You may be getting telephone
> >support for now, but I doubt it'll last forever.
> >I'm pretty sure Apple isn't releasing security updates for 12.4.1 any
> >more either. Plus there's nothing that says app developers have to
> >continue to support 12.4.1.
> >
> >--
> >Christopher (AKA CJ)
> >Chaltain at Gmail
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On
> Behalf
> > > Of Robin
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:59 PM
> > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: for Joshua
> > >
> > > Okay, Ms. Shirley
> > >After I  received  Your MessagePosting, which  AppearsBelow this
> > > MessagePosting of Mine,  I  decided to Call Apple's
> > > AppleAccessibility TelephoneSupport @ 877-204-3930, To InQuire about
> > > "what" you said, &  I was informed that I wouldn't Be Denied
> > > TelephoneSupport from Apple's AppleAccessibility because I  refused
> > > to update  My VZW XS  MAX  from
> > > iOS12.4.1 to  WhatEver is the Latest iOS13 iteration.
> > >
> > > (I  Presume)
> > > it's because  I  didn't  Update Past iOS12,
> > as  if I did  "they" could say  that the
> > > BugFixes were Resolved in a  Future iOS
> > update of iOS13, but since I  refused to
> > > UpdatePast iOS12.4.1, I can't Be Denied TelephoneSupport from
> > > AppleAccessibility on My VZW XS MAX At 06:30 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
> > > >I just hope the device you don't have it on, you won't need help
> > > >from Apple Accessibility because they told me they require you to
> > > >have whatever device you're requesting help with, to be updated to
> > > >the latest version or they won't help you so every since they told
> > > >me that, I make sure my devices are all updated.
> > > >
> > > >Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > > > On Aug 29, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Robin 
 wrote:

> > > > >
> > > > > You Ask? How will "I Know"?
> > > > > If Ya ReadMyReplyMessagePosting to
> > > > ThisThread, I  said, that I  have Apple's iOS13 on My VZW 11PRO
> > > > PrimarilyBecause that is the iOS version that it was LaunchedWith,
> > > > but My VZW XS MAX wasn't, & Because of  TheBugs
> > > > 

Re: for Joshua

[Shirley Baker]

No problem with anyone here. I always update within a few days after an update 
has come out for the reasons others have stated.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 30, 2020, at 8:53 PM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Thanks Sherry. Yes, I was agreeing with Shirley and disagreeing with Robin. 
> In fact, I assumed Shirley's response was directed at Robin's message, the 
> same message I was responding to.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of sherrywells1...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 1:55 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: for Joshua
>> 
>> Christopher wasn't saying he didn't believe you.  He was saying he didn't 
>> know
>> why you would think Apple could not refuse to help you unless you were on a
>> more current version.  Reread his post more carefully.
>> 
>> Sherry Wells
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of Shirley Baker
>> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 2:00 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: for Joshua
>> 
>> I didn't think it up. This is what they told me and I can't help what your 
>> opinion
>> might be but this particular person would not help me unless I updated my 
>> phone
>> at that time. Whatever you believe is not my problem. I'm just telling you 
>> what
>> that person said so I did what they told me to do and have ever since.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Aug 30, 2020, at 10:33 AM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure why you think Apple can't deny you telephone support for an 
>>> older
>> unsupported version of IOS. You may be getting telephone support for now, but
>> I doubt it'll last forever. I'm pretty sure Apple isn't releasing security 
>> updates for
>> 12.4.1 any more either. Plus there's nothing that says app developers have to
>> continue to support 12.4.1.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>>> Chaltain at Gmail
>>> 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On
>> Behalf
 Of Robin
 Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:59 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: for Joshua
 
 Okay, Ms. Shirley
  After I  received  Your MessagePosting, which  AppearsBelow this
 MessagePosting of Mine,  I  decided to Call Apple's
 AppleAccessibility TelephoneSupport @ 877-204-3930, To InQuire about
 "what" you said, &  I was informed that I wouldn't Be Denied
 TelephoneSupport from Apple's AppleAccessibility because I  refused
 to update  My VZW XS  MAX  from
 iOS12.4.1 to  WhatEver is the Latest iOS13 iteration.
 
 (I  Presume)
 it's because  I  didn't  Update Past iOS12, as  if I did  "they"
 could say  that the BugFixes were Resolved in a  Future iOS update of
 iOS13, but since I  refused to UpdatePast iOS12.4.1, I can't Be
 Denied TelephoneSupport from AppleAccessibility on My VZW XS MAX At
>> 06:30 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
> I just hope the device you don't have it on, you won't need help
> from Apple Accessibility because they told me they require you to
> have whatever device you're requesting help with, to be updated to
> the latest version or they won't help you so every since they told
> me that, I make sure my devices are all updated.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Aug 29, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Robin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You Ask? How will "I Know"?
>>> If Ya ReadMyReplyMessagePosting to
> ThisThread, I  said, that I  have Apple's iOS13 on My VZW 11PRO
> PrimarilyBecause that is the iOS version that it was LaunchedWith,
> but My VZW XS MAX wasn't, & Because of  TheBugs
> AssociatedWith iOS13, I   Refuse to Update  it
> to iOS13, so it Remains on  its Last Update, which  is iOS12.4.1.
>> MayBe just MayBe
>> You're More TechSavy than I  am. Yeah,
> that's  MostLikely TheCase, as I'm not that TechSavy
>> 
>> MyApologies, if this MessagePosting offends, as it isn't intended ToDoSo.
>> I'm just Stating-the-Facts, as  "I  See" them
>> 
>> Blessin's to Those on ThisThread
>> At 01:56 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
>>> It's not that bad. How would you know how
> bad it is since you haven't updated? Some people are just
> unnecessarily paranoid.It's not that bad.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 29, 2020, at 3:31 PM, Robin 
>> wrote:
 
 Well, TheBigDeal is iOS13 IS  Buggy,
> which is "Why" I  Refuse to Update My VZW XS MAX, as it's going to
> Stay ON iOS12.4.1, which is the iOS  version it was when I Purchased
> it, &  I  am PrivyTo TheBugs AssociatedWith
> iOS13 because "They" are present on My VZW 11PRO, & that
> MobileDevice is ON AutomaticUpdates (so far). It's TheUser'sChoice
> To Update or Not
 At 01:13 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
> You can turn automatic update off but I
> 

RE: for Joshua

[chaltain]

Thanks Sherry. Yes, I was agreeing with Shirley and disagreeing with Robin. In 
fact, I assumed Shirley's response was directed at Robin's message, the same 
message I was responding to.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of sherrywells1...@gmail.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 1:55 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: for Joshua
> 
> Christopher wasn't saying he didn't believe you.  He was saying he didn't know
> why you would think Apple could not refuse to help you unless you were on a
> more current version.  Reread his post more carefully.
> 
> Sherry Wells
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Shirley Baker
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 2:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: for Joshua
> 
> I didn't think it up. This is what they told me and I can't help what your 
> opinion
> might be but this particular person would not help me unless I updated my 
> phone
> at that time. Whatever you believe is not my problem. I'm just telling you 
> what
> that person said so I did what they told me to do and have ever since.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Aug 30, 2020, at 10:33 AM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > I'm not sure why you think Apple can't deny you telephone support for an 
> > older
> unsupported version of IOS. You may be getting telephone support for now, but
> I doubt it'll last forever. I'm pretty sure Apple isn't releasing security 
> updates for
> 12.4.1 any more either. Plus there's nothing that says app developers have to
> continue to support 12.4.1.
> >
> > --
> > Christopher (AKA CJ)
> > Chaltain at Gmail
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On
> Behalf
> >> Of Robin
> >> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:59 PM
> >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: for Joshua
> >>
> >> Okay, Ms. Shirley
> >>   After I  received  Your MessagePosting, which  AppearsBelow this
> >> MessagePosting of Mine,  I  decided to Call Apple's
> >> AppleAccessibility TelephoneSupport @ 877-204-3930, To InQuire about
> >> "what" you said, &  I was informed that I wouldn't Be Denied
> >> TelephoneSupport from Apple's AppleAccessibility because I  refused
> >> to update  My VZW XS  MAX  from
> >> iOS12.4.1 to  WhatEver is the Latest iOS13 iteration.
> >>
> >> (I  Presume)
> >> it's because  I  didn't  Update Past iOS12, as  if I did  "they"
> >> could say  that the BugFixes were Resolved in a  Future iOS update of
> >> iOS13, but since I  refused to UpdatePast iOS12.4.1, I can't Be
> >> Denied TelephoneSupport from AppleAccessibility on My VZW XS MAX At
> 06:30 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
> >>> I just hope the device you don't have it on, you won't need help
> >>> from Apple Accessibility because they told me they require you to
> >>> have whatever device you're requesting help with, to be updated to
> >>> the latest version or they won't help you so every since they told
> >>> me that, I make sure my devices are all updated.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> > On Aug 29, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Robin  wrote:
> >
> > You Ask? How will "I Know"?
> > If Ya ReadMyReplyMessagePosting to
> >>> ThisThread, I  said, that I  have Apple's iOS13 on My VZW 11PRO
> >>> PrimarilyBecause that is the iOS version that it was LaunchedWith,
> >>> but My VZW XS MAX wasn't, & Because of  TheBugs
> >>> AssociatedWith iOS13, I   Refuse to Update  it
> >>> to iOS13, so it Remains on  its Last Update, which  is iOS12.4.1.
>  MayBe just MayBe
>  You're More TechSavy than I  am. Yeah,
> >>> that's  MostLikely TheCase, as I'm not that TechSavy
> 
>  MyApologies, if this MessagePosting offends, as it isn't intended ToDoSo.
>  I'm just Stating-the-Facts, as  "I  See" them
> 
>  Blessin's to Those on ThisThread
>  At 01:56 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
> > It's not that bad. How would you know how
> >>> bad it is since you haven't updated? Some people are just
> >>> unnecessarily paranoid.It's not that bad.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Aug 29, 2020, at 3:31 PM, Robin 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, TheBigDeal is iOS13 IS  Buggy,
> >>> which is "Why" I  Refuse to Update My VZW XS MAX, as it's going to
> >>> Stay ON iOS12.4.1, which is the iOS  version it was when I Purchased
> >>> it, &  I  am PrivyTo TheBugs AssociatedWith
> >>> iOS13 because "They" are present on My VZW 11PRO, & that
> >>> MobileDevice is ON AutomaticUpdates (so far). It's TheUser'sChoice
> >>> To Update or Not
> >> At 01:13 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
> >>> You can turn automatic update off but I
> >>> don't see what the big deal is with not updating.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
>  On Aug 29, 2020, at 7:45 AM, Joshua
> >>> Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
>  Well, the good news is, I
> >>> don't really mind the new update like I
> 

RE: for Joshua

[chaltain]

Apple already aggressively pushes out updates to their devices, for example, 
within a few days of a release, you won't be able to roll back to a previous 
release. Plus they drop pushing out security updates once a newer release has 
been deployed. With the adoption rate Apple has with new releases, I doubt it 
would be a serious PR issue for them to stop providing customer support for a 
release that's been superseded by a newer release that's still getting security 
updates. Apple wouldn't be the first company  to ask you to update to a newer 
version of software before providing you support. Sometimes this is legitimate, 
since newer versions of the software will contain fixes for issues being 
reported to customer support. . You may be able to stay on IOS 12.4.1, but 
there's no guarantee that Apple will continue to provide customer support for 
an unsupported version of IOS.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with you staying on IOS 12.4.1 as 
long as you want. My only reason for posting is to let others know that there's 
no obligation or guarantee from Apple to support 12.4.1 forever. Plus, anyone 
who stays on IOS 12.4.1 will be missing out on security patches and may not get 
support from app developers on 12.4.1. I'm totally on board with people having 
the right to choose, as long as they're given accurate information to make that 
choice.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Robin
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 4:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: for Joshua
> 
> Oh, but "They"  Because I have  AppleCare+ on it, & it would be a  Bad PR Move
> not to  Support  it. Pressuring a  Consumer to Update a  SoftwareVersion, 
> which
> "They" (Apple) deemed ReadyFor PublicRelease . It's MyRight, as a  Consumer
> Not to Update MyDevice'sSoftware & there isn't  AnyWhere in AppleCare+ that
> Sayz that I must, & I  Called & CheckedWith  Apple's AppleAccessibility
> TelephoneSupport, &  "They"
> indicated  that I wouldn't Be Denied & that's that.
> 
> At 08:33 AM 8/30/2020, you wrote:
> >I'm not sure why you think Apple can't deny you telephone support for
> >an older unsupported version of IOS. You may be getting telephone
> >support for now, but I doubt it'll last forever.
> >I'm pretty sure Apple isn't releasing security updates for 12.4.1 any
> >more either. Plus there's nothing that says app developers have to
> >continue to support 12.4.1.
> >
> >--
> >Christopher (AKA CJ)
> >Chaltain at Gmail
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On
> Behalf
> > > Of Robin
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:59 PM
> > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: for Joshua
> > >
> > > Okay, Ms. Shirley
> > >After I  received  Your MessagePosting, which  AppearsBelow this
> > > MessagePosting of Mine,  I  decided to Call Apple's
> > > AppleAccessibility TelephoneSupport @ 877-204-3930, To InQuire about
> > > "what" you said, &  I was informed that I wouldn't Be Denied
> > > TelephoneSupport from Apple's AppleAccessibility because I  refused
> > > to update  My VZW XS  MAX  from
> > > iOS12.4.1 to  WhatEver is the Latest iOS13 iteration.
> > >
> > > (I  Presume)
> > > it's because  I  didn't  Update Past iOS12,
> > as  if I did  "they" could say  that the
> > > BugFixes were Resolved in a  Future iOS
> > update of iOS13, but since I  refused to
> > > UpdatePast iOS12.4.1, I can't Be Denied TelephoneSupport from
> > > AppleAccessibility on My VZW XS MAX At 06:30 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
> > > >I just hope the device you don't have it on, you won't need help
> > > >from Apple Accessibility because they told me they require you to
> > > >have whatever device you're requesting help with, to be updated to
> > > >the latest version or they won't help you so every since they told
> > > >me that, I make sure my devices are all updated.
> > > >
> > > >Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > > > On Aug 29, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Robin  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You Ask? How will "I Know"?
> > > > > If Ya ReadMyReplyMessagePosting to
> > > > ThisThread, I  said, that I  have Apple's iOS13 on My VZW 11PRO
> > > > PrimarilyBecause that is the iOS version that it was LaunchedWith,
> > > > but My VZW XS MAX wasn't, & Because of  TheBugs
> > > > AssociatedWith iOS13, I   Refuse to Update  it
> > > > to iOS13, so it Remains on  its Last Update, which  is iOS12.4.1.
> > > > > MayBe just MayBe
> > > > > You're More TechSavy than I  am. Yeah,
> > > > that's  MostLikely TheCase, as I'm not that TechSavy
> > > > >
> > > > > MyApologies, if this MessagePosting
> > offends, as it isn't intended ToDoSo.
> > > > > I'm just Stating-the-Facts, as  "I  See" them
> > > > >
> > > > > Blessin's to Those on ThisThread At 01:56 PM 8/29/2020, you
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >> It's not that bad. How would you know how
> > > > bad it is since you haven't updated? Some people are just
> > > > 

RE: for Joshua

[Simon A Fogarty]

But if you ask for assistance and the version of the OS is not currently the 
most up to date version available,
 They will ask you to update before completing the help you need.

 It would be part of the checking of the issues.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Monday, 31 August 2020 9:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: for Joshua

Oh Yeah, ForGot:  I  know AppDevelopers aren't RequiredTo support OlderVersions 
of iOS: Not arguing with you  on that Front.
MoneyReader's AppDeveloper isn't supporting the LatestIteration of Apple's iOS, 
as 
its  MobileApp, MoneyReader   doesn't work on iOS13, but it does on iOS12.
At 08:33 AM 8/30/2020, you wrote:
>I'm not sure why you think Apple can't deny you telephone support for 
>an older unsupported version of IOS. You may be getting telephone 
>support for now, but I doubt it'll last forever.
>I'm pretty sure Apple isn't releasing security updates for 12.4.1 any 
>more either. Plus there's nothing that says app developers have to 
>continue to support 12.4.1.
>
>--
>Christopher (AKA CJ)
>Chaltain at Gmail
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
> > Of Robin
> > Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:59 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: for Joshua
> >
> > Okay, Ms. Shirley
> >After I  received  Your MessagePosting, which  AppearsBelow this 
> > MessagePosting of Mine,  I  decided to Call Apple's 
> > AppleAccessibility TelephoneSupport @ 877-204-3930, To InQuire about 
> > "what" you said, &  I was informed that I wouldn't Be Denied  
> > TelephoneSupport from Apple's AppleAccessibility because I  refused 
> > to update  My VZW XS  MAX  from
> > iOS12.4.1 to  WhatEver is the Latest iOS13 iteration.
> >
> > (I  Presume)
> > it's because  I  didn't  Update Past iOS12,
> as  if I did  "they" could say  that the
> > BugFixes were Resolved in a  Future iOS
> update of iOS13, but since I  refused to
> > UpdatePast iOS12.4.1, I can't Be Denied TelephoneSupport from 
> > AppleAccessibility on My VZW XS MAX At 06:30 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
> > >I just hope the device you don't have it on, you won't need help 
> > >from Apple Accessibility because they told me they require you to 
> > >have whatever device you're requesting help with, to be updated to 
> > >the latest version or they won't help you so every since they told 
> > >me that, I make sure my devices are all updated.
> > >
> > >Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Aug 29, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Robin  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You Ask? How will "I Know"?
> > > > If Ya ReadMyReplyMessagePosting to
> > > ThisThread, I  said, that I  have Apple's iOS13 on My VZW 11PRO 
> > > PrimarilyBecause that is the iOS version that it was LaunchedWith, 
> > > but My VZW XS MAX wasn't, & Because of  TheBugs
> > > AssociatedWith iOS13, I   Refuse to Update  it
> > > to iOS13, so it Remains on  its Last Update, which  is iOS12.4.1.
> > > > MayBe just MayBe
> > > > You're More TechSavy than I  am. Yeah,
> > > that's  MostLikely TheCase, as I'm not that TechSavy
> > > >
> > > > MyApologies, if this MessagePosting
> offends, as it isn't intended ToDoSo.
> > > > I'm just Stating-the-Facts, as  "I  See" them
> > > >
> > > > Blessin's to Those on ThisThread At 01:56 PM 8/29/2020, you 
> > > > wrote:
> > > >> It's not that bad. How would you know how
> > > bad it is since you haven't updated? Some people are just 
> > > unnecessarily paranoid.It's not that bad.
> > > >>
> > > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > > >>
> > > >> > On Aug 29, 2020, at 3:31 PM, Robin  wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Well, TheBigDeal is iOS13 IS  Buggy,
> > > which is "Why" I  Refuse to Update My VZW XS MAX, as it's going to 
> > > Stay ON iOS12.4.1, which is the iOS  version it was when I  
> > > Purchased it, &  I  am PrivyTo TheBugs AssociatedWith
> > > iOS13 because "They" are present on My VZW 11PRO, & that  
> > > MobileDevice is ON AutomaticUpdates (so far). It's TheUser'sChoice 
> > > To Update or Not
> > > >> > At 01:13 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
> > > >> >> You can turn automatic update off but I
> > > don't see what the big deal is with not updating.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Sent from my iPhone
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> > On Aug 29, 2020, at 7:45 AM, Joshua
> > > Hendrickson  wrote:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ï»Ã šÃ‚¿Well, the good news is, I
> > > don't really mind the new update like I
> > > >> >> > thought I would.  The only reason why I updated, was it 
> > > >> >> > seemed like apple did the update, and I had to enter in my touch 
> > > >> >> > ID.
> > > >> >> > I didn't have the option of saying later.  There is this 
> > > >> >> > weird tapping thing that might happen when you update.  
> > > >> >> > You
> > > will feel it when you swipe on
> > > >> >> > the screen.  Just call apple accessibility and they will 
> > > >> >> > help you get rid of that.  You won't be able to check the 
> > > >> >> > status bar to see 

Re: Accessible electronic password managers being used?

['Nancy Badger' via VIPhone]

I have used Keeper for a long time and it is very accessible

Nancy Badger

On Aug 14, 2020, at 4:04 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:


Hi List,
 
I'm preparing a presentation for late September where I'll discuss electronic 
password managers. While I intend to focus on KeePass, I also want to mention 
any others that folks are successfully using. The only criteria is that they be 
accessible and work both with a computer and a portable device. Another person 
will be presenting on 1Password so if anyone can offer other recommendations 
meeting my criteria, I would very much appreciate it.
 
Thanks in advance for any suggestions you might have.
 
Alan Lemly
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Reading a Bible I purchased in iTunes Bookstore

[Duane Steele]

Hello iPhone Listers,

I suddenly seem to have a dilemma. When I first got an iPhone back in 2012, I 
bought the NRSV Bible from iBooks and had no trouble reading it. However, 
recently, I opened that same Bible in the Books APP and tried to read some 
passages using my BRAILLEEdge 40, and I'm having lots of problems finding 
specific text. I've tried just about everything to remedy the situation, 
especially because, in the denomination from which I retired as a parish pastor 
prefers that weekly texts come from the NRSV Bible. If anyone on this list can 
help me figure out how to read this book with a Braille device, I'll be 
grateful. I haven't head issues with other books I've purchased through iTunes. 
Naturally, Bibles present different challenges.


Peace & Blessings,
Pastor Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194

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RE: for Joshua

[Robin]

Oh Yeah, ForGot:  I  know AppDevelopers aren't 
RequiredTo support OlderVersions of iOS: Not arguing with you  on that Front.
MoneyReader's AppDeveloper isn't supporting the 
LatestIteration of Apple's iOS, as 
its  MobileApp, MoneyReader   doesn't work on iOS13, but it does on iOS12.

At 08:33 AM 8/30/2020, you wrote:
I'm not sure why you think Apple can't deny you 
telephone support for an older unsupported 
version of IOS. You may be getting telephone 
support for now, but I doubt it'll last forever. 
I'm pretty sure Apple isn't releasing security 
updates for 12.4.1 any more either. Plus there's 
nothing that says app developers have to continue to support 12.4.1.


--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Robin
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: for Joshua
>
> Okay, Ms. Shirley
>After I  received  Your MessagePosting, which  AppearsBelow this
> MessagePosting of Mine,  I  decided to Call Apple's AppleAccessibility
> TelephoneSupport @ 877-204-3930, To InQuire about "what" you said, &  I was
> informed that I wouldn't Be Denied  TelephoneSupport from Apple's
> AppleAccessibility because I  refused to update  My VZW XS  MAX  from
> iOS12.4.1 to  WhatEver is the Latest iOS13 iteration.
>
> (I  Presume)
> it's because  I  didn't  Update Past iOS12, 
as  if I did  "they" could say  that the
> BugFixes were Resolved in a  Future iOS 
update of iOS13, but since I  refused to

> UpdatePast iOS12.4.1, I can't Be Denied TelephoneSupport from
> AppleAccessibility on My VZW XS MAX At 06:30 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
> >I just hope the device you don't have it on, you won't need help from
> >Apple Accessibility because they told me they require you to have
> >whatever device you're requesting help with, to be updated to the
> >latest version or they won't help you so every since they told me that,
> >I make sure my devices are all updated.
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Aug 29, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Robin  wrote:
> > >
> > > You Ask? How will "I Know"?
> > > If Ya ReadMyReplyMessagePosting to
> > ThisThread, I  said, that I  have Apple's iOS13 on My VZW 11PRO
> > PrimarilyBecause that is the iOS version that it was LaunchedWith, but
> > My VZW XS MAX wasn't, & Because of  TheBugs
> > AssociatedWith iOS13, I   Refuse to Update  it
> > to iOS13, so it Remains on  its Last Update, which  is iOS12.4.1.
> > > MayBe just MayBe
> > > You're More TechSavy than I  am. Yeah,
> > that's  MostLikely TheCase, as I'm not that TechSavy
> > >
> > > MyApologies, if this MessagePosting 
offends, as it isn't intended ToDoSo.

> > > I'm just Stating-the-Facts, as  "I  See" them
> > >
> > > Blessin's to Those on ThisThread
> > > At 01:56 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
> > >> It's not that bad. How would you know how
> > bad it is since you haven't updated? Some people are just
> > unnecessarily paranoid.It's not that bad.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >> > On Aug 29, 2020, at 3:31 PM, Robin  wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Well, TheBigDeal is iOS13 IS  Buggy,
> > which is "Why" I  Refuse to Update My VZW XS MAX, as it's going to
> > Stay ON iOS12.4.1, which is the iOS  version it was when I  Purchased
> > it, &  I  am PrivyTo TheBugs AssociatedWith
> > iOS13 because "They" are present on My VZW 11PRO, & that  MobileDevice
> > is ON AutomaticUpdates (so far). It's TheUser'sChoice To Update or Not
> > >> > At 01:13 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
> > >> >> You can turn automatic update off but I
> > don't see what the big deal is with not updating.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > On Aug 29, 2020, at 7:45 AM, Joshua
> > Hendrickson  wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > ï»Ã šÃ‚¿Well, the good news is, I
> > don't really mind the new update like I
> > >> >> > thought I would.  The only reason why I updated, was it seemed
> > >> >> > like apple did the update, and I had to enter in my touch ID.
> > >> >> > I didn't have the option of saying later.  There is this weird
> > >> >> > tapping thing that might happen when you update.  You
> > will feel it when you swipe on
> > >> >> > the screen.  Just call apple accessibility and they will help
> > >> >> > you get rid of that.  You won't be able to check the status
> > >> >> > bar to see the battery level of a bluetooth device.  You have
> > >> >> > to go to battery on page one of your phone to see that.
> > >> >> > Although, usually I can just ask Siri current battery level
> > >> >> > and she will tell me the battery 
level of my iPhone and a bluetooth

> device.  If you have to update, good luck.
> > >> >> > It really isn't that bad.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> On 8/29/20, Judy Pryor  wrote:
> > >> >> >> Hi Joshua, i thought of you last night
> > when Apple seemed to be forcing me to
> > >> >> >> update .  I am still on 12.4.1.  It
> > was only when I disagreed with the terms
> > >> >> >> did it go away. 

RE: for Joshua

[Robin]

Oh, but "They"  Because I have  AppleCare+ on it, 
& it would be a  Bad PR Move  not 
to  Support  it. Pressuring a  Consumer to Update 
a  SoftwareVersion, which  "They" (Apple) deemed 
ReadyFor PublicRelease . It's MyRight, as 
a  Consumer Not to Update MyDevice'sSoftware & 
there isn't  AnyWhere in AppleCare+ that Sayz 
that I must, & I  Called & CheckedWith  Apple's 
AppleAccessibility TelephoneSupport, &  "They" 
indicated  that I wouldn't Be Denied & that's that.


At 08:33 AM 8/30/2020, you wrote:
I'm not sure why you think Apple can't deny you 
telephone support for an older unsupported 
version of IOS. You may be getting telephone 
support for now, but I doubt it'll last forever. 
I'm pretty sure Apple isn't releasing security 
updates for 12.4.1 any more either. Plus there's 
nothing that says app developers have to continue to support 12.4.1.


--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Robin
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: for Joshua
>
> Okay, Ms. Shirley
>After I  received  Your MessagePosting, which  AppearsBelow this
> MessagePosting of Mine,  I  decided to Call Apple's AppleAccessibility
> TelephoneSupport @ 877-204-3930, To InQuire about "what" you said, &  I was
> informed that I wouldn't Be Denied  TelephoneSupport from Apple's
> AppleAccessibility because I  refused to update  My VZW XS  MAX  from
> iOS12.4.1 to  WhatEver is the Latest iOS13 iteration.
>
> (I  Presume)
> it's because  I  didn't  Update Past iOS12, 
as  if I did  "they" could say  that the
> BugFixes were Resolved in a  Future iOS 
update of iOS13, but since I  refused to

> UpdatePast iOS12.4.1, I can't Be Denied TelephoneSupport from
> AppleAccessibility on My VZW XS MAX At 06:30 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
> >I just hope the device you don't have it on, you won't need help from
> >Apple Accessibility because they told me they require you to have
> >whatever device you're requesting help with, to be updated to the
> >latest version or they won't help you so every since they told me that,
> >I make sure my devices are all updated.
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Aug 29, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Robin  wrote:
> > >
> > > You Ask? How will "I Know"?
> > > If Ya ReadMyReplyMessagePosting to
> > ThisThread, I  said, that I  have Apple's iOS13 on My VZW 11PRO
> > PrimarilyBecause that is the iOS version that it was LaunchedWith, but
> > My VZW XS MAX wasn't, & Because of  TheBugs
> > AssociatedWith iOS13, I   Refuse to Update  it
> > to iOS13, so it Remains on  its Last Update, which  is iOS12.4.1.
> > > MayBe just MayBe
> > > You're More TechSavy than I  am. Yeah,
> > that's  MostLikely TheCase, as I'm not that TechSavy
> > >
> > > MyApologies, if this MessagePosting 
offends, as it isn't intended ToDoSo.

> > > I'm just Stating-the-Facts, as  "I  See" them
> > >
> > > Blessin's to Those on ThisThread
> > > At 01:56 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
> > >> It's not that bad. How would you know how
> > bad it is since you haven't updated? Some people are just
> > unnecessarily paranoid.It's not that bad.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >> > On Aug 29, 2020, at 3:31 PM, Robin  wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Well, TheBigDeal is iOS13 IS  Buggy,
> > which is "Why" I  Refuse to Update My VZW XS MAX, as it's going to
> > Stay ON iOS12.4.1, which is the iOS  version it was when I  Purchased
> > it, &  I  am PrivyTo TheBugs AssociatedWith
> > iOS13 because "They" are present on My VZW 11PRO, & that  MobileDevice
> > is ON AutomaticUpdates (so far). It's TheUser'sChoice To Update or Not
> > >> > At 01:13 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
> > >> >> You can turn automatic update off but I
> > don't see what the big deal is with not updating.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > On Aug 29, 2020, at 7:45 AM, Joshua
> > Hendrickson  wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > ï»Ã šÃ‚¿Well, the good news is, I
> > don't really mind the new update like I
> > >> >> > thought I would.  The only reason why I updated, was it seemed
> > >> >> > like apple did the update, and I had to enter in my touch ID.
> > >> >> > I didn't have the option of saying later.  There is this weird
> > >> >> > tapping thing that might happen when you update.  You
> > will feel it when you swipe on
> > >> >> > the screen.  Just call apple accessibility and they will help
> > >> >> > you get rid of that.  You won't be able to check the status
> > >> >> > bar to see the battery level of a bluetooth device.  You have
> > >> >> > to go to battery on page one of your phone to see that.
> > >> >> > Although, usually I can just ask Siri current battery level
> > >> >> > and she will tell me the battery 
level of my iPhone and a bluetooth

> device.  If you have to update, good luck.
> > >> >> > It really isn't that bad.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> On 8/29/20, Judy Pryor  wrote:
> > >> >> >> Hi Joshua, i 

Re: apple music

[Marty Hutchings]

Do you own all of your songs?  If you use iTunes to create a music library, 
then you can download songs to all of your Apple devices to play off line.  I 
have an older iPhone SE that works just like an iPod Touch without it’s sem 
card.

Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William 
Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, 
signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020

From: kitty hevener 
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 2:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: apple music

I am currently using apple music on my iphone SE old.  I would like to put 
songs from my active phone on to a iphone that is not connected.  I would like 
to put them on the inactive iphone so I could just listen to them off line.  
Can this be done?  If so, how?  I did call apple accessibility and got no help. 
 

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Re: apple music

[Matthew Bullis]

You should be able to download the songs you want if you log into the same 
Apple ID. Without logging in, you wouldn't have access to the library you've 
built up or the subscription you've been paying for.
Matthew


On Aug 30, 2020, at 12:43 PM, kitty hevener  wrote:


I am currently using apple music on my iphone SE old.  I would like to put 
songs from my active phone on to a iphone that is not connected.  I would like 
to put them on the inactive iphone so I could just listen to them off line.  
Can this be done?  If so, how?  I did call apple accessibility and got no help. 
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Re: for Joshua

[Shirley Baker]

The only reason I can think of why they may have said this, maybe what I was 
needing to be done at the time required an update but whatever the reason, it 
doesn't matter for me anymore, as I will always keep my phone updated.
End of conversation from me after this.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 30, 2020, at 1:54 PM, sherrywells1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Christopher wasn't saying he didn't believe you.  He was saying he didn't 
> know why you would think Apple could not refuse to help you unless you were 
> on a more current version.  Reread his post more carefully.
> 
> Sherry Wells
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Shirley Baker
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 2:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: for Joshua
> 
> I didn't think it up. This is what they told me and I can't help what your 
> opinion might be but this particular person would not help me unless I 
> updated my phone at that time. Whatever you believe is not my problem. I'm 
> just telling you what that person said so I did what they told me to do and 
> have ever since.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 30, 2020, at 10:33 AM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> I'm not sure why you think Apple can't deny you telephone support for an 
>> older unsupported version of IOS. You may be getting telephone support for 
>> now, but I doubt it'll last forever. I'm pretty sure Apple isn't releasing 
>> security updates for 12.4.1 any more either. Plus there's nothing that says 
>> app developers have to continue to support 12.4.1.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Gmail
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Robin
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:59 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: for Joshua
>>> 
>>> Okay, Ms. Shirley
>>>  After I  received  Your MessagePosting, which  AppearsBelow this 
>>> MessagePosting of Mine,  I  decided to Call Apple's 
>>> AppleAccessibility TelephoneSupport @ 877-204-3930, To InQuire about 
>>> "what" you said, &  I was informed that I wouldn't Be Denied  
>>> TelephoneSupport from Apple's AppleAccessibility because I  refused 
>>> to update  My VZW XS  MAX  from
>>> iOS12.4.1 to  WhatEver is the Latest iOS13 iteration.
>>> 
>>> (I  Presume)
>>> it's because  I  didn't  Update Past iOS12, as  if I did  "they" 
>>> could say  that the BugFixes were Resolved in a  Future iOS update of 
>>> iOS13, but since I  refused to UpdatePast iOS12.4.1, I can't Be 
>>> Denied TelephoneSupport from AppleAccessibility on My VZW XS MAX At 06:30 
>>> PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
 I just hope the device you don't have it on, you won't need help 
 from Apple Accessibility because they told me they require you to 
 have whatever device you're requesting help with, to be updated to 
 the latest version or they won't help you so every since they told 
 me that, I make sure my devices are all updated.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Aug 29, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> 
>> You Ask? How will "I Know"?
>> If Ya ReadMyReplyMessagePosting to
 ThisThread, I  said, that I  have Apple's iOS13 on My VZW 11PRO 
 PrimarilyBecause that is the iOS version that it was LaunchedWith, 
 but My VZW XS MAX wasn't, & Because of  TheBugs
 AssociatedWith iOS13, I   Refuse to Update  it
 to iOS13, so it Remains on  its Last Update, which  is iOS12.4.1.
> MayBe just MayBe
> You're More TechSavy than I  am. Yeah,
 that's  MostLikely TheCase, as I'm not that TechSavy
> 
> MyApologies, if this MessagePosting offends, as it isn't intended ToDoSo.
> I'm just Stating-the-Facts, as  "I  See" them
> 
> Blessin's to Those on ThisThread
> At 01:56 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
>> It's not that bad. How would you know how
 bad it is since you haven't updated? Some people are just 
 unnecessarily paranoid.It's not that bad.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 29, 2020, at 3:31 PM, Robin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, TheBigDeal is iOS13 IS  Buggy,
 which is "Why" I  Refuse to Update My VZW XS MAX, as it's going to 
 Stay ON iOS12.4.1, which is the iOS  version it was when I  
 Purchased it, &  I  am PrivyTo TheBugs AssociatedWith
 iOS13 because "They" are present on My VZW 11PRO, & that  
 MobileDevice is ON AutomaticUpdates (so far). It's TheUser'sChoice 
 To Update or Not
>>> At 01:13 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
 You can turn automatic update off but I
 don't see what the big deal is with not updating.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Aug 29, 2020, at 7:45 AM, Joshua
 Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> Well, the good news is, I
 don't really mind the new update like I
> thought I would.  The only reason why I updated, was it seemed 
> like apple did the update, and I had to enter 

RE: Smart Bulbs With Alexa?

[Fazil]

Thanks much, Sieghard, for this detailed answer. I do appreciate for that

I am a tenant and I don’t want to spend money on smart switches and electrician 
but smart bulb is a vible option at this time for me.

I tried to find Flip Hue bulbs on Amazon but I couldn’t find those.

Do you think that you can find for me and send me link?

I am looking four-pack.

Thanks again!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 10:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Smart Bulbs With Alexa?

 

Yes to all 3 questions is correct, but keep in mind that if your mechanical 
switch is turned off the smart bulb will not work. We have Philips Hue bulbs 
and lights throughout our house. For my wife and myself this is no problem, all 
our switches are usually turned on and we just ask Alexa or our Google 
Assistant or SIRI (Philips Hue works with all 3) to turn off whichever light. 
However, when we have visitors they are often confused, so let's say they walk 
into the bathroom and press the decora wall switch which is in the on position, 
but the light is turned off via the smart bulb, then of course nothing happens 
because they just turned off the light. Then they usually press the switch 
again the other way and of course the light now comes on. When they leave the 
room the turn it off again and at that point my wife or I first would have to 
go around the house and turn on all the switches when the visitor or visitors 
are gone and then carry on with using voice controls to turn off the lights.

I bought most of the Philips Hue bulbs years ago when there were not as many 
options available, but if I had to do it over I would not buy smart bulbs but 
rather smart switches. Yes, you have to get an electrician to install them and 
depending on how old the place is there is a small chance they may not work 
because they require a third "neutral" wire" which in some older installations 
is not there, but if it is there I would absolutely go for smart switches 
instead because they work regardless whether somebody just pushed them to turn 
off the lights. The switches from Meross are quite good, they are not as 
expensive and work with Alexa and Google Assistant, also very good are the ones 
from TP Linka nd Lutron. I just did a huge renovation on a new building I 
bought for my retail business and I chose to spend $1,000 on Leviton smart 
switches. I bought the main switches for $54.99 Canadian from a company called 
Aartech Canada, the nice thing is that for $29.99 you can buy what basically is 
a remote control switch for 3-way or 4-way installations. These are switches 
which communicate via Z-Wave so they are not Wi-Fi, but Leviton also makes a 
Wi-Fi version of the switch. I bought these because I have an alarm system from 
Alarm.com and these switches communicate via Z-Wave with the alarm panel and I 
can use the Alarm.com app to control the lights, I think you can also set up 
SIRI shortcuts and possibly Alexa and google Assistant integration, havent 

Really explored this yet. I am pretty sure the Wi-Fi version of the switch is 
compatible with SIRI, Alexa and google Assistant. These are basicallyu 
decora-type in-wall switches and they are of very good quality and look nice. A 
Smart bulb is cheaper especially if you don't get the ones which support 
colours and for Fasil if he just wants 2 or 3 bulbs this may still be the 
better way to go, but in any larger application or a new house I'd never put 
anything but actual smart switches.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 12:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Smart Bulbs With Alexa?

 

Yes too all three of your questions.

 

A smart light-bulb can only work with a mechanical On/Off switch. You obviously 
need to leave the switch on after setting one up for it to work with Lady A.

 

On 8/29/2020 1:32 AM, Fazil wrote:

Hi, list.

I do apologize if admins think that this is not directly related to iPhone.

I live in an older apartment building in Vancouver, Canada.

I got Echo Dot and installed Alexa from the App-Store.

I have three questions,

1.

Can I use smart light-bulbs in old buildings?

2.

Can I use smart bulbs along with traditional bulbs?

I mean I want smart bulbs at a couple of places only.

3.

Does smart bulb work with mechanical switch too?

 

Thanks!

 

 

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apple music

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I am currently using apple music on my iphone SE old.  I would like to put
songs from my active phone on to a iphone that is not connected.  I would
like to put them on the inactive iphone so I could just listen to them off
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RE: for Joshua

[sherrywells1157]

I agree, Shirley I'm sorry you had that experience too.  I'm just saying I'm 
not surprised because the tech support folks would tend to think your problem 
was due to having an old version of the software.  I would think most problems 
could be resolved no matter the version but I'm sure there are some things that 
are harder to troubleshoot if one is not current.

Sherry Wells

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 3:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: for Joshua

I've never heard of apple accessibility refusing to help you if you weren't up 
to date.  I didn't update my iPhone for almost a year and I had no trouble 
having apple help me with any issues.  Shirley Sorry you had that experience.

On 8/30/20, sherrywells1...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Christopher wasn't saying he didn't believe you.  He was saying he 
> didn't know why you would think Apple could not refuse to help you 
> unless you were on a more current version.  Reread his post more carefully.
>
> Sherry Wells
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Shirley Baker
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 2:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: for Joshua
>
> I didn't think it up. This is what they told me and I can't help what 
> your opinion might be but this particular person would not help me 
> unless I updated my phone at that time. Whatever you believe is not my 
> problem. I'm just telling you what that person said so I did what they 
> told me to do and have ever since.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 30, 2020, at 10:33 AM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure why you think Apple can't deny you telephone support 
>> for an older unsupported version of IOS. You may be getting telephone 
>> support for now, but I doubt it'll last forever. I'm pretty sure 
>> Apple isn't releasing security updates for 12.4.1 any more either. 
>> Plus there's nothing that says app developers have to continue to support 
>> 12.4.1.
>>
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Gmail
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Robin
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:59 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: for Joshua
>>>
>>> Okay, Ms. Shirley
>>>   After I  received  Your MessagePosting, which  AppearsBelow this 
>>> MessagePosting of Mine,  I  decided to Call Apple's 
>>> AppleAccessibility TelephoneSupport @ 877-204-3930, To InQuire about 
>>> "what" you said, &  I was informed that I wouldn't Be Denied 
>>> TelephoneSupport from Apple's AppleAccessibility because I  refused 
>>> to update  My VZW XS  MAX  from
>>> iOS12.4.1 to  WhatEver is the Latest iOS13 iteration.
>>>
>>> (I  Presume)
>>> it's because  I  didn't  Update Past iOS12, as  if I did  "they"
>>> could say  that the BugFixes were Resolved in a  Future iOS update 
>>> of iOS13, but since I  refused to UpdatePast iOS12.4.1, I can't Be 
>>> Denied TelephoneSupport from AppleAccessibility on My VZW XS MAX At 
>>> 06:30 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
 I just hope the device you don't have it on, you won't need help 
 from Apple Accessibility because they told me they require you to 
 have whatever device you're requesting help with, to be updated to 
 the latest version or they won't help you so every since they told 
 me that, I make sure my devices are all updated.

 Sent from my iPhone

>> On Aug 29, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Robin  wrote:
>>
>> You Ask? How will "I Know"?
>> If Ya ReadMyReplyMessagePosting to
 ThisThread, I  said, that I  have Apple's iOS13 on My VZW 11PRO 
 PrimarilyBecause that is the iOS version that it was LaunchedWith, 
 but My VZW XS MAX wasn't, & Because of  TheBugs
 AssociatedWith iOS13, I   Refuse to Update  it
 to iOS13, so it Remains on  its Last Update, which  is iOS12.4.1.
> MayBe just MayBe
> You're More TechSavy than I  am. Yeah,
 that's  MostLikely TheCase, as I'm not that TechSavy
>
> MyApologies, if this MessagePosting offends, as it isn't intended 
> ToDoSo.
> I'm just Stating-the-Facts, as  "I  See" them
>
> Blessin's to Those on ThisThread
> At 01:56 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
>> It's not that bad. How would you know how
 bad it is since you haven't updated? Some people are just 
 unnecessarily paranoid.It's not that bad.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 29, 2020, at 3:31 PM, Robin  wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, TheBigDeal is iOS13 IS  Buggy,
 which is "Why" I  Refuse to Update My VZW XS MAX, as it's going to 
 Stay ON iOS12.4.1, which is the iOS  version it was when I 
 Purchased it, &  I  am PrivyTo TheBugs AssociatedWith
 iOS13 because "They" are present on My VZW 11PRO, & that 
 MobileDevice is ON AutomaticUpdates (so far). It's TheUser'sChoice 
 To Update or Not
>>> At 01:13 

Re: for Joshua

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I've never heard of apple accessibility refusing to help you if you
weren't up to date.  I didn't update my iPhone for almost a year and I
had no trouble having apple help me with any issues.  Shirley Sorry
you had that experience.

On 8/30/20, sherrywells1...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Christopher wasn't saying he didn't believe you.  He was saying he didn't
> know why you would think Apple could not refuse to help you unless you were
> on a more current version.  Reread his post more carefully.
>
> Sherry Wells
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Shirley Baker
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 2:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: for Joshua
>
> I didn't think it up. This is what they told me and I can't help what your
> opinion might be but this particular person would not help me unless I
> updated my phone at that time. Whatever you believe is not my problem. I'm
> just telling you what that person said so I did what they told me to do and
> have ever since.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 30, 2020, at 10:33 AM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure why you think Apple can't deny you telephone support for an
>> older unsupported version of IOS. You may be getting telephone support for
>> now, but I doubt it'll last forever. I'm pretty sure Apple isn't releasing
>> security updates for 12.4.1 any more either. Plus there's nothing that
>> says app developers have to continue to support 12.4.1.
>>
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Gmail
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>>> Of Robin
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:59 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: for Joshua
>>>
>>> Okay, Ms. Shirley
>>>   After I  received  Your MessagePosting, which  AppearsBelow this
>>> MessagePosting of Mine,  I  decided to Call Apple's
>>> AppleAccessibility TelephoneSupport @ 877-204-3930, To InQuire about
>>> "what" you said, &  I was informed that I wouldn't Be Denied
>>> TelephoneSupport from Apple's AppleAccessibility because I  refused
>>> to update  My VZW XS  MAX  from
>>> iOS12.4.1 to  WhatEver is the Latest iOS13 iteration.
>>>
>>> (I  Presume)
>>> it's because  I  didn't  Update Past iOS12, as  if I did  "they"
>>> could say  that the BugFixes were Resolved in a  Future iOS update of
>>> iOS13, but since I  refused to UpdatePast iOS12.4.1, I can't Be
>>> Denied TelephoneSupport from AppleAccessibility on My VZW XS MAX At 06:30
>>> PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
 I just hope the device you don't have it on, you won't need help
 from Apple Accessibility because they told me they require you to
 have whatever device you're requesting help with, to be updated to
 the latest version or they won't help you so every since they told
 me that, I make sure my devices are all updated.

 Sent from my iPhone

>> On Aug 29, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Robin  wrote:
>>
>> You Ask? How will "I Know"?
>> If Ya ReadMyReplyMessagePosting to
 ThisThread, I  said, that I  have Apple's iOS13 on My VZW 11PRO
 PrimarilyBecause that is the iOS version that it was LaunchedWith,
 but My VZW XS MAX wasn't, & Because of  TheBugs
 AssociatedWith iOS13, I   Refuse to Update  it
 to iOS13, so it Remains on  its Last Update, which  is iOS12.4.1.
> MayBe just MayBe
> You're More TechSavy than I  am. Yeah,
 that's  MostLikely TheCase, as I'm not that TechSavy
>
> MyApologies, if this MessagePosting offends, as it isn't intended
> ToDoSo.
> I'm just Stating-the-Facts, as  "I  See" them
>
> Blessin's to Those on ThisThread
> At 01:56 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
>> It's not that bad. How would you know how
 bad it is since you haven't updated? Some people are just
 unnecessarily paranoid.It's not that bad.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 29, 2020, at 3:31 PM, Robin  wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, TheBigDeal is iOS13 IS  Buggy,
 which is "Why" I  Refuse to Update My VZW XS MAX, as it's going to
 Stay ON iOS12.4.1, which is the iOS  version it was when I
 Purchased it, &  I  am PrivyTo TheBugs AssociatedWith
 iOS13 because "They" are present on My VZW 11PRO, & that
 MobileDevice is ON AutomaticUpdates (so far). It's TheUser'sChoice
 To Update or Not
>>> At 01:13 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
 You can turn automatic update off but I
 don't see what the big deal is with not updating.

 Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 29, 2020, at 7:45 AM, Joshua
 Hendrickson  wrote:
>
> Well, the good news is, I
 don't really mind the new update like I
> thought I would.  The only reason why I updated, was it seemed
> like apple did the update, and I had to enter in my touch ID.
> I didn't have the option of saying later.  There is this weird
> tapping thing that might 

RE: for Joshua

[sherrywells1157]

Christopher wasn't saying he didn't believe you.  He was saying he didn't know 
why you would think Apple could not refuse to help you unless you were on a 
more current version.  Reread his post more carefully.

Sherry Wells

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shirley 
Baker
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 2:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: for Joshua

I didn't think it up. This is what they told me and I can't help what your 
opinion might be but this particular person would not help me unless I updated 
my phone at that time. Whatever you believe is not my problem. I'm just telling 
you what that person said so I did what they told me to do and have ever since.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 30, 2020, at 10:33 AM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure why you think Apple can't deny you telephone support for an 
> older unsupported version of IOS. You may be getting telephone support for 
> now, but I doubt it'll last forever. I'm pretty sure Apple isn't releasing 
> security updates for 12.4.1 any more either. Plus there's nothing that says 
> app developers have to continue to support 12.4.1.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Robin
>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:59 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: for Joshua
>> 
>> Okay, Ms. Shirley
>>   After I  received  Your MessagePosting, which  AppearsBelow this 
>> MessagePosting of Mine,  I  decided to Call Apple's 
>> AppleAccessibility TelephoneSupport @ 877-204-3930, To InQuire about 
>> "what" you said, &  I was informed that I wouldn't Be Denied  
>> TelephoneSupport from Apple's AppleAccessibility because I  refused 
>> to update  My VZW XS  MAX  from
>> iOS12.4.1 to  WhatEver is the Latest iOS13 iteration.
>> 
>> (I  Presume)
>> it's because  I  didn't  Update Past iOS12, as  if I did  "they" 
>> could say  that the BugFixes were Resolved in a  Future iOS update of 
>> iOS13, but since I  refused to UpdatePast iOS12.4.1, I can't Be 
>> Denied TelephoneSupport from AppleAccessibility on My VZW XS MAX At 06:30 PM 
>> 8/29/2020, you wrote:
>>> I just hope the device you don't have it on, you won't need help 
>>> from Apple Accessibility because they told me they require you to 
>>> have whatever device you're requesting help with, to be updated to 
>>> the latest version or they won't help you so every since they told 
>>> me that, I make sure my devices are all updated.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Aug 29, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> You Ask? How will "I Know"?
> If Ya ReadMyReplyMessagePosting to
>>> ThisThread, I  said, that I  have Apple's iOS13 on My VZW 11PRO 
>>> PrimarilyBecause that is the iOS version that it was LaunchedWith, 
>>> but My VZW XS MAX wasn't, & Because of  TheBugs
>>> AssociatedWith iOS13, I   Refuse to Update  it
>>> to iOS13, so it Remains on  its Last Update, which  is iOS12.4.1.
 MayBe just MayBe
 You're More TechSavy than I  am. Yeah,
>>> that's  MostLikely TheCase, as I'm not that TechSavy
 
 MyApologies, if this MessagePosting offends, as it isn't intended ToDoSo.
 I'm just Stating-the-Facts, as  "I  See" them
 
 Blessin's to Those on ThisThread
 At 01:56 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
> It's not that bad. How would you know how
>>> bad it is since you haven't updated? Some people are just 
>>> unnecessarily paranoid.It's not that bad.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 29, 2020, at 3:31 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, TheBigDeal is iOS13 IS  Buggy,
>>> which is "Why" I  Refuse to Update My VZW XS MAX, as it's going to 
>>> Stay ON iOS12.4.1, which is the iOS  version it was when I  
>>> Purchased it, &  I  am PrivyTo TheBugs AssociatedWith
>>> iOS13 because "They" are present on My VZW 11PRO, & that  
>>> MobileDevice is ON AutomaticUpdates (so far). It's TheUser'sChoice 
>>> To Update or Not
>> At 01:13 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
>>> You can turn automatic update off but I
>>> don't see what the big deal is with not updating.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 29, 2020, at 7:45 AM, Joshua
>>> Hendrickson  wrote:
 
 Well, the good news is, I
>>> don't really mind the new update like I
 thought I would.  The only reason why I updated, was it seemed 
 like apple did the update, and I had to enter in my touch ID.
 I didn't have the option of saying later.  There is this weird 
 tapping thing that might happen when you update.  You
>>> will feel it when you swipe on
 the screen.  Just call apple accessibility and they will help 
 you get rid of that.  You won't be able to check the status bar 
 to see the battery level of a bluetooth device.  You have to go 
 to battery on page one of your phone to see that.
 Although, 

RE: can you watch movies on disney+ on data when not connected to WIFI?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

When my wife was in the hospital the last time for epilepsy monitoring we 
watched 2 movies on netflix via cellular data because the hospital Wi-Fi was so 
slow and I burned through over 5 Gb of my 6 Gb data just with these two movies.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
timothy.appleby1...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 7:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: can you watch movies on disney+ on data when not connected to WIFI?

Hi there, it's better to have the title you wish to watch downloaded so that 
you can watch the particular movie when wi-fi isn't available as surely you 
know, watching video feeds cost loads of data.

I hope this helps.

Tim Appleby

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 11:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: can you watch movies on disney+ on data when not connected to WIFI?

Hi to all.  The subject says it all.  If I'm out and about and I want to watch 
a movie on Disney Plus, can I do so, and use data if not connected to a wifi 
network?  I tried this morning for a second while I was waiting for food at 
McDonalds and I kept getting the message not connected to the internet when I 
tried to access my watch list of movies.  Thanks for any help.

--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson

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RE: can you watch movies on disney+ on data when not connected to WIFI?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes, downloading it on Wi-Fi would be the better method, but you can probably 
allow streaming via cellular data in Settings either Settings > Disney or 
Settings > Cellular, then find the Disney app in the list of apps.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
timothy.appleby1...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 7:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: can you watch movies on disney+ on data when not connected to WIFI?

Hi there, it's better to have the title you wish to watch downloaded so that 
you can watch the particular movie when wi-fi isn't available as surely you 
know, watching video feeds cost loads of data.

I hope this helps.

Tim Appleby

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 11:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: can you watch movies on disney+ on data when not connected to WIFI?

Hi to all.  The subject says it all.  If I'm out and about and I want to watch 
a movie on Disney Plus, can I do so, and use data if not connected to a wifi 
network?  I tried this morning for a second while I was waiting for food at 
McDonalds and I kept getting the message not connected to the internet when I 
tried to access my watch list of movies.  Thanks for any help.

--
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Re: for Joshua

[Shirley Baker]

I didn't think it up. This is what they told me and I can't help what your 
opinion might be but this particular person would not help me unless I updated 
my phone at that time. Whatever you believe is not my problem. I'm just telling 
you what that person said so I did what they told me to do and have ever since.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 30, 2020, at 10:33 AM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure why you think Apple can't deny you telephone support for an 
> older unsupported version of IOS. You may be getting telephone support for 
> now, but I doubt it'll last forever. I'm pretty sure Apple isn't releasing 
> security updates for 12.4.1 any more either. Plus there's nothing that says 
> app developers have to continue to support 12.4.1.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of Robin
>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:59 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: for Joshua
>> 
>> Okay, Ms. Shirley
>>   After I  received  Your MessagePosting, which  AppearsBelow this
>> MessagePosting of Mine,  I  decided to Call Apple's AppleAccessibility
>> TelephoneSupport @ 877-204-3930, To InQuire about "what" you said, &  I was
>> informed that I wouldn't Be Denied  TelephoneSupport from Apple's
>> AppleAccessibility because I  refused to update  My VZW XS  MAX  from
>> iOS12.4.1 to  WhatEver is the Latest iOS13 iteration.
>> 
>> (I  Presume)
>> it's because  I  didn't  Update Past iOS12, as  if I did  "they" could say  
>> that the
>> BugFixes were Resolved in a  Future iOS update of iOS13, but since I  
>> refused to
>> UpdatePast iOS12.4.1, I can't Be Denied TelephoneSupport from
>> AppleAccessibility on My VZW XS MAX At 06:30 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
>>> I just hope the device you don't have it on, you won't need help from
>>> Apple Accessibility because they told me they require you to have
>>> whatever device you're requesting help with, to be updated to the
>>> latest version or they won't help you so every since they told me that,
>>> I make sure my devices are all updated.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Aug 29, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> You Ask? How will "I Know"?
> If Ya ReadMyReplyMessagePosting to
>>> ThisThread, I  said, that I  have Apple's iOS13 on My VZW 11PRO
>>> PrimarilyBecause that is the iOS version that it was LaunchedWith, but
>>> My VZW XS MAX wasn't, & Because of  TheBugs
>>> AssociatedWith iOS13, I   Refuse to Update  it
>>> to iOS13, so it Remains on  its Last Update, which  is iOS12.4.1.
 MayBe just MayBe
 You're More TechSavy than I  am. Yeah,
>>> that's  MostLikely TheCase, as I'm not that TechSavy
 
 MyApologies, if this MessagePosting offends, as it isn't intended ToDoSo.
 I'm just Stating-the-Facts, as  "I  See" them
 
 Blessin's to Those on ThisThread
 At 01:56 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
> It's not that bad. How would you know how
>>> bad it is since you haven't updated? Some people are just
>>> unnecessarily paranoid.It's not that bad.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 29, 2020, at 3:31 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, TheBigDeal is iOS13 IS  Buggy,
>>> which is "Why" I  Refuse to Update My VZW XS MAX, as it's going to
>>> Stay ON iOS12.4.1, which is the iOS  version it was when I  Purchased
>>> it, &  I  am PrivyTo TheBugs AssociatedWith
>>> iOS13 because "They" are present on My VZW 11PRO, & that  MobileDevice
>>> is ON AutomaticUpdates (so far). It's TheUser'sChoice To Update or Not
>> At 01:13 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
>>> You can turn automatic update off but I
>>> don't see what the big deal is with not updating.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 29, 2020, at 7:45 AM, Joshua
>>> Hendrickson  wrote:
 
 Well, the good news is, I
>>> don't really mind the new update like I
 thought I would.  The only reason why I updated, was it seemed
 like apple did the update, and I had to enter in my touch ID.
 I didn't have the option of saying later.  There is this weird
 tapping thing that might happen when you update.  You
>>> will feel it when you swipe on
 the screen.  Just call apple accessibility and they will help
 you get rid of that.  You won't be able to check the status
 bar to see the battery level of a bluetooth device.  You have
 to go to battery on page one of your phone to see that.
 Although, usually I can just ask Siri current battery level
 and she will tell me the battery level of my iPhone and a bluetooth
>> device.  If you have to update, good luck.
 It really isn't that bad.
 
> On 8/29/20, Judy Pryor  wrote:
> Hi Joshua, i thought of you last night
>>> when Apple seemed to be forcing me to
> update .  I am still on 12.4.1.  It
>>> was only when I disagreed with the 

RE: Smart Bulbs With Alexa?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes to all 3 questions is correct, but keep in mind that if your mechanical 
switch is turned off the smart bulb will not work. We have Philips Hue bulbs 
and lights throughout our house. For my wife and myself this is no problem, all 
our switches are usually turned on and we just ask Alexa or our Google 
Assistant or SIRI (Philips Hue works with all 3) to turn off whichever light. 
However, when we have visitors they are often confused, so let's say they walk 
into the bathroom and press the decora wall switch which is in the on position, 
but the light is turned off via the smart bulb, then of course nothing happens 
because they just turned off the light. Then they usually press the switch 
again the other way and of course the light now comes on. When they leave the 
room the turn it off again and at that point my wife or I first would have to 
go around the house and turn on all the switches when the visitor or visitors 
are gone and then carry on with using voice controls to turn off the lights.
I bought most of the Philips Hue bulbs years ago when there were not as many 
options available, but if I had to do it over I would not buy smart bulbs but 
rather smart switches. Yes, you have to get an electrician to install them and 
depending on how old the place is there is a small chance they may not work 
because they require a third "neutral" wire" which in some older installations 
is not there, but if it is there I would absolutely go for smart switches 
instead because they work regardless whether somebody just pushed them to turn 
off the lights. The switches from Meross are quite good, they are not as 
expensive and work with Alexa and Google Assistant, also very good are the ones 
from TP Linka nd Lutron. I just did a huge renovation on a new building I 
bought for my retail business and I chose to spend $1,000 on Leviton smart 
switches. I bought the main switches for $54.99 Canadian from a company called 
Aartech Canada, the nice thing is that for $29.99 you can buy what basically is 
a remote control switch for 3-way or 4-way installations. These are switches 
which communicate via Z-Wave so they are not Wi-Fi, but Leviton also makes a 
Wi-Fi version of the switch. I bought these because I have an alarm system from 
Alarm.com and these switches communicate via Z-Wave with the alarm panel and I 
can use the Alarm.com app to control the lights, I think you can also set up 
SIRI shortcuts and possibly Alexa and google Assistant integration, havent
Really explored this yet. I am pretty sure the Wi-Fi version of the switch is 
compatible with SIRI, Alexa and google Assistant. These are basicallyu 
decora-type in-wall switches and they are of very good quality and look nice. A 
Smart bulb is cheaper especially if you don't get the ones which support 
colours and for Fasil if he just wants 2 or 3 bulbs this may still be the 
better way to go, but in any larger application or a new house I'd never put 
anything but actual smart switches.
Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 12:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Smart Bulbs With Alexa?


Yes too all three of your questions.



A smart light-bulb can only work with a mechanical On/Off switch. You obviously 
need to leave the switch on after setting one up for it to work with Lady A.


On 8/29/2020 1:32 AM, Fazil wrote:
Hi, list.
I do apologize if admins think that this is not directly related to iPhone.
I live in an older apartment building in Vancouver, Canada.
I got Echo Dot and installed Alexa from the App-Store.
I have three questions,
1.
Can I use smart light-bulbs in old buildings?
2.
Can I use smart bulbs along with traditional bulbs?
I mean I want smart bulbs at a couple of places only.
3.
Does smart bulb work with mechanical switch too?

Thanks!


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RE: for Joshua

[chaltain]

I'm not sure why you think Apple can't deny you telephone support for an older 
unsupported version of IOS. You may be getting telephone support for now, but I 
doubt it'll last forever. I'm pretty sure Apple isn't releasing security 
updates for 12.4.1 any more either. Plus there's nothing that says app 
developers have to continue to support 12.4.1.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Robin
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: for Joshua
> 
> Okay, Ms. Shirley
>After I  received  Your MessagePosting, which  AppearsBelow this
> MessagePosting of Mine,  I  decided to Call Apple's AppleAccessibility
> TelephoneSupport @ 877-204-3930, To InQuire about "what" you said, &  I was
> informed that I wouldn't Be Denied  TelephoneSupport from Apple's
> AppleAccessibility because I  refused to update  My VZW XS  MAX  from
> iOS12.4.1 to  WhatEver is the Latest iOS13 iteration.
> 
> (I  Presume)
> it's because  I  didn't  Update Past iOS12, as  if I did  "they" could say  
> that the
> BugFixes were Resolved in a  Future iOS update of iOS13, but since I  refused 
> to
> UpdatePast iOS12.4.1, I can't Be Denied TelephoneSupport from
> AppleAccessibility on My VZW XS MAX At 06:30 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
> >I just hope the device you don't have it on, you won't need help from
> >Apple Accessibility because they told me they require you to have
> >whatever device you're requesting help with, to be updated to the
> >latest version or they won't help you so every since they told me that,
> >I make sure my devices are all updated.
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Aug 29, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Robin  wrote:
> > >
> > > You Ask? How will "I Know"?
> > > If Ya ReadMyReplyMessagePosting to
> > ThisThread, I  said, that I  have Apple's iOS13 on My VZW 11PRO
> > PrimarilyBecause that is the iOS version that it was LaunchedWith, but
> > My VZW XS MAX wasn't, & Because of  TheBugs
> > AssociatedWith iOS13, I   Refuse to Update  it
> > to iOS13, so it Remains on  its Last Update, which  is iOS12.4.1.
> > > MayBe just MayBe
> > > You're More TechSavy than I  am. Yeah,
> > that's  MostLikely TheCase, as I'm not that TechSavy
> > >
> > > MyApologies, if this MessagePosting offends, as it isn't intended ToDoSo.
> > > I'm just Stating-the-Facts, as  "I  See" them
> > >
> > > Blessin's to Those on ThisThread
> > > At 01:56 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
> > >> It's not that bad. How would you know how
> > bad it is since you haven't updated? Some people are just
> > unnecessarily paranoid.It's not that bad.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >> > On Aug 29, 2020, at 3:31 PM, Robin  wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Well, TheBigDeal is iOS13 IS  Buggy,
> > which is "Why" I  Refuse to Update My VZW XS MAX, as it's going to
> > Stay ON iOS12.4.1, which is the iOS  version it was when I  Purchased
> > it, &  I  am PrivyTo TheBugs AssociatedWith
> > iOS13 because "They" are present on My VZW 11PRO, & that  MobileDevice
> > is ON AutomaticUpdates (so far). It's TheUser'sChoice To Update or Not
> > >> > At 01:13 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote:
> > >> >> You can turn automatic update off but I
> > don't see what the big deal is with not updating.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > On Aug 29, 2020, at 7:45 AM, Joshua
> > Hendrickson  wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Well, the good news is, I
> > don't really mind the new update like I
> > >> >> > thought I would.  The only reason why I updated, was it seemed
> > >> >> > like apple did the update, and I had to enter in my touch ID.
> > >> >> > I didn't have the option of saying later.  There is this weird
> > >> >> > tapping thing that might happen when you update.  You
> > will feel it when you swipe on
> > >> >> > the screen.  Just call apple accessibility and they will help
> > >> >> > you get rid of that.  You won't be able to check the status
> > >> >> > bar to see the battery level of a bluetooth device.  You have
> > >> >> > to go to battery on page one of your phone to see that.
> > >> >> > Although, usually I can just ask Siri current battery level
> > >> >> > and she will tell me the battery level of my iPhone and a bluetooth
> device.  If you have to update, good luck.
> > >> >> > It really isn't that bad.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> On 8/29/20, Judy Pryor  wrote:
> > >> >> >> Hi Joshua, i thought of you last night
> > when Apple seemed to be forcing me to
> > >> >> >> update .  I am still on 12.4.1.  It
> > was only when I disagreed with the terms
> > >> >> >> did it go away. Today they are trying
> > again.  What I wanted to know is how
> > >> >> >> are you getting along with the latest
> > update.  I am using the old SE.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Many thanks
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Judy
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >>  On 28 Aug 2020, at 23:16, Joshua
> > Hendrickson  

Re: Using and setting up iPhones without Sims?

[Robert Doc Wright]

yes, I use my 6s+ that way.
**
If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the learning 
start?

Family times where there is fun for every ear!
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- Original Message - 
From: "Gerardo Corripio" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: Using and setting up iPhones without Sims?


Exactly that’s what I’m afraid of! But too would you guys change the battery 
on a 5S, to use it as an IPod of sorts? If so, could this phone be set up 
without a Sim card inserted?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 29 ago 2020, a la(s) 7:36 a.m., Gordon  
> escribió:
>
> I would speak with Apple about this and see if a battery replacement 
> might be possible. You don't want that battery exploding on you for sure. 
> That could be highly dangerous and might even start a fire. You should not 
> ever plug this phone into power until this is resolved.
>
>> On 8/29/2020 7:33 AM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:
>> Can one set up and use an iPHone 5S without a SimCard inserted in? This 
>> phone is deleted and restored to default, however the screen is so 
>> swollen that it’s sometimes difficult flicking, double-tapping and 
>> others. If I had enough money, I’d buy myself an IPOd touch at least for 
>> the purposes of multimedia consumption, and others (I’d like it to be 
>> sort of a Victor Reader Stream on Stieriods), but ‘m worried that the 5S 
>> might exlode on me! what would you guys suggest? or just leave it as a 
>> museum artifact?
>>
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>>
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