Re: netflix

[ליאל בן סימון]

Hi, i think that NetFlix dosn’t support it.

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> ‫ב-16 באוק׳ 2020, בשעה 7:50, ‏‏Doug Sloan ‏ כתב/ה:‬
> 
> 
> Hi all
>  
> Would anyone know does Netflix have voice control? Foxtel have just released 
> their voice control works very well
>  
> Cheers
> Doug 16-10-2020
>  
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RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Simon A Fogarty]

I was under the impression that this was the intention for the next years 
models.

 This is what Samsung did with their higher end  phones.

Simon f


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, 16 October 2020 5:41 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

I think where eventually this seems to be going is that you can put your finger 
anywhere on the screen and it will recognize your finger print. If that becomes 
a reality and it would be combined with Face Id and you could use either or 
then that would be the perfect 10 out of 10, I could use Touch Id if the phone 
was in my pocket or at night if I'm just reaching over to my phone on the side 
table and I could use Face Id in the winter when I'm wearing gloves or if my 
hands are scratched up from working in my woodworking shop.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

For myself, I would rather have face ID then have touch ID on the back of the 
phone, which I think is stupid, or under the screen, where I have to guess at 
where the sensor might be. I thought Samsung had a good idea when they put it 
on the side button with the galaxy, was it the nine or the 10 the cheap one I 
think it was 10 year or something? That made some sense. Otherwise, I don’t see 
the issue with Face ID. My 10 R works fine.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2020, at 7:26 PM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Touch ID doesn't need to be associated with a home button. Android phones 
> have touch ID sensors on the back of the phone or built into the power 
> button. They also have finger print sensors under the screen.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Carolyn
>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 5:45 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>> 
>> They removed Touch ID, because there is no Home Button on the newer 
>> model phones, other than the SE, which has fingerprint ID.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Shirley Baker
>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 3:00 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>> 
>> 
>> Why have they removed touch ID from the newer phones?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>>On Oct 15, 2020, at 1:08 PM, Devin Prater 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>>I'd definitely take TouchID back. I'll be waiting for the next iPhone.
>> 
>>Devin Prater
>>sent from Gmail.
>> 
>> 
>>On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 12:54 PM Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net 
>>  > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>If I could have touch or facial ID, I'd take touch; I think it 
>> is more secure. Actually, I think it extremely unlikely that someone 
>> would hold up my phone and snatch it, once it was on, but there is 
>> that likelihood with facial, where with touch, I'd really be in 
>> trouble if someone force my finger, and they wouldn't know which to 
>> use, because I did not use my forefinger, when I had fingerprint. I 
>> guess they'd know if they'd seen me with my phone. Anyway, it does seem 
>> maybe a smidgen more secure to have touch rather than facial ID.
>> 
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>   [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>  ] On Behalf Of chalt...@gmail.com 
>> 
>>Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:36 AM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> 
>>Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>> 
>>For my part, I just find touch ID to be a bit more convenient 
>> then face ID. There are just those times when I don't need to hold 
>> the phone up to my face, like when I'm lying down or sitting at a 
>> table. My hand is already on the phone, since I have to touch the 
>> screen to interact with it, so it would be no big deal to use touch 
>> ID.  With face ID though, I have to remember to then hold it up to my 
>> face, and since I didn't do it immediately, I may have to do it more 
>> then once or just resort to entering my PIN. I don't hate face ID, 
>> and I wouldn't avoid buying a phone just because it didn't have touch ID, 
>> but with all things being equal, I'd go with a phone that supported touch ID.
>> 
>>--
>>Christopher (AKA CJ)
>>Chaltain at Gmail
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>   >  > On Behalf Of
>>> Michael Maslo
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 

netflix

[Doug Sloan]

Hi all

 

Would anyone know does Netflix have voice control? Foxtel have just released
their voice control works very well

 

Cheers

Doug 16-10-2020

 

 

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RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I think where eventually this seems to be going is that you can put your finger 
anywhere on the screen and it will recognize your finger print. If that becomes 
a reality and it would be combined with Face Id and you could use either or 
then that would be the perfect 10 out of 10, I could use Touch Id if the phone 
was in my pocket or at night if I'm just reaching over to my phone on the side 
table and I could use Face Id in the winter when I'm wearing gloves or if my 
hands are scratched up from working in my woodworking shop.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

For myself, I would rather have face ID then have touch ID on the back of the 
phone, which I think is stupid, or under the screen, where I have to guess at 
where the sensor might be. I thought Samsung had a good idea when they put it 
on the side button with the galaxy, was it the nine or the 10 the cheap one I 
think it was 10 year or something? That made some sense. Otherwise, I don’t see 
the issue with Face ID. My 10 R works fine.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2020, at 7:26 PM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Touch ID doesn't need to be associated with a home button. Android phones 
> have touch ID sensors on the back of the phone or built into the power 
> button. They also have finger print sensors under the screen.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Carolyn
>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 5:45 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>> 
>> They removed Touch ID, because there is no Home Button on the newer 
>> model phones, other than the SE, which has fingerprint ID.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Shirley Baker
>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 3:00 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>> 
>> 
>> Why have they removed touch ID from the newer phones?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>>On Oct 15, 2020, at 1:08 PM, Devin Prater 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>>I'd definitely take TouchID back. I'll be waiting for the next iPhone.
>> 
>>Devin Prater
>>sent from Gmail.
>> 
>> 
>>On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 12:54 PM Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net 
>>  > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>If I could have touch or facial ID, I'd take touch; I think it 
>> is more secure. Actually, I think it extremely unlikely that someone 
>> would hold up my phone and snatch it, once it was on, but there is 
>> that likelihood with facial, where with touch, I'd really be in 
>> trouble if someone force my finger, and they wouldn't know which to 
>> use, because I did not use my forefinger, when I had fingerprint. I 
>> guess they'd know if they'd seen me with my phone. Anyway, it does seem 
>> maybe a smidgen more secure to have touch rather than facial ID.
>> 
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>   [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>  ] On Behalf Of chalt...@gmail.com 
>> 
>>Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:36 AM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> 
>>Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>> 
>>For my part, I just find touch ID to be a bit more convenient 
>> then face ID. There are just those times when I don't need to hold 
>> the phone up to my face, like when I'm lying down or sitting at a 
>> table. My hand is already on the phone, since I have to touch the 
>> screen to interact with it, so it would be no big deal to use touch 
>> ID.  With face ID though, I have to remember to then hold it up to my 
>> face, and since I didn't do it immediately, I may have to do it more 
>> then once or just resort to entering my PIN. I don't hate face ID, 
>> and I wouldn't avoid buying a phone just because it didn't have touch ID, 
>> but with all things being equal, I'd go with a phone that supported touch ID.
>> 
>>--
>>Christopher (AKA CJ)
>>Chaltain at Gmail
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>   >  > On Behalf Of
>>> Michael Maslo
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:35 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>>> Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>>>
>>> Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want 
>> finger  print
>>> scan instead of facial ID?
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Michael 

RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You can use Face Id exactly in the same way as Touch Id to unlock your phone, 
open apps which have their own security or approve sign-ins or Apple Pay 
transactions.
Both have their advantages and I agree that ultimately if they come out with 
phones where you can use either it would be the best of both worlds.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shirley 
Baker
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

I like touch because it's very easy. I've never had face ID so I can only take 
other people's wordAnother reason I like touch is that instead of entering your 
password on websites, you can just use touch ID. How easy is that..
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 15, 2020, at 1:08 PM, Devin Prater 
mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'd definitely take TouchID back. I'll be waiting for the next iPhone.
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 12:54 PM Carolyn 
<4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
If I could have touch or facial ID, I'd take touch; I think it is more secure. 
Actually, I think it extremely unlikely that someone would hold up my phone and 
snatch it, once it was on, but there is that likelihood with facial, where with 
touch, I'd really be in trouble if someone force my finger, and they wouldn't 
know which to use, because I did not use my forefinger, when I had fingerprint. 
I guess they'd know if they'd seen me with my phone. Anyway, it does seem maybe 
a smidgen more secure to have touch rather than facial ID.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

For my part, I just find touch ID to be a bit more convenient then face ID. 
There are just those times when I don't need to hold the phone up to my face, 
like when I'm lying down or sitting at a table. My hand is already on the 
phone, since I have to touch the screen to interact with it, so it would be no 
big deal to use touch ID.  With face ID though, I have to remember to then hold 
it up to my face, and since I didn't do it immediately, I may have to do it 
more then once or just resort to entering my PIN. I don't hate face ID, and I 
wouldn't avoid buying a phone just because it didn't have touch ID, but with 
all things being equal, I'd go with a phone that supported touch ID.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
> Michael Maslo
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>
> Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  print
> scan instead of facial ID?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Michael maslo
>
> > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor 
> > mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a
> > fingerprint sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 series.
> >
> > I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at
> > its conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."
> >
> > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple
> > orchard; but not quite.
> >
> > You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on
> > the new iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not
> > using a fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy
> > phone, every single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it,
> > and do it extremely well, I might add, then why not Apple?
> >
> > Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn
> > and we must reap, what we must.
> >
> > I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near future.
> >
> > I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my
> > beloved 8 Plus for a little longer.
> >
> > Mark
> >
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Re: Review iPhone 12 series??

[Darshan Beniwal]

I don't understand that why apple is not providing charger adopter and 
earphones/headphones? They claim that they didn't include these to reduce 
carbon emission. Are they kidding man or am I missing something else? If so 
one can imagine that in 2030 there release an iPhone 20, and will state 
that we didn't include headset/phone because we care about the environment 
and assume that buyer already have phone. ☺️ ☺️

On Friday, 16 October 2020 05:41:04 UTC+5:30, simon wrote:
>
> But how is it that you know verizons 5g mm band is difficult to connect to 
> when as yet it hasn't been released 
> And the iPhone 12 range hasn't even been pre ordered yet! 
>
> I do so love how people know how well these things work when they either 
> haven’t tried them or the products are not even available. 
>
>
> Why don't people just wait for the devices and networks to be rolled out 
> to the world and give it a go before you start bad mouthing things 
>
>   
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: vip...@googlegroups.com   > On Behalf Of Mary Otten 
> Sent: Friday, 16 October 2020 6:57 am 
> To: vip...@googlegroups.com  
> Subject: Re: Review iPhone 12 series?? 
>
> I am with you on 5G, Les and Alan. I think it’s a bunch of height, 
> especially Verizon and their MM wave which is vanishingly difficult to 
> actually connect to. So they’re ripping you off yet again. It’s interesting 
> that both they and AT are giving a little subsidy on the iPhone. They 
> must be desperate. I think the SE2 could be very compelling. That’s 
> especially if you like a home button. 
> I’m sticking with my 10 R. 
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
>
> > On Oct 14, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Les Kriegler  > wrote: 
> > 
> > Hi Alan, 
> > I am also with you and Richard. I will share my experience in the hopes 
> it will help others. I have been a Verizon customer for many years. As a 
> result, I am on a Loyalty Plan for individuals 55 and older. I was 
> seriously considering the iPhone 12 Mini and had a lengthy conversation 
> with a Verizon rep. Then I asked about how this would affect our plan. I 
> learned that if I purchased a 5G capable phone, I would have to switch to a 
> 5g plan. Our bill would go up by $54 per month. It gets worse. I live in a 
> town which does not have 5G yet. No way to tell when that might come here. 
> So I would be paying an extra $54 per month for a service I cannot use. 
> Guess what I'm doing? I'm now looking at either the SEor the iPhone 11 pro. 
> I would welcome any comments pro or con about either phone. For me, 5G is 
> out. Even if it were available, I don't think it's worth an extra $54 per 
> month. Now, this could change, but it does not matter to me at this point. 
> > Best Regards, 
> > 
> > Les 
> > 
> > -Original Message- 
> > From: vip...@googlegroups.com   > On Behalf Of 
> > Alan Lemly 
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 4:43 PM 
> > To: vip...@googlegroups.com  
> > Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series?? 
> > 
> > I'm with Richard here. Be aware that all the hoopla about 5G will 
> require use of cellular data and I suspect that at some point, carriers 
> will be charging accordingly to recover whatever hardware they've priced 
> low to get you into their fold. I still intend to primarily use wifi since 
> I'm using my iPhone at home most of the time and don't intend to increase 
> the capacity of my cellular plan whether using 4G or 5G. 
> > 
> > Alan Lemly 
> > 
> > -Original Message- 
> > From: vip...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> vip...@googlegroups.com ] On 
> > Behalf Of Richard Turner 
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 8:48 AM 
> > To: vip...@googlegroups.com  
> > Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series?? 
> > 
> > I usually follow the motto that if it looks too good to be true, it 
> probably is. 
> > What kind of contract commitments do they want with these amazing 
> pricings? 
> > 
> > If it locks you into a 2 year contract at a given level, I'd make sure I 
> understand the possible down sides. 
> > If it is right for a person, then that's great! 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Richard 
> > "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must 
> > pass himself,  and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of 
> > ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have 
> > regretted not granting grace to others, I ve never once regretted 
> > extending it.)" - Edward Herbert 
> > 
> > -Original Message- 
> > From: vip...@googlegroups.com   > On Behalf Of 
> > Wayne Merritt 
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 6:45 AM 
> > To: vip...@googlegroups.com  
> > Subject: Re: Review iPhone 12 series?? 
> > 
> > For those looking to upgrade to the new phones, I found some aggressive 
> pricing from AT and Verizon mentioned in the Apple Store app, like an 
> $800 credit from AT They really want to get everyone on 5G, and same 
> from Verizon it looks like. I wasn't planning on getting one, but this may 
> change my mind. I've never heard of major carriers 

Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Michael Maslo]

For me, if they go back to the touch ID I will leave the Apple iPhone behind 
and go to something else which off with facial ID.

Sincerely,

Michael maslo

> On Oct 15, 2020, at 21:26, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Touch ID doesn't need to be associated with a home button. Android phones 
> have touch ID sensors on the back of the phone or built into the power 
> button. They also have finger print sensors under the screen.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of Carolyn
>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 5:45 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>> 
>> They removed Touch ID, because there is no Home Button on the newer model
>> phones, other than the SE, which has fingerprint ID.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Shirley Baker
>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 3:00 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>> 
>> 
>> Why have they removed touch ID from the newer phones?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>>On Oct 15, 2020, at 1:08 PM, Devin Prater 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>>I'd definitely take TouchID back. I'll be waiting for the next iPhone.
>> 
>>Devin Prater
>>sent from Gmail.
>> 
>> 
>>On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 12:54 PM Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net
>>  > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>If I could have touch or facial ID, I'd take touch; I think it is more
>> secure. Actually, I think it extremely unlikely that someone would hold up my
>> phone and snatch it, once it was on, but there is that likelihood with 
>> facial,
>> where with touch, I'd really be in trouble if someone force my finger, and 
>> they
>> wouldn't know which to use, because I did not use my forefinger, when I had
>> fingerprint. I guess they'd know if they'd seen me with my phone. Anyway, it
>> does seem maybe a smidgen more secure to have touch rather than facial ID.
>> 
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>   [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
>>  ] On Behalf Of chalt...@gmail.com
>> 
>>Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:36 AM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> 
>>Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>> 
>>For my part, I just find touch ID to be a bit more convenient
>> then face ID. There are just those times when I don't need to hold the phone 
>> up
>> to my face, like when I'm lying down or sitting at a table. My hand is 
>> already on
>> the phone, since I have to touch the screen to interact with it, so it would 
>> be no
>> big deal to use touch ID.  With face ID though, I have to remember to then 
>> hold
>> it up to my face, and since I didn't do it immediately, I may have to do it 
>> more
>> then once or just resort to entering my PIN. I don't hate face ID, and I 
>> wouldn't
>> avoid buying a phone just because it didn't have touch ID, but with all 
>> things
>> being equal, I'd go with a phone that supported touch ID.
>> 
>>--
>>Christopher (AKA CJ)
>>Chaltain at Gmail
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>   >  > On Behalf Of
>>> Michael Maslo
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:35 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> 
>>> Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>>>
>>> Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want
>> finger  print
>>> scan instead of facial ID?
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Michael maslo
>>>
>>> > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor >  > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hello Everyone,
>>> >
>>> > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include
>> a
>>> > fingerprint sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone
>> 12 series.
>>> >
>>> > I watched the entire presentation and could not help
>> thinking, at
>>> > its conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."
>>> >
>>> > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave
>> the Apple
>>> > orchard; but not quite.
>>> >
>>> > You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint
>> sensor on
>>> > the new iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I
>> were not
>>> > using a fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung
>> Galaxy
>>> > phone, every single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung
>> can do it,
>>> > and do it extremely well, I might add, 

Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Mary Otten]

For myself, I would rather have face ID then have touch ID on the back of the 
phone, which I think is stupid, or under the screen, where I have to guess at 
where the sensor might be. I thought Samsung had a good idea when they put it 
on the side button with the galaxy, was it the nine or the 10 the cheap one I 
think it was 10 year or something? That made some sense. Otherwise, I don’t see 
the issue with Face ID. My 10 R works fine.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2020, at 7:26 PM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Touch ID doesn't need to be associated with a home button. Android phones 
> have touch ID sensors on the back of the phone or built into the power 
> button. They also have finger print sensors under the screen.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of Carolyn
>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 5:45 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>> 
>> They removed Touch ID, because there is no Home Button on the newer model
>> phones, other than the SE, which has fingerprint ID.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Shirley Baker
>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 3:00 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>> 
>> 
>> Why have they removed touch ID from the newer phones?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>>On Oct 15, 2020, at 1:08 PM, Devin Prater 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>>I'd definitely take TouchID back. I'll be waiting for the next iPhone.
>> 
>>Devin Prater
>>sent from Gmail.
>> 
>> 
>>On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 12:54 PM Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net
>>  > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>If I could have touch or facial ID, I'd take touch; I think it is more
>> secure. Actually, I think it extremely unlikely that someone would hold up my
>> phone and snatch it, once it was on, but there is that likelihood with 
>> facial,
>> where with touch, I'd really be in trouble if someone force my finger, and 
>> they
>> wouldn't know which to use, because I did not use my forefinger, when I had
>> fingerprint. I guess they'd know if they'd seen me with my phone. Anyway, it
>> does seem maybe a smidgen more secure to have touch rather than facial ID.
>> 
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>   [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
>>  ] On Behalf Of chalt...@gmail.com
>> 
>>Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:36 AM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> 
>>Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>> 
>>For my part, I just find touch ID to be a bit more convenient
>> then face ID. There are just those times when I don't need to hold the phone 
>> up
>> to my face, like when I'm lying down or sitting at a table. My hand is 
>> already on
>> the phone, since I have to touch the screen to interact with it, so it would 
>> be no
>> big deal to use touch ID.  With face ID though, I have to remember to then 
>> hold
>> it up to my face, and since I didn't do it immediately, I may have to do it 
>> more
>> then once or just resort to entering my PIN. I don't hate face ID, and I 
>> wouldn't
>> avoid buying a phone just because it didn't have touch ID, but with all 
>> things
>> being equal, I'd go with a phone that supported touch ID.
>> 
>>--
>>Christopher (AKA CJ)
>>Chaltain at Gmail
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>   >  > On Behalf Of
>>> Michael Maslo
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:35 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> 
>>> Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>>>
>>> Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want
>> finger  print
>>> scan instead of facial ID?
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Michael maslo
>>>
>>> > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor >  > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hello Everyone,
>>> >
>>> > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include
>> a
>>> > fingerprint sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone
>> 12 series.
>>> >
>>> > I watched the entire presentation and could not help
>> thinking, at
>>> > its conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."
>>> >
>>> > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave
>> the Apple
>>> > orchard; but not quite.
>>> >
>>> > You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint
>> sensor on

RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[chaltain]

Touch ID doesn't need to be associated with a home button. Android phones have 
touch ID sensors on the back of the phone or built into the power button. They 
also have finger print sensors under the screen.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Carolyn
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 5:45 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
> 
> They removed Touch ID, because there is no Home Button on the newer model
> phones, other than the SE, which has fingerprint ID.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Shirley Baker
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 3:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
> 
> 
> Why have they removed touch ID from the newer phones?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>   On Oct 15, 2020, at 1:08 PM, Devin Prater 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>   
>   I'd definitely take TouchID back. I'll be waiting for the next iPhone.
> 
>   Devin Prater
>   sent from Gmail.
> 
> 
>   On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 12:54 PM Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net
>  > wrote:
> 
> 
>   If I could have touch or facial ID, I'd take touch; I think it 
> is more
> secure. Actually, I think it extremely unlikely that someone would hold up my
> phone and snatch it, once it was on, but there is that likelihood with facial,
> where with touch, I'd really be in trouble if someone force my finger, and 
> they
> wouldn't know which to use, because I did not use my forefinger, when I had
> fingerprint. I guess they'd know if they'd seen me with my phone. Anyway, it
> does seem maybe a smidgen more secure to have touch rather than facial ID.
> 
>   -Original Message-
>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of chalt...@gmail.com
> 
>   Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:36 AM
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> 
>   Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
> 
>   For my part, I just find touch ID to be a bit more convenient
> then face ID. There are just those times when I don't need to hold the phone 
> up
> to my face, like when I'm lying down or sitting at a table. My hand is 
> already on
> the phone, since I have to touch the screen to interact with it, so it would 
> be no
> big deal to use touch ID.  With face ID though, I have to remember to then 
> hold
> it up to my face, and since I didn't do it immediately, I may have to do it 
> more
> then once or just resort to entering my PIN. I don't hate face ID, and I 
> wouldn't
> avoid buying a phone just because it didn't have touch ID, but with all things
> being equal, I'd go with a phone that supported touch ID.
> 
>   --
>   Christopher (AKA CJ)
>   Chaltain at Gmail
> 
>   > -Original Message-
>   > From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>     > On Behalf Of
>   > Michael Maslo
>   > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:35 PM
>   > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> 
>   > Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>   >
>   > Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want
> finger  print
>   > scan instead of facial ID?
>   >
>   > Sincerely,
>   >
>   > Michael maslo
>   >
>   > > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor   > wrote:
>   > >
>   > > Hello Everyone,
>   > >
>   > > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include
> a
>   > > fingerprint sensor on at least one of its devices in the 
> iPhone
> 12 series.
>   > >
>   > > I watched the entire presentation and could not help
> thinking, at
>   > > its conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."
>   > >
>   > > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave
> the Apple
>   > > orchard; but not quite.
>   > >
>   > > You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint
> sensor on
>   > > the new iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I
> were not
>   > > using a fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung
> Galaxy
>   > > phone, every single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung
> can do it,
>   > > and do it extremely well, I might add, then why not Apple?
>   > >
>   

RE: Screen locks when on phone call

[Doug Sloan]

I spoke to apple accessibility regarding this and they told me to reset my 
phone back to factory settings didn't make any difference I have touch ID still 
very annoying

  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn
Sent: Friday, 16 October 2020 9:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen locks when on phone call

I do have a passcode, but have gotten really fast with it. 

-Original Message-
From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 3:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen locks when on phone call

Apple Accessibility have just emailed me to sat Apple are aware of the problem 
and are investigating. If you have no passcode, it is not a problem - if you 
have a passcode, it is a pain!
Harry

> On 15 Oct 2020, at 18:55, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Mine does that, but I have it set on two minutes. I just press the button on 
> the right side, and it opens. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 10:48 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Screen locks when on phone call
> 
> Thanks for confirming tgat, Rick! Yet another bug to report to Apple!
> Harry
> 
>> On 15 Oct 2020, at 14:36, rick.alf...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> I'm seeing exactly the same behavior on my iPhone 11 running IOS 14.01. 
>> Very annoying.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Warmest regards
>> 
>> Rick Alfaro
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 12:57 AM
>> To: Abridged Recipients 
>> Subject: Screen locks when on phone call
>> 
>> 
>>> 
 On my iPhone SE 2020 running iOS 14.0.1, even though I have autolock set 
 to never when I am on a phone call the screen locks and therefore thes two 
 finger magic tap does not work to end tge call. I have to first of all 
 wake the phone with my finger ID before the magic tap will work. Is this a 
 bug or not?
 Thanks
 Harry
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RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Simon A Fogarty]

Makes robbing a bank easier if you have the mask on.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Irons
Sent: Friday, 16 October 2020 1:58 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

I am not willing to face Face ID if I have to wear a mask.
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 15, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Gerardo Corripio 
mailto:gera1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Why not graban SE2? Its 4.7-inch screen, Home Button (though not physical but 
virtual like on the 7and 8), and TouchID. It’s sound is awesome! Thus I feel 
it’s the best pone out there so far! Cheaper tan the 12,great sound, récords in 
stereo, and small.


  Enviado desde 
Correo para Windows 10

De: Michael Maslo
Enviado: miércoles, 14 de octubre de 2020 11:34 p. m.
Para: viphone@googlegroups.com
Asunto: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  print scan 
instead of facial ID?

Sincerely,

Michael maslo

> On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> 
> wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a fingerprint
> sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 series.
>
> I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at its
> conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."
>
> I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple
> orchard; but not quite.
>
> You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on the new
> iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not using a
> fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy phone, every
> single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it, and do it extremely
> well, I might add, then why not Apple?
>
> Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn and we
> must reap, what we must.
>
> I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near future.
>
> I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my beloved 8
> Plus for a little longer.
>
> Mark
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Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Michael Irons]

I am not willing to face Face ID if I have to wear a mask.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> Why not graban SE2? Its 4.7-inch screen, Home Button (though not physical but 
> virtual like on the 7and 8), and TouchID. It’s sound is awesome! Thus I feel 
> it’s the best pone out there so far! Cheaper tan the 12,great sound, récords 
> in stereo, and small.
>  
>   
> Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10
>  
> De: Michael Maslo
> Enviado: miércoles, 14 de octubre de 2020 11:34 p. m.
> Para: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Asunto: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>  
> Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  print scan 
> instead of facial ID?
>  
> Sincerely,
>  
> Michael maslo
>  
> > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor  wrote:
> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a fingerprint
> > sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 series. 
> >
> > I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at its
> > conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID." 
> >
> > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple
> > orchard; but not quite.
> >
> > You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on the new
> > iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not using a
> > fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy phone, every
> > single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it, and do it extremely
> > well, I might add, then why not Apple? 
> >
> > Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn and we
> > must reap, what we must. 
> >
> > I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near future. 
> >
> > I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my beloved 8
> > Plus for a little longer.
> >
> > Mark
> >
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Re: Updating IOS on WIFI instead of iTunes

[Mike B]

It'll take awhile to download and you should be able to swipe left and right 
to get an idea of what's happening.  I wish I could be more specific, but 
when I tried to update my old SE we were having Wifi / internet problems and 
so I had to update using iTunes.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers & Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government 
program.

- Original Message - 
From: Cher Bosch
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: Updating IOS on WIFI instead of iTunes


I do have it on the charger- hearing nothing so far- but no idea how long it 
will take on WIFI. So, is it true that WIFI usually takes longer than 
iTunes? Thanks for your ready help.



Cher



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
B
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 6:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Updating IOS on WIFI instead of iTunes



Hi Cher,



The phone will be on when you update your iOS using Wifi, it just might be a 
little slower doing with Wifi verses iTunes.  I forget all what you will 
read or hear , but if you do use Wifi you'll be able to keep track of what's 
happening.  I'm sure you'll do this anyways, but I would plug your into the 
charging cable for the updating process.


Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers & Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government 
program.

- Original Message - 

From: Cher Bosch

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 3:14 PM

Subject: Updating IOS on WIFI instead of iTunes



Have always used iTunes- how do you find out the progress if using WIFI? 
Assuming you can’t exactly turn on the phone to check 



Cher





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RE: Updating IOS on WIFI instead of iTunes

[Simon A Fogarty]

At do you mean by wifi takes longer than iTunes,

They are two totally different things.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cher 
Bosch
Sent: Friday, 16 October 2020 1:28 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Updating IOS on WIFI instead of iTunes

I do have it on the charger- hearing nothing so far- but no idea how long it 
will take on WIFI. So, is it true that WIFI usually takes longer than iTunes? 
Thanks for your ready help.

Cher

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 6:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Updating IOS on WIFI instead of iTunes

Hi Cher,

The phone will be on when you update your iOS using Wifi, it just might be a 
little slower doing with Wifi verses iTunes.  I forget all what you will read 
or hear , but if you do use Wifi you'll be able to keep track of what's 
happening.  I'm sure you'll do this anyways, but I would plug your into the 
charging cable for the updating process.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers & Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.
- Original Message -
From: Cher Bosch
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 3:14 PM
Subject: Updating IOS on WIFI instead of iTunes

Have always used iTunes- how do you find out the progress if using WIFI? 
Assuming you can’t exactly turn on the phone to check 

Cher


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RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Simon A Fogarty]

That is one of the rumours for the 2021 range of iPhone devices.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: Friday, 16 October 2020 11:55 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

Interestingly enough, apple announced a new iPad Air last month that will have 
touch ID built into the power button. I was really hoping they were going to do 
the same with at least one of the new iPhone 12 models.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2020, at 3:44 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> They removed Touch ID, because there is no Home Button on the newer model 
> phones, other than the SE, which has fingerprint ID. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Shirley Baker
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 3:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
> 
> 
> Why have they removed touch ID from the newer phones?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>On Oct 15, 2020, at 1:08 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>I'd definitely take TouchID back. I'll be waiting for the next iPhone.
>
>Devin Prater
>sent from Gmail.
> 
> 
>On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 12:54 PM Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net 
>  > wrote:
>
> 
>If I could have touch or facial ID, I'd take touch; I think it is more 
> secure. Actually, I think it extremely unlikely that someone would hold up my 
> phone and snatch it, once it was on, but there is that likelihood with 
> facial, where with touch, I'd really be in trouble if someone force my 
> finger, and they wouldn't know which to use, because I did not use my 
> forefinger, when I had fingerprint. I guess they'd know if they'd seen me 
> with my phone. Anyway, it does seem maybe a smidgen more secure to have touch 
> rather than facial ID. 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  ] On 
> Behalf Of chalt...@gmail.com  
>Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:36 AM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>
>For my part, I just find touch ID to be a bit more convenient then 
> face ID. There are just those times when I don't need to hold the phone up to 
> my face, like when I'm lying down or sitting at a table. My hand is already 
> on the phone, since I have to touch the screen to interact with it, so it 
> would be no big deal to use touch ID.  With face ID though, I have to 
> remember to then hold it up to my face, and since I didn't do it immediately, 
> I may have to do it more then once or just resort to entering my PIN. I don't 
> hate face ID, and I wouldn't avoid buying a phone just because it didn't have 
> touch ID, but with all things being equal, I'd go with a phone that supported 
> touch ID.
>
>--
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>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
>> Michael Maslo
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:35 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>> 
>> Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  
> print 
>> scan instead of facial ID?
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Michael maslo
>> 
>> > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor   > wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello Everyone,
>> >
>> > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a 
>> > fingerprint sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 
> series.
>> >
>> > I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at 
>> > its conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."
>> >
>> > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the 
> Apple 
>> > orchard; but not quite.
>> >
>> > You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor 
> on 
>> > the new iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were 
> not 
>> > using a fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung 
> Galaxy 
>> > phone, every single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do 
> it, 
>> > and do it extremely well, I might add, then why not Apple?
>> >
>> > Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been 
> sewn 
>> > and we must reap, what we must.
>> >
>> > I 

RE: Updating IOS on WIFI instead of iTunes

[Cher Bosch]

I do have it on the charger- hearing nothing so far- but no idea how long it 
will take on WIFI. So, is it true that WIFI usually takes longer than iTunes? 
Thanks for your ready help.

 

Cher

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 6:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Updating IOS on WIFI instead of iTunes

 

Hi Cher,

 

The phone will be on when you update your iOS using Wifi, it just might be a 
little slower doing with Wifi verses iTunes.  I forget all what you will read 
or hear , but if you do use Wifi you'll be able to keep track of what's 
happening.  I'm sure you'll do this anyways, but I would plug your into the 
charging cable for the updating process.


Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers & Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.

- Original Message - 

From: Cher Bosch   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 3:14 PM

Subject: Updating IOS on WIFI instead of iTunes

 

Have always used iTunes- how do you find out the progress if using WIFI? 
Assuming you can’t exactly turn on the phone to check 

 

Cher

 

 

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RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Simon A Fogarty]

Oh well please feed that back to apple as they are the ones that thought the 
change would be good and they must have got something right as they’ve sold a 
lot of face id phones.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julie 
Dawson
Sent: Friday, 16 October 2020 8:07 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

I truly wish they hadn't. What a detrament.
- Original Message -
From: Shirley Baker
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

Why have they removed touch ID from the newer phones?
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 15, 2020, at 1:08 PM, Devin Prater 
mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'd definitely take TouchID back. I'll be waiting for the next iPhone.
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 12:54 PM Carolyn 
<4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
If I could have touch or facial ID, I'd take touch; I think it is more secure. 
Actually, I think it extremely unlikely that someone would hold up my phone and 
snatch it, once it was on, but there is that likelihood with facial, where with 
touch, I'd really be in trouble if someone force my finger, and they wouldn't 
know which to use, because I did not use my forefinger, when I had fingerprint. 
I guess they'd know if they'd seen me with my phone. Anyway, it does seem maybe 
a smidgen more secure to have touch rather than facial ID.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

For my part, I just find touch ID to be a bit more convenient then face ID. 
There are just those times when I don't need to hold the phone up to my face, 
like when I'm lying down or sitting at a table. My hand is already on the 
phone, since I have to touch the screen to interact with it, so it would be no 
big deal to use touch ID.  With face ID though, I have to remember to then hold 
it up to my face, and since I didn't do it immediately, I may have to do it 
more then once or just resort to entering my PIN. I don't hate face ID, and I 
wouldn't avoid buying a phone just because it didn't have touch ID, but with 
all things being equal, I'd go with a phone that supported touch ID.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
> Michael Maslo
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>
> Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  print
> scan instead of facial ID?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Michael maslo
>
> > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor 
> > mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a
> > fingerprint sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 series.
> >
> > I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at
> > its conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."
> >
> > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple
> > orchard; but not quite.
> >
> > You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on
> > the new iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not
> > using a fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy
> > phone, every single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it,
> > and do it extremely well, I might add, then why not Apple?
> >
> > Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn
> > and we must reap, what we must.
> >
> > I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near future.
> >
> > I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my
> > beloved 8 Plus for a little longer.
> >
> > Mark
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RE: Review iPhone 12 series??

[Simon A Fogarty]

But how is it that you know verizons 5g mm band is difficult to connect to when 
as yet it hasn't been released 
And the iPhone 12 range hasn't even been pre ordered yet!

I do so love how people know how well these things work when they either 
haven’t tried them or the products are not even available.


Why don't people just wait for the devices and networks to be rolled out to the 
world and give it a go before you start bad mouthing things 

 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Friday, 16 October 2020 6:57 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Review iPhone 12 series??

I am with you on 5G, Les and Alan. I think it’s a bunch of height, especially 
Verizon and their MM wave which is vanishingly difficult to actually connect 
to. So they’re ripping you off yet again. It’s interesting that both they and 
AT are giving a little subsidy on the iPhone. They must be desperate. I think 
the SE2 could be very compelling. That’s especially if you like a home button.
I’m sticking with my 10 R.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 14, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan,
> I am also with you and Richard. I will share my experience in the hopes it 
> will help others. I have been a Verizon customer for many years. As a result, 
> I am on a Loyalty Plan for individuals 55 and older. I was seriously 
> considering the iPhone 12 Mini and had a lengthy conversation with a Verizon 
> rep. Then I asked about how this would affect our plan. I learned that if I 
> purchased a 5G capable phone, I would have to switch to a 5g plan. Our bill 
> would go up by $54 per month. It gets worse. I live in a town which does not 
> have 5G yet. No way to tell when that might come here. So I would be paying 
> an extra $54 per month for a service I cannot use. Guess what I'm doing? I'm 
> now looking at either the SEor the iPhone 11 pro. I would welcome any 
> comments pro or con about either phone. For me, 5G is out. Even if it were 
> available, I don't think it's worth an extra $54 per month. Now, this could 
> change, but it does not matter to me at this point.
> Best Regards,
> 
> Les
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Alan Lemly
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 4:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??
> 
> I'm with Richard here. Be aware that all the hoopla about 5G will require use 
> of cellular data and I suspect that at some point, carriers will be charging 
> accordingly to recover whatever hardware they've priced low to get you into 
> their fold. I still intend to primarily use wifi since I'm using my iPhone at 
> home most of the time and don't intend to increase the capacity of my 
> cellular plan whether using 4G or 5G.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 8:48 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??
> 
> I usually follow the motto that if it looks too good to be true, it probably 
> is.
> What kind of contract commitments do they want with these amazing pricings?
> 
> If it locks you into a 2 year contract at a given level, I'd make sure I 
> understand the possible down sides.
> If it is right for a person, then that's great!
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must 
> pass himself,  and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of 
> ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have 
> regretted not granting grace to others, I ve never once regretted 
> extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Wayne Merritt
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 6:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Review iPhone 12 series??
> 
> For those looking to upgrade to the new phones, I found some aggressive 
> pricing from AT and Verizon mentioned in the Apple Store app, like an $800 
> credit from AT They really want to get everyone on 5G, and same from 
> Verizon it looks like. I wasn't planning on getting one, but this may change 
> my mind. I've never heard of major carriers practically giving away the new 
> iPhone before.
> 
> Best,
> Wayne Merritt
> 
>> On 10/13/20, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>> I always go for the iPhone with the latest processor so I have the 
>> maximum available iOS updates.  I like the possibility of wireless 
>> charging. If I git a 12 it will be the mini. I like a smaller size 
>> for easy one-handed use, and I have no need for the camera system on 
>> the pro.
>> 
>>> On 10/13/20, Darshan Beniwal  wrote:
>>> Hi iPhone fans
>>> 
>>> How did you find iPhone 12 series? Any recommendation or suggestion 
>>> about that. I'm planning to buy new iPhone. Is it a good choice to 
>>> buy iPhone
>>> 12
>>> or shall I go for its down 

another few questions about the apple watch searies 3

[Mich Verrier]

Hi all I first wanted to thank john pearson for sending me info on the apple
watch like podcasts and text files and stuff. I had a few questions about
the apple watch searies 3. My I phone has a otterbox pertective case nd
screen pertecter on it are there sutch things like screen pertecters for the
watchs? Any thanks. From Mich.  

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Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Julian]

Interestingly enough, apple announced a new iPad Air last month that will have 
touch ID built into the power button. I was really hoping they were going to do 
the same with at least one of the new iPhone 12 models.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2020, at 3:44 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> They removed Touch ID, because there is no Home Button on the newer model 
> phones, other than the SE, which has fingerprint ID. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Shirley Baker
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 3:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
> 
> 
> Why have they removed touch ID from the newer phones?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>On Oct 15, 2020, at 1:08 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>I'd definitely take TouchID back. I'll be waiting for the next iPhone.
>
>Devin Prater
>sent from Gmail.
> 
> 
>On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 12:54 PM Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net 
>  > wrote:
>
> 
>If I could have touch or facial ID, I'd take touch; I think it is more 
> secure. Actually, I think it extremely unlikely that someone would hold up my 
> phone and snatch it, once it was on, but there is that likelihood with 
> facial, where with touch, I'd really be in trouble if someone force my 
> finger, and they wouldn't know which to use, because I did not use my 
> forefinger, when I had fingerprint. I guess they'd know if they'd seen me 
> with my phone. Anyway, it does seem maybe a smidgen more secure to have touch 
> rather than facial ID. 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  ] On 
> Behalf Of chalt...@gmail.com  
>Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:36 AM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>
>For my part, I just find touch ID to be a bit more convenient then 
> face ID. There are just those times when I don't need to hold the phone up to 
> my face, like when I'm lying down or sitting at a table. My hand is already 
> on the phone, since I have to touch the screen to interact with it, so it 
> would be no big deal to use touch ID.  With face ID though, I have to 
> remember to then hold it up to my face, and since I didn't do it immediately, 
> I may have to do it more then once or just resort to entering my PIN. I don't 
> hate face ID, and I wouldn't avoid buying a phone just because it didn't have 
> touch ID, but with all things being equal, I'd go with a phone that supported 
> touch ID.
>
>--
>Christopher (AKA CJ)
>Chaltain at Gmail
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
>> Michael Maslo
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:35 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>> 
>> Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  
> print 
>> scan instead of facial ID?
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Michael maslo
>> 
>> > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor   > wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello Everyone,
>> >
>> > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a 
>> > fingerprint sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 
> series.
>> >
>> > I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at 
>> > its conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."
>> >
>> > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the 
> Apple 
>> > orchard; but not quite.
>> >
>> > You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor 
> on 
>> > the new iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were 
> not 
>> > using a fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung 
> Galaxy 
>> > phone, every single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do 
> it, 
>> > and do it extremely well, I might add, then why not Apple?
>> >
>> > Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been 
> sewn 
>> > and we must reap, what we must.
>> >
>> > I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near 
> future.
>> >
>> > I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my 
>> > beloved 8 Plus for a little longer.
>> >
>> > Mark
>> >
>   

RE: Review iPhone 12 series??

[Carolyn]

Oh yes, you will learn face ID. I went out in the sunshine to set mine up, 
since, for some reason, the guy at Wal-Mart could not. I like touch better, but 
can live with face. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Les Kriegler
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 5:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??

Hi Mary, Alan and Interested Others,
Well, Verizon will not take advantage of us. My wife and I will be getting 
iPhone 10R models. I know I can learn to use Face ID, and now is a good time to 
learn. I figure it will be a long time before we see 5G in our area. If I am 
mistaken and it happens within two years or so, we can upgrade if we wish. In 
the meantime, with the money we will save, my wife can upgrade her iPad if she 
wishes to do so. I appreciate all of the discussion on various iPhome models. 
It really helped me make a decision for myself and the recommendation I offered 
my wife.
Best Regards,

Les

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 1:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Review iPhone 12 series??

I am with you on 5G, Les and Alan. I think it’s a bunch of height, especially 
Verizon and their MM wave which is vanishingly difficult to actually connect 
to. So they’re ripping you off yet again. It’s interesting that both they and 
AT are giving a little subsidy on the iPhone. They must be desperate. I think 
the SE2 could be very compelling. That’s especially if you like a home button.
I’m sticking with my 10 R.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 14, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan,
> I am also with you and Richard. I will share my experience in the hopes it 
> will help others. I have been a Verizon customer for many years. As a result, 
> I am on a Loyalty Plan for individuals 55 and older. I was seriously 
> considering the iPhone 12 Mini and had a lengthy conversation with a Verizon 
> rep. Then I asked about how this would affect our plan. I learned that if I 
> purchased a 5G capable phone, I would have to switch to a 5g plan. Our bill 
> would go up by $54 per month. It gets worse. I live in a town which does not 
> have 5G yet. No way to tell when that might come here. So I would be paying 
> an extra $54 per month for a service I cannot use. Guess what I'm doing? I'm 
> now looking at either the SEor the iPhone 11 pro. I would welcome any 
> comments pro or con about either phone. For me, 5G is out. Even if it were 
> available, I don't think it's worth an extra $54 per month. Now, this could 
> change, but it does not matter to me at this point.
> Best Regards,
> 
> Les
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Alan Lemly
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 4:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??
> 
> I'm with Richard here. Be aware that all the hoopla about 5G will require use 
> of cellular data and I suspect that at some point, carriers will be charging 
> accordingly to recover whatever hardware they've priced low to get you into 
> their fold. I still intend to primarily use wifi since I'm using my iPhone at 
> home most of the time and don't intend to increase the capacity of my 
> cellular plan whether using 4G or 5G.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 8:48 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??
> 
> I usually follow the motto that if it looks too good to be true, it probably 
> is.
> What kind of contract commitments do they want with these amazing pricings?
> 
> If it locks you into a 2 year contract at a given level, I'd make sure I 
> understand the possible down sides.
> If it is right for a person, then that's great!
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must 
> pass himself,  and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of 
> ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have 
> regretted not granting grace to others, I ve never once regretted 
> extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Wayne Merritt
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 6:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Review iPhone 12 series??
> 
> For those looking to upgrade to the new phones, I found some aggressive 
> pricing from AT and Verizon mentioned in the Apple Store app, like an $800 
> credit from AT They really want to get everyone on 5G, and same from 
> Verizon it looks like. I wasn't planning on getting one, but this may change 
> my mind. I've never heard of major carriers practically giving away the new 
> iPhone before.
> 
> Best,
> Wayne Merritt
> 
>> On 10/13/20, Kelly Pierce 

RE: Screen locks when on phone call

[Carolyn]

I do have a passcode, but have gotten really fast with it. 

-Original Message-
From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 3:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen locks when on phone call

Apple Accessibility have just emailed me to sat Apple are aware of the problem 
and are investigating. If you have no passcode, it is not a problem - if you 
have a passcode, it is a pain!
Harry

> On 15 Oct 2020, at 18:55, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Mine does that, but I have it set on two minutes. I just press the button on 
> the right side, and it opens. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 10:48 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Screen locks when on phone call
> 
> Thanks for confirming tgat, Rick! Yet another bug to report to Apple!
> Harry
> 
>> On 15 Oct 2020, at 14:36, rick.alf...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> I'm seeing exactly the same behavior on my iPhone 11 running IOS 14.01. 
>> Very annoying.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Warmest regards
>> 
>> Rick Alfaro
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 12:57 AM
>> To: Abridged Recipients 
>> Subject: Screen locks when on phone call
>> 
>> 
>>> 
 On my iPhone SE 2020 running iOS 14.0.1, even though I have autolock set 
 to never when I am on a phone call the screen locks and therefore thes two 
 finger magic tap does not work to end tge call. I have to first of all 
 wake the phone with my finger ID before the magic tap will work. Is this a 
 bug or not?
 Thanks
 Harry
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RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Carolyn]

They removed Touch ID, because there is no Home Button on the newer model 
phones, other than the SE, which has fingerprint ID. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Shirley Baker
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 3:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID


Why have they removed touch ID from the newer phones?


Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 15, 2020, at 1:08 PM, Devin Prater  
wrote:




I'd definitely take TouchID back. I'll be waiting for the next iPhone.

Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 12:54 PM Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net 
 > wrote:


If I could have touch or facial ID, I'd take touch; I think it 
is more secure. Actually, I think it extremely unlikely that someone would hold 
up my phone and snatch it, once it was on, but there is that likelihood with 
facial, where with touch, I'd really be in trouble if someone force my finger, 
and they wouldn't know which to use, because I did not use my forefinger, when 
I had fingerprint. I guess they'd know if they'd seen me with my phone. Anyway, 
it does seem maybe a smidgen more secure to have touch rather than facial ID. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
 ] On Behalf Of chalt...@gmail.com 
 
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

For my part, I just find touch ID to be a bit more convenient 
then face ID. There are just those times when I don't need to hold the phone up 
to my face, like when I'm lying down or sitting at a table. My hand is already 
on the phone, since I have to touch the screen to interact with it, so it would 
be no big deal to use touch ID.  With face ID though, I have to remember to 
then hold it up to my face, and since I didn't do it immediately, I may have to 
do it more then once or just resort to entering my PIN. I don't hate face ID, 
and I wouldn't avoid buying a phone just because it didn't have touch ID, but 
with all things being equal, I'd go with a phone that supported touch ID.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
> Michael Maslo
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 
> Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
> 
> Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want 
finger  print 
> scan instead of facial ID?
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Michael maslo
> 
> > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> > wrote:
> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would 
include a 
> > fingerprint sensor on at least one of its devices in the 
iPhone 12 series.
> >
> > I watched the entire presentation and could not help 
thinking, at 
> > its conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."
> >
> > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave 
the Apple 
> > orchard; but not quite.
> >
> > You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint 
sensor on 
> > the new iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I 
were not 
> > using a fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my 
Samsung Galaxy 
> > phone, every single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung 
can do it, 
> > and do it extremely well, I might add, then why not Apple?
> >
> > Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have 
been sewn 
> > and we must reap, what we must.
> >
> > I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my 
near future.
> >
> > I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold 
onto my 
> > beloved 8 Plus for a little longer.
> >
> > Mark
 

Re: Updating IOS on WIFI instead of iTunes

[Mike B]

Hi Cher,

The phone will be on when you update your iOS using Wifi, it just might be a 
little slower doing with Wifi verses iTunes.  I forget all what you will 
read or hear , but if you do use Wifi you'll be able to keep track of what's 
happening.  I'm sure you'll do this anyways, but I would plug your into the 
charging cable for the updating process.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers & Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government 
program.

- Original Message - 
From: Cher Bosch
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 3:14 PM
Subject: Updating IOS on WIFI instead of iTunes


Have always used iTunes- how do you find out the progress if using WIFI? 
Assuming you can’t exactly turn on the phone to check 



Cher






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Re: Review iPhone 12 series??

[Wayne Merritt]

To update some thoughts I had put out a few days ago, I will wait on
the 5G second generation before making that jump too. If I upgrade my
phone, it will be to an iPhone 11. I like the idea of night mode for
using Aira. Also, to those getting the 10R or 11, remember you may be
able to trade-in your current phone for credit on your account, or
even better to take off a little of the purchase price or monthly
payments for the next phone. $600 is pretty reasonable for the 11, but
what if it could be $100 cheaper or more.

Be well,
Wayne Merritt

On 10/15/20, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> Hi Mary, Alan and Interested Others,
> Well, Verizon will not take advantage of us. My wife and I will be getting
> iPhone 10R models. I know I can learn to use Face ID, and now is a good time
> to learn. I figure it will be a long time before we see 5G in our area. If I
> am mistaken and it happens within two years or so, we can upgrade if we
> wish. In the meantime, with the money we will save, my wife can upgrade her
> iPad if she wishes to do so. I appreciate all of the discussion on various
> iPhome models. It really helped me make a decision for myself and the
> recommendation I offered my wife.
> Best Regards,
>
> Les
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary
> Otten
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 1:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Review iPhone 12 series??
>
> I am with you on 5G, Les and Alan. I think it’s a bunch of height,
> especially Verizon and their MM wave which is vanishingly difficult to
> actually connect to. So they’re ripping you off yet again. It’s interesting
> that both they and AT are giving a little subsidy on the iPhone. They must
> be desperate. I think the SE2 could be very compelling. That’s especially if
> you like a home button.
> I’m sticking with my 10 R.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 14, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Alan,
>> I am also with you and Richard. I will share my experience in the hopes it
>> will help others. I have been a Verizon customer for many years. As a
>> result, I am on a Loyalty Plan for individuals 55 and older. I was
>> seriously considering the iPhone 12 Mini and had a lengthy conversation
>> with a Verizon rep. Then I asked about how this would affect our plan. I
>> learned that if I purchased a 5G capable phone, I would have to switch to
>> a 5g plan. Our bill would go up by $54 per month. It gets worse. I live in
>> a town which does not have 5G yet. No way to tell when that might come
>> here. So I would be paying an extra $54 per month for a service I cannot
>> use. Guess what I'm doing? I'm now looking at either the SEor the iPhone
>> 11 pro. I would welcome any comments pro or con about either phone. For
>> me, 5G is out. Even if it were available, I don't think it's worth an
>> extra $54 per month. Now, this could change, but it does not matter to me
>> at this point.
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Les
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Alan Lemly
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 4:43 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??
>>
>> I'm with Richard here. Be aware that all the hoopla about 5G will require
>> use of cellular data and I suspect that at some point, carriers will be
>> charging accordingly to recover whatever hardware they've priced low to
>> get you into their fold. I still intend to primarily use wifi since I'm
>> using my iPhone at home most of the time and don't intend to increase the
>> capacity of my cellular plan whether using 4G or 5G.
>>
>> Alan Lemly
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 8:48 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??
>>
>> I usually follow the motto that if it looks too good to be true, it
>> probably is.
>> What kind of contract commitments do they want with these amazing
>> pricings?
>>
>> If it locks you into a 2 year contract at a given level, I'd make sure I
>> understand the possible down sides.
>> If it is right for a person, then that's great!
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must
>> pass himself,  and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of
>> ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have
>> regretted not granting grace to others, I ve never once regretted
>> extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Wayne Merritt
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 6:45 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Review iPhone 12 series??
>>
>> For those looking to upgrade to the new phones, I found some aggressive
>> pricing from AT and Verizon mentioned in the Apple Store app, like an
>> $800 credit from AT They really want to get everyone on 

Updating IOS on WIFI instead of iTunes

[Cher Bosch]

Have always used iTunes- how do you find out the progress if using WIFI? 
Assuming you can’t exactly turn on the phone to check 

 

Cher

 

 

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RE: Review iPhone 12 series??

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Mary, Alan and Interested Others,
Well, Verizon will not take advantage of us. My wife and I will be getting 
iPhone 10R models. I know I can learn to use Face ID, and now is a good time to 
learn. I figure it will be a long time before we see 5G in our area. If I am 
mistaken and it happens within two years or so, we can upgrade if we wish. In 
the meantime, with the money we will save, my wife can upgrade her iPad if she 
wishes to do so. I appreciate all of the discussion on various iPhome models. 
It really helped me make a decision for myself and the recommendation I offered 
my wife.
Best Regards,

Les

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 1:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Review iPhone 12 series??

I am with you on 5G, Les and Alan. I think it’s a bunch of height, especially 
Verizon and their MM wave which is vanishingly difficult to actually connect 
to. So they’re ripping you off yet again. It’s interesting that both they and 
AT are giving a little subsidy on the iPhone. They must be desperate. I think 
the SE2 could be very compelling. That’s especially if you like a home button.
I’m sticking with my 10 R.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 14, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan,
> I am also with you and Richard. I will share my experience in the hopes it 
> will help others. I have been a Verizon customer for many years. As a result, 
> I am on a Loyalty Plan for individuals 55 and older. I was seriously 
> considering the iPhone 12 Mini and had a lengthy conversation with a Verizon 
> rep. Then I asked about how this would affect our plan. I learned that if I 
> purchased a 5G capable phone, I would have to switch to a 5g plan. Our bill 
> would go up by $54 per month. It gets worse. I live in a town which does not 
> have 5G yet. No way to tell when that might come here. So I would be paying 
> an extra $54 per month for a service I cannot use. Guess what I'm doing? I'm 
> now looking at either the SEor the iPhone 11 pro. I would welcome any 
> comments pro or con about either phone. For me, 5G is out. Even if it were 
> available, I don't think it's worth an extra $54 per month. Now, this could 
> change, but it does not matter to me at this point.
> Best Regards,
> 
> Les
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Alan Lemly
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 4:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??
> 
> I'm with Richard here. Be aware that all the hoopla about 5G will require use 
> of cellular data and I suspect that at some point, carriers will be charging 
> accordingly to recover whatever hardware they've priced low to get you into 
> their fold. I still intend to primarily use wifi since I'm using my iPhone at 
> home most of the time and don't intend to increase the capacity of my 
> cellular plan whether using 4G or 5G.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 8:48 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??
> 
> I usually follow the motto that if it looks too good to be true, it probably 
> is.
> What kind of contract commitments do they want with these amazing pricings?
> 
> If it locks you into a 2 year contract at a given level, I'd make sure I 
> understand the possible down sides.
> If it is right for a person, then that's great!
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must 
> pass himself,  and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of 
> ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have 
> regretted not granting grace to others, I ve never once regretted 
> extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Wayne Merritt
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 6:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Review iPhone 12 series??
> 
> For those looking to upgrade to the new phones, I found some aggressive 
> pricing from AT and Verizon mentioned in the Apple Store app, like an $800 
> credit from AT They really want to get everyone on 5G, and same from 
> Verizon it looks like. I wasn't planning on getting one, but this may change 
> my mind. I've never heard of major carriers practically giving away the new 
> iPhone before.
> 
> Best,
> Wayne Merritt
> 
>> On 10/13/20, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>> I always go for the iPhone with the latest processor so I have the 
>> maximum available iOS updates.  I like the possibility of wireless 
>> charging. If I git a 12 it will be the mini. I like a smaller size 
>> for easy one-handed use, and I have no need for the camera system on 
>> the pro.
>> 
>>> On 10/13/20, Darshan Beniwal  wrote:
>>> Hi iPhone fans
>>> 
>>> How did you find iPhone 12 

Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Michael Irons]

Hello everyone I would actually prefer to have a larger phone with the touch ID 
on it I fingers are large and don’t work that well on a smaller screen.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> Why not graban SE2? Its 4.7-inch screen, Home Button (though not physical but 
> virtual like on the 7and 8), and TouchID. It’s sound is awesome! Thus I feel 
> it’s the best pone out there so far! Cheaper tan the 12,great sound, récords 
> in stereo, and small.
>  
>   
> Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10
>  
> De: Michael Maslo
> Enviado: miércoles, 14 de octubre de 2020 11:34 p. m.
> Para: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Asunto: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>  
> Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  print scan 
> instead of facial ID?
>  
> Sincerely,
>  
> Michael maslo
>  
> > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor  wrote:
> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a fingerprint
> > sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 series. 
> >
> > I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at its
> > conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID." 
> >
> > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple
> > orchard; but not quite.
> >
> > You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on the new
> > iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not using a
> > fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy phone, every
> > single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it, and do it extremely
> > well, I might add, then why not Apple? 
> >
> > Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn and we
> > must reap, what we must. 
> >
> > I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near future. 
> >
> > I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my beloved 8
> > Plus for a little longer.
> >
> > Mark
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Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Michael Irons]

I believe that people would like to have touch ID so that they can open their 
phone easier when they have to wear a mask. We all need to remember COVID-19 is 
still out there in all of us probably have to wear masks when we’re out and 
about. Face ID will not work very well when you have to wear a mask.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> Why not graban SE2? Its 4.7-inch screen, Home Button (though not physical but 
> virtual like on the 7and 8), and TouchID. It’s sound is awesome! Thus I feel 
> it’s the best pone out there so far! Cheaper tan the 12,great sound, récords 
> in stereo, and small.
>  
>   
> Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10
>  
> De: Michael Maslo
> Enviado: miércoles, 14 de octubre de 2020 11:34 p. m.
> Para: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Asunto: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>  
> Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  print scan 
> instead of facial ID?
>  
> Sincerely,
>  
> Michael maslo
>  
> > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor  wrote:
> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a fingerprint
> > sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 series. 
> >
> > I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at its
> > conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID." 
> >
> > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple
> > orchard; but not quite.
> >
> > You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on the new
> > iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not using a
> > fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy phone, every
> > single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it, and do it extremely
> > well, I might add, then why not Apple? 
> >
> > Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn and we
> > must reap, what we must. 
> >
> > I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near future. 
> >
> > I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my beloved 8
> > Plus for a little longer.
> >
> > Mark
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RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Gerardo Corripio]

Why not graban SE2? Its 4.7-inch screen, Home Button (though not physical but virtual like on the 7and 8), and TouchID. It’s sound is awesome! Thus I feel it’s the best pone out there so far! Cheaper tan the 12,great sound, récords in stereo, and small.   Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10 De: Michael MasloEnviado: miércoles, 14 de octubre de 2020 11:34 p. m.Para: viphone@googlegroups.comAsunto: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  print scan instead of facial ID? Sincerely, Michael maslo > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor  wrote:> > Hello Everyone,> > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a fingerprint> sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 series.  > > I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at its> conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."  > > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple> orchard; but not quite.> > You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on the new> iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not using a> fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy phone, every> single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it, and do it extremely> well, I might add, then why not Apple?  > > Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn and we> must reap, what we must.  > > I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near future.  > > I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my beloved 8> Plus for a little longer.> > Mark> > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.> > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.> > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > The archives for this list can be searched at:> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/> --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/01d6a28f%24424db420%24c6e91c60%24%40edu. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/B131B05E-5FD9-48DF-98B8-A92401102572%40gmail.com. 



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RE: Screen locks when on phone call

[rick.alfaro]

Yes, I did forward to accessibility support and let them know I was able to 
reproduce it the issue.





Warmest regards

Rick Alfaro

-Original Message-
From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 10:48 AM
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Subject: Re: Screen locks when on phone call

Thanks for confirming tgat, Rick! Yet another bug to report to Apple!
Harry

> On 15 Oct 2020, at 14:36, rick.alf...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I'm seeing exactly the same behavior on my iPhone 11 running IOS 14.01. Very 
> annoying.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Warmest regards
> 
> Rick Alfaro
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 12:57 AM
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> Subject: Screen locks when on phone call
> 
> 
>> 
>>> On my iPhone SE 2020 running iOS 14.0.1, even though I have autolock set 
>>> to never when I am on a phone call the screen locks and therefore thes two 
>>> finger magic tap does not work to end tge call. I have to first of all wake 
>>> the phone with my finger ID before the magic tap will work. Is this a bug 
>>> or not?
>>> Thanks
>>> Harry
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Re: Screen locks when on phone call

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

Apple Accessibility have just emailed me to sat Apple are aware of the problem 
and are investigating. If you have no passcode, it is not a problem - if you 
have a passcode, it is a pain!
Harry

> On 15 Oct 2020, at 18:55, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Mine does that, but I have it set on two minutes. I just press the button on 
> the right side, and it opens. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 10:48 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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> 
> Thanks for confirming tgat, Rick! Yet another bug to report to Apple!
> Harry
> 
>> On 15 Oct 2020, at 14:36, rick.alf...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> I'm seeing exactly the same behavior on my iPhone 11 running IOS 14.01. 
>> Very annoying.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Warmest regards
>> 
>> Rick Alfaro
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 12:57 AM
>> To: Abridged Recipients 
>> Subject: Screen locks when on phone call
>> 
>> 
>>> 
 On my iPhone SE 2020 running iOS 14.0.1, even though I have autolock set 
 to never when I am on a phone call the screen locks and therefore thes two 
 finger magic tap does not work to end tge call. I have to first of all 
 wake the phone with my finger ID before the magic tap will work. Is this a 
 bug or not?
 Thanks
 Harry
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RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Marvin Kotler]

I am fairly new to the iPhone, but I had an iPhone 6s and upgraded to an iPhone SE and am happy with it.Marv Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Julie DawsonSent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 12:07 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID I truly wish they hadn't. What a detrament.- Original Message - From: Shirley Baker To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 2:00 PMSubject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID Why have they removed touch ID from the newer phones?Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 15, 2020, at 1:08 PM, Devin Prater  wrote: I'd definitely take TouchID back. I'll be waiting for the next iPhone.Devin Pratersent from Gmail.  On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 12:54 PM Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:If I could have touch or facial ID, I'd take touch; I think it is more secure. Actually, I think it extremely unlikely that someone would hold up my phone and snatch it, once it was on, but there is that likelihood with facial, where with touch, I'd really be in trouble if someone force my finger, and they wouldn't know which to use, because I did not use my forefinger, when I had fingerprint. I guess they'd know if they'd seen me with my phone. Anyway, it does seem maybe a smidgen more secure to have touch rather than facial ID. -Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chalt...@gmail.comSent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:36 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch IDFor my part, I just find touch ID to be a bit more convenient then face ID. There are just those times when I don't need to hold the phone up to my face, like when I'm lying down or sitting at a table. My hand is already on the phone, since I have to touch the screen to interact with it, so it would be no big deal to use touch ID.  With face ID though, I have to remember to then hold it up to my face, and since I didn't do it immediately, I may have to do it more then once or just resort to entering my PIN. I don't hate face ID, and I wouldn't avoid buying a phone just because it didn't have touch ID, but with all things being equal, I'd go with a phone that supported touch ID.--Christopher (AKA CJ)Chaltain at Gmail> -Original Message-> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of > Michael Maslo> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:35 PM> To: viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID> > Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  print > scan instead of facial ID?> > Sincerely,> > Michael maslo> > > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor  wrote:> >> > Hello Everyone,> >> > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a > > fingerprint sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 series.> >> > I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at > > its conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."> >> > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple > > orchard; but not quite.> >> > You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on > > the new iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not > > using a fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy > > phone, every single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it, > > and do it extremely well, I might add, then why not Apple?> >> > Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn > > and we must reap, what we must.> >> > I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near future.> >> > I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my > > beloved 8 Plus for a little longer.> >> > Mark> >> > --> > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.> >> > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this > > list, or if you> feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners > or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.> >> > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:> > mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara > > at caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >> > The archives for this list can be searched at:> > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/> > ---> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups> "VIPhone" group.> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > > send an> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.> > To view this discussion on the web visit> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/01d6a28f%24424db420%24c> 6e91c60%24%40edu.> > --> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.> > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact > the owners 

Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Julie Dawson]

I truly wish they hadn't. What a detrament.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Shirley Baker 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 2:00 PM
  Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID


  Why have they removed touch ID from the newer phones?


  Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 15, 2020, at 1:08 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:



I'd definitely take TouchID back. I'll be waiting for the next iPhone.

Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.




On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 12:54 PM Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

  If I could have touch or facial ID, I'd take touch; I think it is more 
secure. Actually, I think it extremely unlikely that someone would hold up my 
phone and snatch it, once it was on, but there is that likelihood with facial, 
where with touch, I'd really be in trouble if someone force my finger, and they 
wouldn't know which to use, because I did not use my forefinger, when I had 
fingerprint. I guess they'd know if they'd seen me with my phone. Anyway, it 
does seem maybe a smidgen more secure to have touch rather than facial ID. 

  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of chalt...@gmail.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:36 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

  For my part, I just find touch ID to be a bit more convenient then face 
ID. There are just those times when I don't need to hold the phone up to my 
face, like when I'm lying down or sitting at a table. My hand is already on the 
phone, since I have to touch the screen to interact with it, so it would be no 
big deal to use touch ID.  With face ID though, I have to remember to then hold 
it up to my face, and since I didn't do it immediately, I may have to do it 
more then once or just resort to entering my PIN. I don't hate face ID, and I 
wouldn't avoid buying a phone just because it didn't have touch ID, but with 
all things being equal, I'd go with a phone that supported touch ID.

  --
  Christopher (AKA CJ)
  Chaltain at Gmail

  > -Original Message-
  > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
  > Michael Maslo
  > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:35 PM
  > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  > Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
  > 
  > Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  print 
  > scan instead of facial ID?
  > 
  > Sincerely,
  > 
  > Michael maslo
  > 
  > > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor  wrote:
  > >
  > > Hello Everyone,
  > >
  > > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a 
  > > fingerprint sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 
series.
  > >
  > > I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at 
  > > its conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."
  > >
  > > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple 
  > > orchard; but not quite.
  > >
  > > You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on 
  > > the new iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not 
  > > using a fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy 
  > > phone, every single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it, 
  > > and do it extremely well, I might add, then why not Apple?
  > >
  > > Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn 
  > > and we must reap, what we must.
  > >
  > > I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near 
future.
  > >
  > > I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my 
  > > beloved 8 Plus for a little longer.
  > >
  > > Mark
  > >
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iPhone list.
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Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Shirley Baker]

Why have they removed touch ID from the newer phones?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2020, at 1:08 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> I'd definitely take TouchID back. I'll be waiting for the next iPhone.
> Devin Prater
> sent from Gmail.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 12:54 PM Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> If I could have touch or facial ID, I'd take touch; I think it is more 
>> secure. Actually, I think it extremely unlikely that someone would hold up 
>> my phone and snatch it, once it was on, but there is that likelihood with 
>> facial, where with touch, I'd really be in trouble if someone force my 
>> finger, and they wouldn't know which to use, because I did not use my 
>> forefinger, when I had fingerprint. I guess they'd know if they'd seen me 
>> with my phone. Anyway, it does seem maybe a smidgen more secure to have 
>> touch rather than facial ID. 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of chalt...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:36 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>> 
>> For my part, I just find touch ID to be a bit more convenient then face ID. 
>> There are just those times when I don't need to hold the phone up to my 
>> face, like when I'm lying down or sitting at a table. My hand is already on 
>> the phone, since I have to touch the screen to interact with it, so it would 
>> be no big deal to use touch ID.  With face ID though, I have to remember to 
>> then hold it up to my face, and since I didn't do it immediately, I may have 
>> to do it more then once or just resort to entering my PIN. I don't hate face 
>> ID, and I wouldn't avoid buying a phone just because it didn't have touch 
>> ID, but with all things being equal, I'd go with a phone that supported 
>> touch ID.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Gmail
>> 
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> > Michael Maslo
>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:35 PM
>> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>> > 
>> > Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  print 
>> > scan instead of facial ID?
>> > 
>> > Sincerely,
>> > 
>> > Michael maslo
>> > 
>> > > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Hello Everyone,
>> > >
>> > > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a 
>> > > fingerprint sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 
>> > > series.
>> > >
>> > > I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at 
>> > > its conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."
>> > >
>> > > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple 
>> > > orchard; but not quite.
>> > >
>> > > You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on 
>> > > the new iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not 
>> > > using a fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy 
>> > > phone, every single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it, 
>> > > and do it extremely well, I might add, then why not Apple?
>> > >
>> > > Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn 
>> > > and we must reap, what we must.
>> > >
>> > > I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near future.
>> > >
>> > > I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my 
>> > > beloved 8 Plus for a little longer.
>> > >
>> > > Mark
>> > >
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Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Shirley Baker]

I like touch because it's very easy. I've never had face ID so I can only take 
other people's wordAnother reason I like touch is that instead of entering your 
password on websites, you can just use touch ID. How easy is that..

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2020, at 1:08 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'd definitely take TouchID back. I'll be waiting for the next iPhone.
> Devin Prater
> sent from Gmail.
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 12:54 PM Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> If I could have touch or facial ID, I'd take touch; I think it is more 
>> secure. Actually, I think it extremely unlikely that someone would hold up 
>> my phone and snatch it, once it was on, but there is that likelihood with 
>> facial, where with touch, I'd really be in trouble if someone force my 
>> finger, and they wouldn't know which to use, because I did not use my 
>> forefinger, when I had fingerprint. I guess they'd know if they'd seen me 
>> with my phone. Anyway, it does seem maybe a smidgen more secure to have 
>> touch rather than facial ID. 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of chalt...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:36 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>> 
>> For my part, I just find touch ID to be a bit more convenient then face ID. 
>> There are just those times when I don't need to hold the phone up to my 
>> face, like when I'm lying down or sitting at a table. My hand is already on 
>> the phone, since I have to touch the screen to interact with it, so it would 
>> be no big deal to use touch ID.  With face ID though, I have to remember to 
>> then hold it up to my face, and since I didn't do it immediately, I may have 
>> to do it more then once or just resort to entering my PIN. I don't hate face 
>> ID, and I wouldn't avoid buying a phone just because it didn't have touch 
>> ID, but with all things being equal, I'd go with a phone that supported 
>> touch ID.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Gmail
>> 
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> > Michael Maslo
>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:35 PM
>> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>> > 
>> > Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  print 
>> > scan instead of facial ID?
>> > 
>> > Sincerely,
>> > 
>> > Michael maslo
>> > 
>> > > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Hello Everyone,
>> > >
>> > > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a 
>> > > fingerprint sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 
>> > > series.
>> > >
>> > > I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at 
>> > > its conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."
>> > >
>> > > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple 
>> > > orchard; but not quite.
>> > >
>> > > You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on 
>> > > the new iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not 
>> > > using a fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy 
>> > > phone, every single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it, 
>> > > and do it extremely well, I might add, then why not Apple?
>> > >
>> > > Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn 
>> > > and we must reap, what we must.
>> > >
>> > > I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near future.
>> > >
>> > > I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my 
>> > > beloved 8 Plus for a little longer.
>> > >
>> > > Mark
>> > >
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>> > > list.
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RE: Review iPhone 12 series??

[Shirley Baker]

A Comcast repair person was at my house back in the summer and we talked about 
5G and he said we didn't need it.  He said businesses use it mostly.

Shirley

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
juan mojena
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 1:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Review iPhone 12 series??

I am on AT I’m pretty sure that 5g is not in my town yet. Anyway, the cell  
connection  is poor in this area. So I will wait until the 5G Service  is 
available everywhere before I get a 5G compatible  phone. I was looking for the 
12 to have an in screen fingerprint sensor. But being that the face ID  on my 
11 promax is working so excellently and there is no in screen fingerprint 
sensor on the 12, I will stay where I am for the time being.

Juan



Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 15, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

I am with you on 5G, Les and Alan. I think it’s a bunch of height, especially 
Verizon and their MM wave which is vanishingly difficult to actually connect 
to. So they’re ripping you off yet again. It’s interesting that both they and 
AT are giving a little subsidy on the iPhone. They must be desperate. I think 
the SE2 could be very compelling. That’s especially if you like a home button.
I’m sticking with my 10 R.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 14, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan,
> I am also with you and Richard. I will share my experience in the hopes it 
> will help others. I have been a Verizon customer for many years. As a result, 
> I am on a Loyalty Plan for individuals 55 and older. I was seriously 
> considering the iPhone 12 Mini and had a lengthy conversation with a Verizon 
> rep. Then I asked about how this would affect our plan. I learned that if I 
> purchased a 5G capable phone, I would have to switch to a 5g plan. Our bill 
> would go up by $54 per month. It gets worse. I live in a town which does not 
> have 5G yet. No way to tell when that might come here. So I would be paying 
> an extra $54 per month for a service I cannot use. Guess what I'm doing? I'm 
> now looking at either the SEor the iPhone 11 pro. I would welcome any 
> comments pro or con about either phone. For me, 5G is out. Even if it were 
> available, I don't think it's worth an extra $54 per month. Now, this could 
> change, but it does not matter to me at this point.
> Best Regards,
> 
> Les
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
> Lemly
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 4:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??
> 
> I'm with Richard here. Be aware that all the hoopla about 5G will require use 
> of cellular data and I suspect that at some point, carriers will be charging 
> accordingly to recover whatever hardware they've priced low to get you into 
> their fold. I still intend to primarily use wifi since I'm using my iPhone at 
> home most of the time and don't intend to increase the capacity of my 
> cellular plan whether using 4G or 5G.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 8:48 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??
> 
> I usually follow the motto that if it looks too good to be true, it probably 
> is.
> What kind of contract commitments do they want with these amazing pricings?
> 
> If it locks you into a 2 year contract at a given level, I'd make sure I 
> understand the possible down sides.
> If it is right for a person, then that's great!
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,  and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
> Merritt
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 6:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Review iPhone 12 series??
> 
> For those looking to upgrade to the new phones, I found some aggressive 
> pricing from AT and Verizon mentioned in the Apple Store app, like an $800 
> credit from AT They really want to get everyone on 5G, and same from 
> Verizon it looks like. I wasn't planning on getting one, but this may change 
> my mind. I've never heard of major carriers practically giving away the new 
> iPhone before.
> 
> Best,
> Wayne Merritt
> 
>> On 10/13/20, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>> I always go for the iPhone with the latest processor so I have the 
>> maximum available iOS updates.  I like the possibility of wireless 
>> charging. If I git a 12 it will be the mini. I like a smaller size for 
>> easy one-handed use, and I have no need for the camera system on the 
>> pro.

Re: Review iPhone 12 series??

[juan mojena]

I am on AT I’m pretty sure that 5g is not in my town yet. Anyway, the cell  
connection  is poor in this area. So I will wait until the 5G Service  is 
available everywhere before I get a 5G compatible  phone. I was looking for the 
12 to have an in screen fingerprint sensor. But being that the face ID  on my 
11 promax is working so excellently and there is no in screen fingerprint 
sensor on the 12, I will stay where I am for the time being.

Juan



Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 15, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

I am with you on 5G, Les and Alan. I think it’s a bunch of height, especially 
Verizon and their MM wave which is vanishingly difficult to actually connect 
to. So they’re ripping you off yet again. It’s interesting that both they and 
AT are giving a little subsidy on the iPhone. They must be desperate. I think 
the SE2 could be very compelling. That’s especially if you like a home button.
I’m sticking with my 10 R.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 14, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan,
> I am also with you and Richard. I will share my experience in the hopes it 
> will help others. I have been a Verizon customer for many years. As a result, 
> I am on a Loyalty Plan for individuals 55 and older. I was seriously 
> considering the iPhone 12 Mini and had a lengthy conversation with a Verizon 
> rep. Then I asked about how this would affect our plan. I learned that if I 
> purchased a 5G capable phone, I would have to switch to a 5g plan. Our bill 
> would go up by $54 per month. It gets worse. I live in a town which does not 
> have 5G yet. No way to tell when that might come here. So I would be paying 
> an extra $54 per month for a service I cannot use. Guess what I'm doing? I'm 
> now looking at either the SEor the iPhone 11 pro. I would welcome any 
> comments pro or con about either phone. For me, 5G is out. Even if it were 
> available, I don't think it's worth an extra $54 per month. Now, this could 
> change, but it does not matter to me at this point.
> Best Regards,
> 
> Les
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
> Lemly
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 4:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??
> 
> I'm with Richard here. Be aware that all the hoopla about 5G will require use 
> of cellular data and I suspect that at some point, carriers will be charging 
> accordingly to recover whatever hardware they've priced low to get you into 
> their fold. I still intend to primarily use wifi since I'm using my iPhone at 
> home most of the time and don't intend to increase the capacity of my 
> cellular plan whether using 4G or 5G.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 8:48 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??
> 
> I usually follow the motto that if it looks too good to be true, it probably 
> is.
> What kind of contract commitments do they want with these amazing pricings?
> 
> If it locks you into a 2 year contract at a given level, I'd make sure I 
> understand the possible down sides.
> If it is right for a person, then that's great!
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,  and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
> Merritt
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 6:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Review iPhone 12 series??
> 
> For those looking to upgrade to the new phones, I found some aggressive 
> pricing from AT and Verizon mentioned in the Apple Store app, like an $800 
> credit from AT They really want to get everyone on 5G, and same from 
> Verizon it looks like. I wasn't planning on getting one, but this may change 
> my mind. I've never heard of major carriers practically giving away the new 
> iPhone before.
> 
> Best,
> Wayne Merritt
> 
>> On 10/13/20, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>> I always go for the iPhone with the latest processor so I have the 
>> maximum available iOS updates.  I like the possibility of wireless 
>> charging. If I git a 12 it will be the mini. I like a smaller size for 
>> easy one-handed use, and I have no need for the camera system on the 
>> pro.
>> 
>>> On 10/13/20, Darshan Beniwal  wrote:
>>> Hi iPhone fans
>>> 
>>> How did you find iPhone 12 series? Any recommendation or suggestion 
>>> about that. I'm planning to buy new iPhone. Is it a good choice to 
>>> buy iPhone
>>> 12
>>> or shall I go for its down versions?
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RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Shirley Baker]

I like touch a lot. I still have the old iPhone 6S plus.  I'm glad they have it 
on that phone.  

 

Shirley 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Devin Prater
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 1:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

 

I'd definitely take TouchID back. I'll be waiting for the next iPhone.


Devin Prater

sent from Gmail.

 

 

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 12:54 PM Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

If I could have touch or facial ID, I'd take touch; I think it is more secure. 
Actually, I think it extremely unlikely that someone would hold up my phone and 
snatch it, once it was on, but there is that likelihood with facial, where with 
touch, I'd really be in trouble if someone force my finger, and they wouldn't 
know which to use, because I did not use my forefinger, when I had fingerprint. 
I guess they'd know if they'd seen me with my phone. Anyway, it does seem maybe 
a smidgen more secure to have touch rather than facial ID. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

For my part, I just find touch ID to be a bit more convenient then face ID. 
There are just those times when I don't need to hold the phone up to my face, 
like when I'm lying down or sitting at a table. My hand is already on the 
phone, since I have to touch the screen to interact with it, so it would be no 
big deal to use touch ID.  With face ID though, I have to remember to then hold 
it up to my face, and since I didn't do it immediately, I may have to do it 
more then once or just resort to entering my PIN. I don't hate face ID, and I 
wouldn't avoid buying a phone just because it didn't have touch ID, but with 
all things being equal, I'd go with a phone that supported touch ID.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Michael Maslo
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
> 
> Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  print 
> scan instead of facial ID?
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Michael maslo
> 
> > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor  wrote:
> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a 
> > fingerprint sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 series.
> >
> > I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at 
> > its conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."
> >
> > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple 
> > orchard; but not quite.
> >
> > You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on 
> > the new iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not 
> > using a fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy 
> > phone, every single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it, 
> > and do it extremely well, I might add, then why not Apple?
> >
> > Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn 
> > and we must reap, what we must.
> >
> > I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near future.
> >
> > I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my 
> > beloved 8 Plus for a little longer.
> >
> > Mark
> >
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Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Devin Prater]

I'd definitely take TouchID back. I'll be waiting for the next iPhone.
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 12:54 PM Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

> If I could have touch or facial ID, I'd take touch; I think it is more
> secure. Actually, I think it extremely unlikely that someone would hold up
> my phone and snatch it, once it was on, but there is that likelihood with
> facial, where with touch, I'd really be in trouble if someone force my
> finger, and they wouldn't know which to use, because I did not use my
> forefinger, when I had fingerprint. I guess they'd know if they'd seen me
> with my phone. Anyway, it does seem maybe a smidgen more secure to have
> touch rather than facial ID.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of chalt...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:36 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>
> For my part, I just find touch ID to be a bit more convenient then face
> ID. There are just those times when I don't need to hold the phone up to my
> face, like when I'm lying down or sitting at a table. My hand is already on
> the phone, since I have to touch the screen to interact with it, so it
> would be no big deal to use touch ID.  With face ID though, I have to
> remember to then hold it up to my face, and since I didn't do it
> immediately, I may have to do it more then once or just resort to entering
> my PIN. I don't hate face ID, and I wouldn't avoid buying a phone just
> because it didn't have touch ID, but with all things being equal, I'd go
> with a phone that supported touch ID.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> > Michael Maslo
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:35 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
> >
> > Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  print
> > scan instead of facial ID?
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Michael maslo
> >
> > > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Everyone,
> > >
> > > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a
> > > fingerprint sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12
> series.
> > >
> > > I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at
> > > its conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."
> > >
> > > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple
> > > orchard; but not quite.
> > >
> > > You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on
> > > the new iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not
> > > using a fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy
> > > phone, every single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it,
> > > and do it extremely well, I might add, then why not Apple?
> > >
> > > Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn
> > > and we must reap, what we must.
> > >
> > > I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near future.
> > >
> > > I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my
> > > beloved 8 Plus for a little longer.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
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Re: Review iPhone 12 series??

[Mary Otten]

I am with you on 5G, Les and Alan. I think it’s a bunch of height, especially 
Verizon and their MM wave which is vanishingly difficult to actually connect 
to. So they’re ripping you off yet again. It’s interesting that both they and 
AT are giving a little subsidy on the iPhone. They must be desperate. I think 
the SE2 could be very compelling. That’s especially if you like a home button.
I’m sticking with my 10 R.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 14, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan,
> I am also with you and Richard. I will share my experience in the hopes it 
> will help others. I have been a Verizon customer for many years. As a result, 
> I am on a Loyalty Plan for individuals 55 and older. I was seriously 
> considering the iPhone 12 Mini and had a lengthy conversation with a Verizon 
> rep. Then I asked about how this would affect our plan. I learned that if I 
> purchased a 5G capable phone, I would have to switch to a 5g plan. Our bill 
> would go up by $54 per month. It gets worse. I live in a town which does not 
> have 5G yet. No way to tell when that might come here. So I would be paying 
> an extra $54 per month for a service I cannot use. Guess what I'm doing? I'm 
> now looking at either the SEor the iPhone 11 pro. I would welcome any 
> comments pro or con about either phone. For me, 5G is out. Even if it were 
> available, I don't think it's worth an extra $54 per month. Now, this could 
> change, but it does not matter to me at this point.
> Best Regards,
> 
> Les
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
> Lemly
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 4:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??
> 
> I'm with Richard here. Be aware that all the hoopla about 5G will require use 
> of cellular data and I suspect that at some point, carriers will be charging 
> accordingly to recover whatever hardware they've priced low to get you into 
> their fold. I still intend to primarily use wifi since I'm using my iPhone at 
> home most of the time and don't intend to increase the capacity of my 
> cellular plan whether using 4G or 5G.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 8:48 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??
> 
> I usually follow the motto that if it looks too good to be true, it probably 
> is.
> What kind of contract commitments do they want with these amazing pricings?
> 
> If it locks you into a 2 year contract at a given level, I'd make sure I 
> understand the possible down sides.
> If it is right for a person, then that's great!
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,  and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
> Merritt
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 6:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Review iPhone 12 series??
> 
> For those looking to upgrade to the new phones, I found some aggressive 
> pricing from AT and Verizon mentioned in the Apple Store app, like an $800 
> credit from AT They really want to get everyone on 5G, and same from 
> Verizon it looks like. I wasn't planning on getting one, but this may change 
> my mind. I've never heard of major carriers practically giving away the new 
> iPhone before.
> 
> Best,
> Wayne Merritt
> 
>> On 10/13/20, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>> I always go for the iPhone with the latest processor so I have the 
>> maximum available iOS updates.  I like the possibility of wireless 
>> charging. If I git a 12 it will be the mini. I like a smaller size for 
>> easy one-handed use, and I have no need for the camera system on the 
>> pro.
>> 
>>> On 10/13/20, Darshan Beniwal  wrote:
>>> Hi iPhone fans
>>> 
>>> How did you find iPhone 12 series? Any recommendation or suggestion 
>>> about that. I'm planning to buy new iPhone. Is it a good choice to 
>>> buy iPhone
>>> 12
>>> or shall I go for its down versions?
>>> 
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RE: Screen locks when on phone call

[Carolyn]

Mine does that, but I have it set on two minutes. I just press the button on 
the right side, and it opens. 

-Original Message-
From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 10:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen locks when on phone call

Thanks for confirming tgat, Rick! Yet another bug to report to Apple!
Harry

> On 15 Oct 2020, at 14:36, rick.alf...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I'm seeing exactly the same behavior on my iPhone 11 running IOS 14.01. Very 
> annoying.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Warmest regards
> 
> Rick Alfaro
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 12:57 AM
> To: Abridged Recipients 
> Subject: Screen locks when on phone call
> 
> 
>> 
>>> On my iPhone SE 2020 running iOS 14.0.1, even though I have autolock set 
>>> to never when I am on a phone call the screen locks and therefore thes two 
>>> finger magic tap does not work to end tge call. I have to first of all wake 
>>> the phone with my finger ID before the magic tap will work. Is this a bug 
>>> or not?
>>> Thanks
>>> Harry
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RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Carolyn]

If I could have touch or facial ID, I'd take touch; I think it is more secure. 
Actually, I think it extremely unlikely that someone would hold up my phone and 
snatch it, once it was on, but there is that likelihood with facial, where with 
touch, I'd really be in trouble if someone force my finger, and they wouldn't 
know which to use, because I did not use my forefinger, when I had fingerprint. 
I guess they'd know if they'd seen me with my phone. Anyway, it does seem maybe 
a smidgen more secure to have touch rather than facial ID. 

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Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

For my part, I just find touch ID to be a bit more convenient then face ID. 
There are just those times when I don't need to hold the phone up to my face, 
like when I'm lying down or sitting at a table. My hand is already on the 
phone, since I have to touch the screen to interact with it, so it would be no 
big deal to use touch ID.  With face ID though, I have to remember to then hold 
it up to my face, and since I didn't do it immediately, I may have to do it 
more then once or just resort to entering my PIN. I don't hate face ID, and I 
wouldn't avoid buying a phone just because it didn't have touch ID, but with 
all things being equal, I'd go with a phone that supported touch ID.

--
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Michael Maslo
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
> 
> Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  print 
> scan instead of facial ID?
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Michael maslo
> 
> > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor  wrote:
> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a 
> > fingerprint sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 series.
> >
> > I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at 
> > its conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."
> >
> > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple 
> > orchard; but not quite.
> >
> > You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on 
> > the new iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not 
> > using a fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy 
> > phone, every single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it, 
> > and do it extremely well, I might add, then why not Apple?
> >
> > Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn 
> > and we must reap, what we must.
> >
> > I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near future.
> >
> > I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my 
> > beloved 8 Plus for a little longer.
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> > Mark
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RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Carolyn]

True about that with the mask. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Julian
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 12:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

In a word, masks. That thing we all have to wear now when we go places or want 
to board airplanes and such. For the record, I would love to have both face ID 
and touch ID and a device, that way we have the ultimate choice.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 14, 2020, at 9:37 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Good question Michael,
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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> Sent: Thursday, 15 October 2020 5:35 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
> 
> Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  print scan 
> instead of facial ID?
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Michael maslo
> 
>> On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a 
>> fingerprint sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 series.
>> 
>> I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at its 
>> conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."
>> 
>> I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple 
>> orchard; but not quite.
>> 
>> You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on 
>> the new iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not 
>> using a fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy 
>> phone, every single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it, 
>> and do it extremely well, I might add, then why not Apple?
>> 
>> Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn 
>> and we must reap, what we must.
>> 
>> I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near future.  
>> 
>> I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my 
>> beloved 8 Plus for a little longer.
>> 
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RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Carolyn]

I don't remember fingerprint ID ever not working, where, every now and then, 
I'm probably a little off or something, but facial won't, and I use passcode - 
have gotten fast at that too. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Michael Maslo
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 12:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  print scan 
instead of facial ID?

Sincerely,

Michael maslo

> On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a 
> fingerprint sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 series.
> 
> I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at its 
> conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."
> 
> I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple 
> orchard; but not quite.
> 
> You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on 
> the new iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not 
> using a fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy 
> phone, every single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it, 
> and do it extremely well, I might add, then why not Apple?
> 
> Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn 
> and we must reap, what we must.
> 
> I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near future.  
> 
> I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my 
> beloved 8 Plus for a little longer.
> 
> Mark
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RE: What Apple didn't tell us: Spotty 5G, Mini larger than SE, pricey Max, USA Today

[Carolyn]

And apple Care is optional. Back when I got my 4S, my daughter-in-love 
convinced me I needed it, but two months of paying extra for it convinced me 
that I did not. Now, on my thire iPhone, Settings reminds me that I have only 
three days left (to get Apple Care). I do have a good screen saver and a nice 
case for it though. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 10:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What Apple didn't tell us: Spotty 5G, Mini larger than SE, pricey 
Max, USA Today

Hi Mark,

Thanks for posting this but Jefferson Graham got at least one of his facts 
incorrect. About pricing, he says "The iPhone 12 doesn't sound that steep at 
$799. But if you decide to spring for extra storage and Apple Care, as many do, 
that will bring it to $1,298." The cost of an iPhone 12 with 256GB maximum 
memory is $949 with an additional $149 for AppleCare which is a total of $1098, 
still quite a bit of money but $200 less than what he stated. 

Alan Lemly

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M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 8:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What Apple didn't tell us: Spotty 5G, Mini larger than SE, pricey Max, 
USA Today

What Apple didn't tell you about the new iPhones By Jefferson Graham, USA TODAY

The late Steve Jobs was known for engaging in a "reality distortion field"
when launching new projects that perhaps didn't tell the whole story.

On Tuesday, Apple did a masterful job at its big reveal event of hyping its 
lineup of four new iPhones that, on the face of it, will have faster 
processors, improved camera features and connect to the new 5G wireless 
standard. In addition to starting out with a new HomePod mini, Apple unveiled 
an iPhone 12, iPhone 12 Mini, iPhone 12 Pro and the iPhone Pro Max, ranging in 
price from starting at $699 on up to starting at $1,099.  We got the super 
detailed information on the processors, lenses and intuitive technology that 
makes it all work. 
But what didn't Apple tell us? Well, a lot.

5G is here, but only sort of.
Apple touted 5G on iPhone as enabling faster game play, movies that would load 
faster and apps that would zip along. And it brought the CEO of Verizon onto 
the stage to hype 5G as well.

But good luck finding the 5G Apple and Verizon sold.  ("We believe it will take 
carriers years to build a compelling 5G infrastructure," noted analyst and 
investor Gene Munster of Loup Ventures.) What Verizon calls its 5G Ultra 
Wideband is in just 50 cities now and will increase to 60 by the end of the 
year. But the coverage is spotty, it works in certain areas of the city only 
and is unavailable in some major places, like Maine, Vermont, Louisiana, 
Alabama and North Dakota.

The 5G offered by T-Mobile and AT is more widespread but not currently much 
faster than 4G. Verizon on Tuesday unveiled a new, slower 5G, similar to what 
AT and T-Mobile have that it says is available to 200 million customers. 
Munster added that Verizon's touted speeds on the Apple presentation "are only 
available to about 1% of the U.S. population today."

The latest:Apple unveils iPhone 12 models starting at $699, and HomePod Mini 
speaker

No jacks:  Apple's new iPhone 12, iPhone 12 Pro models will come without 
charger and headphones

That new iPhone could cost you at check out.
The iPhone 12 doesn't sound that steep at $799. But if you decide to spring for 
extra storage and Apple Care, as many do, that will bring it to $1,298, before 
tax. Then add the new MagSafe wireless charger and new case, and you're looking 
at $1,398. Which could be a bargain compared to the $1,768 for the 
top-of-the-line maxed out iPhone 12 Pro Max, which starts at $1,099, before the 
extra storage, warranty and accessories.

The Mini is the smallest iPhone. Again sort of.
Of the new iPhones, the Mini clocks in with a 5.4-inch screen, smaller than the 
6.1-inch screen of the iPhone 12 and 12 Pro, or 6.7-inch iPhone 12 Pro Max. The 
SE, which happens to be the lowest-priced iPhone, at $399, has a 4.7-inch 
screen. Now that's a mini, compared to the others. What the SE doesn't have is 
an edge to edge screen, like the Mini. he Mini is physically smaller in body 
size. Mini: Height (5.18 inches) Width (2.53) and Depth:
(0.29) SE: Height (5.45) Width (2.65) and Depth (0.29)

The iPhone 12 doesn't have the highest resolution screen The Samsung Galaxy S20 
Ultra touts 3200x1440 resolution, versus 2778x1284 for the iPhone 12 Pro Max.

What is that 'ceramic shield'?
Apple says the new glass from Corning, the same company that has been providing 
the Gorilla Glass screens that so many people have cracked over the years, is 
"tougher" than any smartphone glass. Corning also makes the screens for Galaxy 
phones and other smartphone makers, which Apple didn't mention. And how is this 

RE: Review iPhone 12 series??

[Carolyn]

I have an 11, not a Pro, but if the SE had been out, when I needed to replace 
my phone, I'd have bought it. For one reason, it still has a Home Button. I 
have had no problem not having one, but I find fingerprint ID never to fail, 
where facial ID sometimes can, and I use my passcode to open. The other reason 
would be that the SE is a little smaller, more convenient to carry or store in 
pocket or purse. 

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Les Kriegler
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 8:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??

Hi Alan,
I am also with you and Richard. I will share my experience in the hopes it will 
help others. I have been a Verizon customer for many years. As a result, I am 
on a Loyalty Plan for individuals 55 and older. I was seriously considering the 
iPhone 12 Mini and had a lengthy conversation with a Verizon rep. Then I asked 
about how this would affect our plan. I learned that if I purchased a 5G 
capable phone, I would have to switch to a 5g plan. Our bill would go up by $54 
per month. It gets worse. I live in a town which does not have 5G yet. No way 
to tell when that might come here. So I would be paying an extra $54 per month 
for a service I cannot use. Guess what I'm doing? I'm now looking at either the 
SEor the iPhone 11 pro. I would welcome any comments pro or con about either 
phone. For me, 5G is out. Even if it were available, I don't think it's worth 
an extra $54 per month. Now, this could change, but it does not matter to me at 
this point.
Best Regards,

Les

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 4:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??

I'm with Richard here. Be aware that all the hoopla about 5G will require use 
of cellular data and I suspect that at some point, carriers will be charging 
accordingly to recover whatever hardware they've priced low to get you into 
their fold. I still intend to primarily use wifi since I'm using my iPhone at 
home most of the time and don't intend to increase the capacity of my cellular 
plan whether using 4G or 5G.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 8:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??

I usually follow the motto that if it looks too good to be true, it probably is.
What kind of contract commitments do they want with these amazing pricings?

If it locks you into a 2 year contract at a given level, I'd make sure I 
understand the possible down sides.
If it is right for a person, then that's great!



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,  and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
Merritt
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 6:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Review iPhone 12 series??

For those looking to upgrade to the new phones, I found some aggressive pricing 
from AT and Verizon mentioned in the Apple Store app, like an $800 credit 
from AT They really want to get everyone on 5G, and same from Verizon it 
looks like. I wasn't planning on getting one, but this may change my mind. I've 
never heard of major carriers practically giving away the new iPhone before.

Best,
Wayne Merritt

On 10/13/20, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> I always go for the iPhone with the latest processor so I have the 
> maximum available iOS updates.  I like the possibility of wireless 
> charging. If I git a 12 it will be the mini. I like a smaller size for 
> easy one-handed use, and I have no need for the camera system on the 
> pro.
>
> On 10/13/20, Darshan Beniwal  wrote:
>> Hi iPhone fans
>>
>> How did you find iPhone 12 series? Any recommendation or suggestion 
>> about that. I'm planning to buy new iPhone. Is it a good choice to 
>> buy iPhone
>> 12
>> or shall I go for its down versions?
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Re: Screen locks when on phone call

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

Thanks for confirming tgat, Rick! Yet another bug to report to Apple!
Harry

> On 15 Oct 2020, at 14:36, rick.alf...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I'm seeing exactly the same behavior on my iPhone 11 running IOS 14.01. Very 
> annoying.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Warmest regards
> 
> Rick Alfaro
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 12:57 AM
> To: Abridged Recipients 
> Subject: Screen locks when on phone call
> 
> 
>> 
>>> On my iPhone SE 2020 running iOS 14.0.1, even though I have autolock set 
>>> to never when I am on a phone call the screen locks and therefore thes two 
>>> finger magic tap does not work to end tge call. I have to first of all wake 
>>> the phone with my finger ID before the magic tap will work. Is this a bug 
>>> or not?
>>> Thanks
>>> Harry
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RE: Screen locks when on phone call

[rick.alfaro]

I'm seeing exactly the same behavior on my iPhone 11 running IOS 14.01. Very 
annoying.





Warmest regards

Rick Alfaro

-Original Message-
From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 12:57 AM
To: Abridged Recipients 
Subject: Screen locks when on phone call


> 
>> On my iPhone SE 2020 running iOS 14.0.1, even though I have autolock set to 
>> never when I am on a phone call the screen locks and therefore thes two 
>> finger magic tap does not work to end tge call. I have to first of all wake 
>> the phone with my finger ID before the magic tap will work. Is this a bug or 
>> not?
>> Thanks
>> Harry

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RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[chaltain]

For my part, I just find touch ID to be a bit more convenient then face ID. 
There are just those times when I don't need to hold the phone up to my face, 
like when I'm lying down or sitting at a table. My hand is already on the 
phone, since I have to touch the screen to interact with it, so it would be no 
big deal to use touch ID.  With face ID though, I have to remember to then hold 
it up to my face, and since I didn't do it immediately, I may have to do it 
more then once or just resort to entering my PIN. I don't hate face ID, and I 
wouldn't avoid buying a phone just because it didn't have touch ID, but with 
all things being equal, I'd go with a phone that supported touch ID.

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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Michael Maslo
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:35 PM
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> Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
> 
> Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  print scan
> instead of facial ID?
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Michael maslo
> 
> > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor  wrote:
> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a
> > fingerprint sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 series.
> >
> > I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at its
> > conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."
> >
> > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple
> > orchard; but not quite.
> >
> > You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on
> > the new iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not
> > using a fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy
> > phone, every single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it,
> > and do it extremely well, I might add, then why not Apple?
> >
> > Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn
> > and we must reap, what we must.
> >
> > I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near future.
> >
> > I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my
> > beloved 8 Plus for a little longer.
> >
> > Mark
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Re: Does Apple Watch use Screen Curtain?

[Michael Hunter]

Hello Richard
I live in Ashford Kent UK. You may find the following Apple Support page of
interest re Screen Curtain with VoiceOver for your Mac etc
.
I went to the Apple store at Bluewater and tried an Apple Watch Series 6.
1st Apple Watch that I have tried. Very impressed with it and hope to get
one very soon. I am also interested in the NaviLens technology.

Michael Hamilton Hunter

On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 at 04:56, Richard Turner 
wrote:

> Simon, I only wanted to know the answer to what I asked, and I got that
> answer.
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
> Edward Herbert
>
> On Oct 9, 2020, at 7:33 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>
> 
>
> What is it you’re actually wanting to know?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Richard Turner
> *Sent:* Saturday, 10 October 2020 5:15 am
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Does Apple Watch use Screen Curtain?
>
>
>
> I’m reading Apple Watch for Dummies, and since it isn’t about
> accessibility, I thought I’d ask here about Screen Curtain on the watch.
>
> Probably defeats the point of having a clockface, but mostly just curious.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
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