Re: Weak Security Being Reported

['Annelie Robledo' via VIPhone]

>  I had the same message having week security on my guest network. It has 
> nothing to do with the password being strong or not the way I was able to fix 
> it  was that it had not been set
> to WPA to personal once I fixed that it took care of the problem.

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Re: entering times on the iPhone using IOS 14

[dani pagador]

Hi, Alison.
Catching up on mail, so am sorry if this is coming to you late.
After the "Snooze" button there's a phone-style numeric keypad. In the
Edit field, it starts off with 00:00, and VO reads it as 100 hours.
You need to write your chosen time in hh and mm, so if I want 7:15, I
need to key in 0715 on the keypad, or in my case, use Braille screen
input to write it in. Swipe right to choose between AM and PM. I want
the picker back.

HTH,
Dani




On 11/16/20, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:
> I will certainly try this out.
> Alison
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> l.d.ethie...@gmail.com
> Sent: 16 November 2020 13:19
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: entering times on the iPhone using IOS 14
>
> Hello,
> Before, you had to select time and date. Now, you have to type time, To do
> it you have to type the 4 numbers. For exemple you will type 1030 for 10:30
> Hope it helps Lyne
>
>> Le 16 nov. 2020 à 08:13, CJ & AA MAY  a écrit :
>>
>> I'm sorry, I don't understand your message. How do I enter numbers
>> without typing them?
>> I used to be able to swipe down but this doesn't seem to happen now.
>>
>> Alison
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> l.d.ethie...@gmail.com
>> Sent: 16 November 2020 10:57
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: entering times on the iPhone using IOS 14
>>
>> Hello, you don't need to type colon, only numbers.
>>
>> Lyne
>>
>>> Le 16 nov. 2020 à 05:07, dani pagador  a écrit :
>>>
>>> Hi, Alison.
>>> The clock is messed up, too, so I've had trouble adding new alarms. I
>>> think the format is hh:mm. So if I want an alarm for 10:30 I have to
>>> type in the ten, then colon, then thirty, and finally swipe over to
>>> choose whether I want the AM or PM button.
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>> Dani
>>>
> On 11/15/20, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:
 At the moment the only way I seem to be able to enter a start and
 end time using the calendar app on my iPhone is tgo do so via Siri.
 There is an edit field but I’m finding it tricky to use. Any tips?

 Alison



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Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

[Holly]

Mr. Ed.  I have 14.2 installed on my SE 2020 and I do not see scene description 
in the verbosity settings.

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RE: hi ll is there a list for apple watch users?

[jasmine.kotsay]

I would like to subscribe as well.

 

 

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Facer
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 1:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: hi ll is there a list for apple watch users?

 

Hi Richard,

 

I own the watch users group. It is not very active right now, but that doesn’t 
mean it couldn’t be. I hope you will subscribe and generate some discussion! 

 

Jenn

 

Jenn and Kumi

  _  

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Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com> >
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Subject: Re: hi ll is there a list for apple watch users? 

 

No, the list is not very active. I think the list owner is on this list if I’m 
not mistaken.

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Nov 20, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Mary,

Is that list very active?

 

 

 

Richard

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 www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

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Subject: Re: hi ll is there a list for apple watch users?

 

watchosblindusersgroup+subscr...@groups.io 
 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Nov 20, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Mich Verrier mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca> > wrote:



Hi all erlier today when going through my e mails I thought I saw some one say 
that there is a list for apple watch users? And if so can I please have the 
subscription address for that? it was something like apple watch simple or 
something like that if I remember. Many thanks. From Mich.

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RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

[Mr. Ed]

Hi,

Here is how I think you have to turn it off on the iPhone 6s, 7, 8. First of 
all you have to have IOS 14.2. Installed. Go to accessibility/boice 
over/verbosity, then go all the way to the bottom of the list with a four 
finger tap and it’s the second one up which says scene description.  Double tap 
on this and when in here turn off scene description. Then below that is apply 
to apps. If you open this up it shows all your apps and they are all selected. 
If you don’t want scene description turn off on a certain app you unselect it.  
 

Mr. Ed

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Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

Well,  by god, Dianne, that is a way to fix it! Now, there just has to be a way 
to turn off image description globally in the way that swiping up turns it off. 
It is off in settings already, but that swiping up when it is in the rotor does 
something else. I will write to Apple Accessibility later today and tell them 
what you figured out. Maybe they will then know how to get turning it off in 
settings will really turn it off. Thank you very much. 

Arnold Schmidt 

 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20


On Nov 20, 2020, at 7:01 AM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:

  Sorry, but that message went out before I had a chance to fix it. I don’t 
get annoyed with that nice guy Or whatever, but would prefer not to have it if 
I could have the option. I put this on  before. The option I found worked is to 
put describe image In your rotor.  Rotor  has it where you can put it in there 
and when it’s in there it says if you Flick up or down it’ll say on or off. So 
if you are in some thing that you do not want that to say, just click it off. 
You don’t have to go in it, but you just go to where it says off and you will 
be fine. At least, that is what works for me. Let me know if anyone tries it 
and good luck.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!





On Nov 20, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:



I kind of feel the same way. It’s not like I have to wait until VoiceOver stops 
speaking before I can touch or swipe to the next thing, and it is kind of 
interesting to know what others are seeing when they look at their phone. That 
being said, I get it when people are annoyed by what they consider to be 
frivolous chatter, which is why this should be configurable, and at least in 
the case of image recognition, Apple’s intent was to make it configurable. 
Therefore, if you’re still hearing this text after you’ve tried to turn off 
settings like image recognition then it should definitely be reported to Apple.

 

--

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Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Angie 
Nutt
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

I don’t find it intrusive either; if anything it’s fascinating. I wonder 
whether it’s trying to recognise the icons on whatever screen I’m on.

 

All the best

Angie






On 18 Nov 2020, at 22:26, Wayne Merritt  wrote:

 

I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it.
I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I
have an iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since
it is not what I'm listening for and extra information. Plus, it does
not seem that intrusive to me, just a short blurb added onto whatever
I'm doing. I can see how it would get annoying though.

Be well,
Wayne Merritt

On 11/18/20, Deb Cook Lewis <  
deblewi...@gmail.com> wrote:




Yeah I’m following up on this. All the theories are kind of blown for the
older phones.





From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky



Deb, I was hoping I had saved this message so that I could reply to it. If
you haven't already done so, I would urge you, and anybody else running 14.2
on an older phone,   to contact Apple Accessibility, being that you have
experienced these  extra descriptions  on a phone that does not have the
image description stuff. It may be something about 14.2, and the image
feature, in reality, is not the problem. It will be interesting to know just
what it is.



Arnold Schmidt



Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20


On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition
mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.

Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll
probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.





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Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
To: 

Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

[Holly]

I don't see scene description in my rotor action list, just media 
description. 


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Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

[Diane Giannetti]

Arnold, thank you very much. That was very nice of you.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Nov 20, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> I just talked to Apple Accessibility again, and told them about your 
> workaround, Dianne. And I let them know that you came up with it, I didn't 
> want the credit. I didn't give them any identifying information about you, 
> except your name, and the fact that I read it on the viphone email list, but 
> hey, you ought to win something. They agree that it should point them in the 
> right direction to fix it in a future update. This list comes through again. 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
> 
> On Nov 20, 2020, at 4:27 PM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:
> 
> Thank you 
> Arnold, glad I could be of some help.
> 
> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>>> 
>> Well,  by god, Dianne, that is a way to fix it! Now, there just has to be a 
>> way to turn off image description globally in the way that swiping up turns 
>> it off. It is off in settings already, but that swiping up when it is in the 
>> rotor does something else. I will write to Apple Accessibility later today 
>> and tell them what you figured out. Maybe they will then know how to get 
>> turning it off in settings will really turn it off. Thank you very much. 
>> Arnold Schmidt 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
>> 
>> On Nov 20, 2020, at 7:01 AM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:
>> 
>>   Sorry, but that message went out before I had a chance to fix it. I don’t 
>> get annoyed with that nice guy Or whatever, but would prefer not to have it 
>> if I could have the option. I put this on  before. The option I found worked 
>> is to put describe image In your rotor.  Rotor  has it where you can put it 
>> in there and when it’s in there it says if you Flick up or down it’ll say on 
>> or off. So if you are in some thing that you do not want that to say, just 
>> click it off. You don’t have to go in it, but you just go to where it says 
>> off and you will be fine. At least, that is what works for me. Let me know 
>> if anyone tries it and good luck.
>> 
>> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
>> 
 On Nov 20, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
 wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> I kind of feel the same way. It’s not like I have to wait until VoiceOver 
>>> stops speaking before I can touch or swipe to the next thing, and it is 
>>> kind of interesting to know what others are seeing when they look at their 
>>> phone. That being said, I get it when people are annoyed by what they 
>>> consider to be frivolous chatter, which is why this should be configurable, 
>>> and at least in the case of image recognition, Apple’s intent was to make 
>>> it configurable. Therefore, if you’re still hearing this text after you’ve 
>>> tried to turn off settings like image recognition then it should definitely 
>>> be reported to Apple.
>>>  
>>> --
>>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>>> Chaltain at Gmail
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Angie Nutt
>>> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:09 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>>>  
>>> I don’t find it intrusive either; if anything it’s fascinating. I wonder 
>>> whether it’s trying to recognise the icons on whatever screen I’m on.
>>>  
>>> All the best
>>> Angie
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 18 Nov 2020, at 22:26, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>>>  
>>> I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it.
>>> I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I
>>> have an iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since
>>> it is not what I'm listening for and extra information. Plus, it does
>>> not seem that intrusive to me, just a short blurb added onto whatever
>>> I'm doing. I can see how it would get annoying though.
>>> 
>>> Be well,
>>> Wayne Merritt
>>> 
>>> On 11/18/20, Deb Cook Lewis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah I’m following up on this. All the theories are kind of blown for the
>>> older phones.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:22 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Deb, I was hoping I had saved this message so that I could reply to it. If
>>> you haven't already done so, I would urge you, and anybody else running 14.2
>>> on an older phone,   to contact Apple Accessibility, being that you have
>>> experienced these  extra descriptions  on a phone that does not have the
>>> image description stuff. It may be something about 14.2, and the image
>>> feature, in reality, is not the problem. It will be interesting to know just
>>> what it is.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis >>  > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 

Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

[Maria Campbell]

Thank you.  That was easy.


Maria Campbell
lucky1i...@gmail.com

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--Edmund Burke

On 11/20/2020 6:50 PM, Reg Sullivan wrote:

I figured it out.  Go to Voice over, tap on  verbosity and  roter actions and 
turn sceen description  to off.

  


Sorry if this has been posted already.

  


Regards….Reg

  


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 11:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

  


Well,  by god, Dianne, that is a way to fix it! Now, there just has to be a way 
to turn off image description globally in the way that swiping up turns it off. 
It is off in settings already, but that swiping up when it is in the rotor does 
something else. I will write to Apple Accessibility later today and tell them 
what you figured out. Maybe they will then know how to get turning it off in 
settings will really turn it off. Thank you very much.

Arnold Schmidt

  


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20


On Nov 20, 2020, at 7:01 AM, Diane Giannetti mailto:diane1lu...@gmail.com> > wrote:

  Sorry, but that message went out before I had a chance to fix it. I don’t 
get annoyed with that nice guy Or whatever, but would prefer not to have it if 
I could have the option. I put this on  before. The option I found worked is to 
put describe image In your rotor.  Rotor  has it where you can put it in there 
and when it’s in there it says if you Flick up or down it’ll say on or off. So 
if you are in some thing that you do not want that to say, just click it off. 
You don’t have to go in it, but you just go to where it says off and you will 
be fine. At least, that is what works for me. Let me know if anyone tries it 
and good luck.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!





On Nov 20, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Christopher Chaltain mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> > wrote:



I kind of feel the same way. It’s not like I have to wait until VoiceOver stops 
speaking before I can touch or swipe to the next thing, and it is kind of 
interesting to know what others are seeing when they look at their phone. That 
being said, I get it when people are annoyed by what they consider to be 
frivolous chatter, which is why this should be configurable, and at least in 
the case of image recognition, Apple’s intent was to make it configurable. 
Therefore, if you’re still hearing this text after you’ve tried to turn off 
settings like image recognition then it should definitely be reported to Apple.

  


--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

  


From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Angie Nutt
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

  


I don’t find it intrusive either; if anything it’s fascinating. I wonder 
whether it’s trying to recognise the icons on whatever screen I’m on.

  


All the best

Angie






On 18 Nov 2020, at 22:26, Wayne Merritt mailto:wcmerr...@gmail.com> > wrote:

  


I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it.
I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I
have an iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since
it is not what I'm listening for and extra information. Plus, it does
not seem that intrusive to me, just a short blurb added onto whatever
I'm doing. I can see how it would get annoying though.

Be well,
Wayne Merritt

On 11/18/20, Deb Cook Lewis <  
deblewi...@gmail.com> wrote:




Yeah I’m following up on this. All the theories are kind of blown for the
older phones.





From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky



Deb, I was hoping I had saved this message so that I could reply to it. If
you haven't already done so, I would urge you, and anybody else running 14.2
on an older phone,   to contact Apple Accessibility, being that you have
experienced these  extra descriptions  on a phone that does not have the
image description stuff. It may be something about 14.2, and the image
feature, in reality, is not the problem. It will be interesting to know just
what it is.



Arnold Schmidt



Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20


On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com>
 > wrote:



Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition
mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.

Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll
probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.





From: viphone@googlegroups.com 

RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

[Reg Sullivan]

I figured it out.  Go to Voice over, tap on  verbosity and  roter actions and 
turn sceen description  to off.

 

Sorry if this has been posted already.

 

Regards….Reg

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 11:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

Well,  by god, Dianne, that is a way to fix it! Now, there just has to be a way 
to turn off image description globally in the way that swiping up turns it off. 
It is off in settings already, but that swiping up when it is in the rotor does 
something else. I will write to Apple Accessibility later today and tell them 
what you figured out. Maybe they will then know how to get turning it off in 
settings will really turn it off. Thank you very much. 

Arnold Schmidt 

 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20


On Nov 20, 2020, at 7:01 AM, Diane Giannetti mailto:diane1lu...@gmail.com> > wrote:

  Sorry, but that message went out before I had a chance to fix it. I don’t 
get annoyed with that nice guy Or whatever, but would prefer not to have it if 
I could have the option. I put this on  before. The option I found worked is to 
put describe image In your rotor.  Rotor  has it where you can put it in there 
and when it’s in there it says if you Flick up or down it’ll say on or off. So 
if you are in some thing that you do not want that to say, just click it off. 
You don’t have to go in it, but you just go to where it says off and you will 
be fine. At least, that is what works for me. Let me know if anyone tries it 
and good luck.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!





On Nov 20, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Christopher Chaltain mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> > wrote:



I kind of feel the same way. It’s not like I have to wait until VoiceOver stops 
speaking before I can touch or swipe to the next thing, and it is kind of 
interesting to know what others are seeing when they look at their phone. That 
being said, I get it when people are annoyed by what they consider to be 
frivolous chatter, which is why this should be configurable, and at least in 
the case of image recognition, Apple’s intent was to make it configurable. 
Therefore, if you’re still hearing this text after you’ve tried to turn off 
settings like image recognition then it should definitely be reported to Apple.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Angie Nutt
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

I don’t find it intrusive either; if anything it’s fascinating. I wonder 
whether it’s trying to recognise the icons on whatever screen I’m on.

 

All the best

Angie






On 18 Nov 2020, at 22:26, Wayne Merritt mailto:wcmerr...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it.
I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I
have an iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since
it is not what I'm listening for and extra information. Plus, it does
not seem that intrusive to me, just a short blurb added onto whatever
I'm doing. I can see how it would get annoying though.

Be well,
Wayne Merritt

On 11/18/20, Deb Cook Lewis <  
deblewi...@gmail.com> wrote:




Yeah I’m following up on this. All the theories are kind of blown for the
older phones.





From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky



Deb, I was hoping I had saved this message so that I could reply to it. If
you haven't already done so, I would urge you, and anybody else running 14.2
on an older phone,   to contact Apple Accessibility, being that you have
experienced these  extra descriptions  on a phone that does not have the
image description stuff. It may be something about 14.2, and the image
feature, in reality, is not the problem. It will be interesting to know just
what it is.



Arnold Schmidt



Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20


On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com> 
 > wrote:



Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition
mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.

Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll
probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.





From: viphone@googlegroups.com  

mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
 > On Behalf Of
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
To: 

Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

[Andy Baracco]

That sounds like an awful lot of work.

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Donna Casteen 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 3:25 PM
  Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky


  If people would take the time & do what has been suggested, rather gripe & 
complain, the problem would have been solved days ago for you. 


  Here goes once again


  Go to settings, accessibility, voiceover, rotor & add screen recognition & 
image description. Why do this? In case you should find yourself in a situation 
in which these controls would be helpful. With these controls in the rotor, 
they are easily accessible, literally right at your fingertips. Using the flick 
gesture these controls can be toggled On/Off in the rotor. If you Do Not 
foresee yourself using these controls, make sure to remove the controls from 
the rotor, so that you don’t accidentally turn the controls on.  (For those 
with older phones, in the rotor setting add images & describe images to the 
rotor, by tapping on each item to select it. By turning the rotor to these 
controls, a flick will toggle the controls on/off.)


  Now go to settings, accessibility, voiceover, voice recognition. Tap to open 
image description. Here you can turn off image description, change how 
sensitive content is displayed & in which apps, if any, you want to use image 
description. Go back to voice recognition. Tap on screen recognition. Here you 
can turn off screen recognition, choose which apps, if any, you want to use 
screen recognition. (I have all apps unselected) Go back to voice recognition & 
tap to toggle text recognition on/off. When Off text in pictures will Not be 
recognized. 


  Go back to voice recognition, tap on Feedback Style. Here you can choose how 
images & text are presented to you; by speak, sound or none.


  This should solve the “night sky” spoken problem.


  Donna


  will


  Well,  by god, Dianne, that is a way to fix it! Now, there just has to be a 
way to turn off image description globally in the way that swiping up turns it 
off. It is off in settings already, but that swiping up when it is in the rotor 
does something else. I will write to Apple Accessibility later today and tell 
them what you figured out. Maybe they will then know how to get turning it off 
in settings will really turn it off. Thank you very much. 
Arnold Schmidt 



Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 20, 2020, at 7:01 AM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:


  Sorry, but that message went out before I had a chance to fix it. I 
don’t get annoyed with that nice guy Or whatever, but would prefer not to have 
it if I could have the option. I put this on  before. The option I found worked 
is to put describe image In your rotor.  Rotor  has it where you can put it in 
there and when it’s in there it says if you Flick up or down it’ll say on or 
off. So if you are in some thing that you do not want that to say, just click 
it off. You don’t have to go in it, but you just go to where it says off and 
you will be fine. At least, that is what works for me. Let me know if anyone 
tries it and good luck.


Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!


  On Nov 20, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
wrote:


  
  I kind of feel the same way. It’s not like I have to wait until VoiceOver 
stops speaking before I can touch or swipe to the next thing, and it is kind of 
interesting to know what others are seeing when they look at their phone. That 
being said, I get it when people are annoyed by what they consider to be 
frivolous chatter, which is why this should be configurable, and at least in 
the case of image recognition, Apple’s intent was to make it configurable. 
Therefore, if you’re still hearing this text after you’ve tried to turn off 
settings like image recognition then it should definitely be reported to Apple.



  --

  Christopher (AKA CJ)

  Chaltain at Gmail



  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Angie Nutt
  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:09 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky



  I don’t find it intrusive either; if anything it’s fascinating. I wonder 
whether it’s trying to recognise the icons on whatever screen I’m on.



  All the best

  Angie





On 18 Nov 2020, at 22:26, Wayne Merritt  wrote:



I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it.
I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I
have an iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since
it is not what I'm listening for and extra information. Plus, it does
not seem that intrusive to me, just a short blurb added onto whatever
I'm doing. I can see how it would get annoying though.

Be well,
Wayne Merritt

On 11/18/20, Deb Cook Lewis  wrote:



  Yeah I’m following up on this. All the 

Re: Recommendation for An Apple Compatible Bluetooth Keyboard?

[Andy Baracco]

I highly recommend and enjoy the matias bluetooth keyboard.  It is modeled 
after the original Apple keyboard.  It is full size and not foldable, but it 
is comfortable to type on, and the battery lasts forever on a charge.  i've 
had mine for two years, and only charged it once or twice.


Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Simon A Fogarty" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 3:16 PM
Subject: RE: Recommendation for An Apple Compatible Bluetooth Keyboard?


And it's all called touch typing.

-Original Message-
From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone 
Sent: Friday, 20 November 2020 10:35 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recommendation for An Apple Compatible Bluetooth Keyboard?

All  keyboards have, had, should have   a small tactile mark on F and J 
as position markers.  This was the case since the year

Dot,  so stopping it  now could reasonably be construed as discriminatory.

RobH.


- Original Message - 
From: "'Harry Bell' via VIPhone" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: Recommendation for An Apple Compatible Bluetooth Keyboard?


How do you locate which keys your fingers are on - i used to see enough to 
just make out letters but now on my magic keyboard

everything looks like a blank sheet of paper and i get lost
thanks
harry


On 19 Nov 2020, at 22:09, Holly  wrote:


Apple Magic Blue Tooth keyboard.  I love mine.
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Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

[Donna Casteen]

If people would take the time & do what has been suggested, rather gripe & 
complain, the problem would have been solved days ago for you. 

Here goes once again

Go to settings, accessibility, voiceover, rotor & add screen recognition & 
image description. Why do this? In case you should find yourself in a situation 
in which these controls would be helpful. With these controls in the rotor, 
they are easily accessible, literally right at your fingertips. Using the flick 
gesture these controls can be toggled On/Off in the rotor. If you Do Not 
foresee yourself using these controls, make sure to remove the controls from 
the rotor, so that you don’t accidentally turn the controls on.  (For those 
with older phones, in the rotor setting add images & describe images to the 
rotor, by tapping on each item to select it. By turning the rotor to these 
controls, a flick will toggle the controls on/off.)

Now go to settings, accessibility, voiceover, voice recognition. Tap to open 
image description. Here you can turn off image description, change how 
sensitive content is displayed & in which apps, if any, you want to use image 
description. Go back to voice recognition. Tap on screen recognition. Here you 
can turn off screen recognition, choose which apps, if any, you want to use 
screen recognition. (I have all apps unselected) Go back to voice recognition & 
tap to toggle text recognition on/off. When Off text in pictures will Not be 
recognized. 

Go back to voice recognition, tap on Feedback Style. Here you can choose how 
images & text are presented to you; by speak, sound or none.

This should solve the “night sky” spoken problem.

Donna

will

Well,  by god, Dianne, that is a way to fix it! Now, there just has to be a way 
to turn off image description globally in the way that swiping up turns it off. 
It is off in settings already, but that swiping up when it is in the rotor does 
something else. I will write to Apple Accessibility later today and tell them 
what you figured out. Maybe they will then know how to get turning it off in 
settings will really turn it off. Thank you very much. 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
> 
> On Nov 20, 2020, at 7:01 AM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:
> 
>   Sorry, but that message went out before I had a chance to fix it. I don’t 
> get annoyed with that nice guy Or whatever, but would prefer not to have it 
> if I could have the option. I put this on  before. The option I found worked 
> is to put describe image In your rotor.  Rotor  has it where you can put it 
> in there and when it’s in there it says if you Flick up or down it’ll say on 
> or off. So if you are in some thing that you do not want that to say, just 
> click it off. You don’t have to go in it, but you just go to where it says 
> off and you will be fine. At least, that is what works for me. Let me know if 
> anyone tries it and good luck.
> 
> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> I kind of feel the same way. It’s not like I have to wait until VoiceOver 
>> stops speaking before I can touch or swipe to the next thing, and it is kind 
>> of interesting to know what others are seeing when they look at their phone. 
>> That being said, I get it when people are annoyed by what they consider to 
>> be frivolous chatter, which is why this should be configurable, and at least 
>> in the case of image recognition, Apple’s intent was to make it 
>> configurable. Therefore, if you’re still hearing this text after you’ve 
>> tried to turn off settings like image recognition then it should definitely 
>> be reported to Apple.
>>  
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Gmail
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Angie 
>> Nutt
>> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:09 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>>  
>> I don’t find it intrusive either; if anything it’s fascinating. I wonder 
>> whether it’s trying to recognise the icons on whatever screen I’m on.
>>  
>> All the best
>> Angie
>> 
>> 
>> On 18 Nov 2020, at 22:26, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>>  
>> I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it.
>> I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I
>> have an iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since
>> it is not what I'm listening for and extra information. Plus, it does
>> not seem that intrusive to me, just a short blurb added onto whatever
>> I'm doing. I can see how it would get annoying though.
>> 
>> Be well,
>> Wayne Merritt
>> 
>> On 11/18/20, Deb Cook Lewis  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah I’m following up on this. All the theories are kind of blown for the
>> older phones.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:22 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>> 
>> 
>> 

RE: Recommendation for An Apple Compatible Bluetooth Keyboard?

[Simon A Fogarty]

And it's all called touch typing.

-Original Message-
From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
Sent: Friday, 20 November 2020 10:35 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recommendation for An Apple Compatible Bluetooth Keyboard?

All  keyboards have, had, should have   a small tactile mark on F and J as 
position markers.  This was the case since the year 
Dot,  so stopping it  now could reasonably be construed as discriminatory.

RobH.


- Original Message - 
From: "'Harry Bell' via VIPhone" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: Recommendation for An Apple Compatible Bluetooth Keyboard?


How do you locate which keys your fingers are on - i used to see enough to just 
make out letters but now on my magic keyboard 
everything looks like a blank sheet of paper and i get lost
thanks
harry

> On 19 Nov 2020, at 22:09, Holly  wrote:
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> 
> Apple Magic Blue Tooth keyboard.  I love mine.
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RE: Weak Security Being Reported

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi,

I really do wquestion that because I have a 10 character password and 
everything is same case and no symbols so it’s what I myself would call weak,
But none of my devices alert me to this,

I used a network earlier in the year that I kept getting security warning 
messages for and I managed to trace it back to the fact the network used wpa2 
with tkip encryption
And a strong password but I still got the message.

I let the landlord know as I was unable to change things
So if when you’re back at that house,
Try changing the password and see what happens.

Good luck.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Friday, 20 November 2020 5:43 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Weak Security Being Reported

Hi Simon and All,

I talked to Spectrum tech support and they're saying that our only problem is 
the strength or lack there of of our network password.  I questioned them about 
our router incription strength and the dude wouldn't bother checking since he 
was so sure that it's only a weak password problem.  I was not in a position to 
argue or debate since we're not there for me to change the password

So, the next time we go down I'll change the password and see what happens.  
Thank you all very much for all your input, it's been extremely helpful.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.
- Original Message -
From: Simon A Fogarty
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 9:13 PM
Subject: RE: Weak Security Being Reported

Hi Mike,
What I mean is
Is your router using WPA2 or something earlier WPA / WEP encryption for your 
wifi security,

Also if using wpa2 is it tkip  or ase  because these things can report lesser 
secure systems.

My recommendation would be that the system needs to be using WPA2 ASE or better
Not that better is probably available to you at this point

Good lcuk.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2020 1:21 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Weak Security Being Reported

Hi Simon,

Yes we only use secure networks, password is necessary to log-in, and we never 
log into other available networks that are showing.
Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.
- Original Message -
From: Simon A Fogarty
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 3:52 PM
Subject: RE: Weak Security Being Reported

Hi Mike,

Do you know what security type the router / your phones have been set to 
connect with?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2020 12:43 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Weak Security Being Reported

Hi Richard,

Thanks for this and since the modem and router belong to Spectrum I'll call 
them and tell them about this problem.  Hopefully they'll either update the 
firmware or update the equipment.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.
- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Weak Security Being Reported

Mike,You may find this article helpful about checking your router settings 
after finding a weak security message.''https://support.apple.com/en-in/HT202068




Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Nov 18, 2020, at 3:02 PM, Mike B 
mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com>> wrote:

Hi All,

My wife and I both run the new SE 2020 iPhones with iOS 14.2.  This morning 
both our WiFi networks, 2 & 5G, on both phones were getting a, weak security, 
message although both could be connected to either network.

They both were showing 3 bars so, can someone tell us what a, weak security, 
message means?  We've never received such a message at either house and we're 
not sure if this is a Wifi security issue, a password weakness problem or what. 
 All input is greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
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Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

[Arnold Schmidt]

I just talked to Apple Accessibility again, and told them about your 
workaround, Dianne. And I let them know that you came up with it, I didn't want 
the credit. I didn't give them any identifying information about you, except 
your name, and the fact that I read it on the viphone email list, but hey, you 
ought to win something. They agree that it should point them in the right 
direction to fix it in a future update. This list comes through again. 

Arnold Schmidt 


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 20, 2020, at 4:27 PM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:

Thank you 
Arnold, glad I could be of some help.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Nov 20, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> Well,  by god, Dianne, that is a way to fix it! Now, there just has to be a 
> way to turn off image description globally in the way that swiping up turns 
> it off. It is off in settings already, but that swiping up when it is in the 
> rotor does something else. I will write to Apple Accessibility later today 
> and tell them what you figured out. Maybe they will then know how to get 
> turning it off in settings will really turn it off. Thank you very much. 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
> 
> On Nov 20, 2020, at 7:01 AM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:
> 
>   Sorry, but that message went out before I had a chance to fix it. I don’t 
> get annoyed with that nice guy Or whatever, but would prefer not to have it 
> if I could have the option. I put this on  before. The option I found worked 
> is to put describe image In your rotor.  Rotor  has it where you can put it 
> in there and when it’s in there it says if you Flick up or down it’ll say on 
> or off. So if you are in some thing that you do not want that to say, just 
> click it off. You don’t have to go in it, but you just go to where it says 
> off and you will be fine. At least, that is what works for me. Let me know if 
> anyone tries it and good luck.
> 
> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I kind of feel the same way. It’s not like I have to wait until VoiceOver 
>> stops speaking before I can touch or swipe to the next thing, and it is kind 
>> of interesting to know what others are seeing when they look at their phone. 
>> That being said, I get it when people are annoyed by what they consider to 
>> be frivolous chatter, which is why this should be configurable, and at least 
>> in the case of image recognition, Apple’s intent was to make it 
>> configurable. Therefore, if you’re still hearing this text after you’ve 
>> tried to turn off settings like image recognition then it should definitely 
>> be reported to Apple.
>>  
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Gmail
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Angie 
>> Nutt
>> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:09 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>>  
>> I don’t find it intrusive either; if anything it’s fascinating. I wonder 
>> whether it’s trying to recognise the icons on whatever screen I’m on.
>>  
>> All the best
>> Angie
>> 
>> 
>> On 18 Nov 2020, at 22:26, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>>  
>> I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it.
>> I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I
>> have an iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since
>> it is not what I'm listening for and extra information. Plus, it does
>> not seem that intrusive to me, just a short blurb added onto whatever
>> I'm doing. I can see how it would get annoying though.
>> 
>> Be well,
>> Wayne Merritt
>> 
>> On 11/18/20, Deb Cook Lewis  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah I’m following up on this. All the theories are kind of blown for the
>> older phones.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:22 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Deb, I was hoping I had saved this message so that I could reply to it. If
>> you haven't already done so, I would urge you, and anybody else running 14.2
>> on an older phone,   to contact Apple Accessibility, being that you have
>> experienced these  extra descriptions  on a phone that does not have the
>> image description stuff. It may be something about 14.2, and the image
>> feature, in reality, is not the problem. It will be interesting to know just
>> what it is.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis >  > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition
>> mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.
>> 
>> Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll
>> probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 

Re: hi ll is there a list for apple watch users?

[Jennie Facer]

Hi Richard,

I own the watch users group. It is not very active right now, but that doesn’t 
mean it couldn’t be. I hope you will subscribe and generate some discussion!

Jenn

Jenn and Kumi

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Mary 
Otten 
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 2:15:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: hi ll is there a list for apple watch users?

No, the list is not very active. I think the list owner is on this list if I’m 
not mistaken.


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 20, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:



Mary,

Is that list very active?







Richard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 12:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: hi ll is there a list for apple watch users?



watchosblindusersgroup+subscr...@groups.io



Sent from my iPhone



On Nov 20, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Mich Verrier 
mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca>> wrote:



Hi all erlier today when going through my e mails I thought I saw some one say 
that there is a list for apple watch users? And if so can I please have the 
subscription address for that? it was something like apple watch simple or 
something like that if I remember. Many thanks. From Mich.

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Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

[Diane Giannetti]

Thank you 
Arnold, glad I could be of some help.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Nov 20, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> Well,  by god, Dianne, that is a way to fix it! Now, there just has to be a 
> way to turn off image description globally in the way that swiping up turns 
> it off. It is off in settings already, but that swiping up when it is in the 
> rotor does something else. I will write to Apple Accessibility later today 
> and tell them what you figured out. Maybe they will then know how to get 
> turning it off in settings will really turn it off. Thank you very much. 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
> 
> On Nov 20, 2020, at 7:01 AM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:
> 
>   Sorry, but that message went out before I had a chance to fix it. I don’t 
> get annoyed with that nice guy Or whatever, but would prefer not to have it 
> if I could have the option. I put this on  before. The option I found worked 
> is to put describe image In your rotor.  Rotor  has it where you can put it 
> in there and when it’s in there it says if you Flick up or down it’ll say on 
> or off. So if you are in some thing that you do not want that to say, just 
> click it off. You don’t have to go in it, but you just go to where it says 
> off and you will be fine. At least, that is what works for me. Let me know if 
> anyone tries it and good luck.
> 
> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> I kind of feel the same way. It’s not like I have to wait until VoiceOver 
>> stops speaking before I can touch or swipe to the next thing, and it is kind 
>> of interesting to know what others are seeing when they look at their phone. 
>> That being said, I get it when people are annoyed by what they consider to 
>> be frivolous chatter, which is why this should be configurable, and at least 
>> in the case of image recognition, Apple’s intent was to make it 
>> configurable. Therefore, if you’re still hearing this text after you’ve 
>> tried to turn off settings like image recognition then it should definitely 
>> be reported to Apple.
>>  
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Gmail
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Angie 
>> Nutt
>> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:09 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>>  
>> I don’t find it intrusive either; if anything it’s fascinating. I wonder 
>> whether it’s trying to recognise the icons on whatever screen I’m on.
>>  
>> All the best
>> Angie
>> 
>> 
>> On 18 Nov 2020, at 22:26, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>>  
>> I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it.
>> I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I
>> have an iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since
>> it is not what I'm listening for and extra information. Plus, it does
>> not seem that intrusive to me, just a short blurb added onto whatever
>> I'm doing. I can see how it would get annoying though.
>> 
>> Be well,
>> Wayne Merritt
>> 
>> On 11/18/20, Deb Cook Lewis  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah I’m following up on this. All the theories are kind of blown for the
>> older phones.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:22 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Deb, I was hoping I had saved this message so that I could reply to it. If
>> you haven't already done so, I would urge you, and anybody else running 14.2
>> on an older phone,   to contact Apple Accessibility, being that you have
>> experienced these  extra descriptions  on a phone that does not have the
>> image description stuff. It may be something about 14.2, and the image
>> feature, in reality, is not the problem. It will be interesting to know just
>> what it is.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis >  > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition
>> mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.
>> 
>> Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll
>> probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it
>> might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the
>> screen and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was
>> trying to describe an image 

Re: hi ll is there a list for apple watch users?

[Mary Otten]

No, the list is not very active. I think the list owner is on this list if I’m 
not mistaken.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Mary,
> Is that list very active?
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
> flying.
> There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in 
> learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
> --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>  
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
>  
> *I’m not the card shark
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 12:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: hi ll is there a list for apple watch users?
>  
> watchosblindusersgroup+subscr...@groups.io
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Nov 20, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Mich Verrier  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi all erlier today when going through my e mails I thought I saw some one 
> say that there is a list for apple watch users? And if so can I please have 
> the subscription address for that? it was something like apple watch simple 
> or something like that if I remember. Many thanks. From Mich.
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RE: hi ll is there a list for apple watch users?

[Richard Turner]

Mary,
Is that list very active?



Richard
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
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Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 12:50 PM
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On Nov 20, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Mich Verrier 
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Hi all erlier today when going through my e mails I thought I saw some one say 
that there is a list for apple watch users? And if so can I please have the 
subscription address for that? it was something like apple watch simple or 
something like that if I remember. Many thanks. From Mich.
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Re: hi ll is there a list for apple watch users?

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> On Nov 20, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Mich Verrier  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi all erlier today when going through my e mails I thought I saw some one 
> say that there is a list for apple watch users? And if so can I please have 
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RE: hi ll is there a list for apple watch users?

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The group is fairly new but we have high hopes for it’s growth. Our other two 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 3:32 PM
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Subject: hi ll is there a list for apple watch users?

Hi all erlier today when going through my e mails I thought I saw some one say 
that there is a list for apple watch users? And if so can I please have the 
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hi ll is there a list for apple watch users?

[Mich Verrier]

Hi all erlier today when going through my e mails I thought I saw some one
say that there is a list for apple watch users? And if so can I please have
the subscription address for that? it was something like apple watch simple
or something like that if I remember. Many thanks. From Mich.

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Re: Question about editing notes.

[dani pagador]

Hi, Carolyn.
Here's something from probably Applevis on editing with VO. It gives
good info, and I hope it helps you. I am still learning how to use VO
to edit checklists in Notes--I can make the list and check stuff off
as things get done, but have trouble adding things to the list if I
need to.

HTH,
Dani


  "Tips on editing text using the onscreen keyboard for the iPhone,
iPod Touch or iPad and VoiceOver.

Cursor movement can be confusing,but here’s what you need to remember:

1) Practice on Notes. Don’t get frustrated trying to edit something
important. Write some junk in the Notes app you can fool with.
Practice the rotor under the VoiceOver practice. Don’t use it until
you can easily rotor left or right first.

2) Remember that flicking left and right moves to the previous or next
element onscreen. It’s never used to cursor in an edit field, because
that field is considered all one element.

3) Rotor to characters to start cursor movement. Then flick left or
right to get yourself in the edit field. Double-tap if it is necessary
to activate it. You know it is activated if VO says “editing”.

4) Flick up or down to move left or right in an edit field. Up is
left, down is right. Flicking right or left will take you out of the
field!

5) Double-tap to toggle going to the very start or the very end of the
edit field.

6) When you flick up, you move the cursor left. It’s like using arrow
keys in a word processor; you are always positioned LEFT of the
character read out loud. Flick left to insert text before a character.

7) When you flick down, you are moving the cursor right. But this is
different from a word processor. Instead of being placed before the
character that is voiced, you are always placed AFTER that character.
That’s why it seems so confusing. The delete acts like a backspace, it
deletes to the left of the cursor. There is no single gesture to
delete to the right.

8) To delete a character to the right of the cursor, flick until you
hear the character you want to delete. Then flick left to be on the
previous character, and flick right again so you are again AFTER the
character to zap. Remember, you can’t directly remove anything to the
right of the cursor! You need to have your cursor positioned after the
character and not before to delete it.

9) Deleting to the left of the cursor is easy. Just double-tap until
VO says you are at the end of the field. Then flick up until you hear
the character to delete. Then find and type delete.

10) Did I mention that you need to practice this! Don’t forget or
you’ll just get frustrated!"



On 11/5/20, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> Navigate to the note you want to edit, then double tap any word to bring up
> the keyboard for editing.
>
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>> On Nov 5, 2020, at 8:10 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
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>> How do you edit notes?
>>
>> I'm just trying how to make them work for me.
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RE: Saving attachments on the phone?

[anthonyborg001]

Thanks for the info.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Johnna 
Simmons
Sent: 20 November 2020 11:30
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Saving attachments on the phone?

I think the best way to do this is to double tap on the attachment and with it 
open go to the share button and double tap that and it will give you options as 
to where you share it depending on the apps that you have on your phone. These 
apps may include voice dream reader PDF viewer any of those that you can save 
it to

Johnna Simmons

> On Nov 19, 2020, at 11:06 PM, Lelia Struve  wrote:
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> Hi, all, I am wondering how to save an email attachment on the iPhone. Or if 
> it can be done. Thanks for any help 
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> Lelia 
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Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

[Arnold Schmidt]

Well,  by god, Dianne, that is a way to fix it! Now, there just has to be a way 
to turn off image description globally in the way that swiping up turns it off. 
It is off in settings already, but that swiping up when it is in the rotor does 
something else. I will write to Apple Accessibility later today and tell them 
what you figured out. Maybe they will then know how to get turning it off in 
settings will really turn it off. Thank you very much. 
Arnold Schmidt 


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 20, 2020, at 7:01 AM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:

  Sorry, but that message went out before I had a chance to fix it. I don’t 
get annoyed with that nice guy Or whatever, but would prefer not to have it if 
I could have the option. I put this on  before. The option I found worked is to 
put describe image In your rotor.  Rotor  has it where you can put it in there 
and when it’s in there it says if you Flick up or down it’ll say on or off. So 
if you are in some thing that you do not want that to say, just click it off. 
You don’t have to go in it, but you just go to where it says off and you will 
be fine. At least, that is what works for me. Let me know if anyone tries it 
and good luck.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Nov 20, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> 
> I kind of feel the same way. It’s not like I have to wait until VoiceOver 
> stops speaking before I can touch or swipe to the next thing, and it is kind 
> of interesting to know what others are seeing when they look at their phone. 
> That being said, I get it when people are annoyed by what they consider to be 
> frivolous chatter, which is why this should be configurable, and at least in 
> the case of image recognition, Apple’s intent was to make it configurable. 
> Therefore, if you’re still hearing this text after you’ve tried to turn off 
> settings like image recognition then it should definitely be reported to 
> Apple.
>  
> --
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>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Angie 
> Nutt
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:09 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>  
> I don’t find it intrusive either; if anything it’s fascinating. I wonder 
> whether it’s trying to recognise the icons on whatever screen I’m on.
>  
> All the best
> Angie
> 
> 
> On 18 Nov 2020, at 22:26, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>  
> I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it.
> I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I
> have an iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since
> it is not what I'm listening for and extra information. Plus, it does
> not seem that intrusive to me, just a short blurb added onto whatever
> I'm doing. I can see how it would get annoying though.
> 
> Be well,
> Wayne Merritt
> 
> On 11/18/20, Deb Cook Lewis  wrote:
> 
> Yeah I’m following up on this. All the theories are kind of blown for the
> older phones.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
> 
> 
> 
> Deb, I was hoping I had saved this message so that I could reply to it. If
> you haven't already done so, I would urge you, and anybody else running 14.2
> on an older phone,   to contact Apple Accessibility, being that you have
> experienced these  extra descriptions  on a phone that does not have the
> image description stuff. It may be something about 14.2, and the image
> feature, in reality, is not the problem. It will be interesting to know just
> what it is.
> 
> 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
> 
> 
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis   > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition
> mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.
> 
> Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll
> probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
> 
> 
> 
> I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it
> might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the
> screen and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was
> trying to describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition
> gave a better description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were,
> didn't turn it completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it,
> being that he was able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will
> allegedly get back to me on Thursday, 

Re: Which bank mobile app is most accessible

[Donna Casteen]

Wells Fargo app & website are accessible. Before covid, Wells Fargo had an 
accessibility team. Not sure if that is the case now, being a lot of businesses 
have cut back on their number of  employees.

Donna

Hello everyone. The bank that my business currently banks that does not have a 
good online interface. Does anyone know of a bank that has a very accessible 
mobile application for iOS, accessible with voiceover? Chase, Bank one, fifth 
third, etc. etc. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you
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Re: Recommendation for An Apple Compatible Bluetooth Keyboard?

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

Great - I’m ordering now!

> On 20 Nov 2020, at 16:17, Holly  wrote:
> 
> 
> Harry:
>  
> I use bump dots to mark keys on my keyboard, as well as many other things. 
>  
> Here is a link to an assortment of them on Amazon.
>  
> https://www.amazon.com/Bump-Dots-Visually-Impaired-Assortment/dp/B07HCPR6K2
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Re: Recommendation for An Apple Compatible Bluetooth Keyboard?

[Holly]

Harry:

I use bump dots to mark keys on my keyboard, as well as many other things.  

Here is a link to an assortment of them on Amazon.

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Re: accessibility of disney plus

[Wayne Merritt]

I haven't found an easy way to restart a movie or show in Disney Plus.
The best way, which is tedious, when in the now playing screen locate
the picker adjustment control for the time elapsed. Then flick up or
down to move forward or backward. It can get tedious since once I
flick up, the picker disappears and the only way to get it back is to
go out of the app and back in. You don't need to close the app. This
has happened to me when trying to get to the end of a movie, or when
in the credits for a movie. Hopes someone else finds a better way
though.

Be well,
Wayne Merritt

On 11/19/20, Richard Turner  wrote:
> I would think your watch list would show up if you are logged in with the
> same account.
> I tworks on my iPHone and our Samsung Smart TV.
>
> I've not needed to start a movie over, so hopefully someone can address
> that.
>
>
>
> Richard
> "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of
> flying.
> There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in
> learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
> --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
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> *I’m not the card shark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Barbara Stahl
> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 4:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: accessibility of disney plus
>
> Speaking of the watch list, if you create one using the app can you access
> this list on other platforms such as the computer or on Rocu?  I have loaded
> up my watch list in the iphone app, but cannot seem to find this list on the
> Rocu.
> Also, is there a way to easily restart a movie?
>
>> On Nov 17, 2020, at 4:34 AM, Joshua Hendrickson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I really like Disney plus.  It is pretty easy to go through the
>> different sections and choose a show to watch.  I've got loads of
>> stuff in my watch list.  I had Disney plus at one time, then decided
>> to unsubscribe from it.  When I decided to get it back again,
>> everything was like I had never unsubscribed.  I don't know if I even
>> had to log back in.  All my movies and the audio description feature
>> were still in place.  Very cool.
>>
>>> On 11/17/20, martinnelso...@gmail.com  wrote:
>>> Thank you; this has been very helpful.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>>> Of Wayne Merritt
>>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 10:06 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: accessibility of disney plus
>>>
>>> Hello. I find Disney Plus very accessible on the iPhone. When playing
>>> a movie or show, pause it with a 2 finger double tap. Then, flick or
>>> swipe to the right until you find the audio and subtitles menu, double
>>> tap on this.
>>> Once this screen appears, flick through the options until you find
>>> English audio description, or it may say English AD. Double tap on
>>> this to turn on audio description. Another option to do this is to
>>> use the Aira service, have them log-in to your account and do the
>>> switch on their end. The great thing about Disney Plus is once you
>>> set it on one platform, your preferences are retained on all
>>> operating systems. To view a list of all described titles on Disney Plus,
>>> visit:
>>> https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.
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>>>
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>>>
 On 11/16/20, martinnelso...@gmail.com  wrote:
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 to access the menus to change language and to turn on audible
 description very daunting. With Jaws on the computer it seems
 inaccessible. On the I phone with great effort I am able to find
 these menus. I am wondering what experiences other users have had.

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Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

[Diane Giannetti]

  Sorry, but that message went out before I had a chance to fix it. I don’t get 
annoyed with that nice guy Or whatever, but would prefer not to have it if I 
could have the option. I put this on  before. The option I found worked is to 
put describe image In your rotor.  Rotor  has it where you can put it in there 
and when it’s in there it says if you Flick up or down it’ll say on or off. So 
if you are in some thing that you do not want that to say, just click it off. 
You don’t have to go in it, but you just go to where it says off and you will 
be fine. At least, that is what works for me. Let me know if anyone tries it 
and good luck.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Nov 20, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> 
> I kind of feel the same way. It’s not like I have to wait until VoiceOver 
> stops speaking before I can touch or swipe to the next thing, and it is kind 
> of interesting to know what others are seeing when they look at their phone. 
> That being said, I get it when people are annoyed by what they consider to be 
> frivolous chatter, which is why this should be configurable, and at least in 
> the case of image recognition, Apple’s intent was to make it configurable. 
> Therefore, if you’re still hearing this text after you’ve tried to turn off 
> settings like image recognition then it should definitely be reported to 
> Apple.
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Angie 
> Nutt
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:09 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>  
> I don’t find it intrusive either; if anything it’s fascinating. I wonder 
> whether it’s trying to recognise the icons on whatever screen I’m on.
>  
> All the best
> Angie
> 
> 
> On 18 Nov 2020, at 22:26, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>  
> I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it.
> I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I
> have an iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since
> it is not what I'm listening for and extra information. Plus, it does
> not seem that intrusive to me, just a short blurb added onto whatever
> I'm doing. I can see how it would get annoying though.
> 
> Be well,
> Wayne Merritt
> 
> On 11/18/20, Deb Cook Lewis  wrote:
> 
> Yeah I’m following up on this. All the theories are kind of blown for the
> older phones.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
> 
> 
> 
> Deb, I was hoping I had saved this message so that I could reply to it. If
> you haven't already done so, I would urge you, and anybody else running 14.2
> on an older phone,   to contact Apple Accessibility, being that you have
> experienced these  extra descriptions  on a phone that does not have the
> image description stuff. It may be something about 14.2, and the image
> feature, in reality, is not the problem. It will be interesting to know just
> what it is.
> 
> 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
> 
> 
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis   > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition
> mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.
> 
> Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll
> probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
> 
> 
> 
> I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it
> might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the
> screen and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was
> trying to describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition
> gave a better description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were,
> didn't turn it completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it,
> being that he was able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will
> allegedly get back to me on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others
> who are experiencing this should report it to them, being that  the more
> complaints they have about a given issue might make it seem more important.
> 
> 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
> 
> 
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain   > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out Settings
> -> Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> 
> Chaltain at 

Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

[Diane Giannetti]

I didn’t get annoyed With it to have it say the images but I would prefer it 
not especially when I’m in the middle of a game. I put the sun before and don’t 
know if anyone tried it or not, but, what I did was to put describe images on 
my rotor end it will either say on or off when you’re in a

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Nov 20, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> 
> I kind of feel the same way. It’s not like I have to wait until VoiceOver 
> stops speaking before I can touch or swipe to the next thing, and it is kind 
> of interesting to know what others are seeing when they look at their phone. 
> That being said, I get it when people are annoyed by what they consider to be 
> frivolous chatter, which is why this should be configurable, and at least in 
> the case of image recognition, Apple’s intent was to make it configurable. 
> Therefore, if you’re still hearing this text after you’ve tried to turn off 
> settings like image recognition then it should definitely be reported to 
> Apple.
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Angie 
> Nutt
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:09 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>  
> I don’t find it intrusive either; if anything it’s fascinating. I wonder 
> whether it’s trying to recognise the icons on whatever screen I’m on.
>  
> All the best
> Angie
> 
> 
> On 18 Nov 2020, at 22:26, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>  
> I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it.
> I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I
> have an iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since
> it is not what I'm listening for and extra information. Plus, it does
> not seem that intrusive to me, just a short blurb added onto whatever
> I'm doing. I can see how it would get annoying though.
> 
> Be well,
> Wayne Merritt
> 
> On 11/18/20, Deb Cook Lewis  wrote:
> 
> Yeah I’m following up on this. All the theories are kind of blown for the
> older phones.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
> 
> 
> 
> Deb, I was hoping I had saved this message so that I could reply to it. If
> you haven't already done so, I would urge you, and anybody else running 14.2
> on an older phone,   to contact Apple Accessibility, being that you have
> experienced these  extra descriptions  on a phone that does not have the
> image description stuff. It may be something about 14.2, and the image
> feature, in reality, is not the problem. It will be interesting to know just
> what it is.
> 
> 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
> 
> 
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis   > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition
> mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.
> 
> Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll
> probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
> 
> 
> 
> I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it
> might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the
> screen and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was
> trying to describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition
> gave a better description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were,
> didn't turn it completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it,
> being that he was able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will
> allegedly get back to me on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others
> who are experiencing this should report it to them, being that  the more
> complaints they have about a given issue might make it seem more important.
> 
> 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
> 
> 
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain   > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out Settings
> -> Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> 
> Chaltain at Gmail
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
> 
> 
> 
> I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if 

RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

[Christopher Chaltain]

I kind of feel the same way. It’s not like I have to wait until VoiceOver stops 
speaking before I can touch or swipe to the next thing, and it is kind of 
interesting to know what others are seeing when they look at their phone. That 
being said, I get it when people are annoyed by what they consider to be 
frivolous chatter, which is why this should be configurable, and at least in 
the case of image recognition, Apple’s intent was to make it configurable. 
Therefore, if you’re still hearing this text after you’ve tried to turn off 
settings like image recognition then it should definitely be reported to Apple.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Angie 
Nutt
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

I don’t find it intrusive either; if anything it’s fascinating. I wonder 
whether it’s trying to recognise the icons on whatever screen I’m on.

 

All the best

Angie





On 18 Nov 2020, at 22:26, Wayne Merritt mailto:wcmerr...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it.
I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I
have an iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since
it is not what I'm listening for and extra information. Plus, it does
not seem that intrusive to me, just a short blurb added onto whatever
I'm doing. I can see how it would get annoying though.

Be well,
Wayne Merritt

On 11/18/20, Deb Cook Lewis <  
deblewi...@gmail.com> wrote:



Yeah I’m following up on this. All the theories are kind of blown for the
older phones.





From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
 On Behalf Of
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky



Deb, I was hoping I had saved this message so that I could reply to it. If
you haven't already done so, I would urge you, and anybody else running 14.2
on an older phone,   to contact Apple Accessibility, being that you have
experienced these  extra descriptions  on a phone that does not have the
image description stuff. It may be something about 14.2, and the image
feature, in reality, is not the problem. It will be interesting to know just
what it is.



Arnold Schmidt



Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20


On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com> 
 > wrote:



Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition
mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.

Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll
probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.





From: viphone@googlegroups.com  

mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
 > On Behalf Of
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky



I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it
might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the
screen and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was
trying to describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition
gave a better description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were,
didn't turn it completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it,
being that he was able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will
allegedly get back to me on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others
who are experiencing this should report it to them, being that  the more
complaints they have about a given issue might make it seem more important.



Arnold Schmidt



Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20


On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> 
 > wrote:



Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out Settings
-> Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.



--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  

mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
 > On Behalf Of
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky



I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is attempting to
describe an image. Besides night sky which seems to be its favorite, it has
told me such things as adult, moon, document, sunglasses, and baseball hat.
I have everything that remotely might be related to images, 

Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

[Angie Nutt]

I don’t find it intrusive either; if anything it’s fascinating. I wonder 
whether it’s trying to recognise the icons on whatever screen I’m on.

All the best
Angie

> On 18 Nov 2020, at 22:26, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> 
> I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it.
> I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I
> have an iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since
> it is not what I'm listening for and extra information. Plus, it does
> not seem that intrusive to me, just a short blurb added onto whatever
> I'm doing. I can see how it would get annoying though.
> 
> Be well,
> Wayne Merritt
> 
> On 11/18/20, Deb Cook Lewis  > wrote:
>> Yeah I’m following up on this. All the theories are kind of blown for the
>> older phones.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:22 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Deb, I was hoping I had saved this message so that I could reply to it. If
>> you haven't already done so, I would urge you, and anybody else running 14.2
>> on an older phone,   to contact Apple Accessibility, being that you have
>> experienced these  extra descriptions  on a phone that does not have the
>> image description stuff. It may be something about 14.2, and the image
>> feature, in reality, is not the problem. It will be interesting to know just
>> what it is.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis > > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition
>> mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.
>> 
>> Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll
>> probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> > >
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>> > > On 
>> Behalf Of
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> > >
>> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it
>> might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the
>> screen and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was
>> trying to describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition
>> gave a better description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were,
>> didn't turn it completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it,
>> being that he was able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will
>> allegedly get back to me on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others
>> who are experiencing this should report it to them, being that  the more
>> complaints they have about a given issue might make it seem more important.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain > 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out Settings
>> -> Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> 
>> Chaltain at Gmail
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> > >
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>> > > On 
>> Behalf Of
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:57 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> > >
>> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is attempting to
>> describe an image. Besides night sky which seems to be its favorite, it has
>> told me such things as adult, moon, document, sunglasses, and baseball hat.
>> I have everything that remotely might be related to images, emojis, speak
>> screen, etc turned off, and it still occurs. This is on an SE 20, running
>> 14.2. I wonder if it is only happening on the SE 20 phones? I have tried
>> twice today to get in touch with Apple Accessibility, waiting long periods
>> both times before disconnecting, nobody answered. I will keep trying.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 

Re: Saving attachments on the phone?

[Johnna Simmons]

I think the best way to do this is to double tap on the attachment and with it 
open go to the share button and double tap that and it will give you options as 
to where you share it depending on the apps that you have on your phone. These 
apps may include voice dream reader PDF viewer any of those that you can save 
it to

Johnna Simmons

> On Nov 19, 2020, at 11:06 PM, Lelia Struve  wrote:
> 
> Hi, all, I am wondering how to save an email attachment on the iPhone. Or if 
> it can be done. Thanks for any help 
> 
> Lelia 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Recommendation for An Apple Compatible Bluetooth Keyboard?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

All  keyboards have, had, should have   a small tactile mark on F and J as 
position markers.  This was the case since the year 
Dot,  so stopping it  now could reasonably be construed as discriminatory.

RobH.


- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: Recommendation for An Apple Compatible Bluetooth Keyboard?


How do you locate which keys your fingers are on - i used to see enough to just 
make out letters but now on my magic keyboard 
everything looks like a blank sheet of paper and i get lost
thanks
harry

> On 19 Nov 2020, at 22:09, Holly  wrote:
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> Apple Magic Blue Tooth keyboard.  I love mine.
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Re: Recommendation for An Apple Compatible Bluetooth Keyboard?

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

How do you locate which keys your fingers are on - i used to see enough to just 
make out letters but now on my magic keyboard everything looks like a blank 
sheet of paper and i get lost
thanks
harry 

> On 19 Nov 2020, at 22:09, Holly  wrote:
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> Apple Magic Blue Tooth keyboard.  I love mine.
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