Arnold, thank you very much. That was very nice of you. Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
> On Nov 20, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Arnold Schmidt <[email protected]> wrote: > > I just talked to Apple Accessibility again, and told them about your > workaround, Dianne. And I let them know that you came up with it, I didn't > want the credit. I didn't give them any identifying information about you, > except your name, and the fact that I read it on the viphone email list, but > hey, you ought to win something. They agree that it should point them in the > right direction to fix it in a future update. This list comes through again. > > Arnold Schmidt > > > Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 20 > > On Nov 20, 2020, at 4:27 PM, Diane Giannetti <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thank you > Arnold, glad I could be of some help. > > Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone! > >>> On Nov 20, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Arnold Schmidt <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> Well, by god, Dianne, that is a way to fix it! Now, there just has to be a >> way to turn off image description globally in the way that swiping up turns >> it off. It is off in settings already, but that swiping up when it is in the >> rotor does something else. I will write to Apple Accessibility later today >> and tell them what you figured out. Maybe they will then know how to get >> turning it off in settings will really turn it off. Thank you very much. >> Arnold Schmidt >> >> >> Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 20 >> >> On Nov 20, 2020, at 7:01 AM, Diane Giannetti <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Sorry, but that message went out before I had a chance to fix it. I don’t >> get annoyed with that nice guy Or whatever, but would prefer not to have it >> if I could have the option. I put this on before. The option I found worked >> is to put describe image In your rotor. Rotor has it where you can put it >> in there and when it’s in there it says if you Flick up or down it’ll say on >> or off. So if you are in some thing that you do not want that to say, just >> click it off. You don’t have to go in it, but you just go to where it says >> off and you will be fine. At least, that is what works for me. Let me know >> if anyone tries it and good luck. >> >> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone! >> >>>> On Nov 20, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>> I kind of feel the same way. It’s not like I have to wait until VoiceOver >>> stops speaking before I can touch or swipe to the next thing, and it is >>> kind of interesting to know what others are seeing when they look at their >>> phone. That being said, I get it when people are annoyed by what they >>> consider to be frivolous chatter, which is why this should be configurable, >>> and at least in the case of image recognition, Apple’s intent was to make >>> it configurable. Therefore, if you’re still hearing this text after you’ve >>> tried to turn off settings like image recognition then it should definitely >>> be reported to Apple. >>> >>> -- >>> Christopher (AKA CJ) >>> Chaltain at Gmail >>> >>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of >>> Angie Nutt >>> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:09 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky >>> >>> I don’t find it intrusive either; if anything it’s fascinating. I wonder >>> whether it’s trying to recognise the icons on whatever screen I’m on. >>> >>> All the best >>> Angie >>> >>> >>> On 18 Nov 2020, at 22:26, Wayne Merritt <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it. >>> I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I >>> have an iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since >>> it is not what I'm listening for and extra information. Plus, it does >>> not seem that intrusive to me, just a short blurb added onto whatever >>> I'm doing. I can see how it would get annoying though. >>> >>> Be well, >>> Wayne Merritt >>> >>> On 11/18/20, Deb Cook Lewis <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Yeah I’m following up on this. All the theories are kind of blown for the >>> older phones. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of >>> Arnold Schmidt >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:22 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky >>> >>> >>> >>> Deb, I was hoping I had saved this message so that I could reply to it. If >>> you haven't already done so, I would urge you, and anybody else running 14.2 >>> on an older phone, to contact Apple Accessibility, being that you have >>> experienced these extra descriptions on a phone that does not have the >>> image description stuff. It may be something about 14.2, and the image >>> feature, in reality, is not the problem. It will be interesting to know just >>> what it is. >>> >>> >>> >>> Arnold Schmidt >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 20 >>> >>> >>> On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition >>> mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2. >>> >>> Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll >>> probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of >>> Arnold Schmidt >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM >>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky >>> >>> >>> >>> I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it >>> might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the >>> screen and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was >>> trying to describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition >>> gave a better description of the image, but turning it off, as it were, >>> didn't turn it completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it, >>> being that he was able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will >>> allegedly get back to me on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others >>> who are experiencing this should report it to them, being that the more >>> complaints they have about a given issue might make it seem more important. >>> >>> >>> >>> Arnold Schmidt >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 20 >>> >>> >>> On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out Settings >>> -> Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Christopher (AKA CJ) >>> >>> Chaltain at Gmail >>> >>> >>> >>> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of >>> Arnold Schmidt >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:57 PM >>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky >>> >>> >>> >>> I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is attempting to >>> describe an image. Besides night sky which seems to be its favorite, it has >>> told me such things as adult, moon, document, sunglasses, and baseball hat. >>> I have everything that remotely might be related to images, emojis, speak >>> screen, etc turned off, and it still occurs. This is on an SE 20, running >>> 14.2. I wonder if it is only happening on the SE 20 phones? I have tried >>> twice today to get in touch with Apple Accessibility, waiting long periods >>> both times before disconnecting, nobody answered. I will keep trying. >>> >>> >>> >>> Arnold Schmidt >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 20 >>> >>> >>> On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Viola Bentson <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I do too and it’s irritating hope someone can tell me how to turn it off. >>> >>> >>> >>> Viola >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of >>> Reg Sullivan >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:08 AM >>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky >>> >>> >>> >>> I’m seeing this in other places as well and have no idea what it means? >>> >>> “night sky” >>> >>> >>> >>> Anyone out there know what it represents? >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards…..Reg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Noe Villeda >>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:06 PM >>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> Subject: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello Listers, >>> >>> >>> >>> What is the night sky that always shows up when I have my iPhone locked? >>> >>> >>> >>> Also, is there a way to take it out of the screen, so it doesn’t show along >>> with flashlight and battery usage? >>> >>> >>> >>> Noe >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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