Accessibility of Home Connect America App

[Debby]

Hi,

I am considering purchasing a Bosch washer and dryer, however, for a lot of the 
settings it has a touch screen. It can be used with wifi and the app is called 
Home Connect America. In the app you can try out a demo appliance, and it seems 
to be accessible. Does anyone use the app, and in real life is it accessible?

Thanks for your help!

Take care and stay safe!

Debby
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Accessibility of Echelon Fit App

[Jen Barrow]

Hi, All,

Does anyone have experience with the voiceover accessibility of the Echelon
app? I'm considering buying an Echelon smart connect bike, but I want to
make sure metrics like speed, resistance, etc are easily readable in the app
during a ride when my phone is paired with the machine. I downloaded the app
to test it, but I can't do much exploring without actually pairing a bike.
Thanks for any thoughts you can share!

-Jen 

 

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How to get more columns to appear at one time with Google Sheets for iPhone

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Hello list,

So I have a Google Sheets spreadsheet for my company where my subcontractors
invoice after services provided. They submit their bill via Google Forms and
the spreadsheet populates with their data automatically.

While I can navigate a bunch of rows before having to do a three finger
flick up or down, I’m currently only limited to three columns and thus have
to do a lot of three finger flicking left or right if I want to access all
the information on a particular row. My form is so that when the data
populates into the spreadsheet, it goes from column A to column K.

Is there in fact a way to have more columns appear on the iPhone screen at
one time? This is with an iPhone XR, so screen real estate shouldn’t be an
issue.

Thanks in advance,

Cristóbal

 

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RE: Are bard mobile download books saved in an iPhone back up?

[Star Gazer]

When I did the Iphone to Iphone transfer, none of my 
bard books got transferred. 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Kelly Pierce
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 10:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Are bard mobile download books saved in an iPhone back up?

Instead of installing an iCloud backup, he should consider an iPhone
to iPhone transfer when upgrading iPhones. A Wi-Fi connection is
needed for this. It supposedly transfers all data and apps to the new
device, including files and music that is not backed up to iCloud.  If
it supposedly transfers everything, BARD Mobile books may also be
transferred. It is worth a try because we know BARD books are not yet
backed up to iCloud.

Kelly




On 7/19/21, regina alvarado  wrote:
> I think this may be a question that’s a little off the subject, but since we
> are talking about books it used to be that when you started reading books on
> an iPhone if you went to an iPad and opened the books app it would go to the
> place that you were reading on your iPhone. This seems to be no longer the
> case. It’s sinking again I think. What settings on each device do I need to
> turn on or off to make it go back to doing what it used to do? Remember, I
> am a medium user so I need direct instructions. Thank you so much. This was
> something that was really nice to be able to hand off books to another
> device if one device needed to be charged or something. Of course, I know
> you can use the I Devices on a cord, but sometimes you just want to read it
> from somewhere else. Thanks again for any help anyone can give me.
>
> Reggie Alvarado
>
> On Jul 19, 2021, at 7:10 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>
> My previous downloads tab on bard mobile doesn't work correctly.  Im
> always missing one book I recently downloaded'  Since the previous
> downloads tab on bard mobile doesn't work for me, I won't be using it.
> I delete books I download from bard from my iPhone as well, but its
> just I've got almost 1500 books downloaded to my iPhone.  It will take
> a while before deleted bard books adds up to any free space on my
> iPhone 8.  I probably won't be able to download IOS 15 when it comes
> out later this year since I've got so little space on my 256 gig
> iPhone 8.  I should have gone for an iPhone 11 with 512 gigs of
> internal memory.  I can't wait for a one terabyte iPhone, that will
> really be something.
>
> On 7/18/21, R Van Lant  wrote:
>> Once I read a book on BARD, I delete it, so I don't have many on my phone
>> at
>> a given time, but when I had to reset my phone and lost all the BARD
>> downloads, I used the Recent Downloads option in the Find Books tab to
>> more
>> easily find and redownload the books I wanted to put on my phone.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Mary
>> Otten
>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 5:20 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Are bard mobile download books saved in an iPhone back up?
>>
>> If you back up your iPhone to iCloud and then get a new iPhone and
>> restore
>> from iCloud, will all of your saved barred mobile books transfer over?
>> I’m
>> actually asking for a friend who is having serious problems with his
>> phone
>> and not being able to see any of his bard books. He was thinking about
>> getting a new phone.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Are bard mobile download books saved in an iPhone back up?

[Alan Lemly]

Kelly,

As Arnold posted, BARD Mobile is currently unable to transfer content from an 
older to a newer iDevice regardless of the backup type or transfer method used. 
BARD's  conversion to the cloud will enable this at some point in the future 
but when that will be is not yet known. It is a good idea when planning to get 
a new iDevice to make note of the BARD Mobile books on your old device as well 
as your reading position in those books before moving to the new device.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 9:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Are bard mobile download books saved in an iPhone back up?

Instead of installing an iCloud backup, he should consider an iPhone to iPhone 
transfer when upgrading iPhones. A Wi-Fi connection is needed for this. It 
supposedly transfers all data and apps to the new device, including files and 
music that is not backed up to iCloud.  If it supposedly transfers everything, 
BARD Mobile books may also be transferred. It is worth a try because we know 
BARD books are not yet backed up to iCloud.

Kelly




On 7/19/21, regina alvarado  wrote:
> I think this may be a question that’s a little off the subject, but 
> since we are talking about books it used to be that when you started 
> reading books on an iPhone if you went to an iPad and opened the books 
> app it would go to the place that you were reading on your iPhone. 
> This seems to be no longer the case. It’s sinking again I think. What 
> settings on each device do I need to turn on or off to make it go back 
> to doing what it used to do? Remember, I am a medium user so I need 
> direct instructions. Thank you so much. This was something that was 
> really nice to be able to hand off books to another device if one 
> device needed to be charged or something. Of course, I know you can 
> use the I Devices on a cord, but sometimes you just want to read it from 
> somewhere else. Thanks again for any help anyone can give me.
>
> Reggie Alvarado
>
> On Jul 19, 2021, at 7:10 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>
> My previous downloads tab on bard mobile doesn't work correctly.  Im 
> always missing one book I recently downloaded'  Since the previous 
> downloads tab on bard mobile doesn't work for me, I won't be using it.
> I delete books I download from bard from my iPhone as well, but its 
> just I've got almost 1500 books downloaded to my iPhone.  It will take 
> a while before deleted bard books adds up to any free space on my 
> iPhone 8.  I probably won't be able to download IOS 15 when it comes 
> out later this year since I've got so little space on my 256 gig 
> iPhone 8.  I should have gone for an iPhone 11 with 512 gigs of 
> internal memory.  I can't wait for a one terabyte iPhone, that will 
> really be something.
>
> On 7/18/21, R Van Lant  wrote:
>> Once I read a book on BARD, I delete it, so I don't have many on my 
>> phone at a given time, but when I had to reset my phone and lost all 
>> the BARD downloads, I used the Recent Downloads option in the Find 
>> Books tab to more easily find and redownload the books I wanted to 
>> put on my phone.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 5:20 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Are bard mobile download books saved in an iPhone back up?
>>
>> If you back up your iPhone to iCloud and then get a new iPhone and 
>> restore from iCloud, will all of your saved barred mobile books 
>> transfer over?
>> I’m
>> actually asking for a friend who is having serious problems with his 
>> phone and not being able to see any of his bard books. He was 
>> thinking about getting a new phone.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: A Bluetooth Speaker question

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You can't stereo pair a Sonos Roam and another speaker, it would have to be two 
Sonos Roam speakers.
A single Roam speaker is mono, there really isn't much point in trying to get 
stereo sound out of a 6-inch long speaker, but nonetheless it sounds pretty 
impressive.
As for Airplay 2, as far as I know you can send your iPhone's output to 
multiple Airplay 2 speakers, but of course if you were to put two totally 
different speakers into a single room 5 or 6 feet apart you still wouldn't get 
stereo sound if each speaker didn't support this and with different 
characteristics I am not sure this would sound all that great. This would be 
more useful if you want to play the same thing in two different rooms, sort of 
a way to do this without a Sonos system with speakers in different rooms, but I 
actually haven't tried this since I have Sonos speakers everywhere in the house.
The Roam and its larger brother, the Move, both also support Alexa or Google 
Assistant. You can't have both active at the same time, but you can choose 
which one you want to set up and change that if you want.
I think I read that with iOS 15 Apple is also opening up access to SIRI so I 
wouldn't be surprised if you soon will be able to set up your Sonos speakers 
with SIRI, I know when Sonos first introduced Alexa support some years ago they 
told me that their goal was to support all the major digital assistants. This 
is another nice thing with Sonos, you get regular software updates so new 
features are easily added unless you have some of the really old hardware which 
can't support it, but even people who have such speakers can still use them 
with the S1 controller, they don't have he latest features like auto TruePlay 
tuning which is also available on the Roam, but their system continues to 
function.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mickey 
Quenzer
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 2:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Bluetooth Speaker question

Is the Sonos rome an airplay 2 speaker? If you have a Bose 500 speaker and a 
Sonos can you play both speakers at the same time like I can with my Apple TV?
With my Bose sound link which is a Bluetooth speaker, I can use the Bose 
connect app to put two of those speakers in party mode and stereo. Can the same 
thing be done with the Rome speaker?
I guess it is probablya  stereo speaker so that question is probably not 
appropriate.
I like the Bose sound link speaker as it is small and portable but I’m sure the 
Sonos speakers have better output.


*** MQ ***
***270-776-9871 ***

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Simon A 
Fogarty 
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 4:11:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: A Bluetooth Speaker question


Yeah I use to have my play one speakers mounted on the wall,



I did that myself but then it probably wasn’t fantastically right positioning  
but hey it worked fine and I never get people to do what I can do pretty much 
as well.







From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, 19 July 2021 7:47 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Bluetooth Speaker question



Richard said it well, there really is no installation required unless you want 
the speakers wall mounted in which case you or somebody else would have to find 
a stud in your wall and screw the wall mount onto the wall. Apart from that you 
just find a shelf or whatever else to put the speaker on and your only 
requirement would be that you are near a wall outlet so you can plug it in, but 
of course you could use an extension cord if you are too far. Once the speaker 
is plugged in you open the app and it will recognize the new speaker and tell 
you what to do. Richard called the app "quite accessible", I am not sure what 
the "quite" part is because I think it is fully and entirely accessible and 
easy to use. I actually find it is so easy and well done that it's quite fun to 
set up a new speaker.

You can start with any speaker Sonos makes whether it's a Roam or a single 
Sonos SL and add anything else to it whenever you have the money or feel like 
it.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 6:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Bluetooth Speaker question



the Sonos App makes setting it up pretty easy and they have very good support 
if anything goes wrong.

It certainly can be a stand-alone item.

You will want to download the Sonos app for setting it up. The app is quite 
accessible with VoiceOver.

I was hesitant to get into Sonos because of the cost.

But, my wife and I had decided that in retirement we wanted a sound system that 
could go throughout the house.

A local high-end audio store came to do an assessment with recommendations.

It would have cost something like $1600 for them to 

Re: Are bard mobile download books saved in an iPhone back up?

[Arnold Schmidt]

When I moved everything from my IPhone 6 to this one, via the phone transfer 
program, my bard and kindle books did not transfer. My Voice dream reader 
library did. 

Arnold Schmidt 


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2

On Jul 19, 2021, at 10:24 AM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:

Instead of installing an iCloud backup, he should consider an iPhone
to iPhone transfer when upgrading iPhones. A Wi-Fi connection is
needed for this. It supposedly transfers all data and apps to the new
device, including files and music that is not backed up to iCloud.  If
it supposedly transfers everything, BARD Mobile books may also be
transferred. It is worth a try because we know BARD books are not yet
backed up to iCloud.

Kelly




On 7/19/21, regina alvarado  wrote:
> I think this may be a question that’s a little off the subject, but since we
> are talking about books it used to be that when you started reading books on
> an iPhone if you went to an iPad and opened the books app it would go to the
> place that you were reading on your iPhone. This seems to be no longer the
> case. It’s sinking again I think. What settings on each device do I need to
> turn on or off to make it go back to doing what it used to do? Remember, I
> am a medium user so I need direct instructions. Thank you so much. This was
> something that was really nice to be able to hand off books to another
> device if one device needed to be charged or something. Of course, I know
> you can use the I Devices on a cord, but sometimes you just want to read it
> from somewhere else. Thanks again for any help anyone can give me.
> 
> Reggie Alvarado
> 
> On Jul 19, 2021, at 7:10 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> My previous downloads tab on bard mobile doesn't work correctly.  Im
> always missing one book I recently downloaded'  Since the previous
> downloads tab on bard mobile doesn't work for me, I won't be using it.
> I delete books I download from bard from my iPhone as well, but its
> just I've got almost 1500 books downloaded to my iPhone.  It will take
> a while before deleted bard books adds up to any free space on my
> iPhone 8.  I probably won't be able to download IOS 15 when it comes
> out later this year since I've got so little space on my 256 gig
> iPhone 8.  I should have gone for an iPhone 11 with 512 gigs of
> internal memory.  I can't wait for a one terabyte iPhone, that will
> really be something.
> 
> On 7/18/21, R Van Lant  wrote:
>> Once I read a book on BARD, I delete it, so I don't have many on my phone
>> at
>> a given time, but when I had to reset my phone and lost all the BARD
>> downloads, I used the Recent Downloads option in the Find Books tab to
>> more
>> easily find and redownload the books I wanted to put on my phone.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Mary
>> Otten
>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 5:20 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Are bard mobile download books saved in an iPhone back up?
>> 
>> If you back up your iPhone to iCloud and then get a new iPhone and
>> restore
>> from iCloud, will all of your saved barred mobile books transfer over?
>> I’m
>> actually asking for a friend who is having serious problems with his
>> phone
>> and not being able to see any of his bard books. He was thinking about
>> getting a new phone.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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RE: A Bluetooth Speaker question

[Richard Turner]

As far as connecting as stereo pairs, you can do that through the Sonos app 
quite easily.

I suspect if you had two Sonos Roam’s you could do that and then spread them 
out for a wider stereo experience….but I’m not buying a second one to test that 
theory.

I’ve never tried playing two different speakers over Airplay 2 since I don’t 
have 2 different airplay 2 speakers.
Again, with Sonos, I can elect to play my iPhone over just the speakers in my 
office, or any combination of the speakers in the house.


Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mickey 
Quenzer
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 2:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Bluetooth Speaker question

Is the Sonos rome an airplay 2 speaker? If you have a Bose 500 speaker and a 
Sonos can you play both speakers at the same time like I can with my Apple TV?
With my Bose sound link which is a Bluetooth speaker, I can use the Bose 
connect app to put two of those speakers in party mode and stereo. Can the same 
thing be done with the Rome speaker?
I guess it is probablya  stereo speaker so that question is probably not 
appropriate.
I like the Bose sound link speaker as it is small and portable but I’m sure the 
Sonos speakers have better output.


*** MQ ***
***270-776-9871 ***

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Simon 
A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 4:11:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: RE: A Bluetooth Speaker question


Yeah I use to have my play one speakers mounted on the wall,



I did that myself but then it probably wasn’t fantastically right positioning  
but hey it worked fine and I never get people to do what I can do pretty much 
as well.







From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, 19 July 2021 7:47 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Bluetooth Speaker question



Richard said it well, there really is no installation required unless you want 
the speakers wall mounted in which case you or somebody else would have to find 
a stud in your wall and screw the wall mount onto the wall. Apart from that you 
just find a shelf or whatever else to put the speaker on and your only 
requirement would be that you are near a wall outlet so you can plug it in, but 
of course you could use an extension cord if you are too far. Once the speaker 
is plugged in you open the app and it will recognize the new speaker and tell 
you what to do. Richard called the app "quite accessible", I am not sure what 
the "quite" part is because I think it is fully and entirely accessible and 
easy to use. I actually find it is so easy and well done that it's quite fun to 
set up a new speaker.

You can start with any speaker Sonos makes whether it's a Roam or a single 
Sonos SL and add anything else to it whenever you have the money or feel like 
it.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 6:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Bluetooth Speaker question



the Sonos App makes setting it up pretty easy and they have very good support 
if anything goes wrong.

It certainly can be a stand-alone item.

You will want to download the Sonos app for setting it up. The app is quite 
accessible with VoiceOver.

I was hesitant to get into Sonos because of the cost.

But, my wife and I had decided that in retirement we wanted a sound system that 
could go throughout the house.

A local high-end audio store came to do an assessment with recommendations.

It would have cost something like $1600 for them to hard-wire a system that 
would just cover the living room and kitchen.

We decided hard-wired was not the way to go.

When I brought up wireless, he said that Sonos would be the way to go.

To keep a long story, less long; they would have charged I think around $400 to 
install a Sonos system.

Thanks to Sieghard, I/we did it ourselves quite easily.

The app pretty well walks you through the process. Reading the instructions 
ahead on their web site helps.

I'll round off the numbers; but between January and May, we bought the Arc 
sound bar for our TV; $650, two Sonos 1 SL'S also for the living room for $170 
each; one Sonos 1 SL for my wife's office, $170, two Sonos 1 SL, $170 each, for 
my office; two Sonos 1's, $180 each, for the kitchen; and the Sonos Roam, $170, 
for the bedbroom or for taking outside.



We dealt with our local Video Only where we had bought our 43 inch Samsung TV 
last August. So he 

Re: Are bard mobile download books saved in an iPhone back up?

[Kelly Pierce]

Instead of installing an iCloud backup, he should consider an iPhone
to iPhone transfer when upgrading iPhones. A Wi-Fi connection is
needed for this. It supposedly transfers all data and apps to the new
device, including files and music that is not backed up to iCloud.  If
it supposedly transfers everything, BARD Mobile books may also be
transferred. It is worth a try because we know BARD books are not yet
backed up to iCloud.

Kelly




On 7/19/21, regina alvarado  wrote:
> I think this may be a question that’s a little off the subject, but since we
> are talking about books it used to be that when you started reading books on
> an iPhone if you went to an iPad and opened the books app it would go to the
> place that you were reading on your iPhone. This seems to be no longer the
> case. It’s sinking again I think. What settings on each device do I need to
> turn on or off to make it go back to doing what it used to do? Remember, I
> am a medium user so I need direct instructions. Thank you so much. This was
> something that was really nice to be able to hand off books to another
> device if one device needed to be charged or something. Of course, I know
> you can use the I Devices on a cord, but sometimes you just want to read it
> from somewhere else. Thanks again for any help anyone can give me.
>
> Reggie Alvarado
>
> On Jul 19, 2021, at 7:10 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>
> My previous downloads tab on bard mobile doesn't work correctly.  Im
> always missing one book I recently downloaded'  Since the previous
> downloads tab on bard mobile doesn't work for me, I won't be using it.
> I delete books I download from bard from my iPhone as well, but its
> just I've got almost 1500 books downloaded to my iPhone.  It will take
> a while before deleted bard books adds up to any free space on my
> iPhone 8.  I probably won't be able to download IOS 15 when it comes
> out later this year since I've got so little space on my 256 gig
> iPhone 8.  I should have gone for an iPhone 11 with 512 gigs of
> internal memory.  I can't wait for a one terabyte iPhone, that will
> really be something.
>
> On 7/18/21, R Van Lant  wrote:
>> Once I read a book on BARD, I delete it, so I don't have many on my phone
>> at
>> a given time, but when I had to reset my phone and lost all the BARD
>> downloads, I used the Recent Downloads option in the Find Books tab to
>> more
>> easily find and redownload the books I wanted to put on my phone.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Mary
>> Otten
>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 5:20 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Are bard mobile download books saved in an iPhone back up?
>>
>> If you back up your iPhone to iCloud and then get a new iPhone and
>> restore
>> from iCloud, will all of your saved barred mobile books transfer over?
>> I’m
>> actually asking for a friend who is having serious problems with his
>> phone
>> and not being able to see any of his bard books. He was thinking about
>> getting a new phone.
>>
>>
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Re: Are bard mobile download books saved in an iPhone back up?

[regina alvarado]

I think this may be a question that’s a little off the subject, but since we 
are talking about books it used to be that when you started reading books on an 
iPhone if you went to an iPad and opened the books app it would go to the place 
that you were reading on your iPhone. This seems to be no longer the case. It’s 
sinking again I think. What settings on each device do I need to turn on or off 
to make it go back to doing what it used to do? Remember, I am a medium user so 
I need direct instructions. Thank you so much. This was something that was 
really nice to be able to hand off books to another device if one device needed 
to be charged or something. Of course, I know you can use the I Devices on a 
cord, but sometimes you just want to read it from somewhere else. Thanks again 
for any help anyone can give me.

Reggie Alvarado 

On Jul 19, 2021, at 7:10 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:

My previous downloads tab on bard mobile doesn't work correctly.  Im
always missing one book I recently downloaded'  Since the previous
downloads tab on bard mobile doesn't work for me, I won't be using it.
I delete books I download from bard from my iPhone as well, but its
just I've got almost 1500 books downloaded to my iPhone.  It will take
a while before deleted bard books adds up to any free space on my
iPhone 8.  I probably won't be able to download IOS 15 when it comes
out later this year since I've got so little space on my 256 gig
iPhone 8.  I should have gone for an iPhone 11 with 512 gigs of
internal memory.  I can't wait for a one terabyte iPhone, that will
really be something.

On 7/18/21, R Van Lant  wrote:
> Once I read a book on BARD, I delete it, so I don't have many on my phone at
> a given time, but when I had to reset my phone and lost all the BARD
> downloads, I used the Recent Downloads option in the Find Books tab to more
> easily find and redownload the books I wanted to put on my phone.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary
> Otten
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 5:20 PM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: Are bard mobile download books saved in an iPhone back up?
> 
> If you back up your iPhone to iCloud and then get a new iPhone and restore
> from iCloud, will all of your saved barred mobile books transfer over? I’m
> actually asking for a friend who is having serious problems with his phone
> and not being able to see any of his bard books. He was thinking about
> getting a new phone.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: A Bluetooth Speaker question

[Star Gazer]

I’ve noticed this too with the info for a Bluetooth speaker. If you tell Iphone 
it’s a speaker not a headphone voiceover will stay on the phone 

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From: Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 1:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Bluetooth Speaker question

I do not know the general answer, but in the case of the Sonos Roam, as part of 
the Sonos echo system, most other Sonos  speakers are Wi-Fi only and are 
designed to be connected only to your home/business wi-fi.
They also connect over Wi-Fi with Airplay.
Using Airplay, allows you to keep VoiceOver on your device, do whatever else 
you want on your phone while the media is playing through Airplay.

What I discovered with some Bluetooth devices, and the Roam is one, if in the 
Bluetooth settings, under more info for that speaker, you set the type to 
Speaker, as opposed to headphones, then VoiceOver also stays on  the iDevice, 
but all sounds, incoming texts, mail, etc., will also play over the Bluetooth 
speaker.

With Airplay, only the media you elect to play will come over the speaker.

If you have other Sonos speakers, you can add the Roam to your home system and 
switch back to it after being out and about with bluetooth

HTH,
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Duane 
Steele
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 9:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Bluetooth Speaker question

Which brings up another question. What's the advantage of a speaker being able 
to connect with WiFi, and also be able to pair via bluetooth? If your device is 
already using WiFi, why should the speaker also have to use WiFi? Not sure I 
understand how this works. 


> 
> On Jul 18, 2021, at 12:01 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Keep in mind that while the Sonos Roam can work as a Bluetooth speaker it is 
> meant to work on WiFi when you are at home and if you want to play something 
> that is playing on your iPhone you would use Airplay to send it to the 
> speaker.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 11:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: A Bluetooth Speaker question
> 
> Well, the Sonos Roam, which is both Wi-Fi and Buetooth, has aprox. 10 hours 
> of battery life on a full charge, has tone settings if you go through the 
> Sonos app.  You can turn on or off the Loudness feature that boosts the base 
> for everything; which I find will cause it to clip at anything but a very low 
> volume.
> 
> But, it actually has settings to adjust the base and treble on a slider that 
> works.
> We have other Sonos speakers, so it made sense to get this one.
> $169.
> 
> And has been pointed out, there are some very basic settings in the music app 
> on the iPhone.  And quite a few pre-set settings for different styles of 
> music in there as well.
> 
> The Roam gives plenty of volume and has great sound.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
> 
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Duane 
> Steele
> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 10:47 AM
> To: IPhone List 
> Subject: A Bluetooth Speaker question
> 
> Hello iPhone Listers,
> 
> I have a Bluetooth question. I own several speakers including a couple of 
> Bose ones. Unfortunately, none of my speakers offers the option to control 
> the amount of bass and treble being put out. Sometimes, I think the Bose 
> units put out too much bass. Does anyone have any idea what kind of speakers 
> offers tone options? Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> Peace & Blessings,
> Pastor Duane L. Steele
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Re: Are bard mobile download books saved in an iPhone back up?

[Joshua Hendrickson]

My previous downloads tab on bard mobile doesn't work correctly.  Im
always missing one book I recently downloaded'  Since the previous
downloads tab on bard mobile doesn't work for me, I won't be using it.
I delete books I download from bard from my iPhone as well, but its
just I've got almost 1500 books downloaded to my iPhone.  It will take
a while before deleted bard books adds up to any free space on my
iPhone 8.  I probably won't be able to download IOS 15 when it comes
out later this year since I've got so little space on my 256 gig
iPhone 8.  I should have gone for an iPhone 11 with 512 gigs of
internal memory.  I can't wait for a one terabyte iPhone, that will
really be something.

On 7/18/21, R Van Lant  wrote:
> Once I read a book on BARD, I delete it, so I don't have many on my phone at
> a given time, but when I had to reset my phone and lost all the BARD
> downloads, I used the Recent Downloads option in the Find Books tab to more
> easily find and redownload the books I wanted to put on my phone.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary
> Otten
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 5:20 PM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: Are bard mobile download books saved in an iPhone back up?
>
> If you back up your iPhone to iCloud and then get a new iPhone and restore
> from iCloud, will all of your saved barred mobile books transfer over? I’m
> actually asking for a friend who is having serious problems with his phone
> and not being able to see any of his bard books. He was thinking about
> getting a new phone.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: A Bluetooth Speaker question

[Mickey Quenzer]

Is the Sonos rome an airplay 2 speaker? If you have a Bose 500 speaker and a 
Sonos can you play both speakers at the same time like I can with my Apple TV?
With my Bose sound link which is a Bluetooth speaker, I can use the Bose 
connect app to put two of those speakers in party mode and stereo. Can the same 
thing be done with the Rome speaker?
I guess it is probablya  stereo speaker so that question is probably not 
appropriate.
I like the Bose sound link speaker as it is small and portable but I’m sure the 
Sonos speakers have better output.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Simon A 
Fogarty 
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 4:11:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: A Bluetooth Speaker question


Yeah I use to have my play one speakers mounted on the wall,



I did that myself but then it probably wasn’t fantastically right positioning  
but hey it worked fine and I never get people to do what I can do pretty much 
as well.







From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, 19 July 2021 7:47 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Bluetooth Speaker question



Richard said it well, there really is no installation required unless you want 
the speakers wall mounted in which case you or somebody else would have to find 
a stud in your wall and screw the wall mount onto the wall. Apart from that you 
just find a shelf or whatever else to put the speaker on and your only 
requirement would be that you are near a wall outlet so you can plug it in, but 
of course you could use an extension cord if you are too far. Once the speaker 
is plugged in you open the app and it will recognize the new speaker and tell 
you what to do. Richard called the app "quite accessible", I am not sure what 
the "quite" part is because I think it is fully and entirely accessible and 
easy to use. I actually find it is so easy and well done that it's quite fun to 
set up a new speaker.

You can start with any speaker Sonos makes whether it's a Roam or a single 
Sonos SL and add anything else to it whenever you have the money or feel like 
it.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 6:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Bluetooth Speaker question



the Sonos App makes setting it up pretty easy and they have very good support 
if anything goes wrong.

It certainly can be a stand-alone item.

You will want to download the Sonos app for setting it up. The app is quite 
accessible with VoiceOver.

I was hesitant to get into Sonos because of the cost.

But, my wife and I had decided that in retirement we wanted a sound system that 
could go throughout the house.

A local high-end audio store came to do an assessment with recommendations.

It would have cost something like $1600 for them to hard-wire a system that 
would just cover the living room and kitchen.

We decided hard-wired was not the way to go.

When I brought up wireless, he said that Sonos would be the way to go.

To keep a long story, less long; they would have charged I think around $400 to 
install a Sonos system.

Thanks to Sieghard, I/we did it ourselves quite easily.

The app pretty well walks you through the process. Reading the instructions 
ahead on their web site helps.

I'll round off the numbers; but between January and May, we bought the Arc 
sound bar for our TV; $650, two Sonos 1 SL'S also for the living room for $170 
each; one Sonos 1 SL for my wife's office, $170, two Sonos 1 SL, $170 each, for 
my office; two Sonos 1's, $180 each, for the kitchen; and the Sonos Roam, $170, 
for the bedbroom or for taking outside.



We dealt with our local Video Only where we had bought our 43 inch Samsung TV 
last August. So he gave us some deals since we were buying several. We bought 3 
of the SL 1's and the two Sonos 1's the same day...

The arc, Sonos 1's, and the Roam all have the option of using Alexa or Google 
Assistant.

So, to get around to your question; it will be very easy to install whatever 
you want in an apartment.

Sorry for the long winded answer.





Richard

"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt



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On Jul 18, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Duane Steele 
mailto:duanestee...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I wish to thank everybody who has offered suggestions about my bluetooth 
speaker issue. I'll certainly consider the Sonos Roam. Can it work by itself 
without a whole home theater system, and, if, at some point, I wanted a 
complete Sonos outfit, is it difficult to install, in, say, an apartment? This 
question might belabor the issue and keep the subject going for another day or 
two, but since some of you have the products, you can answer on good 

RE: A Bluetooth Speaker question

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah I use to have my play one speakers mounted on the wall,

I did that myself but then it probably wasn’t fantastically right positioning  
but hey it worked fine and I never get people to do what I can do pretty much 
as well.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, 19 July 2021 7:47 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Bluetooth Speaker question

Richard said it well, there really is no installation required unless you want 
the speakers wall mounted in which case you or somebody else would have to find 
a stud in your wall and screw the wall mount onto the wall. Apart from that you 
just find a shelf or whatever else to put the speaker on and your only 
requirement would be that you are near a wall outlet so you can plug it in, but 
of course you could use an extension cord if you are too far. Once the speaker 
is plugged in you open the app and it will recognize the new speaker and tell 
you what to do. Richard called the app "quite accessible", I am not sure what 
the "quite" part is because I think it is fully and entirely accessible and 
easy to use. I actually find it is so easy and well done that it's quite fun to 
set up a new speaker.
You can start with any speaker Sonos makes whether it's a Roam or a single 
Sonos SL and add anything else to it whenever you have the money or feel like 
it.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 6:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Bluetooth Speaker question

the Sonos App makes setting it up pretty easy and they have very good support 
if anything goes wrong.
It certainly can be a stand-alone item.
You will want to download the Sonos app for setting it up. The app is quite 
accessible with VoiceOver.
I was hesitant to get into Sonos because of the cost.
But, my wife and I had decided that in retirement we wanted a sound system that 
could go throughout the house.
A local high-end audio store came to do an assessment with recommendations.
It would have cost something like $1600 for them to hard-wire a system that 
would just cover the living room and kitchen.
We decided hard-wired was not the way to go.
When I brought up wireless, he said that Sonos would be the way to go.
To keep a long story, less long; they would have charged I think around $400 to 
install a Sonos system.
Thanks to Sieghard, I/we did it ourselves quite easily.
The app pretty well walks you through the process. Reading the instructions 
ahead on their web site helps.
I'll round off the numbers; but between January and May, we bought the Arc 
sound bar for our TV; $650, two Sonos 1 SL'S also for the living room for $170 
each; one Sonos 1 SL for my wife's office, $170, two Sonos 1 SL, $170 each, for 
my office; two Sonos 1's, $180 each, for the kitchen; and the Sonos Roam, $170, 
for the bedbroom or for taking outside.

We dealt with our local Video Only where we had bought our 43 inch Samsung TV 
last August. So he gave us some deals since we were buying several. We bought 3 
of the SL 1's and the two Sonos 1's the same day...
The arc, Sonos 1's, and the Roam all have the option of using Alexa or Google 
Assistant.
So, to get around to your question; it will be very easy to install whatever 
you want in an apartment.
Sorry for the long winded answer.


Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On Jul 18, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Duane Steele 
mailto:duanestee...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I wish to thank everybody who has offered suggestions about my bluetooth 
speaker issue. I'll certainly consider the Sonos Roam. Can it work by itself 
without a whole home theater system, and, if, at some point, I wanted a 
complete Sonos outfit, is it difficult to install, in, say, an apartment? This 
question might belabor the issue and keep the subject going for another day or 
two, but since some of you have the products, you can answer on good 
authority... your own experiences.


Peace & Blessings,
Pastor Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194

On Jul 18, 2021, at 7:19 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Sieghard

I could not say anything against what you've written here,

Infact I would highly agree on it all.

Infact if I was looking for a Bluetooth speaker and had the finances,

The roam would be at the top of my want list for such a device,

My home theatre system is the older sonos stuff but I've got no issues with it 
or what it's putting out in the way of audio.

But as you say this brand of audio products is way out there on the to have 
list.

Great work writing this up.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, 19 July 

RE: A Bluetooth Speaker question

[Simon A Fogarty]

I don’t remember it ever being that bad,

Mind you I’ve probably only been using it 8 or so years



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, 19 July 2021 7:58 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Bluetooth Speaker question

It is now, but the Sonos app was not always like that. When I first started 
buying Sonos in 2009 the app was barely useable for a blind person and some 
things weren't. It took many years of lobbying by myself andby Neil 
Barnfather from England until finally around 2011 or 2012 Sonos made a 
commitment to accessibility which has never been broken.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 8:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Bluetooth Speaker question

Yeah Richard exactly,

A lot of other companys could learn from sonos and their mobile app,

It’s a great and veryaccessible application


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, 19 July 2021 1:26 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Bluetooth Speaker question

the Sonos App makes setting it up pretty easy and they have very good support 
if anything goes wrong.
It certainly can be a stand-alone item.
You will want to download the Sonos app for setting it up. The app is quite 
accessible with VoiceOver.
I was hesitant to get into Sonos because of the cost.
But, my wife and I had decided that in retirement we wanted a sound system that 
could go throughout the house.
A local high-end audio store came to do an assessment with recommendations.
It would have cost something like $1600 for them to hard-wire a system that 
would just cover the living room and kitchen.
We decided hard-wired was not the way to go.
When I brought up wireless, he said that Sonos would be the way to go.
To keep a long story, less long; they would have charged I think around $400 to 
install a Sonos system.
Thanks to Sieghard, I/we did it ourselves quite easily.
The app pretty well walks you through the process. Reading the instructions 
ahead on their web site helps.
I'll round off the numbers; but between January and May, we bought the Arc 
sound bar for our TV; $650, two Sonos 1 SL'S also for the living room for $170 
each; one Sonos 1 SL for my wife's office, $170, two Sonos 1 SL, $170 each, for 
my office; two Sonos 1's, $180 each, for the kitchen; and the Sonos Roam, $170, 
for the bedbroom or for taking outside.

We dealt with our local Video Only where we had bought our 43 inch Samsung TV 
last August. So he gave us some deals since we were buying several. We bought 3 
of the SL 1's and the two Sonos 1's the same day...
The arc, Sonos 1's, and the Roam all have the option of using Alexa or Google 
Assistant.
So, to get around to your question; it will be very easy to install whatever 
you want in an apartment.
Sorry for the long winded answer.


Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On Jul 18, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Duane Steele 
mailto:duanestee...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I wish to thank everybody who has offered suggestions about my bluetooth 
speaker issue. I'll certainly consider the Sonos Roam. Can it work by itself 
without a whole home theater system, and, if, at some point, I wanted a 
complete Sonos outfit, is it difficult to install, in, say, an apartment? This 
question might belabor the issue and keep the subject going for another day or 
two, but since some of you have the products, you can answer on good 
authority... your own experiences.


Peace & Blessings,
Pastor Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194
On Jul 18, 2021, at 7:19 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Sieghard

I could not say anything against what you've written here,

Infact I would highly agree on it all.

Infact if I was looking for a Bluetooth speaker and had the finances,

The roam would be at the top of my want list for such a device,

My home theatre system is the older sonos stuff but I've got no issues with it 
or what it's putting out in the way of audio.

But as you say this brand of audio products is way out there on the to have 
list.

Great work writing this up.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, 19 July 2021 7:36 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Bluetooth Speaker question

You should go to 

RE: A Bluetooth Speaker question

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It is now, but the Sonos app was not always like that. When I first started 
buying Sonos in 2009 the app was barely useable for a blind person and some 
things weren't. It took many years of lobbying by myself andby Neil 
Barnfather from England until finally around 2011 or 2012 Sonos made a 
commitment to accessibility which has never been broken.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 8:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Bluetooth Speaker question

Yeah Richard exactly,

A lot of other companys could learn from sonos and their mobile app,

It’s a great and veryaccessible application


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, 19 July 2021 1:26 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Bluetooth Speaker question

the Sonos App makes setting it up pretty easy and they have very good support 
if anything goes wrong.
It certainly can be a stand-alone item.
You will want to download the Sonos app for setting it up. The app is quite 
accessible with VoiceOver.
I was hesitant to get into Sonos because of the cost.
But, my wife and I had decided that in retirement we wanted a sound system that 
could go throughout the house.
A local high-end audio store came to do an assessment with recommendations.
It would have cost something like $1600 for them to hard-wire a system that 
would just cover the living room and kitchen.
We decided hard-wired was not the way to go.
When I brought up wireless, he said that Sonos would be the way to go.
To keep a long story, less long; they would have charged I think around $400 to 
install a Sonos system.
Thanks to Sieghard, I/we did it ourselves quite easily.
The app pretty well walks you through the process. Reading the instructions 
ahead on their web site helps.
I'll round off the numbers; but between January and May, we bought the Arc 
sound bar for our TV; $650, two Sonos 1 SL'S also for the living room for $170 
each; one Sonos 1 SL for my wife's office, $170, two Sonos 1 SL, $170 each, for 
my office; two Sonos 1's, $180 each, for the kitchen; and the Sonos Roam, $170, 
for the bedbroom or for taking outside.

We dealt with our local Video Only where we had bought our 43 inch Samsung TV 
last August. So he gave us some deals since we were buying several. We bought 3 
of the SL 1's and the two Sonos 1's the same day...
The arc, Sonos 1's, and the Roam all have the option of using Alexa or Google 
Assistant.
So, to get around to your question; it will be very easy to install whatever 
you want in an apartment.
Sorry for the long winded answer.


Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On Jul 18, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Duane Steele 
mailto:duanestee...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I wish to thank everybody who has offered suggestions about my bluetooth 
speaker issue. I'll certainly consider the Sonos Roam. Can it work by itself 
without a whole home theater system, and, if, at some point, I wanted a 
complete Sonos outfit, is it difficult to install, in, say, an apartment? This 
question might belabor the issue and keep the subject going for another day or 
two, but since some of you have the products, you can answer on good 
authority... your own experiences.


Peace & Blessings,
Pastor Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194

On Jul 18, 2021, at 7:19 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Sieghard

I could not say anything against what you've written here,

Infact I would highly agree on it all.

Infact if I was looking for a Bluetooth speaker and had the finances,

The roam would be at the top of my want list for such a device,

My home theatre system is the older sonos stuff but I've got no issues with it 
or what it's putting out in the way of audio.

But as you say this brand of audio products is way out there on the to have 
list.

Great work writing this up.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, 19 July 2021 7:36 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Bluetooth Speaker question

You should go to 
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sonos.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cbc30b2651a8243cc976208d94a518e15%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C63762253646504%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=uFyUclWSoqAbPmNGhMQszg1YiD4LEIVgoElnn3Aqx1E%3Dreserved=0
 and simply read about the Sonos music system. Richard mentioned the Sonos Roam 
because he has recently become a "Sonos convert" and I think very much enjoys 
the experience just as pretty much everybody who has a Sonos system does. The 
short answer is that Sonos is a lot more than a speaker, the Roam is just their 

RE: A Bluetooth Speaker question

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Richard said it well, there really is no installation required unless you want 
the speakers wall mounted in which case you or somebody else would have to find 
a stud in your wall and screw the wall mount onto the wall. Apart from that you 
just find a shelf or whatever else to put the speaker on and your only 
requirement would be that you are near a wall outlet so you can plug it in, but 
of course you could use an extension cord if you are too far. Once the speaker 
is plugged in you open the app and it will recognize the new speaker and tell 
you what to do. Richard called the app "quite accessible", I am not sure what 
the "quite" part is because I think it is fully and entirely accessible and 
easy to use. I actually find it is so easy and well done that it's quite fun to 
set up a new speaker.
You can start with any speaker Sonos makes whether it's a Roam or a single 
Sonos SL and add anything else to it whenever you have the money or feel like 
it.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 6:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Bluetooth Speaker question

the Sonos App makes setting it up pretty easy and they have very good support 
if anything goes wrong.
It certainly can be a stand-alone item.
You will want to download the Sonos app for setting it up. The app is quite 
accessible with VoiceOver.
I was hesitant to get into Sonos because of the cost.
But, my wife and I had decided that in retirement we wanted a sound system that 
could go throughout the house.
A local high-end audio store came to do an assessment with recommendations.
It would have cost something like $1600 for them to hard-wire a system that 
would just cover the living room and kitchen.
We decided hard-wired was not the way to go.
When I brought up wireless, he said that Sonos would be the way to go.
To keep a long story, less long; they would have charged I think around $400 to 
install a Sonos system.
Thanks to Sieghard, I/we did it ourselves quite easily.
The app pretty well walks you through the process. Reading the instructions 
ahead on their web site helps.
I'll round off the numbers; but between January and May, we bought the Arc 
sound bar for our TV; $650, two Sonos 1 SL'S also for the living room for $170 
each; one Sonos 1 SL for my wife's office, $170, two Sonos 1 SL, $170 each, for 
my office; two Sonos 1's, $180 each, for the kitchen; and the Sonos Roam, $170, 
for the bedbroom or for taking outside.

We dealt with our local Video Only where we had bought our 43 inch Samsung TV 
last August. So he gave us some deals since we were buying several. We bought 3 
of the SL 1's and the two Sonos 1's the same day...
The arc, Sonos 1's, and the Roam all have the option of using Alexa or Google 
Assistant.
So, to get around to your question; it will be very easy to install whatever 
you want in an apartment.
Sorry for the long winded answer.


Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com



On Jul 18, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Duane Steele  wrote:
I wish to thank everybody who has offered suggestions about my bluetooth 
speaker issue. I'll certainly consider the Sonos Roam. Can it work by itself 
without a whole home theater system, and, if, at some point, I wanted a 
complete Sonos outfit, is it difficult to install, in, say, an apartment? This 
question might belabor the issue and keep the subject going for another day or 
two, but since some of you have the products, you can answer on good 
authority... your own experiences.


Peace & Blessings,
Pastor Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194


On Jul 18, 2021, at 7:19 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:

Sieghard

I could not say anything against what you've written here,

Infact I would highly agree on it all.

Infact if I was looking for a Bluetooth speaker and had the finances,

The roam would be at the top of my want list for such a device,

My home theatre system is the older sonos stuff but I've got no issues with it 
or what it's putting out in the way of audio.

But as you say this brand of audio products is way out there on the to have 
list.

Great work writing this up.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, 19 July 2021 7:36 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Bluetooth Speaker question

You should go to 
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sonos.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cbc30b2651a8243cc976208d94a518e15%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C63762253646504%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=uFyUclWSoqAbPmNGhMQszg1YiD4LEIVgoElnn3Aqx1E%3Dreserved=0
 and simply read about the Sonos music system. Richard mentioned the Sonos Roam 
because he has recently become a "Sonos convert" and I think very much enjoys 
the experience just as pretty much