RE: thoughts on SE3

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You watch too much SciFi, there is a reason why if the police wants to identify 
somebody's DNA it has to be sent to a lab where it takes 24 to 72 hours for it 
to be sequenced and matched to somebody.
 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 6:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

DNA recognition in a chip implanted some where in the body probably already 
exist.  I suspect that for now, it is too expensive to implament.  Let's give 
that technology another 10 to 15 years.

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 8:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

Yes but if we start getting recnised with dna then it is not so far off of 
things like braine chips nad stuff like that. From Mich. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: August 28, 2022 9:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

A tech support guy from Apple told me around 2 months ago that the sim card is 
definitely on the way out in favor of E sim.  I would guess that the sim slot 
is the first place that water might enterr.

I wouldn't care if my finger print sensor is under the screen, I just prefer 
the Touch ID over face recognition.

I'm not sure how long it takes for technology to double these days but I would 
not be surprised if smart phones don't recognize users via DNA at some point in 
the future.

Take care,

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 7:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

Actually the IPX rating states 6 metres for up to 30 minutes which is approx. 
20 feet.
As for Touch Id it will be one of the things of the past in my opinion. There 
have been rumours ever since Face Id was introduced in 2017 that one day there 
will be an iPhone which has Face Id and under-display Touch Id meaning your 
finger print will be read by a sensor embedded in a particular area under the 
screen, but it's not going to be part of the iPhone 14 this year and while one 
should never say never, I have a feeling it has gone the way of the 3.5mm 
headphone jack. Of course such good water resistance can only be achieved if 
there are fewer points where water can enter. I heard that physical SIM cards 
may also soon be a thing of the past with e-SIM taking over, then it's long 
been rumoured that at some point the iPhone won't have any more connector at 
all and if then the volume buttons and the side button are appropriately 
designed we could be looking at an iPhone which may become the scuba divers new 
underwater camera. After all, most scuba diving is done in 40 feet or less and 
a recreational diver stays down maybe 55 minutes to an hour at the most with a 
single tank so that isn't so far fetched.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 4:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

I have not used a 13 mini.  I am guessing that it doesn't have touch id.  That 
would probably be my biggest complaint because I love the touch ID on my S E 
2020.

How much does the 13 mini normally cost for the base model?  And, is the 13 
mini really water resistant up to 36 feet under water for 30 minutes?  That is 
amazing.

Sieghard , Thanks for your information.

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 4:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

Apart from going to a Pro Max phone which has better and louder speakers I 
doubt you would notice much of a difference. If you want good sound use your 
iPhone with a good headset or speaker.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 2:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

Which phone has the best sound?

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 3:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

The size difference is minor, I have put the dimensions and weights as well as 
IPX rating below as this can be easily looked up by doing a Google search for 
"iPhone 13 Mini specifications" or "iPhone SE 2022 specifications", but let's 
not forget that despite the slightly smaller size of the iPhone 13 Mini it has 
a larger screen than the iPhone SE 2022 and it is significantly more water 
proof.
In terms of actual difference, the iPhone SE 2022 is just over a quarter inch 
taller and about an eighth of an inch wider.
The difference in thickness is so minor, 

Re: Cellular data in settings and call performance iPhone10R

[Shai]

Hello Sieghard,
I turn off cellular data to restrict all data to Wifi so as not to
consume data from my cellular plan unnecessarily. I found that this
works best for me. I did try Wifi calling but since my signal is good
(about 3 of 4 bars) carrier does not provide me wifi calling.



On 8/28/22, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Why on earth would you turn off cellular data? If you have Wi-Fi calling
> enabled it will be used if you have poor cellular and good Wi-Fi, but I'd be
> interested to hear your reasoning for turning off cellular.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shai
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 5:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Cellular data in settings and call performance iPhone10R
>
> Hello all,
> Does disabling cellular data in settings/cellular when on wifi affect call
> performance? At home while on wifi I turn off cellular data; however I have
> been noticing dropped calls on an iPhone10R. I tried powering down and on
> the phone and resetting network settings but the problem still seems to
> occur.
> Thoughts?
> Carrier suggests I upgrade phone but phone still works great aside from the
> problem noted.
>
>
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Re: Gurman: Next Apple Watch Pro could feature long-rumored satellite functions, 9 to 5 Mac

[Donna Casteen]

This will be a great feature for those of us who like to go hiking in the 
mountains where there is no cell phone service.

Donna

> 
> Then just get a Zoleo and an unlimited plan and you can text all you want 
> via satellite. The nice thing with Zoleo is that if you use the Zoleo app on 
> your iPhone and have a Zoleo satellite communicator connected via Bluetooth 
> that if you do have cellular or Wi-Fi coverage the message is sent that way 
> except it may come from the dedicated phone number you get when you activate 
> a Zoleo, only if you have neither Wi-Fi nor cellular coverage will the 
> message go via satellite. Keep in mind it is text only, no pictures, no voice.
> Also keep in mind that if the big one hits it probably won't matter because 
> all of these devices don't do you much good if the electricity is out and you 
> can't recharge them.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Cristóbal Muñoz
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 4:53 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Gurman: Next Apple Watch Pro could feature long-rumored 
> satellite functions, 9 to 5 Mac
> 
> I can imagine the marketing now... Will you be ready for when the big one 
> hits? Scientists say it's only a matter of time. Don't count on cellular 
> networks to hold up to the onslaught of panicked people all trying to 
> livestream, call and text at the same time. In a world where natural 
> disasters are more and more becoming the norm. Can you really afford not to 
> be prepared? It's a small price to pay for peace of mind. Just in case...
> Shoot. I think I may have just talked myself into getting one depending on 
> what other goodies the phone may have. I live like less than four miles from 
> the San Andreas fault.
> 
> Cristóbal
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 4:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Gurman: Next Apple Watch Pro could feature long-rumored 
> satellite functions, 9 to 5 Mac
> 
> Let's just keep in mind that even if the iPhone 14 may include the capability 
> to send out an emergency SOS via satellite , that first of all this may be 
> reserved to the Pro models as are so many of the cutting-edge features.
> Secondly, the feature will most certainly require an additional subscription 
> because while they mention this may give devices like the Garmin Inreach a 
> run for their money, a Garmin Inreach (the cheapest costs $529.99 Canadian 
> ($399.99 US) requires a monthly subscription which then allows the user to 
> send simple text messages via satellite as well as to send out an emergency 
> SOS which goes to the International Emergency Rescue Coordination Center. 
> From there a local search and rescue group is deployed if necessary.
> There are less expensive devices like the Zoleo Satellite Communicator which 
> costs $269.99 here in Canada, I assume maybe $199.99 in the US, but still the 
> subscription plans are all similar starting around $15 US or so a month 
> ($19.99 Canadian) for a basic plan where every message you sent costs money 
> all the way up to $49.99 or so ($70 Canadian) which gives you unlimited 
> messages.
> Both with the Inreach Mini or the Zoleo you are better off using your smart 
> phone to compose the messages, both can pair to your phone via Bluetooth so 
> you can type on the phone and just sent via the device. The Zoleo in fact 
> only has two buttons on the device itself, one sends a preprogrammed "I'm OK" 
> message and the other sends the emergency SOS which will activate search and 
> rescue to the location where the device is located. Garmin has much more 
> expensive devices such as the Montana 700I which is a full-fletched GPS with 
> touch screen which also includes Inreach functionality and since it has a 
> touch screen you can text directly from the device with an on-screen keyboard 
> like on the iPhone, but this guy is $$979.99 Canadian, probably about $749.99 
> or so US.
> Both Inreach and Zoleo by the way use the Iridium satellite network, another 
> one is Globalstar, it is used by the "Spot" family of devices which include 
> an asset tracker (a little device you can attach to a car, snowmobile, side 
> by side or other vehicle and which tracks its location) as well as similar 
> 2-way satellite messenger devices to the Inreach and Zoleo. In fact, the Spot 
> X is like a little Blackberry with an actual small physical keyboard on it, 
> but it's not nearly as popular at least here in northern BC because the 
> further north one goes in Canada (or Alaska) the worse is Globalstar which 
> has their satellites all over the equator.
> 
> Nonetheless I think it would be great if ultimately the iPhone and also 
> Android phones could communicate via satellite and then customers who needed 
> this functionality could simply subscribe to whatever plan Apple chooses to 
> offer. Whether this will 

RE: thoughts on SE3

[Christopher Chaltain]

You still have a mute button, two volume buttons, a lock button and speaker 
grills. From what I've read, the key to making smart phones water resistant 
isn't by keeping water out but rather by keeping water from damaging internal 
components.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 8:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

A tech support guy from Apple told me around 2 months ago that the sim card is 
definitely on the way out in favor of E sim.  I would guess that the sim slot 
is the first place that water might enterr.

I wouldn't care if my finger print sensor is under the screen, I just prefer 
the Touch ID over face recognition.

I'm not sure how long it takes for technology to double these days but I would 
not be surprised if smart phones don't recognize users via DNA at some point in 
the future.

Take care,

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 7:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

Actually the IPX rating states 6 metres for up to 30 minutes which is approx. 
20 feet.
As for Touch Id it will be one of the things of the past in my opinion. There 
have been rumours ever since Face Id was introduced in 2017 that one day there 
will be an iPhone which has Face Id and under-display Touch Id meaning your 
finger print will be read by a sensor embedded in a particular area under the 
screen, but it's not going to be part of the iPhone 14 this year and while one 
should never say never, I have a feeling it has gone the way of the 3.5mm 
headphone jack. Of course such good water resistance can only be achieved if 
there are fewer points where water can enter. I heard that physical SIM cards 
may also soon be a thing of the past with e-SIM taking over, then it's long 
been rumoured that at some point the iPhone won't have any more connector at 
all and if then the volume buttons and the side button are appropriately 
designed we could be looking at an iPhone which may become the scuba divers new 
underwater camera. After all, most scuba diving is done in 40 feet or less and 
a recreational diver stays down maybe 55 minutes to an hour at the most with a 
single tank so that isn't so far fetched.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 4:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

I have not used a 13 mini.  I am guessing that it doesn't have touch id.  That 
would probably be my biggest complaint because I love the touch ID on my S E 
2020.

How much does the 13 mini normally cost for the base model?  And, is the 13 
mini really water resistant up to 36 feet under water for 30 minutes?  That is 
amazing.

Sieghard , Thanks for your information.

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 4:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

Apart from going to a Pro Max phone which has better and louder speakers I 
doubt you would notice much of a difference. If you want good sound use your 
iPhone with a good headset or speaker.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 2:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

Which phone has the best sound?

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 3:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

The size difference is minor, I have put the dimensions and weights as well as 
IPX rating below as this can be easily looked up by doing a Google search for 
"iPhone 13 Mini specifications" or "iPhone SE 2022 specifications", but let's 
not forget that despite the slightly smaller size of the iPhone 13 Mini it has 
a larger screen than the iPhone SE 2022 and it is significantly more water 
proof.
In terms of actual difference, the iPhone SE 2022 is just over a quarter inch 
taller and about an eighth of an inch wider.
The difference in thickness is so minor, 0.35mm, that it can hardly be 
expressed in inches, but for those who really care, this would be 0.0138 
inches, in fractions it would be 1/72 of an inch.
Also the weight is only 4 grams different, once again not anything you could 
ever notice if you held one phone in one hand and the other in your other hand.
Of course there is the silly home button which some people think they can't 
live without, but of course will have to live without in a few years after the 
shiny new iPhone SE 2022 they may buy now has to be replaced and there will 
just not be another model with home button. As far as I am concerned I agree 
with 

RE: thoughts on SE3

[bentleyj1952]

DNA recognition in a chip implanted some where in the body probably already 
exist.  I suspect that for now, it is too expensive to implament.  Let's give 
that technology another 10 to 15 years.

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 8:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

Yes but if we start getting recnised with dna then it is not so far off of 
things like braine chips nad stuff like that. From Mich. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: August 28, 2022 9:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

A tech support guy from Apple told me around 2 months ago that the sim card is 
definitely on the way out in favor of E sim.  I would guess that the sim slot 
is the first place that water might enterr.

I wouldn't care if my finger print sensor is under the screen, I just prefer 
the Touch ID over face recognition.

I'm not sure how long it takes for technology to double these days but I would 
not be surprised if smart phones don't recognize users via DNA at some point in 
the future.

Take care,

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 7:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

Actually the IPX rating states 6 metres for up to 30 minutes which is approx. 
20 feet.
As for Touch Id it will be one of the things of the past in my opinion. There 
have been rumours ever since Face Id was introduced in 2017 that one day there 
will be an iPhone which has Face Id and under-display Touch Id meaning your 
finger print will be read by a sensor embedded in a particular area under the 
screen, but it's not going to be part of the iPhone 14 this year and while one 
should never say never, I have a feeling it has gone the way of the 3.5mm 
headphone jack. Of course such good water resistance can only be achieved if 
there are fewer points where water can enter. I heard that physical SIM cards 
may also soon be a thing of the past with e-SIM taking over, then it's long 
been rumoured that at some point the iPhone won't have any more connector at 
all and if then the volume buttons and the side button are appropriately 
designed we could be looking at an iPhone which may become the scuba divers new 
underwater camera. After all, most scuba diving is done in 40 feet or less and 
a recreational diver stays down maybe 55 minutes to an hour at the most with a 
single tank so that isn't so far fetched.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 4:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

I have not used a 13 mini.  I am guessing that it doesn't have touch id.  That 
would probably be my biggest complaint because I love the touch ID on my S E 
2020.

How much does the 13 mini normally cost for the base model?  And, is the 13 
mini really water resistant up to 36 feet under water for 30 minutes?  That is 
amazing.

Sieghard , Thanks for your information.

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 4:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

Apart from going to a Pro Max phone which has better and louder speakers I 
doubt you would notice much of a difference. If you want good sound use your 
iPhone with a good headset or speaker.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 2:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

Which phone has the best sound?

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 3:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

The size difference is minor, I have put the dimensions and weights as well as 
IPX rating below as this can be easily looked up by doing a Google search for 
"iPhone 13 Mini specifications" or "iPhone SE 2022 specifications", but let's 
not forget that despite the slightly smaller size of the iPhone 13 Mini it has 
a larger screen than the iPhone SE 2022 and it is significantly more water 
proof.
In terms of actual difference, the iPhone SE 2022 is just over a quarter inch 
taller and about an eighth of an inch wider.
The difference in thickness is so minor, 0.35mm, that it can hardly be 
expressed in inches, but for those who really care, this would be 0.0138 
inches, in fractions it would be 1/72 of an inch.
Also the weight is only 4 grams different, once again not anything you could 
ever notice if you held one phone in one hand and the other in your other hand.
Of course there is the silly home button which some people think they can't 
live 

RE: thoughts on SE3

[michv]

Yes but if we start getting recnised with dna then it is not so far off of 
things like braine chips nad stuff like that. From Mich. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: August 28, 2022 9:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

A tech support guy from Apple told me around 2 months ago that the sim card is 
definitely on the way out in favor of E sim.  I would guess that the sim slot 
is the first place that water might enterr.

I wouldn't care if my finger print sensor is under the screen, I just prefer 
the Touch ID over face recognition.

I'm not sure how long it takes for technology to double these days but I would 
not be surprised if smart phones don't recognize users via DNA at some point in 
the future.

Take care,

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 7:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

Actually the IPX rating states 6 metres for up to 30 minutes which is approx. 
20 feet.
As for Touch Id it will be one of the things of the past in my opinion. There 
have been rumours ever since Face Id was introduced in 2017 that one day there 
will be an iPhone which has Face Id and under-display Touch Id meaning your 
finger print will be read by a sensor embedded in a particular area under the 
screen, but it's not going to be part of the iPhone 14 this year and while one 
should never say never, I have a feeling it has gone the way of the 3.5mm 
headphone jack. Of course such good water resistance can only be achieved if 
there are fewer points where water can enter. I heard that physical SIM cards 
may also soon be a thing of the past with e-SIM taking over, then it's long 
been rumoured that at some point the iPhone won't have any more connector at 
all and if then the volume buttons and the side button are appropriately 
designed we could be looking at an iPhone which may become the scuba divers new 
underwater camera. After all, most scuba diving is done in 40 feet or less and 
a recreational diver stays down maybe 55 minutes to an hour at the most with a 
single tank so that isn't so far fetched.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 4:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

I have not used a 13 mini.  I am guessing that it doesn't have touch id.  That 
would probably be my biggest complaint because I love the touch ID on my S E 
2020.

How much does the 13 mini normally cost for the base model?  And, is the 13 
mini really water resistant up to 36 feet under water for 30 minutes?  That is 
amazing.

Sieghard , Thanks for your information.

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 4:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

Apart from going to a Pro Max phone which has better and louder speakers I 
doubt you would notice much of a difference. If you want good sound use your 
iPhone with a good headset or speaker.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 2:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

Which phone has the best sound?

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 3:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

The size difference is minor, I have put the dimensions and weights as well as 
IPX rating below as this can be easily looked up by doing a Google search for 
"iPhone 13 Mini specifications" or "iPhone SE 2022 specifications", but let's 
not forget that despite the slightly smaller size of the iPhone 13 Mini it has 
a larger screen than the iPhone SE 2022 and it is significantly more water 
proof.
In terms of actual difference, the iPhone SE 2022 is just over a quarter inch 
taller and about an eighth of an inch wider.
The difference in thickness is so minor, 0.35mm, that it can hardly be 
expressed in inches, but for those who really care, this would be 0.0138 
inches, in fractions it would be 1/72 of an inch.
Also the weight is only 4 grams different, once again not anything you could 
ever notice if you held one phone in one hand and the other in your other hand.
Of course there is the silly home button which some people think they can't 
live without, but of course will have to live without in a few years after the 
shiny new iPhone SE 2022 they may buy now has to be replaced and there will 
just not be another model with home button. As far as I am concerned I agree 
with Kelly and I'd take the increased water resistance and newer design with 
larger OLED screen of the iPhone 13 Mini any day over the SE 2022, but then 
again I wouldn't 

RE: thoughts on SE3

[bentleyj1952]

Ikeep my phone in my pocket for security.  Its too easy for some jerk/jerkette 
to just reach out and grab and run.

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 7:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

Well Sieghard needs a belt clip to hold his iPhone as he has those little 
noodle arms he can't lift it out of his pocket. LOL. 藍  
Mr. Ed
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 3:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

The size difference is minor, I have put the dimensions and weights as well as 
IPX rating below as this can be easily looked up by doing a Google search for 
"iPhone 13 Mini specifications" or "iPhone SE 2022 specifications", but let's 
not forget that despite the slightly smaller size of the iPhone 13 Mini it has 
a larger screen than the iPhone SE 2022 and it is significantly more water 
proof.
In terms of actual difference, the iPhone SE 2022 is just over a quarter inch 
taller and about an eighth of an inch wider.
The difference in thickness is so minor, 0.35mm, that it can hardly be 
expressed in inches, but for those who really care, this would be 0.0138 
inches, in fractions it would be 1/72 of an inch.
Also the weight is only 4 grams different, once again not anything you could 
ever notice if you held one phone in one hand and the other in your other hand.
Of course there is the silly home button which some people think they can't 
live without, but of course will have to live without in a few years after the 
shiny new iPhone SE 2022 they may buy now has to be replaced and there will 
just not be another model with home button. As far as I am concerned I agree 
with Kelly and I'd take the increased water resistance and newer design with 
larger OLED screen of the iPhone 13 Mini any day over the SE 2022, but then 
again I wouldn't buy either one since I hate having a phone in my pocket even 
one as small as the 13 Mini. In fact, I didn't even carry my iPhone 4S in my 
pocket and it was even smaller than that. I always wear a belt so a belt hip 
holster for me is simply the way to go. Here now those specs:

iPhone 13 mini
5.18 x 2.53 x 0.3 inches and 4.94 ounces
131.5 x 64.2 x 7.65 mm and 140 grams
Rated IP68 dust/water resistant (maximum depth of 6 metres up to 30 minutes)

iPhone SE
5.45 x 2.65 x 0.29 inches and 5.08 ounces
138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 144 grams
Rated IP67 dust/water resistant (maximum depth of 1 metres  up to 30 minutes)


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 12:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: thoughts on SE3

The phone is not small. If you want a smaller size phone, then go for the 13 
Mini like I did.  I can carry the Mini easily in any pocket.

Kelly



On 8/27/22, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:
> I’m very pleased with mine. I needed to upgrade as my old Se was 
> having battery issues and had resigned myself to having to have an 
> iPhone without a home button so was pleasantly surprised. The battery 
> life is certainly much better but I’ve not experimented to find out 
> just how long it does last. But when I ran Duo Lingo on my old phone, 
> within a morning I was getting a low battery message whereas I now 
> very rarely get such a message and only after heavy useage.
>
> Alison
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Dennis Long
> Sent: 26 August 2022 18:36
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: thoughts on SE3
>
>
>
> What are people’s thoughts on the SE3  that’s the one that came out 
> this year.  Thanks.
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RE: thoughts on SE3

[bentleyj1952]

A tech support guy from Apple told me around 2 months ago that the sim card is 
definitely on the way out in favor of E sim.  I would guess that the sim slot 
is the first place that water might enterr.

I wouldn't care if my finger print sensor is under the screen, I just prefer 
the Touch ID over face recognition.

I'm not sure how long it takes for technology to double these days but I would 
not be surprised if smart phones don't recognize users via DNA at some point in 
the future.

Take care,

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 7:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

Actually the IPX rating states 6 metres for up to 30 minutes which is approx. 
20 feet.
As for Touch Id it will be one of the things of the past in my opinion. There 
have been rumours ever since Face Id was introduced in 2017 that one day there 
will be an iPhone which has Face Id and under-display Touch Id meaning your 
finger print will be read by a sensor embedded in a particular area under the 
screen, but it's not going to be part of the iPhone 14 this year and while one 
should never say never, I have a feeling it has gone the way of the 3.5mm 
headphone jack. Of course such good water resistance can only be achieved if 
there are fewer points where water can enter. I heard that physical SIM cards 
may also soon be a thing of the past with e-SIM taking over, then it's long 
been rumoured that at some point the iPhone won't have any more connector at 
all and if then the volume buttons and the side button are appropriately 
designed we could be looking at an iPhone which may become the scuba divers new 
underwater camera. After all, most scuba diving is done in 40 feet or less and 
a recreational diver stays down maybe 55 minutes to an hour at the most with a 
single tank so that isn't so far fetched.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 4:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

I have not used a 13 mini.  I am guessing that it doesn't have touch id.  That 
would probably be my biggest complaint because I love the touch ID on my S E 
2020.

How much does the 13 mini normally cost for the base model?  And, is the 13 
mini really water resistant up to 36 feet under water for 30 minutes?  That is 
amazing.

Sieghard , Thanks for your information.

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 4:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

Apart from going to a Pro Max phone which has better and louder speakers I 
doubt you would notice much of a difference. If you want good sound use your 
iPhone with a good headset or speaker.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 2:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

Which phone has the best sound?

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 3:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

The size difference is minor, I have put the dimensions and weights as well as 
IPX rating below as this can be easily looked up by doing a Google search for 
"iPhone 13 Mini specifications" or "iPhone SE 2022 specifications", but let's 
not forget that despite the slightly smaller size of the iPhone 13 Mini it has 
a larger screen than the iPhone SE 2022 and it is significantly more water 
proof.
In terms of actual difference, the iPhone SE 2022 is just over a quarter inch 
taller and about an eighth of an inch wider.
The difference in thickness is so minor, 0.35mm, that it can hardly be 
expressed in inches, but for those who really care, this would be 0.0138 
inches, in fractions it would be 1/72 of an inch.
Also the weight is only 4 grams different, once again not anything you could 
ever notice if you held one phone in one hand and the other in your other hand.
Of course there is the silly home button which some people think they can't 
live without, but of course will have to live without in a few years after the 
shiny new iPhone SE 2022 they may buy now has to be replaced and there will 
just not be another model with home button. As far as I am concerned I agree 
with Kelly and I'd take the increased water resistance and newer design with 
larger OLED screen of the iPhone 13 Mini any day over the SE 2022, but then 
again I wouldn't buy either one since I hate having a phone in my pocket even 
one as small as the 13 Mini. In fact, I didn't even carry my iPhone 4S in my 
pocket and it was even smaller than that. I always wear a belt so a belt hip 
holster for me is simply the way to go. Here now those specs:

iPhone 13 mini
5.18 x 2.53 x 0.3 inches 

RE: Cellular data in settings and call performance iPhone10R

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Why on earth would you turn off cellular data? If you have Wi-Fi calling 
enabled it will be used if you have poor cellular and good Wi-Fi, but I'd be 
interested to hear your reasoning for turning off cellular.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shai
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 5:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Cellular data in settings and call performance iPhone10R

Hello all,
Does disabling cellular data in settings/cellular when on wifi affect call 
performance? At home while on wifi I turn off cellular data; however I have 
been noticing dropped calls on an iPhone10R. I tried powering down and on the 
phone and resetting network settings but the problem still seems to occur.
Thoughts?
Carrier suggests I upgrade phone but phone still works great aside from the 
problem noted.


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RE: Gurman: Next Apple Watch Pro could feature long-rumored satellite functions, 9 to 5 Mac

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Then just get a Zoleo and an unlimited plan and you can text all you want via 
satellite. The nice thing with Zoleo is that if you use the Zoleo app on your 
iPhone and have a Zoleo satellite communicator connected via Bluetooth that if 
you do have cellular or Wi-Fi coverage the message is sent that way except it 
may come from the dedicated phone number you get when you activate a Zoleo, 
only if you have neither Wi-Fi nor cellular coverage will the message go via 
satellite. Keep in mind it is text only, no pictures, no voice.
Also keep in mind that if the big one hits it probably won't matter because all 
of these devices don't do you much good if the electricity is out and you can't 
recharge them.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 4:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Gurman: Next Apple Watch Pro could feature long-rumored satellite 
functions, 9 to 5 Mac

I can imagine the marketing now... Will you be ready for when the big one hits? 
Scientists say it's only a matter of time. Don't count on cellular networks to 
hold up to the onslaught of panicked people all trying to livestream, call and 
text at the same time. In a world where natural disasters are more and more 
becoming the norm. Can you really afford not to be prepared? It's a small price 
to pay for peace of mind. Just in case...
Shoot. I think I may have just talked myself into getting one depending on what 
other goodies the phone may have. I live like less than four miles from the San 
Andreas fault.

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 4:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Gurman: Next Apple Watch Pro could feature long-rumored satellite 
functions, 9 to 5 Mac

Let's just keep in mind that even if the iPhone 14 may include the capability 
to send out an emergency SOS via satellite , that first of all this may be 
reserved to the Pro models as are so many of the cutting-edge features.
Secondly, the feature will most certainly require an additional subscription 
because while they mention this may give devices like the Garmin Inreach a run 
for their money, a Garmin Inreach (the cheapest costs $529.99 Canadian ($399.99 
US) requires a monthly subscription which then allows the user to send simple 
text messages via satellite as well as to send out an emergency SOS which goes 
to the International Emergency Rescue Coordination Center. From there a local 
search and rescue group is deployed if necessary.
There are less expensive devices like the Zoleo Satellite Communicator which 
costs $269.99 here in Canada, I assume maybe $199.99 in the US, but still the 
subscription plans are all similar starting around $15 US or so a month ($19.99 
Canadian) for a basic plan where every message you sent costs money all the way 
up to $49.99 or so ($70 Canadian) which gives you unlimited messages.
Both with the Inreach Mini or the Zoleo you are better off using your smart 
phone to compose the messages, both can pair to your phone via Bluetooth so you 
can type on the phone and just sent via the device. The Zoleo in fact only has 
two buttons on the device itself, one sends a preprogrammed "I'm OK" message 
and the other sends the emergency SOS which will activate search and rescue to 
the location where the device is located. Garmin has much more expensive 
devices such as the Montana 700I which is a full-fletched GPS with touch screen 
which also includes Inreach functionality and since it has a touch screen you 
can text directly from the device with an on-screen keyboard like on the 
iPhone, but this guy is $$979.99 Canadian, probably about $749.99 or so US.
Both Inreach and Zoleo by the way use the Iridium satellite network, another 
one is Globalstar, it is used by the "Spot" family of devices which include an 
asset tracker (a little device you can attach to a car, snowmobile, side by 
side or other vehicle and which tracks its location) as well as similar 2-way 
satellite messenger devices to the Inreach and Zoleo. In fact, the Spot X is 
like a little Blackberry with an actual small physical keyboard on it, but it's 
not nearly as popular at least here in northern BC because the further north 
one goes in Canada (or Alaska) the worse is Globalstar which has their 
satellites all over the equator.
 
Nonetheless I think it would be great if ultimately the iPhone and also Android 
phones could communicate via satellite and then customers who needed this 
functionality could simply subscribe to whatever plan Apple chooses to offer. 
Whether this will replace dedicated devices, however, is also questionable 
because devices like the Inreach Mini or Zoleo work for days or weeks on a 
single charge and we all know how long the iPhone battery lasts and if somebody 
is out on a 10 day hike or hunt one would have to carry an awful lot of 
external 

RE: thoughts on SE3

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Not bad, Mr. Ed, but if we ever met you'd be very astonished as you'd have 
never seen such noodles!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 5:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

Well Sieghard needs a belt clip to hold his iPhone as he has those little 
noodle arms he can't lift it out of his pocket. LOL. 藍
Mr. Ed
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 3:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

The size difference is minor, I have put the dimensions and weights as well as 
IPX rating below as this can be easily looked up by doing a Google search for 
"iPhone 13 Mini specifications" or "iPhone SE 2022 specifications", but let's 
not forget that despite the slightly smaller size of the iPhone 13 Mini it has 
a larger screen than the iPhone SE 2022 and it is significantly more water 
proof.
In terms of actual difference, the iPhone SE 2022 is just over a quarter inch 
taller and about an eighth of an inch wider.
The difference in thickness is so minor, 0.35mm, that it can hardly be 
expressed in inches, but for those who really care, this would be 0.0138 
inches, in fractions it would be 1/72 of an inch.
Also the weight is only 4 grams different, once again not anything you could 
ever notice if you held one phone in one hand and the other in your other hand.
Of course there is the silly home button which some people think they can't 
live without, but of course will have to live without in a few years after the 
shiny new iPhone SE 2022 they may buy now has to be replaced and there will 
just not be another model with home button. As far as I am concerned I agree 
with Kelly and I'd take the increased water resistance and newer design with 
larger OLED screen of the iPhone 13 Mini any day over the SE 2022, but then 
again I wouldn't buy either one since I hate having a phone in my pocket even 
one as small as the 13 Mini. In fact, I didn't even carry my iPhone 4S in my 
pocket and it was even smaller than that. I always wear a belt so a belt hip 
holster for me is simply the way to go. Here now those specs:

iPhone 13 mini
5.18 x 2.53 x 0.3 inches and 4.94 ounces
131.5 x 64.2 x 7.65 mm and 140 grams
Rated IP68 dust/water resistant (maximum depth of 6 metres up to 30 minutes)

iPhone SE
5.45 x 2.65 x 0.29 inches and 5.08 ounces
138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 144 grams
Rated IP67 dust/water resistant (maximum depth of 1 metres  up to 30 minutes)


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 12:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: thoughts on SE3

The phone is not small. If you want a smaller size phone, then go for the 13 
Mini like I did.  I can carry the Mini easily in any pocket.

Kelly



On 8/27/22, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:
> I’m very pleased with mine. I needed to upgrade as my old Se was 
> having battery issues and had resigned myself to having to have an 
> iPhone without a home button so was pleasantly surprised. The battery 
> life is certainly much better but I’ve not experimented to find out 
> just how long it does last. But when I ran Duo Lingo on my old phone, 
> within a morning I was getting a low battery message whereas I now 
> very rarely get such a message and only after heavy useage.
>
> Alison
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Dennis Long
> Sent: 26 August 2022 18:36
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: thoughts on SE3
>
>
>
> What are people’s thoughts on the SE3  that’s the one that came out 
> this year.  Thanks.
>
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RE: thoughts on SE3

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Actually the IPX rating states 6 metres for up to 30 minutes which is approx. 
20 feet.
As for Touch Id it will be one of the things of the past in my opinion. There 
have been rumours ever since Face Id was introduced in 2017 that one day there 
will be an iPhone which has Face Id and under-display Touch Id meaning your 
finger print will be read by a sensor embedded in a particular area under the 
screen, but it's not going to be part of the iPhone 14 this year and while one 
should never say never, I have a feeling it has gone the way of the 3.5mm 
headphone jack. Of course such good water resistance can only be achieved if 
there are fewer points where water can enter. I heard that physical SIM cards 
may also soon be a thing of the past with e-SIM taking over, then it's long 
been rumoured that at some point the iPhone won't have any more connector at 
all and if then the volume buttons and the side button are appropriately 
designed we could be looking at an iPhone which may become the scuba divers new 
underwater camera. After all, most scuba diving is done in 40 feet or less and 
a recreational diver stays down maybe 55 minutes to an hour at the most with a 
single tank so that isn't so far fetched.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 4:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

I have not used a 13 mini.  I am guessing that it doesn't have touch id.  That 
would probably be my biggest complaint because I love the touch ID on my S E 
2020.

How much does the 13 mini normally cost for the base model?  And, is the 13 
mini really water resistant up to 36 feet under water for 30 minutes?  That is 
amazing.

Sieghard , Thanks for your information.

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 4:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

Apart from going to a Pro Max phone which has better and louder speakers I 
doubt you would notice much of a difference. If you want good sound use your 
iPhone with a good headset or speaker.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 2:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

Which phone has the best sound?

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 3:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

The size difference is minor, I have put the dimensions and weights as well as 
IPX rating below as this can be easily looked up by doing a Google search for 
"iPhone 13 Mini specifications" or "iPhone SE 2022 specifications", but let's 
not forget that despite the slightly smaller size of the iPhone 13 Mini it has 
a larger screen than the iPhone SE 2022 and it is significantly more water 
proof.
In terms of actual difference, the iPhone SE 2022 is just over a quarter inch 
taller and about an eighth of an inch wider.
The difference in thickness is so minor, 0.35mm, that it can hardly be 
expressed in inches, but for those who really care, this would be 0.0138 
inches, in fractions it would be 1/72 of an inch.
Also the weight is only 4 grams different, once again not anything you could 
ever notice if you held one phone in one hand and the other in your other hand.
Of course there is the silly home button which some people think they can't 
live without, but of course will have to live without in a few years after the 
shiny new iPhone SE 2022 they may buy now has to be replaced and there will 
just not be another model with home button. As far as I am concerned I agree 
with Kelly and I'd take the increased water resistance and newer design with 
larger OLED screen of the iPhone 13 Mini any day over the SE 2022, but then 
again I wouldn't buy either one since I hate having a phone in my pocket even 
one as small as the 13 Mini. In fact, I didn't even carry my iPhone 4S in my 
pocket and it was even smaller than that. I always wear a belt so a belt hip 
holster for me is simply the way to go. Here now those specs:

iPhone 13 mini
5.18 x 2.53 x 0.3 inches and 4.94 ounces
131.5 x 64.2 x 7.65 mm and 140 grams
Rated IP68 dust/water resistant (maximum depth of 6 metres up to 30 minutes)

iPhone SE
5.45 x 2.65 x 0.29 inches and 5.08 ounces
138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 144 grams
Rated IP67 dust/water resistant (maximum depth of 1 metres  up to 30 minutes)


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 12:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: thoughts on SE3

The phone is not small. If you want a smaller size phone, then go for the 13 
Mini like I did.  I can carry the Mini easily in any pocket.

Kelly



On 8/27/22, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:
> I’m very pleased with mine. I needed 

RE: thoughts on SE3

[Mr. Ed]

Well Sieghard needs a belt clip to hold his iPhone as he has those little 
noodle arms he can't lift it out of his pocket. LOL. 藍  
Mr. Ed
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 3:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

The size difference is minor, I have put the dimensions and weights as well as 
IPX rating below as this can be easily looked up by doing a Google search for 
"iPhone 13 Mini specifications" or "iPhone SE 2022 specifications", but let's 
not forget that despite the slightly smaller size of the iPhone 13 Mini it has 
a larger screen than the iPhone SE 2022 and it is significantly more water 
proof.
In terms of actual difference, the iPhone SE 2022 is just over a quarter inch 
taller and about an eighth of an inch wider.
The difference in thickness is so minor, 0.35mm, that it can hardly be 
expressed in inches, but for those who really care, this would be 0.0138 
inches, in fractions it would be 1/72 of an inch.
Also the weight is only 4 grams different, once again not anything you could 
ever notice if you held one phone in one hand and the other in your other hand.
Of course there is the silly home button which some people think they can't 
live without, but of course will have to live without in a few years after the 
shiny new iPhone SE 2022 they may buy now has to be replaced and there will 
just not be another model with home button. As far as I am concerned I agree 
with Kelly and I'd take the increased water resistance and newer design with 
larger OLED screen of the iPhone 13 Mini any day over the SE 2022, but then 
again I wouldn't buy either one since I hate having a phone in my pocket even 
one as small as the 13 Mini. In fact, I didn't even carry my iPhone 4S in my 
pocket and it was even smaller than that. I always wear a belt so a belt hip 
holster for me is simply the way to go. Here now those specs:

iPhone 13 mini
5.18 x 2.53 x 0.3 inches and 4.94 ounces
131.5 x 64.2 x 7.65 mm and 140 grams
Rated IP68 dust/water resistant (maximum depth of 6 metres up to 30 minutes)

iPhone SE
5.45 x 2.65 x 0.29 inches and 5.08 ounces
138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 144 grams
Rated IP67 dust/water resistant (maximum depth of 1 metres  up to 30 minutes)


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 12:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: thoughts on SE3

The phone is not small. If you want a smaller size phone, then go for the 13 
Mini like I did.  I can carry the Mini easily in any pocket.

Kelly



On 8/27/22, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:
> I’m very pleased with mine. I needed to upgrade as my old Se was 
> having battery issues and had resigned myself to having to have an 
> iPhone without a home button so was pleasantly surprised. The battery 
> life is certainly much better but I’ve not experimented to find out 
> just how long it does last. But when I ran Duo Lingo on my old phone, 
> within a morning I was getting a low battery message whereas I now 
> very rarely get such a message and only after heavy useage.
>
> Alison
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Dennis Long
> Sent: 26 August 2022 18:36
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: thoughts on SE3
>
>
>
> What are people’s thoughts on the SE3  that’s the one that came out 
> this year.  Thanks.
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RE: Cellular data in settings and call performance iPhone10R

[Richard Turner]

Cellular Data refers to the data used for things like email, streaming 
audio/video, etc.
Your cell minutes are something else.
So, under the cellular settings, go through and turn cellular off for apps you 
don't want eating your data.

You should, of course, double check with your provider to be sure.



Richard
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which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

My web site: https://www.turner42.com
礪

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shai
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 5:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Cellular data in settings and call performance iPhone10R

Hello all,
Does disabling cellular data in settings/cellular when on wifi affect call 
performance? At home while on wifi I turn off cellular data; however I have 
been noticing dropped calls on an iPhone10R. I tried powering down and on the 
phone and resetting network settings but the problem still seems to occur.
Thoughts?
Carrier suggests I upgrade phone but phone still works great aside from the 
problem noted.


--
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Cellular data in settings and call performance iPhone10R

[Shai]

Hello all,
Does disabling cellular data in settings/cellular when on wifi affect
call performance? At home while on wifi I turn off cellular data;
however I have been noticing dropped calls on an iPhone10R. I tried
powering down and on the phone and resetting network settings but the
problem still seems to occur.
Thoughts?
Carrier suggests I upgrade phone but phone still works great aside
from the problem noted.


-- 
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An accessibility services company providing training to children and adults!
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Re: [tech-vi Announce List] Six Months with Android: A journey from a blind perspective | by Devin Prater | Aug, 2022 | Medium

[Daniel MacDonald]

Title: Six Months with Android: A journey from a blind perspective | by Devin Prater | Aug, 2022 | Medium
hello all,since Devin posted details of iOS 16 which were made public by various sources, there is one thing  he wished for  now, in iOS 16, likly releasing on September 12th, as there is an Apple Event, there are  now hapticks for typing. they are found in settings>genneral>keyboard>keyboard feedback. I enjoyed this article, as I plan to flash whatever version is close to Android 13by way of LiniageOS. On Aug 28, 2022, at 11:51 AM, Dennis Long  wrote:  From: tech...@groups.io  On Behalf Of David GoldfieldSent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 5:57 AMTo: List Subject: [tech-vi Announce List] Six Months with Android: A journey from a blind perspective | by Devin Prater | Aug, 2022 | Medium https://medium.com/@r.d.t.prater/six-months-with-android-a-journey-from-a-blind-perspective-8637fa92fad4Six Months with Android: A journey from a blind perspectiveDevin PraterDuring the last six months, I’ve used Android exclusively as my primary device. I made calls with it, texted with it, read emails with it, browsed the web, Reddit, Twitter, and Facebook with it, and played games on it. Now, I’m going to express my thoughts on it, its advancements, and its issues.This will contain mostly opinions, or entirely opinions, depending on whether you really love Android or not. But whatever your stance, these are my experiences with the operating system. My issues may not be your issues, and so on.Daily UsageTo put things into perspective, I’ve used my phone, the Samsung Galaxy S20 FE 5G, for the following, with the apps I’ve used:Email: Gmail, Aquamail, DeltaChatMessaging: Google MessagesRSS: FeederPodcasts: Podcast Addict, PocketCastsTerminal: TermuxHomeScreen: 1UIScreen reader: Google TalkBackSpeech Engine: Samsung TTS and Speech Services by GoogleText Recognition/object detection: Google Lookout and Envision AIGaming: PPSSPP, Dolphin, EtherSX2Reddit: RedreaderI’m sure I’m forgetting a few apps, but that’s basically what I used most often. For Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and other popular services, I used their default apps, with no modifications. I used all the Google services that I could, and rarely used Samsung’s apps. So, this is to show that I was deep into the Android ecosystem, with Galaxy Buds Pro, a ChromeBook, and a TickWatch E3.The goodI want to start off the comparison with what worked well. First, Samsung TTS voices are really nice, sounding even more smooth, sometimes, than Alex on iOS, and much more so than the Siri voices. I still love the Lisa voice, which, to me, sounds as close to Alex as possible with her cadence and professional-sounding tone. Yes, the voices could be sluggish if fed lots of text at once, but I rarely ran into that.I also love the wide variety of choice. Apple includes the AAC Bluetooth codec on their iPhones. So, if you get APTX, or Samsung’s Variable codec, or other headphones with other codecs, it won’t matter, and you’ll go back to SBC, which sounds the worst out of all of them. If your headphones have AAC, of course, it’ll get used on the iPhone. But if not, you’re stuck with SBC. Android phones, though, usually come with a few different codecs for headphones to choose from, and in the developer settings, you can choose the codec to use.Another great feature of all modern Android phones is USB-C. Everything else uses USB-C now, including Braille displays, computers, watches, and even iPads. With Android, you can plug all these things into your phone with the same cable. If your flash drive has USB-C, you can even plug that in! With iPhone, though, you have to deal with Lightning, which is just another cable, and one you’ll likely have less of, since less stuff uses it.The last thing is that Android phone makers typically try out new technology before Apple does, leading to bigger cameras, folding phones, or faster Wi-fi or cellular data. Now that the new iPhone SE has 5G, and probably the latest Wi-fi, though, that’s most likely less of an issue. Still, if you like folding phones, Android is your only choice right now.Starting on the software, it’s pretty close to Linux, so if you plug in a game controller, keyboard, or other accessory, it’ll probably work with it. If you have an app for playing music using a Midi keyboard, and you plug one in, it’ll likely work. On iPhone, though, you need apps for more things, like headphones and such.Another nice thing, beginning in the accessibility arena, is that the interface is simple. Buttons are on the screen at all times, not hidden behind menus or long-press options like they are a lot of the time on iOS. If you can feel around the screen with one finger, or swipe, you’ll find everything there is to find. This is really useful for beginners.Another pleasant feature is the tutorial. The TalkBack tutorial guides Android users through just about every feature they’ll need, and then shows them where they can learn more. VoiceOver has nothing 

RE: Gurman: Next Apple Watch Pro could feature long-rumored satellite functions, 9 to 5 Mac

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I can imagine the marketing now... Will you be ready for when the big one hits? 
Scientists say it's only a matter of time. Don't count on cellular networks to 
hold up to the onslaught of panicked people all trying to livestream, call and 
text at the same time. In a world where natural disasters are more and more 
becoming the norm. Can you really afford not to be prepared? It's a small price 
to pay for peace of mind. Just in case...
Shoot. I think I may have just talked myself into getting one depending on what 
other goodies the phone may have. I live like less than four miles from the San 
Andreas fault.

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 4:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Gurman: Next Apple Watch Pro could feature long-rumored satellite 
functions, 9 to 5 Mac

Let's just keep in mind that even if the iPhone 14 may include the capability 
to send out an emergency SOS via satellite , that first of all this may be 
reserved to the Pro models as are so many of the cutting-edge features.
Secondly, the feature will most certainly require an additional subscription 
because while they mention this may give devices like the Garmin Inreach a run 
for their money, a Garmin Inreach (the cheapest costs $529.99 Canadian ($399.99 
US) requires a monthly subscription which then allows the user to send simple 
text messages via satellite as well as to send out an emergency SOS which goes 
to the International Emergency Rescue Coordination Center. From there a local 
search and rescue group is deployed if necessary.
There are less expensive devices like the Zoleo Satellite Communicator which 
costs $269.99 here in Canada, I assume maybe $199.99 in the US, but still the 
subscription plans are all similar starting around $15 US or so a month ($19.99 
Canadian) for a basic plan where every message you sent costs money all the way 
up to $49.99 or so ($70 Canadian) which gives you unlimited messages.
Both with the Inreach Mini or the Zoleo you are better off using your smart 
phone to compose the messages, both can pair to your phone via Bluetooth so you 
can type on the phone and just sent via the device. The Zoleo in fact only has 
two buttons on the device itself, one sends a preprogrammed "I'm OK" message 
and the other sends the emergency SOS which will activate search and rescue to 
the location where the device is located. Garmin has much more expensive 
devices such as the Montana 700I which is a full-fletched GPS with touch screen 
which also includes Inreach functionality and since it has a touch screen you 
can text directly from the device with an on-screen keyboard like on the 
iPhone, but this guy is $$979.99 Canadian, probably about $749.99 or so US.
Both Inreach and Zoleo by the way use the Iridium satellite network, another 
one is Globalstar, it is used by the "Spot" family of devices which include an 
asset tracker (a little device you can attach to a car, snowmobile, side by 
side or other vehicle and which tracks its location) as well as similar 2-way 
satellite messenger devices to the Inreach and Zoleo. In fact, the Spot X is 
like a little Blackberry with an actual small physical keyboard on it, but it's 
not nearly as popular at least here in northern BC because the further north 
one goes in Canada (or Alaska) the worse is Globalstar which has their 
satellites all over the equator.
 
Nonetheless I think it would be great if ultimately the iPhone and also Android 
phones could communicate via satellite and then customers who needed this 
functionality could simply subscribe to whatever plan Apple chooses to offer. 
Whether this will replace dedicated devices, however, is also questionable 
because devices like the Inreach Mini or Zoleo work for days or weeks on a 
single charge and we all know how long the iPhone battery lasts and if somebody 
is out on a 10 day hike or hunt one would have to carry an awful lot of 
external batteries and/or solar charges to make sure you don't run out of 
juice. Still it would be a great option for people who go out for a day or who 
often drive in remote areas without cell connection where they can easily 
charge their iPhone in a vehicle.


Best regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 3:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Gurman: Next Apple Watch Pro could feature long-rumored satellite 
functions, 9 to 5 Mac

9to5Mac - Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 7:36 AM
Gurman: Next Apple Watch Pro could feature long-rumored satellite functions

For over a year, it's been rumored that Apple is working on the ability to 
bring satellite features to the iPhone. First suggested for the iPhone 13 
series, this function may now be available with the upcoming iPhone 14.
While this function could help iPhone users report emergencies in areas 

RE: thoughts on SE3

[bentleyj1952]

I have not used a 13 mini.  I am guessing that it doesn't have touch id.  That 
would probably be my biggest complaint because I love the touch ID on my S E 
2020.

How much does the 13 mini normally cost for the base model?  And, is the 13 
mini really water resistant up to 36 feet under water for 30 minutes?  That is 
amazing.

Sieghard , Thanks for your information.

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 4:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

Apart from going to a Pro Max phone which has better and louder speakers I 
doubt you would notice much of a difference. If you want good sound use your 
iPhone with a good headset or speaker.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 2:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

Which phone has the best sound?

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 3:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

The size difference is minor, I have put the dimensions and weights as well as 
IPX rating below as this can be easily looked up by doing a Google search for 
"iPhone 13 Mini specifications" or "iPhone SE 2022 specifications", but let's 
not forget that despite the slightly smaller size of the iPhone 13 Mini it has 
a larger screen than the iPhone SE 2022 and it is significantly more water 
proof.
In terms of actual difference, the iPhone SE 2022 is just over a quarter inch 
taller and about an eighth of an inch wider.
The difference in thickness is so minor, 0.35mm, that it can hardly be 
expressed in inches, but for those who really care, this would be 0.0138 
inches, in fractions it would be 1/72 of an inch.
Also the weight is only 4 grams different, once again not anything you could 
ever notice if you held one phone in one hand and the other in your other hand.
Of course there is the silly home button which some people think they can't 
live without, but of course will have to live without in a few years after the 
shiny new iPhone SE 2022 they may buy now has to be replaced and there will 
just not be another model with home button. As far as I am concerned I agree 
with Kelly and I'd take the increased water resistance and newer design with 
larger OLED screen of the iPhone 13 Mini any day over the SE 2022, but then 
again I wouldn't buy either one since I hate having a phone in my pocket even 
one as small as the 13 Mini. In fact, I didn't even carry my iPhone 4S in my 
pocket and it was even smaller than that. I always wear a belt so a belt hip 
holster for me is simply the way to go. Here now those specs:

iPhone 13 mini
5.18 x 2.53 x 0.3 inches and 4.94 ounces
131.5 x 64.2 x 7.65 mm and 140 grams
Rated IP68 dust/water resistant (maximum depth of 6 metres up to 30 minutes)

iPhone SE
5.45 x 2.65 x 0.29 inches and 5.08 ounces
138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 144 grams
Rated IP67 dust/water resistant (maximum depth of 1 metres  up to 30 minutes)


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 12:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: thoughts on SE3

The phone is not small. If you want a smaller size phone, then go for the 13 
Mini like I did.  I can carry the Mini easily in any pocket.

Kelly



On 8/27/22, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:
> I’m very pleased with mine. I needed to upgrade as my old Se was 
> having battery issues and had resigned myself to having to have an 
> iPhone without a home button so was pleasantly surprised. The battery 
> life is certainly much better but I’ve not experimented to find out 
> just how long it does last. But when I ran Duo Lingo on my old phone, 
> within a morning I was getting a low battery message whereas I now 
> very rarely get such a message and only after heavy useage.
>
> Alison
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Dennis Long
> Sent: 26 August 2022 18:36
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: thoughts on SE3
>
>
>
> What are people’s thoughts on the SE3  that’s the one that came out 
> this year.  Thanks.
>
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> list.
>
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> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact 
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>
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> mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner is Cara Quinn
> - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com 
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RE: Gurman: Next Apple Watch Pro could feature long-rumored satellite functions, 9 to 5 Mac

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Let's just keep in mind that even if the iPhone 14 may include the capability 
to send out an emergency SOS via satellite , that first of all this may be 
reserved to the Pro models as are so many of the cutting-edge features.
Secondly, the feature will most certainly require an additional subscription 
because while they mention this may give devices like the Garmin Inreach a run 
for their money, a Garmin Inreach (the cheapest costs $529.99 Canadian ($399.99 
US) requires a monthly subscription which then allows the user to send simple 
text messages via satellite as well as to send out an emergency SOS which goes 
to the International Emergency Rescue Coordination Center. From there a local 
search and rescue group is deployed if necessary.
There are less expensive devices like the Zoleo Satellite Communicator which 
costs $269.99 here in Canada, I assume maybe $199.99 in the US, but still the 
subscription plans are all similar starting around $15 US or so a month ($19.99 
Canadian) for a basic plan where every message you sent costs money all the way 
up to $49.99 or so ($70 Canadian) which gives you unlimited messages.
Both with the Inreach Mini or the Zoleo you are better off using your smart 
phone to compose the messages, both can pair to your phone via Bluetooth so you 
can type on the phone and just sent via the device. The Zoleo in fact only has 
two buttons on the device itself, one sends a preprogrammed "I'm OK" message 
and the other sends the emergency SOS which will activate search and rescue to 
the location where the device is located. Garmin has much more expensive 
devices such as the Montana 700I which is a full-fletched GPS with touch screen 
which also includes Inreach functionality and since it has a touch screen you 
can text directly from the device with an on-screen keyboard like on the 
iPhone, but this guy is $$979.99 Canadian, probably about $749.99 or so US.
Both Inreach and Zoleo by the way use the Iridium satellite network, another 
one is Globalstar, it is used by the "Spot" family of devices which include an 
asset tracker (a little device you can attach to a car, snowmobile, side by 
side or other vehicle and which tracks its location) as well as similar 2-way 
satellite messenger devices to the Inreach and Zoleo. In fact, the Spot X is 
like a little Blackberry with an actual small physical keyboard on it, but it's 
not nearly as popular at least here in northern BC because the further north 
one goes in Canada (or Alaska) the worse is Globalstar which has their 
satellites all over the equator.
 
Nonetheless I think it would be great if ultimately the iPhone and also Android 
phones could communicate via satellite and then customers who needed this 
functionality could simply subscribe to whatever plan Apple chooses to offer. 
Whether this will replace dedicated devices, however, is also questionable 
because devices like the Inreach Mini or Zoleo work for days or weeks on a 
single charge and we all know how long the iPhone battery lasts and if somebody 
is out on a 10 day hike or hunt one would have to carry an awful lot of 
external batteries and/or solar charges to make sure you don't run out of 
juice. Still it would be a great option for people who go out for a day or who 
often drive in remote areas without cell connection where they can easily 
charge their iPhone in a vehicle.


Best regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
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9to5Mac - Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 7:36 AM
Gurman: Next Apple Watch Pro could feature long-rumored satellite functions

For over a year, it's been rumored that Apple is working on the ability to 
bring satellite features to the iPhone. First suggested for the iPhone 13 
series, this function may now be available with the upcoming iPhone 14.
While this function could help iPhone users report emergencies in areas without 
cellular service, it's now been discussed by Apple, bringing this functionality 
to a new generation of the rumored Apple Watch Pro.

The information comes from Bloomberg's Mark Gurman in his Power On newsletter. 
According to the journalist, a new generation of the not-announced rugged Apple 
Watch Pro could have satellite features.

The company has also internally discussed the idea of giving its watches 
satellite features, which could make sense for a future version of the new more 
rugged Apple Watch Pro.
In today's newsletter, Gurman discusses how big of a deal adding satellite 
connectivity to the iPhone could be.

That's a step up from the current iPhone and Apple Watch feature for quickly 
calling emergency services and providing them with your location. The features 
also will give stand-alone satellite-based devices, such as the Garmin inReach, 
a run for 

RE: thoughts on SE3

[Carolyn]

Kelly, I want to get a mini. Is the battery good? 

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Kelly Pierce
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Subject: Re: thoughts on SE3

The phone is not small. If you want a smaller size phone, then go for the 13 
Mini like I did.  I can carry the Mini easily in any pocket.

Kelly



On 8/27/22, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:
> I’m very pleased with mine. I needed to upgrade as my old Se was 
> having battery issues and had resigned myself to having to have an 
> iPhone without a home button so was pleasantly surprised. The battery 
> life is certainly much better but I’ve not experimented to find out 
> just how long it does last. But when I ran Duo Lingo on my old phone, 
> within a morning I was getting a low battery message whereas I now 
> very rarely get such a message and only after heavy useage.
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> Alison
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Re: thoughts on SE3

[Devin Prater]

Thanks y'all for all the comparion. I might be getting an SE3 soon, to replace this iPhone X R. Does the SE3 have that spatial audio thing, like the 11 and up?Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 28, 2022, at 4:59 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







Holly, 
 
Yes, you are correct there, the first sentence that "the phone is not small" is misleading.
The rest of what he says is fine, "
If you want a smaller size phone, then go for the 13 Mini like I did.  I can carry the Mini easily in any pocket".
The fact is that if you can carry a 13 Mini in any of your pockets you could put an SE 2022 in that same pocket unless Kelly wears skinny jeans with such small pockets that the eight inch more in width and the quarter
 inch more in length really is an issue 
As I stated, the size difference is very small, but still you get a significantly larger screen on the 13 Mini and better water proofness so if I wanted a small phone the 13 Mini is what I would also buy.
 
 
Best regards,
Sieghard
 
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Siegardt:
 
Yes, but Kelly's statement that the SE 3 is not a small phone is really misleading.  The SE 3 fits nicely in my pocket, and the price difference is a factor for many.

 
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Apple says 95% of iCloud users already have 2FA enabled ahead of Passkeys launch, 9 to 5 Mac

[M. Taylor]

9to5Mac - Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 9:37 AM
Apple says 95% of iCloud users already have 2FA enabled ahead of Passkeys
launch

With its next round of software updates coming this fall, including iOS 16
and macOS Ventura, Apple will launch integrated support for the passkeys
standard. The passkey standard is described as unique digital keys designed
to replace the need for passwords altogether with streamlined sign-in across
your devices, websites, and apps.

When Passkeys is launched as part of iOS 16, macOS Ventura, and iPadOS 16,
they will require that users also have two-factor authentication enabled on
their Apple account. In preparation for this, Apple has shared details with
9to5Mac on the adoption of 2FA among iCloud users for the first time.

What are passkeys?
Passwords are one of the weakest links in digital security today. Many
people will choose a password and then use it across every app, website, or
service they sign into. Passwords can also be leaked in database breaches,
obtained via phishing attacks, and much more. Passkeys address these issues
and let users transition to a completely password-less lifestyle using
public key cryptography.

Apple's support for the passkey standard was announced at WWDC in June. As
we've explained in the past, passkeys replace your password with a digital
key that is unique to your account. This digital key stays on the device, is
end-to-end encrypted, and is never stored on a web server. Each passkey you
create is unique to that app, website, or service.

Passkeys are an extension of the FIDO Standard feature that Apple
implemented as part of iOS 15 and macOS 12 last year. The FIDO Standard
feature, however, requires the user to log into each app or website on each
device before enabling a password-less sign-in method. Passkeys remove that
step and allow users to transition to a password-less login method
altogether.
 
Apple's existing support for biometric logins also extends to passkeys,
allowing you to authenticate with Face ID or Touch ID. This makes passkeys
stronger than all other regularly used types of two-factor authentication.

The flow for logging in with a passkey will work similarly to using iCloud
Keychain and Face ID or Touch ID. The difference, of course, is that,
instead of choosing a credential from iCloud Keychain and autofilling your
password and username into text fields, you'll choose (or create) a passkey
as your login method. Passkeys are synced across your devices using iCloud
Keychain with end-to-end encryption, so even Apple can't view the
information.

What about logging into apps or services on a non-Apple device? Because
passkeys are based on the FIDO Standard, cross-platform support is built
right in. The other non-Apple device will generate a QR Code that can be
read by your iPhone or iPad. iOS then uses Face ID or Touch ID to confirm
that it's you who's trying to sign in. Then, it will confirm or deny the
request to the app or website running on the other device.

Adoption of 2FA among Apple users
The use of passkeys in iOS 16 and macOS Ventura will require that you also
have two-factor authentication enabled for your iCloud account, adding
another layer of protection. While this may sound like a roadblock that
could inhibit the adoption of passkeys among users, Apple says this won't be
the case.

Apple confirmed to 9to5Mac exclusively that over 95% of active iCloud users
already have two-factor authentication enabled on their accounts. This is an
impressive achievement by Apple as part of its efforts to protect users
across their devices and accounts.
 
There are, of course, many features that require you have two-factor
authentication enabled to use them, helping spur adoption of the security
feature. For instance, using an Apple Card or Apple Cash requires that
two-factor authentication be enabled. Enabling iCloud Keychain for syncing
things like passwords and credit card numbers across your devices also
requires that two-factor authentication be enabled for your account.

Apple has continued to expand the number of features and services that
require two-factor authentication as well. For instance, AirTags also
require that 2FA be enabled on your account, as does the new Universal
Control feature as well as syncing iMessage.
If you're one of the few iCloud users who does not have two-factor
authentication enabled on your account, it's quick and easy to enable it
using Apple's guide.
Requiring two-factor authentication be enabled for features such as these
significantly helps boost adoption of the security feature among Apple
users. It's actually a pretty smart strategy by Apple to create these
incentives. In fact, we'd wager that doing that use of 2FA for Apple IDs is
higher than other competing platforms for this exact reason.

When will you be able to use passkeys?
 
Since this is a new API, passkeys requires developers to update their apps
and websites to support the new standard. This means it won't be an instant

Gurman: Next Apple Watch Pro could feature long-rumored satellite functions, 9 to 5 Mac

[M. Taylor]

9to5Mac - Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 7:36 AM
Gurman: Next Apple Watch Pro could feature long-rumored satellite functions

For over a year, it's been rumored that Apple is working on the ability to
bring satellite features to the iPhone. First suggested for the iPhone 13
series, this function may now be available with the upcoming iPhone 14.
While this function could help iPhone users report emergencies in areas
without cellular service, it's now been discussed by Apple, bringing this
functionality to a new generation of the rumored Apple Watch Pro.

The information comes from Bloomberg's Mark Gurman in his Power On
newsletter. According to the journalist, a new generation of the
not-announced rugged Apple Watch Pro could have satellite features.

The company has also internally discussed the idea of giving its watches
satellite features, which could make sense for a future version of the new
more rugged Apple Watch Pro.
In today's newsletter, Gurman discusses how big of a deal adding satellite
connectivity to the iPhone could be.

That's a step up from the current iPhone and Apple Watch feature for quickly
calling emergency services and providing them with your location. The
features also will give stand-alone satellite-based devices, such as the
Garmin inReach, a run for their money. (.) The prospect of having an iPhone
that can reach first responders without a cellular connection is only the
beginning of what Apple is planning. Ultimately, users could have global
internet access and be able to make regular phone calls over satellite
links. The combination of speedy 5G networks and satellite service could one
day turn the iPhone into the most powerful global communications device
available.

While this feature is not expected for the first generation of the rumored
Apple Watch Pro, there are a few features expected for this Watch, as you
can read more below.
What to expect from the Apple Watch Pro?
 
On September 7, Apple will announce the iPhone 14 alongside the Apple Watch
Series 8. A new Apple Watch SE and this rugged Apple Watch Pro are also
rumored to be announced at the "Far Out" keynote.
According to reporting from Mark Gurman, the Apple Watch Pro will visually
differentiate itself from the Apple Watch Series 8 with a new design,
although rumors diverge on whether it will have or not flat edges. Gurman
talks about an "evolution of the current rectangular shape."

One of the key changes to the Apple Watch Pro will be the materials from
which it's made. Currently, the Apple Watch is available in aluminum,
stainless steel, and titanium. The Apple Watch Pro will reportedly feature a
"more durable formulation of titanium" as part of Apple's efforts to make it
as rugged as possible. 
Alongside that larger design, the Watch is also reportedly set to feature
improved battery life. Longer battery life is going to be a key factor for
the "extreme sports" buyers of this Apple Watch, and that is seemingly
something Apple is aware of. 

Much like the Apple Watch Series 8, this new Apple Watch Pro is expected to
add support for body temperature measurements. The Apple Watch won't be able
to give you an exact measurement of your body temperature, but rather it
would send you an alert when it detected that your temperature is elevated.
Then, you could take your temperature using a traditional thermometer. 

Are you excited about this new watch and its satellite features? Share your
thoughts in the comment section below.

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Apple applies for 'Reality One', 'Reality Pro' trademarks ahead of AR headset launch, 9 to 5 Mac

[M. Taylor]

9to5Mac - Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 1:34 PM
Apple applies for 'Reality One', 'Reality Pro' trademarks ahead of AR
headset launch
 
Apple has begun the trademark application process for a variety of 'reality'
names, as it prepares to introduce its first augmented reality headset
device. Bloomberg reports that companies linked to Apple have applied for
names including 'Reality One', 'Reality Pro' and 'Reality Processor'.

Do not expect the headset to appear as part of the iPhone 4 event on
September 7 however. The latest rumors generally point to a product launch
of the headset early in 2023.

Apple's interesting in the 'Reality' branding has been known as far back as
2017, when Bloomberg first reported that Apple was working on 'rOS' or
realityOS. In 2019, Apple published a developer framework named
'RealityKit', to help create augmented reality experiences.
Of course, there's no guarantee that Apple uses any of the proposed
trademarks, like the Reality One or Reality Pro names. For a start, they
haven't been granted yet. However, you can see the logic. The AR headset
would be Apple's first product in the space, hence Reality One.
Reality Pro is also viable, as the first-generation headset is rumored to be
a high-end device - almost like a tech demo more than mass consumer product
- with a hefty ~$2000 price tag, if not more. The headset is expected to
feature two super high resolution displays, one for each eye, and a bevy of
cameras and sensors.

The Reality Processor would naturally refer to the custom Apple silicon
designed for the device. The chip is expected to be similar to the M2 chip
seen in the 2022 MacBook Air. The Information said the first-generation
headset would also feature a special coprocessor to manage the imaging
pipeline.

Apple's first media event of the fall will take place on September 7, where
it will announce its first batch of new products for the holiday season. The
headset is not expected to make an appearance, although anything's possible
as Apple will inevitably preview the headset months ahead of its actual
release. What we do expect to see on September 7 is the iPhone 14 lineup and
Apple Watch Series 8. The headset will most likely be announced in the
spring of 2023.

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RE: thoughts on SE3

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Holly,



Yes, you are correct there, the first sentence that "the phone is not small" is 
misleading.

The rest of what he says is fine, " If you want a smaller size phone, then go 
for the 13 Mini like I did.  I can carry the Mini easily in any pocket".

The fact is that if you can carry a 13 Mini in any of your pockets you could 
put an SE 2022 in that same pocket unless Kelly wears skinny jeans with such 
small pockets that the eight inch more in width and the quarter inch more in 
length really is an issue 

As I stated, the size difference is very small, but still you get a 
significantly larger screen on the 13 Mini and better water proofness so if I 
wanted a small phone the 13 Mini is what I would also buy.





Best regards,

Sieghard



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Siegardt:



Yes, but Kelly's statement that the SE 3 is not a small phone is really 
misleading.  The SE 3 fits nicely in my pocket, and the price difference is a 
factor for many.



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RE: iPhone question.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hello Jenny,

I just had a look at Settings > Display and Brightness and you have to realize 
that there are two entirely separate things here.
At the top you have "Appearance" and here you can select either "Light", "Dark" 
or "Auto". This refers to the colour scheme, light mode, dark mode or automatic.
In dark mode the screen emits less light, backgrounds are dark and text is 
lighter.
In light mode it is the opposite, backgrounds are very light and text or other 
things are darker.
On phones with OLED screens dark mode will use a bit less power because darjk 
pixels consume less power which is why turning on screen curtain where the 
entire screen has only black pixels will save some power.
I am not entirely sure when "auto" is selected when light or dark is used, but 
I would recommend that you should turn your Appearance to "dark".

The next area is screen brightness and once again, the higher of a percentage 
you see there the more battery is used. If screen brightness is set to auto the 
screen adjusts based on the light around you. In a dark room a sighted person 
can see the screen perfectly well with the brightness at 0%, but if you were 
outside in bright sunlight and you wanted to show somebody something on your 
phone they probably couldn't see hardly anything that way and brightness would 
have to be turned up to probably at least 50% or 60%.
The best option is to set screen brightness to auto. As Richard pointed out 
Apple has set it up so that if Voiceover is running and you turn on the screen 
curtain, brightness is reduced to 0% and this will be optimal for battery 
saving. However, if you are in a position where a sighted person might want to 
take a look at your phone then as soon as you either turn the screen curtain 
off or if you turn Voiceover off entirely, the screen will once again be 
visible and brightness will be at a level where it is easy for a sighted person 
to see it.
The next item in Display and Brightness is "True Tone". There is an explanation 
below it so I won't go into it, but I turn it on because I do often show 
sighted people my screen because maybe I want to show them a picture or 
whatever, and then I prefer it to look as good as possible.
Nightshift is the next item and for a blind person it is of little concern, you 
can read what it is by tappin on it.
The next two buttons are also important, Auto Lock determins how quickly your 
iPhone's screen locks when you don't use it and of course this also has a big 
impact on battery life. I know there are some how set this to "Never" as they 
prefer to always lock their screen by pressing the side button. I personally am 
not one of them and I want my screen to lock quickly, but maybe not totally 
quickly so instead of 30 seconds which is the shortest time I set auto lock to 
1 minute.
Lastly there is the "Raise to Wake" which I believe most of turn off. If you 
turn it on the screen wakes up as soon as you raise your phone from the table 
or take it out of your pocket, belt holster or purse. I prefer to wake my phone 
up manually by tapping the screen or pressing the side button. The "Tap to 
wake" is also a setting you can turn on and off, I think it's somewhere in 
accessibility settings.

To summarize again, turn "Dark" on under Appearance, select "auto" for 
brightness and turn Raise to wake off. Then turn the screen curtain on if you 
want the most battery saving.

Of course there are other settings which probably make more of a difference on 
battery life than screen curtain, things like how much you use background app 
refresh, what you allow in location services is a big one and also if you have 
an email address set up whether you use Push or only tell it to get email every 
30 minutes or even manually when you open the Mail app. It's always a trade off 
between features/convenience and battery life. I personally couldn't care less 
if my phone is at 40% or 20% at the end of the day, I rather have less battery 
left and get the most out of the features I want including getting email as it 
arrives.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jenny 
Bomareto
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 2:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone question.

When I went to settings and turned auto on now voiceover says light. Which I 
know you said didn’t make any difference I just thought you guys would like to 
know. And that’s a good thing I went through because it said it was at 16% but 
I switched it to zero referring to the brightness when it had changed to light 
once I turned on automatic.
Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
Jenny Bomareto

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Re: thoughts on SE3

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Siegardt:

Yes, but Kelly's statement that the SE 3 is not a small phone is really 
misleading.  The SE 3 fits nicely in my pocket, and the price difference is 
a factor for many. 


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iPhone question.

[Jenny Bomareto]

When I went to settings and turned auto on now voiceover says light. Which I 
know you said didn’t make any difference I just thought you guys would like to 
know. And that’s a good thing I went through because it said it was at 16% but 
I switched it to zero referring to the brightness when it had changed to light 
once I turned on automatic.

Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
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RE: thoughts on SE3

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Apart from going to a Pro Max phone which has better and louder speakers I 
doubt you would notice much of a difference. If you want good sound use your 
iPhone with a good headset or speaker.


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

Which phone has the best sound?

James B  

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

The size difference is minor, I have put the dimensions and weights as well as 
IPX rating below as this can be easily looked up by doing a Google search for 
"iPhone 13 Mini specifications" or "iPhone SE 2022 specifications", but let's 
not forget that despite the slightly smaller size of the iPhone 13 Mini it has 
a larger screen than the iPhone SE 2022 and it is significantly more water 
proof.
In terms of actual difference, the iPhone SE 2022 is just over a quarter inch 
taller and about an eighth of an inch wider.
The difference in thickness is so minor, 0.35mm, that it can hardly be 
expressed in inches, but for those who really care, this would be 0.0138 
inches, in fractions it would be 1/72 of an inch.
Also the weight is only 4 grams different, once again not anything you could 
ever notice if you held one phone in one hand and the other in your other hand.
Of course there is the silly home button which some people think they can't 
live without, but of course will have to live without in a few years after the 
shiny new iPhone SE 2022 they may buy now has to be replaced and there will 
just not be another model with home button. As far as I am concerned I agree 
with Kelly and I'd take the increased water resistance and newer design with 
larger OLED screen of the iPhone 13 Mini any day over the SE 2022, but then 
again I wouldn't buy either one since I hate having a phone in my pocket even 
one as small as the 13 Mini. In fact, I didn't even carry my iPhone 4S in my 
pocket and it was even smaller than that. I always wear a belt so a belt hip 
holster for me is simply the way to go. Here now those specs:

iPhone 13 mini
5.18 x 2.53 x 0.3 inches and 4.94 ounces
131.5 x 64.2 x 7.65 mm and 140 grams
Rated IP68 dust/water resistant (maximum depth of 6 metres up to 30 minutes)

iPhone SE
5.45 x 2.65 x 0.29 inches and 5.08 ounces
138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 144 grams
Rated IP67 dust/water resistant (maximum depth of 1 metres  up to 30 minutes)


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 12:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: thoughts on SE3

The phone is not small. If you want a smaller size phone, then go for the 13 
Mini like I did.  I can carry the Mini easily in any pocket.

Kelly



On 8/27/22, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:
> I’m very pleased with mine. I needed to upgrade as my old Se was 
> having battery issues and had resigned myself to having to have an 
> iPhone without a home button so was pleasantly surprised. The battery 
> life is certainly much better but I’ve not experimented to find out 
> just how long it does last. But when I ran Duo Lingo on my old phone, 
> within a morning I was getting a low battery message whereas I now 
> very rarely get such a message and only after heavy useage.
>
> Alison
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Dennis Long
> Sent: 26 August 2022 18:36
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: thoughts on SE3
>
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>
> What are people’s thoughts on the SE3  that’s the one that came out 
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RE: iPhone question.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Actually Richard on your 13 Pro which has an OLED screen, screen brightness 
should have no or little effect since there is no backlighting.
Turning on the screen curtain on a phone with POLED screen simply means that 
all pixels turn black whereas on a phone with LCD screen which requires 
backlighting so you can read it in bright light turning on the screen curtain 
turns the backlighting way down and this will in fact make more of a difference.
I think I read once that there are certain colours which take less energy on 
OLED screens so really your screen should not be black but whatever colour it 
is which requires the least amount of energy. I'm just saying that this is the 
technology explanation. I still have an iPhone 11 which according to Apple has 
the most advanced LCD screen ever used, but of course it still requires 
backlighting and while I do often have screen curtain on I must say I don't 
actually notice that much of a difference with battery. If you do than I don't 
want to argue, but I honestly can't see how you might get even 15 or 20 minutes 
more battery life with screen curtain turned on on an OLED screen phone.

One thing I have noticed is that Voiceover itself seems to take up quite a lot 
of battery. We went for a walk with friends the other day and both my wife and 
I as well as my friend have the Apple Watch with Cellular connectivity and with 
cellular also enabled and turned on. I realized that when we left that I only 
had 22% of battery remaining and I started the outdoor walk workout. My friend 
had 21% remaining and also started the outdoor walk workout. We were out for a 
bit over an hour and my watch died after about 1 hour, my friend still had 10% 
battery remaining on his watch when we came home and I thought this was pretty 
significant. I also always notice when we travel how my wife who has an iPhone 
11 Pro always seems to have a lot more battery left than me with my iPhone 11, 
both phones are the same age and she also uses her phone a lot and in fact a 
lot more with the screen on whereas I would let's say listen to a book with the 
screen turned off and only sometimes do something else and I am convinced it is 
because I have Voiceover running and she doesn't or my friend didn't on his 
Apple Watch.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 12:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone question.

Screen brightness only impacts what someone sees on your physical phone, it 
doesn’t have any impact on anything you send.

I know Apple and others do not agree with me, but I simply set screen 
brightness to auto, turn on the screen curtain, which means the brightness will 
be at 0 very shortly.
Then, if someone sighted needs to see my phone, I either toggle the screen 
curtain off, or toggle VoiceOver off and the screen brightness adjusts to the 
room lighting so they can see it fine.
I do this all the time with my wife so she can see my screen when needed.

And, charging once a day is normal.  I have the 13 Pro and get a full day’s use 
on a charge and I use it a lot.

IF I forget to turn on the screen curtain, I notice a definite drop in battery 
life.

Logic says, if the screen brightness takes more juice, doing what I do uses 
less juice, the same as manually lower the screen brightness.




Richard
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礪

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jenny 
Bomareto
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 9:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone question.

Hello,

I’ve been having to charge the battery quite a bit on my phone usually every 
day but then I’m usually playing with it all day long so that’s my maybe 
another reason. Anyways. I currently have the screen brightness set to zero 
however it was set at 33% also currently it’s set to dark so how should that be 
set?  Also if I send a text or an email with like say an attachment that a 
visual person has to read while they be able to read it with my phone screen 
set at 0% and if you guys think I should still leave dark turned on? And how 
about a text message as well with pictures or text?

Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
Jenny Bomareto

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RE: thoughts on SE3

[bentleyj1952]

Which phone has the best sound?

James B  

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 3:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3

The size difference is minor, I have put the dimensions and weights as well as 
IPX rating below as this can be easily looked up by doing a Google search for 
"iPhone 13 Mini specifications" or "iPhone SE 2022 specifications", but let's 
not forget that despite the slightly smaller size of the iPhone 13 Mini it has 
a larger screen than the iPhone SE 2022 and it is significantly more water 
proof.
In terms of actual difference, the iPhone SE 2022 is just over a quarter inch 
taller and about an eighth of an inch wider.
The difference in thickness is so minor, 0.35mm, that it can hardly be 
expressed in inches, but for those who really care, this would be 0.0138 
inches, in fractions it would be 1/72 of an inch.
Also the weight is only 4 grams different, once again not anything you could 
ever notice if you held one phone in one hand and the other in your other hand.
Of course there is the silly home button which some people think they can't 
live without, but of course will have to live without in a few years after the 
shiny new iPhone SE 2022 they may buy now has to be replaced and there will 
just not be another model with home button. As far as I am concerned I agree 
with Kelly and I'd take the increased water resistance and newer design with 
larger OLED screen of the iPhone 13 Mini any day over the SE 2022, but then 
again I wouldn't buy either one since I hate having a phone in my pocket even 
one as small as the 13 Mini. In fact, I didn't even carry my iPhone 4S in my 
pocket and it was even smaller than that. I always wear a belt so a belt hip 
holster for me is simply the way to go. Here now those specs:

iPhone 13 mini
5.18 x 2.53 x 0.3 inches and 4.94 ounces
131.5 x 64.2 x 7.65 mm and 140 grams
Rated IP68 dust/water resistant (maximum depth of 6 metres up to 30 minutes)

iPhone SE
5.45 x 2.65 x 0.29 inches and 5.08 ounces
138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 144 grams
Rated IP67 dust/water resistant (maximum depth of 1 metres  up to 30 minutes)


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 12:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: thoughts on SE3

The phone is not small. If you want a smaller size phone, then go for the 13 
Mini like I did.  I can carry the Mini easily in any pocket.

Kelly



On 8/27/22, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:
> I’m very pleased with mine. I needed to upgrade as my old Se was 
> having battery issues and had resigned myself to having to have an 
> iPhone without a home button so was pleasantly surprised. The battery 
> life is certainly much better but I’ve not experimented to find out 
> just how long it does last. But when I ran Duo Lingo on my old phone, 
> within a morning I was getting a low battery message whereas I now 
> very rarely get such a message and only after heavy useage.
>
> Alison
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Dennis Long
> Sent: 26 August 2022 18:36
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: thoughts on SE3
>
>
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> What are people’s thoughts on the SE3  that’s the one that came out 
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RE: iPhone question.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hello Jenny,

First of all, when you refer to "dark" I assume you mean dark mode versus light 
mode. This has no effect on battery life, it is strictly a visual thing.
As for screen brightness that also makes no difference with respect to you 
sending anybody a text, email, picture or anything else. The screen brightness 
simply affects how bright your screen is not whoever you send something to.
You can think of it this way, if I have a desktop computer with a monitor it 
makes no difference if the monitor is turned off and I send somebody an email 
with a picture, they receive the email just the same and can look at the 
picture just the same, it's not that they couldn't see it because my monitor 
was turned off when I sent it using a screenreader and because I don't require 
the monitor to be on unless a sighted person wants to see my computer.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jenny 
Bomareto
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 9:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone question.

Hello,

I’ve been having to charge the battery quite a bit on my phone usually every 
day but then I’m usually playing with it all day long so that’s my maybe 
another reason. Anyways. I currently have the screen brightness set to zero 
however it was set at 33% also currently it’s set to dark so how should that be 
set?  Also if I send a text or an email with like say an attachment that a 
visual person has to read while they be able to read it with my phone screen 
set at 0% and if you guys think I should still leave dark turned on? And how 
about a text message as well with pictures or text?

Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
Jenny Bomareto

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RE: thoughts on SE3

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hello Holly,

Correct, but physically the 13 Mini is still a tiny bit smaller than the SE 
despite the larger screen. This is possible primarily because the 13 Mini 
doesn't have a home button which takes up a lot of space on the bottom.
Purely on specs the 13 Mini is less tall, less wide, less thick and it weighs 
less although thickness and weight differences are so small as to be only 
detectable with a caliper and a good scale.
The largest difference is in the height/length where the 13 Mini is a bit more 
than a quarter inch shorter.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Holly
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 1:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: thoughts on SE3

Kelly:

Actually, the SE 3 has a display of 4.7" compared to the 13 mini which has a 
5.4 display. 

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RE: thoughts on SE3

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The size difference is minor, I have put the dimensions and weights as well as 
IPX rating below as this can be easily looked up by doing a Google search for 
"iPhone 13 Mini specifications" or "iPhone SE 2022 specifications", but let's 
not forget that despite the slightly smaller size of the iPhone 13 Mini it has 
a larger screen than the iPhone SE 2022 and it is significantly more water 
proof.
In terms of actual difference, the iPhone SE 2022 is just over a quarter inch 
taller and about an eighth of an inch wider.
The difference in thickness is so minor, 0.35mm, that it can hardly be 
expressed in inches, but for those who really care, this would be 0.0138 
inches, in fractions it would be 1/72 of an inch.
Also the weight is only 4 grams different, once again not anything you could 
ever notice if you held one phone in one hand and the other in your other hand.
Of course there is the silly home button which some people think they can't 
live without, but of course will have to live without in a few years after the 
shiny new iPhone SE 2022 they may buy now has to be replaced and there will 
just not be another model with home button. As far as I am concerned I agree 
with Kelly and I'd take the increased water resistance and newer design with 
larger OLED screen of the iPhone 13 Mini any day over the SE 2022, but then 
again I wouldn't buy either one since I hate having a phone in my pocket even 
one as small as the 13 Mini. In fact, I didn't even carry my iPhone 4S in my 
pocket and it was even smaller than that. I always wear a belt so a belt hip 
holster for me is simply the way to go. Here now those specs:

iPhone 13 mini
5.18 x 2.53 x 0.3 inches and 4.94 ounces
131.5 x 64.2 x 7.65 mm and 140 grams
Rated IP68 dust/water resistant (maximum depth of 6 metres up to 30 minutes)

iPhone SE
5.45 x 2.65 x 0.29 inches and 5.08 ounces
138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 144 grams
Rated IP67 dust/water resistant (maximum depth of 1 metres  up to 30 minutes)


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 12:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: thoughts on SE3

The phone is not small. If you want a smaller size phone, then go for the 13 
Mini like I did.  I can carry the Mini easily in any pocket.

Kelly



On 8/27/22, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:
> I’m very pleased with mine. I needed to upgrade as my old Se was 
> having battery issues and had resigned myself to having to have an 
> iPhone without a home button so was pleasantly surprised. The battery 
> life is certainly much better but I’ve not experimented to find out 
> just how long it does last. But when I ran Duo Lingo on my old phone, 
> within a morning I was getting a low battery message whereas I now 
> very rarely get such a message and only after heavy useage.
>
> Alison
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Dennis Long
> Sent: 26 August 2022 18:36
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: thoughts on SE3
>
>
>
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iPhone question.

[Jenny Bomareto]

OK I switched it to where it says automatic on. I’m pretty sure I followed your 
instructions Richard but you can let me know. And of course the screen is zero 
and I have the screen curtain on.

Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
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Re: thoughts on SE3

[Holly]

Kelly:

Actually, the SE 3 has a display of 4.7" compared to the 13 mini which has a 
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Re: thoughts on SE3

[Kelly Pierce]

The phone is not small. If you want a smaller size phone, then go for
the 13 Mini like I did.  I can carry the Mini easily in any pocket.

Kelly



On 8/27/22, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:
> I’m very pleased with mine. I needed to upgrade as my old Se was having
> battery issues and had resigned myself to having to have an iPhone without a
> home button so was pleasantly surprised. The battery life is certainly much
> better but I’ve not experimented to find out just how long it does last. But
> when I ran Duo Lingo on my old phone, within a morning I was getting a low
> battery message whereas I now very rarely get such a message and only after
> heavy useage.
>
> Alison
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: iPhone question.

[Richard Turner]

Kevin, That is why you have to have screen brightness set to auto.
The screen curtain by itself does exactly what you said.
But, if you have auto brightness on; after a very short time, check the screen 
brightness with the screen curtain on and it will be zero and you will notice a 
difference in battery usage.





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> On Aug 28, 2022, at 12:35 PM, Kevin Minor  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi.
>  
> Evidently, screen curtain works differently now. When I learned how it 
> worked, what I read was it didn’t effect the screen brightness. All it did 
> was to have all the pixels show black, rather than turn them off.
>  
> I don’t know what’s done with it.
>  
> Kevin, Valerie and Jilly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 3:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iPhone question.
>  
> Screen brightness only impacts what someone sees on your physical phone, it 
> doesn’t have any impact on anything you send.
>  
> I know Apple and others do not agree with me, but I simply set screen 
> brightness to auto, turn on the screen curtain, which means the brightness 
> will be at 0 very shortly.
> Then, if someone sighted needs to see my phone, I either toggle the screen 
> curtain off, or toggle VoiceOver off and the screen brightness adjusts to the 
> room lighting so they can see it fine.
> I do this all the time with my wife so she can see my screen when needed.
>  
> And, charging once a day is normal.  I have the 13 Pro and get a full day’s 
> use on a charge and I use it a lot.
>  
> IF I forget to turn on the screen curtain, I notice a definite drop in 
> battery life.
>  
> Logic says, if the screen brightness takes more juice, doing what I do uses 
> less juice, the same as manually lower the screen brightness.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
> which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 礪
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jenny 
> Bomareto
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 9:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iPhone question.
>  
> Hello,
>  
> I’ve been having to charge the battery quite a bit on my phone usually every 
> day but then I’m usually playing with it all day long so that’s my maybe 
> another reason. Anyways. I currently have the screen brightness set to zero 
> however it was set at 33% also currently it’s set to dark so how should that 
> be set?  Also if I send a text or an email with like say an attachment that a 
> visual person has to read while they be able to read it with my phone screen 
> set at 0% and if you guys think I should still leave dark turned on? And how 
> about a text message as well with pictures or text?
>  
> Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
> Jenny Bomareto
> 
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RE: iPhone question.

[Kevin Minor]

Hi.

Evidently, screen curtain works differently now. When I learned how it worked, 
what I read was it didn’t effect the screen brightness. All it did was to have 
all the pixels show black, rather than turn them off.

I don’t know what’s done with it.

Kevin, Valerie and Jilly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 3:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone question.

Screen brightness only impacts what someone sees on your physical phone, it 
doesn’t have any impact on anything you send.

I know Apple and others do not agree with me, but I simply set screen 
brightness to auto, turn on the screen curtain, which means the brightness will 
be at 0 very shortly.
Then, if someone sighted needs to see my phone, I either toggle the screen 
curtain off, or toggle VoiceOver off and the screen brightness adjusts to the 
room lighting so they can see it fine.
I do this all the time with my wife so she can see my screen when needed.

And, charging once a day is normal.  I have the 13 Pro and get a full day’s use 
on a charge and I use it a lot.

IF I forget to turn on the screen curtain, I notice a definite drop in battery 
life.

Logic says, if the screen brightness takes more juice, doing what I do uses 
less juice, the same as manually lower the screen brightness.




Richard
“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

My web site: https://www.turner42.com
礪

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Jenny 
Bomareto
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 9:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone question.

Hello,

I’ve been having to charge the battery quite a bit on my phone usually every 
day but then I’m usually playing with it all day long so that’s my maybe 
another reason. Anyways. I currently have the screen brightness set to zero 
however it was set at 33% also currently it’s set to dark so how should that be 
set?  Also if I send a text or an email with like say an attachment that a 
visual person has to read while they be able to read it with my phone screen 
set at 0% and if you guys think I should still leave dark turned on? And how 
about a text message as well with pictures or text?

Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
Jenny Bomareto

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RE: iPhone question.

[Richard Turner]

Screen brightness only impacts what someone sees on your physical phone, it 
doesn’t have any impact on anything you send.

 

I know Apple and others do not agree with me, but I simply set screen 
brightness to auto, turn on the screen curtain, which means the brightness will 
be at 0 very shortly.

Then, if someone sighted needs to see my phone, I either toggle the screen 
curtain off, or toggle VoiceOver off and the screen brightness adjusts to the 
room lighting so they can see it fine.

I do this all the time with my wife so she can see my screen when needed.

 

And, charging once a day is normal.  I have the 13 Pro and get a full day’s use 
on a charge and I use it a lot.

 

IF I forget to turn on the screen curtain, I notice a definite drop in battery 
life.

 

Logic says, if the screen brightness takes more juice, doing what I do uses 
less juice, the same as manually lower the screen brightness.

 

 

 

 

Richard

“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

礪

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jenny 
Bomareto
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 9:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone question.

 

Hello,

 

I’ve been having to charge the battery quite a bit on my phone usually every 
day but then I’m usually playing with it all day long so that’s my maybe 
another reason. Anyways. I currently have the screen brightness set to zero 
however it was set at 33% also currently it’s set to dark so how should that be 
set?  Also if I send a text or an email with like say an attachment that a 
visual person has to read while they be able to read it with my phone screen 
set at 0% and if you guys think I should still leave dark turned on? And how 
about a text message as well with pictures or text?

 

Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
Jenny Bomareto


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RE: iPhone question.

[Dennis Long]

Yes they should be able to read it.  I would leave it as it is.  You can always 
turn brightness up if you need to.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jenny 
Bomareto
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 12:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone question.

 

Hello,

 

I’ve been having to charge the battery quite a bit on my phone usually every 
day but then I’m usually playing with it all day long so that’s my maybe 
another reason. Anyways. I currently have the screen brightness set to zero 
however it was set at 33% also currently it’s set to dark so how should that be 
set?  Also if I send a text or an email with like say an attachment that a 
visual person has to read while they be able to read it with my phone screen 
set at 0% and if you guys think I should still leave dark turned on? And how 
about a text message as well with pictures or text?

 

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Jenny Bomareto


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iPhone question.

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Hello,

I’ve been having to charge the battery quite a bit on my phone usually every 
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FW: [tech-vi Announce List] Six Months with Android: A journey from a blind perspective | by Devin Prater | Aug, 2022 | Medium

[Dennis Long]

 

 

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https://medium.com/@r.d.t.prater/six-months-with-android-a-journey-from-a-blind-perspective-8637fa92fad4


Six Months with Android: A journey from a blind perspective


 

 Devin Prater

During the last six months, I’ve used Android exclusively as my primary device. 
I made calls with it, texted with it, read emails with it, browsed the web, 
Reddit, Twitter, and Facebook with it, and played games on it. Now, I’m going 
to express my thoughts on it, its advancements, and its issues.

This will contain mostly opinions, or entirely opinions, depending on whether 
you really love Android or not. But whatever your stance, these are my 
experiences with the operating system. My issues may not be your issues, and so 
on.


Daily Usage


To put things into perspective, I’ve used my phone, the Samsung Galaxy S20 FE 
5G, for the following, with the apps I’ve used:

*   Email: Gmail, Aquamail, DeltaChat
*   Messaging: Google Messages
*   RSS: Feeder
*   Podcasts: Podcast Addict, PocketCasts
*   Terminal: Termux
*   HomeScreen: 1UI
*   Screen reader: Google TalkBack
*   Speech Engine: Samsung TTS and Speech Services by Google
*   Text Recognition/object detection: Google Lookout and Envision AI
*   Gaming: PPSSPP, Dolphin, EtherSX2
*   Reddit: Redreader

I’m sure I’m forgetting a few apps, but that’s basically what I used most 
often. For Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and other popular services, I used their 
default apps, with no modifications. I used all the Google services that I 
could, and rarely used Samsung’s apps. So, this is to show that I was deep into 
the Android ecosystem, with Galaxy Buds Pro, a ChromeBook, and a TickWatch E3.


The good


I want to start off the comparison with what worked well. First, Samsung TTS 
voices are really nice, sounding even more smooth, sometimes, than Alex on iOS, 
and much more so than the Siri voices. I still love the Lisa voice, which, to 
me, sounds as close to Alex as possible with her cadence and 
professional-sounding tone. Yes, the voices could be sluggish if fed lots of 
text at once, but I rarely ran into that.

I also love the wide variety of choice. Apple includes the AAC Bluetooth codec 
on their iPhones. So, if you get APTX, or Samsung’s Variable codec, or other 
headphones with other codecs, it won’t matter, and you’ll go back to SBC, which 
sounds the worst out of all of them. If your headphones have AAC, of course, 
it’ll get used on the iPhone. But if not, you’re stuck with SBC. Android 
phones, though, usually come with a few different codecs for headphones to 
choose from, and in the developer settings, you can choose the codec to use.

Another great feature of all modern Android phones is USB-C. Everything else 
uses USB-C now, including Braille displays, computers, watches, and even iPads. 
With Android, you can plug all these things into your phone with the same 
cable. If your flash drive has USB-C, you can even plug that in! With iPhone, 
though, you have to deal with Lightning, which is just another cable, and one 
you’ll likely have less of, since less stuff uses it.

The last thing is that Android phone makers typically try out new technology 
before Apple does, leading to bigger cameras, folding phones, or faster Wi-fi 
or cellular data. Now that the new iPhone SE has 5G, and probably the latest 
Wi-fi, though, that’s most likely less of an issue. Still, if you like folding 
phones, Android is your only choice right now.

Starting on the software, it’s pretty close to Linux, so if you plug in a game 
controller, keyboard, or other accessory, it’ll probably work with it. If you 
have an app for playing music using a Midi keyboard, and you plug one in, it’ll 
likely work. On iPhone, though, you need apps for more things, like headphones 
and such.

Another nice thing, beginning in the accessibility arena, is that the interface 
is simple. Buttons are on the screen at all times, not hidden behind menus or 
long-press options like they are a lot of the time on iOS. If you can feel 
around the screen with one finger, or swipe, you’ll find everything there is to 
find. This is really useful for beginners.

Another pleasant feature is the tutorial. The TalkBack tutorial guides Android 
users through just about every feature they’ll need, and then shows them where 
they can learn more. VoiceOver has nothing like that.

On Android, things are a lot more open. Thanks to that, we have the ability for 
multiple screen readers, or entirely new accessibility tools, to be made for 
Android. This allows BRLTTY to add, at least, USB support for HID Braille 
displays, and