Getting Weather Widget Back On iPhone Home Screen

[Margaret Thomas]

Good Evening, All:

I thought maybe I had reached enough of need to know on the learning 
curve for my SE 2 that I could try a little want to know or curious 
about things with the phone and had heard weather widget  stack so many 
times on my status bar that I decided to try to investigate widgets.


When I got the phone home from the Verizon store, it said   Cupertino 
and the weather there and not my town and weather in the status bar that 
was very annoying.  Several days
later, I asked my computer tech who was here for something else if he 
could turn off raise to tap and he did and my town and weather were 
magically in the status
bar instead of Cupertino when I looked at the phone when he left.  Maybe 
he changed it which was helpful, but I have no idea what he did, so I 
hadn't a clue about how to add a widget to the home screen.
Somehow, in my various phone misadventures, I inadvertently added maps 
and photos under the weather widget and had a stack.  At this stage, I 
have almost no need of either of these two and thought I could remove 
them from the stack and keep the very important weather widget.  I read 
a bunch of old posts and listened to a podcast by Thomas Domville on 
"How to add, remove, and customize widgets in iOS" on Applevis, but 
only found how to rearrange items in a stack and how to remove a stack. 
I tried removing one of the widgets I didn't want and probably didn't 
get far enough along to find a do you really want to delete this widget 
and landed on delete stack instead.


an old post VoiceOver Quiz and Answers: Rita's iDevice Advice for 
December 27, 2021
"51.  What are Widgets and how do you add them to any screen of apps on 
your iPhone?


Answer:  How to Add Widgets to Your Home Screen.  The extra widget 
options you can add to your Home screen. Adding these can range from 
fun, such as adding
featured photos, to useful, such as having the weather front and center 
for your daily planning.
Note:  These instructions were written for sighted persons, who are not 
using voiceOver.  If you are using VoiceOver:  when the instructions say 
"Tap on

an item", perform a one finger double tap.
1.  Unlock your iPhone if it is locked.
2.  Press your Home screen until the icons start to wiggle.
3.  Tap the Add button in the top left corner.
4.  Apple will suggest widgets. If your desired widget is there, tap it.
5.  If you don't see the widget you want to add, scroll down or use the 
search bar at the top of the feature.

6.  Tap Add Widget.
7.  Tap Done." in doesn't work for me.  How can a blind person tell when 
the icons start to wiggle?  I have a hearing problem and can't get the 
podcast by Thomas Domville on "How to add, remove, and customize widgets 
in iOS" on Applevis to work either.  He did something to get VO to 
announce column numbers that I missed and my Today View on 	IOS 15.6.1 
does not sound like his demonstration:


https://www.applevis.com/podcasts/how-add-remove-customize-widgets-ios


Also, I'm not clear about what size widget to choose to get all the 
extras like barometric pressure when I double tap on the widget.


My weather app is on screen 2 of my Home screen.

I'd be extremely grateful if anyone can help me get weather back 
prominently like it was before.


Margaret

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RE: I'm in the Market for a Small iPhone

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'm confused. What's meant by the iPhone 13 Mini becoming obsolete? I can't see 
that it won't be able to run on cell networks for years, and it'll keep getting 
IOS updates for at least as long as any other iPhone 13. This will almost 
assuredly be for just one year less than the iPhone 14 models. Apple may not 
have put out an iPhone 14 Mini but that doesn't mean they won't have something 
comparable to the Mini down the road, and it doesn’t take anything whatsoever 
away from the current iPhone 13 Mini. Unless you're looking for that extra year 
of IOS updates, I don't see any reason not to go with an iPhone 13 Mini and 
then choosing your next phone in a few years when you're ready. Who knows what 
your options will be then. Sorry if I missed the point here.

--
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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 10:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm in the Market for a Small iPhone

Hi Evan, 

Just to clarify some misinformation posted about the iPhone 13 Mini versus the 
iPhone SE. I'm currently using the 13 Mini and my iPhone before it was the SE 
2020. The SE 2020 has the same physical form factor as the iPhone 7 and 8 and 
while the 13 Mini has a larger screen size than the SE, its physical form 
factor is actually a bit smaller. 

I'm not going to pretend to predict when these various models will be obsolete 
but I believe the 13 Mini will be usable for a few more years. I can say that I 
really like mine and don't think you can go wrong choosing it. 

Good luck with your decision. 

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2022, at 10:00 PM, Evan Reese  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Larry,
> 
> I did some Googling. It took me some time, but I found a guide to Apple's 
> smallest iPhones.
> 
> Apparently, the iPhone Mini was a very popular line, so there was some 
> dissapointment when a new version wasn't released this year.
> 
> I'm wondering though, if I get a 13 Mini, if it will be more likely to go 
> obsolete before an SE model or a standard 14 model.
> 
> If that is unlikely, then I'm kind of leaning toward that model. It's still 
> for sale on the Apple site and from Verizon, which is our carrier.
> 
> The SE is close to the same size as the Mini, although according to what I've 
> read, it has a smaller screen but a bigger body. A lower screen resolution 
> too, but that doesn't matter to me.
> 
> Evan
> 
> 
>> On 10/20/2022 10:48 PM, llump...@austin.rr.com wrote:
>> Susan and I both have the SE3 and like them very much.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Evan Reese
>> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 9:11 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: I'm in the Market for a Small iPhone
>> 
>> Hey Guys,
>> 
>> I meant to mention that I saw an iPhone 13 Mini not too long ago that looked 
>> like just the thing if I want a small model, but someone else told me that 
>> they weren't making newer models of that one.
>> 
>> Is that true?
>> 
>> Thanks much.
>> 
>> Evan
>> 
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Re: I'm in the Market for a Small iPhone

[Evan Reese]

Thanks Alan

,I don't think I'll be getting it next week, but I plan to take a trip 
at the end of the year; so I do need to have it up and running by then 
for sure.


I don't really need the absolute top of the line, but I figure that if 
I'm going to get one, I do admit to feeling that it would be cool to get 
a really nice one, especially if I can get it in a small package, 
particularly since I hope to be using it for a good while, given that 
these things are not cheap.


I'll let you know what I get.

Evan



On 10/20/2022 11:30 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

Hi Evan,

Just to clarify some misinformation posted about the iPhone 13 Mini versus the 
iPhone SE. I'm currently using the 13 Mini and my iPhone before it was the SE 
2020. The SE 2020 has the same physical form factor as the iPhone 7 and 8 and 
while the 13 Mini has a larger screen size than the SE, its physical form 
factor is actually a bit smaller.

I'm not going to pretend to predict when these various models will be obsolete 
but I believe the 13
Mini will be usable for a few more years. I can say that I really like mine and 
don't think you can go wrong choosing it.

Good luck with your decision.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 20, 2022, at 10:00 PM, Evan Reese  wrote:

Thanks Larry,

I did some Googling. It took me some time, but I found a guide to Apple's 
smallest iPhones.

Apparently, the iPhone Mini was a very popular line, so there was some 
dissapointment when a new version wasn't released this year.

I'm wondering though, if I get a 13 Mini, if it will be more likely to go 
obsolete before an SE model or a standard 14 model.

If that is unlikely, then I'm kind of leaning toward that model. It's still for 
sale on the Apple site and from Verizon, which is our carrier.

The SE is close to the same size as the Mini, although according to what I've 
read, it has a smaller screen but a bigger body. A lower screen resolution too, 
but that doesn't matter to me.

Evan



On 10/20/2022 10:48 PM, llump...@austin.rr.com wrote:
Susan and I both have the SE3 and like them very much.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Evan 
Reese
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 9:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: I'm in the Market for a Small iPhone

Hey Guys,

I meant to mention that I saw an iPhone 13 Mini not too long ago that looked 
like just the thing if I want a small model, but someone else told me that they 
weren't making newer models of that one.

Is that true?

Thanks much.

Evan


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Re: I'm in the Market for a Small iPhone

[Alan Lemly]

Hi Evan, 

Just to clarify some misinformation posted about the iPhone 13 Mini versus the 
iPhone SE. I'm currently using the 13 Mini and my iPhone before it was the SE 
2020. The SE 2020 has the same physical form factor as the iPhone 7 and 8 and 
while the 13 Mini has a larger screen size than the SE, its physical form 
factor is actually a bit smaller. 

I'm not going to pretend to predict when these various models will be obsolete 
but I believe the 13 
Mini will be usable for a few more years. I can say that I really like mine and 
don't think you can go wrong choosing it. 

Good luck with your decision. 

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2022, at 10:00 PM, Evan Reese  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Larry,
> 
> I did some Googling. It took me some time, but I found a guide to Apple's 
> smallest iPhones.
> 
> Apparently, the iPhone Mini was a very popular line, so there was some 
> dissapointment when a new version wasn't released this year.
> 
> I'm wondering though, if I get a 13 Mini, if it will be more likely to go 
> obsolete before an SE model or a standard 14 model.
> 
> If that is unlikely, then I'm kind of leaning toward that model. It's still 
> for sale on the Apple site and from Verizon, which is our carrier.
> 
> The SE is close to the same size as the Mini, although according to what I've 
> read, it has a smaller screen but a bigger body. A lower screen resolution 
> too, but that doesn't matter to me.
> 
> Evan
> 
> 
>> On 10/20/2022 10:48 PM, llump...@austin.rr.com wrote:
>> Susan and I both have the SE3 and like them very much.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Evan 
>> Reese
>> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 9:11 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: I'm in the Market for a Small iPhone
>> 
>> Hey Guys,
>> 
>> I meant to mention that I saw an iPhone 13 Mini not too long ago that looked 
>> like just the thing if I want a small model, but someone else told me that 
>> they weren't making newer models of that one.
>> 
>> Is that true?
>> 
>> Thanks much.
>> 
>> Evan
>> 
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Re: I'm in the Market for a Small iPhone

[Andy Baracco]

The iPhone SE 3rd generation is the same size as the iPhone 7 and 8.

Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Evan Reese" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: I'm in the Market for a Small iPhone


Thanks Chris, I haven't looked at any models yet. I just thought I'd ask
here and see what people thought before I go out to the store.

Evan


On 10/20/2022 10:25 PM, Chris Chaffin wrote:

Hi Evan,

The iPhone 13 Mini is still being sold, so you can still buy one, but it 
is correct, the mini will not be made in any new models of the iPhone, 
like the newest model that just came out, the iphone 14.
Now have you looked at an iPhone SE?  The 3rd edition just came out a few 
months ago, and it is smaller in size, plus it still has a home button.


Chris



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Hey Guys,

I meant to mention that I saw an iPhone 13 Mini not too long ago that 
looked like just the thing if I want a small model, but someone else told 
me that they weren't making newer models of that one.


Is that true?

Thanks much.

Evan


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Re: I'm in the Market for a Small iPhone

[Evan Reese]

Thanks Larry,

I did some Googling. It took me some time, but I found a guide to 
Apple's smallest iPhones.


Apparently, the iPhone Mini was a very popular line, so there was some 
dissapointment when a new version wasn't released this year.


I'm wondering though, if I get a 13 Mini, if it will be more likely to 
go obsolete before an SE model or a standard 14 model.


If that is unlikely, then I'm kind of leaning toward that model. It's 
still for sale on the Apple site and from Verizon, which is our carrier.


The SE is close to the same size as the Mini, although according to what 
I've read, it has a smaller screen but a bigger body. A lower screen 
resolution too, but that doesn't matter to me.


Evan


On 10/20/2022 10:48 PM, llump...@austin.rr.com wrote:

Susan and I both have the SE3 and like them very much.


-Original Message-
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Reese
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 9:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: I'm in the Market for a Small iPhone

Hey Guys,

I meant to mention that I saw an iPhone 13 Mini not too long ago that looked 
like just the thing if I want a small model, but someone else told me that they 
weren't making newer models of that one.

Is that true?

Thanks much.

Evan


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RE: I'm in the Market for a Small iPhone

[llumpkin]

Susan and I both have the SE3 and like them very much.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Evan 
Reese
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 9:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: I'm in the Market for a Small iPhone

Hey Guys,

I meant to mention that I saw an iPhone 13 Mini not too long ago that looked 
like just the thing if I want a small model, but someone else told me that they 
weren't making newer models of that one.

Is that true?

Thanks much.

Evan


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Re: I'm in the Market for a Small iPhone

[Evan Reese]

Thanks Chris, I haven't looked at any models yet. I just thought I'd ask 
here and see what people thought before I go out to the store.


Evan


On 10/20/2022 10:25 PM, Chris Chaffin wrote:

Hi Evan,

The iPhone 13 Mini is still being sold, so you can still buy one, but it is 
correct, the mini will not be made in any new models of the iPhone, like the 
newest model that just came out, the iphone 14.
Now have you looked at an iPhone SE?  The 3rd edition just came out a few 
months ago, and it is smaller in size, plus it still has a home button.

Chris



On Oct 20, 2022, at 10:11 PM, Evan Reese  wrote:

Hey Guys,

I meant to mention that I saw an iPhone 13 Mini not too long ago that looked 
like just the thing if I want a small model, but someone else told me that they 
weren't making newer models of that one.

Is that true?

Thanks much.

Evan


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Re: I'm in the Market for a Small iPhone

[Chris Chaffin]

Hi Evan,

The iPhone 13 Mini is still being sold, so you can still buy one, but it is 
correct, the mini will not be made in any new models of the iPhone, like the 
newest model that just came out, the iphone 14.
Now have you looked at an iPhone SE?  The 3rd edition just came out a few 
months ago, and it is smaller in size, plus it still has a home button.

Chris


> On Oct 20, 2022, at 10:11 PM, Evan Reese  wrote:
> 
> Hey Guys,
> 
> I meant to mention that I saw an iPhone 13 Mini not too long ago that looked 
> like just the thing if I want a small model, but someone else told me that 
> they weren't making newer models of that one.
> 
> Is that true?
> 
> Thanks much.
> 
> Evan
> 
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I'm in the Market for a Small iPhone

[Evan Reese]

Hey Guys,

I meant to mention that I saw an iPhone 13 Mini not too long ago that 
looked like just the thing if I want a small model, but someone else 
told me that they weren't making newer models of that one.


Is that true?

Thanks much.

Evan


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I'm in the Market for a Small iPhone

[Evan Reese]

Hey Guys,

I'm familiar with iOS. I've been using an iPad Mini for over six years. 
I've never owned an iPhone yet though, and I'm now looking for one to buy.


Even though I'm familiar with iOS, I'm not familiar with specific iPhone 
models, and I'm in the market for one.


I want a small one. My manual dexterity is good, so I'm sure I can use 
it.  But I don't want to sacrifice power or memory.


Could people tell me which models I should be looking for that are on 
the smaller side?


Assume price is no object. I'm not saying that I'm gonna buy the most 
expensive iPhone I can get, I'm just saying that I will look at prices 
once I know what my best choices are for a small model.


Thanks for any suggestions.

Evan


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Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Michael Irons]

I would refuse to have an eSIM unless I was given a specific set of 
instructions as to how to transfer the Sim between one found in another. I have 
my old iPhone six which I would want to go to if my present iPhone gives me 
problems. I would not want to be without that physical Sim card for right now. 
Maybe for all times going forward.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2022, at 2:15 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I think it is kind of like the Home Button; there are those who will grieve. 
> I wonder how much longer the SE models will have a Home Button? 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 12:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> And if all you have to do is transfer your e-SIM from your old iPhone to your 
> new one during the setup process of your new phone it would be just as easy 
> peasy.
> I understand why people who make a living reviewing products have multiple 
> phones and want to transfer a SIM from one device to another a lot, but I 
> never understood why somebody would want to spend all that money to buy 2 or 
> 3 high-end phones and use one this day or this week and another the next. I 
> would venture a guess and say that this is a pretty small minority among 
> phone owners.
> I haven't really read up on this, but I understand that transferring an e-SIM 
> from an old phone to a new one is a pretty easy and straight forward thing. I 
> actually switched to an e-SIM on my iPhone 11 because I wanted the physical 
> SIM tray to be available for when I travel to the Philippines with my wife. I 
> haven't bought a new phone since then so I didn't have to transfer said 
> e-SIM. Anyways, if there is an easy way to transfer an e-SIM between 2 or 3 
> devices whenever one wants to do so then the argument about the physical SIM 
> becomes a mute point. From the little I did read all it may take is a QR code 
> from your carrier and then to scan said QR code to transfer the e-SIM and 
> before I would moon over the lack of a physical SIM I would certainly want to 
> inform myself as to how easy or not it is to switch e-SIMs between the 
> devices I have.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 1:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> I have had the same sim card now since my iPhone 5S. Each time I get a new 
> one I just pop the card out and put it in the new one. Easy peasy.
> 
> Chris Judge
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
> Sent: October 19, 2022 8:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> The sad reality is, every time Apple shows "courage " look out, it means that 
> somethings about to get taken away. Just like every time something is done in 
> the name of "safety" it usually means some right or liberty is about to get 
> taken away, that's as far as I'll go into that on this list though. Good luck 
> in being able to get the phone that you want with a Sim tray. For my part, 
> I'm going to hold onto my SE3 which is working quite nicely and suiting my 
> needs. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'd expect it to just work. I get the situation where people want to be 
>> able to use multiple phones by just switching out the SIM card, but that's 
>> not something I'm interested in doing. When I got my iPhone 11, the person 
>> at the AT store basically just handed me my phone and I could walk out of 
>> the store with it. I asked if there was something we needed to do, like swap 
>> the SIM card, and he said no, it was all good. It was the easiest it's ever 
>> been for me to get a new phone, and it was the least amount of time I've 
>> ever spent in a carrier's store.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
>> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
>> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>> 
>> When I got my 13 pro max, I put in my sim card from my iPhone 8 for the 
>> first time.  It was surprisingly easy.  I wonder what would happen if I took 
>> the sim card from my 13 pro max and put it back into my iPhone 8.
>> 
 On 10/19/22, 

RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Star Gazer]

That seems to be correct 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 5:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

I think, maybe the catch to Face ID is holding the phone at least ten inches 
away from your face. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 3:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

Speaking of the home button, it isn't getting used to no home button that is a 
problem for me.  I'm getting used to face ID and that is still somewhat of an 
issue for me.  Not having a home button, is no big deal.  I just wish I could 
still have touch ID instead of face ID.

On 10/20/22, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> I think it is kind of like the Home Button; there are those who will grieve.
> I wonder how much longer the SE models will have a Home Button?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 12:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> And if all you have to do is transfer your e-SIM from your old iPhone 
> to your new one during the setup process of your new phone it would be 
> just as easy peasy.
> I understand why people who make a living reviewing products have 
> multiple phones and want to transfer a SIM from one device to another 
> a lot, but I never understood why somebody would want to spend all 
> that money to buy 2 or
> 3 high-end phones and use one this day or this week and another the 
> next. I would venture a guess and say that this is a pretty small 
> minority among phone owners.
> I haven't really read up on this, but I understand that transferring 
> an e-SIM from an old phone to a new one is a pretty easy and straight 
> forward thing. I actually switched to an e-SIM on my iPhone 11 because 
> I wanted the physical SIM tray to be available for when I travel to 
> the Philippines with my wife. I haven't bought a new phone since then 
> so I didn't have to transfer said e-SIM. Anyways, if there is an easy 
> way to transfer an e-SIM between 2 or 3 devices whenever one wants to 
> do so then the argument about the physical SIM becomes a mute point.
> From the little I did read all it may take is a QR code from your 
> carrier and then to scan said QR code to transfer the e-SIM and before 
> I would moon over the lack of a physical SIM I would certainly want to 
> inform myself as to how easy or not it is to switch e-SIMs between the 
> devices I have.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 1:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> I have had the same sim card now since my iPhone 5S. Each time I get a 
> new one I just pop the card out and put it in the new one. Easy peasy.
>
> Chris Judge
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Julian
> Sent: October 19, 2022 8:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> The sad reality is, every time Apple shows "courage " look out, it 
> means that somethings about to get taken away. Just like every time 
> something is done in the name of "safety" it usually means some right 
> or liberty is about to get taken away, that's as far as I'll go into that on 
> this list though.
> Good luck in being able to get the phone that you want with a Sim 
> tray. For my part, I'm going to hold onto my SE3 which is working 
> quite nicely and suiting my needs.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'd expect it to just work. I get the situation where people want to 
>> be able to use multiple phones by just switching out the SIM card, 
>> but that's not something I'm interested in doing. When I got my 
>> iPhone 11, the person at the AT store basically just handed me my 
>> phone and I could walk out of the store with it. I asked if there was 
>> something we needed to do, like swap the SIM card, and he said no, it 
>> was all good. It was the easiest it's ever been for me to get a new 
>> phone, and it was the least amount of time I've ever spent in a 

RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Carolyn]

I hope that is the case, so that there will still be a choice, not that I want 
it, but I can well remember when I did want it. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Michael Irons
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 4:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

I believe the SE models will have a home button as long as there’s a large 
number of people making it down that they really have to be able to go home. Rip

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2022, at 2:15 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I think it is kind of like the Home Button; there are those who will grieve. 
> I wonder how much longer the SE models will have a Home Button? 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 12:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> And if all you have to do is transfer your e-SIM from your old iPhone to your 
> new one during the setup process of your new phone it would be just as easy 
> peasy.
> I understand why people who make a living reviewing products have multiple 
> phones and want to transfer a SIM from one device to another a lot, but I 
> never understood why somebody would want to spend all that money to buy 2 or 
> 3 high-end phones and use one this day or this week and another the next. I 
> would venture a guess and say that this is a pretty small minority among 
> phone owners.
> I haven't really read up on this, but I understand that transferring an e-SIM 
> from an old phone to a new one is a pretty easy and straight forward thing. I 
> actually switched to an e-SIM on my iPhone 11 because I wanted the physical 
> SIM tray to be available for when I travel to the Philippines with my wife. I 
> haven't bought a new phone since then so I didn't have to transfer said 
> e-SIM. Anyways, if there is an easy way to transfer an e-SIM between 2 or 3 
> devices whenever one wants to do so then the argument about the physical SIM 
> becomes a mute point. From the little I did read all it may take is a QR code 
> from your carrier and then to scan said QR code to transfer the e-SIM and 
> before I would moon over the lack of a physical SIM I would certainly want to 
> inform myself as to how easy or not it is to switch e-SIMs between the 
> devices I have.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 1:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> I have had the same sim card now since my iPhone 5S. Each time I get a new 
> one I just pop the card out and put it in the new one. Easy peasy.
> 
> Chris Judge
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Julian
> Sent: October 19, 2022 8:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> The sad reality is, every time Apple shows "courage " look out, it means that 
> somethings about to get taken away. Just like every time something is done in 
> the name of "safety" it usually means some right or liberty is about to get 
> taken away, that's as far as I'll go into that on this list though. Good luck 
> in being able to get the phone that you want with a Sim tray. For my part, 
> I'm going to hold onto my SE3 which is working quite nicely and suiting my 
> needs. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'd expect it to just work. I get the situation where people want to be 
>> able to use multiple phones by just switching out the SIM card, but that's 
>> not something I'm interested in doing. When I got my iPhone 11, the person 
>> at the AT store basically just handed me my phone and I could walk out of 
>> the store with it. I asked if there was something we needed to do, like swap 
>> the SIM card, and he said no, it was all good. It was the easiest it's ever 
>> been for me to get a new phone, and it was the least amount of time I've 
>> ever spent in a carrier's store.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
>> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
>> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United 

RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Carolyn]

I think, maybe the catch to Face ID is holding the phone at least ten inches 
away from your face. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 3:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

Speaking of the home button, it isn't getting used to no home button that is a 
problem for me.  I'm getting used to face ID and that is still somewhat of an 
issue for me.  Not having a home button, is no big deal.  I just wish I could 
still have touch ID instead of face ID.

On 10/20/22, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> I think it is kind of like the Home Button; there are those who will grieve.
> I wonder how much longer the SE models will have a Home Button?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 12:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> And if all you have to do is transfer your e-SIM from your old iPhone 
> to your new one during the setup process of your new phone it would be 
> just as easy peasy.
> I understand why people who make a living reviewing products have 
> multiple phones and want to transfer a SIM from one device to another 
> a lot, but I never understood why somebody would want to spend all 
> that money to buy 2 or
> 3 high-end phones and use one this day or this week and another the 
> next. I would venture a guess and say that this is a pretty small 
> minority among phone owners.
> I haven't really read up on this, but I understand that transferring 
> an e-SIM from an old phone to a new one is a pretty easy and straight 
> forward thing. I actually switched to an e-SIM on my iPhone 11 because 
> I wanted the physical SIM tray to be available for when I travel to 
> the Philippines with my wife. I haven't bought a new phone since then 
> so I didn't have to transfer said e-SIM. Anyways, if there is an easy 
> way to transfer an e-SIM between 2 or 3 devices whenever one wants to 
> do so then the argument about the physical SIM becomes a mute point. 
> From the little I did read all it may take is a QR code from your 
> carrier and then to scan said QR code to transfer the e-SIM and before 
> I would moon over the lack of a physical SIM I would certainly want to 
> inform myself as to how easy or not it is to switch e-SIMs between the 
> devices I have.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 1:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> I have had the same sim card now since my iPhone 5S. Each time I get a 
> new one I just pop the card out and put it in the new one. Easy peasy.
>
> Chris Judge
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Julian
> Sent: October 19, 2022 8:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> The sad reality is, every time Apple shows "courage " look out, it 
> means that somethings about to get taken away. Just like every time 
> something is done in the name of "safety" it usually means some right 
> or liberty is about to get taken away, that's as far as I'll go into that on 
> this list though.
> Good luck in being able to get the phone that you want with a Sim 
> tray. For my part, I'm going to hold onto my SE3 which is working 
> quite nicely and suiting my needs.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'd expect it to just work. I get the situation where people want to 
>> be able to use multiple phones by just switching out the SIM card, 
>> but that's not something I'm interested in doing. When I got my 
>> iPhone 11, the person at the AT store basically just handed me my 
>> phone and I could walk out of the store with it. I asked if there was 
>> something we needed to do, like swap the SIM card, and he said no, it 
>> was all good. It was the easiest it's ever been for me to get a new 
>> phone, and it was the least amount of time I've ever spent in a carrier's 
>> store.
>>
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
>> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>> 14Pro 

Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Michael Irons]

I believe the SE models will have a home button as long as there’s a large 
number of people making it down that they really have to be able to go home. Rip

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2022, at 2:15 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I think it is kind of like the Home Button; there are those who will grieve. 
> I wonder how much longer the SE models will have a Home Button? 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 12:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> And if all you have to do is transfer your e-SIM from your old iPhone to your 
> new one during the setup process of your new phone it would be just as easy 
> peasy.
> I understand why people who make a living reviewing products have multiple 
> phones and want to transfer a SIM from one device to another a lot, but I 
> never understood why somebody would want to spend all that money to buy 2 or 
> 3 high-end phones and use one this day or this week and another the next. I 
> would venture a guess and say that this is a pretty small minority among 
> phone owners.
> I haven't really read up on this, but I understand that transferring an e-SIM 
> from an old phone to a new one is a pretty easy and straight forward thing. I 
> actually switched to an e-SIM on my iPhone 11 because I wanted the physical 
> SIM tray to be available for when I travel to the Philippines with my wife. I 
> haven't bought a new phone since then so I didn't have to transfer said 
> e-SIM. Anyways, if there is an easy way to transfer an e-SIM between 2 or 3 
> devices whenever one wants to do so then the argument about the physical SIM 
> becomes a mute point. From the little I did read all it may take is a QR code 
> from your carrier and then to scan said QR code to transfer the e-SIM and 
> before I would moon over the lack of a physical SIM I would certainly want to 
> inform myself as to how easy or not it is to switch e-SIMs between the 
> devices I have.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 1:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> I have had the same sim card now since my iPhone 5S. Each time I get a new 
> one I just pop the card out and put it in the new one. Easy peasy.
> 
> Chris Judge
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
> Sent: October 19, 2022 8:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> The sad reality is, every time Apple shows "courage " look out, it means that 
> somethings about to get taken away. Just like every time something is done in 
> the name of "safety" it usually means some right or liberty is about to get 
> taken away, that's as far as I'll go into that on this list though. Good luck 
> in being able to get the phone that you want with a Sim tray. For my part, 
> I'm going to hold onto my SE3 which is working quite nicely and suiting my 
> needs. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'd expect it to just work. I get the situation where people want to be 
>> able to use multiple phones by just switching out the SIM card, but that's 
>> not something I'm interested in doing. When I got my iPhone 11, the person 
>> at the AT store basically just handed me my phone and I could walk out of 
>> the store with it. I asked if there was something we needed to do, like swap 
>> the SIM card, and he said no, it was all good. It was the easiest it's ever 
>> been for me to get a new phone, and it was the least amount of time I've 
>> ever spent in a carrier's store.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
>> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
>> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>> 
>> When I got my 13 pro max, I put in my sim card from my iPhone 8 for the 
>> first time.  It was surprisingly easy.  I wonder what would happen if I took 
>> the sim card from my 13 pro max and put it back into my iPhone 8.
>> 
 On 10/19/22, dandrews...@comcast.net  wrote:
>>> I am not an expert in these things, but I think that phones in 
>>> specific countries are set up to use the cell bands in use in that 
>>> country, so if you 

Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Speaking of the home button, it isn't getting used to no home button
that is a problem for me.  I'm getting used to face ID and that is
still somewhat of an issue for me.  Not having a home button, is no
big deal.  I just wish I could still have touch ID instead of face ID.

On 10/20/22, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> I think it is kind of like the Home Button; there are those who will grieve.
> I wonder how much longer the SE models will have a Home Button?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 12:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> And if all you have to do is transfer your e-SIM from your old iPhone to
> your new one during the setup process of your new phone it would be just as
> easy peasy.
> I understand why people who make a living reviewing products have multiple
> phones and want to transfer a SIM from one device to another a lot, but I
> never understood why somebody would want to spend all that money to buy 2 or
> 3 high-end phones and use one this day or this week and another the next. I
> would venture a guess and say that this is a pretty small minority among
> phone owners.
> I haven't really read up on this, but I understand that transferring an
> e-SIM from an old phone to a new one is a pretty easy and straight forward
> thing. I actually switched to an e-SIM on my iPhone 11 because I wanted the
> physical SIM tray to be available for when I travel to the Philippines with
> my wife. I haven't bought a new phone since then so I didn't have to
> transfer said e-SIM. Anyways, if there is an easy way to transfer an e-SIM
> between 2 or 3 devices whenever one wants to do so then the argument about
> the physical SIM becomes a mute point. From the little I did read all it may
> take is a QR code from your carrier and then to scan said QR code to
> transfer the e-SIM and before I would moon over the lack of a physical SIM I
> would certainly want to inform myself as to how easy or not it is to switch
> e-SIMs between the devices I have.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 1:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> I have had the same sim card now since my iPhone 5S. Each time I get a new
> one I just pop the card out and put it in the new one. Easy peasy.
>
> Chris Judge
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Julian
> Sent: October 19, 2022 8:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> The sad reality is, every time Apple shows "courage " look out, it means
> that somethings about to get taken away. Just like every time something is
> done in the name of "safety" it usually means some right or liberty is about
> to get taken away, that's as far as I'll go into that on this list though.
> Good luck in being able to get the phone that you want with a Sim tray. For
> my part, I'm going to hold onto my SE3 which is working quite nicely and
> suiting my needs.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'd expect it to just work. I get the situation where people want to be
>> able to use multiple phones by just switching out the SIM card, but that's
>> not something I'm interested in doing. When I got my iPhone 11, the person
>> at the AT store basically just handed me my phone and I could walk out
>> of the store with it. I asked if there was something we needed to do, like
>> swap the SIM card, and he said no, it was all good. It was the easiest
>> it's ever been for me to get a new phone, and it was the least amount of
>> time I've ever spent in a carrier's store.
>>
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
>> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro
>> Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>
>> When I got my 13 pro max, I put in my sim card from my iPhone 8 for the
>> first time.  It was surprisingly easy.  I wonder what would happen if I
>> took the sim card from my 13 pro max and put it back into my iPhone 8.
>>
>>> On 10/19/22, dandrews...@comcast.net  wrote:
>>> I am not an expert in these things, but I think that phones in
>>> specific countries are set up to use the cell bands in use in that
>>> 

RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Carolyn]

I think it is kind of like the Home Button; there are those who will grieve. I 
wonder how much longer the SE models will have a Home Button? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 12:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

And if all you have to do is transfer your e-SIM from your old iPhone to your 
new one during the setup process of your new phone it would be just as easy 
peasy.
I understand why people who make a living reviewing products have multiple 
phones and want to transfer a SIM from one device to another a lot, but I never 
understood why somebody would want to spend all that money to buy 2 or 3 
high-end phones and use one this day or this week and another the next. I would 
venture a guess and say that this is a pretty small minority among phone owners.
I haven't really read up on this, but I understand that transferring an e-SIM 
from an old phone to a new one is a pretty easy and straight forward thing. I 
actually switched to an e-SIM on my iPhone 11 because I wanted the physical SIM 
tray to be available for when I travel to the Philippines with my wife. I 
haven't bought a new phone since then so I didn't have to transfer said e-SIM. 
Anyways, if there is an easy way to transfer an e-SIM between 2 or 3 devices 
whenever one wants to do so then the argument about the physical SIM becomes a 
mute point. From the little I did read all it may take is a QR code from your 
carrier and then to scan said QR code to transfer the e-SIM and before I would 
moon over the lack of a physical SIM I would certainly want to inform myself as 
to how easy or not it is to switch e-SIMs between the devices I have.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 1:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

I have had the same sim card now since my iPhone 5S. Each time I get a new one 
I just pop the card out and put it in the new one. Easy peasy.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: October 19, 2022 8:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

The sad reality is, every time Apple shows "courage " look out, it means that 
somethings about to get taken away. Just like every time something is done in 
the name of "safety" it usually means some right or liberty is about to get 
taken away, that's as far as I'll go into that on this list though. Good luck 
in being able to get the phone that you want with a Sim tray. For my part, I'm 
going to hold onto my SE3 which is working quite nicely and suiting my needs. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'd expect it to just work. I get the situation where people want to be able 
> to use multiple phones by just switching out the SIM card, but that's not 
> something I'm interested in doing. When I got my iPhone 11, the person at the 
> AT store basically just handed me my phone and I could walk out of the 
> store with it. I asked if there was something we needed to do, like swap the 
> SIM card, and he said no, it was all good. It was the easiest it's ever been 
> for me to get a new phone, and it was the least amount of time I've ever 
> spent in a carrier's store.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> When I got my 13 pro max, I put in my sim card from my iPhone 8 for the first 
> time.  It was surprisingly easy.  I wonder what would happen if I took the 
> sim card from my 13 pro max and put it back into my iPhone 8.
> 
>> On 10/19/22, dandrews...@comcast.net  wrote:
>> I am not an expert in these things, but I think that phones in 
>> specific countries are set up to use the cell bands in use in that 
>> country, so if you buy one from outside the United States, you could have 
>> problems, in theory.
>> I could be wrong, but if it were me, I would investigate.
>> 
>> Well, actually if it were me which I am, I just got a simless 14 Pro.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of lenron brown
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 4:36 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> 

Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Cara Quinn]

Sieghard and all,

To be fair, I think this thread is actually relevant in that there have been 
other discussions here about accessibility / bugs between iOS versions where 
someone might actually feel like they want to move a sim to another phone 
running a different OS for accessibility reasons. So I personally am finding 
this topic super useful and informative.

Even for the accessibility of the physical process of switching sim cards that 
some folks may not have done before; that kind of discussion would also be 
appropriate here.

For myself, in using different phones for writing / testing software, I'll 
occasionally switch sim cards but as has been said, that sort of situation is 
not for everyone.

Anyway, regardless, the whole topic of esim vs sim can be valuable here, I 
think.

Just my thoughts, and thanks for such a great discussion.

Cheers!

Cara


> On Oct 19, 2022, at 9:42 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> It maybe perfectly reasonable as far as it goes, but apart from Mark being 
> the list moderator the question also has little or nothing to do with the 
> purpose of this list which is about the iPhone's accessibility features and 
> physical SIM or e-SIM do not factor into accessibility.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:19 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> I think Mark’s question is perfectly reasonable and has become confused with 
> other issues.
> 
> Here in the UK my understanding is that iPhone models come with a removable 
> SIM tray.  When I discussed ESIM with my provider EE the person I spoke to 
> was far from advising me that an ESIM was the way to go.
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> 
>> On 19 Oct 2022, at 22:27, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Peter, with all do respect, this is not the same as the removal of the 
>> headphone jack.
>> 
>> In that instance, the jack was removed from all new models of the phone, 
>> regardless of from where they were purchased.
>> 
>> I did not start this thread to engage in a debate.
>> 
>> Each person is free to purchase his /her preferred device.
>> 
>> In my case, I will do my best to obtain the model that allows me the 
>> greatest wireless carrier flexibility.
>> 
>> So, let's keep this thread on point; said point being how, if possible, to 
>> purchase iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray from within the United States.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Peter 
>> Logan
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 2:18 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
>> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>> 
>> This is like the headphone jack controversy all over again ..  LOL 
>> 
>> Get ready for it again in a couple of years when the lightening port .. or 
>> at the time USBC port goes away ..
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
>> Taylor
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
>> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>> 
>> Well said, Julian.
>> 
>> In addition, if I pay the same money for a product as those outside the US, 
>> then I expect the same feature set.  It really is that simple.  To me, 
>> selling a phone model that does not offer the same features but that costs 
>> the same price as the enhanced model, is insulting.
>> 
>> Just my opinion, of course.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 9:20 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
>> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>> 
>> For what it's worth, some of us simply just enjoy the freedom of switching 
>> our Sim card between phones without having to interact with our carrier. 
>> Remember the good ole days of CDMA? Were you had to interact with the 
>> carrier and give them your electronic serial number every time you wanted to 
>> switch phones? I realize that eSIM is nowhere near as draconian, but still, 
>> some of us just enjoy that freedom and enjoy that method and it should not 
>> be taken away from us. Therefore, I fully understand why Mark wants to go 
>> through the trouble of finding an iPhone 14 that still allows him the 
>> flexibility. Not that I'm necessarily in the market for an iPhone 14, but, I 
>> will be watching this discussion with interest. I'm certain that some of my 
>> clients will asked similar questions so I would like to have good info to 
>> give them. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 

RE: reviewing messages sent with siri

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I haven't noticed it, but if you can reproduce this consistently I would 
definitely write to accessibil...@apple.com and 
report it as a bug.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fazil M.
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 9:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: reviewing messages sent with siri

In my dictation, Voiceover loses focus when I end the dictation with two-finger 
double-tap and I have to find where I was typing. It was not the case in 
earlier versions of iOS.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 9:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: reviewing messages sent with siri

Hello Deidra,

All I can say that maybe it will be a better choice for you not to update to 
the latest iOS version next time right away. Wait a few weeks and read what 
people have to say.
Having said this I am not sure why some people seem to be having such issues 
with dictation where most don't seem to have them. Yes, I do run into the issue 
that instead of the magic tap ending dictation it will start whatever audio I 
was playing last, but then usually a second 2-finger double tap will end 
dictation Hopefully those who experience this will report it to Apple 
Accessibility, but in any case, this also happened to me in iOS 15 so it's 
certainly not a new bug introduced in iOS 16.
I would advise to upgrade to iOS 16.1 next Monday when it is released to the 
public as this should clear up many issues which people still experience. Also, 
if maybe something didn't go quite right with the original update and that is 
the reason why you are having so many issues then doing this upgrade properly 
may help. When I say properly I mean to do just a couple of things before the 
upgrade:

1. Close all apps from the app switcher
2. As a minimum reboot your phone, I suggest you go to Settings > General > 
Reset and select Reset Network Settings which also reboots, but it also clears 
other things and may result in an improved pgrade experience. You do have to 
re-enter your Wi-Fi password after doing this and go to Settings > General > 
About and rename you riPhone to what you want, e.g. Diedre's iPhone" because 
Reset Network Settings changes whatever name you had to just "iPhone".

After that do the update and once your iPhone boots up again and you sign in 
use it for a few hours and then shut it down one more time and start it up 
again.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of deidre 
muccio
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 4:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: reviewing messages sent with siri

Well I revert back to my 6S for sending text messages and things that require 
more extensive dictation because I do not like hooking my phone up to a 
Bluetooth keyboard mostly because I don’t care to have extra things lying 
around and I don’t have a lot of extra surface workspace. So that’s 
unfortunate. I’ve got an SE 2020 that doesn’t work so well since updating to 
16. But it’s the phone I have phone service on so it’s the phone I use plus of 
course can’t use the 6S with the version it has on it for many of the apps that 
required updating, which is fine. I don’t mind updating but I do mind it when 
it’s a buggy update!
Deidre
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 19, 2022, at 11:09 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

It seems at this point  you can't any more unless you start the text message in 
messages and use the "Dictate" button.
I am also a bit ticked off at this, before after I told SIRI to send a text 
message and it would repeat it back I could just touch the screen and then near 
the top I'd find my message and I could double tap on it and edit any mistakes 
and this seems to be no longer possible.
Maybe Apple thinks Siri is perfect now and there is no need for editing but of 
course this is BS because Siri sometimes is ridiculous when it comes to writing 
stuff nobody said.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Paula 
Jordan
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 2:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: reviewing messages sent with siri

Hi all. Yet one more IOS 16 question. How can you review text messages sent 
with siri before sending? Thanks again. You guys are great!
God bless!
Paula and the pups
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RE: reviewing messages sent with siri

[Fazil M.]

In my dictation, Voiceover loses focus when I end the dictation with two-finger 
double-tap and I have to find where I was typing. It was not the case in 
earlier versions of iOS.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 9:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: reviewing messages sent with siri

 

Hello Deidra,

 

All I can say that maybe it will be a better choice for you not to update to 
the latest iOS version next time right away. Wait a few weeks and read what 
people have to say.

Having said this I am not sure why some people seem to be having such issues 
with dictation where most don't seem to have them. Yes, I do run into the issue 
that instead of the magic tap ending dictation it will start whatever audio I 
was playing last, but then usually a second 2-finger double tap will end 
dictation Hopefully those who experience this will report it to Apple 
Accessibility, but in any case, this also happened to me in iOS 15 so it's 
certainly not a new bug introduced in iOS 16.

I would advise to upgrade to iOS 16.1 next Monday when it is released to the 
public as this should clear up many issues which people still experience. Also, 
if maybe something didn't go quite right with the original update and that is 
the reason why you are having so many issues then doing this upgrade properly 
may help. When I say properly I mean to do just a couple of things before the 
upgrade:

 

1. Close all apps from the app switcher

2. As a minimum reboot your phone, I suggest you go to Settings > General > 
Reset and select Reset Network Settings which also reboots, but it also clears 
other things and may result in an improved pgrade experience. You do have to 
re-enter your Wi-Fi password after doing this and go to Settings > General > 
About and rename you riPhone to what you want, e.g. Diedre's iPhone" because 
Reset Network Settings changes whatever name you had to just "iPhone".

 

After that do the update and once your iPhone boots up again and you sign in 
use it for a few hours and then shut it down one more time and start it up 
again.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
deidre muccio
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 4:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: reviewing messages sent with siri

 

Well I revert back to my 6S for sending text messages and things that require 
more extensive dictation because I do not like hooking my phone up to a 
Bluetooth keyboard mostly because I don’t care to have extra things lying 
around and I don’t have a lot of extra surface workspace. So that’s 
unfortunate. I’ve got an SE 2020 that doesn’t work so well since updating to 
16. But it’s the phone I have phone service on so it’s the phone I use plus of 
course can’t use the 6S with the version it has on it for many of the apps that 
required updating, which is fine. I don’t mind updating but I do mind it when 
it’s a buggy update!

Deidre

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Oct 19, 2022, at 11:09 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

It seems at this point  you can't any more unless you start the text message in 
messages and use the "Dictate" button.

I am also a bit ticked off at this, before after I told SIRI to send a text 
message and it would repeat it back I could just touch the screen and then near 
the top I'd find my message and I could double tap on it and edit any mistakes 
and this seems to be no longer possible.

Maybe Apple thinks Siri is perfect now and there is no need for editing but of 
course this is BS because Siri sometimes is ridiculous when it comes to writing 
stuff nobody said.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Paula Jordan
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 2:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: reviewing messages sent with siri

 

Hi all. Yet one more IOS 16 question. How can you review text messages sent 
with siri before sending? Thanks again. You guys are great!

God bless!

Paula and the pups

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RE: reviewing messages sent with siri

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hello Deidra,

All I can say that maybe it will be a better choice for you not to update to 
the latest iOS version next time right away. Wait a few weeks and read what 
people have to say.
Having said this I am not sure why some people seem to be having such issues 
with dictation where most don't seem to have them. Yes, I do run into the issue 
that instead of the magic tap ending dictation it will start whatever audio I 
was playing last, but then usually a second 2-finger double tap will end 
dictation Hopefully those who experience this will report it to Apple 
Accessibility, but in any case, this also happened to me in iOS 15 so it's 
certainly not a new bug introduced in iOS 16.
I would advise to upgrade to iOS 16.1 next Monday when it is released to the 
public as this should clear up many issues which people still experience. Also, 
if maybe something didn't go quite right with the original update and that is 
the reason why you are having so many issues then doing this upgrade properly 
may help. When I say properly I mean to do just a couple of things before the 
upgrade:

1. Close all apps from the app switcher
2. As a minimum reboot your phone, I suggest you go to Settings > General > 
Reset and select Reset Network Settings which also reboots, but it also clears 
other things and may result in an improved pgrade experience. You do have to 
re-enter your Wi-Fi password after doing this and go to Settings > General > 
About and rename you riPhone to what you want, e.g. Diedre's iPhone" because 
Reset Network Settings changes whatever name you had to just "iPhone".

After that do the update and once your iPhone boots up again and you sign in 
use it for a few hours and then shut it down one more time and start it up 
again.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
muccio
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 4:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: reviewing messages sent with siri

Well I revert back to my 6S for sending text messages and things that require 
more extensive dictation because I do not like hooking my phone up to a 
Bluetooth keyboard mostly because I don’t care to have extra things lying 
around and I don’t have a lot of extra surface workspace. So that’s 
unfortunate. I’ve got an SE 2020 that doesn’t work so well since updating to 
16. But it’s the phone I have phone service on so it’s the phone I use plus of 
course can’t use the 6S with the version it has on it for many of the apps that 
required updating, which is fine. I don’t mind updating but I do mind it when 
it’s a buggy update!
Deidre
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 19, 2022, at 11:09 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

It seems at this point  you can't any more unless you start the text message in 
messages and use the "Dictate" button.
I am also a bit ticked off at this, before after I told SIRI to send a text 
message and it would repeat it back I could just touch the screen and then near 
the top I'd find my message and I could double tap on it and edit any mistakes 
and this seems to be no longer possible.
Maybe Apple thinks Siri is perfect now and there is no need for editing but of 
course this is BS because Siri sometimes is ridiculous when it comes to writing 
stuff nobody said.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Paula 
Jordan
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 2:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: reviewing messages sent with siri

Hi all. Yet one more IOS 16 question. How can you review text messages sent 
with siri before sending? Thanks again. You guys are great!
God bless!
Paula and the pups
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RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And if all you have to do is transfer your e-SIM from your old iPhone to your 
new one during the setup process of your new phone it would be just as easy 
peasy.
I understand why people who make a living reviewing products have multiple 
phones and want to transfer a SIM from one device to another a lot, but I never 
understood why somebody would want to spend all that money to buy 2 or 3 
high-end phones and use one this day or this week and another the next. I would 
venture a guess and say that this is a pretty small minority among phone owners.
I haven't really read up on this, but I understand that transferring an e-SIM 
from an old phone to a new one is a pretty easy and straight forward thing. I 
actually switched to an e-SIM on my iPhone 11 because I wanted the physical SIM 
tray to be available for when I travel to the Philippines with my wife. I 
haven't bought a new phone since then so I didn't have to transfer said e-SIM. 
Anyways, if there is an easy way to transfer an e-SIM between 2 or 3 devices 
whenever one wants to do so then the argument about the physical SIM becomes a 
mute point. From the little I did read all it may take is a QR code from your 
carrier and then to scan said QR code to transfer the e-SIM and before I would 
moon over the lack of a physical SIM I would certainly want to inform myself as 
to how easy or not it is to switch e-SIMs between the devices I have.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 1:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

I have had the same sim card now since my iPhone 5S. Each time I get a new one 
I just pop the card out and put it in the new one. Easy peasy.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: October 19, 2022 8:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

The sad reality is, every time Apple shows "courage " look out, it means that 
somethings about to get taken away. Just like every time something is done in 
the name of "safety" it usually means some right or liberty is about to get 
taken away, that's as far as I'll go into that on this list though. Good luck 
in being able to get the phone that you want with a Sim tray. For my part, I'm 
going to hold onto my SE3 which is working quite nicely and suiting my needs. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'd expect it to just work. I get the situation where people want to be able 
> to use multiple phones by just switching out the SIM card, but that's not 
> something I'm interested in doing. When I got my iPhone 11, the person at the 
> AT store basically just handed me my phone and I could walk out of the 
> store with it. I asked if there was something we needed to do, like swap the 
> SIM card, and he said no, it was all good. It was the easiest it's ever been 
> for me to get a new phone, and it was the least amount of time I've ever 
> spent in a carrier's store.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> When I got my 13 pro max, I put in my sim card from my iPhone 8 for the first 
> time.  It was surprisingly easy.  I wonder what would happen if I took the 
> sim card from my 13 pro max and put it back into my iPhone 8.
> 
>> On 10/19/22, dandrews...@comcast.net  wrote:
>> I am not an expert in these things, but I think that phones in 
>> specific countries are set up to use the cell bands in use in that 
>> country, so if you buy one from outside the United States, you could have 
>> problems, in theory.
>> I could be wrong, but if it were me, I would investigate.
>> 
>> Well, actually if it were me which I am, I just got a simless 14 Pro.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of lenron brown
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 4:36 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>> 
>> 13 pro max, unless you order from outside the states. This is pretty 
>> much the only way, unless you have someone buy it and send it to you.
>> being someone that loves having the freedom to swap devices I get not 
>> wanting this 14 pro max.
>> 
>>> On 10/19/22, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>> I do the same, Regina, 

Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Kelly Pierce]

Apple makes six variants of each version of the iPhone 14 lineup.  The
different variants have unique cell phone frequencies for the region
of the phone.  For example, American cell phone carriers use
frequencies used in no other part of the world.  Outside the big metro
areas, carriers support fewer frequencies and in some rural areas only
one or two.  While most people won’t notice much of a difference on a
two-week vacation, it could be the case where everyone around you has
signal but you in a given place because you have many fewer
frequencies to use on your device.  Already on my carrier, staff
becomes upset when people swap SIM cards with different phones. That’s
because network services are attached to the unique serial number on
the phone. For example, 5G network services and frequencies are made
available to devices registered to have 5G technology.  eSIM is the
future except in totalitarian regimes like the People’s republic of
China, where freedoms are limited.

Here’s an article with more details:

https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/which-iphone-models-have-5g/



Kelly




On 10/20/22, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> My guess is that eventually, SIM cards will be like analog - outdated. I am
> sorry for those who feel that SIM cards are important, but as I keep telling
> my husband, life goes on whether or not we do.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 11:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> Then you should not support Apple by buying a phone which does not meet your
> requirements. Maybe if enough people do this Apple will put a SIM tray into
> the iPhone 15 again although I personally probably wouldn't hold my breath.
> It would seem that e-SIM is where ?Apple thinks the world is going or maybe
> where they should go so they are giving it a helping hand.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
> Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 2:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> Well said, Julian.
>
> In addition, if I pay the same money for a product as those outside the US,
> then I expect the same feature set.  It really is that simple.  To me,
> selling a phone model that does not offer the same features but that costs
> the same price as the enhanced model, is insulting.
>
> Just my opinion, of course.
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Julian
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 9:20 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> For what it's worth, some of us simply just enjoy the freedom of switching
> our Sim card between phones without having to interact with our carrier.
> Remember the good ole days of CDMA? Were you had to interact with the
> carrier and give them your electronic serial number every time you wanted to
> switch phones? I realize that eSIM is nowhere near as draconian, but still,
> some of us just enjoy that freedom and enjoy that method and it should not
> be taken away from us. Therefore, I fully understand why Mark wants to go
> through the trouble of finding an iPhone 14 that still allows him the
> flexibility. Not that I'm necessarily in the market for an iPhone 14, but, I
> will be watching this discussion with interest. I'm certain that some of my
> clients will asked similar questions so I would like to have good info to
> give them.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 4:29 AM, Star Gazer 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Wondering that too
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> llump...@austin.rr.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro
>> Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>
>> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works just
>> fine?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
>> Taylor
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max
>> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> And so it begins.
>>
>> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at iPhone
>> 14 Pro Max.
>>
>> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
>>
>> While discussing this with a store manager, I was 

Re: A Question for Star Trek, Picard Fans

[Andy Baracco]

My wife has vision, but likes the audio description because she can 
multitask and still know what's going on with the story on the TV.


Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher Chaltain" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 4:27 AM
Subject: RE: A Question for Star Trek, Picard Fans


I wouldn't say my son likes video description, but he does like it when 
watching a movie with me. He's curious about what video description chooses 
to describe, and he's interested in seeing how I experience a movie.


--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com

Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 12:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Question for Star Trek, Picard Fans

You are lucky to have such a wife.  I have close friends who will not watch 
a described movie with me because they hate description so much.


Regards,

James

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner

Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 10:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Question for Star Trek, Picard Fans

My sighted wife also enjoys audio description.  Especially on mysteries. 
They often point out things she would have missed. 





Richard, USA.
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA 
Robles

Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 7:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Question for Star Trek, Picard Fans

Well, my mom is not a fan of audio description at all. It’s too distracting 
for her seeing as she can see. my dad doesn’t mind it, but I think he just 
does it for the benefit of me or you know what benefits me sometimes. But I 
do know subsided, people that enjoy it. One of my friends is an audio 
describer technically being a reader that reads the audio description script 
that was written for him I think he even does the Picard series. His name is 
Roy Samuelson. He enjoys listening to audio description as well. He is fully 
sided.


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 19, 2022, at 7:16 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:


Lana,
Mark was saying the videos do not include the Audio Description track, but 
he failed to use the word "description" in his statement.
Yes, they have the full audio and sound effects, minus the description 
track for the blind.
Apparently, if you want to buy the video, with full audio including audio 
description, you need to buy it through Prime.
I personally am fine with just the free MP3 with no video but all the 
sounds plus audio description.  My wife who is sighted, isn't a big fan of 
Sci-Fi.






Richard, USA.
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with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the
Universe

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Lana
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; M. Taylor 
Subject: Re: A Question for Star Trek, Picard Fans

Are you saying that the episodes come with video only? No dialogue or 
music, or sound effects? or anything? That doesn't make sense, even for a 
sighted viewer.



On 10/18/2022 11:03 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
Hello Everyone,

Well, a list member who is also a Star Trek fan, just purchased Picard, 
Season 1, from the iTunes store.  He plans to buy season 2, also, from 
iTunes.


He informed me that the audio track is not included in the purchase.

Wow!

I am so surprised given that the audio track is included on Amazon Prime 
Video.


Given that the show was produced at the Amazon Studios, I guess I should 
not be too surprised, at that.


Like all of my other television series purchases from iTunes, I probably 
wouldn't let the lack of an audio track stop me from purchasing the show 
but if I can get the same episodes, at the same price, with audio 
description from Amazon Prime Video, then so be it.


Well, off to the Amazon Prime Video Store, I go.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Richard Turner

Attaching a photo to an email

[Alex Stone]

How do you attach a photo to a yahoo email
Alex

Sent from my iPhone


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RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Richard Turner]

Maybe those who really want a physical sim card should check out the new iPad 
that was announced on Thursday.  10.9 inch with a physical SIM on those 
units... much cheaper than an iPhone 14 pro max...




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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 2:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

My guess is that eventually, SIM cards will be like analog - outdated. I am 
sorry for those who feel that SIM cards are important, but as I keep telling my 
husband, life goes on whether or not we do. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 11:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

Then you should not support Apple by buying a phone which does not meet your 
requirements. Maybe if enough people do this Apple will put a SIM tray into the 
iPhone 15 again although I personally probably wouldn't hold my breath. It 
would seem that e-SIM is where ?Apple thinks the world is going or maybe where 
they should go so they are giving it a helping hand.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 2:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

Well said, Julian.

In addition, if I pay the same money for a product as those outside the US, 
then I expect the same feature set.  It really is that simple.  To me, selling 
a phone model that does not offer the same features but that costs the same 
price as the enhanced model, is insulting.

Just my opinion, of course.

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 9:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

For what it's worth, some of us simply just enjoy the freedom of switching our 
Sim card between phones without having to interact with our carrier. Remember 
the good ole days of CDMA? Were you had to interact with the carrier and give 
them your electronic serial number every time you wanted to switch phones? I 
realize that eSIM is nowhere near as draconian, but still, some of us just 
enjoy that freedom and enjoy that method and it should not be taken away from 
us. Therefore, I fully understand why Mark wants to go through the trouble of 
finding an iPhone 14 that still allows him the flexibility. Not that I'm 
necessarily in the market for an iPhone 14, but, I will be watching this 
discussion with interest. I'm certain that some of my clients will asked 
similar questions so I would like to have good info to give them. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 4:29 AM, Star Gazer  wrote:
> 
> Wondering that too 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> llump...@austin.rr.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works just fine?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with 
> a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> Hello Everyone, 
> 
> And so it begins.
> 
> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at iPhone 14 
> Pro Max.  
> 
> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
> 
> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised to learn 
> that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by customers who only 
> want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.  He told me that they are 
> working on crafting an in-store response to the enquiries designed to 
> discouraged customers from seeking a physical SIM tray.  He followed that up 
> by saying, "I know you, Mark, and no response is going to keep you from 
> getting that SIM tray model, if that is what you want."  (smile)  He is a 
> very smart man (smile).
> 
> So, the search begins.
> 
> Does anyone know away to 

RE: Dictation in upcoming IOS version

[Richard Turner]

I honestly do not use dictation a ton, but I have not found the issues others 
are reporting in 16.0.3.  I can stop and start and not lose my place.

I chose not to do the betas since I only have one device.




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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 11:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Dictation in upcoming IOS version

I used to use dictation for text messages all the time.  However, since getting 
my Hable One, I don't use dictation any more.  IOS 16 certainly has some bugs 
to work out.

On 10/20/22, Julian  wrote:
> Not to mention that more than half the time when you do the two finger 
> double tap to stop dictation, music starts playing. Overall, dictation 
> under iOS 16.1 is definitely become a bit erratic. Despite many of us 
> I am certain reporting it to Apple via the Feedback app.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 8:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>> That is interesting, apart from not being able to currently edit a 
>> text message if I use Siri entirely to send it I have no issues with 
>> dictation not working as always on my iPhone 11. It starts right away 
>> and ends when I do a 2-finger double tap to stop it. I don't recall 
>> that it puts me in different spots in the edit field and it seems to 
>> work as accurately for me as it always has which means it does make 
>> mistakes, but not more than in iOS 15 at least not so I'd notice.
>> I use dictation all the time by the way, often for text messages 
>> which mostly are shorter, but also for emails and sometimes I will 
>> dictate longer emails.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Gordon
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 8:12 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Dictation in upcoming IOS version
>>
>> I spoke with Mark last night and cleared this with him based on the 
>> nature of the issue. So as you know IOS 16.1 will be arriving on 
>> Monday for the public. right now us beta testers are working with 
>> what is called the release candidate. this is the final version that 
>> will go public. I'm experiencing huge issues with dictation. If 
>> dictation is something you rely on on a daily basis, you might want 
>> to follow this group closely once this version goes public instead of 
>> getting it yourself right away. Some of the issues I'm facing are as 
>> follows. Huge inaccuracies, long delays when starting and stopping 
>> dictation and placing you in different positions within the edit box if you 
>> start and stop dictation frequently.
>> I imagine that we probably have users here on the group who use their 
>> phones for work and other things where they need dictation to work 
>> well for them. And especially for those who might deal with issues 
>> relating to their fingers not being able to type all that well and rely on 
>> dictation.
>> It's not guaranteed that the version I have will go out on Monday 
>> because they could either fix this or push out another release 
>> candidate before the weekend. So I will let you know sometime this 
>> weekend if things are a little better so you can have the information 
>> on Monday when the software is available for your device. I just 
>> wanted to get this information out here now for those who might not 
>> check the group every day. I just didn't want anyone to be stuck with 
>> this if dictation hasn't improved and you need it to work well for 
>> how you use your phone. I've never seen it this busted since I've been an 
>> IOS user going back to 2016.
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RE: Mail item disappeared from my dock

[Christopher Chaltain]

I don't know why it disappeared, but you could find it in your Apps Library and 
then move it back into the dock or onto a home screen. When you get to your 
last home screen, do a three finger swipe left to get to the Appls Library. You 
can then use the search field at the top of the screen, or after tapping 
somewhere in the middle of the screen, do a three finger swipe up to 
alphabetize the list. Once you find the app you're looking for, use the normal 
VoiceOver gestures to move the app where you want.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
k...@axistech.net
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mail item disappeared from my dock

The other day for reasons I don't understand, the Mail item which used to be on 
the bottom of my iPhone screen along with phone, safari, etc., has disappeared. 
Can anyone tell me how to get it back?

Karl


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RE: Mail item disappeared from my dock

[Carolyn]

Ask Siri to launch the app, Karl, then back out of it and move it back to the 
Dock. 

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k...@axistech.net
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 8:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mail item disappeared from my dock

The other day for reasons I don't understand, the Mail item which used to be on 
the bottom of my iPhone screen along with phone, safari, etc., has disappeared. 
Can anyone tell me how to get it back?

Karl


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Mail item disappeared from my dock

[karl]

The other day for reasons I don't understand, the Mail item which used to be on 
the bottom of my iPhone screen along with phone, safari, etc., has disappeared. 
Can anyone tell me how to get it back?

Karl


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RE: A Question for Star Trek, Picard Fans

[Christopher Chaltain]

I wouldn't say my son likes video description, but he does like it when 
watching a movie with me. He's curious about what video description chooses to 
describe, and he's interested in seeing how I experience a movie.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 12:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Question for Star Trek, Picard Fans

You are lucky to have such a wife.  I have close friends who will not watch a 
described movie with me because they hate description so much.

Regards,

James  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 10:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Question for Star Trek, Picard Fans

My sighted wife also enjoys audio description.  Especially on mysteries.  They 
often point out things she would have missed. 




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA 
Robles
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 7:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Question for Star Trek, Picard Fans

Well, my mom is not a fan of audio description at all. It’s too distracting for 
her seeing as she can see. my dad doesn’t mind it, but I think he just does it 
for the benefit of me or you know what benefits me sometimes. But I do know 
subsided, people that enjoy it. One of my friends is an audio describer 
technically being a reader that reads the audio description script that was 
written for him I think he even does the Picard series. His name is Roy 
Samuelson. He enjoys listening to audio description as well. He is fully sided.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 7:16 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Lana,
> Mark was saying the videos do not include the Audio Description track, but he 
> failed to use the word "description" in his statement.
> Yes, they have the full audio and sound effects, minus the description track 
> for the blind.
> Apparently, if you want to buy the video, with full audio including audio 
> description, you need to buy it through Prime.
> I personally am fine with just the free MP3 with no video but all the sounds 
> plus audio description.  My wife who is sighted, isn't a big fan of Sci-Fi.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
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> with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the 
> Universe
> 
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Lana
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:56 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; M. Taylor 
> Subject: Re: A Question for Star Trek, Picard Fans
> 
> Are you saying that the episodes come with video only? No dialogue or music, 
> or sound effects? or anything? That doesn't make sense, even for a sighted 
> viewer.
> 
>> On 10/18/2022 11:03 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> Well, a list member who is also a Star Trek fan, just purchased Picard, 
>> Season 1, from the iTunes store.  He plans to buy season 2, also, from 
>> iTunes.
>> 
>> He informed me that the audio track is not included in the purchase.
>> 
>> Wow!
>> 
>> I am so surprised given that the audio track is included on Amazon Prime 
>> Video.
>> 
>> Given that the show was produced at the Amazon Studios, I guess I should not 
>> be too surprised, at that.
>> 
>> Like all of my other television series purchases from iTunes, I probably 
>> wouldn't let the lack of an audio track stop me from purchasing the show but 
>> if I can get the same episodes, at the same price, with audio description 
>> from Amazon Prime Video, then so be it.
>> 
>> Well, off to the Amazon Prime Video Store, I go.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:39 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: A Question for Star Trek, Picard Fans
>> 
>> I have not 

Re: reviewing messages sent with siri

[deidre muccio]

Well I revert back to my 6S for sending text messages and things that require 
more extensive dictation because I do not like hooking my phone up to a 
Bluetooth keyboard mostly because I don’t care to have extra things lying 
around and I don’t have a lot of extra surface workspace. So that’s 
unfortunate. I’ve got an SE 2020 that doesn’t work so well since updating to 
16. But it’s the phone I have phone service on so it’s the phone I use plus of 
course can’t use the 6S with the version it has on it for many of the apps that 
required updating, which is fine. I don’t mind updating but I do mind it when 
it’s a buggy update!
Deidre

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 11:09 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> It seems at this point  you can't any more unless you start the text message 
> in messages and use the "Dictate" button.
> I am also a bit ticked off at this, before after I told SIRI to send a text 
> message and it would repeat it back I could just touch the screen and then 
> near the top I'd find my message and I could double tap on it and edit any 
> mistakes and this seems to be no longer possible.
> Maybe Apple thinks Siri is perfect now and there is no need for editing but 
> of course this is BS because Siri sometimes is ridiculous when it comes to 
> writing stuff nobody said.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Paula 
> Jordan
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 2:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: reviewing messages sent with siri
>  
> Hi all. Yet one more IOS 16 question. How can you review text messages sent 
> with siri before sending? Thanks again. You guys are great!
> God bless!
> Paula and the pups
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RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Carolyn]

My guess is that eventually, SIM cards will be like analog - outdated. I am 
sorry for those who feel that SIM cards are important, but as I keep telling my 
husband, life goes on whether or not we do. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 11:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

Then you should not support Apple by buying a phone which does not meet your 
requirements. Maybe if enough people do this Apple will put a SIM tray into the 
iPhone 15 again although I personally probably wouldn't hold my breath. It 
would seem that e-SIM is where ?Apple thinks the world is going or maybe where 
they should go so they are giving it a helping hand.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 2:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

Well said, Julian.

In addition, if I pay the same money for a product as those outside the US, 
then I expect the same feature set.  It really is that simple.  To me, selling 
a phone model that does not offer the same features but that costs the same 
price as the enhanced model, is insulting.

Just my opinion, of course.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 9:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

For what it's worth, some of us simply just enjoy the freedom of switching our 
Sim card between phones without having to interact with our carrier. Remember 
the good ole days of CDMA? Were you had to interact with the carrier and give 
them your electronic serial number every time you wanted to switch phones? I 
realize that eSIM is nowhere near as draconian, but still, some of us just 
enjoy that freedom and enjoy that method and it should not be taken away from 
us. Therefore, I fully understand why Mark wants to go through the trouble of 
finding an iPhone 14 that still allows him the flexibility. Not that I'm 
necessarily in the market for an iPhone 14, but, I will be watching this 
discussion with interest. I'm certain that some of my clients will asked 
similar questions so I would like to have good info to give them. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 4:29 AM, Star Gazer  wrote:
> 
> Wondering that too 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> llump...@austin.rr.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works just fine?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with 
> a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> Hello Everyone, 
> 
> And so it begins.
> 
> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at iPhone 14 
> Pro Max.  
> 
> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
> 
> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised to learn 
> that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by customers who only 
> want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.  He told me that they are 
> working on crafting an in-store response to the enquiries designed to 
> discouraged customers from seeking a physical SIM tray.  He followed that up 
> by saying, "I know you, Mark, and no response is going to keep you from 
> getting that SIM tray model, if that is what you want."  (smile)  He is a 
> very smart man (smile).
> 
> So, the search begins.
> 
> Does anyone know away to purchase an iPhone 14 Pro Max with a physical SIM 
> tray, from within the United States?
> 
> Some people are saying that if you buy a model from the Apple online store, 
> without designating a wireless provider, that Apple will ship you a model 
> with a physical SIM tray.  However, I cannot locate anyone to confirm this.
> 
> Make no mistake, I'm not above taking a short trek up to Canada to pick up a 
> model but if I can avoid it, I would prefer to do so.
> 
> I have a friend who is heading to Japan in a couple of weeks and, of course, 
> I could have the friend pick up a model, in Japan, but that makes me somewhat 
> uncomfortable; I don't know why.  I think I'd rather go to 

Re: downloading apps

[Michael Feir]

There's a setting specifically for deciding this. Go into the "Home Scren"
area of settings. There, you can choose whether newly downloaded apps are
added to your home screens or simply put in the library. Other settings in
there let you decide if notification badges are shown in the library as
well as in the home screen. You can also decide whether searches are shown
on the home screen. I believe this has to do with when you use spotlight
search. Hope that helps.

On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 3:22 AM  wrote:

> Hello: I have noticed that after downloading a new app from the app store
> that it doesn’t appear on any of my screens. I have to look for it in the
> app library. Has anyone noticed this?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Martin Nelson
>
>
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RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[chrisjudge1967]

I have had the same sim card now since my iPhone 5S. Each time I get a new one 
I just pop the card out and put it in the new one. Easy peasy.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: October 19, 2022 8:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

The sad reality is, every time Apple shows "courage " look out, it means that 
somethings about to get taken away. Just like every time something is done in 
the name of "safety" it usually means some right or liberty is about to get 
taken away, that's as far as I'll go into that on this list though. Good luck 
in being able to get the phone that you want with a Sim tray. For my part, I'm 
going to hold onto my SE3 which is working quite nicely and suiting my needs. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'd expect it to just work. I get the situation where people want to be able 
> to use multiple phones by just switching out the SIM card, but that's not 
> something I'm interested in doing. When I got my iPhone 11, the person at the 
> AT store basically just handed me my phone and I could walk out of the 
> store with it. I asked if there was something we needed to do, like swap the 
> SIM card, and he said no, it was all good. It was the easiest it's ever been 
> for me to get a new phone, and it was the least amount of time I've ever 
> spent in a carrier's store.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> When I got my 13 pro max, I put in my sim card from my iPhone 8 for the first 
> time.  It was surprisingly easy.  I wonder what would happen if I took the 
> sim card from my 13 pro max and put it back into my iPhone 8.
> 
>> On 10/19/22, dandrews...@comcast.net  wrote:
>> I am not an expert in these things, but I think that phones in 
>> specific countries are set up to use the cell bands in use in that 
>> country, so if you buy one from outside the United States, you could have 
>> problems, in theory.
>> I could be wrong, but if it were me, I would investigate.
>> 
>> Well, actually if it were me which I am, I just got a simless 14 Pro.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of lenron brown
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 4:36 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>> 
>> 13 pro max, unless you order from outside the states. This is pretty 
>> much the only way, unless you have someone buy it and send it to you.
>> being someone that loves having the freedom to swap devices I get not 
>> wanting this 14 pro max.
>> 
>>> On 10/19/22, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>> I do the same, Regina, get the store person to get my phone going.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of regina alvarado
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:18 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>> 
>>> It’s an interesting question. I keep getting the message on my 13 
>>> promax that I don’t have a Sim card, and I Have to say okay each time.
>>> Is there a way to get this off my phone or am I supposed to have a 
>>> SIM card? By the way, what is a SIM card? My education is lacking.
>>> I’m not sure I’ve ever had one. I always have my phones Put together 
>>> by a person at the store for whatever company I’ve been with, and 
>>> never have they ask me for my Sim card.
>>> Anyway, just a little confused. Thanks for any help you can give me, 
>>> and sorry that I’m asking a stupid question.
>>> Reggie Alvarado
>>> 
 On Oct 19, 2022, at 2:29 PM, Peter Logan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone.
>>> 
 On Oct 19, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
 
 I have the same question.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of llump...@austin.rr.com
 Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
 
 My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works 
 just fine?
 

RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[chrisjudge1967]

If you did that your iPhone 8 would be your active phone again.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: October 19, 2022 7:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

Interesting, Joshua. Are you going to try? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 6:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

When I got my 13 pro max, I put in my sim card from my iPhone 8 for the first 
time.  It was surprisingly easy.  I wonder what would happen if I took the sim 
card from my 13 pro max and put it back into my iPhone 8.

On 10/19/22, dandrews...@comcast.net  wrote:
> I am not an expert in these things, but I think that phones in 
> specific countries are set up to use the cell bands in use in that 
> country, so if you buy one from outside the United States, you could have 
> problems, in theory.
> I could be wrong, but if it were me, I would investigate.
>
> Well, actually if it were me which I am, I just got a simless 14 Pro.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> lenron brown
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 4:36 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> 13 pro max, unless you order from outside the states. This is pretty 
> much the only way, unless you have someone buy it and send it to you.
> being someone that loves having the freedom to swap devices I get not 
> wanting this 14 pro max.
>
> On 10/19/22, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> I do the same, Regina, get the store person to get my phone going.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of regina alvarado
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:18 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>
>> It’s an interesting question. I keep getting the message on my 13 
>> promax that I don’t have a Sim card, and I Have to say okay each time.
>> Is there a way to get this off my phone or am I supposed to have a 
>> SIM card? By the way, what is a SIM card? My education is lacking.
>> I’m not sure I’ve ever had one. I always have my phones Put together 
>> by a person at the store for whatever company I’ve been with, and 
>> never have they ask me for my Sim card.
>> Anyway, just a little confused. Thanks for any help you can give me, 
>> and sorry that I’m asking a stupid question.
>> Reggie Alvarado
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 2:29 PM, Peter Logan  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Sent from my IPhone.
>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have the same question.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of llump...@austin.rr.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>>
>>> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works 
>>> just fine?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of M.
>>> Taylor
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro 
>>> Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>>
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>
>>> And so it begins.
>>>
>>> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at 
>>> iPhone
>>> 14 Pro Max.
>>>
>>> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
>>>
>>> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised 
>>> to learn that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by 
>>> customers who only want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.
>>> He told me that they are working on crafting an in-store response to 
>>> the enquiries designed to discouraged customers from seeking a 
>>> physical SIM tray.  He followed that up by saying, "I know you, 
>>> Mark, and no response is going to keep you from getting that SIM 
>>> tray model, if that is what you want."
>>> (smile)  He is a very smart man (smile).
>>>
>>> So, the search begins.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know away to purchase an iPhone 14 Pro Max with a 
>>> physical SIM tray, from within the United States?
>>>
>>> Some people are 

downloading apps

[martinnelson42]

Hello: I have noticed that after downloading a new app from the app store
that it doesn't appear on any of my screens. I have to look for it in the
app library. Has anyone noticed this?

Thank you.

Martin Nelson 

 

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Re: Dictation in upcoming IOS version

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I used to use dictation for text messages all the time.  However,
since getting my Hable One, I don't use dictation any more.  IOS 16
certainly has some bugs to work out.

On 10/20/22, Julian  wrote:
> Not to mention that more than half the time when you do the two finger
> double tap to stop dictation, music starts playing. Overall, dictation under
> iOS 16.1 is definitely become a bit erratic. Despite many of us I am certain
> reporting it to Apple via the Feedback app.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 8:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>> That is interesting, apart from not being able to currently edit a text
>> message if I use Siri entirely to send it I have no issues with dictation
>> not working as always on my iPhone 11. It starts right away and ends when
>> I do a 2-finger double tap to stop it. I don't recall that it puts me in
>> different spots in the edit field and it seems to work as accurately for
>> me as it always has which means it does make mistakes, but not more than
>> in iOS 15 at least not so I'd notice.
>> I use dictation all the time by the way, often for text messages which
>> mostly are shorter, but also for emails and sometimes I will dictate
>> longer emails.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Gordon
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 8:12 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Dictation in upcoming IOS version
>>
>> I spoke with Mark last night and cleared this with him based on the nature
>> of the issue. So as you know IOS 16.1 will be arriving on Monday for the
>> public. right now us beta testers are working with what is called the
>> release candidate. this is the final version that will go public. I'm
>> experiencing huge issues with dictation. If dictation is something you
>> rely on on a daily basis, you might want to follow this group closely once
>> this version goes public instead of getting it yourself right away. Some
>> of the issues I'm facing are as follows. Huge inaccuracies, long delays
>> when starting and stopping dictation and placing you in different
>> positions within the edit box if you start and stop dictation frequently.
>> I imagine that we probably have users here on the group who use their
>> phones for work and other things where they need dictation to work well
>> for them. And especially for those who might deal with issues relating to
>> their fingers not being able to type all that well and rely on dictation.
>> It's not guaranteed that the version I have will go out on Monday because
>> they could either fix this or push out another release candidate before
>> the weekend. So I will let you know sometime this weekend if things are a
>> little better so you can have the information on Monday when the software
>> is available for your device. I just wanted to get this information out
>> here now for those who might not check the group every day. I just didn't
>> want anyone to be stuck with this if dictation hasn't improved and you
>> need it to work well for how you use your phone. I've never seen it this
>> busted since I've been an IOS user going back to 2016.
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Re: Dictation in upcoming IOS version

[Julian]

Not to mention that more than half the time when you do the two finger double 
tap to stop dictation, music starts playing. Overall, dictation under iOS 16.1 
is definitely become a bit erratic. Despite many of us I am certain reporting 
it to Apple via the Feedback app.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 8:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> That is interesting, apart from not being able to currently edit a text 
> message if I use Siri entirely to send it I have no issues with dictation not 
> working as always on my iPhone 11. It starts right away and ends when I do a 
> 2-finger double tap to stop it. I don't recall that it puts me in different 
> spots in the edit field and it seems to work as accurately for me as it 
> always has which means it does make mistakes, but not more than in iOS 15 at 
> least not so I'd notice.
> I use dictation all the time by the way, often for text messages which mostly 
> are shorter, but also for emails and sometimes I will dictate longer emails.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gordon
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 8:12 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Dictation in upcoming IOS version
> 
> I spoke with Mark last night and cleared this with him based on the nature of 
> the issue. So as you know IOS 16.1 will be arriving on Monday for the public. 
> right now us beta testers are working with what is called the release 
> candidate. this is the final version that will go public. I'm experiencing 
> huge issues with dictation. If dictation is something you rely on on a daily 
> basis, you might want to follow this group closely once this version goes 
> public instead of getting it yourself right away. Some of the issues I'm 
> facing are as follows. Huge inaccuracies, long delays when starting and 
> stopping dictation and placing you in different positions within the edit box 
> if you start and stop dictation frequently. I imagine that we probably have 
> users here on the group who use their phones for work and other things where 
> they need dictation to work well for them. And especially for those who might 
> deal with issues relating to their fingers not being able to type all that 
> well and rely on dictation. It's not guaranteed that the version I have will 
> go out on Monday because they could either fix this or push out another 
> release candidate before the weekend. So I will let you know sometime this 
> weekend if things are a little better so you can have the information on 
> Monday when the software is available for your device. I just wanted to get 
> this information out here now for those who might not check the group every 
> day. I just didn't want anyone to be stuck with this if dictation hasn't 
> improved and you need it to work well for how you use your phone. I've never 
> seen it this busted since I've been an IOS user going back to 2016.
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