BeMyEyes groups?

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi,
Has anyone set up, successfully, a group in the bemyeyes app? I have set up 
two, one called NaviLens and the other Family, people, selected from my 
whatsapp connections, have joined, but, so far, whenever I choose to call one 
of the groups, I am told "no one has joined yet". So, hes anyone done better? 
If so, what am I doing wrong?

Thanks, Sandy  and Z 
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Re: question about where to find the magnifier? I can only get to it through asking serie

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Mitch,Not sure where you find it as it may be in a folder, however, four finger triple tap should do it hope this helps, SandySent from The dark side of the moonOn 2 Dec 2023, at 13:13, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:Hi all. I am now running a I phone 14 pro. I am wondering where to find the magnifier? I can only find it when asking Serie. I have gone through all of my folders in all of my 8 pages of apps and can’t find it. I have turned on the door detection and people detection app and that is all working good I am just wondering if I can only get to this by asking Serie? Since as I said I can’t seem to find it any other way.   Many thanks. From Mich.



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doorbell cameras and telling me my Dogs there

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hello to the list,
The weather has turned very very cold here in Ireland, my dog likes to run 
around in the frost in the field, but I can no longer leave the door open, even 
a fraction, for him, as we are losing all our heat! so, I was thinking one of 
the doorbell apps plus hardware might be the way to go, it would tell me, or 
would it, if my dog was waiting outside the back door? at the moment, we have 
nothing of the sort either in terms of security or doorbells so I am a novice 
to this whole idea of cameras Around the house. any hints tips tricks and 
suggestions would be gratefully received.

>From the frosty island, Sandy and ZYON a.k.a. Rudolph!
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Re: SFTP client

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I use FTP Client Pro, hope this helps, Sandy and said
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> On 11 Oct 2023, at 06:25, Alex Stone  wrote:
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> Can anybody recommend an ftp client for io’s?? I’m sure used to have one, 
> but can’t remember what it was called.
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Youtube without the visuals?

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Hi,

I am on holiday and subject to some restrictions via data-roaming. I do 
like to keep in touch with youtube, so, if I start youtube premium, will this 
allow me to watch/download etc with audio only and thus reduce my data download?

Thanks for any suggestions, Sandy in Italia with her premium pooch! 

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Trying to read a text file with a braille display

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Hi,

Can anyone suggest a good app for reading a largish txt file with a braille 
display? I have tried it with VDR but this is no good. i have to keep scrolling 
the page and it often looses the first line. i used to use iLike2Read Pro, but 
that doesn't seem to be updated for the latest IOS. I just want to be able to 
pan down the text with no fuss and while not online.

Thanks for any thoughts, Sandy and Z. 

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Re: Barcode identification questions.

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Adam,Not sure if this is of any use to you, it is in fact a QR code, and it isn't anything that is on your product. well it is on some products but not many yet. The codes from NaviLens, and the app is called NaviLens, and it is free. You do have to download free from Navilens, obtained via the app, the codes, in an email, then print out. then you can choose your method of attaching them to your item, and you can record whatever you want information wise, the app will then not only read it back whenever you like, but will guide you to the item itself! naviLens has many other functions too, but labelling is one of them and it's excellent for this.One more thing, with a recorded label, if it's voice, you had to listen to the whole thing, with NaviLens, you can listen to the whole thing but you can also navigate using VoiceOver gestures for a line word et cetera.Hope this helps, Sandy and ZSent from The dark side of the moonOn 7 Jun 2023, at 12:31, Adam Morris  wrote:Hi all,I have an ID mate galaxy. I use it to record a spoken label for cooking instructions.I have used digit eyes when it worked to do the same thing.Is there an iOS app that will identify a barcode and then enable you to record cooking instructions rather than having to sort through stove or microwave directions if scanning the packet.Thanks in advance.  



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Reading text/signage in the environment.

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Hi,

Don't know if GPT 4 is relevant  here, if I remember aright, this became 
possible a year or more ago, but I want to be able to scan my environment, 
preferably, with video, but it could be still shots, not to identify objects, 
rather, to read all text around me. This might be anything from street signs to 
shop signs, to products on shelves or general info in buildings.

What app would i use to do this? Have people tried anything like this and 
how well did it work?

Thanks, Sandy and Z (who is a little challenged when it comes to signage!) 

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Re: initiating a video recording?

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Tom,Excellent, I think I've just set one up! just to be clear for other people, it seems that if you choose media your options for videos comes up, I didn't do this, I was thinking that might mean social media and I just didn't want to get tangled up. instead, having chosen to set up a shortcut, I put in the search box the word video and I got the option of "take a video" and I accepted it and it works!Thank you so much, now I shall be quick to catch those magic moments…Thanks again, Sandy NZ Sent from The dark side of the moonOn 21 Apr 2023, at 13:24, Thom Spittle  wrote:Hey sandy, I am jumping into this thread to see if I can help. I went to Shortcuts and created a shortcut. Then I went to dictate and send video. It came up with take video. So I selected that, and then the next step I did was to save it to the camera roll.It created a shortcut called take video with back camera.I then asked Siri to take video with back camera and it opened the video app and started recording straight away.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 21, 2023, at 4:56 AM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone  wrote:Sieghard, thanks for all your efforts on this, I'm still failing though… I can find in case of emergency and I can get a sort of set up shortcut that will indicate to all my friends and family and carers and what not that I need help, although that's not what I want, so I said that Home but no where can I find reference to starting off a video, I shall do some googling too…Thanks again, Sandy and ZSent from The dark side of the moonOn 20 Apr 2023, at 17:48, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







I probably set this up at some point in the past and called it "Emergency Video" instead of "In case of emergency" which seems to be what it is called in shortcuts.
, here is a bit about how to find it and below this I am including the link to the full article:
 
Featured snippet from the web
How to set up the In Case of Emergency shortcut on an iPhone
Tap your Shortcuts app to open it.
A menu of your existing shortcuts will appear. ...
Swipe through the top banner until you see "Shortcuts for Accessibility," then tap on it. ...
Select "In Case of Emergency." ...
On the intro page, scroll down and tap "Add Shortcut."
 
Keep in mind that this shortcut will also text a person of your choice, but I assume this is something you can possibly remove or simply put in your own phone number or a landline which can't receive text messages if you don't want this.
 Hwere is the full article, if you do a Google search for "In case of emergency iOS shortcut" you find a lot of articles about it and I believe there are other shortcuts like it, one is called "I am getting pulled over":
 
How to use the "In Case of Emergency" iPhone shortcut to get quick help from rescue services or a contact
 
Best regards,
Sieghard
 
-Original Message-
From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone  
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 3:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: initiating a video recording?
 
first of all, thank you, I didn't know I had a Shortcuts app, I was just looking in settings… however, after perusing the Shortcuts app, both in Shortcuts and gallery, I can't find reference to anything like emergency video or anything
 about a Videos! I wonder if I need to update or anything… Getting there, slowly, thanks for the help thus far, Sandy and Z
 
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> On 19 Apr 2023, at 04:14, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> If I open the Shortcuts app, there are 3 tabs at the bottom, "Shortcuts", "Autonation" and "Gallery"
> If I put focus on the Shortcuts tab I have a lot of shortcuts there, I can't remember if maybe at one point I added them from the Gallery, so if you don't have anything there just check in the Gallery.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2023 11:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: initiating a video recording?
> 
> thank you, but I can't find where those preset shortcuts are. any directions?
> Thanks, Sandy NZ
> 
> Sent from The dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 18 Apr 2023, at 18:06, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Shortcuts is  your friend. There is a preset one called "Emergency Video", but by default it sends a message to your contacts which says "I am getting pulled over" so you might want to change the shortcut so it doesn't do this. Otherwise
 if set up correctly you can just say "Emergency Video" to Siri and it will start recording.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2023 2:44 AM
>> To: 'Carol VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com>

Re: initiating a video recording?

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Sieghard, thanks for all your efforts on this, I'm still failing though… I can find in case of emergency and I can get a sort of set up shortcut that will indicate to all my friends and family and carers and what not that I need help, although that's not what I want, so I said that Home but no where can I find reference to starting off a video, I shall do some googling too…Thanks again, Sandy and ZSent from The dark side of the moonOn 20 Apr 2023, at 17:48, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







I probably set this up at some point in the past and called it "Emergency Video" instead of "In case of emergency" which seems to be what it is called in shortcuts.
, here is a bit about how to find it and below this I am including the link to the full article:
 
Featured snippet from the web
How to set up the In Case of Emergency shortcut on an iPhone
Tap your Shortcuts app to open it.
A menu of your existing shortcuts will appear. ...
Swipe through the top banner until you see "Shortcuts for Accessibility," then tap on it. ...
Select "In Case of Emergency." ...
On the intro page, scroll down and tap "Add Shortcut."
 
Keep in mind that this shortcut will also text a person of your choice, but I assume this is something you can possibly remove or simply put in your own phone number or a landline which can't receive text messages if you don't want this.
 Hwere is the full article, if you do a Google search for "In case of emergency iOS shortcut" you find a lot of articles about it and I believe there are other shortcuts like it, one is called "I am getting pulled over":
 
How to use the "In Case of Emergency" iPhone shortcut to get quick help from rescue services or a contact
 
Best regards,
Sieghard
 
-Original Message-
From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone  
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 3:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: initiating a video recording?
 
first of all, thank you, I didn't know I had a Shortcuts app, I was just looking in settings… however, after perusing the Shortcuts app, both in Shortcuts and gallery, I can't find reference to anything like emergency video or anything
 about a Videos! I wonder if I need to update or anything… Getting there, slowly, thanks for the help thus far, Sandy and Z
 
Sent from The dark side of the moon
 
> On 19 Apr 2023, at 04:14, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> If I open the Shortcuts app, there are 3 tabs at the bottom, "Shortcuts", "Autonation" and "Gallery"
> If I put focus on the Shortcuts tab I have a lot of shortcuts there, I can't remember if maybe at one point I added them from the Gallery, so if you don't have anything there just check in the Gallery.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2023 11:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: initiating a video recording?
> 
> thank you, but I can't find where those preset shortcuts are. any directions?
> Thanks, Sandy NZ
> 
> Sent from The dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 18 Apr 2023, at 18:06, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Shortcuts is  your friend. There is a preset one called "Emergency Video", but by default it sends a message to your contacts which says "I am getting pulled over" so you might want to change the shortcut so it doesn't do this. Otherwise
 if set up correctly you can just say "Emergency Video" to Siri and it will start recording.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2023 2:44 AM
>> To: 'Carol VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: initiating a video recording?
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>>   Using an iphone 14 Pro, with the latest update, I want to be able to start a video recording session, quickly. preferably, with one gesture, regardless of what else I am doing on my phone. Perhaps, a Siri shortcut? I don't want
 to use the back-tap gesture, as this triggers too easily by mistake. If anyone can help with suggestions, I would be very grateful!
>> 
>>   Thanks, Sandy and Zyon the shrew teaser. 
>> 
>> Sent from The dark side of the moon
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Re: initiating a video recording?

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

first of all, thank you, I didn't know I had a Shortcuts app, I was just 
looking in settings…
however, after perusing the Shortcuts app, both in Shortcuts and gallery, I 
can't find reference to anything like emergency video or anything about a 
Videos! I wonder if I need to update or anything…
Getting there, slowly, thanks for the help thus far, Sandy and Z

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 19 Apr 2023, at 04:14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> If I open the Shortcuts app, there are 3 tabs at the bottom, "Shortcuts", 
> "Autonation" and "Gallery"
> If I put focus on the Shortcuts tab I have a lot of shortcuts there, I can't 
> remember if maybe at one point I added them from the Gallery, so if you don't 
> have anything there just check in the Gallery.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2023 11:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: initiating a video recording?
> 
> thank you, but I can't find where those preset shortcuts are. any directions?
> Thanks, Sandy NZ
> 
> Sent from The dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 18 Apr 2023, at 18:06, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Shortcuts is  your friend. There is a preset one called "Emergency Video", 
>> but by default it sends a message to your contacts which says "I am getting 
>> pulled over" so you might want to change the shortcut so it doesn't do this. 
>> Otherwise if set up correctly you can just say "Emergency Video" to Siri and 
>> it will start recording.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone  
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2023 2:44 AM
>> To: 'Carol VIPhone 
>> Subject: initiating a video recording?
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>>   Using an iphone 14 Pro, with the latest update, I want to be able to start 
>> a video recording session, quickly. preferably, with one gesture, regardless 
>> of what else I am doing on my phone. Perhaps, a Siri shortcut? I don't want 
>> to use the back-tap gesture, as this triggers too easily by mistake. If 
>> anyone can help with suggestions, I would be very grateful!
>> 
>>   Thanks, Sandy and Zyon the shrew teaser. 
>> 
>> Sent from The dark side of the moon
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Re: initiating a video recording?

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thank you, but I can't find where those preset shortcuts are. any directions?
Thanks, Sandy NZ

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 18 Apr 2023, at 18:06, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
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> Shortcuts is  your friend. There is a preset one called "Emergency Video", 
> but by default it sends a message to your contacts which says "I am getting 
> pulled over" so you might want to change the shortcut so it doesn't do this. 
> Otherwise if set up correctly you can just say "Emergency Video" to Siri and 
> it will start recording.
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> -Original Message-
> From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2023 2:44 AM
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> Hi,
> 
>Using an iphone 14 Pro, with the latest update, I want to be able to start 
> a video recording session, quickly. preferably, with one gesture, regardless 
> of what else I am doing on my phone. Perhaps, a Siri shortcut? I don't want 
> to use the back-tap gesture, as this triggers too easily by mistake. If 
> anyone can help with suggestions, I would be very grateful!
> 
>Thanks, Sandy and Zyon the shrew teaser. 
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initiating a video recording?

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Hi,

Using an iphone 14 Pro, with the latest update, I want to be able to start 
a video recording session, quickly. preferably, with one gesture, regardless of 
what else I am doing on my phone. Perhaps, a Siri shortcut? I don't want to use 
the back-tap gesture, as this triggers too easily by mistake. If anyone can 
help with suggestions, I would be very grateful!

Thanks, Sandy and Zyon the shrew teaser. 

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Re: How to find description section on youtube videos

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hi,Not sure if I'm understand you right, but for me I just double double tap on the bit where it says the name of the video you're watching after it says the name and says "more" when you tap on that it gives you it then says description and then you are good to go reading downHope this makes sense, Sandy and Z sorry about the dictation errors…Sent from The dark side of the moonOn 7 Apr 2023, at 12:56, Mike B.  wrote:






Hi Amy,
 
This I don't have an answer for, but I'd appreciate it if 
you would let me know when you find out.  Thanks much.Take 
care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers! 
 
 
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videos


Hello,
I am viewing a video on linking chat gpt with siri. I am 
instructed to use the description section to go to a link. How do I activate 
this section?
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Re: Accessible GPS apps and bread crumbs

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this sounds like a perfect job for NaviLens! The app is free and it works with QR codes specially adapted to be easily easily found by your phone. The codes are free, but do need to be printed from an email attachment. if they are to be used outside, and it sounds like they would, they should be either laminated or printed onto vinyl paper, also readily available from the net. T this might sound like a bit of extra work, and it may be that your friend would need some help getting set up, but these codes are really reliable and absolutely accurate I use them, I don't have 60 acres I only have one, but it's enough to get lost in and there are drop offs and stairs outside, so I like to use these to give me nice landmarks and indications of where I am, they will also guide me to them if I need it. PrSent from The dark side of the moonOn 16 Mar 2023, at 02:02, John Panarese  wrote:Hi guys,   I’m trying to find an accessible GPS application for the iPhone that will offer really easy to use bread crumb features for an older gentleman who is not really tech savvy. He lives on a farm that is approximately 60 acres in size. He needs an app in which he can navigate between specific landmarks on his property and be given directions or indicators if he wanders astray. This would be, for example, reaching a water tower from his house or finding his way back to his house from another part of his property.    If anyone can suggest a specific app that will fit the bill, please let me know. Also, if one can give pointers that I can pass along to the person, I’d appreciate that as well.
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Re: NFC Tag Manager

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hi,Navi lens code would be perfect for this, I would put one code on each face of your luggage, i.e., six codes, in this way, you would have a much better chance of finding them on the carousel.Sandy NZSent from The dark side of the moonOn 27 Jan 2023, at 04:35, Fazil M.  wrote:
Can I put NFC Stickers on my checked in luggage when I am flying and then trace it in the carouselwhen I reach my destination?Thanks! From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne ScottSent: Thursday, January 26, 2023 6:56 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: NFC Tag Manager Stupid question! What is a NFC tag?Wayne Scott   On Jan 26, 2023, at 7:55 PM, tai.toma...@gmail.com wrote:My only issue with other NFC tag managers is that I don’t know of waterproof NFC tags that can go through the laundry. Has anyone found inexpensive waterproof tags?  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jody ianuzziSent: Thursday, January 26, 2023 9:49 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: NFC Tag Manager This is a very accessible easy to use NFC tag manager app NFC Tag Manager by Bruno Goncalveshttps://apps.apple.com/us/app/nfc-tag-manager/id1479339635 JODYTo Boldly Go   thunderwalker...@gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik Weihenmayer-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CB032D9A-CEFE-4CE1-BDEA-2BF2D250F5EF%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/0f2a01d931fa%24cc686900%2465393b00%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/64EDB5B6-D116-40D0-8DD6-25E3A4012F37%40gmail.com.



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Re: WayAround

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Tom,
The personal kits, with NaviLens, or indeed readable only by the phone that has 
defined them, so each phone will define differently according to how they have 
been uploaded with information. however there are two other forms of labels, 
which are open to all phones, one of the free kits from NaviLens called and ear 
schools and the other one is called associations. The other form of labels 
which are open to anyone with a NaviLens app or not Navi lens go, other public 
tags available in public places such as train stations bus stops et cetera, 
this can be read by anybody with the app. so, the personal kit, which number 
501 labels, a specific to your phone can be shared with up to 5 other users, or 
the public labels either from the kids or from institutions that have installed 
NaviLens, are readable by everybody.
Hope this clarifies things, Sandy and Z PS I am dictating this I hope this is 
readable…

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 26 Jan 2023, at 20:12, Thomas Frank  wrote:
> There is one major problem with WayAround and NaviLens. Neither can be read 
> by the general public since the information on NaviLens resides on your phone 
> and WayAround charges a monthly fee to be accessed by the general public and 
> WayAround also control the content and updates.
> 
> I just downloaded NFC manager which looks fairly accessible. I can create an 
> NFC tag I buy from Amazon, attach it ]anywhere and anyone with an NFC reader, 
> which comes with a smart phone, can read it. I wish I could use the WayAround 
> tags for general use but they are copy protected. Don’t try to write on them 
> with anything other than the Way/around app because you will render them 
> unusable. I would know; I tried it out on one.  Any other suggestions for an 
> accessible, generic NFC tag reader/writer?
> Thomas Frank
> vermont...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2023, at 12:01 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>> 
>> Those interested in learning more about NaviLens can hear Oran McAllister, 
>> Client Engagement Officer at NaviLens, discuss the NaviLens app and the 
>> NaviLens codes at the Accessible World Tek Talk meeting Monday 1/30/23 at 
>> 8pm Eastern. Below is the Zoom meeting info:
>> Time: Meets Monday, January 30, 2023, from 8-9 p.m. Eastern.  Join from PC, 
>> Mac, Linux, iOS or Android: 
>> https://us02web.zoom.us/j/839935813?pwd=eXFMRHpxNnhFZlRiMHAzRWNWYXM3Zz09   
>> Or iPhone one-tap:
>> +19292056099,,839935813# US (New York)
>> +13126266799,,839935813# US (Chicago) Or Telephone:
>> Dial by your location
>>+1 929 205 6099 US (New York)
>>+1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago)
>>+1 301 715 8592 US (Germantown)
>>+1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose)
>>+1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma)
>>    +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) Meeting ID: 839 935 813
>> Passcode: awz
>> International numbers available: https://zoom.us/u/cnnUjZ1oh
>> Alan Lemly
>> From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone  
>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2023 3:07 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: WayAround
>> and the free alternative is Navi lens, you just download the codes and print 
>> them out on whatever form you choose could be vinyl could be vinyl stock to 
>> metal could be paper could be laminated could be whatever you want… Did I 
>> say it was free, it's free and it works not only close up remotely…
>> please join The NaviLens Group, let's Navi lens IO groups, Sandy and Z 
>> Sent from The dark side of the moon
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Re: logo other?

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thank you, I restarted VoiceOver and so far, so good!Thanks again, Sandy and ZSent from The dark side of the moonOn 26 Jan 2023, at 12:24, Devin Prater  wrote:VoiceOver’s image recognition getting stuck. Restarting VoiceOver should fix it, or turning off image recognition if you don’t need it.
Devin Praterr.d.t.pra...@gmail.comHttps://devinprater.micro.blog

On Jan 26, 2023, at 4:17 AM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone  wrote:hi,,Dictating, sorry about that… I am running the latest 16.3 on an iPhone 14 pro and it keeps saying logo other. i've taken a look in settings, it doesn't seem to be VoiceOver is version of saying actions which I have said to sound, I really don't know what this means when it says logo other I have tried flicking up and down but it is not an action option. does anyone know what it is and how I can get rid of it, it's driving me mad!Thanks, SandySent from The dark side of the moon-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5AF0DD1C-FB7D-4030-8BB0-DFDD2A624EB3%40googlemail.com.



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logo other?

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,,
Dictating, sorry about that… I am running the latest 16.3 on an iPhone 14 pro 
and it keeps saying logo other. i've taken a look in settings, it doesn't seem 
to be VoiceOver is version of saying actions which I have said to sound, I 
really don't know what this means when it says logo other I have tried flicking 
up and down but it is not an action option. does anyone know what it is and how 
I can get rid of it, it's driving me mad!
Thanks, Sandy

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Re: WayAround

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

and the free alternative is Navi lens, you just download the codes and print them out on whatever form you choose could be vinyl could be vinyl stock to metal could be paper could be laminated could be whatever you want… Did I say it was free, it's free and it works not only close up remotely… please join The NaviLens Group, let's Navi lens IO groups, Sandy and Z Sent from The dark side of the moonOn 26 Jan 2023, at 01:17, Jody ianuzzi  wrote:The less expensive alternative to way around is to simply buy NFC stickers from Amazon and use the Tag Manager app which is free.JODYTo Boldly Go   thunderwalker...@gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik WeihenmayerOn Jan 25, 2023, at 6:31 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  wrote:I use Way Around and love it. Could be a bit expensive but, I found it well worth it. Very easy to use with smart phone and you can add as much as information on each tag (RFI) as you need. I like to add the color, Brand, Size and where I purchased the shirt, pants etc. on the tag. These never failed me so far and Customer service is very nice. Andy and Leroy From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Steve CookSent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 6:25 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: WayAround Hi All,  Feel free to share this with your networks!  The Computer Science & Technology Division of the NFB of SC will have a presentation from Michael Doise from WayAround. Michael will tell us all about the app and its features, the tags used for labeling purposes, history of WayAround and much much more! We hope you will join us for this WayAround presentation using the below Zoom information!  Date: Saturday, January 28, 2023Time: 10:00 AM EasternLocation: NFB of SC Zoom The WayAround presentation will be recorded and share on the National Federation of the Blind of South Carolina podcast with the presenters permission.  NFB of SC Zoom https://us02web.zoom.us/j/8032543777?pwd=QTVQd2RzN3l6QnNmZ0FmSnp6NG8vQT09 Meeting ID: 803 254 3777Passcode: 124578One tap mobile+19292056099,,8032543777# US (New York)+13017158592,,8032543777# US (Germantown) Dial by your location    +1 929 205 6099 US (New York)  Meet WayAround®WayAround is the app for your smart device that provides on-demand details about everyday things. The simple tag-and-scan approach lets you quickly and easily identify things around you. It also provides extra details, like how something works or when it expires.The result? Doing more of the things you want, with more confidence and more independence. With Information Rich Audio TagsSometimes the little things can cause the biggest frustrations. WayAround is great for all the places in your home or office where you'd like better information, faster. Since our tags come as magnets, buttons, clips, and stickers, you can put them just about anywhere.   -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/003f01d930af%24b9a66480%242cf32d80%24%40gmail.com.



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Re: WayAround

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

indeed, Navilens can do this and more, it's free, and you can choose the format of your label i.e., sticker, magnet, iron on, et cetera… plus, Navi lens codes can be read at a distance, you don't have to know where they are, and you're totally easy to find!NaviLens is the way to go, Sandy and ZSent from The dark side of the moonOn 25 Jan 2023, at 18:59, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







So would that be similar to NaviLens?
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Chris Chaffin
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 5:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: WayAround


 

 


I also like the WayAround WayTags.  I have been usingthemfor a a few years now.  Except for the stickers, I like the fact that the tags can be reused and never go bad.  So the initial cost can be a littlehigh, but since theyare reusable,
 thatcuts down on any future cost.  


 


Chris


 


       






On Jan 25, 2023, at 6:31 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  wrote:





I use Way Around and love it. Could be a bit expensive but, I found it well worth it. Very easy to use with smart phone and you can add as much as information on each tag (RFI) as you need. I like to add the color, Brand, Size and where
 I purchased the shirt, pants etc. on the tag. These never failed me so far and Customer service is very nice. Andy and Leroy
 


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: WayAround


 
Hi All, 
 
Feel free to share this with your networks! 
 
The Computer Science & Technology Division of the NFB of SC will have a presentation from Michael Doise from WayAround. Michael will tell us all about the app and its features, the tags used for labeling purposes, history of WayAround and
 much much more! We hope you will join us for this WayAround presentation using the below Zoom information!

 
Date: Saturday, January 28, 2023
Time: 10:00 AM Eastern
Location: NFB of SC Zoom
 
The WayAround presentation will be recorded and share on the National Federation of the Blind of South Carolina podcast with the presenters permission.

 
NFB of SC Zoom
 
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/8032543777?pwd=QTVQd2RzN3l6QnNmZ0FmSnp6NG8vQT09
 
Meeting ID: 803 254 3777
Passcode: 124578
One tap mobile
+19292056099,,8032543777# US (New York)
+13017158592,,8032543777# US (Germantown)
 
Dial by your location
    +1 929 205 6099 US (New York)
 
 
Meet WayAround®
WayAround is the app for your smart device that provides on-demand details about everyday things. The simple tag-and-scan approach lets you quickly and easily identify things
 around you. It also provides extra details, like how something works or when it expires.
The result? Doing more of the things you want, with more confidence and more independence.
 
With Information Rich Audio Tags
Sometimes the little things can cause the biggest frustrations. WayAround is great for all the places in your home or office where you'd like better information, faster. Since our tags come as magnets, buttons, clips, and stickers, you
 can put them just about anywhere.
 
 
 
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hi,Have you tried the option "more" on your share sheet? that takes you to a longer list of options and you probably will find vdr there.Hope this helps, Sandy and ZSent from The dark side of the moonOn 15 Dec 2022, at 04:59, Fazil M.  wrote:
Hi, Group.I have iPhone12 with iOS16.2I tried to share an *.mp3 file with Voice Dream Reader from Files App but I did not find Voice Dream Reader in share-sheet or list of apps. How can I bring Voice Dream Reader to this list of apps, please?Thanks!



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Re: Dynamic island and Accessibility

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi,

Early days as yet, but, as I understand it, you can interact with or 
monitor certain active apps, which are running in the background, without 
putting your present app in the background. As time goes on, I can see the 
possibilities for this functionality. For example, I use the NaviLens app, a 
great deal, but for certain activities, it is important that the app stays in 
the foreground, if you are following a route or are in Magnet mode, once you 
leave foreground status, you lose the route/magnet mode, however, I might want 
to keep another object identifying app going at the same time, they may 
compliment one another. As yet, not many apps can be seen with the dynamic 
island, but  I am sure developers will start to incorporate it!

Just my thoughts, I upgraded from an 8 to the 14 Pro and do find it has such 
potential, especially via the cameras.

Garry Crimbo, Sandy and her little helper. 

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> On 29 Nov 2022, at 17:09, B. J. Maynard  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> I have a 14 pro and the dianamic island is accessable but, I see no 
> particualar advantage in using it for us.  you can interact with sertin 
> things like mpas, timers, music atleast those are the few that I have heard 
> about  there might be more but, it seems to me just as easy to open the 
> relevent ap to do the task rather than accessing it from the island.   maybe 
> timer might be good to see time left but, if you have your phone unlocked it 
> is just as easy to open the clock ap as it is to use the island.  same for 
> music and maps likely.  Just my perspective.
> 
> Billy Maynard
> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
> To: "via VIPhone" 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2022 10:28 AM
> Subject: Dynamic island and Accessibility
> 
> 
> I have a friend who is considering the purchase of a new iPhone. He’s 
> debating between the 13 and 14 pro. His concern over the 14 pro is the 
> dynamic island. I know there are at least a few of you on here that have a 14 
> pro, so I am interested in comments on the dynamic island, it’s usability 
> accessibility etc. Is there any advantage to it for us? Disadvantage? I will 
> pass along any relevant comments to my friend to help inform his purchase 
> decision.
> Mary
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Re: Reading prescription labels

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi,

I am wondering if this might not be a perfect example where NaviLens could 
be of use? Not only can the labels be as small as you need them, they could 
also translate for those whose language is  not the prevailing one, so, 
visitors from abroad etc. It is free aty the point of use and would be totally 
simple for pharmacies to apply.

NaviLens is such wonderful stuff!!!

P.S. not sure, but think that the adtual licence for the public  labels would 
have to be owned by the manufacturer.sandy and Z. 

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 26 Nov 2022, at 15:09, Lyne  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> There is Script Talk with EnVisionAmerica but not available everywhere ...
> 
> Lyne
> 
>> Le 26 nov. 2022 à 09:15, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> a écrit :
>> 
>> You could gently remove the label and get Seeing A I to read it. I guess 
>> LiDAR could, if you have it? 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2022 8:12 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Reading prescription labels
>> 
>> The problem is reading on the curve. The best solution is to get the 
>> pharmacy to connect with Envision America and their ScrirtTalk program which 
>> gives visually impaired people access to all of the medication info 
>> including the prescription number and refills remaining, etc.
>> You could try Voice Dream Scanner.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA.
>> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
>> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin My 
>> web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   On Nov 25, 2022, at 11:28 PM, Donald Raikes  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   Hi,
>> 
>>   Using my iPhone, what would be the best app to read the label on my
>>   prescription medications to get the prescription number for reordering
>>   the medication?
>> 
>>   I tried seeing ai but it didn't work very well at all. The rx number
>>   was too high on the label and the container lid got in the way I
>>   think.
>> 
>>   -- 
>> 
>>   Sincerely,
>>   Donald Raikes, CPACC
>>   Accessibility Specialist
>>   IAAP Certified Professional in Accessibility Core
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fixing a compass heading

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
I want to say fix my heading to go to south and have the phone keep me on 
track, how can I do this? I want to use the built-in compass app but I am open 
to other suggestions. when I open the built-in compass app I can point and get 
compass directions but I don't seem to be able to do anything else at all.
Thanks for any help, Sandy and Z

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Any tricks for dealing with attachmnts?

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi,

So, I have an email with 5 attachments, is there a way for me to select all 
attachments and then share them? I know I can open them each individually, but 
is there not a better way? Really, I want to forward them in an email, but 
without the accompanying message.

You would think that the attachments folder would offer some extra 
functionality, but I can't find it!

Thanks in advance, Sandy and Z. 

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Re: NaviLens

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Steve,

It iw more than alright! Thanks for posting, this was a very good and 
informative interview/presentation and it sounds like people over there, on 
your side of the pond, are as keen as we are here! So, now, how to make it 
grow? Marty is right, was do need to up the profile of NaviLens for it to 
become truly useful and available world-wide!

As this technology is software based and can run on all mobile platforms, 
it can be used by anyone with a phone, which is getting to be nearly everyone! 
Itruly think that this is the first bit of new technology, since the invention 
of the screen-reader, to change our lives and open up the world to us.

I do hope that anyone who finds interviews, articles and new uses of 
NaviLens will send them in here and we, in turn, can share them on...

Thanks again, nice work! Sandy and Zyon, who wants to go to one of those 
camps you have over there!

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 17 Nov 2022, at 11:14, Steve Cook  wrote:
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> Hi All!
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> I hope this is ok to post here since this pertains to the NaviLens app!
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> The Computer Science & Technology Division (CSTD) of the NFB of SC had a 
> presentation from Oran McAllister with NaviLens to tell us all about 
> NaviLens. We have permission to share the recording of Oran’s presentation to 
> others who were not able to attend! 
> 
> You will be able to find the recording for the NaviLens presentation at the 
> below links on the National Federation of the Blind of South Carolina’s 
> podcast. While their, go ahead and subscribe to our podcast feed! 
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> 
> Part 1
> 
> https://anchor.fm/national-federation-of-the-blind-of-south-carolina/episodes/NaviLens-Part-1-e1qsqsn
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> Part 2
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What can I do about "Haptic touch"?

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Hi,

After a long time of suffering with 3d touch on my old iPhone 8, I managed 
to turn it off, but now, on my 14 Pro, I have Haptic touch, which I don't seem 
to be able to turn off. I find it affects my typing when using the onboard 
keyboard! Can anyone offer advice?

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testing

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Am I getting to the list?

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Finding and opening attachmentns.

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Hi,

Can anyone tell me the easiest way to access and open attachments running 
the latest IOS?

   It used to be easy, just go down to the bottom  of the message and there 
they were. But now , you have to use the virtical slider thingy, and then, if 
you can find one attachemtn, you have to do the same again for the next, as it 
always seems to jump back to the top of the message!

There must be a better way!

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Re: Upgraded to iPhone 14 Pro and have questions

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Hi Katriona,    I just checked it out: go to settings/accessibility/touch/back tap. You will find two choices, a double backtap and a tripple. I chose the doubletap, on the back, for the home button and the tripple for the detection mode in the Measure app.     While I was in "touch" in settings, I noticed something called "swipe to wake" which I turned off. I think this might stop my phone from waking up and talking, usually telling me what it is seeing, everytime I touch it, when it i meant to be asleep! If you find your phone unlocks, or at least, starts talking, whenever you handle it, try disabling this one too!    Another work around, if stuck either in the control centre or the app switcher, is to use Siri, just open another app.    Enjoy your phone! Sandy and Z. Sent from The dark side of the moonOn 8 Nov 2022, at 04:40, Katrina Anderson  wrote:Hi Sandy, I feel so silly for not thinking about the scrub gesture to get out of the App Switcher, Control Center, etc.  I even used the scrub gesture a time or two today for other things…it just didn’t enter my mind that this could be a solution for some of my issues today.  Thank you so much for reminding me!  It helps so much when exiting the App Switcher, Control Center and to move backwards through menus. Could you elaborate a bit more about setting "home" as the macro for a double tap on the back of the phone.  I think there was discussion about this on the list, but It wasn’t pertinent to me so I didn’t absorb much.  What is the process for setting up actions that happen by tapping on the back of the phone?  It appears I may be getting better with using the gesture to open the App Switcher and Control Center.  The man who sold me the phone, said I needed to touch a visual bar, that is a fraction above the case, before sliding the finger.  so I’ve been turning/twisting various fingers, trying to start sliding from the case up.  Others on this list today referred to use of a flick gesture, which initially confused me as flicking means the finger taps and quickly leaves the display; like flicking a bug away.  I’m now trying a motion that begins like a flick, but instead of touching the display and quickly leaving it, the pad of my finger lands a tiny bit above the case, and then slides toward the top of the display.  It kind of feels like an ice skater jumping onto ice and then sliding.  There’s probably a better movement, but at least it appears to be getting easier.   Oh, I almost always have Siri open apps.  I typically go to the App Switcher to close apps, which Siri won’t do, along with opening the App Switcher.  I know some might question my desire to close apps; it’s just my preference.    To be honest, back in the day, I never thought I could use an iPhone, but with time/experience, I developed pretty good skill.  I’m certain things are going to get easier, especially with the kind support of others, like yourself, to get me through the learning curve. Lastly, in case anyone is curious, my Instacart issue was resolved by deleting and reinstalling the app (Apple Accessibility suggestion). .  Also, something I didn’t mention, is that many of my news alerts weren’t coming via notifications.  After going to the app, and ensuring the settings were configured correctly, the alerts are starting to roll in again.  VO is still not reading notifications on the lock screen, but Apple Accessibility reminded me I could simply use “hey Siri” to get the notifications read.  It seems like a good plan, but I have never used “hey Siri” so will try to remember and get in the habit of doing that until the feature returns to my phone.   Katrina From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone  Sent: Monday, November 7, 2022 4:25 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Upgraded to iPhone 14 Pro and have questions Katriona,     A couple  of weeks ago, I made the same  upgrade as you and can identify with your frustrations. First thing I did was set "home" as the macro for a double tap on the back of the phone. When I am in the control centre, especially by mistake, I find that I can get out by a scrub gesture. Mind you, you have to wait a second or two for it to move you out of the control centre.      I too, have to make several attempts to use the bottom of screen and slide up, for the home button, So, rarely use it. Remember Siri can help. Instead of using the app switcher to go to another running app, I just reopen it using Siri.      HTH a bit, and I am relying upon the fact that many here say that they don't miss the home button. I have always found the VO gestures intuitive and am disappointed with the one we have to use for Home and App Switcher.     Mind you, I do think this is a much superior phone, especially, the camera functionality, than the 8.     Sandy and Z. Sent from The dark side of the moonOn 7 Nov 2022, at 20:14, Katrina Anderson <kanderson8...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:Hello All, I replaced my iPhone 8 yesterday wi

Re: Upgraded to iPhone 14 Pro and have questions

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Katriona,    A couple  of weeks ago, I made the same  upgrade as you and can identify with your frustrations. First thing I did was set "home" as the macro for a double tap on the back of the phone. When I am in the control centre, especially by mistake, I find that I can get out by a scrub gesture. Mind you, you have to wait a second or two for it to move you out of the control centre.     I too, have to make several attempts to use the bottom of screen and slide up, for the home button, So, rarely use it. Remember Siri can help. Instead of using the app switcher to go to another running app, I just reopen it using Siri.     HTH a bit, and I am relying upon the fact that many here say that they don't miss the home button. I have always found the VO gestures intuitive and am disappointed with the one we have to use for Home and App Switcher.    Mind you, I do think this is a much superior phone, especially, the camera functionality, than the 8.    Sandy and Z. Sent from The dark side of the moonOn 7 Nov 2022, at 20:14, Katrina Anderson  wrote:Hello All, I replaced my iPhone 8 yesterday with a 14 Pro 256 and IOS 16 iPhone.1.  Although I am managing to deal with no home button, it certainly isn’t easy yet.  Although I will probably have additional questions in the future, for now, I would appreciate any answers or thoughts about the following: I’m not able to sign in to the Instacart app.  After entering the E-mail address and password, there appears to be a captcha, including a visual and audio challenge.  I click on the audio option and then play; hear the challenge, but then I can’t move forward.  There is a field to enter what I heard; I double tap, as VO says to do, and nothing; no keyboard is displayed and there’s no dictate button.  You can click on a new challenge, visual challenge and verify (the latter results in VO saying “in progress” of course an answer was entered so I didn’t expect anything to happen).  Hopefully there is an easy solution to this.Voiceover (VO) is still not getting notifications on the lock screen.  I had hoped this would be resolved by getting a newer phone.  FYI, I have the setting for Siri to announce notifications turned off, as it seems redundant to have VO and Siri do the same thing, and because I thought it might cause a conflict.  Thoughts?Because of the design of the 14 Pro, I’m finding it less efficient to back out of menus, etc.  On prior phones, I could quickly touch the top/left of the display to find the back button.  Now, if I go to high, I activate the Control Center; if I could only activate the Home Screen and App Switcher as easily (i.e. I can activate them eventually but usually after numerous attempts to slide my finger from the bottom up).  Now that I’m in the Control Center, I have to go through the attempts to return to the Home Screen, and then attempt to find the back button by swiping a lot.  Is there an easier way to navigate menus, or tricks to make the process more efficient?Is it possible to change a setting so  that the Control Center doesn’t open when touching the top of the display?  Again, getting out of areas like the Control Center, App Switcher and submenus on the Home Screen can be done, but it is certainly a challenge.  I put my finger at the bottom, above the lightening port, and slide up to the first vibration and let go.  The thing is it takes me multiple attempts to feel the vibration, so I assume I didn’t start in the proper place, low enough, etc.  Hopefully this will eventually get easier, but in the meantime suggestions are welcome.  Is there an alternative to what I’m doing to exit these areas (e.g. can Siri help, could the side button help, etc.)?  I recall someone reporting on this list, that she heard VO  announce something to identify the Home Screen and App Switcher, and then she lifts her finger.  Should VO be announcing that for me?  I just get the vibration.  Should I wait longer to let go in order to hear VO?Looking forward to receiving any support you can provide,Katrina



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Re: NaviLens and label types and uses

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Danny,    Thanks for sending in this link, I do hope people join us. NaviLens has such potential, and it crosses over between the private, at home or school, to the public, like trains, planes and automobiles! From finding something very small, like an aspirin bottle, to a pyramid (if they let us put up a label!) I use these labels on shops, not only to let me know which shop it is, but also to let me know where to find the adjacent busstop. Dustbins, postboxes, a car in a carpark, even, people, with name-tags, in conferences, or, sometime, staff in hotels, hospitals and schools. The use case is endless. and, it works, it just works!   I'm not in love... It's because...    Sandy and Z Sent from The dark side of the moonOn 11 Oct 2022, at 19:30, dlng321.mob...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Sandy, Thanks for letting us know about the Navilens email list!  it will be a great help for many people!  People can subscribe to the list by sending a blank email to this address  letsnavilens+subscr...@groups.io  Have fun! Danny  From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone  Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2022 11:45 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: NaviLens and label types and uses Holly,     I do, at last, have the link to the new list, but my address for the viphone list is messed up! This always happens to me, so, here is the link to subscribe, you may need to put something in the subject line, if the "send" button is dimmed. letsnavilens+subscr...@groups.io I hope it works, and, while I am trying to sort out my viphone  address, please feel free to pass it on,     Thanks, Sandy Sent from The dark side of the moonOn 11 Oct 2022, at 15:50, Holly <fe...@comcast.net> wrote: Sandy: The link I sent to Richard for the vinyl paper also works with ink jet printers.  I have an ink jet color printer. Will be anxious to get the paper and labels, and looking forward to the new NaviLens list.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/682256092FE549D1837E7400E8ABD8D6%40Dino.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/8A858174-95A8-4A70-A4FF-A27587665958%40googlemail.com.



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Fwd: New NaviLens Group has arrived!

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Sent from The dark side of the moon

Begin forwarded message:

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> Date: 11 October 2022 at 16:50:03 IST
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> Subject: New NaviLens Group has arrived!
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> Hi,
> 
>Here it is , for all things NaviLens together with its apps! Fingers 
> crossed this works! Some may need, as I did, to put something, could be a 
> fullstop/period in the subject line to get the "send" button to undim. See 
> you all there!
> letsnavilens+subscr...@groups.io 
> Sandy.
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Re: NaviLens and label types and uses

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Holly,    I do, at last, have the link to the new list, but my address for the viphone list is messed up! This always happens to me, so, here is the link to subscribe, you may need to put something in the subject line, if the "send" button is dimmed. letsnavilens+subscr...@groups.io I hope it works, and, while I am trying to sort out my viphone  address, please feel free to pass it on,    Thanks, Sandy Sent from The dark side of the moonOn 11 Oct 2022, at 15:50, Holly  wrote:



Sandy:
 
The link I sent to Richard for the vinyl paper also works with ink jet 
printers.  I have an ink jet color printer.
 
Will be anxious to get the paper and labels, and looking forward to the new 
NaviLens list.



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Re: NaviLens and label types and uses

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Mich,    I hope to be able to announce the new list, this afternoon, so please watch this space!    As for Canada, I do not know, but other people from Canada are also interested. We will know more when the list gets going later. However, that is not all there is to navilens, apart from the public labels, which anyone with an app can read, there are also personal label kits, free from navilens, got through the app. You can print them out, if you have a colour printer, laminate them, it you can, or just play with the paper copies, but this is not the best experience. They can also be printed on vinyl paper, available from Amazon. more info re this will appear on the new 'Let's NaviLens" list.     more info to come! Sandy and Z. Sent from The dark side of the moonOn 11 Oct 2022, at 14:20, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:Hi all I would laos like to join a group like this. My question though is does any one know if this is avlaible in Canada? Since I have not herd about it being in Canada. I know it is in the US and the UK but I have herd nothing about Canada. Many thanks for any one who can answer this question. From Mich. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Beth GSent: October 11, 2022 9:14 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: NaviLens and label types and uses Hi all, I too would love to join a NaviLens specific group.I’ve never used it, but I’m seeing ways that I definitely could. Thanks, Beth Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 10, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:Hi,I started this thread to help separate this topic from Air Tags. First, Sandy, if you start a groups.io group, I will join though I have not used NaviLens myself as much as I thought I would. Also Sandy, what info can you share about the iron-on labels? Holly or Sandy, if you find vinal paper that can take laser printing, let me know what it is and perhaps a link to Amazon? I really liked Martin’s idea about the basketball hoop.  When I was in High School, in the earliest of the 70’s, I had someone stand under the hoop and hit it with my cane.I shot about 50% from the free-throw line, which at the time was as good or a little better than Wilt Chamberlin.  Later, Richard“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard My web site: https://www.turner42.com礪 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/010701d8dcff%242385eba0%246a91c2e0%24%40comcast.net.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/B808BBAF-8BF6-4525-A751-2871B5BA6971%40gmail.com.



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Re: NaviLens and label types and uses

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Richard and Holly,    Richard, your memories of aiming your basket ball toward the hoop, just above a friend's head, rather makes me think of William Tell, who shot the apple sitting on his son's head, the apple that is, not William Tell!    Enough thrivolity, back to the serious things in life, NaviLens!! I know what you mean re using NaviLens, I had my tags for quite a while, before getting serious with them. this involved laminating them, now, using vinyl paper instead, this gives you something to properly get your teeth around! Also, unless NaviLens is adopted widely, you only get to play with the personal labelling  vunctionality and miss out on the huge public access to signage, that navilens truly represents! However, today is a big day for the States, because Kellogg's have announced that they are putting navilens labels on all their products, so you too, Richard, can play in the supermarket isles, detecting where to find your Coco pops! Just as we, in Europe, have been doing for a little while now!    The IO Group is nearly borne, This afternoon should see it brought to the light! That will be in the morning for you... I will post a link to it as soon as it exists!    Holly, do please let us know how the vinyl paper works out. I have some here, can't remember its name, but we only have an ink jet printer, will try them out though and send in feedback.    Onwards and upwards! Sandy and the Challenged one... Sent from The dark side of the moonOn 11 Oct 2022, at 00:22, Richard Turner  wrote:Hi,I started this thread to help separate this topic from Air Tags. First, Sandy, if you start a groups.io group, I will join though I have not used NaviLens myself as much as I thought I would. Also Sandy, what info can you share about the iron-on labels? Holly or Sandy, if you find vinal paper that can take laser printing, let me know what it is and perhaps a link to Amazon? I really liked Martin’s idea about the basketball hoop.  When I was in High School, in the earliest of the 70’s, I had someone stand under the hoop and hit it with my cane.I shot about 50% from the free-throw line, which at the time was as good or a little better than Wilt Chamberlin.  Later, Richard“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard My web site: https://www.turner42.com礪 



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Re: Considering buying AirTags. How accessible is the app? What are some good uses for them? Talked me into buying. Lol.

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

marty,

Keep the suggestions coming, truly, these are so versatile, the ideas are 
endless!

I am encountering problems setting up an IO Group email list, a platform I 
like, but I have a cooking list on IO, and I think that is my lot! So, as soon 
as I have found someone who wants to set the group, they wouldn't have to do 
anything else, unless they wanted to, watch this space, then we can all get 
talking everything NaviLens and get people trying it out!

Sandy and Z.   

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 10 Oct 2022, at 14:03, Marty Hutchings  wrote:
> 
> Sorry for hijacking this topic.  Please count me in on the new Navilense 
> group.  I am new to this ap and am thinking of all kinds of possibilities for 
> the use of this product.  For 1, how about name tags at conventions and such. 
>  The sighted world can just read a name tag and call you by name.  If the tag 
> had a Navilense code on it, I could just use my phone to find people in a 
> room full of people and know who is speaking to me.  I might even be able to 
> shoot some hoops again by placing a tag on the basketball goal, because it 
> gives me the distance and direction in my bone conduction headphones, which 
> are a must have if you use any kind of navigational ap these days.  Just some 
> of the ideas that keep popping into my head for this product.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Marty Hutchings
> 
>> On 10/10/2022 3:18 AM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone wrote:
>> Richard,
>> 
>> You are talking about my most favourite app for identification and 
>> navigation!!! NaviLens is wonderful and at an important point in its 
>> development. I am on a campaign, as a user of the app, although, I do have 
>> links with the NaviLens Team, to get people using the free app. Over here, 
>> in Ireland and the UK, some products are using the NaviLens QR Codes, so 
>> that when you are in the supermarket, you just fire up the app, and scan the 
>> shelves and voila! your phone will find the codes, identify them and guide 
>> you, minutely, to exactly where they are on the shelf. Also, with just a 
>> flick, you can read all the info that is available to the sighted public, 
>> instructions, ingredients safety etc.
>> 
>> We have started a Whatsapp group for NaviLens users, but I am thinking 
>> to start an IO group, which would be more manageable,. Because, at the 
>> moment, P and G, and Kellogg's, are using the codes, so, we can find the 
>> products in the cereal isle, in the beauty isle and now in the laundry isle! 
>> Each time a code is scanned, the app informs the navilens website, 
>> phones/people are anonymous, but the scan is registered to see how much 
>> people are using the app. Unfortunately, because of many reasons, most of 
>> which we all know, VIPs have developed our own ways of shopping, which 
>> doesn't often involve shopping in person or independently. But business is 
>> int3rested in numbers, so, if we want this to grow, we need to get 
>> scanning!!! This is my mission in life, for the present...
>> 
>> People don't know that you can get iron-on clothing labels, not for 
>> free, but you can record any info you like on them, colour, washing 
>> instructions etc. There is so much potential for these codes and for us! 
>> Watch this space for the new NaviLens User Group on the IO platform!!!
>> 
>> Sandy and new Guide Dog, Zyon The Bold!
>> 
>> Sent from The dark side of the moon
>> 
>>>> On 9 Oct 2022, at 16:07, Richard Turner  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Beth,
>>> Check out the app, NaviLens which is free.
>>> You can request pdf files of tags you print off, then scan with NaviLens 
>>> and enter or record whatever text you want.
>>> The tags come in multiple sizes, full page, 4 on a page, 16 on a page and 
>>> so on.
>>> The full page one is scannable at at least 70 or 80 feet away.
>>> What I would do, is print out a full page or at least the 4 on a page, Tape 
>>> it on a window near the door, and when you are getting close, fire up 
>>> NaviLens and once it sees the label, it will lead you to it.
>>> 
>>> If your address is posted on that door, or near it, if you have a pro model 
>>> of the 12, 13, or 14, the new door detection feature might work as well.
>>> 
>>> HTH,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard, USA.
>>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
>>> it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>>> 
>>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>

Re: Considering buying AirTags. How accessible is the app? What are some good uses for them? Talked me into buying. Lol.

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Holly,

Good questions, and I have done all of the above! I started out with the 
paper printouts, which flew away and were useless in the rain. Then I put them 
in freezer bags, which worked but was not exactly slick! Then I laminated them, 
and this was much better! You really feel like you have something identifiable, 
not just bits of paper. They work well inside and, if you live in a fairly dry 
climate, I live in Ireland! they will do alright outside. However, NaviLens do 
suggest that the best is printing on Vinyl. I bought some Vinyl Paper from 
Amazon, these are self adhesive, just pull off the backing. With the laminated 
ones, I use double sided sticky tape, but it doesn't stay on in the wind and 
rain. 

You do need a colour printer to print them. This is one good reason for 
starting up a new email list, for swapping ideas and experiences. 

The clothing labels are available online, from spain, they do cost, maybe 
30 euros/dollars, for about 70 labels, but don't quote me on that, I can try 
and find out more?

If you haven't tried the labels yet, I do urge you to, they are not only 
great for giving us access to signage, something the sighted world has had for 
ever, and now can be for us too! They can be brilliant for orientation and so 
much more!

Sandy and Zyon the thief! 



Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 10 Oct 2022, at 16:02, Holly  wrote:
> 
> Sandy:
> 
> Can you use these tags on outside objects, such as garbage cans?  I imagine 
> they would work outside if you laminated them, or put them in a clear 
> waterproof bag that you could secure to an object.
> 
> Also, where can you get the iron-on clothing labels?
> 
> Holly  USA 
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Re: Considering buying AirTags. How accessible is the app? What are some good uses for them? Talked me into buying. Lol.

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Richard,

You are talking about my most favourite app for identification and 
navigation!!! NaviLens is wonderful and at an important point in its 
development. I am on a campaign, as a user of the app, although, I do have 
links with the NaviLens Team, to get people using the free app. Over here, in 
Ireland and the UK, some products are using the NaviLens QR Codes, so that when 
you are in the supermarket, you just fire up the app, and scan the shelves and 
voila! your phone will find the codes, identify them and guide you, minutely, 
to exactly where they are on the shelf. Also, with just a flick, you can read 
all the info that is available to the sighted public, instructions, ingredients 
safety etc. 

We have started a Whatsapp group for NaviLens users, but I am thinking to 
start an IO group, which would be more manageable,. Because, at the moment, P 
and G, and Kellogg's, are using the codes, so, we can find the products in the 
cereal isle, in the beauty isle and now in the laundry isle! Each time a code 
is scanned, the app informs the navilens website, phones/people are anonymous, 
but the scan is registered to see how much people are using the app. 
Unfortunately, because of many reasons, most of which we all know, VIPs have 
developed our own ways of shopping, which doesn't often involve shopping in 
person or independently. But business is int3rested in numbers, so, if we want 
this to grow, we need to get scanning!!! This is my mission in life, for the 
present... 

People don't know that you can get iron-on clothing labels, not for free, 
but you can record any info you like on them, colour, washing instructions etc. 
There is so much potential for these codes and for us! Watch this space for the 
new NaviLens User Group on the IO platform!!!

Sandy and new Guide Dog, Zyon The Bold! 

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 9 Oct 2022, at 16:07, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> Beth,
> Check out the app, NaviLens which is free.
> You can request pdf files of tags you print off, then scan with NaviLens and 
> enter or record whatever text you want.
> The tags come in multiple sizes, full page, 4 on a page, 16 on a page and so 
> on.
> The full page one is scannable at at least 70 or 80 feet away.
> What I would do, is print out a full page or at least the 4 on a page, Tape 
> it on a window near the door, and when you are getting close, fire up 
> NaviLens and once it sees the label, it will lead you to it.
> 
> If your address is posted on that door, or near it, if you have a pro model 
> of the 12, 13, or 14, the new door detection feature might work as well.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Beth G
> Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2022 7:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Considering buying AirTags. How accessible is the app? What are 
> some good uses for them? Talked me into buying. Lol.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I appreciate the discussion because I think it’s talked me out of buying 
> because there’s probably other ways I can accomplish what I need. I am 
> looking to learn where a door is in a row of townhomes where there is no 
> distinguishing landmarks or clues to know which is which. But I could at 
> least till winter put some thing audible in the house by the door like a 
> small radio or some thing that I could hear. Until I learn, which is which. 
> An AirTag would work for this, but I think there are other better solutions. 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> BetH
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 8, 2022, at 10:40 PM, The Evil Chocolate Cookie 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> If you’re looking to attach it to something like a remote or anything with 
>> a big enough flat surface, a good old-fashioned piece of tape will do the 
>> trick.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Oct 8, 2022, at 3:00 PM, Keith Kramlinger  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi,
>>> I have not yet pursued getting AirTags. I do understand, however, that in 
>>> addition to the AirTag,one needs to acquire AirTag holders, so they can be 
>>> affixed to things like keychains, luggage, etc. Of course you could stuff 
>>> it inside a pocket, but this solution may not always work.
>>> This is just an FYI.
>>> If anyone is aware of third-party AirTag holding devices, I would be 
>>> interested to learn how expensive these are. I believe the ones from Apple 
>>> are not necessarily an expensive.
>>> Best, Keith USA
>>> 
>>> 
> On Oct 8, 2022, at 11:36 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
 
 As I understand it, they use the Find My app, which is totally accessible.
 
 As Sieghard says, you are the only one who can say if you need them.  I 
 personally don't need to spend $30 for one little tag to track anything.
 Perhaps if I 

Re: Playing with the camera app

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

thank you! That's has saved me a lot of time with trial and error…
I am decided now, it is the iPhone 14 for me! With Lidar!
Sandy and Z

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 27 Jul 2022, at 14:28, CHELA Robles  wrote:
> 
> Those features do not work on iPhone 8 models and under. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 27, 2022, at 6:12 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> True, but when I read that post and other articles on the web, it sounded 
>> like the live text feature was just for OCR on text and the image 
>> recognition feature only worked on photos. Obviously, I could have read 
>> things wrong, but I was still surprised when placing VoiceOver focus in the 
>> view finder of my camera app instantly recognized object and did OCR on any 
>> text it came across all at the same time.
>>  
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 7:41 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Playing with the camera app
>>  
>> This is why I always read the Applevis.com blog upon each release of iOS, 
>> iPadOS, or WatchOS.
>> The live text feature came in iOS 15 last September.
>> There is also a podcast by Thomas Donnville on the live text feature.
>> You can read that blog post here:
>> https://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-releases-ios-15-ipados-15-bringing-focus-modes-live-text-enhancements-multitasking
>>  
>> I do not recall if older phones cannot perform the live text do to their 
>> chip limitation; but a call to Apple Accessibility would answer that. 
>> 1-877-204-3930
>> HTH,
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Richard
>> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
>> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 27, 2022, at 4:43 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I’m running the latest IOS on an iPhone 11.
>>  
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>>  
>> From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone  
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 3:01 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Playing with the camera app
>>  
>> Chris,
>> I just tried this on my iPhone 8 running the latest iOS, and all I was told 
>> about was faces. What phone and which iOS are you running?
>> Thanks, looks very interesting, Sandy
>>  
>> Sent from The dark side of the moon
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 27 Jul 2022, at 01:10, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> This is probably old news to everyone, but I just stumbled across something, 
>> and I’m so excited, I want to share. This is how clueless I am, but I was 
>> looking for a screen recording I’d just done, and not knowing where else to 
>> look, I brought up the camera app. While I was exploring the camera app, I 
>> heard it announcing things like no people, keyboard, … I realized it was 
>> telling me what was on my desk! After playing around, I found out that if 
>> you move focus to the top to the view finder, the camera app will read text 
>> to you and identify objects. I ran downstairs to show my wife, and I heard 
>> it say “cat on a flat surface with a laptop and a glass with a beverage”. I 
>> was pointing it at my kitchen table which had our cat on it, waiting to be 
>> fed, my wife’s laptop and her glass of sparkling water! It’s not going to 
>> replace the Seeing AI app for me yet, but it seemed awfully fast and 
>> accurate!
>>  
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Re: Playing with the camera app

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Chris,
I just tried this on my iPhone 8 running the latest iOS, and all I was told 
about was faces. What phone and which iOS are you running?
Thanks, looks very interesting, Sandy

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 27 Jul 2022, at 01:10, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> 
> This is probably old news to everyone, but I just stumbled across something, 
> and I’m so excited, I want to share. This is how clueless I am, but I was 
> looking for a screen recording I’d just done, and not knowing where else to 
> look, I brought up the camera app. While I was exploring the camera app, I 
> heard it announcing things like no people, keyboard, … I realized it was 
> telling me what was on my desk! After playing around, I found out that if you 
> move focus to the top to the view finder, the camera app will read text to 
> you and identify objects. I ran downstairs to show my wife, and I heard it 
> say “cat on a flat surface with a laptop and a glass with a beverage”. I was 
> pointing it at my kitchen table which had our cat on it, waiting to be fed, 
> my wife’s laptop and her glass of sparkling water! It’s not going to replace 
> the Seeing AI app for me yet, but it seemed awfully fast and accurate!
>  
> --
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> Chaltain at Outlook
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Re: Removing vibration when typing

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Richard,
I wonder if you can help me while you are thinking about typing techniques? I 
believe I am running the latest version, however, my iPhone 8 has been behaving 
this way for a long time now. when are you still on board keyboard, in just 
about any application that uses it, I slide my finger around ready to lift it, 
and and presented with the statement "moving insertion point". and, indeed, it 
does move the insertion point, or the cursor, not sure which it really means, 
and messes up my typing! so much so that I really don't use it anymore. it 
looks to me as if the keyboard thinks I want to insert something like a picture 
video or an attachment, but I don't and I haven't issued any such command have 
you got any ideas, or perhaps someone else is experiencing this very 
frustrating functionality.
thanks for all tips and tricks, Sandy and the new boy ZYON

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 15 Mar 2022, at 15:27, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> Gezim wrote:
> A friend of mine is finding it difficult to type on iPhone using Voiceover, 
> because somehow it vibrates and in addition, as he presses the letters, it 
> too quickly brings up alternative characters.
> --
> There are a ton of settings under VoiceOver settings, Audio, Sounds and 
> Haptics.
> I’m not sure which one covers typing.
>  
> As for the alternative characters, I only get those if I let my finger set on 
> a letter for a long time.
>  
> Have them check that Slide to type is off in Settings, General, Keyboard.
>  
>  
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gezim 
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> Can you please give me some more detailed instructions?
>  
> Gezim
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> On 14 Mar 2022, at 22:10, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
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> 
> Hi Gezim your friend might have haptock feedback turned on under settings 
> from Mich.
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> Hi all,
>  
> A friend of mine is finding it difficult to type on iPhone using Voiceover, 
> because somehow it vibrates and in addition, as he presses the letters, it 
> too quickly brings up alternative characters. I know I am not good at 
> describing these issues properly, but I hope you will understand it.
>  
> I am not experiencing those issues on my iPhone, but I don’t remember what I 
> had changed in the settings.
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Fwd: "moving insertion point"

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Sent from The dark side of the moon

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Sandy Tomkins 
> Date: 7 March 2022 at 13:18:38 GMT
> To: viph...@googlegrroups.com
> Subject: "moving insertion point"
> 
> Hi,
> 
>Running the latest version of IOS, although this has heen happening for a 
> long time now, on an iPhone 8, when trying to use the onboard keyboard, using 
> direct touch, I keep getting the "moving insertion point" and it does, my 
> cursor is moved about the text. It drives me mad, does anyone know how to fix 
> it. I am guessing this is not a bug, rather, a setting? As I haven't seen 
> anyone else mention it.
> 
> 
> Thabnks, Sandy and Zyon The Good. 
> 
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Re: Looking for an app

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hi,
I've been using, for quite some time now, an app called "grow your own" I think 
it's from the Royal hotel cultural society in the UK. I don't know if it is 
updated to the latest iOS though. you could try searching for it on the App 
Store.
Good luck, Sandy

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> On 14 Oct 2021, at 13:30, Kay Malmquist  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> Does anyone here know of an app that is accessible that you can enter in a 
> plant name and find out information about that plant?  Watering, sunlight or 
> not, type of soil and so on?  If so, I would love to hear about it.  Thanks 
> much.
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Re: Using an auxiliary camera with apps like Seeing AI or BeMyEyes

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

thanks you two,
I shall contact the various app developers, but thought, just in case, someone 
who may have already done this or at least tried it. some of these cameras 
allow you to stream live, via your phone. so, I am hopeful… I have been trying 
to promote Navilens, here in Ireland. however, for  some people, the sort of 
holding the expensive iPhones out, and available to be pinched, is a 
showstopper. I can see lots of advantages to linking a small wearable camera to 
the phone and the apps on it, so I shall persevere.
Thanks, Sandy PS, we don't have a I RA here in Ireland yet.

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> On 23 Sep 2021, at 16:31, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Aira supports the use of Google Glasses as long as you are a subscriber. As 
> for Seeing AI and Be My Eyes why not write to the developers and ask or 
> suggest that they make this possible.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: September 23, 2021 7:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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>  
> I doubt that unless the app supports the app that comes with the wearable 
> camera.
> How about getting a holder designed to hold the phone with the camera facing 
> out.
> Cane Travel/mobility instructors have been using various ones for a long time.
> Plus people using AIRA etc.
> Some are just a lanyard you wear around your neck that are clear or have a 
> cut-out for the camera and you wear them at about your breastbone level.
> There are also wearable mounts that are like putting on a harness, that hold 
> the phone about a foot out from your chest.
> I do not have any particular brand names, but search the web, Amazon, etc., 
> and you should find something with the words hands free lanyard, or hands 
> free phone mount, ... good luck.
>  
> 
>  
> Richard
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> On Sep 23, 2021, at 2:31 AM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone 
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> Hi,
> 
>   Has anyone done this, using a wearable camera bluetoothed or wified to the 
> phone with these apps. I am playing with the NaviLens labelling system, and 
> want to use the app without needing to hold my phone in my hand.
> 
>Would love to know if it will work!
> 
>Thanks, Sandy. 
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Using an auxiliary camera with apps like Seeing AI or BeMyEyes

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi,

   Has anyone done this, using a wearable camera bluetoothed or wified to the 
phone with these apps. I am playing with the NaviLens labelling system, and 
want to use the app without needing to hold my phone in my hand.

Would love to know if it will work!

Thanks, Sandy. 

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Reporting back on the Navilense experiment with mobility trainer, Plus I got the first shot today!

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi,

So I took a couple of navilense tags with me today for my mobility lesson. 
I asked Mary, The Wonderful, if she would mind helping me with a little 
experiment. Of course, she said "yes", but I could tell she had her misgivings, 
roughly along the same lines as here, you know the sort of thing, "you mustn't 
weaken your core cane skills, and might it not be a distraction? What if the 
signal goes down? What if there's somthing blocking your line of sight? So, I 
made her the same answers that I have made here, with the addition of "if there 
is something blocking my line of sight, then it is blocking my clear path 
across the road, so, useful to know! Winwin!

She went across the road and tried holding the tag against a bollard, near 
the crossing point. Here I discovered my first assumption, I.E., this proved 
too narrow to hold the tag in a flat enough plane. So we just tried it with her 
holding the tag. The road is about 20 feet across, and my phone picked it up, 
no problem! I proceeded to cross, with the phone  giving me indicators that I 
was on path, I didn't try to do it exactly, not necessary, just  enough on 
track to be roughly straight. You could be more exact, but I was trying to keep 
it real and not be distracted. by the time we had repeated this a few times on 
a few crossings, I was nipping over in jig time, nice and straight and not 
distracted at all!

You can set it to voice, voice with sounds and just sounds. I had it set to 
both voice and sound, as I was practising, but for best results, I reckon just 
sounds would be the most intuitive and least distracting. However, with the 
voice it is nice to hear "3 meters, 2 meters 1 meter!" and you know you are 
there!!

By the end, Mary was quite onboard with the whole concept. She has been 
making notes and forwarding them the correct office in Irish Guide Dogs, for 
recommending tactiles etc, but we both know, this is not going to happen any 
time soon, so, something that works, even if it is just in the short term, is 
potentially valuable to me and, perhaps, for others. We noted that you need to 
use the largest of the tags, to ensure finding them  from a reasonable 
distance. This means that if I want to map the centre of Clonmel, I will have 
to use reprints of my 1 large tag and they will all have to have the same 
title. So, "crossing" Smaller tags would also be useful in shop windows, as I 
would be walking past them, much nearer. This could help, not only for finding 
shops, but also as a general way-marker. If I can get this sorted, in a very 
basic manner, I shall contact the council and see if I can get it done properly 
by the professionals from navilense.

Meanwhile, I sent a link to a discussion about something called "Navibelt" 
which, as I see, Garry is interested. I too think it looks OK, but costs nearly 
2000, and really, its main advantage over using the compass built in on the 
phone, is its ability to do a thing called "bee-line" which, by the way, the 
built-in compass can do, just doesn't seem to do it with voice-over. If anyone 
can get this to work with VO, or with another compass app, or, indeed, on 
Android, please let me know, it would be even easier than my navilense 
solution, but I will still go about mapping Clonmel with navilense, because it 
has many other uses.

   Last of all, I had my jab, had a slightly sore arm and slept on and off for 
a day and a half, am perfectly well now and have badges, proclaiming that I 
have had the vaccination!"

Happy travels! Sandy. -

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Re: In need of assistance

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

just a suggestion, I would get her an echo..Dot
you could use the phone to set up contacts and get the dot working, and provide 
a hotspot if she doesn't have Wi-Fi. she could just ask it to play a different 
radio stations, call people, listen to the news, play games, tell her jokes, 
pay music in this event is and it's so easy to interact with
Best wishes, Sandy

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> On 3 May 2021, at 19:14, Maria Campbell  wrote:
> 
> 
> Some older people can be quite ornery and set in their ways.  My 
> father-in-law was that way at first, but he came around at the end and 
> accepted assistance.  Good luck to you in your efforts.  
> 
> 
> 
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> --Edmund Burke
>> On 5/3/2021 2:07 PM, Kait Forbes wrote:
>> My Gran is not a very receptive person, she never was but I respect that and 
>> understand why.  At this time we are not set up as maybe you may be and I 
>> wish not to leave her alone without some form of assistance should she need 
>> help when I am not home.  I pay for help at the moment but that will only be 
>> for a short time.  All things are not in place at this time and I feel more 
>> secure  knowing she can reach me. Please understand, I am pressured to have 
>> some form of continuity and safety and having a phone would be number one 
>> priority.  I am reaching out to this community for any form of help it may 
>> offer.  I hope this explanation will help?
>> thank you ,
>> kait
>> 
>> On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 1:50 PM Star Gazer  wrote:
>>> May I ask why? If she’s happy without a phone, she doesn’t need to use one.
>>> 
>>> If she wants BARD books she can get them on cartridges and NLS provides 
>>> players so no need for a phone.
>>> 
>>> What all does she want to do with the phone that can’t be accomplished by 
>>> other means?
>>> 
>>> Would an Alexa be easier for her?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I think I’m stuck on what you want, what your grandma wants and why the 
>>> phone is so important?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Kait Forbes
>>> Sent: Monday, May 3, 2021 1:33 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: In need of assistance
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Everything is completely new to her, yes.  And me as well as it pertains to 
>>> the blind community.  As far as I am aware, computers are not her thing.  
>>> She is  aware of them but through me only.  I have never been in this 
>>> position to teach anyone anything but I am not afraid of constructive 
>>> criticism and hard work.  She will be a challenge that is for sure.  We are 
>>> starting from scratch and she refuses at this point to let someone help 
>>> her.  I know this is her denial stage but if I can get her to just pick up 
>>> the darn phone it's a start.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 10:40 AM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are you sighted trying to help your almost blind Grandmother and what is 
>>> your Grandmother's ability when  it comes to technology?
>>> 
>>> Has she been using a smartphone and computers when she could still see and 
>>> has an understanding abut basic concepts or would it be completely new to 
>>> her? Knowing this would probably help a lot when somebody tried to help out.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kait 
>>> Forbes
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 8:37 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: In need of assistance
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Good morning everyone,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Okay, Let me give you a bit of background.  I Care for my Grandmother, she 
>>> is my mom.  With recent illness she is now almost totally blind.  I need to 
>>> Help her get some kind of handle on things so I am starting with her phone. 
>>>  I need help and I am told this is one of the groups that can do this for 
>>> us.  With your help I too will have the knowledge to assist her.  I bought 
>>> her the iPhone  SE 2nd. generation. It says it has the version iso 14.5 
>>> with that in mind Please , How in the world can I set this up for her?  
>>> Many thanks for your help and support here.
>>> 
>>> Kait
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Re: using the Compass with VoiceOver

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Dan and Caroline,
Thanks very much for your feedback! I shall keep practising and see if I can up 
my game!
Thanks again, Sandy

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> On 30 Apr 2021, at 23:29, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> That makes sense now. It has been a while since I've used it, and I never had 
> that happen that much; yet, of course, I did not always go in a straight 
> line. I did remember it occasionally happening though. I think the compass is 
> teriffic for getting out of a large room, and Siri will launch it, so, when 
> in a hurry, pretty nice thing to have. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Dan
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 4:49 PM
> To: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: using the Compass with VoiceOver
> 
> I do not use it very much so I just messed around with it to see what it did 
> for me.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The weird noises are indicators that the phone has tipped out of a perfectly 
> horizontal position.  For example, the leading edge may have dipped downward 
> slightly or slightly upward.  It can also happen when the sideways position 
> tips.   At least that seems to be what it is doing  for me.  I have used this 
> noise for an indicator of levelness when using the spirit level function of 
> the compass.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> If you have haptics turned on it will do a very small bump every 25 degrees 
> as you turn the phone around the horizon.  As the phone crosses the direction 
> of north(360 degrees) it will give a small double bump.  It will announce a 
> new degree heading every few degrees.  This seems to vary depending on how 
> quickly you rotate the phone.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> This is about as far as my knowledge goes so I hope it is helpful.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dan Beaver
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/30/2021 3:58 PM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone wrote:
> 
> 
>hi,
>Wonderful  if anyone can help: I need to use the compass to help with my 
> orientation while crossing roads. I Dhoni just begun playing with this app, 
> the one that came built-in with the iOS, I can get it to announce the 
> direction and compass point, but it also makes gloop noises, what do they 
> mean? when you turn VoiceOver off, these  go away, so, I imagine, they are 
> there to help us use the Compass… any insights would be very gratefully 
> received! Thanks, Sandy
>
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using the Compass with VoiceOver

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
Wonderful  if anyone can help: I need to use the compass to help with my 
orientation while crossing roads. I Dhoni just begun playing with this app, the 
one that came built-in with the iOS, I can get it to announce the direction and 
compass point, but it also makes gloop noises, what do they mean? when you turn 
VoiceOver off, these  go away, so, I imagine, they are there to help us use the 
Compass… any insights would be very gratefully received! Thanks, Sandy

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Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

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hi,
Jumping in here… I have updated my iPhone 8 to the latest iOS, but I'm still 
having great difficulty when doing my emails, the cursor still jumps around 
when in the list of emails, so, if I go into a message do you what I want with 
it and come back out of it, I am was placed at the beginning of the list of 
emails. similarly, if I am reviewing my list of unread emails, and a new one 
comes in, I'm jump straight back to the top of the list again. as I frequently 
have several hundred emails in the morning, this is driving me nuts, so, I'm 
doing my mail using my old iPhone 6. is anyone else having this problem? If so, 
please tell, otherwise, I shall try some resets et cetera.
thanks, Sandy

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> On 20 Nov 2019, at 23:05, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Has she updated to the latest 13.2.3 update?
> The Voiceover problems after a call were an issue in the earlier iOS 13 
> releases, but seem to have been fixed entirely with iOS 13.2 and we are now 
> on 13.2.3 with 13.3 already in Beta for some time, wouldn't be surprised if 
> 13.3 came out for the public either before Christmas or in the first part of 
> January.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of brian 
> albriton
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 9:24 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
> 
> With iOS 13, my wife's 6s crashes voiceoVer after an AIRA call. We are going 
> to look in to this with Apple accessibility. 
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2019, at 7:16 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> There are bugs one can work around and some one can't.
>> I did actually forget about the dictation issue, this actually is a 
>> super-annoying issue and there is no work-around except to take a Bluetooth 
>> keyboard and type the message, so yes, I guess that is a work-around but 
>> only if I am near my Bluetooth keyboard. Of course for people who only 
>> speak/use English this is not a problem.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Anthony Vece
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:56 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
>> 
>> Just reload the message
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>> 
>>> On Nov 19, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anthony
>>> 
>>> Like that friend of mine that encounters the fade-in speech bug or the 
>>> dictation bug whereas your second dictation line behaves in another 
>>> installed language ... how would you wirkaround these bugs?
>>> If one is using the native mail app constantly there is no way to rule the 
>>> focus. But if mail and notifications don't matter you there is no reason 
>>> not to update.
>>> Davy
>>> 
>>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Anthony Vece
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:31 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
>>> 
>>> Hi everybody;
>>> I have been using Apple products and it’s accompanying software for the 
>>> past 10 years.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I’ve always worked around Boggs.
>>> Nothing is perfect.
>>> That’s a fact of life and software.
>>> I believe everyone will be much happier if they learnto work around the 
>>> bugs.
>>> If you encounter a bug just report them to Apple Accessibility.
>>> Hope this helps
>>> Anthony
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>>> 
 On Nov 19, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
 
 No, please stay where you are!
 
 The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier.
 Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can 
 even not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like this.
 A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios and 
 mac os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he has the 
 bug since ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time when he takes 
 his iphone after let say 30 seconds of rest.
 So stay on ios12 like I do.
 Davy
 -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Joe Orozco
 Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
 
 Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging 
 steady on iOS 12.
 
 Joe
 
>> On 11/18/19, Richard Turner  wrote:
> A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen 
> input now works everywhere on the home screen.
> That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do 
> not use braille screen input, I know nothing more.
> HTH,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch 
> with it."
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, 
> by Jane Wagner
> 
> 
>> On Nov 18, 2019, at 

Using a brand new Orbit Reader with my iPhone 8 or 6?

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi,

Just received my Orbit Reader 20 and could make use of any good tips as to 
how to use it with my iPhones. I see there is an SD card installed, can I buy 
more and use them too? Can it work as a sort of file storage option? When 
editing a file, is it just using the left and right arrows to shift the cursor 
along? Also, is the position of the cursor the same as with apple? So, for 
example, when I have 2 letters together, say, b and n, when what I meant to 
write was "but not," so, with a space between them, where should I position the 
cursor to insert a space?

Really, any help much appreciated.

Sandy. (Who finally bit the bullet, having been waiting for years for the 
promised full page polymer display)  

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Re: Rainbow II Color Identifier

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi Richard,

I am back with the same  old question: to wit: can the Rainbow2 detect the 
colour and number of leds, say, on a battery back-up iPhone case?

Thanks, Sandy.

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> On 2 Nov 2019, at 21:19, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> Rainbow II
> By Edmonson Engineering:
> http://edmondsonengineering.com/Rainbow-II-Color-Reader.php
>  
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Re: IOS 13.1.2 Cursor jumping all over the place in the email app

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
Having adjusted the settings and disabled swipe mode in keyboards, I find that 
I am still having to use my iPhone 6 for checking my mail. my iPhone eight, 
running the latest version of iOS, still jumps to the top of the list of emails 
whenever I read a new message or a new message comes in. this makes it 
impossible for me to go through my mail in any reasonable time. I am afraid, it 
is still a bug!
Sandy

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> On 8 Oct 2019, at 18:55, Teresa Christian  wrote:
> 
> I literally was checking my email just before heading out to go to the
> Apple store to get my phone looked at.
> It has been doing really crazy stuff for the past two days.
> After I saw this email, went in to general and keyboards, made the
> change and it seems to be working fine.
> Here are some of the crazy things it was doing; A lot of them I would
> never think would get fixed with just that change.
> cursor bouncing all over the place
> Voice Over shutting down for no apparent reason
> Lots of intrusive messages such as
> Try this and try that
> Suggested this and that messages
> intrusive autofill when typing
> "voice control is not listening" every 3 seconds when I was on the phone
> I think there were more, but I can't remember them all.
> It was super bizarre behavior.
> My daughter and son-in-law are major geeks and can usually fix
> anything strange going on with my phone and they couldn't figure out
> what was going on this time.
> Thank you, you guys, you saved me a very time consuming trip to the Apple 
> Store.
> 
> For the person having trouble reading email.
> I don't usually delete my email the way you described, but I tried it
> to see what you might be talking about.
> I swipe to get to the body of the email, so don't know if you're doing
> the reading part that way.
> Then at the bottom it does only say from left to right, "Archives" and
> "More Actions Available"
> When I tapped on "More actions available" it opened up and then across
> the bottom it did not seem to have delete, but it has several rows of
> a ton of other stuff. I guess you'd have to tap on move to trash or
> junk to get rid of it.
> Has someone else found the delete button?
> Teresa☺
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10/8/19, Lynn Schneider  wrote:
>> It does not work for me When it comes to reading messages. I’m not sure if
>> you all are talking about reading or composing. Definitely, turning it off
>> helps with composing, but reading is another issue altogether. I spend so
>> much time just looking for the body of a message that it is ridiculous. And
>> in the past, I was able to swipe up to the delete button and just double tap
>> it to delete a message. Now, I cannot do that anymore and sometimes the
>> delete button is nearly impossible to find,  Even at the bottom of the
>> screen. For me at least, reading mail is dreadful right now and I really
>> hope it gets fixed soon.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 8, 2019, at 10:25 AM, Dave  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Sandy. I would appreciate it. If you could let us know, if it worked
>>> for you.
>>> 
>>> Dave.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 2:47 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: IOS 13.1.2 Cursor jumping all over the place in the email
>>> app
>>> 
>>> penny,
>>> I have just done this and hope it will work! Thanks for the tip!
>>> Sandy
>>> 
>>> Sent from The dark side of the moon
>>> 
>>>> On 8 Oct 2019, at 14:30, Penny Reeder  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Go to settings.then general, then keyboards. Turn off Slide to type.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 8, 2019, at 5:21 AM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Running an iPhone 8 with the latest ios version 13.1.2 and am having
>>>>> sever problems with the cursor moving, usually to the top of my email
>>>>> inbox list. I am having to use my iPhone 6, luckily, still running 12.4
>>>>> or whatever it is Is anyone else getting this behaviour? If I open
>>>>> an email to read it, then exit, I am placed back at the top of the
>>>>> inbox, as my inbox has many, many, messages in it, and I have to trawl
>>>>> through hundreds on a daly basis, my 8 has become unusable for mail. I
>>>>> ha

Re: IOS 13.1.2 Cursor jumping all over the place in the email app

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
It  seems a little better… I will wait until tomorrow before I make a final 
assessment.
Sandy

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> On 8 Oct 2019, at 16:34, viola  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> It didn’t work for me. Email works just the same.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 8, 2019, at 7:25 AM, Dave  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sandy. I would appreciate it. If you could let us know, if it worked for 
>> you.
>> 
>> Dave.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 2:47 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: IOS 13.1.2 Cursor jumping all over the place in the email app
>> 
>> penny,
>> I have just done this and hope it will work! Thanks for the tip!
>> Sandy
>> 
>> Sent from The dark side of the moon
>> 
>>>> On 8 Oct 2019, at 14:30, Penny Reeder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Go to settings.then general, then keyboards. Turn off Slide to type.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 8, 2019, at 5:21 AM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Running an iPhone 8 with the latest ios version 13.1.2 and am having sever 
>>>> problems with the cursor moving, usually to the top of my email inbox 
>>>> list. I am having to use my iPhone 6, luckily, still running 12.4 or 
>>>> whatever it is Is anyone else getting this behaviour? If I open an 
>>>> email to read it, then exit, I am placed back at the top of the inbox, as 
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Re: IOS 13.1.2 Cursor jumping all over the place in the email app

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

penny,
I have just done this and hope it will work! Thanks for the tip!
Sandy

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> On 8 Oct 2019, at 14:30, Penny Reeder  wrote:
> 
> Go to settings.then general, then keyboards. Turn off Slide to type.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 8, 2019, at 5:21 AM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>>   Running an iPhone 8 with the latest ios version 13.1.2 and am having sever 
>> problems with the cursor moving, usually to the top of my email inbox list. 
>> I am having to use my iPhone 6, luckily, still running 12.4 or whatever it 
>> is Is anyone else getting this behaviour? If I open an email to read it, 
>> then exit, I am placed back at the top of the inbox, as my inbox has many, 
>> many, messages in it, and I have to trawl through hundreds on a daly basis, 
>> my 8 has become unusable for mail. I have tried a reset settings, but it 
>> made no difference.
>> 
>> Help please! Sandy.
>> 
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IOS 13.1.2 Cursor jumping all over the place in the email app

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi,

Running an iPhone 8 with the latest ios version 13.1.2 and am having sever 
problems with the cursor moving, usually to the top of my email inbox list. I 
am having to use my iPhone 6, luckily, still running 12.4 or whatever it is 
Is anyone else getting this behaviour? If I open an email to read it, then 
exit, I am placed back at the top of the inbox, as my inbox has many, many, 
messages in it, and I have to trawl through hundreds on a daly basis, my 8 has 
become unusable for mail. I have tried a reset settings, but it made no 
difference.

Help please! Sandy.

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Re: Keto Recipes

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

there is also the Keto diet app

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> On 27 Sep 2019, at 16:49, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Steve,
> 
> I haven’t an app to suggest, but here’s a website with lots of free keto 
> recipes:
> 
> The 2 keto dudes podcast is a great source of information and fun to listen 
> to. Here’s the link to the home page:
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 27 Sep 2019, at 14:55, Cook, Steve  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All, 
>> 
>> Does anyone know of an app free or paid that works with VO to find Keto 
>> recipes?  
>> 
>> Steve
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Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Just a thought here,

There is an app called "what3words" which is free and boasts a 5 foot gps 
accuracy. It labels the whole of the land surface of the world, generates via 
computer, three words, rather than numbers, for every 3 metre square, or 10 
foot square approx. It will link to BlindSquare and other gps apps, so, try it, 
it might just give you that bit more fine tuning.

Good luck with the cake delivery! Sandy. t b

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> On 15 Sep 2019, at 18:55, 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> and it begs a question here, because we both have Blind Square and like it. 
> We live in a mobile home park, and it's absolutely crazy-making finding our 
> way from point A to point Be in here. We wish to find an app that will allow 
> us to drop bread crumbs so we know absolutely where we are at every given 
> minute. It would be rather embarrassing to carry a cake to the wrong 
> neighbor, or appear somewhere we should not, all ready to swim. The 
> embarrassing scenario possibilities are endless. We've got lots of programs 
> on our phones, Curt has his Trek, but we haven't yet found just the right 
> thing. *sigh*(
> 
> Karen
> At 08:35 AM 9/15/2019, you wrote:
>> Can you set up as a point of interest areas otherwise not found on the maps  
>> in any of the free apps? Such as a specific building on a university campus ?
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Richard Turner < richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> For those who do not want to pay $39.99 for Blind Square, take a look at 
>>> the free Lazarillo app. 
>>> It does not have the depth of features that Blind Square has; but it is a 
>>> good orientation app.
>>> If you want a walking route, you can get that from within Lazarillo.
>>> If you want a driving route, it can launch Google or Apple Maps I believe 
>>> and run in the background to tell you about streets or Points Of Interest.
>>> I turn off explore mode when first launching or it continues to talk about 
>>> places around you which interrupts hearing what you want in learning the 
>>> app.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard 
>>> 
>>> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 
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Re: From Apple Insideer about Shortcuts and robotic vacuumNeato robotic vacuums set to get Siri Shortcuts in the fall By Amber Neely Friday, August 02, 2019, 04:49 am PT (07:49 am ET)s

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

I have the botac connected I really don't remember how I set it up now, but I 
think I needed cited help for the very original setup. mind you, the app was 
much less access a ball then. One time, when I got into a mess with it, and 
there was no one here with me, are used  be my eyes to sort it out. most of the 
time, I don't use the app I just press the button. in the past I have had 
several roombersand more recently the Neato, I find the Neato is the best! it 
is also cheaper and has very good mobility skills, better than mine… I don't 
know about the more recent roombers, but one thing  the neato does, if it  
can't get back to the doc, it goes back to the place where you set it off. So, 
you always know where it will be.

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> On 2 Aug 2019, at 21:23, Marie  wrote:
> 
> Sandy,
> Which model Neato do you have and were you able to connect to wifi without 
> sighted assistance?
>  
>  
> From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone
> Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 12:48 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: From Apple Insideer about Shortcuts and robotic vacuumNeato 
> robotic vacuums set to get Siri Shortcuts in the fall By Amber Neely Friday, 
> August 02, 2019, 04:49 am PT (07:49 am ET)s
>  
> Sieghard,
> Now any kind of collie is going to be a challenge to a lot of hoovers 
> especially those with rotating brushes. even though your mum had the task of 
> completely emptying and re-systemising the brushes and the bin, her floors 
> did  get hoovered! if a person is a bit arthritic or, like me, doesn't see at 
> all, hoovering is very problematic. unless you're home is completely empty, 
> something very difficult to achieve when you live with other people, 
> hoovering is a pain in the neck when you don't see. so, although I don't have 
> to empty mind every time, even if I did, I would find it a very reasonable 
> trade-off for  nice clean floors and no headache. as for all this setting it 
> going via Siri, I did once set  it off With  Alexa, but my poor neato botvac 
> proceeded to bang its head repeatedly against the wall until I sent it home. 
> generally speaking, it's easiest just to press the button.
> Simply sparkling Sandy
>  
> Sent from The dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 2 Aug 2019, at 19:16, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> The claim of “easy to clean” is debatable. My Mom has one and while her 
>> border collie has now gone to doggie heaven, when she still hadhim she 
>> said she pretty much had to take the thing apart after at least every 
>> cleaning/use and completely clean out the brushes and everything or it would 
>>  not function properly. In fact, I used to want one of these but after her 
>> experience I decided these were maybe not quite ready for prime time.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 7:03 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: From Apple Insideer about Shortcuts and robotic vacuumNeato robotic 
>> vacuums set to get Siri Shortcuts in the fall By Amber Neely Friday, August 
>> 02, 2019, 04:49 am PT (07:49 am ET)s
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Neato robotic vacuums set to get Siri Shortcuts in the fall By Amber Neely 
>> Friday, August 02, 2019, 04:49 am PT (07:49 am ET)
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Neato, a company that specializes in robotic vacuums, has announced that it 
>> will be adding in support for Siri shortcuts in the fall. If you've got 
>> yourself a Neato vacuum, soon you'll be able to use Siri Shortcuts for 
>> remote control. Users will be able to issue voice commands to tell their 
>> Neato vacuum to begin a preset cleaning cycle, stop cleaning, or set up 
>> shortcuts to tell the vacuum to clean a specific area. Users will also be 
>> able to send the vacuum to the charging base via Siri Shortcut as well. If 
>> you're not the type to talk to your vacuum, the Neato robot vacuum will 
>> attempt to to learn when and where to sweep and offer lock-screen 
>> suggestions. There's no specific time frame for when this update will 
>> release. Neato has stated this update will roll out with a firmware update 
>> set to release this fall, likely following the release of iOS 13 and macOS 
>> Catalina. All of Neato's current vacuums are set to get the update. Neato 
>> vacuums currently work with myriad services, including an Apple Watch app, 
>> Wear OS services, Amazon Alexa, Google Assistant, and even through Facebook 
>> Messenger. Siri Shortcuts debuted in iOS 12 in 2018 . The system was built 
>> from Workflow, an app that Apple purchased in 2017 , Shortcuts delivers app 
>> and s

Re: From Apple Insideer about Shortcuts and robotic vacuumNeato robotic vacuums set to get Siri Shortcuts in the fall By Amber Neely Friday, August 02, 2019, 04:49 am PT (07:49 am ET)s

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Sieghard,
Now any kind of collie is going to be a challenge to a lot of hoovers 
especially those with rotating brushes. even though your mum had the task of 
completely emptying and re-systemising the brushes and the bin, her floors did  
get hoovered! if a person is a bit arthritic or, like me, doesn't see at all, 
hoovering is very problematic. unless you're home is completely empty, 
something very difficult to achieve when you live with other people, hoovering 
is a pain in the neck when you don't see. so, although I don't have to empty 
mind every time, even if I did, I would find it a very reasonable trade-off for 
 nice clean floors and no headache. as for all this setting it going via Siri, 
I did once set  it off With  Alexa, but my poor neato botvac proceeded to bang 
its head repeatedly against the wall until I sent it home. generally speaking, 
it's easiest just to press the button.
Simply sparkling Sandy

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 2 Aug 2019, at 19:16, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> The claim of “easy to clean” is debatable. My Mom has one and while her 
> border collie has now gone to doggie heaven, when she still had him she said 
> she pretty much had to take the thing apart after at least every cleaning/use 
> and completely clean out the brushes and everything or it would  not function 
> properly. In fact, I used to want one of these but after her experience I 
> decided these were maybe not quite ready for prime time.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 7:03 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: From Apple Insideer about Shortcuts and robotic vacuumNeato robotic 
> vacuums set to get Siri Shortcuts in the fall By Amber Neely Friday, August 
> 02, 2019, 04:49 am PT (07:49 am ET)s
>  
> Neato robotic vacuums set to get Siri Shortcuts in the fall By Amber Neely 
> Friday, August 02, 2019, 04:49 am PT (07:49 am ET)
>  
>  
> Neato, a company that specializes in robotic vacuums, has announced that it 
> will be adding in support for Siri shortcuts in the fall. If you've got 
> yourself a Neato vacuum, soon you'll be able to use Siri Shortcuts for remote 
> control. Users will be able to issue voice commands to tell their Neato 
> vacuum to begin a preset cleaning cycle, stop cleaning, or set up shortcuts 
> to tell the vacuum to clean a specific area. Users will also be able to send 
> the vacuum to the charging base via Siri Shortcut as well. If you're not the 
> type to talk to your vacuum, the Neato robot vacuum will attempt to to learn 
> when and where to sweep and offer lock-screen suggestions. There's no 
> specific time frame for when this update will release. Neato has stated this 
> update will roll out with a firmware update set to release this fall, likely 
> following the release of iOS 13 and macOS Catalina. All of Neato's current 
> vacuums are set to get the update. Neato vacuums currently work with myriad 
> services, including an Apple Watch app, Wear OS services, Amazon Alexa, 
> Google Assistant, and even through Facebook Messenger. Siri Shortcuts debuted 
> in iOS 12 in 2018 . The system was built from Workflow, an app that Apple 
> purchased in 2017 , Shortcuts delivers app and system control options through 
> a drag-and-drop card UI, that can be invoked by Siri. AppleInsider reviewed 
> the Neato Botvac Connected back in 2016, and found it to be one of the best 
> robot vacuum cleaners available on the market. In addition to offering 
> controls via iPhone and Apple Watch, it also supports complex scheduling 
> functions, cleans very well, and is easy to empty and clean. .
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Re: the right hear app

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

does anyone know what this means?

what is the focus with voice-over thing about?

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> On 1 Jul 2019, at 17:07, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I just downloaded this app and it looks very interesting, clean and simple. 
> The record button is right there (no pun intended) on the main screen.
> All you have to do is to double tap on it to record a location. Keep in mind 
> that this only works if your GPS accuracy is at least 8 metres or better, but 
> it will tell you if it is not.
> You can later on double tap and hold the recordings button if you want to see 
> a list of your recordings/locations.
> Looks like this app uses information from Open Street maps which 
> unfortunately often can be quite outdated. For example, it shows the “Hill 
> Top Pub” which is supposed to be about 400 metres away except that this pub 
> has been closed for about 3 years.
> Considering this is a free app which allows for turn by turn navigation to an 
> address or location as well as providing nearby information and so on this is 
> a nice app to have for people who don’t want to pay for Seeing Eye or Nearby 
> Explorer.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andrew 
> J. LaPointe
> Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 7:56 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: the right hear app
>  
> The instructions says that you can record something via the menuHow 
> do you get to the area to record an item or area that you want to use at a 
> later time?
>  
> From: Dan
> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2019 10:13 AM
> To: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone
> Subject: Re: the right hear app
>  
> I can see  use for the beacons in an unfamiliar very large environment.  
> However, if it is a commonly visited place and you have the time and help you 
> could just go to places within the site and record a label and then the app 
> would recognize it from then on when you visit again.  When I tried it it 
> actually got me within a few feet if I missed it.  I am considering using it 
> for when I am working in the yard.  I can drop a tool or bag of tools or 
> whatever.  I can then record the label for that location and if I need to get 
> back to that bag of tools I can rotate the phone until I hear "bag of tools" 
> or whatever I labeled it and then walk to it.
> 
>  
> 
> Since I have taken to using my cane in the yard to avoid the toys and other 
> debris my grandchildren move around getting within a few feet should allow me 
> to find the item with my cane.
> 
>  
> 
> Interesting app indeed.
> 
>  
> 
> Dan Beaver
> 
> On 7/1/2019 9:17 AM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone wrote:
> hi Tali,
>  
> Thanks for jumping in here. It seems to me that there are, at least, 2 
> possible use options for RightHear. 1. in large public spaces, airports, 
> railway stations, hospitals, hotels etc. 2. Domestic use, as expressed here, 
> labelling the post box, a particular tree as a landmark, gates etc. Could you 
> comment on how this latter option might be acquired by some of us? I, for 
> example, live on an acre of land, in rural ireland, and would love to be able 
> to label and find different landmarks outside of my house, would this be 
> possible?i might also want to take these same labels with me on holiday and 
> use them there, with new info recorded on them, would this be something I 
> could easily do? Also, what kind of range will they cover and are they 
> weatherproof?
>  
> Sorry if this puts pressure on you, but i am very interested in the 
> answers!!
>  
> Sandy.  
>  
> Sent from The dark side of the moon
>  
> On 1 Jul 2019, at 12:56, Tali Sarnetzky mailto:tali.sarnet...@gmail.com wrote:
>  
> Hi everyone.
>  
> I have the pleasure of working with these developers on the Right Hear
> app and, as said before, it works with beacons within buildings to
> provide information. It also shows a list of places that have this
> accessibility feature in them, allows you to get directions to the
> place or use an Uber-like service to get to an accessible venue, and
> call someone for help if you are lost within the venue.
> They work ceaselessly on making it a better app and always welcome
> suggestions and feedback from users. They also hope to venture out of
> Israel and offer accessible venues in other countries. (This is
> getting implemented as we speak.)
>  
> Cheers,
> Tali
>  
> On 7/1/19, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com wrote:
>  
> Hi Sandy,
> Thanks for the explanation and the belief that I'm not often confused,
> grin.
> Sieghard had found information on their web site, which I didn't think to go
> investigate. I kind of assumed that it would 

Re: the right hear app

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

hi Tali,

Thanks for jumping in here. It seems to me that there are, at least, 2 
possible use options for RightHear. 1. in large public spaces, airports, 
railway stations, hospitals, hotels etc. 2. Domestic use, as expressed here, 
labelling the post box, a particular tree as a landmark, gates etc. Could you 
comment on how this latter option might be acquired by some of us? I, for 
example, live on an acre of land, in rural ireland, and would love to be able 
to label and find different landmarks outside of my house, would this be 
possible?i might also want to take these same labels with me on holiday and use 
them there, with new info recorded on them, would this be something I could 
easily do? Also, what kind of range will they cover and are they weatherproof?

Sorry if this puts pressure on you, but i am very interested in the 
answers!!

Sandy.  

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 1 Jul 2019, at 12:56, Tali Sarnetzky  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone.
> 
> I have the pleasure of working with these developers on the Right Hear
> app and, as said before, it works with beacons within buildings to
> provide information. It also shows a list of places that have this
> accessibility feature in them, allows you to get directions to the
> place or use an Uber-like service to get to an accessible venue, and
> call someone for help if you are lost within the venue.
> They work ceaselessly on making it a better app and always welcome
> suggestions and feedback from users. They also hope to venture out of
> Israel and offer accessible venues in other countries. (This is
> getting implemented as we speak.)
> 
> Cheers,
> Tali
> 
>> On 7/1/19, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sandy,
>> Thanks for the explanation and the belief that I'm not often confused,
>> grin.
>> Sieghard had found information on their web site, which I didn't think to go
>> investigate. I kind of assumed that it would have been in the app store
>> description.
>> But, yes, bluetooth beacons have been around for several years now.
>> I just wish all the different approaches would come together into one
>> standard.
>> Blind Square was one of the earlier apps that I recall having worked out
>> navigating this way for indoor navigation, though there were others before
>> them.
>> Now the American Printing House for the Blind is working on them and these
>> Right Hear folks, etc.
>> I know mainly that the United States is way behind other countries in
>> adopting this kind of technology.
>> However, some airports have begun using them.
>> I had read about San Francisco having 500 beacons in one of their terminals
>> so that a person who is visually impaired with the right app, (no memory of
>> which app) could even find an outlet to recharge their devices.
>> I think this would be perfect for places like museums, etc. I know some
>> malls have them, and maybe one day they will be more wide spread.
>> Later,
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> Check out my web site at:
>> www.turner42.com<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com=02%7C01%7C%7C633c05971fbe4621637e08d6bb714c96%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636902492616129219=9qG6zwn2QJ9Xe5fJyao6MewzLG36u7TAieLK72Tg19c%3D=0>
>> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of
>> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack
>> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas
>> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>> 
>> 
>> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't
>> have any." -- Alice Walker
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 1, 2019, at 3:24 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe
>> mailto:alapoint...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>> 
>>Hi all, this Righthear App, how far can you be to locate an object??  I
>> just came home from the deep woods of New Hampshire and this may have been a
>> good tool for me to have.  How would this differ from a wireless door bell
>> system? Andy and Shubert
>> 
>> From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2019 4:55 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: the right hear app
>> 
>> Richard, (the  often  confused? Close brackets never!
>> I understand that the labels are real and not virtual. if I remember
>> correctly, as I was researching this about a year ago, but  got distracted
>> by other technologies along the way,  The initial idea was to implement
>> these tags by way of consenting businesses/serv

Re: GPS app four labeling a location

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Richard,
I believe they are both weatherproof and inexpensive, however, as I am at least 
one year out of the loop and things may have changed, perhaps we should invite 
the RightHear team to join us in the VIPhone group list?
Sandy

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 30 Jun 2019, at 20:51, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> 
> interesting idea Sandy, but that would mean attaching a label in the mailbox.
> How weather proof are these labels? How expensive?
> Inquiring minds and all that.
> Richard
> 
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack 
> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas 
> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
> 
> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
> any." -- Alice Walker
> 
> 
> On Jun 30, 2019, at 12:38 PM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Not a GPS solution, but soething that might prove more accurate, an app 
>> called "right hear" Note the spelling of "hear", it is a bluetooth 
>> navigation app and, i think, you can get literal lables to attach to things 
>> you will want to find. Then you just point you phone in the right direction 
>> until it buzzes, keep that line as you approach and there you are! I have 
>> the app, but not the lables yet. Also, if your tree is alone, perhaps, 
>> "invision ai" with its object recognition, might help? It does seem to work 
>> quite well in real time.
>> 
>> HTH Sandy.  
>> 
>> Sent from The dark side of the moon
>> 
>> On 30 Jun 2019, at 20:21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> hi Juan,
>>> Try Lazarillo.
>>> It is free, you can set favorites, and it has its own walking GPS mapping.
>>> Of course, GPS accuracy can vary quite a bit, but it should be able to get 
>>> you within 50 feet of a location, and maybe closer.
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
>>> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
>>> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack 
>>> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas 
>>> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>>> 
>>> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't 
>>> have any." -- Alice Walker
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2019, at 12:04 PM, juan mojena  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Richard 
>>>> what I need is  to label a location  on my property which is an acre and I 
>>>> want to label a certain area like a mailbox or  maybe a tree. I know that 
>>>> the Victor reader trek can do this.
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Juan Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 30, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Richard Turner  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Once you have entered a location in Google Maps, you can save it with a 
>>>> name.
>>>> I have several done that way.
>>>> But, you have to either be at the place, or have entered the address and 
>>>> selected save or favorite.
>>>> Is that what you are looking for?
>>>> If it is a business, Google lets you search by the business name.
>>>> 
>>>> Richard
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
>>>> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
>>>> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack 
>>>> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas 
>>>> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>>>> 
>>>> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't 
>>>> have any." -- Alice Walker
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 29, 2019, at 3:45 PM, juan mojena  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi listers
>>>>> Is there a GPS app that will allow the labeling of a location rather than 
>>>>> entering an address?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Juan 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
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Re: the right hear app

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Richard, (the  often  confused? Close brackets never!
I understand that the labels are real and not virtual. if I remember correctly, 
as I was researching this about a year ago, but  got distracted by other 
technologies along the way,  The initial idea was to implement these tags by 
way of consenting businesses/services et cetera, to make public spaces more 
navigable. I asked them if I, as an individual, could obtain beacons and 
implement them for myself. they thought this would be possible, but then I 
moved onto other things and forgot about it. by the way, my current and most 
favourite toy is the Sunu band. this works with  Sonar  rather than Bluetooth. 
but back to RightHear, they are very approachable, and  seek  to get new 
partners to work with, in different countries. I will take  a trawl  through my 
zillions of old emails, never deleted, and see if I can find some of my old 
correspondence. but the main thing is this, in theory at least, this solution 
is much more accurate and  is  much more suitable for micro navigation, such as 
that which was raised in the original email, to find trees, postboxes, gates et 
cetera, Than GPS. We do seem to be in a particular point in time when many 
potential solutions abound, but none are quite perfected. Potential is 
exciting, but  actuality is much more  satisfying!
Sandy. 

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 1 Jul 2019, at 00:28, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> Maybe Sandy will chime in on this. I also downloaded it and there are no 
> physical tags, so maybe I misunderstood her and the label was a virtual one, 
> and not a physical one.
> Richard, the often confused
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack 
> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas 
> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
> 
> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
> any." -- Alice Walker
> 
> 
> On Jun 30, 2019, at 1:31 PM, Dan  wrote:
> 
>> I downloaded and installed this app and tried it out.  It doesn't seem to 
>> allow stationary labels that the app will track.  What it does is allow one 
>> to record a voice and text label for a given GPS location.  After doing that 
>> it includes that location in its list of near by locations.  Using these 
>> recorded locations I think it would get a person to within a few feet of the 
>> spot from what I can tell after trying it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It also looks like you have to be at a given location in order to record a 
>> label for that location.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: GPS app four labeling a location

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Not a GPS solution, but soething that might prove more accurate, an app called 
"right hear" Note the spelling of "hear", it is a bluetooth navigation app and, 
i think, you can get literal lables to attach to things you will want to find. 
Then you just point you phone in the right direction until it buzzes, keep that 
line as you approach and there you are! I have the app, but not the lables yet. 
Also, if your tree is alone, perhaps, "invision ai" with its object 
recognition, might help? It does seem to work quite well in real time.

HTH Sandy.  

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 30 Jun 2019, at 20:21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> 
> hi Juan,
> Try Lazarillo.
> It is free, you can set favorites, and it has its own walking GPS mapping.
> Of course, GPS accuracy can vary quite a bit, but it should be able to get 
> you within 50 feet of a location, and maybe closer.
> Richard
> 
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack 
> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas 
> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
> 
> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
> any." -- Alice Walker
> 
> 
> On Jun 30, 2019, at 12:04 PM, juan mojena  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Richard 
>> what I need is  to label a location  on my property which is an acre and I 
>> want to label a certain area like a mailbox or  maybe a tree. I know that 
>> the Victor reader trek can do this.
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Juan Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 30, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Once you have entered a location in Google Maps, you can save it with a name.
>> I have several done that way.
>> But, you have to either be at the place, or have entered the address and 
>> selected save or favorite.
>> Is that what you are looking for?
>> If it is a business, Google lets you search by the business name.
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
>> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
>> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack 
>> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas 
>> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>> 
>> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't 
>> have any." -- Alice Walker
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 29, 2019, at 3:45 PM, juan mojena  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi listers
>>> Is there a GPS app that will allow the labeling of a location rather than 
>>> entering an address?
>>> 
>>> Juan 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Unread messages in email?

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IMAP

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 2 Jun 2019, at 18:58, 'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> Are you using iMap or pop? I know that can make a difference.
> 
> Want to join my WhatsApp group, VIP Apple Users? Email me privately with your 
> contact information and I will happily add you. 
> maria.reye...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Jun 2, 2019, at 1:07 PM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>>   I have managed this before, but it isn't working for me this time: I don't 
>> delete my old emails, for my own reasons, so, if I don't keep up with them I 
>> can end up with thousands of messages marked as "unread". Now, say I want to 
>> mark them all as "read", I can hit edit, at the top of the inbox, go down to 
>> the bottom where it says "mark all" enter that and choose Mark as unread". 
>> So far so good, but I am running two phones, one, my 8 with a sim card and 
>> my 6 with no sim, but both are on wifi. No matter what I do to mark my 
>> messages as "read", the setting never sticks, and I can only guess it is 
>> because of the 2 phone situation. I am pretty sure that I can mark them 
>> successfully if the 6 is left off of wifi, but as soon as it is connected to 
>> the web everything goes back to "unread" status. Can anyone give me the 
>> right protocol for dealing with this, I know I did it last year after a 
>> holiday and several thousands of messages clogging up my inbox!
>> Thanks, Sandy.
>> 
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Creating a crossword template in notes?

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

I want to create a table, wherein, I can fill in the blanks, and then navigate 
using column and row, to fill in my own crossword. Can I do this, say, in the 
notes app and are there any tips I might need to know?

Thanks, Sandy.


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Unread messages in email?

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Hi,

I have managed this before, but it isn't working for me this time: I don't 
delete my old emails, for my own reasons, so, if I don't keep up with them I 
can end up with thousands of messages marked as "unread". Now, say I want to 
mark them all as "read", I can hit edit, at the top of the inbox, go down to 
the bottom where it says "mark all" enter that and choose Mark as unread". So 
far so good, but I am running two phones, one, my 8 with a sim card and my 6 
with no sim, but both are on wifi. No matter what I do to mark my messages as 
"read", the setting never sticks, and I can only guess it is because of the 2 
phone situation. I am pretty sure that I can mark them successfully if the 6 is 
left off of wifi, but as soon as it is connected to the web everything goes 
back to "unread" status. Can anyone give me the right protocol for dealing with 
this, I know I did it last year after a holiday and several thousands of 
messages clogging up my inbox!
Thanks, Sandy.

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Making lovely music with seeing ai!

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi,

Home alone and playing with seeing ai. Firstly, I noted how much improved 
the scene recognition function is, not perfect, but getting better, I tried it 
when I first got the app and was rather underwhelmed So, perhaps, there is 
something to this machine learning

But, what I really wanted to share was my discovery of the "light" channel. 
I started in the kitchen, medium light at this time of day, went through the 
dining room, fairly dark, but with window highlights, thence into the music 
room, full of sunshine and reflective surfaces. Moving around playing with the 
light and dark of shadow or floor tiles etc, I discovered a beautiful sort of 
music. I think, someone who is truly musical could turn this into an actual 
instrument, but, perhaps, not being a musician, I just like it as a sort of Zen 
experience!

Enjoy the light channel, Sandy.   

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Re: Anybody know of an accessible app to learn some Italian

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi Amy,

I have an app which worked really well for me. Originally, I had it in CD 
format. It is really a series of MP3 files. Michel Thomas (not sure about the 
spelling of his name) has created an app, for several languages, Italian being 
one, using a sort of classroom environment. This really worked for me and I do 
speak Italian now, mind you, I do go there every year!! These classes are not 
cheap though. However, if you choose one in the app store, you can download the 
first one for free to see if the style and format suits you. 

Hope this helps, Sandy.  

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 23 Apr 2019, at 23:14, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Ok, this question has distracted me for a day or so. I learned some Italian 
> via Duo Lingo a couple years ago and really enjoyedit. Using the app again in 
> the last couple days, it seems they have made some changes and not for the 
> better. They are really pushing you to pay for their service. The pictures 
> used to be difficult, but doable. Now I see they are rather impossible. If 
> you get just a couple wrong, you run out of chances to practice that day. 
> Maybe do a lingo should be contacted and ask how blind people get past the 
> pictures without paying for the service. 
> 
> 
> 
> A lot about the app is the same and still very useable. If you happen to be a 
> braille display user, I found it very handy in learning the spelling of the 
> words
> 
> 
> 
> Two other learning language apps you may consider are:
> 
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/mango-languages/id443516516?mt=8
> 
> Mango languages goes through your local library. I’ve used it a little bit 
> and found it pretty accessible.
> 
> 
> 
> I have not used this app yet, so I cannot speak about it’s accessibility. If 
> anyone gives it a try, please report back.
> 
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/learn-languages-with-memrise/id635966718?mt=8
> 
> 
> 
> Good luck with your language learning. I have great fun dabbling in it, but 
> unfortunately never get very far.
> 
> 
> 
> Hope this is helpful,
> 
> Traci 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 21, 2019, at 8:21 PM, l.d.ethie...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> It's hard to explain, 
>> Usually, VoiceOver will discribe in your language and when you choose the 
>> good picture you will have the word in italian. 
>> 
>> 
>> Lyne
>> 
>>> Le 21 avr. 2019 à 16:36, Amy Ruell  a écrit :
>>> 
>>> I didn’t see that option. I here for words in Italian and voiceover says 
>>> for example boy, or woman. How do I know which of the four Italian words is 
>>> the correct response?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 21, 2019, at 2:09 PM, l.d.ethie...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It is really accessible. Even if you have to recognize picture because 
 VoiceOver will tell you. I use it 
 
 Lyne
 
> Le 21 avr. 2019 à 12:47, Amy Ruell  a écrit :
> 
> Just downloaded it. Problem is, it uses pictures to identify words.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 21, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Richard Turner 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have heard of people using duolingo.
>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/duolingo/id570060128
>> 
>> I have not used it.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
>> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
>> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The 
>> knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." 
>> --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Amy Ruell
>> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 8:45 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Anybody know of an accessible app to learn some Italian
>> 
>> Would appreciate any information. Thanks.
>> Amy
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: forwarding attachments without the original message

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Richard,
You are a positive mine of information! now, to put you to the test, how do I 
go about entering an attachment into the clipboard? also, if there are two 
attachments, how can I put both into the clipboard?

sorry, but I do have a great cure for tension headaches… Thanks, Sandy

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 18 Apr 2019, at 14:03, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> 
> Sandy, you are not missing anything, you cannot add attachments from other 
> emails, only files on your phone or on a saved location.
> You cannot add an attachment to one email that is attached to another on a 
> computer either, until you have either copied the attachment to the 
> clipboard, or saved it somewhere.
> Does that help?
> Richard
> 
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack 
> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas 
> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
> 
> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
> any." -- Alice Walker
> 
> 
> On Apr 18, 2019, at 5:13 AM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
>> hi Richard,
>> Thank you for these instructions, they worked! however, when in the body of 
>> the message the rotor offers "add attachment", I then browse for attachments 
>> a potential files for attachments, but I'm not offered anything from the 
>> email lists. am I missing something here?
>> Thanks again though, Sandy
>> 
>> Sent from The dark side of the moon
>> 
>> On 17 Apr 2019, at 21:36, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Sandy,
>>> Select forward, then include attachments.
>>> Address the email, and get back into the body of the message so it is 
>>> editing.
>>> Turn the rotor to edit, flick up or down to select all, double tap.
>>> Then, find the delete button and double tap it.
>>> Now, you have a fresh email with the attachments
>>> HTH,
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
>>> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
>>> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack 
>>> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas 
>>> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>>> 
>>> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't 
>>> have any." -- Alice Walker
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 17, 2019, at 12:51 PM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> hi,
>>>> Can anyone tell me the easiest way for me to forward two attachments that 
>>>> I have received in one email, I want to forward only the attachments and 
>>>> not the original email? also, I don't quite understand how to use the "add 
>>>> attachment" option and edit in the rotor in the email app. it seems to 
>>>> take me to some  rather  obscure places like iCloud  drive and on my 
>>>> iPhone… hmmm, obviously getting very rusty…
>>>> Sandy
>>>> 
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Re: ReStart

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

I do wish they would implement some kind of wake up sound for when The Apple 
appears on the screen.

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> On 18 Apr 2019, at 06:52, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I think calling this method with home and power button a restart is 
> misleading, it’s a hard reset, sort of what you used to get with Alt + 
> Control + Delete or, on older desktops you had the actual reset button.
> Anyways, I think the home + power button thing does not work on any of the 
> phones with the virtual home button, e.g. the iPhone 7 and 8 and of course 
> also not on the phones with home button.
> As far as doing the volume up, volume down and power button it seems to work 
> consistently for me, but you definitely don’t have to hold the power button 
> for 30 seconds. I just asked my wife to look at my iPhone 8 as I was doing 
> this and about 8 or 9 seconds after I pushed the power button the screen went 
> black, I let go and a moment later the Apple logo appeared and the phone 
> booted back up to the lockscreen where I could put in my passcode in about 15 
> seconds. Maybe with an iPhone 6 or 6S this would take a bit longer, but I 
> think you actually prevent this from working correctly if you keep holding 
> the power button for 30 seconds or even 20 seconds. I guess to be safe you 
> can do 12 or maybe even 15, but I wouldn’t go longer than that, as I said, 
> the entire shutdown and reboot sequence only took about 25 seconds after I 
> started pushing the power button and I let go after 10 seconds.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 9:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: ReStart
>  
>  
> I thought that three button sequence was only for units without a home button.
> I so seldom do a restart, I may have been thinking of earlier models.
> I've never had a 7, just the 5s, SE, and now for work the 8 plus.
> I'll try it on the 8 plus tomorrow.
> Richard
>  
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack 
> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas 
> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>  
> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
> any." -- Alice Walker
>  
> 
> On Apr 17, 2019, at 6:26 PM, BB  wrote:
> 
> Richard, I am not sure about the seven but with the IPhone eight, you have to 
> press the volume up key and release, then press the down volume key and 
> release, then press and hold the power button for fifteen to thirty seconds. 
> And it is hit or miss getting it to work.
>  
>  
> From: Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 12:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: ReStart
>  
>  
> To restart, hold both the home button and power button in for 6 to 8 seconds.
> If you have bluetooth headphones connected, you will hear "bluetooth 
> disconnected."
> In any case, if you did it right, in about a minute, or two, it should come 
> back to the home screen"
> HTH,
> Richard
>  
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack 
> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas 
> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>  
> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
> any." -- Alice Walker
>  
> 
> On Apr 17, 2019, at 11:55 AM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> That's Not what I'm Talkin  About,  I'm Lookin to ONLY ReStart NOT Shut Down 
> or Power Off.
> At 10:25 AM 4/17/2019, you wrote:
> 
> If you are talking about a simply shut-down of the phone and then powering it 
> up again then that is done with the power button on all phones. You just push 
> and hold the power button on the side of the phone until the message pops up 
> on the screen asking you if you want to shut down the phone, then tap OK.
> To turn it back on you can simply plug it in to a Lightning cable and it will 
> turn on or press and hold the power button for about 4 or 5 seconds and wait 
> about 10 to 20 seconds depending on phone model.
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 10:09 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: ReStart
>  
> Question:
> How do  Users, who are TotallyBlind perform a  ReStart on an  Apple iPhone 
> with a  Physical HomeButton (i.e., iPhoneSE) as well as  one without a  
> HomeButton (i.e., iPhoneXS Max)?
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Re: forwarding attachments without the original message

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

hi Richard,
Thank you for these instructions, they worked! however, when in the body of the 
message the rotor offers "add attachment", I then browse for attachments a 
potential files for attachments, but I'm not offered anything from the email 
lists. am I missing something here?
Thanks again though, Sandy

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 17 Apr 2019, at 21:36, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Sandy,
> Select forward, then include attachments.
> Address the email, and get back into the body of the message so it is editing.
> Turn the rotor to edit, flick up or down to select all, double tap.
> Then, find the delete button and double tap it.
> Now, you have a fresh email with the attachments
> HTH,
> Richard
> 
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack 
> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas 
> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
> 
> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
> any." -- Alice Walker
> 
> 
> On Apr 17, 2019, at 12:51 PM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
>> hi,
>> Can anyone tell me the easiest way for me to forward two attachments that I 
>> have received in one email, I want to forward only the attachments and not 
>> the original email? also, I don't quite understand how to use the "add 
>> attachment" option and edit in the rotor in the email app. it seems to take 
>> me to some  rather  obscure places like iCloud  drive and on my iPhone… 
>> hmmm, obviously getting very rusty…
>> Sandy
>> 
>> Sent from The dark side of the moon
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forwarding attachments without the original message

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
Can anyone tell me the easiest way for me to forward two attachments that I 
have received in one email, I want to forward only the attachments and not the 
original email? also, I don't quite understand how to use the "add attachment" 
option and edit in the rotor in the email app. it seems to take me to some  
rather  obscure places like iCloud  drive and on my iPhone… hmmm, obviously 
getting very rusty…
Sandy

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Re: A TTS Engine instead of a Human Voice for Reading a Novel? Maybe

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
Re Reading voices and VoiceStream reader, is there a way, in settings, to make 
it pours a little longer between sections/chapters?
thanks, Sandy

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> On 17 Apr 2019, at 04:34, R Van Lant  wrote:
> 
> I am often indifferent, , but I do find human narration especially valuable 
> in books where the time period or character switches each chapter.  
> Synthesizers just don't pause well enough for me to pick up that there is a 
> shift.  Books just as "Girl on the Train" and "All the Light We Cannot See" 
> were the first books I bought from Audible specifically because they switched 
> narrators when the characters changed and this helped me so much to really 
> follow the story. 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Robin Frost
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 2:27 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A TTS Engine instead of a Human Voice for Reading a Novel? Maybe
> 
> Hi,
> This is a very interesting topic indeed. Most of the time I'll default to a 
> human voice as my preference. However I have had occasions when either I 
> didn't like the narrator for the Audible version of a book so I then went 
> with BookShare and one of the many voices available through VoiceDream 
> Reader and I was surprised how pleasant the read was. Again it wouldn’t be 
> my ultimate preference or default but the times I did use it I was glad to 
> have the opportunity to do so to obtain access to a particular title. I 
> won't stray off into which voices work best as that is very subjective and 
> the topic of great debate. But I will only remark to say that some voices 
> like Samantha and a few others included do lend themselves a bit better to 
> being sped up without becoming distorted which does help in such situations. 
> I'm just glad we now have as many choices as we do to potentially gain 
> access to so many titles we could have only dreamed of or hoped for in prior 
> decades.  Happy reading one and all no matter which platform or voice you 
> choose.
> Take good care.
> Robin
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: M. Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 12:25 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: A TTS Engine instead of a Human Voice for Reading a Novel? Maybe
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I love the iOS Kindle App because it works so well with my Focus 40 Blue
> Braille display.
> 
> However, for whatever reason, until recently, I've never used the VoiceOver
> Samantha TTS engine to read an entire novel in the Kindle app.
> 
> Not long ago, I was searching for a book in Audible, because it is not
> available on BARD or on Over Drive, and found it.  The price of the audio
> book was $19, $17 in Apple books.  Since the audio length of the book was
> just over 5 hours, I decided to see if a Kindle edition was available.  Yes,
> it was and for a mere $1.99.  So, I purchased the Kindle version and used my
> beloved Samantha TTS engine to read the novel.
> 
> After I finished the Kindle version, a friend of mine purchased the audible
> version.  So, I decided to give it a quick listen to see if I would like the
> book any better or less with a human narrator at the proverbial helm.
> 
> You know what?  I discovered that I actually preferred the Kindle version
> wit the TTS engine, better.  The funny thing is, I am absolutely certain
> that I would have thoroughly enjoyed the human narrator edition had I not
> experienced the TTS engine rendition, first.
> 
> Now I'm certainly not saying that a TTS engine is better than a human
> narrator but I am saying, that for  me, at least, a TTS engine is definitely
> a viable option for reading novels, especially when it comes to saving a few
> dollars.
> 
> Mark
> 
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can voice-over read subtitles

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
Below is a link to YouTube video that I just watched. many of the interviews 
are in Japanese and, I believe, there are subtitles. is there a way for me to 
get voice-over to read the subtitles?
Here is the link:
https://youtu.be/KZ-SimOqC3k

thanks in advance! Sandy

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Sunu band and app?

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi,

I just received my new sunu-band and have the app to go with it. I am 
wondering, does anyone know of a user groups to share tips and tricks with this 
piece of equipment? Don't want to clog up the list with too specific stuff

Thanks, Sandy.   

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Re: Voice Dream Scanner beta

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Richard,
I am very interested in this, especially, since K NFB reader seems to be 
foundering… however, I am no good as a beta tester. I just get in a mess with 
it all. so, when this is finalised and arrives in the App Store, will you 
please let us know on this list?

thanks for keeping us posted, Sandy

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> On 14 Mar 2019, at 17:16, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> For those who have not heard, Winston Chen, the developer of Voice Dream 
> Reader, is developing an OCR app called Scanner.  It is in public beta, so 
> anyone can test it and give him feedback.
> If you also install the Voice Dream Reader beta, you will be able to choose 
> Scanner from the Add dialog in VDR.
> 
> Here is the latest info from Testflight which you have to have installed in 
> order to use the betas but it is free in the app store.
> I've tested the app quite a bit in the two days I've known about it and it 
> blows everything else out of the water.
> There is one very annoying thing in beta 3 that I've asked him to disable, 
> but if Edge Detection is on, there is a constant tone playing that is truly 
> annoying.
> It doesn't say below, but you can use the up volume button to capture the 
> image.
> Saving as PDF is not only fully accessible, but it retains any images in the 
> document.  
> At this point, unless I can convince him to charge more, he is thinking of 
> charging $5.00 for the app.
> I think it is worth much more.
> Here is the info from TestFlight.
> 
> From Testflight
> Here's the high level stuff:
>  
> - State-of-the-art A.I. for OCR and text recognition: Fast and accurate, even 
> in poor lighting conditions. Works entirely on device: No need for internet 
> and your data stays private.
>  
> - Export scans as plain text or PDF with embedded text to another app, or 
> save them on your local device, iCloud, Dropbox, or Google Drive.
>  
> - Works with Voice Dream Reader. You need to download the latest beta version 
> of Voice Dream Reader, version 4.8.0. If you haven't signed up for beta, you 
> can do it here: https://testflight.apple.com/join/5amQM57U. After downloading 
> the latest Reader Beta, you will be able access the scanner directly from 
> Reader and add scanned documents to your Reader library.
>  
> Additional Features:
>  
> - Automatic detection of document edges for stretching and cropping
> - Automatic detection of document orientation
> - Automatic image enhancement
> - Batch mode for scanning multiple pages quickly
> - Spoken words are highlighted in the text or the image
> - Select text-to-speech voice and change speed
> - Uses premium voices purchased in Voice Dream Reader
>  
> Beta 3:
> - Auto Scan (if an page is detected and phone is held steady for 2 seconds)
> - Audible tone for page detection. VoiceOver only. Should there be a way to 
> disable this?
> - Capture Button is now the entire video preview window
> - No longer read content again after enhancing image
> - Minor bug fixes
>  
> Beta 2:
> - Improved orientation detection
> - Added option to automatic read text after capture
> - Fix crashes
>  
> Beta 1:
> This new app let you scan paper documents with the camera and recognize text, 
> listen using built-in text-to-speech, and save and export.
>  
> Limitations: Only languages using Latin alphabets are supported. For example, 
> Chinese, Japanese, Greek, Russian, and Arabic are not supported.
>  
> As with all Voice Dream beta tests, we're interested in every kind of 
> feedback: nothing is too small or too insignificant. We want nothing less 
> than perfection.
>  
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Re: An Aira Update

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

hi Jonathan,
thanks for the info re aira. I live in Ireland and we were told that Eire was 
going to start a pilot scheme here. we all got very excited! A new and 
wonderful use for our iPhones! although, speaking personally, I want the 
headset! however, excitement has dwindled because none of us seem to be able to 
actually register. can you give more information about what is 
happening/planned for both the UK and Ireland? some of us were all geared to 
start approaching universities and hospitals et cetera, to get them on board as 
access points, but we've stopped now… This is a great shame, would love to see 
something moving here in Ireland.

keep up the good work! Sandy

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> On 26 Jan 2019, at 23:50, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Fazil, it’s available in the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Aira 
> access locations are available in the UK.
> Jonathan
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fazil 
> M.
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 12:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: An Aira Update
>  
> Is this available in US only?
>  
> From: Fazil M. [mailto:urdu...@telus.net] 
> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 3:24 PM
> To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com'
> Subject: RE: An Aira Update
>  
> Is this available in US only?
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 2:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: An Aira Update
>  
> Hi all. Since the middle of October, I’ve been Aira’s VP of Explorer 
> communications. Since Aira has an iOS app, I thought the following info may 
> be of interest to some.
> For those not familiar with Aira, we provide real-tine audio description of 
> anything visual, provided by security-vetted, trained professionals. You can 
> use it with your iPhone on its own, or if you perform any tasks where it’s 
> useful to have both of your hands free, we offer optional smart glasses.
> The Aira app is free, and it’s free to use in an increasing number of 
> locations, or for an increasing number of tasks. We also offer subscription 
> plans, much like cell phone plans, where you can use it for any task, 
> anywhere.
> If you’ve been curious about Aira and have wanted to take it for a spin in 
> your own environment, we’ve released a free 7-Day Trial of our full paid 
> service. This offer means that anyone with a free account can try anytime 
> access to Aira’s professional agents whenever it suits them – just like a 
> paying subscriber.
>  
> The 7-Day Trial provides 30 minutes to try Aira’s service over a period of 
> seven days. Some of that time will be used for setting up account preferences 
> and asking questions about the service, but the majority of that time is free 
> to use for any task. It’s a great opportunity for people new to Aira to 
> experience why so many use it as a must-have tool for enhancing everyday life.
>  
> Got some mail that needs sorting? Need a professional agent to connect to 
> your computer to help with an inaccessible site? Or just want to research 
> nearby restaurants or stores? Well, now you can, as a free user and from the 
> comfort of your home.
> For all the details including a list of frequently asked questions, head on 
> over to
> https://aira.io/free-trial
> Second, Aira has recently released a comprehensive series of training modules 
> available for streaming online, or for download in DAISY and MP3. You can 
> find it at:
> http://aira.io/training. This is a good way to learn about Aira even if 
> you’re not signed up yet but are curious. Because this is such a new class of 
> technology, many people not only want to know how to use Aira, but how it 
> might fit into their toolbox of blindness skills and apps.
> Finally, we’ve just launched a podcast, called Airacast.
> It’s packed with news, interviews, tips, tricks, listener comments and more.
> Subscribe to Airacast now from all the places most people get their podcasts, 
> including iTunes/Apple Podcasts, Google Play Music, Stitcher, TuneIn and 
> more. Spotify is coming soon, iHeart Radio in a couple of months and an Alexa 
> skill will be released eventually.
> Many people enjoy hearing podcasts through HumanWare’s Victor Reader Stream, 
> so of course it’s listed there too.
> Should you wish to enter the RSS feed manually into your podcast client right 
> away, it is:
> https://airacast.libsyn.com/rss
> Search for Airacast in your podcast app of choice, or Here’s an Apple 
> podcasts link for you.
> https://itunes.apple.com/nz/podcast/airacast-with-jonathan-mosen/id1449888701
> All the best.
> Jonathan
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Re: Alibaba made a smart iPhone screen to help blind people shop and it costs next to nothing

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

hey! This looks good and cheap!
I'll be interested to see if it  can come over to Ireland.
Sandy

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> On 12 Nov 2018, at 09:54, Avnish Chopra  wrote:
> 
> Gadgets – TechCrunch - Monday, 12 November 2018 at 8:55 AM
> 
> Alibaba made a smart screen to help blind people shop and it costs next to 
> nothing
> 
> Just a few years ago, Li Mengqi could not have imagined shopping on her own. 
> Someone needed to always keep her company to say aloud what was in front of 
> her, who’s been blind since birth.
> 
> When smartphones with text-to-speech machines for the visually impaired 
> arrived, she immediately bought an iPhone. “Though it was expensive,” Li, a 
> 23-year-old who grew up in a rural village in eastern China’s Zhejiang 
> province, told me. Cheaper smartphone options in China often don’t have good 
> accessibility features.
> 
> Screen readers opened a plethora of new opportunity for those with visual 
> impairments. “I felt liberated, no longer having to rely on others,” said Li, 
> who can now shop online, WeChat her friends, and go out alone by following 
> her iPhone compass.
> 
> Reading out everything on the screen is helpful, but it can also be 
> overwhelming. Digital readers don’t decipher human thoughts, so when Li gets 
> on apps with busy interfaces, such as an ecommerce platform, she’s bombarded 
> with descriptions before she gets to the thing she wants.
> 
> Over the past two years, Alibaba’s $15 billion R initiative Damo Academy 
> has been working to improve smartphone experience for the blind. Its latest 
> answer, a joint effort with China’s prestigious Tsinghua University, is a 
> cheap silicone sheet that goes on top of smartphone screens.
> 
> Li is among the first one hundred visually impaired or blind users to trial 
> the technology. Nothing stands out about the plastic film – which cost RMB 
> 0.25 or 3.6 American cents each to produce – until one has a closer look. 
> There are three mini buttons on each side. They are sensory-enabled, which 
> means pressing on them triggers certain commands, usually those that are 
> frequently used like “go back” and “confirm”.
> 
> “It’s much easier to shop with the sheet on,” said Li. Having button 
> shortcuts removes the risk of misclicking and the need for complex 
> interactions with screens. Powering Smart Touch is human-machine interaction, 
> the same technology that makes voice control devices possible.
> 
> 
> Alibaba’s $1 “Smart Touch” plastic sheet helps smoothen smartphone experience 
> for the visually impaired. / Photo credit: Alibaba
> 
> “We thought, human-machine interaction can’t just be for sighted people,” 
> Chen Zhao, research director at Damo Academy told TechCrunch. “Besides voice, 
> touch is also very important to the blind, so we decided to develop a touch 
> feature.”
> 
> Smart Touch isn’t just for fingers. It also works when users hold their 
> phones up to the ears. This lets them listen to text quickly in public 
> without having to blast it out through speakers or headphones. Early trials 
> of ear touch show a 50 percent reduction in time needed to complete tasks 
> like taking calls and online shopping, Alibaba claims.
> 
> Emotions also matter. People with visual disabilities tend to be more 
> cautious as they fumble through screens, so Smart Touch takes that into 
> account. For instance, users need to double-click on the silicone button 
> before a command goes through.
> 
> At the moment, Smart Touch works only on special editions of Alibaba’s two 
> flagship apps, e-commerce marketplace Taobao and payment affiliate Alipay. 
> The buttons automatically take on different functions when users switch 
> between apps.
> 
> But Zhao said she wanted to make the technology widely available. Some 
> tinkering with existing apps will make Smart Touch compatible. The smart film 
> requires more testing before it officially rolls out early 2019, so Damo and 
> Tsinghua have been recruiting volunteers like Li for feedback.
> 
> “Unlike with regular apps, it’s hard to beta test Smart Touch because the 
> blind population is relatively small,” observed the researcher, but embedding 
> the technology in popular apps could speed up the iteration process.
> 
> There’s also the issue with distributing the physical sheets. According to 
> state census, China had around 13 million visually impaired people in 2012. 
> That’s about one in a hundred people. However, they are rarely seen in 
> public, as a post on China’s equivalent of Quora points out.
> 
> One oft-cited obstacle is that most roads in China aren’t 
> disability-friendly, even in major cities. (In my city Shenzhen, blind lanes 
> are common but they often get cut off abruptly to make way for a crossing or 
> a bus stop.)
> 
> Damo doesn’t plan to monetize the initiative, according to Zhao. She 
> envisions a future where her team could give out the haptic films — which can 
> be mass produced at low costs — for free 

Re: Was wondering about the freestyle libre and accessibility with the iPhone

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
Presuming this gives you a blood sugar reading, does it also tell you about 
levels of ketones?
thanks, Sandy

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> On 7 Nov 2018, at 17:57, Reg Sullivan  wrote:
> 
> Yes, it comes as part of a kit which also includes one or two 14 day Sensors.
> Not sure of the exact price, I believe somewhere around $200.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> terri elliott
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2018 12:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Was wondering about the freestyle libre and accessibility with 
> the iPhone
>  
> Hi.  I am guessing that you have to get the actual machine in order to use 
> this app?  Thanks.
>  
>  
> Terri
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 5, 2018, at 10:08 PM, Terri Stimmel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
>  
> Well I do not have this unit yeah, I looked at the link that was given for 
> the US version of the app. It states that this app uses specific features, 
> this device does not offer. I’m not sure what in the world that means? I am 
> using an iPhone S-6, would the latest update.
> Does anyone have any idea what that could mean?
>  
> Thank you,
>  
> Terri
>  
> Get Outlook for iOS
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Greg Wocher 
> Sent: Monday, November 5, 2018 5:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroupscom
> Subject: Re: Was wondering about the freestyle libre and accessibility with 
> the iPhone
>  
> Hello,
> I just finished up setting the app up. I am so glad the link was given for 
> the US store. It was a breeze to set up with my iPhone. The app works great. 
> I will be using my phone from now on to scan my sensor.
>  
> Greg Wocher
>  
> 
> 
> On Nov 5, 2018, at 4:50 PM, Reg Sullivan  wrote:
>  
> I understand that here in Canada the app is available and the reader is 
> accessible using Iphone 7 and greater.  The app uses NRC technology to read 
> the sensor data using voice over to verbalize it for us. 
> I will be trying the sensor as soon as I upgrade my phone, probably this 
> fall. 
>  
>  
> Regards….Reg
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Ed Worrell
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2018 4:30 PM
> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
> Cc: Terri Stimmel 
> Subject: Re: Was wondering about the freestyle libre and accessibility with 
> the iPhone
>  
> Hello,
>  
> I too am waiting for the release of the Freestyle LibreLink app in the US App 
> Store. I currently am using the TapTapSee application to capture a image of 
> the screen and read the bg reading to me. This works well enough for now but 
> it will be nice to have the app on the phone with the Voice Alerts active. 
> This feature is used to read the current scanned blood sugar. It will also 
> announce the direction such as slowly falling, raising slowly, etc. From what 
> I have read on some of the Diabetes forums the app is fully accessible with 
> VoiceOver and it is pretty simple to use. Here’s to hoping!
>  
> Ed Worrell  
>  
> 
> On Nov 5, 2018, at 4:53 AM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
>  
> Hello,
> Right now the apps for either platform are not in the US right now. I am 
> using the Libre now however. I use the Envision AI app on my phone to read 
> the screen of the Libre meter. It works quite well. Seeing AI does work but 
> not quite as well as Envision. The envision app does cost. It is $4.99 a 
> month, $24.99 for six months or $40 a year. There is also a one time purchase 
> of $199 for a lifetime subscription to the app. 
>  
> Greg Wocher
>  
>  
> 
> On Nov 5, 2018, at 12:26 AM, Brett  wrote:
>  
> Hi, 
> 
> there is a librelink app for the freestyle Libre you would need to check if 
> it's released in your country. If it is the librelink app can be used to 
> start and read the sensor. I'm currently using mine with Android and I'm due 
> to start a new sensor in about 5 days, so I can test the iPhone accessibility 
> if you can wait till then. 
> Cheers,
> Brett.
> 
> On 5 November 2018 3:54:28 pm Terri Stimmel  
> wrote:
> 
>  Hello everyone,
>  
> Does anyone know anything regarding the freestyle libre for diabetes? How 
> will it work with an iPhone? You are using an app if there is one? Or you 
> thinking something like seeing AI?
>  
> If anyone can tell me anything, I would really appreciate it.
>  
> Thank you,
>  
> Terri 
>  
> Get Outlook for iOS
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marking all my messages as read

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
I've been away on holiday and have returned to 4 1/2 thousand unread messages 
in my inbox. I don't delete my email. I just want to mark them all as "read". 
now, I know this isn't doable on the iPhone through the email app, so I have 
gone through Safari to my Gmail account page, but cannot find how to do this 
there either. can anyone give me a tip? both on the phone and through Safari I 
can select each individual message and marketers "red". how to do it by 
selecting all know…

thanks for any help, Sandy

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Re: Introducing Astreos: universal access to the cosmos

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

yuma,
I haven't done it yet, I've been having iPhone woes! I am running the latest 
version of iOS on an iPhone eight. I shall try your link right now!
Later, Sandy

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> On 14 Aug 2018, at 11:25, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sandy,
> 
> Thank you for such kind words. it gives me a big boost to continue and add 
> features to Astreos :)
> 
> I didn't see your email in the list on my backend. Were you able to send the 
> contact form? you can alternatively send me an email directly so I can add 
> you.
> 
> Also, just to check, what iphone version do you have?
> 
> 
> Have a great day 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 13 Aug 2018, at 8:18 pm, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> yuma,
>> Your app sounds absolutely gorgeous! your presentation of it was absolutely 
>> excellent! I shall try and download the beta version a little later today. I 
>> think, we are only just beginning to explore the possibilities 3-D sound 
>> skates. thanks for creating something so beautiful and immersive.
>> 
>> from Sandy, in Ireland.
>> 
>> Sent from The dark side of the moon
>> 
>>> On 12 Aug 2018, at 20:15, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> 
>>> A quick introduction of myself.
>>> 
>>> I am a blind software engineer, studying mahematics at UQ in Brisbane, 
>>> Australia.
>>> 
>>> I am also a passionate sci-fi, space, physics and astronomy fan. I am not 
>>> partially sighted, I am stone cold blind. But I wasn't always like that. I 
>>> still remember summer nights when the sky was clear enough to see the Milky 
>>> Way, the planets through the lens of a telescope, and the first images of 
>>> constellations with their beautiful nebulas came out.
>>> 
>>> So I decided to write an app that allows me, blind, to find the exact 
>>> position of all these objects in the sky using 2 sensory dimensions, with 
>>> an attention to those who are partially sighted too, wherever I am located 
>>> on earth. if I look for the sun, the phone will orient me to its exact 
>>> location.
>>> 
>>> Astreos is the concatenation of Astrius, god of dusk, and Eos, goddess of 
>>> dawn. 
>>> 
>>> As the app is a complete 6 degree of freedom experience to find planets, 
>>> moons, manmade satellites and fragments, comets, asteroids, near earth 
>>> objects, constellations, major stars and find information about them all, I 
>>> thought it appropriate to put both gods of the sky in the same name.
>>> 
>>> This app uses connections to NASA's APIs, including the Horizons system 
>>> which follows in mission critical precision all objects within the confines 
>>> of the solar system, and updates itself automatically for the more than 
>>> 118000 stars which are visible to the naked eye, 22 other objects, 
>>> including far away galaxies, their names, categories, how they look, what 
>>> chemical elements or spectrum they have, super novas, and much more, 
>>> through the largest astronomical database, the Vizier catalogue.
>>> 
>>> The app is still in beta and I and my team are working hard to put more and 
>>> more content to the app, but more importantly, finding new ways to allow 
>>> those of us who are blind to access such information, and really have a 
>>> sense of where all of this is in the sky.
>>> 
>>> My personal experience for this has been to better understand where a lot 
>>> of stars remain almost static, how some constellations are named and why, 
>>> when they apear in the sky at what time, using my exact location. I spend a 
>>> lot of time reflecting on how to make this magic better using either 
>>> visual, sound, touch or voice.
>>> 
>>> You can listen to the frequencies coming out of every planet, and get a 3D 
>>> audio experience of major stars in the 89 constellations interpreted as 
>>> chimes, with higher pitches representing newborn stars, and clangy metallic 
>>> chimes those older stars which are cooling down. Novas are thunder rolls 
>>> coursing through the 3D space, and i am thinking of other ways to represent 
>>> those stars and their properties.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The official video will be coming out soon, but here's a quick demo audio 
>>> of me playing around with it:
>>> 
>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/yj184tgvzr481p8/Input%20Device%20Recording%2020180812%200638.mp3?dl=0
>>>> 
&g

Re: Introducing Astreos: universal access to the cosmos

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

yuma,
Your app sounds absolutely gorgeous! your presentation of it was absolutely 
excellent! I shall try and download the beta version a little later today. I 
think, we are only just beginning to explore the possibilities 3-D sound 
skates. thanks for creating something so beautiful and immersive.

from Sandy, in Ireland.

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 12 Aug 2018, at 20:15, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> A quick introduction of myself.
> 
> I am a blind software engineer, studying mahematics at UQ in Brisbane, 
> Australia.
> 
> I am also a passionate sci-fi, space, physics and astronomy fan. I am not 
> partially sighted, I am stone cold blind. But I wasn't always like that. I 
> still remember summer nights when the sky was clear enough to see the Milky 
> Way, the planets through the lens of a telescope, and the first images of 
> constellations with their beautiful nebulas came out.
> 
> So I decided to write an app that allows me, blind, to find the exact 
> position of all these objects in the sky using 2 sensory dimensions, with an 
> attention to those who are partially sighted too, wherever I am located on 
> earth. if I look for the sun, the phone will orient me to its exact location.
> 
> Astreos is the concatenation of Astrius, god of dusk, and Eos, goddess of 
> dawn. 
> 
> As the app is a complete 6 degree of freedom experience to find planets, 
> moons, manmade satellites and fragments, comets, asteroids, near earth 
> objects, constellations, major stars and find information about them all, I 
> thought it appropriate to put both gods of the sky in the same name.
> 
> This app uses connections to NASA's APIs, including the Horizons system which 
> follows in mission critical precision all objects within the confines of the 
> solar system, and updates itself automatically for the more than 118000 stars 
> which are visible to the naked eye, 22 other objects, including far away 
> galaxies, their names, categories, how they look, what chemical elements or 
> spectrum they have, super novas, and much more, through the largest 
> astronomical database, the Vizier catalogue.
> 
> The app is still in beta and I and my team are working hard to put more and 
> more content to the app, but more importantly, finding new ways to allow 
> those of us who are blind to access such information, and really have a sense 
> of where all of this is in the sky.
> 
> My personal experience for this has been to better understand where a lot of 
> stars remain almost static, how some constellations are named and why, when 
> they apear in the sky at what time, using my exact location. I spend a lot of 
> time reflecting on how to make this magic better using either visual, sound, 
> touch or voice.
> 
> You can listen to the frequencies coming out of every planet, and get a 3D 
> audio experience of major stars in the 89 constellations interpreted as 
> chimes, with higher pitches representing newborn stars, and clangy metallic 
> chimes those older stars which are cooling down. Novas are thunder rolls 
> coursing through the 3D space, and i am thinking of other ways to represent 
> those stars and their properties.
> 
> 
> The official video will be coming out soon, but here's a quick demo audio of 
> me playing around with it:
> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/yj184tgvzr481p8/Input%20Device%20Recording%2020180812%200638.mp3?dl=0
>> 
> 
> 
> If you are interested in testing the beta, I invite you to leave me your 
> email at the following link: (don't expect it to be completely stable yet but 
> it works fine on devices such as iPads and iPhones down to the 6 without 
> issues).
> 
> https://www.oseyeris.com/contacts
> 
> 
> Since this is a beta, I am interested in getting your feedback, ideas and 
> requests, and I will do my best to put them in the app.
> 
> have a great week y'all,
> 
> Yuma Antoine Decaux
> OSS (Operating System Stack)
> Oseyeris
> www.oseyeris.com
> Skype: Shainobi1 
> twitter: @triple7
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Re: Glasses

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi,

Don't have the exact link just now, but if you go to aira.io (or, maybe, 
aira@io) (hope that is right!) you should find a link to joining the pilot 
scheme. Not sure if it is still open though, as I seem to remember that there 
was a deadline.

Hope it works out for you, Sandy. 

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 24 May 2018, at 10:43, Ian Harrison  wrote:
> 
> Hi, does anyone know how to sign up for a pilot in the UK?
> 
> Thanks, Ian
>> On 4 May 2018, at 01:51, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>> 
>> The Samsung phone included with the new glasses is simply for providing 
>> power to the glasses. Apparently Talk Back is locked out, so you can't use 
>> the phone as a phone, so you still will have 4 pieces of hardware, the 
>> iPhone, the bluetooth headset, the Samsung phone, and the glasses. The 
>> advantage to this system is that you don't have to charge the glasses 
>> separately, as the Samsung phone will power them.
>>  
>> Andy
>>  
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Kay Malmquist
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2018 5:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Glasses
>>> 
>>> They are introducing a new model called the horizon and this is a new pair 
>>> of glasses that have the camera in the middle and operates with a Samsung 
>>> phone that is dedicated for just Aira.  No more Mifi and less hardware.  
>>> You can still use your iPhone if you like, but if not and you want to use 
>>> the new system, this will free up your Iphone for use in whatever way you 
>>> like.  The new glasses will have a larger field of vision.
>>>  
>>> As for becoming dependent on Aira, I don't really think so.  Do I like 
>>> using it for things?  Yes,  When it comes to describing events, helping me 
>>> put items together,  finding things on the net that I wanted to buy more of 
>>> and so much more.  Just makes my life a bit easier and I don't feel that 
>>> dependence is the issue.  I still do things without the help of Aira, but 
>>> when I use them to quick scan my mail or find a sirloin steak in my freezer 
>>> that doesn't have a barcode because it is from a side, I appreciate them 
>>> very much.  Finding my way in an office building when no one else is around 
>>> has become less of a chore that's for sure. 
>>>  
>>> Kay Malmquist
>>> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>>>  
>>> Gratitude Advantages 
>>> "No matter what your temperament is now, gratitude will give you more 
>>> patience, understanding, compassion, and kindness."
>>>  
>>> — Rhonda Byrne
>>>  
 - Original Message - 
 From: Andy Baracco
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2018 3:22 PM
 Subject: Re: Glasses
 
 i agree with michael. When I was working I would have had the same issues. 
 But my friends who have the service absolutely love it, in fact, they seem 
 to be addicted to it, and I think that is a negative. Lately they seem to 
 be everywhere, doing an advertising blitz and I almost feel like it's 
 being shoved down my throat. But i think there is a use case for it, and 
 if my circumstances were different, I might consider it. I think it's 
 neat, but certainly not for everyone. I do wish that there was a way that 
 the glasses could interface directly with the iPhone so you wouldn't need 
 another device. As it is you have your phone, some way to get audio, i. e. 
 bluetooth headset, the glasses, and either a mobile hot spot or another 
 phone that you would need to power the glasses. You need to make sure that 
 all of these pieces are charged and in working order, and if one link in 
 the chain fails, you're back to your own skills.
  
 Andy
  
> - Original Message - 
> From: Michael Maslo
> To: Viphone
> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2018 8:27 AM
> Subject: Re: Glasses
> 
> Out of curiosity, what plans are people who have these glasses have? I 
> personally can't justify the price for none of the plans. I would be 
> prohibiting to use them on my job due to sensitive material I have or in 
> contact with. Also the money spent for the glasses and plans could be 
> used to pay bills, save for a vacation or so many items. I respect there 
> are a lot who like this application but it is but not for me. If those 
> who have these glasses go shopping with them, how long does it take you 
> to go shopping? Is it faster then asking for assistance or using the on 
> line services offered by a lot of chains? Thanks for any responses.
> 
> 
>> On May 3, 2018 at 09:40,  wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder if their minutes roll over like AT and Net 10 prepay plans 
>> do?  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Carolyn  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Re: Question about adding new contact.

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
I also like the two finger flick up for reading the whole screen, just to give 
you an idea of what you are dealing with.

Sandy

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 23 May 2018, at 03:11, Marie  wrote:
> 
> I provide some assistance to new users of the IPhone using voiceover and I 
> have found a practice that is very helpful.
> When you first begin with any app, go to the top of the screen and begin 
> flicking from left to right to move down the page from line to line. when you 
> land on a line, wait a short time to hear what voiceover tells you about 
> same. Often it will explain what to do like when you land on a text field, it 
> will give you the name of the field then tell you to double tap to enter the 
> text. The secret is to slow down, use patience and let the phone assist you.
> In addition it is useful to move all the way to the bottom of the screen 
> before you attempt entering anything, just to see what is there and available.
> We have had some really good results with this method.And I hope it will help 
> you with mastering this amazing device.
> Marie
>  
>  
> From: Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 11:55 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Question about adding new contact.
>  
> I actually added one using the keyboard, but it has a one-word name, Time, 
> our Time and Weather Service here that I use to check, like if my phone is 
> working right, whatever.
>  
> Here is my question. What do I do to go from field to field to enter 
> information. Then, what do I do to end it and make sure it is added. Today, I 
> got it in, but sort of guessed around about what to do.
>  
>  
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Re: Phone settings for the 8 Plus

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

hi, I also have that message "finish setting up your iPhone". and I don't know 
what to do with it. I have a feeling, it has something to do with my partners 
iPad. because we share an Apple ID. so, not wishing to mess with his iPad 
settings, I just ignore it. Am I doing wrong?
Sandy

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> On 20 May 2018, at 10:01, Bill Outman  wrote:
> 
> I got the raise to wake turned off just now, I believe. 
>  
> I vaguely remembered the practice area, but thanks for reminding me of it.  I 
> have four years of experience with iPhones, having been a veteran of the 5S. 
>  
> Another list member addressed the sensitivity problem; I don’t think the zomm 
> she talked about would apply to me as a total. 
>  
> I hope this change will take care of the principal issue, though. 
>  
> I am being prompted to finish setting up my iPhone, and I’m not sure what 
> it’s asking for exactly.  I had found four years ago when I bought the last 
> phone that I assumed the A. T. & T. store had registered it with Apple and 
> only found later they hadn’t.  I suppose that could be an issue but I also 
> nknow I have more features available now than the 5S hardware allowed even 
> though they were showing up in the operating system. 
>  
> Bill Outman
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Anna Dresner
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 12:02 AM
> To: VIPhone Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Phone settings for the 8 Plus
>  
> Hello Bill,
>  
> Go to Settings, and choose Display & Brightness. One of the options on that 
> screen is Raise to Wake. If you turn it off, your phone won't talk when you 
> move it around if the screen is locked.
>  
> As for making gestures you don't intend, I would suggest going to Settings, 
> choosing General, then Accessibility, then VoiceOver. On that screen is an 
> option called VoiceOver Practice. If you double-tap that, you open a screen 
> where you can try out the various gestures. VoiceOver will tell you which 
> gesture it thinks you performed and what that gesture does. Once you get 
> familiar with the gestures, you're less likely to perform ones you didn't 
> intend. there's a done button in the upper right corner of the screen that 
> you can use to stop practicing.
>  
> I hope that helps.
>  
> Best,
> Anna
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On May 17, 2018, at 7:30 PM, Bill Outman  wrote:
>  
> Hello.  
>  
> I’m having a couple issues with my new 8 Plus.  
>  
> When I jiggle or bump it even slightly, the phone speaks, which can be 
> disconcerting to those around me if I’m in a group of people, such as at 
> church.  
>  
> Also, the touch seems very sensitive to the slightest tap, for instance, when 
> I hit the home button, sometimes the phone opens a program such as Music, 
> which I am not meaning to open at that time.  
>  
> What do I need to adjust, and where do I find those settings.  
>  
> Bill Outman 
>  
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Re: FaceTime calls and the speaker

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Sieghard,
I thought as much, mine  is not behaving that way. my partners phone is 
behaving perfectly, he has a 6+, but my eight is not. I am wondering if there 
is a setting somewhere that I can change… I did try swiping at the top of the 
phone screen, but it made no difference.
Thanks for all the help, Sandy

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 17 May 2018, at 15:15, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Facetime Audio works the same as a regular call for me, if I move the phone 
> away from my ear it switches to speakerphone mode.
> Facetime with video usually goes straight to the speakerphone since the 
> assumption is you want the other person to see you so you are not holding 
> your phone up to your ear hence providing an up close view of the side of 
> your head *smile*.
> Also, if you use Facetime and you are using it to show something to the other 
> person you can look for a "Flip Camera" button and if you double tap it the 
> back camera will be used instead of the front camera which I sthe default.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Simon' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: FaceTime calls and the speaker
> 
> what if you swipe the spot where you put the phone to your ear. that should 
> start the other speaker.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 6:25 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: FaceTime calls and the speaker
> 
> Hi,
> 
>I have had iphones since the very first 4 came out, but have never used 
> Facetime! I just tried it and found it did work, but the sound was routed 
> through the small speaker, the one used by the phone, how can I get it to 
> route via the large speaker at the bottom of the phone?
> Thanks, Sandy.
> 
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Re: The best color identifyer that would work on an Iphone 5s

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi,

Something I have noticed, when we discuss these colour identifier apps is: 
people don't seem to grasp the fact that colours are merely light waves, and 
so, change according to the light source. Electric lights change the colour, 
compared with daylight or sunshine. So, in different circumstances, you get 
different results. Saying this, when I use the seeing ai app, it quite often 
says "grey" when the article is absolutely not grey. Also, i am wondering, if 
there is more than the chosen article visible on the screen, how does the app 
choose which colour to identify? For example, a red flowered vest on a white 
bed cover?

If it helps at all, I have found camfind to be very good at recognising 
articles and describing patterns and colours.

Just my thoughts, but something I would love to see if an app which had and 
"led" mode, which would tell me the status of led lights, how many are visible, 
what is their status, blinking, colour etc.

Thanks, Sandy. 

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 16 May 2018, at 18:47, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> 
> I had a question for everyone who participated in this thread: 
> 
> Who uses a color identifier frequently? If so, is it part of a function that 
> needs checking in numerous lighting conditions? 
> 
> Sent from sputnik7 
> 
>> On 16/05/2018, at 10:52 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Taptapsee is as good as any. Color Inspector does well, but they all need 
>> good, consistent lighting and should not be entirely trusted as much as a 
>> stand alone device.
>> I like TapTapSee because it will also identify a pattern.
>> Those apps are free.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world 
>> quieter.” 
>> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
>> 
>> On May 16, 2018, at 4:50 AM, "ndagosti...@gmail.com"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> The subject says it all.
>>>  
>>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>>  
>>> Thank you
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FaceTime calls and the speaker

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi,

I have had iphones since the very first 4 came out, but have never used 
Facetime! I just tried it and found it did work, but the sound was routed 
through the small speaker, the one used by the phone, how can I get it to route 
via the large speaker at the bottom of the phone?
Thanks, Sandy. 

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Re: Shared From Seeing AI

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Richard,
Have you tried it from the product info page? That was where I had the problem.
Sandy

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> On 15 May 2018, at 20:16, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> sandy,
> Actually, you can write a message when you share text from Seeing AI.
> You can touch in the body of the email  and double tap and enter text as 
> always.
> I'm not sure what happened for you, but I just sent myself a test email after 
> scanning a document with no issues.
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 
> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
> 
> On May 15, 2018, at 1:40 AM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone 
> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
>> Richard,
>> You are welcome! I too discovered something about the seeing AI app, to wit: 
>> when you choose the share option and then select mail, it doesn't seem to 
>> allow you to add anything into the message body. which is why an empty 
>> message arrived on list. Sorry folks. but, perhaps, it was just me, I wonder 
>> if anyone else finds the same small bug?
>> 
>> still very impressed with this seeing AI app! Sandy
>> 
>> Sent from The dark side of the moon
>> 
>> On 14 May 2018, at 19:54, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm sure Sandra was pointing out that the Product channel in Seeing AI can 
>>> give you more information about a product just like the $1300 ID Mate, but 
>>> forgot to put some text in the body of the message and just shared the 
>>> attached document. I did not realize attachments are accepted on 
>>> GoogleGroups.
>>> So, I learned something from this. Thank you Sandra.
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world 
>>> quieter.” 
>>> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
>>> 
>>> On May 14, 2018, at 10:28 AM, James English <james13engl...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> LOL I've had that wine before and can give an overview of its quality.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/14/18, englishride...@gmail.com <englishride...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Agreed, Sieghard. Lol Cheap wine can be quite delicious--and as anyone in
>>>>> the industry can tell you, price is not indicative of quality.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also, she probably sent it to the list by mistake. Calm down.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Ari
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 14, 2018, at 8:43 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What's with the attitude?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of
>>>>>> James English
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 8:20 AM
>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Shared From Seeing AI
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It has an attatchment which tells her how long she should keep her bottle
>>>>>> of cheap wine for.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 5/14/18, Donna <merma...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> This message is blank!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 14, 2018, at 10:34 AM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone
>>>>>>>> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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Re: Shared From Seeing AI

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Richard,
You are welcome! I too discovered something about the seeing AI app, to wit: 
when you choose the share option and then select mail, it doesn't seem to allow 
you to add anything into the message body. which is why an empty message 
arrived on list. Sorry folks. but, perhaps, it was just me, I wonder if anyone 
else finds the same small bug?

still very impressed with this seeing AI app! Sandy

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 14 May 2018, at 19:54, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm sure Sandra was pointing out that the Product channel in Seeing AI can 
> give you more information about a product just like the $1300 ID Mate, but 
> forgot to put some text in the body of the message and just shared the 
> attached document. I did not realize attachments are accepted on GoogleGroups.
> So, I learned something from this. Thank you Sandra.
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 
> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
> 
> On May 14, 2018, at 10:28 AM, James English <james13engl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> LOL I've had that wine before and can give an overview of its quality.
>> 
>>> On 5/14/18, englishride...@gmail.com <englishride...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Agreed, Sieghard. Lol Cheap wine can be quite delicious--and as anyone in
>>> the industry can tell you, price is not indicative of quality.
>>> 
>>> Also, she probably sent it to the list by mistake. Calm down.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ari
>>> 
>>>> On May 14, 2018, at 8:43 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> What's with the attitude?
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of
>>>> James English
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 8:20 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Shared From Seeing AI
>>>> 
>>>> It has an attatchment which tells her how long she should keep her bottle
>>>> of cheap wine for.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/14/18, Donna <merma...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>> This message is blank!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Donna
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 14, 2018, at 10:34 AM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone
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>>>>>> 
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Re: I.D. Mate bar code reader instead of iOS barcode app?

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Richard,

I just sent in, don't know if it arrived, of a successful scan of a ottle 
of wine. I, like you, find the Seeing Ai product channel very useful and it is 
free!! The only things I have difficulty with are smallish tubes of cosmetic 
creams. It finds the barcode easily, but can't seem to get a good enough 
purchase, so, I get the fast beeps, but no result. I didn't know that if you 
get the "not identified" message, it was worth trying again.

Something I noticed, when doing the wine, was that it works best with the 
bottle upright and just rotate until you hear the beep. Most round containers 
seem to need to be on their sides. I suppose it comes from wine had a life of 
its own, and was not to be put on its side or shaken. Most modern wines 
wouldn't notice if you put them in the spin-dryer!

I went over to my larder, intending to try the product reader on some jars, 
as soon as I got near enough, phone in hand, not having decided which to try, 
the app started beeping and reading whatever it saw, barcode-wise! I find it 
excellent at spotting the smallest indication of a barcode. I do notice, 
sometimes, once you get the fast beeps, but no "processing" message, it is 
worth gently changing the angle of the phone, in a sort of circular movement, 
it sometimes does the trick!

Sandy, waiting for happy hour!  

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 14 May 2018, at 14:21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> OK, to help those who have struggled with the Seeing AI app's Product 
> identification, I tested it on a can of LeCroix sparking water. There is no 
> label, so you cannot use the seam as a location hint for the bar code, but 
> have to just turn the can until the beeps begin.
> I started with the iPhone about 18 inches from the can, and when the beeps 
> started, I slowly moved the can closer to the iPhone. When it got between 4 
> and 6 inches away, the product was identified. That took no more than 10 
> seconds and I think less.
> I then tried it on a carton of heavy cream.
> The first try, came back with product not identified. So I tried again and 
> made sure the side of the carton where the beeps had happened was straight on 
> and it worked. Again, I started about 18 inches away until the beeps started.
> After the identification was made, I flicked right to the more info button 
> and double tapped, and got this result:
> Darigold Whipping Cream Classic 36%, Heavy
> 
> Keep product refrigerated. For best quality, use within fifteen days after 
> opening. Especially for sauces and whipping. Farmer owned. Your local dairy. 
> Since 1918. This milk comes from cows not treated with the growth 
> hormone-rBST (According to the FDA, no significant difference has been shown 
> between milk derived from rbST treated and non-rbST treated cows) . 
> Ultra-pasteurized. Thank you for choosing Darigold. What is 
> ultra-pasteurization. Ultra-pasteurization is a process similar to regular 
> pasteurization that simply uses pressure, higher heat, and a shorter period 
> of time. The product is then packaged on special very clean filling machines. 
> The high heat process and clean packaging environment significantly extend 
> the freshness period for milk and other products like heavy whipping cream. 
> No chemicals or preservatives are added to the product as part of the 
> ultra-pasteurization process. This advanced technology extends the shelf life 
> to 60+ days (the shelf life for regular pasteurization is 21 days). Once the 
> carton is opened, it is best used within fifteen days. Grade A. A gluten free 
> product.
> 
> 
> On frozen dinners, the more info button usually gets all the nutrition info 
> plus cooking instructions for both regular ovens and microwaves.
> So, for me, the slightly slower time compared to an ID Mate is well worth it 
> so I can save my money for more important purchases.
> Just my two cents worth,
> Richard
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Re: Glasses

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi,

Before looking at Aira, thinking it too expensive and, anyway, not 
available here in Ireland, I was looking at headsets, for a similar idea, using 
face-time instead. It was only when I found reference to the Horizon Glasses, 
produced by the Aira people, that I seemed to have found a solution, which made 
me take another look at the Aira service itself. Well, I was so impressed by 
the professionalism of the agents, plus their computer dash-board, which 
exponentially increased their ability to give me quick and relevant 
information, that I thought that Aira might be something I would use and gain 
from. Now, we have it coming to Ireland for a pilot scheme, but we will only be 
using it with our phones, and not the headsets, until it is established, if 
there is enough interest. Now, the problem is cost. Making choices is one 
thing, the ability to pay is another, for many of us, we just simply don't have 
the funds. I am looking into ways to subsidize the cost, be it on a national 
level, or sector by sector, for example, Students, people in employment, 
recipients of welfare services etc, and, so, would be glad to hear of any 
schemes used in the US, where Aira has been up and running for a while now.

The other question is this, with the new Glasses, will we be able to make 
face-time calls, so that we can still use our friends or family, to help out, 
with the advantage of the head-mounted and hands free benefits of the system? I 
know that you can use the glasses with the app on a smart phone, but don't know 
if you are locked into the app and can only connect with an Aira agent, while 
the app is running. 

If it were possible, I would be able to pay, say, 10 to 20 Euros per month, 
with minimal minutes, say, 30 minutes, for those special times when I need that 
level of professionalism.

Notwithstanding these financial concerns, I am still delighted to try it 
out!
Sandy. es,

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 4 May 2018, at 12:42, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
> 
> Personally I really like Aira, though I don't need the unlimited. I generally 
> use Aira to read my mail, and sometimes to do something on the computer 
> that's inaccessible for me.
> 
> There are other apps that can do some of this, but I know from personal 
> experience they aren't nearly as fast or as convenient as using Aira. I used 
> to use Seeing AI for trying to read my mail, just reading the envelopes to 
> know if it was important or not, and it took me probably two or three times 
> the time as it does with Aira.
> 
> I do wish there were a cheaper option, as I find myself using it less and 
> less frequently, but don't want to give it up altogether. I'm not sure if the 
> $89 is worth it for how little I've been using it, so it'd be nice if they 
> had one lower package.
> 
> Brandon
> 
>> On May 4, 2018, at 7:37 AM, Mama Peach  wrote:
>> 
>> I get that, but I think it is just another case of because we are blind, we 
>> are charged outragious prices for the service. I guess if it is a “got to 
>> have it situation and one has the money, then it would be nice to have. 
>> There are just so many apps out there that provide this same service, for 
>> very little money or nothing at all.
>>  
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2018 11:35 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Glasses
>>  
>> If you live a lifestyle where you need this level of assistance whether it’s 
>> maybe for a difficult job or whatever else you might like to do then it’s 
>> actually ot that expensive. How many hours of assistance can you get 
>> one-on-one if you paid somebody $15 an hour? Easy calculation, at $329 for 
>> unlimited service that would be 22 hours a months which is just a bit less 
>> than 45 minutes a day. I think also that for many people the 400 minutes or 
>> 6 hours and 40 minutes for $199 is enough and the big benefit is that the 
>> assistance is available just about any time you need it and not when maybe 
>> you asked whoever helps you to stop by.
>> On the other hand, paying $199 for 400 minutes works out to almost $30 an 
>> hour. In any case, it sounds as if those who can afford it and have it all 
>> agree it is worth it.
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mama 
>> Peach
>> Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018 9:25 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Glasses
>>  
>> Wow, my rent costs less than the unlimited minutes per month. Why not just 
>> use apps that are already available that don’t cost anywhere near this 
>> amount. I just can’t see spending that amount of money, but that is just my 
>> opinion.
>>  
>> From: Andy Baracco
>> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2018 6:51 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Glasses
>>  
>> The Samsung phone included with the new glasses is simply for providing 
>> power to the glasses. Apparently 

Fwd: unwanted emoticons

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Sent from The dark side of the moon

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Sandy Tomkins 
> Date: 21 April 2018 at 11:21:53 IST
> To: viph...@googlegroups.comv
> Subject: unwanted emoticons
> 
> hi,
> Both when using the on-board keyboard or a Bluetooth one, I keep getting into 
> the emoticons options. they get entered into my text! I don't want them! what 
> am I doing to make this happen, and how do I stop it?
> 
> thanks, Sandy
> 
> Sent from The dark side of the moon

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Re: where am I

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

I am thinking, this might be a case for a Bluetooth beacon? They are more 
accurate than GPS.
Sandy

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 12 Apr 2018, at 18:22, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> 
> Donald,
> Test Siri when you are outside in front of your house.
> GPS accuracy goes down as soon as you go into a building.
> But, remember, all GPS accuracy is dependent on a lot of factors and I would 
> not trust it for pinpoint locations, but it can be very good within 50 feet 
> or so if all is well.
> JMO,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 
> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
> 
> On Apr 12, 2018, at 10:13 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
>> Take a look at:
>> 
>> 
>> Ariadne GPS by Giovanni Ciaffoni 
>> https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/ariadne-gps/id441063072?mt=8
>> 
>> 
>> I have used this to monitor where I am and to track house numbers and 
>> streets when out.
>> 
>> You can have an alarm sound when you are approaching a designated 
>> favourite.Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 12 Apr 2018, at 17:59, Johnna Simmons  wrote:
>> 
>>> I did a search on the App Store for this app. I did not see a free version. 
>>> The one I saw past $.99. I don’t like to buy any apps unless I am 
>>> absolutely certain that they are voiceover accessible. Is this one 
>>> completely accessible?
>>> 
>>> Live the life you want. Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Apr 12, 2018, at 12:45 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
 
 there is an app called "where the hell am I". It's free on the apple 
 appstore and it works nicely.
 
 Also, you can always ask the voice agent (Siri on the iPhone) your 
 location.
 
 -eric
 
> On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Donald Raikes wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This may be a "silly" question, but I figured I would ask it since
> others may not know as well.
> When I am out taking our grand dog for a walk, I would like my IPhone
> to help me determine when I am back home.  Our house is in the middle
> of the block, and when I am out with my cane I count the mail boxes to
> determine when I am at our house, but when walking the dog, she
> doesn't allow me to count the mailboxes she just guides me arround
> them (without any formal training).
> 
> Also if we go a different route, and approach from accross the street
> I woul d like to know when we are accross from the house.
> 
> Is there a simple way to have my phone tell me that we are at home?
> 
> Any tips would be appreciated.
> 
> Don
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Re: A review of Aira. What it is, how it works, and the ways it has changed my life, Mosen Consulting

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

if anyone has difficulty getting this article to read, I found, by tapping on 
the link and going to Safari page and then choosing reader, it read perfectly.
Sandy

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 6 Apr 2018, at 19:02, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,  
> 
> I am posting the following article because it references an iOS app.
> 
> Mark
> 
> A review of Aira. What it is, how it works, and the ways it has changed my
> life
> by Jonathan Mosen, Posted on 03/04/2018
> 
> Introduction
> Recently, I was pleased to attend the CSUN assistive technology conference.
> I've had the privilege of going to 10 of these before, but it has been a few
> years since I was there last.
> When you're involved with an industry, you tend to watch developments so
> closely that changes usually seem incremental. But occasionally, something
> new comes along that is so game changing, it stops you in your tracks. For
> me, San Diego-based Aira is one such technology. I am late to this party.
> Aira has been rolling out for some time in the United States. And indeed, we
> covered Aira in an edition of The Blind Side Podcast last year. But since
> mentioning my Aira experience to people via outlet such as my Internet radio
> show, The Mosen Explosion, I've learned that not everyone yet fully
> understands what the service is or how it works. For those not familiar with
> Aira, or who would like to read someone else's impressions of it, read on.
> What is Aira
> According to the company's website,
> Aira is today's fastest growing assistive community. One tap of a button
> instantly connects you with a sighted professional agent who delivers visual
> assistance anytime and anywhere.
> Here's what that means in practice. At present, Aira is a smart phone app,
> available for iOS and Android. Since Aira is a service for blind people,
> it's no surprise that the app is exemplary in terms of its accessibility.
> And in iOS, it even sports Siri integration.
> Using the app, you can connect via video, much like a FaceTime call, with
> agents who can provide you with visual information. Audio quality is
> excellent, far clearer than a standard cell phone connection. Essentially,
> an Aira agent can tell you anything at all that a pair of functioning eyes
> can see, plus perform a range of tasks pertaining to that information.
> You can acquire the visual information using your smart phone's camera, or,
> when you become a subscriber to the Aira service (Aira calls its customers
> "explorers") you receive a pair of smart glasses. These are included as part
> of your subscription, so there's no hardware cost upfront.
> The service is available officially in the United States at present, where
> Aira has an arrangement with AT Aira explorers receive an AT MiFi
> device, allowing them to use the service on the go without the data consumed
> by the video connection eating up a customer's own cellular plan. If you
> have a cellular plan equipped with the personal hotspot feature, you are
> free to pair your Aira glasses with your phone using that method. For those
> with large data plans, this may be attractive because there is one less
> device to keep track of, carry, and charge. The downside, other than the
> data consumption, is that a video connection to Aira for a long time may
> cause significant battery drain on your smart phone.
> When you're at home, work, or anywhere that Wi-Fi is available that doesn't
> require web-based authentication, you can pair your Aira glasses to that
> network. As far as I have been able to ascertain, 5 GHZ Wi-Fi isn't
> supported at present.
> Because of the need for high quality video, the glasses pair via Wi-Fi, and
> not Bluetooth. The glasses are associated with your Aira account. This is
> useful if, like in Bonnie's and my house, you're sharing your minutes as a
> couple. More on that later.
> The upshot of all of this is that for 18 hours of every day, professional,
> well-trained sighted assistance is just a few taps or a Siri command away.
> Describing it like this makes it sound kind of cool. But I want to explain
> the impact that Aira has had on our lives in the brief time we have had it,
> to illustrate that, at least for some of us, this technology is more than
> just pretty cool, it's life-changing.
> My first Aira experience
> If you've been reading this blog or listening to The Blind Side Podcast over
> the years, you will know that in recent times I have come out as having a
> hearing impairment. I love going to these big conferences because I get to
> catch up with old friends and make new ones, as well as see the latest and
> greatest technology. I hate going to these big conferences because often, I
> find myself in difficult audio environments. It can be very noisy. Hotel
> lobbies and restaurants are often exceedingly crowded, with high ceilings
> causing noise to bounce everywhere. The environment is difficult and tiring,
> but I keep going and doing the