Re: Microsoft’s Disability Answer Desk is now powered by Be My AI, the Artificial Intelligence Visual Assistant from Be My Eyes

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

Initial impressions are very bad. I told it I had muted the volume on
my computer and that it was running Windows 10, which is something
I've used the answer desk to resolve in the past. It gave me a series
of keys to press that would supposedly unmute the volume but they were
completely incorrect - not even close in fact. It also made some
references to what my screen reader should be saying as I pressed them
(also totally wrong), seemingly not realising that if my volume was
muted I wouldn't be able to hear it talking which is why it's such a
tricky issue to resolve in the first place. I then asked it what the
hotkeys were to change the speed of Narrator. It got those wrong as
well. I'm glad that talking to a human is still possible.

As an aside, my experience is that the answer desk are always more
than willing to help you navigate the UEFI/BIOS, in fact that's the
main thing I use the service before. Just recently they helped me make
a change to a RAID array and make a small tweak to some memory
timings. It really is an incredible service.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 11/16/23, Robert Doc Wright  wrote:
> Actually I had it during the Dos days. I had a program that ran from Dos but
>
> let me make changes in the BIOS. it was by Phoenix and was given to me from
>
> a guy who had been working on my pc.
>   - Original Message -
>   From: William James
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2023 10:33 PM
>   Subject: Re: Microsoft’s Disability Answer Desk is now powered by Be My
> AI, the Artificial Intelligence Visual Assistant from Be My Eyes
>
>
>   I would too, but you know as well as I do that having speech in the BIOS
> will never happen in our lifetimes.
> AI is the way to go!
>
>
>
>
>
>   Sent from my iPad Air 5
>
>
> On Nov 15, 2023, at 11:26 PM, Robert Doc Wright
>  wrote:
>
>
> 
> I'd rather have software to help in the bios.I'll admit that knowing
> what is on the screen is a benefit. I want to actually work as I normally do
>
> anywhere else.
>   - Original Message -
>   From: William James
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2023 1:52 PM
>   Subject: Re: Microsoft’s Disability Answer Desk is now powered by Be
> My AI, the Artificial Intelligence Visual Assistant from Be My Eyes
>
>
>   I think this is very awesome to have!  I would love to see if it would
>
> help me with a BIOS.  Now that would be ground-breaking for sure!
>
>
>
>
>   Get Outlook for iOS
>
> --
>
>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
>
> Alan Lemly 
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2023 12:45:16 PM
>   To: VIPhone Email List 
>   Subject: Fwd: Microsoft’s Disability Answer Desk is now powered by Be
>
> My AI, the Artificial Intelligence Visual Assistant from Be My Eyes
>
>   I'm not sure I want AI handling my Microsoft accessibility issues but
>
> at least the below states a live person can be requested. Thought the list
> might be interested in the below announcement.
>
>
>   Alan Lemly
>   Sent from my iPhone
>
>   Begin forwarded message:
>
>
> From: Mike from Be My Eyes 
> Date: November 15, 2023 at 10:59:11 AM CST
> To: Alan Lemly 
> Subject: Microsoft’s Disability Answer Desk is now powered by Be My
>
> AI, the Artificial Intelligence Visual Assistant from Be My Eyes
> Reply-To: no-re...@bemyeyes.com
>
>
>  Read it online
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> We are excited to announce a new feature for Be My Eyes Specialized
>
> Help: Microsoft's Disability Answer Desk is now powered by Be My AI.
>
> The introduction of Be My AI to Microsoft’s offering on Be My Eyes
> opens the door to a revolutionary new way to get immediate assistance
> through Specialized Help. To visit Microsoft’s profile, open the Be My Eyes
>
> app, and navigate to Specialized Help. Here you can select “Technical” and
> click on Microsoft to open their profile on Be My Eyes. You can now tap on
> the new “Chat with Be My AI” button on Microsoft’s profile and ask any
> question through a text message! Blind users of Be My Eyes will always have
>
> the option to use traditional human conversations with a Microsoft agent.
>
> Whether you need to set up your new Microsoft account, reboot your
> laptop, or install and update software, Microsoft’s AI-Powered Disability
> Answer Desk can assist you with a number of tasks. This new service from
> Microsoft on Be My Eyes is available to all iOS users and is coming soon for
>
> Android devices. You can reach out to Microsoft’s AI-Powered Disability
> Answer 24/7 from over 150 countries worldwide. The service is currently
> available in English.
>
> You can learn more about Microsoft’s AI-Powered Disability Answer
> Desk on our new blog post Introducing Microsoft's AI-Powered Disability
> Answer Desk on Be My 

Re: Be My Eyes AI feature

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

Your images are actually stored by Be My Eyes, it's just that you
can't access them.
https://www.bemyeyes.com/blog/be-my-eyes-is-updating-our-terms-of-service-and-privacy-policy

Cheers,
Ben.

On 10/26/23, kheve...@fuse.net  wrote:
> That helps a lot.  Thanks.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 12:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Be My Eyes AI feature
>
> The pictures are not saved anywhere.  They are used to do the analysis and
> then dumped.
> To save them, you would actually have to simply use the camera and take the
> photo, then under the share option for that photo, select Describe with Be
> My AI.
>
>
> HTH,
>
>
>
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”
>  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> kheve...@fuse.net
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 8:30 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Be My Eyes AI feature
>
> Richard, I have been impressed with the AI feature of be my eyes too.  I
> took a selfy and was quiter surprised to discover the color of the top I was
> wearing.  My friend confirmed its accuracy.  Also used it to read computer
> screen when Jaws was not working.  I do have a question.  Where do your
> pictures go?  Are they just deleted, or are they hanging out somewhere in
> the cloud?  I have not found an option for saving or deleting them.  Thanks.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 10:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: FW: Be My Eyes AI feature
>
> I was given a loaf of gluten free bread yesterday.  This morning, in a very
> dark kitchen, before sunrise, I wanted to double check the exact type of
> bread for future purchase.  After trying several Bar Code apps and getting
> an invalid Bar Code, I didn't even think about turning the light on, and
> just used Be My Eyes AI to take a picture of the label.
> Here is the result:
> The picture shows a loaf of bread in a plastic packaging. The packaging has
> a label that reads "New Cascadia Tradition". It is gluten-free Honey Gold
> sandwich bread. The label also mentions that it is whole grain, non-GMO,
> potato-free, dairy-free, nut-free, soy-free, and always gluten-free. The net
> weight is 19.5 oz (553g). The packaging also has a "Certified Gluten-Free"
> logo and a "Certified Paleo" logo. There is also text that says "Visit our
> cafe!". The bread is placed on a countertop with a drawer handle visible at
> the bottom of the picture. The picture is taken in dim light.
>
> I am extremely impressed with this feature of Be My Eyes.
>
> Richard
>
> website:  www.turner42.com
>
> (Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)
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Re: Question about an inherited iPhone.

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Unless you have access to her email as has already been stated,
officially, you can't. Apple will sometimes remove a device from an
iCloud account if you can present them with a death certificate
though.

On 7/21/23, 'Joseph Hudson' via VIPhone  wrote:
> If you have access to her email address, you can reset the password. To her
> Apple ID.
>
>> On Jul 21, 2023, at 9:08 AM, Michael Irons  wrote:
>>
>> I inherited an iPhone 11 from my sister who passed away in 2020. I did not
>> get the password for her Apple ID to sign her out. How do I reset the
>> phone so that her information is gone and I can sell the phone?
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Re: extract names from photo

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Why not just call Aira or similar and just have them read the names
out to you or get them to put them in an email? An agent should be
able to do that within the free 5 minute call.

On 6/21/23, Ann M Medlar  wrote:
> Good morning:
>
> I have an old class photo in .JPG format on my windows 10 desktop.  File
> name is IMG_0430.JPG
>
> I can also use iPhone or other Apple hardware.
>
> Unsure of format but lets say five photos horizontal and five photos
> vertical.
>
> Under each photo is student’s name.
>
>  Any method to save students’ names in text format?
>
> I tried these options details below:
>
> Edit photo
>
> Picture Smart
>
> Convenient OCR to Word with JAWS
>
> Convenient OCR with JAWS
>
> On desktop I virtualize window, alt+Insert+W then copy and paste options:
>
> Open
>
> Create a new video
>
> Edit with Photos
>
> Edit with Paint 3D
>
> Set as desktop background
>
> Print
>
> Share with Skype
>
> Picture Smart with JAWS
>
> Convenient OCR to Word with JAWS
>
> Convenient OCR with JAWS
>
> Rotate right
>
> Rotate left
>
> Cast to Device
>
> Scan with Microsoft Defender...
>
> Share
>
> Open with
>
> WinRAR
>
> Scan with Malwarebytes
>
> Restore previous versions
>
> Send to
>
> Cut
>
> Copy
>
> Create shortcut
>
> Delete
>
> Rename
>
> Properties
>
> I try:
>
> Edit photo
>
> Results:
>
> Photos
>
> Crop & rotate Button  checked
>
> Filters Button
>
> Adjustments Button
>
> Undo all Button  unavailable
>
> Redo all Button  unavailable
>
> Increase Top edge Button
>
> Decrease Top edge Button
>
> Increase Right edge Button
>
> Decrease Right edge Button
>
> Increase Bottom edge Button
>
> Decrease Bottom edge Button
>
> Increase Left edge Button
>
> Decrease Left edge Button
>
> Top left crop handle group
>
> Increase Top left corner Button
>
> Decrease Top left corner Button
>
> Top right crop handle group
>
> Increase Top right corner Button
>
> Decrease Top right corner Button
>
> Bottom right crop handle group
>
> Increase Bottom right corner Button
>
> Decrease Bottom right corner Button
>
> Bottom left crop handle group
>
> Increase Bottom left corner Button
>
> Decrease Bottom left corner Button
>
> Crop & rotate
>
> 0 ° Straightening left right slider
>
> 50
>
> Rotate Button
>
> Flip Button
>
> Aspect ratio Custom Button
>
> Reset Button  unavailable
>
> Save a copy Button
>
> More save options Button
>
>
>
> I try:
>
> Picture Smart
>
> Jaws announces Couldn't analyze file
>
> Then tried:
>
> Convenient OCR to Word with JAWS
>
> Result:
>
>  -17."Phi I ip Ileri ,
>
> le- 1970
>
> 71,1 ij   A.
>
> 40 IA da tab sib a, die Edo
>
> 1-
>
> ,t/ aiS 
>
> Then try:
>
> Convenient OCR with JAWS
>
> Results:
>
>  -17."Phi I ip Ileri ,
>
> le- 1970
>
> 71,1 ij   A.
>
> 40 IA da tab sib a, die Edo
>
> 1-
>
> ,t/ aiS 
>
>
>  ndingTextLabel=OCR%20in%20progress.%20Please%20wait%20for%20additional%20con
> tent.#noop> Open in Word...
>
> OCR in progress. Please wait for additional content.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Soundscape back soon

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Best of luck, but I'll believe it when I see it:

- Not all of the project has been opensourced, so the maintainer will
either have to release an incomplete offering or handle all the fun
politics around integrating a new data provider to patch up the gaps.
- As supplied, the infrastructure can't be spun up without modification.
- If the maintainer sticks with Azure or some other cloud provider I
reckon you're easily looking at mid 4 figures a year, just on hosting
the backend.

I think part of the problem here is that (in the UK at least) there
really aren't that many blindness organizations big enough to take on
the commitment of maintaining something like this, let alone that have
the knowledge to do it properly. Obviously one solution to this is to
just buy the skills in, but just to spin up a small iOS dev team you'd
be looking at £300-350K in salary a year, not including all the
additional costs of employing them. Such a shame.

On 5/29/23, Lyne  wrote:
> Hello group,
>
> If things go well, Soundscape should be back in AppStore around July.
>
>
> Lyne
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Seeing AI now supports indoor navigation

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi all,

As per the subject, Seeing AI now supports indoor navigation as part
of its World channel on devices running iOS14 or newer. (It's a shame
that they don't have some kind of accessible GPS offering that this
could be integrated into.) "Indoor Navigation enables you to create
routes through a building, and later follow that route, guided by
spatial audio cues."
I've yet to try it, but the link below is for a basic tutorial that
can be found within the app:
https://youtu.be/sKMHg1DpTuE

I'd be interested in hearing peoples experiences around how well it
works and what people are doing with it.

Cheers,
Ben.

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Re: Ember heating control

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

A family member has one of their mugs and the app to control it is
completely inaccessible. If their heating system uses the same app
it's going to be a non-starter.

On 1/20/23, Albert Brown  wrote:
> Hello,
> At the moment I am using the nest google thermostat for my oil boiler.
> It is not very accessible.
> Has anyone tried the ember heating control?
>
>
> ALBERT
>
> JAWS HOME USE EDITION. VERSION 2023.2212.23
>
> MICROSOFT WINDOWS
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> Windows 11 Home (x64) Version 22H2 (built 22621.693)
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Re: Is it safe to remove phone from list

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Don't remove it from the account. If you do whoever has it now will be
able to use it, or at least the logic board from it (locked phones are
often parted out).

On 12/26/22, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> To be honest, I do not know why you would want to remove your wife's phone
> from your account unless, of course, you want to add it to her account.
>
> If you remove her phone from your iCloud account, the phone will still have
> the 6-digit unlock code on the device, itself.
>
> What the message is indicating is that, if not attached to your iCloud
> account, then if someone knows the 6-digit unlock code, then they could add
> it to their iCloud account; which would be the natural scenario were the
> phone sold or stolen.
>
> So, ideally, you will want to remove the phone from your iCloud account and
> then register it with another iCloud account as soon as possible.
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Agent086b
> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 3:35 PM
> To: viphone 
> Subject: Is it safe to remove phone from list
>
> Hi, earlier this year my wife had her iPhone stolen.
> I went into find my and set her phone to erase. It already had a 6 digit
> lock code . This was around April May this year. I thought I would remove
> from my iCloud account. When I think of doing I get a notification saying if
> I do this the phone can be activated by somebody else. If I do delete it
> will the lock code still be active?
> Thanks for any help on this one.
> Max.
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Re: iPhone SE charging cable.

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

All of the SE phones have Lightning ports, so you're correct in saying
that the cable required is USB to Lightning. What's on the non
Lightning end will depend on the charger they're plugging it into.

On 12/22/22, Larry Smith  wrote:
> Hi list members. I have a friend who is using an iPhone SE, I believe the
> original SE. Does anyone know what type charging cable is used with this
> phone? I thought it was a USB to lighting, but apparently not. Also, Is
> there a power bank available for this phone, Or perhaps an adapter? Thanks
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Re: Microsoft sound scape being discontinued

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

I've been calling something like this for years unfortunately. It was
only ever a research project which in turn means it can be pulled
whenever they want, but (more than understandably) nobody thinks of
that when they invest the days, weeks, months in learning it and often
making it their default GPS app. It was a great GPS solution with only
a very minimal learning curve. It was my go to suggestion for a free
offering and I've lost count of how many parents, mobility teachers
etc who have ultimately gone on to purchase iPhones after I've shown
it to them.

It's a nice gesture that they've released the code but that's going to
be largely meaningless for most folks. It's possible that a community
could form around maintaining the infrastructure required to keep it
running, but the more it gets used the greater the cost. Even if the
cost can be overcome I personally don't see a clear route to getting
it back onto the app store.

On 12/12/22, Devin Prater  wrote:
> Well we'll see. Maybe Goodmaps will snatch it up and use it in their stuff.
> But once projects are put away and stop working, they don't usually just
> rise from the dead.
> Devin Prater
> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 2:30 PM Richard Turner
> 
> wrote:
>
>> That could be because it is Google, .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard, USA.
>>
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
>> it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the
>> Universe
>>
>>
>>
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
>> *Devin Prater
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2022 12:26 PM
>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Microsoft sound scape being discontinued
>>
>>
>>
>> Google's TalkBack is open source too, and that hasn't helped them much.
>>
>> Devin Prater
>>
>> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 2:23 PM Richard Turner <
>> richardr_tur...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> It is only useful if you have Headphones that allow you to hear your
>> surroundings since it is in stereo and intended to help identify places
>> in
>> relation to where you are.
>>
>> I don’t know how many countries it worked in.
>>
>> And, they are not just "abandoning it" as some have said.  They are
>> making
>> it open source; so anyone who wants to can further develop it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard, USA.
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
>> it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the
>> Universe
>>
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2022 12:12 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Microsoft sound scape being discontinued
>>
>> I doubt Seeing AI will follow this example, it seemed to me that
>> Microsoft
>> Soundscape was more of an experiment and I assume it is by far the less
>> popular if you compared it to Seeing AI.
>> I have it downloaded as well and maybe I should try to use it again more,
>> but I never found it that useful.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Gordon
>> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2022 10:57 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Microsoft sound scape being discontinued
>>
>> I just got an update and in the release notes it said that it's being
>> discontinued in January but that if you already have it installed on your
>> phone you can use it through June. I hope that seeing AI doesn't go to.
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Re: First thoughts on Apple Watch series 8 and iPhone 14

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

The dynamic island will be interesting to play with. I met up with a
friend the other day and in the process of that there was a point
where I was messaging them on Whatsapp whilst waiting for an Uber to
arrive, but I kept on having to switch between the 2 apps to check the
progress of the driver. Having Whatsapp on the main screen but then
being able to just slide my finger up to the island to get an at a
glance type overview of the Uber will be really useful. Same for
things like playback controls if I'm listening to music / a podcast
while I'm doing something else on the phone. Interesting, but not
interesting enough to make a purchase though, especially given my new
SE2022.

On 9/8/22, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> The article I read said the chime feature was only available on the iPhone
> 14 Pro models since it is part of the A16 chip.
>
> Alan Lemly
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 8, 2022, at 12:19 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>> It is my understanding that the chime is a new accessibility option which
>> all iPhone 14 models have.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> CHELA Robles
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 9:01 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: First thoughts on Apple Watch series 8 and iPhone 14
>>
>> I also read the pro models will have a chime at start up. I will forward
>> the email I got.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 7, 2022, at 8:35 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>>>
>>> The satellite alert was the most compelling part of the presentation.
>>> An article in Mac Rumors says the service will not be available until
>>> November. It will also not work above 62 degrees latitude, which is
>>> the far northern parts of Canada and Alaska.
>>>
>>> I believe Apple is offering it free because it wants to be the first
>>> phone with satellite communication. It has not figured out how to
>>> price the service and who should provide it long term so Apple is
>>> giving itself two years to figure all of this out.
>>>
>>> Personally, I live in a big city and use Verizon as my network, which
>>> has the greatest amount of coverage of any cell phone network in
>>> America. I would rarely if ever need the service. I love my 13 Mini
>>> and will wait until at least for the USB-C iPhones.
>>>
>>> Kelly
>>>
>>>
> On 9/7/22, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
 The Apple Watch 8 has some good new features with crash detection and
 the build-in body temperature sensor, but from what they said during
 the event that temperature sensor seems to be exclusively used for
 cycle tracking and may help women who are wanting to get pregnant,
 they did not say you could simply use it to measure your body
 temperature as you can with a Withings Thermo or other body
 temperature thermometer to see if you have a fever or not.
 T
 He Apple Watch 8 Ultra sounds pretty cool and if I did more scuba
 diving than I currently do once every couple of years when I go to
 the Philippines I might be tempted to see how accessible it is as a
 dive computer; but it's definitely an impressive watch.

 The iPhone 14 has the same A15 chip as the iPhone 13 although they
 didn't say it in so many words; I think that is the first time Apple
 released a new iPhone and they kept using the same chip as in the one
 from the year before.
 The iPhone 14 Pro gets the latest A16 chip which makes the new camera
 system and always-on display possible.
 I thought it was nice to see that Apple included the new emergency
 SOS via satellite on both phones and I was definitely surprised when
 they said it was going to be free for the next 2 years. This would
 indicate, however, that ultimately it will be  a paid service and of
 course let's not forget that it is only available for the United States
 and Canada at that point.
 For once Canada is getting something at launch which was not always
 the case (Apple New, Apple Pay and other features are examples where
 it took a while for Canada to get it).
 Crash detection is also part of all iPhone 14 models so now if you
 are driving with somebody and you have a crash (let's hope it will
 never happen) you may get help quicker.
 As expected the Mini is gone and replaced with the 6.7 inch iPhone 14
 Plus.
 Storage still tops out at 1 Tb so no 2 Tb phone as was rumoured.
 Also, in the United States (not sure about Canada) all iPhone 14
 models will now no longer have a SIM tray, it is e-SIM only from now
 on.

 Apart from that this is pretty much it. Anybody who has an iPhone 13
 or 13 Pro has in my opinion very little reason to upgrade unless you
 spend considerable time out of cell service and may want the added
 peace of mind the emergency SOS via satellite offers; you can also
 share your location via Find My by satellite, but I haven't quite
 figured out if you can 

Re: [tech-vi Announce List] iPhone 14 Pro Models Will Have a New Chime During Startup

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

It's going to be interesting to see at what point exactly the sound is
played. Obviously the longer the delay between power on and sound the
less useful it becomes. Definitely some impressive engineering going
on if they got it to a point where iBoot was able to handle audio. In
an ideal world it would also sound if you had a corrupt iOS install.

Obviously not something to go out and buy a Pro for on its own, but
you'd imagine that the feature will trickle down to less expensive
models over the years.

On 9/8/22, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> The article only said iPhone 14 pro models with the A16 chip.  Darn.
> This is a feature I've wanted for sometime. Now I have something to
> look forward to when I get a new iPhone.  If only I'd waited for the
> iPhone 14 pro max.
>
> On 9/8/22, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> If the regular iPhone 14 and 14 Plus have the sound it can't be part of
>> the
>> A16 chip because they only have the A15, same as the iPhone 13/13 Mini
>> and
>> 13 Pro/Pro Max.
>> Only the iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max is getting the A16 chip.
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> CHELA
>> Robles
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 9:02 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Fwd: [tech-vi Announce List] iPhone 14 Pro Models Will Have a
>> New
>> Chime During Startup
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> From: David Goldfield
>> mailto:david.goldfi...@outlook.com>>
>> Date: September 7, 2022 at 8:52:13 PM PDT
>> To: Tech-VI Announcement List
>> mailto:tech...@groups.io>>
>> Subject: [tech-vi Announce List] iPhone 14 Pro Models Will Have a New
>> Chime
>> During Startup
>> Reply-To: tech...@groups.io
>> 
>> From the Tech-VI list owner:
>> The iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max models will have the ability to play a
>> chime
>> during the boot process. This has been an option which many blind iPhone
>> users have wanted for years. Rather than posting the entire article I am
>> pasting just the relevant section below. If you go to the original source
>> link you can hear what the new chime sounds like. Please note that on my
>> PC
>> the sound was a bit louder than expected. Those using headphones, earbuds
>> or
>> who have sensitivity to loud sounds should be aware of this.
>>
>> Original
>> Source
>>
>>
>> Boot chime for iPhone 14 Pro
>>
>> Another new feature coming to iPhone 14 Pro models is a boot chime. More
>> specifically, users will have the option to make the iPhone play a sound
>> every time the device is turned on or off as part of the iOS
>> accessibility
>> features.
>>
>> Since the startup sound is played during the boot process, the chime is
>> part
>> of the bootrom of the new A16 chip – which is probably why this option is
>> not available for other iPhone models.
>>
>>
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Re: reset iPad to factory settings

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

That's expected behaviour at this point; the holding down the home and
lock button step put it into a special mode (recovery mode) which lets
your laptop see it and ultimately lets you restore it, but
unfortunately VoiceOver isn't supported in recovery mode.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 6/29/22, Donald Raikes  wrote:
> I opened iTunes and plugged the iPad into my laptop and iTunes
> immediately asked me if I wanted to restore the iPad.  So the download
> is still running I have about 3.20gb downloaded so far so it is a slow
> download, but it seems to be working.
>
> On 6/28/22, Donald Raikes  wrote:
>> The iPad doesn't look like it is even turning on.
>> I can't get voiceover to work at all on the iPad.
>> That being said, I can try to follow the steps assuming the iPad is on
>> and see what happens.
>>
>> On 6/28/22, Ben Mustill-Rose  wrote:
>>> Just start the entire process again. It will be fine.
>>>
>>> On 6/29/22, Donald Raikes  wrote:
>>>> Oh I do remember there was a network issue just before iTunes said it
>>>> couldn't finish thet download.
>>>>
>>>> On 6/28/22, Donald Raikes  wrote:
>>>>> For some reason ITunes failed during the download process and now the
>>>>> iPad won't power back on.  Hopefully it hasn't erased everything fropm
>>>>> the iPad and left it in an unusable state.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/28/22, Ben Mustill-Rose  wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes now that it's started downloading you should be able to leave it
>>>>>> to do its thing. There's a very slight chance that if the file takes
>>>>>> overly long to download the iPad will disconnect, but this is
>>>>>> incredibly rare and if it happens you can just redo the process.
>>>>>> iTunes won't delete the file so the second time round it will just
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> the file it's already downloaded.
>>>>>> The download is probably going to be around 5.5GB to give you an
>>>>>> idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Ben.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/28/22, Donald Raikes  wrote:
>>>>>>> Sieghard,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I work from home and the closest "office" where the IT guys could
>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>> on this is at least 900 miles away, so that isn't an option :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ben's process seems to be working it is just taking a long time and
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> even shut off my vpn to help with the download speed.  I may just
>>>>>>> stop
>>>>>>> the process until this evening when I can just let it run.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/28/22, Donald Raikes  wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ben,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the detailed instructions.  ITunes has been downloading
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> update for the last 15 minutes or so.  I assume ITunes will let me
>>>>>>>> know when it is done.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/28/22, Ben Mustill-Rose  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. Make sure the iPad is on then connect the iPad to a computer
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> iTunes open.
>>>>>>>>> 2. Hold down the home and lock buttons for 12 seconds.
>>>>>>>>> 3. Release the lock button but continue to hold down the home
>>>>>>>>> button.
>>>>>>>>> 4. After some time (should be under a minute) iTunes should see
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> iPad. When this happens it's a pretty simple case of just
>>>>>>>>> following
>>>>>>>>> the prompts. It won't speak while it's restoring but the
>>>>>>>>> restoration
>>>>>>>>> is fully automated, so by the time you'll need to do something
>>>>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>>>>> be able to tripple click home to get VoiceOver running again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If this doesn't work you've probably held down t

Re: reset iPad to factory settings

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Just start the entire process again. It will be fine.

On 6/29/22, Donald Raikes  wrote:
> Oh I do remember there was a network issue just before iTunes said it
> couldn't finish thet download.
>
> On 6/28/22, Donald Raikes  wrote:
>> For some reason ITunes failed during the download process and now the
>> iPad won't power back on.  Hopefully it hasn't erased everything fropm
>> the iPad and left it in an unusable state.
>>
>> On 6/28/22, Ben Mustill-Rose  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Yes now that it's started downloading you should be able to leave it
>>> to do its thing. There's a very slight chance that if the file takes
>>> overly long to download the iPad will disconnect, but this is
>>> incredibly rare and if it happens you can just redo the process.
>>> iTunes won't delete the file so the second time round it will just use
>>> the file it's already downloaded.
>>> The download is probably going to be around 5.5GB to give you an idea.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ben.
>>>
>>> On 6/28/22, Donald Raikes  wrote:
>>>> Sieghard,
>>>>
>>>> I work from home and the closest "office" where the IT guys could work
>>>> on this is at least 900 miles away, so that isn't an option :)
>>>>
>>>> Ben's process seems to be working it is just taking a long time and I
>>>> even shut off my vpn to help with the download speed.  I may just stop
>>>> the process until this evening when I can just let it run.
>>>>
>>>> On 6/28/22, Donald Raikes  wrote:
>>>>> Ben,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the detailed instructions.  ITunes has been downloading the
>>>>> update for the last 15 minutes or so.  I assume ITunes will let me
>>>>> know when it is done.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/28/22, Ben Mustill-Rose  wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Make sure the iPad is on then connect the iPad to a computer with
>>>>>> iTunes open.
>>>>>> 2. Hold down the home and lock buttons for 12 seconds.
>>>>>> 3. Release the lock button but continue to hold down the home button.
>>>>>> 4. After some time (should be under a minute) iTunes should see the
>>>>>> iPad. When this happens it's a pretty simple case of just following
>>>>>> the prompts. It won't speak while it's restoring but the restoration
>>>>>> is fully automated, so by the time you'll need to do something you'll
>>>>>> be able to tripple click home to get VoiceOver running again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If this doesn't work you've probably held down the lock button for
>>>>>> too
>>>>>> long in step 2. This happens to me every now and then and I'm always
>>>>>> surprised as to how quick 12 seconds actually is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Ben.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/28/22, Donald Raikes  wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>> I have an Ipad 7 which I got through work. I don't use it often, and
>>>>>>> recently I was notified that I needed to update some software on the
>>>>>>> Ipad to remain compliant with work policies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I tried to unlock the Ipad using the passcode I remembered, I
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> told thte passcode was incorrect and after trying various
>>>>>>> combinations
>>>>>>> I am now completely locked out of the Ipad.  When I power it up it
>>>>>>> says "Ipad disabled" "Connect to ITunes".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I connect the Ipad to my windows laptop which has the latest
>>>>>>> version of ITunes on it, ITunes doesn't even recognize that it has
>>>>>>> been plugged in.
>>>>>>> I have read that I can turn off the Ipad and then press the top
>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>> for a while and the Ipad will go into recovery mode and ITunes will
>>>>>>> aske me if I want to reset the device, but after holding in the top
>>>>>>> button for about 15 seconds the Ipad emits a small beep which I
>>>>>>> assume
>>>>>>> is telling me that it is in recovery mode, but ITunes still doe

Re: reset iPad to factory settings

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

Yes now that it's started downloading you should be able to leave it
to do its thing. There's a very slight chance that if the file takes
overly long to download the iPad will disconnect, but this is
incredibly rare and if it happens you can just redo the process.
iTunes won't delete the file so the second time round it will just use
the file it's already downloaded.
The download is probably going to be around 5.5GB to give you an idea.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 6/28/22, Donald Raikes  wrote:
> Sieghard,
>
> I work from home and the closest "office" where the IT guys could work
> on this is at least 900 miles away, so that isn't an option :)
>
> Ben's process seems to be working it is just taking a long time and I
> even shut off my vpn to help with the download speed.  I may just stop
> the process until this evening when I can just let it run.
>
> On 6/28/22, Donald Raikes  wrote:
>> Ben,
>>
>> Thanks for the detailed instructions.  ITunes has been downloading the
>> update for the last 15 minutes or so.  I assume ITunes will let me
>> know when it is done.
>>
>> On 6/28/22, Ben Mustill-Rose  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> 1. Make sure the iPad is on then connect the iPad to a computer with
>>> iTunes open.
>>> 2. Hold down the home and lock buttons for 12 seconds.
>>> 3. Release the lock button but continue to hold down the home button.
>>> 4. After some time (should be under a minute) iTunes should see the
>>> iPad. When this happens it's a pretty simple case of just following
>>> the prompts. It won't speak while it's restoring but the restoration
>>> is fully automated, so by the time you'll need to do something you'll
>>> be able to tripple click home to get VoiceOver running again.
>>>
>>> If this doesn't work you've probably held down the lock button for too
>>> long in step 2. This happens to me every now and then and I'm always
>>> surprised as to how quick 12 seconds actually is.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ben.
>>>
>>> On 6/28/22, Donald Raikes  wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I have an Ipad 7 which I got through work. I don't use it often, and
>>>> recently I was notified that I needed to update some software on the
>>>> Ipad to remain compliant with work policies.
>>>>
>>>> When I tried to unlock the Ipad using the passcode I remembered, I was
>>>> told thte passcode was incorrect and after trying various combinations
>>>> I am now completely locked out of the Ipad.  When I power it up it
>>>> says "Ipad disabled" "Connect to ITunes".
>>>>
>>>> When I connect the Ipad to my windows laptop which has the latest
>>>> version of ITunes on it, ITunes doesn't even recognize that it has
>>>> been plugged in.
>>>> I have read that I can turn off the Ipad and then press the top button
>>>> for a while and the Ipad will go into recovery mode and ITunes will
>>>> aske me if I want to reset the device, but after holding in the top
>>>> button for about 15 seconds the Ipad emits a small beep which I assume
>>>> is telling me that it is in recovery mode, but ITunes still doesn't
>>>> seem to see the Ipad at all.
>>>>
>>>> When I go into account settings in ITunes and click on the devices
>>>> link I see the IPad listed along with my IPhone, so I know at some
>>>> point I connected the IPad to my ICloud account even thought when I
>>>> log into ICloud I don't see the device.
>>>>
>>>> Are there any suggestions on how else I can either just reset the
>>>> passcode or reset the IPad to factory settings so I can reinstall the
>>>> software for work?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Donald Raikes, CPACC
>>>> Accessibility Specialist
>>>> IAAP Certified Professional in Accessibility Core
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Re: reset iPad to factory settings

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

1. Make sure the iPad is on then connect the iPad to a computer with
iTunes open.
2. Hold down the home and lock buttons for 12 seconds.
3. Release the lock button but continue to hold down the home button.
4. After some time (should be under a minute) iTunes should see the
iPad. When this happens it's a pretty simple case of just following
the prompts. It won't speak while it's restoring but the restoration
is fully automated, so by the time you'll need to do something you'll
be able to tripple click home to get VoiceOver running again.

If this doesn't work you've probably held down the lock button for too
long in step 2. This happens to me every now and then and I'm always
surprised as to how quick 12 seconds actually is.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 6/28/22, Donald Raikes  wrote:
> Hello,
> I have an Ipad 7 which I got through work. I don't use it often, and
> recently I was notified that I needed to update some software on the
> Ipad to remain compliant with work policies.
>
> When I tried to unlock the Ipad using the passcode I remembered, I was
> told thte passcode was incorrect and after trying various combinations
> I am now completely locked out of the Ipad.  When I power it up it
> says "Ipad disabled" "Connect to ITunes".
>
> When I connect the Ipad to my windows laptop which has the latest
> version of ITunes on it, ITunes doesn't even recognize that it has
> been plugged in.
> I have read that I can turn off the Ipad and then press the top button
> for a while and the Ipad will go into recovery mode and ITunes will
> aske me if I want to reset the device, but after holding in the top
> button for about 15 seconds the Ipad emits a small beep which I assume
> is telling me that it is in recovery mode, but ITunes still doesn't
> seem to see the Ipad at all.
>
> When I go into account settings in ITunes and click on the devices
> link I see the IPad listed along with my IPhone, so I know at some
> point I connected the IPad to my ICloud account even thought when I
> log into ICloud I don't see the device.
>
> Are there any suggestions on how else I can either just reset the
> passcode or reset the IPad to factory settings so I can reinstall the
> software for work?
>
> --
>
> Sincerely,
> Donald Raikes, CPACC
> Accessibility Specialist
> IAAP Certified Professional in Accessibility Core
> 
> competencies
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A great gift idea for blind iDevice enthusiasts

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi all,

I hope the moderator won't mind me drawing the groups attention to a
really quirky iDevice related gift that I purchased for myself as a
bit of a late Christmas present. To be clear, I have absolutely no
relationship with the company at all - I'm only posting about it
because I think it would be a great gift idea, particularly for blind
people.

Grid Studio are a company that create framed art pieces out of old
iPhones and some other devices. Their creations are actually great
examples of how art can still be accessible to those of us with no
useful vision as by their very nature they're incredibly tactile.
Additionally, since the company dismantle the phones before framing
them, they end up turning into far more interesting pieces to feel
than you'd get if you just stuck an old, unmodified iPhone in a frame.
I've purchased their framed 4S ad 6 and honestly couldn't be happier.
https://www.gridstudio.cc

A few things to bear in mind:

The frames ship from China. It's not a speedy service in relation to
what we're used to today by any stretch of the imagination so if you
need one quickly, I'd suggest you look elsewhere. I ordered mine on
the 8th of February and they arrived in the UK on the 28th.
By default a plastic board is installed in the frame to protect the
components, but if you leave it installed you won't be able to feel
any of them. It is however very easy to remove and the frame can be
reassembled without it installed without issue.
Each component is labelled in print. With a bit of creative thinking
and potentially some help from someone with some useful vision, there
should be enough space surrounding the components for braille labels
to be added if you wish.
The website's a little tricky to use. I was able to complete my order
using NVDA and Firefox however.

I should probably also point out that their frames aren't what most
people would class as cheap but this didn't really bother me. I can't
remember the last time I purchased a piece of art for myself (I'm not
sure I ever have), but what ultimately pushed me over the edge was
that they're something that I'll actually be able to get some
enjoyment out of, instead of just making my flat more interesting for
sighted guests.

I hope someone found this useful.

Cheers,
Ben.

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Re: Groups.IO

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

It's this one:
https://testflight.apple.com/join/3rOzgkjA

Cheers,
Ben.

On 1/26/21, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> I don’t think it’s been released yet. I know a while back it was in beta,
> but I’m not sure if it still is.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cook,
> Steve
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 11:23 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Groups.IO
>
> Hi All,
>
> I thought that Groups.IO had an app to manage groups. Does anyone know which
> one it is in the app store? I looked it up and their were several.
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
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Re: Experience with Bluetooth enabled web browsers?

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Download it and try to visit a normal website using it?

On 1/9/21, Mary Otten  wrote:
> Stupid question. How do I check to see if the browser is accessible if I
> have nothing to check it with? I mean I can open it I guess and see ifvoice
> overseas anything at all. But beyond that, I’m not sure.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 9, 2021, at 4:01 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Ok I understand a bit better now.
>> Before you purchase the device you should make sure that one of the
>> browsers you mentioned in your first message is accessible.
>> Unfortunately, once you've confirmed this is the case you'll
>> essentially have no other option than to buy the vape and see what
>> happens.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ben.
>>
>>> On 1/9/21, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> Hi Ben,
>>> Well, I’m trying to connect with a Bluetooth device which is actually a
>>> vaping device if you’re familiar with that. And what you can do is
>>> control a
>>> lot of settings on the device if you get connected. I think something or
>>> other from the website might be written in JavaScript. And I have no idea
>>> if
>>> that’s a showstopper for voiceover. I don’t actually have the device,
>>> since
>>> I don’t particularly want to buy it and less it will work excessively.
>>> That’s why I was trying to find out as much as I could about the app and
>>> how
>>> it might work or not. The seller of the device is naturally clueless
>>> about
>>> Accessibility.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 4:52 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> It would be useful to know what your trying to do. Any browser that
>>>> supports the web-BLE standard will be able to connect with BLE devices
>>>> but this on its own will mean very little from a user point of view -
>>>> all it means is that they have the capability to let developers write
>>>> software that runs within the browser to connect to BLE devices.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Ben.
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/8/21, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>>> There are two Bluetooth BLE web browsers that I know of in the App
>>>>> Store.
>>>>> They enable you to connect with Bluetooth devices using them with your
>>>>> iPhone. One is called blue phi BLUEFY and the other is called web BLE
>>>>> all
>>>>> one word. Has anybody had any experience with either of these with
>>>>> regard
>>>>> to
>>>>> Accessibility.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Experience with Bluetooth enabled web browsers?

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

Ok I understand a bit better now.
Before you purchase the device you should make sure that one of the
browsers you mentioned in your first message is accessible.
Unfortunately, once you've confirmed this is the case you'll
essentially have no other option than to buy the vape and see what
happens.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 1/9/21, Mary Otten  wrote:
> Hi Ben,
> Well, I’m trying to connect with a Bluetooth device which is actually a
> vaping device if you’re familiar with that. And what you can do is control a
> lot of settings on the device if you get connected. I think something or
> other from the website might be written in JavaScript. And I have no idea if
> that’s a showstopper for voiceover. I don’t actually have the device, since
> I don’t particularly want to buy it and less it will work excessively.
> That’s why I was trying to find out as much as I could about the app and how
> it might work or not. The seller of the device is naturally clueless about
> Accessibility.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 4:52 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> It would be useful to know what your trying to do. Any browser that
>> supports the web-BLE standard will be able to connect with BLE devices
>> but this on its own will mean very little from a user point of view -
>> all it means is that they have the capability to let developers write
>> software that runs within the browser to connect to BLE devices.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ben.
>>
>>> On 1/8/21, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> There are two Bluetooth BLE web browsers that I know of in the App
>>> Store.
>>> They enable you to connect with Bluetooth devices using them with your
>>> iPhone. One is called blue phi BLUEFY and the other is called web BLE
>>> all
>>> one word. Has anybody had any experience with either of these with regard
>>> to
>>> Accessibility.
>>>
>>>
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Re: Experience with Bluetooth enabled web browsers?

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Hi,

It would be useful to know what your trying to do. Any browser that
supports the web-BLE standard will be able to connect with BLE devices
but this on its own will mean very little from a user point of view -
all it means is that they have the capability to let developers write
software that runs within the browser to connect to BLE devices.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 1/8/21, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> They enable you to connect with Bluetooth devices using them with your
> iPhone. One is called blue phi BLUEFY and the other is called web BLE all
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Re: Ipad or fire tablet pros and cons of each

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi

They're very capable devices IMO. I find VoiceOver to be more polished
than VoiceView but your typical iPad's 8 times the price and it's
definitely not 8 times as good.
Try to go for the add free version if possible which in the UK is only
£10 extra.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 8/3/20, Kathy Brandt  wrote:
> she won’t be able to dictate emails.
>
>> On Aug 3, 2020, at 8:58 AM, Richard Turner 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I do not have personal experience with the Fire tablet, but I have heard
>> very good things about them.  Other than they run on Android, which is not
>> my favorite but is better than it used to be and if they cannot save up
>> for an iPad, then I'd suggest they read many reviews and make sure it has
>> the features they want.
>> I know they make several sizes, they have a kids edition, standard and
>> plus.
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
>> Edward Herbert
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jen
>> .
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>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Ipad or fire tablet pros and cons of each
>>
>> Hi,
>> I am asking for a friend with a visually impaired daughter who cannot
>> afford an iPad at the moment and was considering perhaps a fire tablet.
>> Any thoughts.  Are there many accessible apps and how is voiceover or
>> whatever the screen reading software is for them.
>> Thanks in advance for any help.
>> Jen
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Re: Is it possible to set up apple tv without sighted help?

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

You may however need sighted help in switching the input on your TV to
the correct HDMI port. In the nicest way possible if you're not sure
what plugs in what you might be better off enlisting some help. Good
luck.

On 7/8/20, llump...@austin.rr.com  wrote:
> It is very much doable. Mystic access has an excellent tutorial on the apple
> tv 4. I think it might be worth the purchase to have it. It describes in
> great detail the setting up of the apple tv 4.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
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> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 10:51 AM
> To: viphone 
> Subject: Is it possible to set up apple tv without sighted help?
>
> Hi,
>
> I've been googling and can't find the answer to my question, so figured
> someone here would be able to help.
>
> I just got a new apple tv and I'm wondering if I need sighted help to set it
> up. Or more specifically,what are the steps to get the apple tv talking so I
> can set it up independently?
>
> If it matters, I have the newest generation and, to be honest, I can't even
> figure out where the cords plug into the device. Lol! So any help will be
> appreciated.
>
> Kim
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Re: Braille characters on a Braille display

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi

Yep it's Unicode. It speaks the characters as in the dot numbers but
it doesn't Braille anything at all. It's a shame that you can't have
Braille displayed visually whilst getting it displayed on a display at
the same time.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 6/23/20, Devin Prater  wrote:
> That is Unicode Braille. I don’t think Voiceover prints those, but I’ll test
> tomorrow with my iPhone.
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>> On Jun 22, 2020, at 4:50 PM, Richard Turner 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Using my computer, there was no hello, until you said after that line.
>> So, if those are graphic characters, no.
>> VoiceOver translates printed characters into braille.
>> If they are an image, no.
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
>> Edward Herbert
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
>> Ben Mustill-Rose
>> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 2:18 PM
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>> Subject: Braille characters on a Braille display
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Does anyone know if it's possible for Voiceover to output Braille
>> characters to a Braille display? Consider this next line as an
>> example:
>> ⠓⠑⠇⠇⠕
>> That's hello in Braille. For me,  Voiceover speaks the Braille dot numbers
>> but if I have a Braille display connected nothing gets Brailled. Does
>> anyone know any way of getting Braille characters to show up on a
>> display?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ben.
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Braille characters on a Braille display

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi all

Does anyone know if it's possible for Voiceover to output Braille
characters to a Braille display? Consider this next line as an
example:
⠓⠑⠇⠇⠕
That's hello in Braille. For me,  Voiceover speaks the Braille dot
numbers but if I have a Braille display connected nothing gets
Brailled. Does anyone know any way of getting Braille characters to
show up on a display?

Cheers,
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Re: ram, what is it

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi

In basic terms the amount of RAM you have dictates how many things you
can do at once. As you start to do more and more things, or if the
thing you're doing is very complex you'll find that things in the
background stop working and or your device starts to slow down.

Think of it in the same way you would do the size of your desk: a big
desk will let you work on lots of things at once or a few more complex
tasks, a smaller one obviously allowing you to do less. Eventually, if
you try to do too many things at once or the thing you're working on
is really complicated, you'll find that you don't have enough space on
your desk so might have to start using a filing cabinet as extra
storage. It's not that you're not able to complete the task it's just
that it's going to take you longer to do it than it would do if you'd
purchased a larger desk.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 4/16/20, Paul and Paula Jordan  wrote:
> Hi all.  Just  a curiosity question.  There has been some discussion about
> how many gig of ram a particular phone has.  What difference does it make
> whether you have 2 or 3 gig of ram.  I understand that this is different
> than the gig of storage, but just wondering why we need so much.  Sorry for
> my ignorance.  As always, thanks for all the good information you all
> provide.
>
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Re: IPhone without camera

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

One way of doing this would be to buy an iPhone, take it to a repair
shop and simply instruct them to remove the cameras. Remember of
course that you'd loos access to functionality such as Face ID though.

On 2/20/20, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> LOL, Lenron!
>
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IPhone without camera
>
> Heres a thought you could just get a phone and not use the camera.
>
> On 2/20/20, 'RobH.' via VIPhone  wrote:
>> The blind-shell classic can be put in a simple limited mode which does
>> eliminate camera access.
>> But it remains talking and fully accessible.
>>
>> Finding a phone literally without a camera would be a tall call.
>>
>> RobH.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 12:17 AM
>> Subject: IPhone without camera
>>
>>
>> Good evening,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am reaching out to all  you wonderful people on this list to ask if
>> there are any iPhones that can be purchased without cameras?  If not
>> are there any cell phone without cameras and they can be simple or
>> feature phones they do not have to be a smart phone?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you all in advance!
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
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Re: Uber Eats

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Must be something that varies from country to country then. Definitely
basket for me. Nice touch.

On 11/3/19, Vivian Conger  wrote:
> Actually when I used Uber Eats last night, the word was cart instead of
> basket.
>
> Vivian and Sallie
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>
> Double tap the dish you want, flick through the options you'll be presented
> with that let you customize it then at the end you'll find an add to basket
> button. Once you're done go back to the menu of the place and feel around
> the bottom left of the screen to find the view basket button. Double tap it
> and follow the instructions to checkout.
>
> On 11/3/19, Andrew Roberts  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone ever used the Uber Eats app for ordering food?  I
>> downloaded the app yesterday and when browsing the menu of my chosen
>> restaurant, I am unable to work out how to add my chosen dishes to my
>> cart and then place my order.  Can anyone help me please?
>>
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Re: Uber Eats

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Double tap the dish you want, flick through the options you'll be
presented with that let you customize it then at the end you'll find
an add to basket button. Once you're done go back to the menu of the
place and feel around the bottom left of the screen to find the view
basket button. Double tap it and follow the instructions to checkout.

On 11/3/19, Andrew Roberts  wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Has anyone ever used the Uber Eats app for ordering food?  I downloaded the
> app yesterday and when browsing the menu of my chosen restaurant, I am
> unable to work out how to add my chosen dishes to my cart and then place my
> order.  Can anyone help me please?
>
>
>
> Many thanks,
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>
>
> Andrew
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Re: Reparing a Screen

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What phone is it?

On 7/13/19, Holly Jensen  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I’m sad to say that I had a bit of an accident the other day, and my screen
> was cracked. i have Apple Care, but the fellow i spoke with said it doesn’t
> cover a cracked screen due to accidental damage. I have to take it in to see
> if it can be repaired, and how much it would cost. I wondered if any of you
> could tell me whether you have had a similar experience, and how much it
> cost to get it repaired? It’s the corner of the screen, so I rather wonder
> if it is even worth doing. Thanks so much.
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Re: Adding A New WIFI Network

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There's an "other" option after the list of available networks. That's
the one you want.

On 6/18/19, Dave Mitchel  wrote:
> I’ll take the knowledge. good luck on it.
> Thanks
> Dave
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> From: J.Cyr
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> I think your way is generally easier, lets just say doing this without an
> audience will make me happier.  And if I find out how to do it off list I'll
> be happy to share the details!
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Re: apple tv

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What questions does she have about the remote?

On 3/14/19, Robert Wright  wrote:
> She just got it. She is setting it up with voiceover. I know she was
> choosing programs as of yesterday. I think her questions have to deal with
> the remote.
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> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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> Hi
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> It turns on when power is applied to it. Is her TV set to the correct
> input? Has she used it before - E.G. will VoiceOver be on?
>
> Cheers,
> Ben.
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Re: apple tv

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi

It turns on when power is applied to it. Is her TV set to the correct
input? Has she used it before - E.G. will VoiceOver be on?

Cheers,
Ben.

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Re: Trello and other projec management tools?

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I use Trello frequently at work. iOS app works really well but you'll
want to avoid the web UI where possible.

On 1/18/19, Shermeen Khan  wrote:
> Hello everyone, and happy Friday!
>
> I'm just wondering if anyone here has had success using the Trello
> app, or can suggest other project management tools that are
> accessible, either on the IPhone or with jaws, although I of course
> don't intend to go off-topic. My boss is wanting to explore options
> for our team, so I thought I'd reach out to see if any of you have had
> success with something like this.
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Re: ipad to tv.

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

What app are you using to watch the programmes and what brand & model
is your TV?

On 12/31/18, Billy Inglis  wrote:
> hi guys, just gotten an appleipad and was wondering if its possible to
> send recordings from the ipad to my smart television?.
> I like to follow my favourite soccer team on the ipad, but would love to
> watch on the larger tv screen.
> Is it possible to do such a thing please?.
> Any help or advice would be so helpful.
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Re: Strange thing happened with iPad.

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Sometimes opening the app switcher can trigger the shortcut - E.G. if
a user unknowingly presses home 3 times instead of twice. I've found
this gets more common as the device ages & dirt starts to build up
around the home button.

On 12/14/18, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> My husband just loves his iPad and was using it, then left
> the apartment to bring me home from cards.
>
> At home, I was filling a new Wallet, and I thought I was
> hearing Voice Over. My phone was in my pocket though.
> Finally, he asked me if I knew how to get it off. He knows I
> have the Short Cut on my phone, also he knew we could ask
> Siri, but maybe he didn't think of that right off. So I
> directed him to settings, etc., until he got to it and
> turned it off. Then all was well. We have no idea what made
> it happen.
>
> He wonders if that ever happened to a sighted person who
> might have ended up just throwing the device away. I said I
> would think they'd contact Apple or go by a phone or Apple
> store to get help.
>
> If you pray, don't worry; if you worry, don't pray,
>
> Carolyn
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Re: need help getting aple tv up and running

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi

You'll need to get someone sighted to switch the inputs for you.
Generally speaking the input button opens a menu as opposed to
switching to an input so as per your message just pressing the input
button won't have changed anything on your TV.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 11/10/18, Jed Barton  wrote:
> Hey guys,
>
> OK, i need your help.  I think i'm doing everything right.  I got this
> apple tv a few months ago and am just now hooking it up.  I had a room
> all ripped apart, and finally got the tv setup  so i plugged in the
> apple tv into the actual tv, and it didn't switch inputs on me.  so i
> hit the input button.  Of course i can't see the screen of the tv so i
> don't know if it switched.  I'm hitting the top part of the remote 3
> times to activate voice-over, but nothing is coming up.  Any ideas
> guys?
> I don't even know what kind of tv this is, but it's a flat screen, i'm
> sure i can have someone look at it.
> I plugged the power into the apple TV, and the HDMI cable.  Any other
> ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Jed
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Re: itvhub

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

I understand this not to be possible on iOS unfortunately.

On 9/10/18, 'Linda Gaitskell' via VIPhone  wrote:
> Hi All
>
> using the itv hub on my iphone se and watching live tb.  Does anyone
> know how to get the audio discription please.
>
> Thanks
> Linda
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Re: WiFi ports

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

, May 6, 2018 1:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: WiFi ports
>
> i have heard that some routers have limits on how many wifi connections they
> can handle or assign details to, and we are failing to
> connect additional devices. Even domestic appliances are being fitted with
> wifi now for some reason.
>
> BobH.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ben Mustill-Rose" <b...@benmr.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: WiFi ports
>
>
> Why do you feel you need to do this Bob?
>
> On 5/6/18, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> For clarity:  do these switches accept wifi connections?  it is an excess
>> of
>> wireless devices that is exceeding router capacity.
>>
>> Thanks, BobH.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <siegh...@live.ca>
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:20 PM
>> Subject: RE: WiFi ports
>>
>>
>> Do you mean you want to plug more devices into your router than it has
>> ports? If so just look for a 5-port or 8-port desktop switch
>> which all companies make, Linksys, D-Link, Netgear etc.
>> You use one of the ports of your router (most of them have 4 ports) and
>> plug
>> in the desktop switch and then you have those 5 or 8
>> ports available (depending on which one you buy). I have a Cisco 16-port
>> small business switch at my store which has 8 regular and 8
>> POE ports power over ethernet, those are ports used for example if you
>> have
>> Ip phones which need the network connection but also
>> require power). Often you can power POE devices with a separate adapter,
>> but
>> if you have POE ports on your router the CAD5E or CAD6
>> cable provides the power for the device as well as the wired connection
>> to
>> your network
>>
>> Here is one example:
>> NETGEAR 5-port Gigabit Desktop Switch in Metal Case - Essentials Edition
>> (GS305)
>> https://www.amazon.ca/NETGEAR-5-port-Gigabit-Desktop-Switch/dp/B00QR6XFHQ
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 11:24 AM
>> To: viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: WiFi ports
>>
>> Hi,  what solutions do people have when your router can no longer accept
>> any
>> more pods/pads/phones/etc?
>>
>> A device to hook to an rj45 port/socket would be good.
>>
>> Thoughts please?
>>
>> Tia, BobH.
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Re: WiFi ports

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi

Something's not right there. You're correct that some routers have a
limit but I'm as good as certain that that's not what's happening
here. Do you happen to know the model of your router? I'd also echo
the suggestion of a firmware update.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 5/7/18, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> No, not done that with routers.  Sure someone suggested 6 wifi devices was
> set as a limit with some providers,  but we have 8 wifi
> hand-helds amongst us alone.  Echo now up to 4,  not sure about security
> cameras since i DON'T DEAL WITH THEM.  It's not difficult
> to see how the modern household soon gets cluttered with this stuff and so
> does the bandwidth requirement.
>
> BobH.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <siegh...@live.ca>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 7:06 AM
> Subject: RE: WiFi ports
>
>
> How many devices are you trying to connect? I think there is a better chance
> something is wrong with your router, have you done
> firmware updates and rebooted it?
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 1:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: WiFi ports
>
> i have heard that some routers have limits on how many wifi connections they
> can handle or assign details to, and we are failing to
> connect additional devices. Even domestic appliances are being fitted with
> wifi now for some reason.
>
> BobH.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ben Mustill-Rose" <b...@benmr.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: WiFi ports
>
>
> Why do you feel you need to do this Bob?
>
> On 5/6/18, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> For clarity:  do these switches accept wifi connections?  it is an excess
>> of
>> wireless devices that is exceeding router capacity.
>>
>> Thanks, BobH.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <siegh...@live.ca>
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:20 PM
>> Subject: RE: WiFi ports
>>
>>
>> Do you mean you want to plug more devices into your router than it has
>> ports? If so just look for a 5-port or 8-port desktop switch
>> which all companies make, Linksys, D-Link, Netgear etc.
>> You use one of the ports of your router (most of them have 4 ports) and
>> plug
>> in the desktop switch and then you have those 5 or 8
>> ports available (depending on which one you buy). I have a Cisco 16-port
>> small business switch at my store which has 8 regular and 8
>> POE ports power over ethernet, those are ports used for example if you
>> have
>> Ip phones which need the network connection but also
>> require power). Often you can power POE devices with a separate adapter,
>> but
>> if you have POE ports on your router the CAD5E or CAD6
>> cable provides the power for the device as well as the wired connection
>> to
>> your network
>>
>> Here is one example:
>> NETGEAR 5-port Gigabit Desktop Switch in Metal Case - Essentials Edition
>> (GS305)
>> https://www.amazon.ca/NETGEAR-5-port-Gigabit-Desktop-Switch/dp/B00QR6XFHQ
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 11:24 AM
>> To: viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: WiFi ports
>>
>> Hi,  what solutions do people have when your router can no longer accept
>> any
>> more pods/pads/phones/etc?
>>
>> A device to hook to an rj45 port/socket would be good.
>>
>> Thoughts please?
>>
>> Tia, BobH.
>>
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Re: WiFi ports

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Why do you feel you need to do this Bob?

On 5/6/18, 'RobH.' via VIPhone  wrote:
> For clarity:  do these switches accept wifi connections?  it is an excess of
> wireless devices that is exceeding router capacity.
>
> Thanks, BobH.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:20 PM
> Subject: RE: WiFi ports
>
>
> Do you mean you want to plug more devices into your router than it has
> ports? If so just look for a 5-port or 8-port desktop switch
> which all companies make, Linksys, D-Link, Netgear etc.
> You use one of the ports of your router (most of them have 4 ports) and plug
> in the desktop switch and then you have those 5 or 8
> ports available (depending on which one you buy). I have a Cisco 16-port
> small business switch at my store which has 8 regular and 8
> POE ports power over ethernet, those are ports used for example if you have
> Ip phones which need the network connection but also
> require power). Often you can power POE devices with a separate adapter, but
> if you have POE ports on your router the CAD5E or CAD6
> cable provides the power for the device as well as the wired connection to
> your network
>
> Here is one example:
> NETGEAR 5-port Gigabit Desktop Switch in Metal Case - Essentials Edition
> (GS305)
> https://www.amazon.ca/NETGEAR-5-port-Gigabit-Desktop-Switch/dp/B00QR6XFHQ
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone 
> Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 11:24 AM
> To: viphone 
> Subject: WiFi ports
>
> Hi,  what solutions do people have when your router can no longer accept any
> more pods/pads/phones/etc?
>
> A device to hook to an rj45 port/socket would be good.
>
> Thoughts please?
>
> Tia, BobH.
>
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Re: The new Youtube app on the Apple TV

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi

Unfortunately it still talks with VO off. I can't really just turn VO
off every time I want to use it either as the inbuilt screen reader
doesn't work with search. VoiceOver doesn't work with search either,
so for me at least the apps a complete writeoff for now.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 2/10/18, Jesper Holten <jesper.hol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi. Itr is truely anoying that is for sure. One thing I will try is to
> disable voiceover and then start the app, then turn Vo on again to see
> if it works. CUrrently my ssmall son has the controls so interrupting
> the watching is not such a good idea. Well, will try it in abit. Kind
> regards, Jesper.
>
> On 2/10/18, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Unfortunately, apples accessibility team will probably not do anything
>> about
>> this, since it is third-party apps. The best course of action is to
>> contact
>> google and or Verizon or Amazon.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 9, 2018, at 7:40 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> Isn't the Amazon Prime Video app doing the same thing? I find it curious
>>> why these companies/developers feel they need to make their apps
>>> accessible by including a self-voicing TTS when the Apple TV is
>>> perfectly
>>> accessible with Voiceover. I think we should let Apple Accessibility
>>> know
>>> about thios as well as of course Youtube. This would be like Microsoft
>>> starting Narrator on a Windows 10 PC in addition to Jaws with no option
>>> to
>>> turn it off.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Shai
>>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 1:11 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: The new Youtube app on the Apple TV
>>>
>>> Hello Ben,
>>> Yes, I also get the TTS in addition to VoiceOver with the new YouTube
>>> app
>>> on the  fourth generation Apple TV.  From my testing of the app, it does
>>> not seem like one can disable the TTS; it seems like a setting that gets
>>> enabled when it detects that VoiceOver is on. I did notice though that
>>> the
>>> parts of the app are accessible with the TTS at least and I could
>>> disable
>>> VoiceOver after getting into the app. I am not sure what occurs when a
>>> video starts playing if those controls are still accessible when
>>> VoiceOver
>>> is disabled.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 2/9/18, Ben Mustill-Rose <b...@benmr.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi all
>>>>
>>>> The Youtube app on my 4th gen Apple TV received an update a couple of
>>>> days ago; it got quite a bit of coverage online - the main takeaway
>>>> being that the old version was much better. One thing that wasn't
>>>> mentioned however was that they appear to have implemented their own
>>>> screen reader - E.G. if you open the app and navigate around, you'll
>>>> hear the apps TTS talking as well as VO.
>>>>
>>>> My questions:
>>>>
>>>> Can someone with a 4th gen or 4K Apple TV test this for me?
>>>> Does anyone know how to turn it off? It obviously isn't happening to
>>>> sighted people so it must be something that I've enabled but I can't
>>>> think what.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Ben.
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The new Youtube app on the Apple TV

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi all

The Youtube app on my 4th gen Apple TV received an update a couple of
days ago; it got quite a bit of coverage online - the main takeaway
being that the old version was much better. One thing that wasn't
mentioned however was that they appear to have implemented their own
screen reader - E.G. if you open the app and navigate around, you'll
hear the apps TTS talking as well as VO.

My questions:

Can someone with a 4th gen or 4K Apple TV test this for me?
Does anyone know how to turn it off? It obviously isn't happening to
sighted people so it must be something that I've enabled but I can't
think what.

Cheers,
Ben.

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Re: telly app on iPhone

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Yes Richard your incredibly pedantic messages are getting through loud & clear.

On 12/11/17, Janet Bell <ja...@jan25.plus.com> wrote:
> Hi Richard it was my mistake in the first place it was tv that I saw but
> gave the wrong info out.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Richard Turner
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 2:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: telly app on iPhone
>
> Are my messages not getting through?
> Telly is not, I repeat, not the TV app.
> If you look in the app store, you will find Telly is a separate,
> subscription app, apparently for Arabic TV.
> Richard
>
>
>
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
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>> On Dec 11, 2017, at 6:24 AM, wui chin Leong <adrianleon...@icloud.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> wil it work in canada?
>>
>>> On Dec 11, 2017, at 7:23 AM, Janet Bell <ja...@jan25.plus.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> thanks for that.   I didn't even know it was changing and the app says
>>> tv.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Ben Mustill-Rose
>>> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 1:56 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: telly app on iPhone
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> It replaces the Videos app. Essentially it's an app that lets you
>>> watch TV shows from different providers.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ben.
>>>
>>>> On 12/11/17, Janet Bell <ja...@jan25.plus.com> wrote:
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>>>> never
>>>> downloaded it so please can someone explain this to me?  Janet
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Re: telly app on iPhone

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

It replaces the Videos app. Essentially it's an app that lets you
watch TV shows from different providers.

Cheers,
Ben.

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Re: recumbent bikes

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

The ones that officially support iOS are going to be Apple type
expensive though and if I recall correctly they didn't mention if the
SDK would be open to everyone or a handful of handpicked companies.

I'm also looking for a similar product and the approach I think I'm
going to take is to by a normal bike and a Bluetooth heart rate
monitor. Obviously this doesn't give you as much info as a truly
connected bike, but based on my (admitidly limited) understanding of
these things the main metric you should be monitoring is your heart
rate so hopefully it will suffice.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 7/19/17, Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA)  wrote:
> Thanks I think I will do exactly what you have suggested and wait. I have
> done some research and there are quite a few with Wi-Fi capability but I'm
> looking for more specifics. I will do more research.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 19, 2017, at 2:43 PM, Sieghard Weitzel
> > wrote:
>
> You really should do your homework as iOS 11 will include greatly expanded
> capabilities with respect to interfacing with excersize equipment. They did
> show a slide during the keynote with a number of manufacturers, if you
> listen to Jonathan Mosen’s podcast of the keynote I think his daughter Heid
> is listing these manufacturers. More I am sure will join and you might be
> able to ask if you are looking at a particular one if it will work with iOS.
> If not just wait two months until iOS 11 is released and I’m sure more is
> known then.
>
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> Subject: recumbent bikes
>
> Hello I am in the market for a recumbent bike that works well with IOS. I
> have found a few on line with different features and the price varies but
> was wondering if anyone has ever tried any of them out and if so how
> accessible is it.
> Thanks
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Re: Coding training

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

YEs - it's possible to make money from programming, but if you have no
experience that's going to be a ery very long journy.
There's an app called Tickle which is accessible but I don't think
iDevices are the best place to learn. I'd suggest you install Python
on a computer, try to solve a problem you have & most importantly,
don't ask any Python related questions on this list as they will be
off topic.

Good luck & have fun,
Ben.

On 5/21/17, bcnf...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Hello folks i'm looking for some apps that will train you on how to code.
> I keep hearing about how it's popular for sighted folks? can we do it and
> make money?
> Thanks
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Re: Needing charging cable for Boxwave Buddy bluetooth keyboard

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

Any micro USB cable will work.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 2/6/17, Terri Stimmel  wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I was wondering, could anyone please tell me where I may be able to order a
> charging cable for my Boxwave Buddy bluetooth keyboard?
> The charging cable I got for it, was not the specific cable. But it worked
> just fine. Unfortunately when I moved this weekend, I believe I may have
> lost it, as well as a dual charging block. They were in a bag, and I think
> someone wasn't paying attention, and most likely accidentally tossed them
> out. This does not please me, because it is not as though I have a lot of
> money just to be shelling out for these sorts of things.
> I know I could likely purchase 1 directly from the website. But the prices
> are usually much higher.
>
> Any suggestions, or ideas would be very much appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
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> Terri
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> Get Outlook for iOS
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Re: IPad Mini 4

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

I never said that people who currently own a device should upgrade
just because it's a few years old; this discussion is about someone
who wishes to buy a device but isn't sure which one to go for.
I delt with the price and size arguements in a previous message.
Assuming you're buying outright price is against the mini here as it's
more expensive than higher spec iPads. The size, as I have mentioned
multiple times is IMO the one thing the mini has going for it - in
fact in terms of size I prefer it to my air 2.

Out of interest, what are the arguements that can be given when
arguing that the 1.5GHZ CPU found in the A8 is better than the 2.16GHZ
CPU found in the A9X?

Cheers,
Ben.

On 1/14/17, Evan Reese <ment...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> Well, "better" is a subjective term. If you can get it at a cheaper price,
> and you don't mind the size, then I suppose the Pro is better. But if you
> want a smaller device, and the (rather small) speed difference isn't a
> factor in what you're using it for, then the iPad Mini 4 is better. And, as
>
> I just mentioned, someone I know is perfectly happy with her iPad Mini 2,
> using all the apps she wants to use with no problems. So which is "better"?
> Chip speed is just one factor. There are other factors in deciding whether
> one device is "better" than another, including price and size.
> Evan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Mustill-Rose
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 1:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4
>
> Evan,
>
> Perhaps I'm getting the wrong end of the stick here, but do you
> genuinely think that when looking at cold hard numbers the 9.7 pro
> isn't better than the mini 4?
> The mini 4 uses the A8 SoC and has a 1.5GHZ CPU.
> The 9.7 Pro uses the A9X SoC and has a 2.16GHZ CPU.
> It's a very simplistic way of looking at it, but 2.16 is a bigger
> number than 1.5, there for it is better.
>
> Of course, some people may feel that the increase in performance isn't
> enough to justify purchasing it and that the smaller size of the mini
> makes up for its outdated technology. that's fine, but that's an
> opinion, whereas it is a simple fact that the 9.7 pro contains a
> better CPU than the mini 4.
>
> Cheers,
> Ben.
>
> On 1/14/17, Jennie Facer <jennie.fa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It is a lot faster and it has stereo speakers which is nice when holding
>> onto it. I don't think it is better when thinking about chip speed
>> though.
>> It just seems a little snappier. Just my opinion though.
>>
>> Jenn
>>
>> Jenn and Kumi
>>
>>> On Jan 14, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Evan Reese <ment...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> When you say “My pro does better than that mini.”, what does your Pro do
>>> better?
>>> Evan
>>>
>>> From: Jennie Facer
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 1:23 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4
>>>
>>> If you can handle just a slightly larger iPad, the 9.7 inch Pero is
>>> awesome! I have both the mini 4 and that is what my husband uses. My pro
>>> does better than that mini. Just a thought.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jenn and Kumi
>>>
>>>> On Jan 14, 2017, at 10:55 AM, TaraPrakash <taraprak...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Anything smaller than current ipad mini will be an ipod touch. If they
>>>> call something else, it will be a marketing gig.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 14, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The roomers are for the larger Ipads.  No roomers on a ipad mini.
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Devin Prater
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:59 PM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Marie
>>>>> Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4
>>>>>
>>>>> There are rumors of new iPads being released this year, so you may
>>>>> want
>>>>> to wait a while and see if they prove true.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent with AquaMail for Android
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>>>>>
>>>>>> On January 13, 2017 4:16:22 PM "Marie" <scribbl...@comcast.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am thinking of getting a mini 4 but just wondering if there are any
>>>>>> rumors of an upgrade coming any time soon. I would hate to buy one at
>>>>&

Re: Setting Up Apple TV 4

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

It's probably worth giving it a go without sighted help. The setup of
the actual Apple TV - E.G. turning on VO, connecting to WiFi etc is
fully accessible, but as has already been mentioned selecting the
source on your TV may not be.

2 possible workarounds:

If you know roughly how to do it but don't know which HDMI port is
which for example, try playing some music on a laptop, connecting it
to the TV and experiment with changing the sources around. When you
hear music disconnect the laptop and connect the Apple TV to the same
input.
Some devices can switch inputs for you. If you have one of these
devices you could turn it on, wait for the input to change and then
disconnect the HDMI cable and connect it to the Apple TV.

Good luck,
Ben.

On 1/14/17, Ann Smith  wrote:
> I love my Apple TV. I had cited assistance, just because I couldn't see
> which HDMI port to plug the device into. You also have to look at the screen
> for the source. I want to know what are you using cable or something else I
> imagine.
> I had one of those eight dollar and tennis attached to my TV, I think that's
> what they mean when they're talking about the source. Do you want the Apple
> device on HDMI or otherwise I'd imagine. Happy viewing is completely
> voiceover friendly.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 14, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Lynda Ingraham 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, before I start a project I won't be able to finish. Just wondering
>> whether I will need sighted assistance setting up our new Apple TV.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Lynda
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Re: IPad Mini 4

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Evan,

Perhaps I'm getting the wrong end of the stick here, but do you
genuinely think that when looking at cold hard numbers the 9.7 pro
isn't better than the mini 4?
The mini 4 uses the A8 SoC and has a 1.5GHZ CPU.
The 9.7 Pro uses the A9X SoC and has a 2.16GHZ CPU.
It's a very simplistic way of looking at it, but 2.16 is a bigger
number than 1.5, there for it is better.

Of course, some people may feel that the increase in performance isn't
enough to justify purchasing it and that the smaller size of the mini
makes up for its outdated technology. that's fine, but that's an
opinion, whereas it is a simple fact that the 9.7 pro contains a
better CPU than the mini 4.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 1/14/17, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> It is a lot faster and it has stereo speakers which is nice when holding
> onto it. I don't think it is better when thinking about chip speed though.
> It just seems a little snappier. Just my opinion though.
>
> Jenn
>
> Jenn and Kumi
>
>> On Jan 14, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Evan Reese  wrote:
>>
>> When you say “My pro does better than that mini.”, what does your Pro do
>> better?
>> Evan
>>
>> From: Jennie Facer
>> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 1:23 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4
>>
>> If you can handle just a slightly larger iPad, the 9.7 inch Pero is
>> awesome! I have both the mini 4 and that is what my husband uses. My pro
>> does better than that mini. Just a thought.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jenn and Kumi
>>
>>> On Jan 14, 2017, at 10:55 AM, TaraPrakash  wrote:
>>>
>>> Anything smaller than current ipad mini will be an ipod touch. If they
>>> call something else, it will be a marketing gig.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Jan 14, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Russ Kiehne  wrote:

 The roomers are for the larger Ipads.  No roomers on a ipad mini.

 From: Devin Prater
 Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:59 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Marie
 Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

 There are rumors of new iPads being released this year, so you may want
 to wait a while and see if they prove true.

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> On January 13, 2017 4:16:22 PM "Marie"  wrote:
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> I am thinking of getting a mini 4 but just wondering if there are any
> rumors of an upgrade coming any time soon. I would hate to buy one at
> full price and have a new model come out in a few months.
> Marie
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Re: IPad Mini 4

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

That depends on your definition of cope; mine's most likely different
to yours so listing examples would be rather pointless.

The CPU is the same one that is in the iPhone 6, so the question you
have to ask yourself is if you'd buy a 6 in 2017 when there are 2
newer options available.
The cheaper price arguement doesn't work either: in the UK at least if
you buy a mini from Apple you'll be paying £400. I recently purchased
a brand new iPad air 2 for £330. Admitidly the bump in spec isn't
huge, but a: that represents nearly a 20% decreace in price and b: one
hopes that Apple will support it for slightly longer with iOS updates.
To me at least, in 2017, the only reason I can see for someone to buy
a mini is the smaller screen. To be fair this does make some
difference to me - I was using a handfull of mini's to deliver a
workshop the other day & they're much nicer to hold than the airs, but
that definitely doesn't mean it makes sense to spend more money on a
less capable device.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 1/14/17, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com> wrote:
> Hi Evan,
>
> I agree with you.
>
> I have a desktop computer that is at least three to four years old, while my
>
> daughter uses my laptop that is only a year old and much, much faster.
>
> Either way, it's still a great computer to use and so I use it on a daily
> basis.
>
> I happen to know that there are people I know that are still using a
> computer with Windows XP on it.  They don't use Internet Explorer, and just
>
> use Firefox, and they can't even get iTunes installed on it because the
> latest version won't support it.
>
> Regardless of that, one does find that apps tend to get more and more
> sophisticated and processor intense, and so end getting slower and slower.
> The device ends up taking longer and longer to load apps, and the simplest
> functions end up getting more difficult and time consuming.
>
> I agree with your mindset, as long as it will run it, why the heck not and
> keep using a tried and true device.
>
> I'm still using a 4S and have no intention of upgrading to the 7, least of
> all it's lack of a headphone jack.  Smiles.
>
> Victor
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Evan Reese
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4
>
> Okay, okay, that might be true theoretically, but the real question is,
> what
> apps do people want or need to use that a given device can't run because it
> is too slow or for some other reason is outdated. That is the only
> practical
> question. If there are significant numbers of apps, or even a few, that a
> lot of people want or need that they can't run on their device, then the
> device is for all practical purposes obsolete. But if there are none, or at
> least none that people really want or need that it can't run, then what
> practical difference does it make how old it is?
> Evan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Victor Gouveia
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4
>
> Actually, the rule of thumb is that computer technology becomes outdated
> within six months of it's beta release, in other words, when it's released
> to the public.
>
> For a chip, I don't think just under two years is ancient, but it is rather
> old, Especially when you compare it to today's chips.
>
> Victor
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Evan Reese
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4
>
> Well, the chip in the iPad Mini 4 is (I think) just a shade over two years
> old. Is that really that ancient? Do you have any examples of apps that you
> think are useful that the iPad Mini 4 can't cope with?
> Evan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Mustill-Rose
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 7:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4
>
> Hi,
>
> Is there no way you could cope with a full size iPad? The Minis use
> really old technology by todays standards.
>
> Cheers,
> Ben.
>
> On 1/14/17, Evan Reese <ment...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>> And there’s also the fact that if there is a new iPad Mini this year,
>> better
>> deals on the 4 will appear soon after.
>> Evan
>>
>> From: Devin Prater
>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 6:59 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Marie
>> Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4
>>
>> There are rumors of new iPads being released this year, so you may want
>> to
>> wait a while and see if they prove true.
>>
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>> On January 13, 2017 4:16:

Re: IPad Mini 4

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

Is there no way you could cope with a full size iPad? The Minis use
really old technology by todays standards.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 1/14/17, Evan Reese  wrote:
> And there’s also the fact that if there is a new iPad Mini this year, better
> deals on the 4 will appear soon after.
> Evan
>
> From: Devin Prater
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 6:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Marie
> Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4
>
> There are rumors of new iPads being released this year, so you may want to
> wait a while and see if they prove true.
>
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
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> On January 13, 2017 4:16:22 PM "Marie"  wrote:
>
>   I am thinking of getting a mini 4 but just wondering if there are any
> rumors of an upgrade coming any time soon. I would hate to buy one at full
> price and have a new model come out in a few months.
>   Marie
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Re: question about iPad.

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

That depends though. Apple sell the 32GB mini 4 for £379 but I picked
up an iPad Air 2 16GB last week for £329. The mini 4 uses 2014
technology. Even the Air 2 is aging a bit but Apple should support it
until iOS 13/14 based on previous tablets so it's probably still
acceptable for most consumers when the alternative is spending another
£200 or so to jump to a pro which by definition you don't need if
you're a consumer.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 12/28/16, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Ben,
> The price. They are cheaper, as they are not as powerful, and are smaller.
> That's my biggest reason for considering one.
>
>
>
> Sent from a Braille Sense
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Ben Mustill-Rose  <b...@benmr.com>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, December 28, 2016 4:55 pm
> Subject: Re: question about iPad.
>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The mini is noticeably less powerful than the pro and any other iPad
>> come to think about it. Short of the smaller screen, I really don't
>> see any reason why anyone should consider one today.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ben.
>>
>> On 12/28/16, Jennie Facer <jennie.fa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > The only difference between the iPad Pro and the iPad mini is its size.
>> > If
>> > you don't want something too big, I would go with the iPad Pro 9.7
>> > inch.
>> > There are two sizes of the pro. There is the one I just mentioned and
>> > then
>> > the 12.9 inch. As far as doing things on a windows PC, you can do most
>> > anything like email, search web, listen to all kinds of music and the
>> > like.
>> > You will have to use iTunes if you want to copy music to your iPad
>> > though..
>> > Otherwise, it is a great device.
>> >
>> > Hope this helps,
>> >
>> > Jenn
>> >
>> > Jenn and Kumi
>> >
>> >> On Dec 28, 2016, at 8:25 AM, christopher huby <chrishub...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Good afternoon all,
>> >>
>> >> I know this may be slightly off topic but if some one could help me I
>> >> would be most grateful.
>> >>
>> >> Please reply off list so as not to cause upset.
>> >>
>> >> I am thinking of getting an ipad and want to know what the difference
>> >> is
>> >> between the ipad pro and the ipad mini and if there are any
>> >> differences
>> >> when it comes to accessability and if there is anything you can't do
>> >> that
>> >> you would be able to do on a windows pc.
>> >>
>> >> If some one could help me I would be most grateful.
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
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Re: question about iPad.

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

The mini is noticeably less powerful than the pro and any other iPad
come to think about it. Short of the smaller screen, I really don't
see any reason why anyone should consider one today.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 12/28/16, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The only difference between the iPad Pro and the iPad mini is its size. If
> you don't want something too big, I would go with the iPad Pro 9.7 inch.
> There are two sizes of the pro. There is the one I just mentioned and then
> the 12.9 inch. As far as doing things on a windows PC, you can do most
> anything like email, search web, listen to all kinds of music and the like.
> You will have to use iTunes if you want to copy music to your iPad though.
> Otherwise, it is a great device.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Jenn
>
> Jenn and Kumi
>
>> On Dec 28, 2016, at 8:25 AM, christopher huby 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Good afternoon all,
>>
>> I know this may be slightly off topic but if some one could help me I
>> would be most grateful.
>>
>> Please reply off list so as not to cause upset.
>>
>> I am thinking of getting an ipad and want to know what the difference is
>> between the ipad pro and the ipad mini and if there are any differences
>> when it comes to accessability and if there is anything you can’t do that
>> you would be able to do on a windows pc.
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>> If some one could help me I would be most grateful.
>>
>> Regards
>>
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Re: iPhone mishap

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

What you've encountered is 2 factor authentication - note that this is
different to 2 step verification. Essentially, the idea is that
instead of authenticating with one piece of information - E.G. your
password, you authenticate with 2, the second thing being something
that is a lot harder to obtain such as a code via SMS. This is however
floored logic as a determined attacker can easily intercept SMS
messages at which point the point of 2FA is completely nul & void. I'd
also respectfully point out that it has nothing to do with DFU /
recovery mode.
Apple has a page detailing what you can do if you find yourself in
situations such as the one that you've found yourself in.
https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204921

Goodluck,
Ben.

On 12/22/16, rajmund  wrote:
> hello.
>   why can't you read the text? confused...
>
> Sent from Thunderbird
>
> On 22/12/2016 05:29 AM, Joney wrote:
>> Hi all:
>>
>> I’ve managed to do a really stupid thing.
>>
>> I’ve locked myself out of my apple account.
>>
>> I got a new phone for Christmas and, went to set it up like I had my old
>> one. I did an incryptede backup of the phone, restored the old phone to
>> factory settings, and than tried setting up my nw phone.
>>
>> Not the thing to do apparently. The old phone hving been reset didn’t
>> have my account info on it amymore and the new phone wasn’t set up.  So,
>> I can’t get past the enter code page because messages sent to the phone
>> can’t be read.
>>
>> I’ve been told I may have to put a whole new ID on the phone and start
>> from scratch. L
>>
>> Any helpful ideas would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thenks,
>>
>> Joney
>>
>> “If God can bring you to it,
>>
>> He will lead you through it.:
>>
>> talk2o...@gmail.com 
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Re: Apple TV

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

Sighted help won't be required. Initial setup will require a TV yes,
but there's no reason why a blind person can't turn on VO and set it
up herself.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 12/16/16, Scott Berry  wrote:
> It can be done yes but it will take someone sighted for the person to go
> through the initial setup and the reason for this is because VO or the TV
> doesn’t look for any available bluetooth devices around locally.  I have
> already complained about this and hopefully something will be done but yes
> it will work just have to work around this a bit.
>
>
>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Rich Ring  wrote:
>>
>> I have purchased an Apple Tv as a Christmas present. Now, don’t laugh, the
>> person for whom I’ve purchased this device does not have a television.
>> What I would like to know, could the Apple TV’s output be sent to a good
>> blue tooth speaker, thus allowing the device to function as a tv receiver
>> without having to own a television? Sounds silly, I know, but I’d
>> appreciate any thoughts on this matter.
>> Rising with the Phoenix
>>   www.the-phoenix.net  Sent from my Mac Book
>> Air
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Re: preparing a phone to give away

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

turn off find my iPhone then settings > general > reset > erase all
content and settings. That's all you need to do.

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On 11/23/16, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>   Sign out of ICloud, deactivate Find my iPhone and Restore to default,
> wiping away the whole phone. Good luck!
>
> El 22/11/2016 08:54 p.m., Gordon escribió:
>> I know this has probably been discussed but I don't have a lot of time
>> to go find the messages. My GF is giving her old iPhone 5s away to a
>> friend. So I'm wondering what all we need to do to prepare it to start
>> fresh for her friend. I know you sign out of iMessage, face time and
>> iCloud prior to resetting the phone. Is this all we need to do before
>> we reset it or is there anything else left to do?
>>
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Re: Internet browser on Apple TV

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

There are actually browsers available for it but you have to install
them yourself via Xcode. I haven't tried any of them.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 11/4/16, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> This is one of the things I am surprised about. I would have thought Apple
> by now would have released a Safari app for the Apple TV. I can only assume
> they are also not allowing companies like Firefox or Atomic to make web
> browsers for the Apple TV for some reason.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Ben Mustill-Rose
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Internet browser on Apple TV
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> Hi,
>
> It's possible in a round about way but it doesn't support flash.
>
> Cheers,
> Ben.
>
> On 11/3/16, MamaPeach <mamape...@charter.net> wrote:
>> There is no internet browser.
>>
>> From: Gianni
>> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 7:38 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Internet browser on Apple TV
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>> I have a question about the apple tv. Is it already possible to install
>> an
>> internet browser on the latest Apple tv? If yes, can you play websites
>> with
>> flash on it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Gianni
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>> Skype: giannijuve
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Re: Internet browser on Apple TV

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

It's possible in a round about way but it doesn't support flash.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 11/3/16, MamaPeach  wrote:
> There is no internet browser.
>
> From: Gianni
> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 7:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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>
> Hello everyone,
> I have a question about the apple tv. Is it already possible to install an
> internet browser on the latest Apple tv? If yes, can you play websites with
> flash on it?
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> Gianni
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> Skype: giannijuve
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Re: Just doing some comparing of Apple TV and Amazon Firestick

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

I have a Fire TV stick:

very limited accessibility.
The stock apps aren't accessible.
Very few third party apps aren't accessible.
Don't do it!!!

Cheers,
Ben.

On 10/30/16, Terri Stimmel  wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
>
> I am trying to decide where to go next, when it comes to my Apple TV.
>
> I love my Apple Tv, and enjoy it very much! I use it all the time.
>
>
> However, while I want to upgrade, I do have some concerns about the
> learning curve. But even more, I have concerns about the cost.
>
> I don't really have the money to purchase a new model, and I most likely
> won't for some time now. I know this might not seem like a lot of money
> for some of you, and I think this is wonderful!
>
> But unfortunately for me, it is.
>
>
> So I was looking at the Amazon tv Firestick.
>
> Does anyone on this list know much about this thing?
>
> If not, could someone kindly direct me to a list, where there are blind
> people who do know about this?
>
>
> Also, is this device accessible at all?
>
> If so, by how much? Will only part of it talk?
>
> Would I be able to download apps?
>
>
> Also, from what I read, it mentioned that you can get a subscription to
> Sling tv. From what I understand, Sling tv isn't accessible at all.
>
> So if I got a subscription on the Firestick, wouldn't it likely not be
> accessible?
>
>
> Any help with this, or thoughts on the matter, would be very much
> appreciated.
>
>
> Thank you for reading, and letting me make comparisons.
>
>
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Re: Loaning an old iPhone to someone

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Thing is though, if it's been backed up to iCloud recently, you can
just reset it, let him use it then just restore from the backup. That
seems the cleanest way to do it in my opinion.

On 10/17/16, Rajmund  wrote:
> You could still log out the ID, and leave other things there...
>
>
>
>
> Sent from an iPad Air
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>> On 17 Oct 2016, at 12:11 am, Deidre Muccio 
>> wrote:
>>
>> If I were sure that I wouldn't want to keep the phone as a back up and I
>> was going to give it to him rather than loan it to him I would definitely
>> reset it all and just wipe it clean. Not sure what I'm gonna do yet but
>> yeah that would make the most sense obviously. Thanks.
>>
>> Deidre
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 16, 2016, at 5:28 PM, Rajmund  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> It does mean only that device, yours won't be effected. But honestly, if
>>> you give the phone to someone else, I'd just log out my iTUNES ID of that
>>> phone, least the app store. If for nothing, the kid can see all your
>>> purchases.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from a Braille Sense
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Deidre Muccio  
>>> To: Viphone  
>>> Date: Sunday, October 16, 2016 8:29 pm
>>> Subject: Turning in old iPhone over to someone
>>>


 Hey all, I'm thinking of turning in old for S over to a neighbor a young
 kid who needs to take some pictures. I'm looking at the iTunes App Store
 and it says require a pass word on this device. When it says on this
 device do they literally mean that device and only that device? Will
 this affect my other phone which I am using? I'm assuming it means
 exactly what it says and then if I tell it's always require a passport I
 won't have to worry about him doing weird things in the App Store. Is
 that a right assumption?

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Re: Turning in old iPhone over to someone

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

Just make sure find my iPhone is turned off, then do an erase all
content & settings from settings > general > reset. that way he'll be
able to do whatever he wants without it affecting you.

Cheers,
Ben.

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> who needs to take some pictures. I'm looking at the iTunes App Store and it
> says require a pass word on this device. When it says on this device do they
> literally mean that device and only that device? Will this affect my other
> phone which I am using? I'm assuming it means exactly what it says and then
> if I tell it's always require a passport I won't have to worry about him
> doing weird things in the App Store. Is that a right assumption?
>
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Re: Is it correct, that the third generation Apple TV will not get iOS 10?

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Yes.

On 9/12/16, Terri Stimmel  wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> A friend told me that I would not be able to update my third generation
> Apple TV. They told me that it would not be able to receive the iOS 10
> upgrade.
> Is this correct?
> Thank you,
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> Terri
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Re: BBC iPlayer has come to the US

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Hi,

We're actually talking about iPlayer radio here, not iPlayer.

Cheers,
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On 7/22/16, rajmund  wrote:
> Hello,
> I'll be revealing my age here...
> Radio 4, to my knowledge, is a talk station, and I could never stand it.
> radio 2, is oldies, again, I could never stand it. Radio 1 is a bit of
> everything, rock, new stuff, charts, mix things, pop, talk, you get the
> idea. That's probably the best out of the lot. The extra one, never heard of
> it. Think radio 3 or 6, is a sport radio, not too sure about 5. Thought of,
> say, typing in BBC radio 5 into tune in, and look at the description? just
> an idea.?
>
> Sent from my iPhone 5S
>
>> On 22 Jul 2016, at 1:40 am, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>
>> It's free, of course, and it looks to be fully accessible. For someone in
>> the UK, could you help a US person who is not familiar with the various
>> stations. We have radio one, youone extra, radio two, three, four, five,
>> and six. Do they specialize in different things? There isn't any
>> identifying information other than the station numbers.
>> Mary
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Re: Question regarding Apple TV, and channels

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Hi,

Just go to the requested page on an iDevice or computer. It's a bit of
a pain to get it all set up as you're experiencing, but once you've
done it all it usually works quite well.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 7/12/16, Terri Stimmel  wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I have an Apple TV, 3rd generation model. I do not currently have cable. So
> I realize what I can do, is limited.
> Although, I do have a Netflix, and Hulu account.
>
> Here is my question.
>
> I want to use YouTube on my Apple TV. But when I try to choose my YouTube,
> it says something about going to a certain YouTube page, and entering this
> code. But I do not understand how to keep the code up on the screen, and
> re-read it.
> Can I do that? I am totally blind.
> Once I go and enter this code, will I then be able to use my YouTube account
> on Apple?
> It has said this for channels like, abc also. After I watch so many episodes
> of a show. If I do this for these other channels, then will I mostly have
> full access?
>
> Any help will be very much appreciated. I am trying to understand this all.
>
> Thank you,
>
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Re: BBC News App Occasionally Not Opening Article

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Hi,

Is there an article that consistently shows the issue?

Cheers,
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On 7/11/16, Craig Werner  wrote:
> Hello, everyone.
>
> I have noticed that occasionally, if I double-tap on a story from within
> the "My News" section that the article will not open if VoiceOver is
> enabled.  The article opens if VoiceOver is disabled.  I have also noticed
> that this problem can be remedied by turning on the app's "Compact Layout"
> setting available via ("Menu -> Settings -> General -> Compact Layout").
> Clearly, VoiceOver should allow the article to be opened regardless of the
> state of this setting.  Can anyone confirm this behavior?  I have sent
> feedback to the BBC News developer.
>
> I am using an iPhone 5 with iOS 9.3.2.
>
> Thank you for all help.
>
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Re: iPhone 5SE

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Hi,

If you actually mean 5C and not 5SE (5 S E) then yes there are
differences, speed & the lack of touch ID on the 5C are two that come
to mind. Obviously everyone's situations different but personally I
wouldn't buy a 5C in 2016 - I'd be looking at a 5S at minimum which is
still a really nice phone.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 6/25/16, Ron  wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> There is no such thing as an iPhone 5SE.  It is simple the iPhone SE and it
> is not smaller than the iPhone 5S, it is the exact same size.  Basically,
> the SE is a 6S in a smaller case with touch ID 1.0 and a lower resolution
> front facing camera and no force touch.
>
>
>
> Ron & Danvers
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Renett Ferns
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 8:54 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iPhone 5SE
>
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I just have a question about the iPhone 5SE. Besides the fact that the
> iPhone 5SE is smaller than the iPhone 5S, are there any other differences
> between the two phones?
>
> Thanks
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Re: iPhone seems to have died during update

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Hi,

We can most likely resolve the problem but you will loos all the data
that is on the phone. Do you have an iCloud backup or a local one that
you can restore too?

Cheers,
Ben.

On 5/17/16, wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net  wrote:
> hi all,
> Thank you for the help
> If you get a duplicate duplicate of this I apologize. I looked in my sent
> messages and I did not see this one. The iPhone told me the update would
> begin in so many seconds, and then stopped. It never rebooted after that. I
> connected it to the computer and try to update through iTunes, which I do
> have the latest version of, but iTunes said that there was a problem
> updating the phone. I tried several times, but each time iTunes kept saying
> that it was downloading software for the update but then trying to start the
> update process over. If anyone can help I would really appreciate it. The
> iPhone is the only phone I have.
> God bless,
> Wren Langley
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Re: How to change the name of the IPad that shows up

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Hi,

Settings > general > about > name. Double-tap & it will give you the
option to change it.

Cheers,
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On 5/14/16, Don Risavy, Jr.  wrote:
> Wondered is there a simple way or method to change the name that pops up
> when using the IPad as used ITunes to set it up for the first time and
> looks
> like ITunes used my user name or info from my desktop computer to mame the
> Ipad when set it up for the first time.
>
> Thanks.
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Re: Apple TV 4th Gen questions

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Hi,

No - everything's done over wifi or Ethernet.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 4/25/16, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> It does, thanks. Do I need to have an antenna to get these channels? I
> don't currently have either Cable or broadcast TV.
>
> Wayne
>
> On 4/25/16, Merv Keck  wrote:
>> They are called apps but they can either be considered channels or apps
>> depending on how you look at it. For example currently there are about
>> 900
>> available apps for the Apple TV fourth Generation ranging from Netflix
>> and
>> Hulu to games and podcast applications, and even a speedtest application,
>> to
>> common channel apps such as CVS and freeform formerly ABC Family. Some of
>> these channel apps require that you have the same channel on your cable
>> subscription such as Disney channels. Others do not. Some will allow you
>> limited access to programing if you do not have the corresponding channel
>> on
>> your cable subscription but will not allow you to have access to the full
>> amount of programing options. ESPN is a good example of that. You get a
>> few
>> clips and a lot of annoying ads unless you validate your cable provider
>> on
>> the Apple TV. Once that is done you have access to at least 7 channels of
>> ESPN plus bonus material free for the price of downloading the channel
>> from
>> the app store for free.
>> Hope that helps'
>> Merv
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Wayne Merritt
>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 2:54 PM
>> To: viphone 
>> Subject: Apple TV 4th Gen questions
>>
>> All,
>> I am looking at getting the 4th generation Apple TV. I've got a couple of
>> questions. First of all, I know that it is not a "tv", but I have heard
>> conflicting reports about Apple TV having channels, like some Cable
>> channels, where one can watch TV shows. Is this true, or are shows mainly
>> watched using apps that one downloads onto the Apple TV?
>> Would I need an antenna or Cable subscription in order to watch TV shows?
>> The other big thing is can I record shows and watch them later on the
>> Apple
>> TV, like one could do with some early services like Tivo?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Wayne
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Re: The final chapter, was: The story continues... Long lost iPhone 6S has finally resurfaced after snow melt

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Does Apple care plus cover water damage? Hope it all works out for you!

On 4/23/16, Kim Samco  wrote:
> OMG!  This is a great story!  Thanks for bringing us up to date.
>
> Kim
>
>
>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>> Hi everybody,
>>
>> Finally, here is the long awaited last chatper of my lost iPhone story.
>>
>> yesterday the package with my iPhone 6S packed in rice arrived. Externally
>> it looks brand new with not a scratch on it. When I took out the SIM tray
>> it seemed like there was maybe a bit of moisture there so I left out the
>> SIM tray and stuck the iPhone in my toaster oven on a really low
>> temperature for a couple of hours just to maybe expel a bit more moisture
>> from inside.
>>
>> After that the moment came and I plugged it in. My wife was there and we
>> quietly watched, but the screen remained black. After about 2 minutes
>> there was no change and I thought that answered the question as to whether
>> the iPhone was still working after having been lying on the ground outside
>> for 115 days, first in snow and temperatures of up to -40
>> Celsius/Fahrenheit and as warm as +20 Celsius (68 Fahrenheit) and of
>> course having gone through the process when the snow and ice around it
>> melted and so on. It was also exposed to the sun, back in March there was
>> another 10 inches of new snow over the course of a week and in the week or
>> two before my brother found it on April 15 it had rained lightly a few
>> times.
>>
>> Anyhow, I left it plugged in and when I came back to my office 2 hours
>> later I thought I check it out. I pressed the home button and bingo,
>> Voiceover was there and asked me to enter my passcode. I did so and the
>> phone unlocked. There was of course no service since I got a new SIM back
>> in December when I lost it and I had also just installed a new router at
>> my store so I had to reconnect to WiFi. As soon as I did so the phone
>> started dinging and binging away as emails came in, push notification
>> alerts sounded and on top of all that it started playing the lost sound
>> since back on December 22 we logged in to my iCloud account and triggered
>> the Find my iPhone sound in case I had just dropped it somewhere in the
>> house.
>>
>> At that point it had charged up to 82% and everything seemed totally
>> normal. I went to Settings > General > Software Update and since I
>> registered this phone on the public beta program, I was told iOS 9.3.2
>> public beta 2 was available for download. I started the download and it
>> downloaded the 1.2 Gb file in about 14 minutes, after that the upgrade
>> proceeded normally and the phone was up and running again in about 12
>> minutes.
>>
>> So, happy ending, right? Well, almost. Shortly after I finished the update
>> one of my employees walked in to ask me something. I happily told her
>> “Look, the iPhone that was lying in the snow for 4 months is working”. I
>> held it up and swiped around and Voiceover was chattering. Then she said
>> “OK, but what about the screen”. I asked “Why, what about the screen” and
>> she said that it was totally and utterly black. At first I thought that
>> was no problem, maybe the screen curtain was on. I did a 3-finger triple
>> tap, but to my dismay Voiceover said “Screen curtain on” and not “off”. I
>> did it again and Voiceover confirmed the screen curtain was now off. I
>> checked the brightness and even increased it to 100%, but she said it just
>> was showing a completely black screen.
>>
>> So, I guess for the time it’s now truly an iPhone for the blind, it works
>> perfectly, I made a Skype call on it to my Mom and both speaker and
>> microphones seem to work just fine, but the screen seems to be not
>> working. It will be interesting to see if in the next few days it comes
>> back. Anyhow, it so happens that my wife and I have to go to Vancouver
>> next week so I’ll take it an Apple Store and get it replaced since I have
>> Apple Care Plus and it’s of course totally worth it to pay the $130
>> Canadian which is what an accidental damage replacement costs. Let’s hope
>> the screen doesn’t start working by then *smile*
>>
>> The end.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
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Re: I need help after updating the 4S please

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

It's probably your Apple ID password.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 4/19/16, evergreenwoods66 via VIPhone  wrote:
> I did it, but it seems that after that it asks me for a password, but I
> don't have any password.
> I don't know what to do. Would please give me more info? Thanks, Rena
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> El 19/04/2016 06:58 a.m., evergreenwoods66 via VIPhone escribió:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I updated my 4S to the latest version. My problem is that now when I press
>>
>> the home button, it says hello. When I touch the screen it says hello and
>>
>> other things in different languages. I understand that also says something
>>
>> about configuration, but I have not idea what I should do. Would anyone
>> please explain what I have to do? Thanks, Rena
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Re: ip address of apple airport express

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Hi,

It depends. Assuming that it's running a DHCP server and you have no
other DHCP servers on your network, you could just connect to it over
wireless then see what gateway address you have. If you have something
that's already doing DHCP nobody on this list will be able to tell you
as it will vary from setup to setup. If this is the case you could try
consulting your routers web interface and looking for "list of
clients" or similar.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 4/3/16, Fanus  wrote:
> Hello list
> Does anyone know the ip address of the apple airport express?
> Regards
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Re: Gestures to get through welcome screen after updating phone

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Hi,

Just double tap on the element that is spoken in a different language.
I know it sounds weird but I promiss you that doing this will in
actual fact make the phone speak in English.

Cheers,
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On 3/25/16, Cher Bosch  wrote:
> Hi Group- I always have a dickens of a time figuring out to do to set
> English and then perform a swipe gesture. When you hear "hello" what do you
> do to stop the language rotation? And then please what is the easiest/most
> correct way to perform the illusive 'swipe' gesture?? Thanks!
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Re: what can I do or is my home button just broken

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Hi,

I'm almost certain you shouldn't be in the market for a new phone. If
the same thing is happening when you use a bluetooth keyboard &
braille display we can rule out a hardware issue with the home button,
but I admit that it does sound weird. It's a bit of a pain to do, but
at this stage I'd be considering starting completely fresh - E.G.
erasing the phone via iTunes, manually transfering your music over and
manually downloading all the apps you require. Don't just restore the
phone from an iCloud backup.

Cheers,
Ben.

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>> On Mar 11, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Eden  wrote:
>>
>> Well I'm beginning to think I need a new phone. It is not under warranty
>> as it was bought used. The issue I am having is this that hitting the home
>> button or using a braille display and or bluetooth keyboard, half the time
>> or even more than half I have to hit it more than ence and sometimes I
>> totally have to reset the phone to get back to the homescreen. Am I in the
>> market for a new phone or can it be saved?
>> Eden
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Re: can't find airplay button on any apps

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Hi,

Are you looking in control centre as well?

Cheers,
Ben.

On 2/16/16, Melissa Tucker  wrote:
> yes, that's what I am trying to do.  I will try unplugging it and
> reconnecting and see what happens. Thanks for explaining that.  take care.
>
>
> On Feb 16, 2016, at 2:30 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello Melissa,
>
> Getting a new WiFi modem is a major change.
>
> When I think of Air Play, I generally think, Apple TV.  Is that your
> objective? To stream media to an Apple TV?
>
> Since you have a new WiFi modem, you may need to unplug your Apple TV for
> about 45 seconds or so, then, reboot it.  Make certain that all of your
> devices are on the same network.  Please keep in mind that just because each
> device has access to the Internet via the modem, does not mean that they are
> on the same network.  They probably are but not necessarily so.
>
> Mark
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> I know this sounds strange and there may not be an answer. But I cannot find
> the airplay button for media streaming and either  the  music app ootunes,
> or any  other app that normally has it.  I just got a new wifi modem, but
> other than that, no major changes.  Any suggestions?  I have rebooted the
> phone too.  I have the latest ios on an iphone 5s
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Re: Smart tv conflict with apple tv?

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No - it should all be fine.

On 2/16/16, david gross  wrote:
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> If I buy apple tv as well, will the systems conflict?
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Re: BBC iPlayer app

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Hi,

Unfortunately what you want to do isn't possible at the moment. They
are aware of the issue.

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On 2/3/16, Andrew Roberts  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is there anyone out there using the BBC iPlayer app on iPhone and iPad?
>
> I have been trying to watch programmes with audio description and the only
> way I have found to be able to do this is to go to categories, select audio
> description from there and then select the programme you want to watch.  The
> only problem is that by doing that, if you want to go back further than the
> latest episode you would need to select the more episodes option.  If you
> then play an earlier episode you get it without audio description and I
> can't see a way of turning it on.  Does anyone know if there is a way to get
> AD on earlier episodes than just the latest one?  It is possible to do this
> using the web player for Windows as the option to turn it on is below the
> download button of each episode.
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> Any help greatfully received.
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> Best wishes,
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Re: Workaround to disable frequent IOS notifications

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

Is there any reason you don't want to update? I've updated 4 iPhones &
an iPad 4 and found it to be just as stable as 9.2.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 1/24/16, Michelle Bernstein  wrote:
> Nearly everytime I use my Ipad, I have a popup notification asking if
> I wish to update from ios 9.2 to 9.21.  I contacted apple
> accessibility who indicated there is no way to prevent these frequent
> pop up notifications from appearing on the screen and that the reason
> that this 9.21 notification appears so frequently is that it pertains
> to a security issue.  Has anyone found a workaround to disable these
> popup notifications concerning ios updates?  Thanks for any guidance.
> Regards, Michelle Bernstein
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Re: Artificial vision app AIPoly has been released

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

That's because you're spelling it incorrectly. It's a i p o l y.

On 1/6/16, Scott Berry <sb356...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What is the app store link for Aipol?  I can’t find it through the search
> function on the phone.
>
>
>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 6:28 PM, Lelia <leliastr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> There should be a continue button at the end of page 5
>>
>> lelia
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Jenifer Barr
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 6:02 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Artificial vision app AIPoly has been released
>>
>> Lol! I can't get out of the tutorial! It keeps saying page 5 of 5. I flik
>> up thinking that will help... nope. Any suggesttions?
>>
>> Jenifer Barr
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 6:51 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose <b...@benmr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> AIPoly (pronounced A I Poly) was released a couple of days ago;
>>> unfortunately the announcement ended up in my spam folder, so I only
>>> saw it this morning.
>>>
>>> For anyone who doesn't remember, a few months ago, AIPoly received a
>>> fairly large amount of media coverage with the usual hard-hitting
>>> headlines like "app allows blind people to see" and then as is usually
>>> the case we heard next to nothing about it. However, unlike most other
>>> projects like this, the app is actually available in the app store
>>> right now & it does sort of work.
>>> Here is a good article that gives some background:
>>> http://techcrunch.com/2015/08/17/aipoly-puts-machine-vision-in-the-han
>>> ds-of-the-visually-impaired/
>>>
>>> I'm not one for writing up lengthy tutorials, but since I found the
>>> app a bit confusing I've provided some pointers below:
>>>
>>> After you have swiped through the tutorial you will be on the main
>>> screen. To start recognizing objects, point the device at an object
>>> and press the "toggle AIPoly" button. You will receive no feedback
>>> what so ever. When this button is pressed the device will constantly
>>> be trying to recognize things - E.G. you are able to move the device
>>> around & it will automatically try to recognize whatever is in front
>>> of it.
>>> After a few seconds, feel just under the middle of the screen and you
>>> should find out what AIPoly thinks the object is. If focus remains on
>>> this element future objects will sometimes be spoken but sometimes
>>> not, so it's best to keep feeling around the same area.
>>> The "pencil" button is used to teach AIPoly about an object although
>>> I've yet to give this a go.
>>> For me, it takes about 5 seconds for an object to be recognized, but
>>> as I say, you receive no feedback at all, so it's hard to know when
>>> it's safe to move the phone away and when a result is returned.
>>>
>>> The app definitely has a lot of potential and since it's free you
>>> can't really beat the price, but the user experience needs quite a bit
>>> of work.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ben.
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Artificial vision app AIPoly has been released

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi all,

AIPoly (pronounced A I Poly) was released a couple of days ago;
unfortunately the announcement ended up in my spam folder, so I only
saw it this morning.

For anyone who doesn't remember, a few months ago, AIPoly received a
fairly large amount of media coverage with the usual hard-hitting
headlines like "app allows blind people to see" and then as is usually
the case we heard next to nothing about it. However, unlike most other
projects like this, the app is actually available in the app store
right now & it does sort of work.
Here is a good article that gives some background:
http://techcrunch.com/2015/08/17/aipoly-puts-machine-vision-in-the-hands-of-the-visually-impaired/

I'm not one for writing up lengthy tutorials, but since I found the
app a bit confusing I've provided some pointers below:

After you have swiped through the tutorial you will be on the main
screen. To start recognizing objects, point the device at an object
and press the "toggle AIPoly" button. You will receive no feedback
what so ever. When this button is pressed the device will constantly
be trying to recognize things - E.G. you are able to move the device
around & it will automatically try to recognize whatever is in front
of it.
After a few seconds, feel just under the middle of the screen and you
should find out what AIPoly thinks the object is. If focus remains on
this element future objects will sometimes be spoken but sometimes
not, so it's best to keep feeling around the same area.
The "pencil" button is used to teach AIPoly about an object although
I've yet to give this a go.
For me, it takes about 5 seconds for an object to be recognized, but
as I say, you receive no feedback at all, so it's hard to know when
it's safe to move the phone away and when a result is returned.

The app definitely has a lot of potential and since it's free you
can't really beat the price, but the user experience needs quite a bit
of work.

Cheers,
Ben.

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Re: IPhone 6 and Windows 7 64-bit.

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

Does iTunes see it?

Cheers,
Ben.

On 12/31/15, Jim Jones  wrote:
>
>
>
> Good morning all,
> I'm trying to connect my iPhone 6 to my windows seven 64-bit PC. When I hook
> up the cable between the two, the iPhone is not being seen. I went into my
> computer, from the desktop, and I can't find it that way, or in the control
> panel. Can somebody give me a tip on how to make it see the iPhone? Jim
> Jones
> cassie1...@gmail.com
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Re: videos on an iPhone 6

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

Just find the phone in "computer", then copy paste / cut paste the
video into a folder on your computer.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 12/29/15, Rajmund  wrote:
> Hello,
> No, not really, I will really leave that to someone, but  glad it worked.
> Thanks for getting back as well, I now know it for future.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Zoe Fiogkos  
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 5:08 pm
> Subject: RE: videos on an iPhone 6
>
>>
>>
>> Ok that's strange, but it worked.  I opened a text message from my better
>> half and then when I went into my contacts there was the option under his
>> name.  Don't know why it would work that way but hey problem solved.
>> Thank you so much.
>> Does anyone now know how to help me with my video saving issue?
>> Thanks again
>> Zoe
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Rajmund
>> Sent: December-29-15 11:46 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: videos on an iPhone 6
>>
>> Hello,
>> Have you iMessaged him before or something, and added him into the
>> contacts that way?
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Zoe Fiogkos  
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 4:31 pm
>> Subject: RE: videos on an iPhone 6
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > I guess that is a salution.  I'm curious though why am I given the
>> > option for facetime with all my other contacts who have iphones but not
>> > with my husband?  Any ideas?  Like I said I guess its not a big deal
>> > since I can go through the facetime app but it's mind boggleing why I
>> > have the option with everyone else in the contacts and not him.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> > Behalf Of Rajmund
>> > Sent: December-29-15 11:15 AM
>> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: videos on an iPhone 6
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> > I'll give a spin to question 2. Is his iMessage/facetime ID  a number or
>> > email? Either ways, open facetime, and type which ever it is into the
>> > field, and press call, or whatever the button is. That should work. As
>> > for the other, I'll leave  it to someone who has a PC.
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: Zoe Fiogkos  
>> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> > Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 4:03 pm
>> > Subject: videos on an iPhone 6
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Hi guys, my husband who is sited got a free iphone 6 and for the most
>> > > part he is loving it.  Even though I'm a blind user I'm successfully
>> > > teaching him how to use it, but I've run into 2 problems and I'm
>> > > hoping you guys can help.
>> > > I don't know if I'm having a brain fart, excuse my language or if I've
>> > > never done this and simply don't know how.
>> > > Problem 1 my husband took a home video and he wants to save it onto
>> > > our laptop.  Using itunes how do we save the video onto our laptop so
>> > > we can delete it off his phone.  His phone is only 16 gb capacity so
>> > > he wants to save things on the laptop.  How do we do this.
>> > > Problem 2 we want to use facetime between us but on my phone which is
>> > > a 6 plus I can't see him on facetime.  When I go into my contacts for
>> > > example Kathy, voiceover says iphone text iphone call iphone facetime.
>> > >  But when I go under my husband I only get text and call.  Any ideas?
>> > > Regards
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Re: question about an error message I'm getting with an email account on my Iphone

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Right. So are the 2 companies different ISP's?

On 12/24/15, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> What is your email provider?
>
>
>
> Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors.
>
>> On 24 Dec 2015, at 2:20 am, dacia.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> It happens when I am sending emails on my iPhone from my account through
>> Sentry tile, now I'm Centry link. I have tried sending two separate emails
>> today, to two different sets of people, and I get that message that at
>> least one of the recipients does not except relaying. I have been
>> connected to Wi-Fi one time I tried, and I was not connected the other
>> time.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Dec 23, 2015, at 7:05 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose <b...@benmr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Does this only happen when you're away from home?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ben.
>>>
>>>> On 12/24/15, Dacia Cole <dacia.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I was able to set up a CenturyTel account on my IPhone to receive
>>>> email.  However, whenever I try and reply to any emails from that
>>>> account on the phone it keeps giving me an error that says that such
>>>> and such address does not allow relaying, any idea what this means and
>>>> is it a setting I need to change?
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Dacia
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Re: question about an error message I'm getting with an email account on my Iphone

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Hi,

Does this only happen when you're away from home?

Cheers,
Ben.

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>
> I was able to set up a CenturyTel account on my IPhone to receive
> email.  However, whenever I try and reply to any emails from that
> account on the phone it keeps giving me an error that says that such
> and such address does not allow relaying, any idea what this means and
> is it a setting I need to change?
>
> thanks,
>
> Dacia
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Re: Ibod shuffle, is this what i need?

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

No, this isn't what you need. What you need is any one of the devices
that you were recommended in your previous topic.

On 12/21/15, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> Hello all:
>
> as i told you i need to play music on big speakers, adn i can not use
> my iphone because i don't wnat the voice over sound to go out through
> speakers.
> i found something called ibod shuffle. and i need to ask if i can stop
> the Voice over  without Itunes?
>  will i be able to paly music without hering the Voice over?
>
> Thanks
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Re: Buying an apple tv 2 to streeme music without voice over

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

The cheapest way to do this is to buy a Raspberry Pi and install an
airplay server on it. I have done this multiple times and it works
well.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 12/19/15, Melissa Tucker  wrote:
> I am sorry, but confused because  there are too many cables out there.  I
> will be getting a small tv for Christma. h Whic cable do I need, or might my
> tv come with one?
>
>
> On Dec 18, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> The Apple TV does not have a 3.5mm or other analogue output, only HDMI and
> Optical Digital (Toslink). You would need a converter from Optical to
> Analogue in addition to an Apple TV to make this work.
>
> The Airport Express, as I stated, has a 3.5mm output and you should be able
> to buy it from any place that sells Apple products. You are in Egypt,
> correct? Here you can of course buy it from any Apple Store or the Apple
> Online Store, you can probably find them on Amazon or eBay as well.
>
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Ramy Moustafa
> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 10:12 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Buying an apple tv 2 to streeme music without voice over
>
> Irport express? from where can i get it?
> i will connect the apple tv or anything to 3.5 jack.  will Apple tv 2nd gen
> have this? or is it cheaper to get this airport express?
> thanks.
>
> Ramy moustafa saber
> Musicc instructor at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 17, 2015, at 7:46 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ramy,
>>
>> A second generation Apple TV should do the trick. However, what exactly
>> are you connecting it to? You can't connect it to any speakers directly
>> unless they are powered speakers which have an optical toslink input, the
>> second and third generation Apple TV have only HDMI and optical audio
>> outputs, the new fourth gen Apple TV only has HDMI, no more optical out.
>> Normally you would connect it to an amplifier or receiver which has
>> optical inputs or you could possibly get around this with a converter
>> which converts a digital optical to an analogue signal.
>>
>> Alternatively, you could get an Airport Express, you can also Airplay to
>> it and it has a 3.5mm analogue output which can be connected to powered
>> speakers or an RCA analogue input on an amplifier or receiver.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>
>> but keep in mind that
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Ramy Moustafa
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 9:33 PM
>> To: V Iphone 
>> Subject: Buying an apple tv 2 to streeme music without voice over
>>
>> hello all my friends, and marry christmas to all of you.
>> i need to play music from my iphone or Ipad on big speakers, and if i use
>> the iphone headphone jack, voice ofer will speak with the music,  My
>> friend told me to buy an apple tv and play the music on airplay, so i can
>> here the voice over using the headphone jack on my iphone, and i will play
>> the music  through the apple tv.
>> does anyone tried this?  and the apple tv 2 is ok? or i must buy the new
>> which is version 4?
>> thanks.
>>
>> Ramy moustafa saber
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>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
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iPlayer on Apple TV

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

Just a quick note to let everyone know that the BBC iPlayer app for
Apple TV 4 is now available and supports audio description. Enjoy.

Cheers,
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Re: iPlayer on Apple TV

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

It's UK only sorry.

On 12/14/15, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. <kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu> wrote:
> Is this available for US, too? Keith
>
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> Subject: iPlayer on Apple TV
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> Hi,
>
> Just a quick note to let everyone know that the BBC iPlayer app for
> Apple TV 4 is now available and supports audio description. Enjoy.
>
> Cheers,
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Re: iPlayer on Apple TV

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

The app is ok but there are a few issues. For example, the
descriptions of the programmes aren't spoken unless you navigate to a
programme, go back then enter on it again. Additionally, I've noticed
that seemingly random programme names are spoken if you leave focus on
a programme on the main screen. Navigating by word also appears to be
broken.
Definitely a good effort though & the live TV is a welcome extra.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 12/14/15, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote:
> Hi Andrew, the Apple TV 3rd Generation can't run third-party apps, so sadly
> not. I would be surprised if Apple releases any additional channels for it
> now.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
>
>> On 15/12/2015, at 11:03 AM, Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com> wrote:
>>
>> Wil this app work with apple tv 3rd generation?
>>> On 14 Dec 2015, at 21:18, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org
>>> <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> They have done an absolutely fantastic job with this app. It's fully
>>> accessible, you can watch all the BBC channels live, and the on-demand
>>> programming is well organised. This in conjunction with the recent tvOS
>>> update, Pandora, and a few other new apps is making the new Apple TV very
>>> attractive.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/>
>>>> On 15/12/2015, at 3:31 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose <b...@benmr.com
>>>> <mailto:b...@benmr.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's UK only sorry.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/14/15, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. <kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu
>>>> <mailto:kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu>> wrote:
>>>>> Is this available for US, too? Keith
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Ben Mustill-Rose
>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 6:23 AM
>>>>> To: viphone
>>>>> Cc: BCAB Discussion List
>>>>> Subject: iPlayer on Apple TV
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a quick note to let everyone know that the BBC iPlayer app for
>>>>> Apple TV 4 is now available and supports audio description. Enjoy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Ben.
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Re: apple tv 4th generation thoughts

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>>>>> I personally feel that we need to secure several options for ourselves
>>>>> now to be assured of good access to technology. I do feel we need to
>>>>> stay in touch with Apple in a very active sense. I also feel we need to
>>>>> look at all technology options besides Apple products and similarly
>>>>> stay actively in touch with their respective developers and / or
>>>>> companies as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> I personally intend to stay with Apple products for the majority of my
>>>>> tech needs, but quite honestly, I also feel the time is now in general,
>>>>> in the tech world where the awareness level is much better than it ever
>>>>> has been. Discussions are happening; conferences are covering access. I
>>>>> see more discussion now on programming forums about accessibility and
>>>>> interested developers asking questions. etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> My point is that Apple has been a true trailblazer here and while I
>>>>> hope they find it in themselves to improve what they are doing now, I
>>>>> feel that we need to really make our voices heard in general so that
>>>>> accessibility can really be a forefront topic of conversation for
>>>>> technology in general.
>>>>>
>>>>> This can only benefit us...
>>>>>
>>>>> I would welcome others' opinions on this as well. What are your
>>>>> thoughts? How do you feel we should address these issues?
>>>>>
>>>>> As I said I am by no means ditching Apple here. The truth is, I love my
>>>>> Apple products  and I love the fact that they have Voiceover. It's just
>>>>> that it's a love / hate relationship sometimes now. That's all! :)
>>>>>
>>>>> So what do you think? Chime in if you like...
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks so much for reading and please do have a wonderful rest of your
>>>>> weekend and happy holiday season!
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>
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>>>>> On Nov 29, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose <b...@benmr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This is correct, but this simply shouldn't be the case. As it stands,
>>>>> given the lack of apps and the VO issues, I have to add a few caveats
>>>>> whenever I recommend that someone buys one because in my opinion it
>>>>> simply isn't ready for primetime yet. The TV has been shipping for
>>>>> around a month now and I haven't noticed any updates to the OS to fix
>>>>> any of the issues that I and others have experienced. Some will argue
>>>>> that I should email the accessibility address, but we're talking about
>>>>> some really obvious issues here - E.G. "poster" being spoken instead
>>>>> of app names and Siri screens being inaccessible. These are things
>>>>> that Apple know about and have chosen not to fix. I'm confident that
>>>>> at some point in the future these issues will be resolved, but when?
>>>>> Should we really be content with spending what is for most people a
>>>>> fairly large amount of money on a device in the hope that at some
>>>>> point in the future it will be fully accessible?
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/29/15, MamaPeach <mamapeac...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> The new Apple TV, with updates, will improve over time, just like
>>>>>> anything
>>>>>> else that is newly released, such as any new versions of IOS. It
>>>>>> takes
>>>>>> people letting them know what issues they encounter in order for them
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> consider fixing them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: Ben Mustill-Rose
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 7:49 PM
>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: apple tv 4th generation thoughts
>>>

Re: apple tv 4th generation thoughts

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

This is correct, but this simply shouldn't be the case. As it stands,
given the lack of apps and the VO issues, I have to add a few caveats
whenever I recommend that someone buys one because in my opinion it
simply isn't ready for primetime yet. The TV has been shipping for
around a month now and I haven't noticed any updates to the OS to fix
any of the issues that I and others have experienced. Some will argue
that I should email the accessability address, but we're talking about
some really obvious issues here - E.G. "poster" being spoken instead
of app names and Siri screens being inaccessible. These are things
that Apple know about and have chosen not to fix. I'm confident that
at some point in the future these issues will be resolved, but when?
Should we really be content with spending what is for most people a
fairly large amount of money on a device in the hope that at some
point in the future it will be fully accessible?

On 11/29/15, MamaPeach <mamapeac...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The new Apple TV, with updates, will improve over time, just like anything
> else that is newly released, such as any new versions of IOS. It takes
> people letting them know what issues they encounter in order for them to
> consider fixing them.
>
> -----Original Message-
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> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 7:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple tv 4th generation thoughts
>
> Hi,
>
> It's good but still feels like a bit of a beta product. The remote has
> sensitivity issues - E.G. I unknowingly purchased a film when it was
> in my pocket and there are some annoying VO issues but nothing that is
> a show stopper in my opinion.
> Given the fairly small range of apps available at the moment it's
> definitely expensive for what it is, but hopefully this situation will
> improve in the future.
>
> Cheers,
> Ben.
>
> On 11/28/15, Larry Lumpkin <llump...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>> Hello all.  I'd appreciate anyone's thoughts concerning the apple tv 4.
>> Do
>> you like it? Do you not like it? Why not? Etc.  thanks very much.
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Re: How does Siri work on Apple TV 4?

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

It works out of the box and with the provided remote although its
functionality is quite limited at the moment. What sort of things do
you want it to do?

Cheers,
Ben.

On 11/29/15, Sherrie  wrote:
> I am planning to get the Apple TV 4 for my husband for Christmas because I
> think Siri would make it easier for him as although he is sighted he is
> totally electronically challenged!
> Does Siri work out of the box so to speak. I saw somewhere where there was a
> Siri remote. Doesn’t Siri  work with the remote that comes with the Apple TV
> 4?
> Thanks in advance,
> Sherrie
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Re: apple tv 4th generation thoughts

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

It's good but still feels like a bit of a beta product. The remote has
sensitivity issues - E.G. I unknowingly purchased a film when it was
in my pocket and there are some annoying VO issues but nothing that is
a show stopper in my opinion.
Given the fairly small range of apps available at the moment it's
definitely expensive for what it is, but hopefully this situation will
improve in the future.

Cheers,
Ben.

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Re: Apple TV 4th Gen, no voice over in Hulu

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

It's Hulu unfortunately.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 11/16/15, Tom Rash  wrote:
> Got the Apple TV 4th Gen.  Works great.  How ever, when going into Hulu,
> Voice over does not work.  Is this a probelm others are experiencing?  Or
> is
> it a Hulu update problem? or Apple?Thanks.
>
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Re: IPhone 4s with IOs7.1.1 to upgrade or wait?

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Hi,

Definitely upgrade; at this point there are some fairly major security
issues with iOS7.

Cheers,
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On 11/14/15, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>   HI listers
> I'm confident I'll get varied but honest answers on the question of
> should i upgrade to the latest IOs on a 16GB 4S with IOs7.1.1? both pros
> and cons, or should I wait a few months until maybe 9.3 comes out with
> bug fixes etc?
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Re: New Apple remote

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

Assuming that the charging port is facing towards you, starting with
the left colum going from top to bottom it's back, Siri and play /
pause. The right colum, also going from top to bottom is home and a
volume up / down control.

Cheers,
Ben.



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Re: Bluetooth keyboard and Apple fourth-generation TV

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

In my opinion, the Os, poticually Siri leaves a lot to be desired at
the moment, not to mention that there are some very obvious VO bugs
that really should have been fixed before release.
On a somewhat related note, I've found that if you keep the new remote
in your pocket it will sometimes activate various things as you walk
about. Yesterday I was tidying my bedroom with the remote in my pocket
and as a result, unbeknownst to me, the Apple TV (which is located in
my sitting room) purchased a film. Unfortunately the first I knew of
said purchase was when the film started playing, by which time it was
too late.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 11/1/15, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh boy! That sounds like a big step back. Hopefully, they will fix this in
> the coming months.
> Mary
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>> On Oct 31, 2015, at 8:40 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose <b...@benmr.com> wrote:
>>
>> I've tried and it doesn't work. Unfortunately as you say the new
>> keyboard layout is even worse than the old one and even though the TV
>> has Siri you don't appear to be able to use dictation.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ben.
>>
>>> On 11/1/15, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> For those of you who have the new AppleTV, has any of you tried
>>> connecting
>>> it with an apple or other Bluetooth keyboard and what have your results
>>> been? I saw an article in some tech blogger other today commenting on
>>> the
>>> fact that typing stuff on the screen is now much more difficult, because
>>> they don't have the grid that they used to have for use with the remote.
>>> It
>>> is apparently one long line of letters and one long line of numbers. And
>>> the
>>> author was complaining that this was very much a pain in the butt. They
>>> did
>>> not say anything about using a Bluetooth keyboard, making me think that
>>> that
>>> might not be an option. So, what say you?
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard and Apple fourth-generation TV

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

I've tried and it doesn't work. Unfortunately as you say the new
keyboard layout is even worse than the old one and even though the TV
has Siri you don't appear to be able to use dictation.

Cheers,
Ben.

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> fact that typing stuff on the screen is now much more difficult, because
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