Hi, Out of interest, what content do you want to watch that requires flash and that doesn't have an app or an iOS friendly website?
Cheers, Ben. On 11/30/15, Gianni <gianni.morel...@gmail.com> wrote: > Friends, > I have an Apple tv 3gen. I wanted to buy an Apple tv4. I use it to listen to > my itunes library, watch Netflix and Youtube. I'm grad I didn't buy a new > one, because I don't think it has a lot of added value. Okay you can get > apps on it. But are there a lot of things you can't do on your Apple tv3. > > I would like to have an internet browser on my Appletv which can play flash > on websites. That would be cool. But that ain't possible. So nothing extra > for me there. > > > > Gianni > > Skype: giannijuve > Sent from my iPhone > >> Op 30-nov.-2015 om 19:48 heeft Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> het >> volgende geschreven: >> >> Hello, >> This is off topic, I know. But, in general, the quality of everything is >> dropping, even note takers. I have had nothing but keyboard issues with >> the HIMS braille sense. The IOS devices will never have that.... (smile) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Date: Monday, November 30, 2015 5:02 pm >> Subject: Re: apple tv 4th generation thoughts >> >>> >>> >>> Amen. Apple is the richest tech company in the world. Unless they come >>> out publicly and say they acknowledged a lot of bugs, but just can't find >>> enough talented and qualified people to squash them all, they have zero >>> excuse. None. But as long as we all keep buying this half baked, half >>> finished software, and let them off the hook for several months, and let >>> some bugs keep piling up, there will be no incentive. The only thing >>> companies understand his bottom line. And clearly, the drop in quality is >>> not hurting Apple one little bit. Not among the blind, and not among the >>> sighted The whole industry is getting away with sloppiness. It is >>> certainly not just Apple. I have been experimenting again with android. >>> And believe me, the grass is definitely not greener on that side of the >>> fence from the blind person screen reader user point of view. It may have >>> some advantages. But efficient use is not one of them. >>> >>> Mary >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Nov 29, 2015, at 9:27 PM, Cristóbal <crismuno...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> These are all salient points to consider, but also considering the sheer >>>> amount of cash Apple has at its disposal, I'm reluctant to cut Apple >>>> much if any slack on problematic issues like this. They have the >>>> resources available to them that if they wanted to make dealing with and >>>> avoiding accessibility bugs and limitations a priority, they could do so >>>> without skipping a beat. I mean come on, they have so much available >>>> cash on hand that they make Scrooge McDuck look like some bum scrounging >>>> for quarters in the gutter. >>>> There is absolutely no reason why their accessibility department or any >>>> department under the Apple umbrella should be understaffed or stretched >>>> thin.. >>>> Even with the new Apple TV OS aside, a lot of these bugs already >>>> discussed are either newly introduced bugs not present in older >>>> iterations of software or hardware or have solutions to them when using >>>> alternative assistive technology I.E. Windows screen readers, Android >>>> OS, etc. Often pretty basic and essential stuff. Cara's highlighting of >>>> the dial tone bug with VO is a perfect example of this. >>>> I can understand the challenges where you're developing new technologies >>>> and figuring out stuff as you go along, and maybe in this case, there >>>> simply aren't enough people or knowledge out there to address all the >>>> inevitable road blocks that pop up as part of the process, but for well >>>> established fields and problems that at this point shouldn't be problems >>>> anymore, again, no slack to be cut. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>> Behalf Of Marshall Scott >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 3:29 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: apple tv 4th generation thoughts >>>> >>>> I think there are two major reasons for the recent problems with >>>> accessibility at Apple. The first is that Apple now has to develop and >>>> support software and hardware for four product lines. These lines are >>>> OS X, iOS for iDevices, the apple Watch and finally Apple TV. Apple >>>> also has to support older devices like the iPhone 4S. The differences >>>> between these products may be slight but they have to be tested. >>>> The second issue is that Apple has decided on a 12 month release >>>> schedule.. As a former programmer, I feel like this is too short a >>>> development cycle to really fix bugs in software >>>> Just my opinion. >>>> Marshall >>>> >>>>> On Nov 29, 2015, at 11:20 AM, Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ben, I couldn't agree with you more here. >>>>> >>>>> I feel now that the more we are complacent about quietly dealing with >>>>> the mounting accessibility issues over the various OS roll-outs and new >>>>> Apple products, the worse this situation is unfortunately likely to >>>>> become. >>>>> >>>>> The truth is that Apple has been doing incredible things in the access >>>>> world over the last several years and they really should be settling >>>>> into their groove now, not out of it. >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately though, the later seems to be what is happening. >>>>> >>>>> Now I know that the accessibility team is stretched thin and has been >>>>> for some time now, and they are truly committed people who really do >>>>> work hard to make these technologies work for us, but some of these >>>>> issues are QA (quality assurance) issues in my opinion. Some of these >>>>> obvious issues need to be given higher priority than they seem to be >>>>> receiving. Now I know that there is a lot going on inside Apple that I >>>>> am not aware of so some of what I say may be well out of line here, >>>>> (and I do apologize if this is the case) but as a consumer and >>>>> long-time advocate of Appel's efforts, I feel I do have some right to >>>>> express these sentiments. >>>>> >>>>> The people on the accessibility team are awesome folks but the fact is >>>>> that more and more, visually impaired consumers are having to deal with >>>>> what I do feel is becoming somewhat second-rate access experiences with >>>>> some Apple products and /or OS releases. This is simply unacceptable. >>>>> >>>>> I know this is anything but intentional on the part of the access team >>>>> but it is still simply unacceptable and I feel this needs to be said. >>>>> >>>>> to illustrate this, when iOS 8 came out, one extremely serious issue >>>>> was the sticking touch tones (which would prevent people from making >>>>> calls) on the iPhone. Who on earth let this walk out the door? Who >>>>> thought that this would be okay? For God's sake, the iPhone is first >>>>> and foremost a phone after all, and to have that very function released >>>>> with such an incapacitating bug for users of Voiceover is so far beyond >>>>> crazy that I honestly cannot express myself here within this list's >>>>> language guidelines. >>>>> >>>>> If you are tasked with testing a phone, what is the first thing you >>>>> test? Can you make a call? Can you do it again? Can you do it five more >>>>> times? Can you make the call on the other models of phone you produce? >>>>> You get the idea... >>>>> >>>>> As I have recently said on another list, Apple has the pick of the >>>>> cream of the crop of engineers, designers and any other professionals >>>>> it requires. So why is this happening? What is the excuse?... >>>>> >>>>> Honestly, there is none... >>>>> >>>>> So what do we do about it? Certainly, posting here can be cathartic but >>>>> it may not reach those it needs to. Yes, we can write >>>>> accessibil...@apple.com however, those communications may not actually >>>>> go directly to the engineers in the accessibility department like it >>>>> used to. >>>>> >>>>> I personally feel that we need to secure several options for ourselves >>>>> now to be assured of good access to technology. I do feel we need to >>>>> stay in touch with Apple in a very active sense. I also feel we need to >>>>> look at all technology options besides Apple products and similarly >>>>> stay actively in touch with their respective developers and / or >>>>> companies as well. >>>>> >>>>> I personally intend to stay with Apple products for the majority of my >>>>> tech needs, but quite honestly, I also feel the time is now in general, >>>>> in the tech world where the awareness level is much better than it ever >>>>> has been. Discussions are happening; conferences are covering access. I >>>>> see more discussion now on programming forums about accessibility and >>>>> interested developers asking questions. etc. >>>>> >>>>> My point is that Apple has been a true trailblazer here and while I >>>>> hope they find it in themselves to improve what they are doing now, I >>>>> feel that we need to really make our voices heard in general so that >>>>> accessibility can really be a forefront topic of conversation for >>>>> technology in general. >>>>> >>>>> This can only benefit us... >>>>> >>>>> I would welcome others' opinions on this as well. What are your >>>>> thoughts? How do you feel we should address these issues? >>>>> >>>>> As I said I am by no means ditching Apple here. The truth is, I love my >>>>> Apple products and I love the fact that they have Voiceover. It's just >>>>> that it's a love / hate relationship sometimes now. That's all! :) >>>>> >>>>> So what do you think? Chime in if you like... >>>>> >>>>> Thanks so much for reading and please do have a wonderful rest of your >>>>> weekend and happy holiday season! >>>>> >>>>> Cheers! >>>>> >>>>> Cara >>>>> --- >>>>> iOS design and development - LookTel.com >>>>> --- >>>>> View my Online Portfolio at: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.onemodelplace.com/models/Cara-Quinn >>>>> >>>>> Follow me on Twitter! >>>>> >>>>> https://twitter.com/ModelCara >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 29, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose <b...@benmr.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This is correct, but this simply shouldn't be the case. As it stands, >>>>> given the lack of apps and the VO issues, I have to add a few caveats >>>>> whenever I recommend that someone buys one because in my opinion it >>>>> simply isn't ready for primetime yet. The TV has been shipping for >>>>> around a month now and I haven't noticed any updates to the OS to fix >>>>> any of the issues that I and others have experienced. Some will argue >>>>> that I should email the accessibility address, but we're talking about >>>>> some really obvious issues here - E.G. "poster" being spoken instead >>>>> of app names and Siri screens being inaccessible. These are things >>>>> that Apple know about and have chosen not to fix. I'm confident that >>>>> at some point in the future these issues will be resolved, but when? >>>>> Should we really be content with spending what is for most people a >>>>> fairly large amount of money on a device in the hope that at some >>>>> point in the future it will be fully accessible? >>>>> >>>>>> On 11/29/15, MamaPeach <mamapeac...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> The new Apple TV, with updates, will improve over time, just like >>>>>> anything >>>>>> else that is newly released, such as any new versions of IOS. It >>>>>> takes >>>>>> people letting them know what issues they encounter in order for them >>>>>> to >>>>>> consider fixing them. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Ben Mustill-Rose >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 7:49 PM >>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: apple tv 4th generation thoughts >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> It's good but still feels like a bit of a beta product. The remote >>>>>> has >>>>>> sensitivity issues - E.G. I unknowingly purchased a film when it was >>>>>> in my pocket and there are some annoying VO issues but nothing that >>>>>> is >>>>>> a show stopper in my opinion. >>>>>> Given the fairly small range of apps available at the moment it's >>>>>> definitely expensive for what it is, but hopefully this situation >>>>>> will >>>>>> improve in the future. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Ben. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 11/28/15, Larry Lumpkin <llump...@austin.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Hello all. I'd appreciate anyone's thoughts concerning the apple tv >>>>>>> 4.. >>>>>>> Do >>>>>>> you like it? Do you not like it? Why not? 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