Re: Notes question

2012-10-26 Thread Rob Harris
I think we don't know enough about how VO works and how big it's text buffer 
is from which it  does it's TTS.

It could be a design flaw we're only just coming to terms with.   I asked a 
question like this about large text files and getting to read them.

R!
- Original Message - 
From: Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: Notes question


I don't know how to resolve the problem, but it sounds like the memory is
getting used up while in the app.

Fred Olver
- Original Message - 
From: Denny Schwab denny.sch...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:45 PM
Subject: Notes question


 Hello,

 After upgrading to 6.0 I have been having an issue when writing in the
 Notes Application.  Usually starting around page 10 or so, I get an
 issue that Voice Over is still saying the characters I have typed,
 catching up to where I had finished.  When I get to page twenty or so
 this problem gets worse, where it takes Voice Over quite a bit longer
 to catch up to where I stopped typing.

 Has anyone else seen this issue?  Any ideas on how to resolve it?

 Thanks,

 Denny

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Re: Notes question

2012-10-26 Thread Scott Howell
I suspect it is not VO. If that were the case it seems the problem would affect 
other apps such as iBooks etc. There is always a possibility that 10 pages of 
notes may be pushing some limit. Seems there is more investigation required. Of 
course I'm not sure the Notes app was ever intended to handle that much text. :)

On Oct 26, 2012, at 3:58 AM, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 I think we don't know enough about how VO works and how big it's text buffer 
 is from which it  does it's TTS.
 
 It could be a design flaw we're only just coming to terms with.   I asked a 
 question like this about large text files and getting to read them.
 
 R!
 - Original Message - 
 From: Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:38 PM
 Subject: Re: Notes question
 
 
 I don't know how to resolve the problem, but it sounds like the memory is
 getting used up while in the app.
 
 Fred Olver
 - Original Message - 
 From: Denny Schwab denny.sch...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:45 PM
 Subject: Notes question
 
 
 Hello,
 
 After upgrading to 6.0 I have been having an issue when writing in the
 Notes Application.  Usually starting around page 10 or so, I get an
 issue that Voice Over is still saying the characters I have typed,
 catching up to where I had finished.  When I get to page twenty or so
 this problem gets worse, where it takes Voice Over quite a bit longer
 to catch up to where I stopped typing.
 
 Has anyone else seen this issue?  Any ideas on how to resolve it?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Denny
 
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Re: Notes question

2012-10-26 Thread Rob Harris
So you're probably right about the amount of text, so we want a real text 
editor so we can do this. Some of us do really write stuff! Pages is a word 
processor for tarting it up afterwards, or as you go even;  but  for 
scribblers,  edit, or some of those  old DOS editors like Boxer and so on, 
would be ideal for this.
Let's not go down the Unix/Linux VI, ELVIS and all those, good when you get 
used to them, but all those commands so counter-intuative.

RobH, looking for suggestions or even recommendations.
- Original Message - 
From: Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: Notes question


I suspect it is not VO. If that were the case it seems the problem would 
affect other apps such as iBooks etc. There is always a possibility that 10 
pages of notes may be pushing some limit. Seems there is more investigation 
required. Of course I'm not sure the Notes app was ever intended to handle 
that much text. :)

On Oct 26, 2012, at 3:58 AM, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 I think we don't know enough about how VO works and how big it's text 
 buffer
 is from which it  does it's TTS.

 It could be a design flaw we're only just coming to terms with.   I asked 
 a
 question like this about large text files and getting to read them.

 R!
 - Original Message - 
 From: Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:38 PM
 Subject: Re: Notes question


 I don't know how to resolve the problem, but it sounds like the memory is
 getting used up while in the app.

 Fred Olver
 - Original Message - 
 From: Denny Schwab denny.sch...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:45 PM
 Subject: Notes question


 Hello,

 After upgrading to 6.0 I have been having an issue when writing in the
 Notes Application.  Usually starting around page 10 or so, I get an
 issue that Voice Over is still saying the characters I have typed,
 catching up to where I had finished.  When I get to page twenty or so
 this problem gets worse, where it takes Voice Over quite a bit longer
 to catch up to where I stopped typing.

 Has anyone else seen this issue?  Any ideas on how to resolve it?

 Thanks,

 Denny

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RE: Notes question

2012-10-26 Thread Richard Turner
If you don't mind sticking with txt files, PlainText is free and very good.
It allows for creating folders and I don't know that you will run into a
problem with length, though I haven't written anything that terribly long.
NoteMaster is another very good text editor.  I believe it runs about $4.00,
but there is a light version you can try to see if you like it.
They both sync with DropBox.

Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rob Harris
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 6:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Notes question

So you're probably right about the amount of text, so we want a real text
editor so we can do this. Some of us do really write stuff! Pages is a word
processor for tarting it up afterwards, or as you go even;  but  for
scribblers,  edit, or some of those  old DOS editors like Boxer and so on,
would be ideal for this.
Let's not go down the Unix/Linux VI, ELVIS and all those, good when you get
used to them, but all those commands so counter-intuative.

RobH, looking for suggestions or even recommendations.
- Original Message -
From: Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: Notes question


I suspect it is not VO. If that were the case it seems the problem would 
affect other apps such as iBooks etc. There is always a possibility that 10 
pages of notes may be pushing some limit. Seems there is more investigation 
required. Of course I'm not sure the Notes app was ever intended to handle 
that much text. :)

On Oct 26, 2012, at 3:58 AM, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 I think we don't know enough about how VO works and how big it's text 
 buffer
 is from which it  does it's TTS.

 It could be a design flaw we're only just coming to terms with.   I asked 
 a
 question like this about large text files and getting to read them.

 R!
 - Original Message - 
 From: Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:38 PM
 Subject: Re: Notes question


 I don't know how to resolve the problem, but it sounds like the memory is
 getting used up while in the app.

 Fred Olver
 - Original Message - 
 From: Denny Schwab denny.sch...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:45 PM
 Subject: Notes question


 Hello,

 After upgrading to 6.0 I have been having an issue when writing in the
 Notes Application.  Usually starting around page 10 or so, I get an
 issue that Voice Over is still saying the characters I have typed,
 catching up to where I had finished.  When I get to page twenty or so
 this problem gets worse, where it takes Voice Over quite a bit longer
 to catch up to where I stopped typing.

 Has anyone else seen this issue?  Any ideas on how to resolve it?

 Thanks,

 Denny

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Re: Notes question

2012-10-26 Thread Scott Howell
Rob,

Don't be knocking' those good old Unix/Linux editors. :) There are a number of 
apps that might do what you want, but not sure what you want. :) Are you just 
looking to take notes or actually put together some documents? You have such an 
array of options I think it might help to know what options you are looking 
for. You have options such as Elements, which is an editor that uses DropBox. I 
am sure some will have a number of suggestions. You might also look at 
http://www.applevis.com and sort through the app directory.

On Oct 26, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 So you're probably right about the amount of text, so we want a real text 
 editor so we can do this. Some of us do really write stuff! Pages is a word 
 processor for tarting it up afterwards, or as you go even;  but  for 
 scribblers,  edit, or some of those  old DOS editors like Boxer and so on, 
 would be ideal for this.
 Let's not go down the Unix/Linux VI, ELVIS and all those, good when you get 
 used to them, but all those commands so counter-intuative.
 
 RobH, looking for suggestions or even recommendations.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:30 AM
 Subject: Re: Notes question
 
 
 I suspect it is not VO. If that were the case it seems the problem would 
 affect other apps such as iBooks etc. There is always a possibility that 10 
 pages of notes may be pushing some limit. Seems there is more investigation 
 required. Of course I'm not sure the Notes app was ever intended to handle 
 that much text. :)
 
 On Oct 26, 2012, at 3:58 AM, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 I think we don't know enough about how VO works and how big it's text 
 buffer
 is from which it  does it's TTS.
 
 It could be a design flaw we're only just coming to terms with.   I asked 
 a
 question like this about large text files and getting to read them.
 
 R!
 - Original Message - 
 From: Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:38 PM
 Subject: Re: Notes question
 
 
 I don't know how to resolve the problem, but it sounds like the memory is
 getting used up while in the app.
 
 Fred Olver
 - Original Message - 
 From: Denny Schwab denny.sch...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:45 PM
 Subject: Notes question
 
 
 Hello,
 
 After upgrading to 6.0 I have been having an issue when writing in the
 Notes Application.  Usually starting around page 10 or so, I get an
 issue that Voice Over is still saying the characters I have typed,
 catching up to where I had finished.  When I get to page twenty or so
 this problem gets worse, where it takes Voice Over quite a bit longer
 to catch up to where I stopped typing.
 
 Has anyone else seen this issue?  Any ideas on how to resolve it?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Denny
 
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Re: Notes question

2012-10-26 Thread Christopher Chaltain
yeah, I always think it's funny how people consider control+x and
control+v to be intuitive, but control+w and control+y to be
unintuitive, especially since many of those Unix editors were around
long before you had any editors in DOS or Windows. Don't confuse
familiarity with intuitiveness! :-) I personally always hate going back
to a DOS/Windows style editor after doing a lot of cutting and pasting
in Emacs!

On 26/10/12 09:51, Scott Howell wrote:
 Rob,
 
 Don't be knocking' those good old Unix/Linux editors. :) There are a number 
 of apps that might do what you want, but not sure what you want. :) Are you 
 just looking to take notes or actually put together some documents? You have 
 such an array of options I think it might help to know what options you are 
 looking for. You have options such as Elements, which is an editor that uses 
 DropBox. I am sure some will have a number of suggestions. You might also 
 look at http://www.applevis.com and sort through the app directory.
 
 On Oct 26, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 So you're probably right about the amount of text, so we want a real text 
 editor so we can do this. Some of us do really write stuff! Pages is a word 
 processor for tarting it up afterwards, or as you go even;  but  for 
 scribblers,  edit, or some of those  old DOS editors like Boxer and so on, 
 would be ideal for this.
 Let's not go down the Unix/Linux VI, ELVIS and all those, good when you get 
 used to them, but all those commands so counter-intuative.

 RobH, looking for suggestions or even recommendations.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:30 AM
 Subject: Re: Notes question


 I suspect it is not VO. If that were the case it seems the problem would 
 affect other apps such as iBooks etc. There is always a possibility that 10 
 pages of notes may be pushing some limit. Seems there is more investigation 
 required. Of course I'm not sure the Notes app was ever intended to handle 
 that much text. :)

 On Oct 26, 2012, at 3:58 AM, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 I think we don't know enough about how VO works and how big it's text 
 buffer
 is from which it  does it's TTS.

 It could be a design flaw we're only just coming to terms with.   I asked 
 a
 question like this about large text files and getting to read them.

 R!
 - Original Message - 
 From: Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:38 PM
 Subject: Re: Notes question


 I don't know how to resolve the problem, but it sounds like the memory is
 getting used up while in the app.

 Fred Olver
 - Original Message - 
 From: Denny Schwab denny.sch...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:45 PM
 Subject: Notes question


 Hello,

 After upgrading to 6.0 I have been having an issue when writing in the
 Notes Application.  Usually starting around page 10 or so, I get an
 issue that Voice Over is still saying the characters I have typed,
 catching up to where I had finished.  When I get to page twenty or so
 this problem gets worse, where it takes Voice Over quite a bit longer
 to catch up to where I stopped typing.

 Has anyone else seen this issue?  Any ideas on how to resolve it?

 Thanks,

 Denny

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Re: Notes question

2012-10-26 Thread Rob Harris
Thanks for these, I'll go look, if the cat gets off the keyboard!

RobH, and Nutty the Kitty sat practically on back of my hand so she can 
flick the keys with her tail.
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From: Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 2:22 PM
Subject: RE: Notes question


If you don't mind sticking with txt files, PlainText is free and very good.
It allows for creating folders and I don't know that you will run into a
problem with length, though I haven't written anything that terribly long.
NoteMaster is another very good text editor.  I believe it runs about $4.00,
but there is a light version you can try to see if you like it.
They both sync with DropBox.

Richard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rob Harris
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 6:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Notes question

So you're probably right about the amount of text, so we want a real text
editor so we can do this. Some of us do really write stuff! Pages is a word
processor for tarting it up afterwards, or as you go even;  but  for
scribblers,  edit, or some of those  old DOS editors like Boxer and so on,
would be ideal for this.
Let's not go down the Unix/Linux VI, ELVIS and all those, good when you get
used to them, but all those commands so counter-intuative.

RobH, looking for suggestions or even recommendations.
- Original Message -
From: Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: Notes question


I suspect it is not VO. If that were the case it seems the problem would
affect other apps such as iBooks etc. There is always a possibility that 10
pages of notes may be pushing some limit. Seems there is more investigation
required. Of course I'm not sure the Notes app was ever intended to handle
that much text. :)

On Oct 26, 2012, at 3:58 AM, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 I think we don't know enough about how VO works and how big it's text
 buffer
 is from which it  does it's TTS.

 It could be a design flaw we're only just coming to terms with.   I asked
 a
 question like this about large text files and getting to read them.

 R!
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 From: Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:38 PM
 Subject: Re: Notes question


 I don't know how to resolve the problem, but it sounds like the memory is
 getting used up while in the app.

 Fred Olver
 - Original Message - 
 From: Denny Schwab denny.sch...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:45 PM
 Subject: Notes question


 Hello,

 After upgrading to 6.0 I have been having an issue when writing in the
 Notes Application.  Usually starting around page 10 or so, I get an
 issue that Voice Over is still saying the characters I have typed,
 catching up to where I had finished.  When I get to page twenty or so
 this problem gets worse, where it takes Voice Over quite a bit longer
 to catch up to where I stopped typing.

 Has anyone else seen this issue?  Any ideas on how to resolve it?

 Thanks,

 Denny

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Re: Notes question

2012-10-26 Thread Denny Schwab
Hello,

I don't think it is a limitation of the Notes application.  This
problem never happened before 6.0.

As far as what I want to do... I write stories and such in Notes.  I
used Pages for a while, but got tired of dealing with the
accessibility issues there.  I want to use something I can use ICloud
to have on both my Mac and my IPhone.

On 10/26/12, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
 yeah, I always think it's funny how people consider control+x and
 control+v to be intuitive, but control+w and control+y to be
 unintuitive, especially since many of those Unix editors were around
 long before you had any editors in DOS or Windows. Don't confuse
 familiarity with intuitiveness! :-) I personally always hate going back
 to a DOS/Windows style editor after doing a lot of cutting and pasting
 in Emacs!

 On 26/10/12 09:51, Scott Howell wrote:
 Rob,

 Don't be knocking' those good old Unix/Linux editors. :) There are a
 number of apps that might do what you want, but not sure what you want. :)
 Are you just looking to take notes or actually put together some
 documents? You have such an array of options I think it might help to know
 what options you are looking for. You have options such as Elements, which
 is an editor that uses DropBox. I am sure some will have a number of
 suggestions. You might also look at http://www.applevis.com and sort
 through the app directory.

 On Oct 26, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 So you're probably right about the amount of text, so we want a real text

 editor so we can do this. Some of us do really write stuff! Pages is a
 word
 processor for tarting it up afterwards, or as you go even;  but  for
 scribblers,  edit, or some of those  old DOS editors like Boxer and so
 on,
 would be ideal for this.
 Let's not go down the Unix/Linux VI, ELVIS and all those, good when you
 get
 used to them, but all those commands so counter-intuative.

 RobH, looking for suggestions or even recommendations.
 - Original Message -
 From: Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:30 AM
 Subject: Re: Notes question


 I suspect it is not VO. If that were the case it seems the problem would

 affect other apps such as iBooks etc. There is always a possibility that
 10
 pages of notes may be pushing some limit. Seems there is more
 investigation
 required. Of course I'm not sure the Notes app was ever intended to
 handle
 that much text. :)

 On Oct 26, 2012, at 3:58 AM, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 I think we don't know enough about how VO works and how big it's text
 buffer
 is from which it  does it's TTS.

 It could be a design flaw we're only just coming to terms with.   I
 asked
 a
 question like this about large text files and getting to read them.

 R!
 - Original Message -
 From: Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:38 PM
 Subject: Re: Notes question


 I don't know how to resolve the problem, but it sounds like the memory
 is
 getting used up while in the app.

 Fred Olver
 - Original Message -
 From: Denny Schwab denny.sch...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:45 PM
 Subject: Notes question


 Hello,

 After upgrading to 6.0 I have been having an issue when writing in the
 Notes Application.  Usually starting around page 10 or so, I get an
 issue that Voice Over is still saying the characters I have typed,
 catching up to where I had finished.  When I get to page twenty or so
 this problem gets worse, where it takes Voice Over quite a bit longer
 to catch up to where I stopped typing.

 Has anyone else seen this issue?  Any ideas on how to resolve it?

 Thanks,

 Denny

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Re: Notes question

2012-10-26 Thread Rob Harris
This is more or less my thing too.  If I open a lengthy file, I want to get 
to my place quickly and easily,  edit or modify quickly and easily,  insert 
and import, or even export text to and from it;  sort of normal editing 
features we've been able to do for years, until we got  the pocket device.

Anybody doing this like I describe?  Using the cmd-arrow keys for block 
marking would have mileage,  so would unix and wordstar concepts like block 
start and block end using ctrl-B and K respectively.  The Wordstar one did 
try to be intuiative about it.

RobH.
- Original Message - 
From: Denny Schwab denny.sch...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: Notes question


Hello,

I don't think it is a limitation of the Notes application.  This
problem never happened before 6.0.

As far as what I want to do... I write stories and such in Notes.  I
used Pages for a while, but got tired of dealing with the
accessibility issues there.  I want to use something I can use ICloud
to have on both my Mac and my IPhone.

On 10/26/12, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
 yeah, I always think it's funny how people consider control+x and
 control+v to be intuitive, but control+w and control+y to be
 unintuitive, especially since many of those Unix editors were around
 long before you had any editors in DOS or Windows. Don't confuse
 familiarity with intuitiveness! :-) I personally always hate going back
 to a DOS/Windows style editor after doing a lot of cutting and pasting
 in Emacs!

 On 26/10/12 09:51, Scott Howell wrote:
 Rob,

 Don't be knocking' those good old Unix/Linux editors. :) There are a
 number of apps that might do what you want, but not sure what you want. 
 :)
 Are you just looking to take notes or actually put together some
 documents? You have such an array of options I think it might help to 
 know
 what options you are looking for. You have options such as Elements, 
 which
 is an editor that uses DropBox. I am sure some will have a number of
 suggestions. You might also look at http://www.applevis.com and sort
 through the app directory.

 On Oct 26, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 So you're probably right about the amount of text, so we want a real 
 text

 editor so we can do this. Some of us do really write stuff! Pages is a
 word
 processor for tarting it up afterwards, or as you go even;  but  for
 scribblers,  edit, or some of those  old DOS editors like Boxer and so
 on,
 would be ideal for this.
 Let's not go down the Unix/Linux VI, ELVIS and all those, good when you
 get
 used to them, but all those commands so counter-intuative.

 RobH, looking for suggestions or even recommendations.
 - Original Message -
 From: Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:30 AM
 Subject: Re: Notes question


 I suspect it is not VO. If that were the case it seems the problem would

 affect other apps such as iBooks etc. There is always a possibility that
 10
 pages of notes may be pushing some limit. Seems there is more
 investigation
 required. Of course I'm not sure the Notes app was ever intended to
 handle
 that much text. :)

 On Oct 26, 2012, at 3:58 AM, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 I think we don't know enough about how VO works and how big it's text
 buffer
 is from which it  does it's TTS.

 It could be a design flaw we're only just coming to terms with.   I
 asked
 a
 question like this about large text files and getting to read them.

 R!
 - Original Message -
 From: Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:38 PM
 Subject: Re: Notes question


 I don't know how to resolve the problem, but it sounds like the memory
 is
 getting used up while in the app.

 Fred Olver
 - Original Message -
 From: Denny Schwab denny.sch...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:45 PM
 Subject: Notes question


 Hello,

 After upgrading to 6.0 I have been having an issue when writing in the
 Notes Application.  Usually starting around page 10 or so, I get an
 issue that Voice Over is still saying the characters I have typed,
 catching up to where I had finished.  When I get to page twenty or so
 this problem gets worse, where it takes Voice Over quite a bit longer
 to catch up to where I stopped typing.

 Has anyone else seen this issue?  Any ideas on how to resolve it?

 Thanks,

 Denny

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Re: Notes question

2012-10-26 Thread Ioana Gandrabur
HI,

I use plaintext for long documents. On iphone 4 it was getting slow after it 
became longer. Have not tried on the 5.
I have not found a good way to find a specific spot in a file other than 
arrowing with the keyboard. However, I found that it does remember where you 
left the cursor even after exiting the app. Have not tested if it does so with 
multiple files.

Hope this helps. I love the dropbox integration!

Best,

Ioana  

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 26, 2012, at 12:38 PM, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 This is more or less my thing too.  If I open a lengthy file, I want to get 
 to my place quickly and easily,  edit or modify quickly and easily,  insert 
 and import, or even export text to and from it;  sort of normal editing 
 features we've been able to do for years, until we got  the pocket device.
 
 Anybody doing this like I describe?  Using the cmd-arrow keys for block 
 marking would have mileage,  so would unix and wordstar concepts like block 
 start and block end using ctrl-B and K respectively.  The Wordstar one did 
 try to be intuiative about it.
 
 RobH.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Denny Schwab denny.sch...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 5:32 PM
 Subject: Re: Notes question
 
 
 Hello,
 
 I don't think it is a limitation of the Notes application.  This
 problem never happened before 6.0.
 
 As far as what I want to do... I write stories and such in Notes.  I
 used Pages for a while, but got tired of dealing with the
 accessibility issues there.  I want to use something I can use ICloud
 to have on both my Mac and my IPhone.
 
 On 10/26/12, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
 yeah, I always think it's funny how people consider control+x and
 control+v to be intuitive, but control+w and control+y to be
 unintuitive, especially since many of those Unix editors were around
 long before you had any editors in DOS or Windows. Don't confuse
 familiarity with intuitiveness! :-) I personally always hate going back
 to a DOS/Windows style editor after doing a lot of cutting and pasting
 in Emacs!
 
 On 26/10/12 09:51, Scott Howell wrote:
 Rob,
 
 Don't be knocking' those good old Unix/Linux editors. :) There are a
 number of apps that might do what you want, but not sure what you want. 
 :)
 Are you just looking to take notes or actually put together some
 documents? You have such an array of options I think it might help to 
 know
 what options you are looking for. You have options such as Elements, 
 which
 is an editor that uses DropBox. I am sure some will have a number of
 suggestions. You might also look at http://www.applevis.com and sort
 through the app directory.
 
 On Oct 26, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 So you're probably right about the amount of text, so we want a real 
 text
 
 editor so we can do this. Some of us do really write stuff! Pages is a
 word
 processor for tarting it up afterwards, or as you go even;  but  for
 scribblers,  edit, or some of those  old DOS editors like Boxer and so
 on,
 would be ideal for this.
 Let's not go down the Unix/Linux VI, ELVIS and all those, good when you
 get
 used to them, but all those commands so counter-intuative.
 
 RobH, looking for suggestions or even recommendations.
 - Original Message -
 From: Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:30 AM
 Subject: Re: Notes question
 
 
 I suspect it is not VO. If that were the case it seems the problem would
 
 affect other apps such as iBooks etc. There is always a possibility that
 10
 pages of notes may be pushing some limit. Seems there is more
 investigation
 required. Of course I'm not sure the Notes app was ever intended to
 handle
 that much text. :)
 
 On Oct 26, 2012, at 3:58 AM, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 I think we don't know enough about how VO works and how big it's text
 buffer
 is from which it  does it's TTS.
 
 It could be a design flaw we're only just coming to terms with.   I
 asked
 a
 question like this about large text files and getting to read them.
 
 R!
 - Original Message -
 From: Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:38 PM
 Subject: Re: Notes question
 
 
 I don't know how to resolve the problem, but it sounds like the memory
 is
 getting used up while in the app.
 
 Fred Olver
 - Original Message -
 From: Denny Schwab denny.sch...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:45 PM
 Subject: Notes question
 
 
 Hello,
 
 After upgrading to 6.0 I have been having an issue when writing in the
 Notes Application.  Usually starting around page 10 or so, I get an
 issue that Voice Over is still saying the characters I have typed,
 catching up to where I had finished.  When I get to page twenty or so
 this problem gets worse, where it takes Voice Over quite a bit longer

Re: Notes question

2012-10-26 Thread David Chittenden
There are many text editors in the App Store. I use documents 2, plain text, 
and have experimented with meteor notes, ever Notes, and a few others.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 27/10/2012, at 2:08, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 So you're probably right about the amount of text, so we want a real text 
 editor so we can do this. Some of us do really write stuff! Pages is a word 
 processor for tarting it up afterwards, or as you go even;  but  for 
 scribblers,  edit, or some of those  old DOS editors like Boxer and so on, 
 would be ideal for this.
 Let's not go down the Unix/Linux VI, ELVIS and all those, good when you get 
 used to them, but all those commands so counter-intuative.
 
 RobH, looking for suggestions or even recommendations.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:30 AM
 Subject: Re: Notes question
 
 
 I suspect it is not VO. If that were the case it seems the problem would 
 affect other apps such as iBooks etc. There is always a possibility that 10 
 pages of notes may be pushing some limit. Seems there is more investigation 
 required. Of course I'm not sure the Notes app was ever intended to handle 
 that much text. :)
 
 On Oct 26, 2012, at 3:58 AM, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 I think we don't know enough about how VO works and how big it's text 
 buffer
 is from which it  does it's TTS.
 
 It could be a design flaw we're only just coming to terms with.   I asked 
 a
 question like this about large text files and getting to read them.
 
 R!
 - Original Message - 
 From: Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:38 PM
 Subject: Re: Notes question
 
 
 I don't know how to resolve the problem, but it sounds like the memory is
 getting used up while in the app.
 
 Fred Olver
 - Original Message - 
 From: Denny Schwab denny.sch...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:45 PM
 Subject: Notes question
 
 
 Hello,
 
 After upgrading to 6.0 I have been having an issue when writing in the
 Notes Application.  Usually starting around page 10 or so, I get an
 issue that Voice Over is still saying the characters I have typed,
 catching up to where I had finished.  When I get to page twenty or so
 this problem gets worse, where it takes Voice Over quite a bit longer
 to catch up to where I stopped typing.
 
 Has anyone else seen this issue?  Any ideas on how to resolve it?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Denny
 
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Re: Notes question

2012-10-26 Thread Ioana Gandrabur
DId any of them provide a good way to find a specific text in the file? In 
other words a text search function?

Plaintext as I stated, does not do this unless I miss something. Could be very 
useful.

Thanks,

Ioana

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 26, 2012, at 4:18 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:

 There are many text editors in the App Store. I use documents 2, plain text, 
 and have experimented with meteor notes, ever Notes, and a few others.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 27/10/2012, at 2:08, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 So you're probably right about the amount of text, so we want a real text 
 editor so we can do this. Some of us do really write stuff! Pages is a word 
 processor for tarting it up afterwards, or as you go even;  but  for 
 scribblers,  edit, or some of those  old DOS editors like Boxer and so on, 
 would be ideal for this.
 Let's not go down the Unix/Linux VI, ELVIS and all those, good when you get 
 used to them, but all those commands so counter-intuative.
 
 RobH, looking for suggestions or even recommendations.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:30 AM
 Subject: Re: Notes question
 
 
 I suspect it is not VO. If that were the case it seems the problem would 
 affect other apps such as iBooks etc. There is always a possibility that 10 
 pages of notes may be pushing some limit. Seems there is more investigation 
 required. Of course I'm not sure the Notes app was ever intended to handle 
 that much text. :)
 
 On Oct 26, 2012, at 3:58 AM, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 I think we don't know enough about how VO works and how big it's text 
 buffer
 is from which it  does it's TTS.
 
 It could be a design flaw we're only just coming to terms with.   I asked 
 a
 question like this about large text files and getting to read them.
 
 R!
 - Original Message - 
 From: Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:38 PM
 Subject: Re: Notes question
 
 
 I don't know how to resolve the problem, but it sounds like the memory is
 getting used up while in the app.
 
 Fred Olver
 - Original Message - 
 From: Denny Schwab denny.sch...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:45 PM
 Subject: Notes question
 
 
 Hello,
 
 After upgrading to 6.0 I have been having an issue when writing in the
 Notes Application.  Usually starting around page 10 or so, I get an
 issue that Voice Over is still saying the characters I have typed,
 catching up to where I had finished.  When I get to page twenty or so
 this problem gets worse, where it takes Voice Over quite a bit longer
 to catch up to where I stopped typing.
 
 Has anyone else seen this issue?  Any ideas on how to resolve it?
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: Notes question

2012-10-26 Thread David Chittenden
Try clearing out your app switcher and then turning your iOS device off and 
then on. Before opening anything else, run notes and see if you continue to 
have the same problem. This is to test if there is a memory issue occurring for 
you. A memory issue is extremely likely if you are running an iPhone 3GS. It is 
also somewhat likely on an iPhone 4. Apple added new features to iOS 6 which 
require more RAM memory use by iOS. Running an app on my iPhone which displays 
amount of memory being used by different running apps, it becomes obvious that 
VO uses a substantial amount of RAM.


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
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On 27/10/2012, at 5:32, Denny Schwab denny.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,
 
 I don't think it is a limitation of the Notes application.  This
 problem never happened before 6.0.
 
 As far as what I want to do... I write stories and such in Notes.  I
 used Pages for a while, but got tired of dealing with the
 accessibility issues there.  I want to use something I can use ICloud
 to have on both my Mac and my IPhone.
 
 On 10/26/12, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
 yeah, I always think it's funny how people consider control+x and
 control+v to be intuitive, but control+w and control+y to be
 unintuitive, especially since many of those Unix editors were around
 long before you had any editors in DOS or Windows. Don't confuse
 familiarity with intuitiveness! :-) I personally always hate going back
 to a DOS/Windows style editor after doing a lot of cutting and pasting
 in Emacs!
 
 On 26/10/12 09:51, Scott Howell wrote:
 Rob,
 
 Don't be knocking' those good old Unix/Linux editors. :) There are a
 number of apps that might do what you want, but not sure what you want. :)
 Are you just looking to take notes or actually put together some
 documents? You have such an array of options I think it might help to know
 what options you are looking for. You have options such as Elements, which
 is an editor that uses DropBox. I am sure some will have a number of
 suggestions. You might also look at http://www.applevis.com and sort
 through the app directory.
 
 On Oct 26, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 So you're probably right about the amount of text, so we want a real text
 
 editor so we can do this. Some of us do really write stuff! Pages is a
 word
 processor for tarting it up afterwards, or as you go even;  but  for
 scribblers,  edit, or some of those  old DOS editors like Boxer and so
 on,
 would be ideal for this.
 Let's not go down the Unix/Linux VI, ELVIS and all those, good when you
 get
 used to them, but all those commands so counter-intuative.
 
 RobH, looking for suggestions or even recommendations.
 - Original Message -
 From: Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:30 AM
 Subject: Re: Notes question
 
 
 I suspect it is not VO. If that were the case it seems the problem would
 
 affect other apps such as iBooks etc. There is always a possibility that
 10
 pages of notes may be pushing some limit. Seems there is more
 investigation
 required. Of course I'm not sure the Notes app was ever intended to
 handle
 that much text. :)
 
 On Oct 26, 2012, at 3:58 AM, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 I think we don't know enough about how VO works and how big it's text
 buffer
 is from which it  does it's TTS.
 
 It could be a design flaw we're only just coming to terms with.   I
 asked
 a
 question like this about large text files and getting to read them.
 
 R!
 - Original Message -
 From: Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:38 PM
 Subject: Re: Notes question
 
 
 I don't know how to resolve the problem, but it sounds like the memory
 is
 getting used up while in the app.
 
 Fred Olver
 - Original Message -
 From: Denny Schwab denny.sch...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:45 PM
 Subject: Notes question
 
 
 Hello,
 
 After upgrading to 6.0 I have been having an issue when writing in the
 Notes Application.  Usually starting around page 10 or so, I get an
 issue that Voice Over is still saying the characters I have typed,
 catching up to where I had finished.  When I get to page twenty or so
 this problem gets worse, where it takes Voice Over quite a bit longer
 to catch up to where I stopped typing.
 
 Has anyone else seen this issue?  Any ideas on how to resolve it?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Denny
 
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Re: Notes question

2012-10-26 Thread David Chittenden
I'm sorry to say, I almost never use find, so don't know.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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On 27/10/2012, at 9:22, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote:

 DId any of them provide a good way to find a specific text in the file? In 
 other words a text search function?
 
 Plaintext as I stated, does not do this unless I miss something. Could be 
 very useful.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Ioana
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 26, 2012, at 4:18 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 There are many text editors in the App Store. I use documents 2, plain text, 
 and have experimented with meteor notes, ever Notes, and a few others.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 27/10/2012, at 2:08, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 So you're probably right about the amount of text, so we want a real text 
 editor so we can do this. Some of us do really write stuff! Pages is a word 
 processor for tarting it up afterwards, or as you go even;  but  for 
 scribblers,  edit, or some of those  old DOS editors like Boxer and so on, 
 would be ideal for this.
 Let's not go down the Unix/Linux VI, ELVIS and all those, good when you get 
 used to them, but all those commands so counter-intuative.
 
 RobH, looking for suggestions or even recommendations.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:30 AM
 Subject: Re: Notes question
 
 
 I suspect it is not VO. If that were the case it seems the problem would 
 affect other apps such as iBooks etc. There is always a possibility that 10 
 pages of notes may be pushing some limit. Seems there is more investigation 
 required. Of course I'm not sure the Notes app was ever intended to handle 
 that much text. :)
 
 On Oct 26, 2012, at 3:58 AM, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 I think we don't know enough about how VO works and how big it's text 
 buffer
 is from which it  does it's TTS.
 
 It could be a design flaw we're only just coming to terms with.   I asked 
 a
 question like this about large text files and getting to read them.
 
 R!
 - Original Message - 
 From: Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:38 PM
 Subject: Re: Notes question
 
 
 I don't know how to resolve the problem, but it sounds like the memory is
 getting used up while in the app.
 
 Fred Olver
 - Original Message - 
 From: Denny Schwab denny.sch...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:45 PM
 Subject: Notes question
 
 
 Hello,
 
 After upgrading to 6.0 I have been having an issue when writing in the
 Notes Application.  Usually starting around page 10 or so, I get an
 issue that Voice Over is still saying the characters I have typed,
 catching up to where I had finished.  When I get to page twenty or so
 this problem gets worse, where it takes Voice Over quite a bit longer
 to catch up to where I stopped typing.
 
 Has anyone else seen this issue?  Any ideas on how to resolve it?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Denny
 
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Notes question

2012-10-25 Thread Denny Schwab
Hello,

After upgrading to 6.0 I have been having an issue when writing in the
Notes Application.  Usually starting around page 10 or so, I get an
issue that Voice Over is still saying the characters I have typed,
catching up to where I had finished.  When I get to page twenty or so
this problem gets worse, where it takes Voice Over quite a bit longer
to catch up to where I stopped typing.

Has anyone else seen this issue?  Any ideas on how to resolve it?

Thanks,

Denny

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Re: Notes question

2012-10-25 Thread Ioana Gandrabur
I never used notes to write texts that are that long. I know in the app 
plaintext vo starts lagging when the document became long. At least it did so 
on iphone 5 in old ios.

DOes not help much but maybe work around by separating in multiple parts?

Best,

Ioana

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On Oct 25, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Denny Schwab denny.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,
 
 After upgrading to 6.0 I have been having an issue when writing in the
 Notes Application.  Usually starting around page 10 or so, I get an
 issue that Voice Over is still saying the characters I have typed,
 catching up to where I had finished.  When I get to page twenty or so
 this problem gets worse, where it takes Voice Over quite a bit longer
 to catch up to where I stopped typing.
 
 Has anyone else seen this issue?  Any ideas on how to resolve it?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Denny
 
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Re: Notes question

2012-10-25 Thread Fred Olver
I don't know how to resolve the problem, but it sounds like the memory is 
getting used up while in the app.


Fred Olver
- Original Message - 
From: Denny Schwab denny.sch...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:45 PM
Subject: Notes question



Hello,

After upgrading to 6.0 I have been having an issue when writing in the
Notes Application.  Usually starting around page 10 or so, I get an
issue that Voice Over is still saying the characters I have typed,
catching up to where I had finished.  When I get to page twenty or so
this problem gets worse, where it takes Voice Over quite a bit longer
to catch up to where I stopped typing.

Has anyone else seen this issue?  Any ideas on how to resolve it?

Thanks,

Denny

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