Re: Apple iPhone versus android software
There are trade lists, we have at least 3 over here, where you get a good portion of the cost back, which you then put towards the next one with cell data too. Folk have traded cars this way since their invention. Rh. - Original Message - From: Tina Murphy tmurph...@nycap.rr.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 10:50 PM Subject: Re: Apple iPhone versus android software Yeah, but I bought an IPad Mini without WIFI, not realizing that the places I usually want to work with it don't have accessible WIFI. I like my Mini, and want to use it, but really can't afford to buy another one. The Androids seem to be less expensive. Tina ** Let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action. -- 1 John 3:18 - Original Message - From: Sadam Ahmed sadamahmed1...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 9:51 AM Subject: Re: Apple iPhone versus android software Bare in mind that the Nexus 7 lacks LTE speeds unlike the iPad mini. Kind regards, Mr Sadam Ahmed Diploma of business management/logistics the AshMark Institute of Australia. Ltd. ABN: 41360 Mobile: 0435892944 Skype: Sadamahmed1992 Sent from my iPhone. -- On 26/05/2013, at 3:11 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, There is a version of the nexus 7 with cellular data. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 25, 2013, at 9:11 PM, Tina Murphy tmurph...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Are there any Android tablets with cellular connection like the IPad Mini? I've looked and looked, and can't seem to find one. Thanks. Tina ** Let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action. -- 1 John 3:18 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com
Re: Apple iPhone versus android software
Hi, The nexus7 has a wifey and data 3G mottle. HTH. Matthew Sent from my iPhone On May 25, 2013, at 9:11 PM, Tina Murphy tmurph...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Are there any Android tablets with cellular connection like the IPad Mini? I've looked and looked, and can't seem to find one. Thanks. Tina ** Let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action. -- 1 John 3:18 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Apple iPhone versus android software
Hi, Yes, it is not a phone. It also does not have the Google App Store built in to the rom. -Steve -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tina Murphy Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 7:59 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple iPhone versus android software Steve, is this WIFI only? Thanks so much, Tina ** Let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action. -- 1 John 3:18 - Original Message - From: Steve Sweeney n4o...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 12:06 PM Subject: RE: Apple iPhone versus android software Hi, I just picked up a little tablet running Android Jellybean 4.1 to play with. Our Big Lots, here in Orlando has them for $80 so not that much to lose. I want to learn the OS and see how much I can use it by myself. Should be interesting; -Steve -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tina Murphy Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 6:18 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple iPhone versus android software Thanks. I'm definitely doing research before I buy, if I do. Tina ** Let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action. -- 1 John 3:18 - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 11:56 AM Subject: Re: Apple iPhone versus android software Hi Tina, Before you buy an android tablet, you may want to listen to this weeks pop tech jam Here's a link. http://www.poptechjam.com/category/podcast/#.UZ-LxGS9Kc0 Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. On May 24, 2013, at 4:36 AM, Tina Murphy tmurph...@nycap.rr.com wrote: I had an Android phone when we were in 2.3, and just couldn't figure it out. I'm thinking of getting a tablet, now that Android is more accessible. I do remember that the apps showed everything they wanted permission to. If I didn't like what they were looking into on my phone, I didn't download the app. Tina ** Let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action. -- 1 John 3:18 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Re: Apple iPhone versus android software
Bare in mind that the Nexus 7 lacks LTE speeds unlike the iPad mini. Kind regards, Mr Sadam Ahmed Diploma of business management/logistics the AshMark Institute of Australia. Ltd. ABN: 41360 Mobile: 0435892944 Skype: Sadamahmed1992 Sent from my iPhone. -- On 26/05/2013, at 3:11 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, There is a version of the nexus 7 with cellular data. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 25, 2013, at 9:11 PM, Tina Murphy tmurph...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Are there any Android tablets with cellular connection like the IPad Mini? I've looked and looked, and can't seem to find one. Thanks. Tina ** Let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action. -- 1 John 3:18 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple iPhone versus android software
Yeah, but I bought an IPad Mini without WIFI, not realizing that the places I usually want to work with it don't have accessible WIFI. I like my Mini, and want to use it, but really can't afford to buy another one. The Androids seem to be less expensive. Tina ** Let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action. -- 1 John 3:18 - Original Message - From: Sadam Ahmed sadamahmed1...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 9:51 AM Subject: Re: Apple iPhone versus android software Bare in mind that the Nexus 7 lacks LTE speeds unlike the iPad mini. Kind regards, Mr Sadam Ahmed Diploma of business management/logistics the AshMark Institute of Australia. Ltd. ABN: 41360 Mobile: 0435892944 Skype: Sadamahmed1992 Sent from my iPhone. -- On 26/05/2013, at 3:11 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, There is a version of the nexus 7 with cellular data. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 25, 2013, at 9:11 PM, Tina Murphy tmurph...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Are there any Android tablets with cellular connection like the IPad Mini? I've looked and looked, and can't seem to find one. Thanks. Tina ** Let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action. -- 1 John 3:18 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Apple iPhone versus android software
Hi, I just picked up a little tablet running Android Jellybean 4.1 to play with. Our Big Lots, here in Orlando has them for $80 so not that much to lose. I want to learn the OS and see how much I can use it by myself. Should be interesting; -Steve -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tina Murphy Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 6:18 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple iPhone versus android software Thanks. I'm definitely doing research before I buy, if I do. Tina ** Let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action. -- 1 John 3:18 - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 11:56 AM Subject: Re: Apple iPhone versus android software Hi Tina, Before you buy an android tablet, you may want to listen to this weeks pop tech jam Here's a link. http://www.poptechjam.com/category/podcast/#.UZ-LxGS9Kc0 Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. On May 24, 2013, at 4:36 AM, Tina Murphy tmurph...@nycap.rr.com wrote: I had an Android phone when we were in 2.3, and just couldn't figure it out. I'm thinking of getting a tablet, now that Android is more accessible. I do remember that the apps showed everything they wanted permission to. If I didn't like what they were looking into on my phone, I didn't download the app. Tina ** Let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action. -- 1 John 3:18 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple iPhone versus android software
Steve, is this WIFI only? Thanks so much, Tina ** Let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action. -- 1 John 3:18 - Original Message - From: Steve Sweeney n4o...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 12:06 PM Subject: RE: Apple iPhone versus android software Hi, I just picked up a little tablet running Android Jellybean 4.1 to play with. Our Big Lots, here in Orlando has them for $80 so not that much to lose. I want to learn the OS and see how much I can use it by myself. Should be interesting; -Steve -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tina Murphy Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 6:18 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple iPhone versus android software Thanks. I'm definitely doing research before I buy, if I do. Tina ** Let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action. -- 1 John 3:18 - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 11:56 AM Subject: Re: Apple iPhone versus android software Hi Tina, Before you buy an android tablet, you may want to listen to this weeks pop tech jam Here's a link. http://www.poptechjam.com/category/podcast/#.UZ-LxGS9Kc0 Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. On May 24, 2013, at 4:36 AM, Tina Murphy tmurph...@nycap.rr.com wrote: I had an Android phone when we were in 2.3, and just couldn't figure it out. I'm thinking of getting a tablet, now that Android is more accessible. I do remember that the apps showed everything they wanted permission to. If I didn't like what they were looking into on my phone, I didn't download the app. Tina ** Let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action. -- 1 John 3:18 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit
Re: Apple iPhone versus android software
Are there any Android tablets with cellular connection like the IPad Mini? I've looked and looked, and can't seem to find one. Thanks. Tina ** Let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action. -- 1 John 3:18 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Apple iPhone versus android software
I take that question back. It's off topic. Thanks. Tina ** Let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action. -- 1 John 3:18 - Original Message - From: Tina Murphy tmurph...@nycap.rr.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 9:11 PM Subject: Re: Apple iPhone versus android software Are there any Android tablets with cellular connection like the IPad Mini? I've looked and looked, and can't seem to find one. Thanks. Tina ** Let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action. -- 1 John 3:18 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hi, There is a version of the nexus 7 with cellular data. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 25, 2013, at 9:11 PM, Tina Murphy tmurph...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Are there any Android tablets with cellular connection like the IPad Mini? I've looked and looked, and can't seem to find one. Thanks. Tina ** Let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action. -- 1 John 3:18 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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I had an Android phone when we were in 2.3, and just couldn't figure it out. I'm thinking of getting a tablet, now that Android is more accessible. I do remember that the apps showed everything they wanted permission to. If I didn't like what they were looking into on my phone, I didn't download the app. Tina ** Let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action. -- 1 John 3:18 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hi Tina, Before you buy an android tablet, you may want to listen to this weeks pop tech jam Here's a link. http://www.poptechjam.com/category/podcast/#.UZ-LxGS9Kc0 Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. On May 24, 2013, at 4:36 AM, Tina Murphy tmurph...@nycap.rr.com wrote: I had an Android phone when we were in 2.3, and just couldn't figure it out. I'm thinking of getting a tablet, now that Android is more accessible. I do remember that the apps showed everything they wanted permission to. If I didn't like what they were looking into on my phone, I didn't download the app. Tina ** Let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action. -- 1 John 3:18 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Thanks. I'm definitely doing research before I buy, if I do. Tina ** Let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action. -- 1 John 3:18 - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 11:56 AM Subject: Re: Apple iPhone versus android software Hi Tina, Before you buy an android tablet, you may want to listen to this weeks pop tech jam Here's a link. http://www.poptechjam.com/category/podcast/#.UZ-LxGS9Kc0 Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. On May 24, 2013, at 4:36 AM, Tina Murphy tmurph...@nycap.rr.com wrote: I had an Android phone when we were in 2.3, and just couldn't figure it out. I'm thinking of getting a tablet, now that Android is more accessible. I do remember that the apps showed everything they wanted permission to. If I didn't like what they were looking into on my phone, I didn't download the app. Tina ** Let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action. -- 1 John 3:18 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hello all, being a techy myself, Android always interests me. The question I have is, how about the amount of accessible apps on Android? My iPhone has dozens upon dozens of apps for radio streaming, games, productivity, etc. Would I find that level of usability on Android at this point? I often read how far Android has come in accessibility, but I have not red much in terms of all the android apps a blind user may have. Thanks, Traci On May 19, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, IDK, they are adding new feature but, most of them IOS had from the start. For example, navigating web pages by links, headings, etc. I think there comes a point where you don't really need to add more accessibility features, you just refine the ones you have. This in my opinion is where Apple is while, Android is still adding some essential accessibility features. And even then, not all devices running Android will have them. This makes more work for the blind consumer. This is actually one of my biggest gripes with the platform. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 19, 2013, at 12:53 PM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote: Hi, I teach both, and prefer android. Apple accessibility is definitely more seamless than androids. Android's commitment to accessibility is firm, but it is more fragmented as some one else said, and they haven't had nearly as long to get it right as apple has. On the other hand, accessibility has somewhat stagnated on the I platform. There's nothing new and exciting. Where-as android is still adding new features and supports. For a lot of my clients, IOS is still the way to go, but there's nothing I personally want to do on IOS that I can't do on android. Mail, calendar, contacts, sms, skype, tunin radio. In fact there are some things that android has which IOS currently doesn't, such as an accessible diabetes management system with sugar monitoring hardware, and a full featured onboard GPS for the blind. Android devices can be had cheeper or more expensive depending on what you want and your carrier. Android peripherals are cheaper overall, or you can get a phone with the hardware you want built in, such as qwerty keyboards and FM receivers. Android plans tend to be cheaper than IPhone plans even without an agreement/term/bulloni-contract nonsense. ANdroid gives you flexibility over system voices and input methods and other system tweaks that can be very important to blind people without jailbreaking and voiding your warrantee. So, there are benefits, and I have clients who choose either or depending on what their needs ar.e I think they ar both good options at this point and I appreciate having the choice. Best, Erik Burggraaf Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2013-05-19, at 8:04 AM, James Lockwood lockwoo...@gmail.com wrote: It has been a year or so since I attempted to use an android phone. Is it other peoples experience that the android software is relatively inaccessible to completely blind users? Is that still the case? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive,
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Yes, you would be quite pleased. A lot of the apps you are used to on your IPhone are usable on android. Skype, tunein radio, ebay, paypal, redlaser. transit apps, gps apps, and more. Often i Read about apps on Viphone and go looking for android equivilants with good results. Then there are some that are only built for android, such as the Emusic app, the myglugohealth app, the near-by explorer gps for the blind and so on. Best, Erik Burggraaf Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2013-05-22, at 12:37 PM, Traci our4p...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, being a techy myself, Android always interests me. The question I have is, how about the amount of accessible apps on Android? My iPhone has dozens upon dozens of apps for radio streaming, games, productivity, etc. Would I find that level of usability on Android at this point? I often read how far Android has come in accessibility, but I have not red much in terms of all the android apps a blind user may have. Thanks, Traci On May 19, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, IDK, they are adding new feature but, most of them IOS had from the start. For example, navigating web pages by links, headings, etc. I think there comes a point where you don't really need to add more accessibility features, you just refine the ones you have. This in my opinion is where Apple is while, Android is still adding some essential accessibility features. And even then, not all devices running Android will have them. This makes more work for the blind consumer. This is actually one of my biggest gripes with the platform. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 19, 2013, at 12:53 PM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote: Hi, I teach both, and prefer android. Apple accessibility is definitely more seamless than androids. Android's commitment to accessibility is firm, but it is more fragmented as some one else said, and they haven't had nearly as long to get it right as apple has. On the other hand, accessibility has somewhat stagnated on the I platform. There's nothing new and exciting. Where-as android is still adding new features and supports. For a lot of my clients, IOS is still the way to go, but there's nothing I personally want to do on IOS that I can't do on android. Mail, calendar, contacts, sms, skype, tunin radio. In fact there are some things that android has which IOS currently doesn't, such as an accessible diabetes management system with sugar monitoring hardware, and a full featured onboard GPS for the blind. Android devices can be had cheeper or more expensive depending on what you want and your carrier. Android peripherals are cheaper overall, or you can get a phone with the hardware you want built in, such as qwerty keyboards and FM receivers. Android plans tend to be cheaper than IPhone plans even without an agreement/term/bulloni-contract nonsense. ANdroid gives you flexibility over system voices and input methods and other system tweaks that can be very important to blind people without jailbreaking and voiding your warrantee. So, there are benefits, and I have clients who choose either or depending on what their needs ar.e I think they ar both good options at this point and I appreciate having the choice. Best, Erik Burggraaf Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2013-05-19, at 8:04 AM, James Lockwood lockwoo...@gmail.com wrote: It has been a year or so since I attempted to use an android phone. Is it other peoples experience that the android software is relatively inaccessible to completely blind users? Is that still the case? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone
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Well, that is good news! How about games? Kings corner, card games, word games, etc.? Did you mention dropbox? How about Pandora? :) Traci On May 22, 2013, at 9:43 AM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote: Yes, you would be quite pleased. A lot of the apps you are used to on your IPhone are usable on android. Skype, tunein radio, ebay, paypal, redlaser. transit apps, gps apps, and more. Often i Read about apps on Viphone and go looking for android equivilants with good results. Then there are some that are only built for android, such as the Emusic app, the myglugohealth app, the near-by explorer gps for the blind and so on. Best, Erik Burggraaf Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2013-05-22, at 12:37 PM, Traci our4p...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, being a techy myself, Android always interests me. The question I have is, how about the amount of accessible apps on Android? My iPhone has dozens upon dozens of apps for radio streaming, games, productivity, etc. Would I find that level of usability on Android at this point? I often read how far Android has come in accessibility, but I have not red much in terms of all the android apps a blind user may have. Thanks, Traci On May 19, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, IDK, they are adding new feature but, most of them IOS had from the start. For example, navigating web pages by links, headings, etc. I think there comes a point where you don't really need to add more accessibility features, you just refine the ones you have. This in my opinion is where Apple is while, Android is still adding some essential accessibility features. And even then, not all devices running Android will have them. This makes more work for the blind consumer. This is actually one of my biggest gripes with the platform. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 19, 2013, at 12:53 PM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote: Hi, I teach both, and prefer android. Apple accessibility is definitely more seamless than androids. Android's commitment to accessibility is firm, but it is more fragmented as some one else said, and they haven't had nearly as long to get it right as apple has. On the other hand, accessibility has somewhat stagnated on the I platform. There's nothing new and exciting. Where-as android is still adding new features and supports. For a lot of my clients, IOS is still the way to go, but there's nothing I personally want to do on IOS that I can't do on android. Mail, calendar, contacts, sms, skype, tunin radio. In fact there are some things that android has which IOS currently doesn't, such as an accessible diabetes management system with sugar monitoring hardware, and a full featured onboard GPS for the blind. Android devices can be had cheeper or more expensive depending on what you want and your carrier. Android peripherals are cheaper overall, or you can get a phone with the hardware you want built in, such as qwerty keyboards and FM receivers. Android plans tend to be cheaper than IPhone plans even without an agreement/term/bulloni-contract nonsense. ANdroid gives you flexibility over system voices and input methods and other system tweaks that can be very important to blind people without jailbreaking and voiding your warrantee. So, there are benefits, and I have clients who choose either or depending on what their needs ar.e I think they ar both good options at this point and I appreciate having the choice. Best, Erik Burggraaf Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2013-05-19, at 8:04 AM, James Lockwood lockwoo...@gmail.com wrote: It has been a year or so since I attempted to use an android phone. Is it other peoples experience that the android software is relatively inaccessible to completely blind users? Is that still the case? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and
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How is Android security versus iOS? Is there an iTunes equivalent in Android one must use to manage / synck with your phone? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Traci Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple iPhone versus android software Well, that is good news! How about games? Kings corner, card games, word games, etc.? Did you mention dropbox? How about Pandora? :) Traci On May 22, 2013, at 9:43 AM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.commailto:e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote: Yes, you would be quite pleased. A lot of the apps you are used to on your IPhone are usable on android. Skype, tunein radio, ebay, paypal, redlaser. transit apps, gps apps, and more. Often i Read about apps on Viphone and go looking for android equivilants with good results. Then there are some that are only built for android, such as the Emusic app, the myglugohealth app, the near-by explorer gps for the blind and so on. Best, Erik Burggraaf Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.comhttp://www.erik-burggraaf.com/ On 2013-05-22, at 12:37 PM, Traci our4p...@gmail.commailto:our4p...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, being a techy myself, Android always interests me. The question I have is, how about the amount of accessible apps on Android? My iPhone has dozens upon dozens of apps for radio streaming, games, productivity, etc. Would I find that level of usability on Android at this point? I often read how far Android has come in accessibility, but I have not red much in terms of all the android apps a blind user may have. Thanks, Traci On May 19, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.commailto:rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, IDK, they are adding new feature but, most of them IOS had from the start. For example, navigating web pages by links, headings, etc. I think there comes a point where you don't really need to add more accessibility features, you just refine the ones you have. This in my opinion is where Apple is while, Android is still adding some essential accessibility features. And even then, not all devices running Android will have them. This makes more work for the blind consumer. This is actually one of my biggest gripes with the platform. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.infomailto:rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.infohttp://www.appletothecore.info On May 19, 2013, at 12:53 PM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.commailto:e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote: Hi, I teach both, and prefer android. Apple accessibility is definitely more seamless than androids. Android's commitment to accessibility is firm, but it is more fragmented as some one else said, and they haven't had nearly as long to get it right as apple has. On the other hand, accessibility has somewhat stagnated on the I platform. There's nothing new and exciting. Where-as android is still adding new features and supports. For a lot of my clients, IOS is still the way to go, but there's nothing I personally want to do on IOS that I can't do on android. Mail, calendar, contacts, sms, skype, tunin radio. In fact there are some things that android has which IOS currently doesn't, such as an accessible diabetes management system with sugar monitoring hardware, and a full featured onboard GPS for the blind. Android devices can be had cheeper or more expensive depending on what you want and your carrier. Android peripherals are cheaper overall, or you can get a phone with the hardware you want built in, such as qwerty keyboards and FM receivers. Android plans tend to be cheaper than IPhone plans even without an agreement/term/bulloni-contract nonsense. ANdroid gives you flexibility over system voices and input methods and other system tweaks that can be very important to blind people without jailbreaking and voiding your warrantee. So, there are benefits, and I have clients who choose either or depending on what their needs ar.e I think they ar both good options at this point and I appreciate having the choice. Best, Erik Burggraaf Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2013-05-19, at 8:04 AM, James Lockwood lockwoo...@gmail.commailto:lockwoo...@gmail.com wrote: It has been a year or so since I attempted to use an android phone. Is it other peoples experience that the android software is relatively inaccessible to completely blind users? Is that still the case? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group
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IMHO, Android the OS is as secure as IOS the OS. With Apple though, you get quite a bit of extra security because access to the device is so limited. For example, you can only install apps from the App Store, and although malware has gotten into the App Store, it doesn't usually stay there for long. Android users need to be much more careful as to the apps they install than do iPhone users, just as Windows users need to practice some good common sense when downloading applications and content to their PC's. No, you don't need an application like iTunes to manage your content on an Android phone. With use of the cloud, you don't need iTunes much to manage your iPhone any more either. On 05/22/2013 12:40 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. wrote: How is Android security versus iOS? Is there an iTunes equivalent in Android one must use to manage / synck with your phone? *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Traci *Sent:* Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:02 PM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Apple iPhone versus android software Well, that is good news! How about games? Kings corner, card games, word games, etc.? Did you mention dropbox? How about Pandora? :) Traci On May 22, 2013, at 9:43 AM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com mailto:e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote: Yes, you would be quite pleased. A lot of the apps you are used to on your IPhone are usable on android. Skype, tunein radio, ebay, paypal, redlaser. transit apps, gps apps, and more. Often i Read about apps on Viphone and go looking for android equivilants with good results. Then there are some that are only built for android, such as the Emusic app, the myglugohealth app, the near-by explorer gps for the blind and so on. Best, Erik Burggraaf Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/ On 2013-05-22, at 12:37 PM, Traci our4p...@gmail.com mailto:our4p...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, being a techy myself, Android always interests me. The question I have is, how about the amount of accessible apps on Android? My iPhone has dozens upon dozens of apps for radio streaming, games, productivity, etc. Would I find that level of usability on Android at this point? I often read how far Android has come in accessibility, but I have not red much in terms of all the android apps a blind user may have. Thanks, Traci On May 19, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com mailto:rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, IDK, they are adding new feature but, most of them IOS had from the start. For example, navigating web pages by links, headings, etc. I think there comes a point where you don't really need to add more accessibility features, you just refine the ones you have. This in my opinion is where Apple is while, Android is still adding some essential accessibility features. And even then, not all devices running Android will have them. This makes more work for the blind consumer. This is actually one of my biggest gripes with the platform. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info mailto:rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info http://www.appletothecore.info On May 19, 2013, at 12:53 PM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com mailto:e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote: Hi, I teach both, and prefer android. Apple accessibility is definitely more seamless than androids. Android's commitment to accessibility is firm, but it is more fragmented as some one else said, and they haven't had nearly as long to get it right as apple has. On the other hand, accessibility has somewhat stagnated on the I platform. There's nothing new and exciting. Where-as android is still adding new features and supports. For a lot of my clients, IOS is still the way to go, but there's nothing I personally want to do on IOS that I can't do on android. Mail, calendar, contacts, sms, skype, tunin radio. In fact there are some things that android has which IOS currently doesn't, such as an accessible diabetes management system with sugar monitoring hardware, and a full featured onboard GPS for the blind. Android devices can be had cheeper or more expensive depending on what you want and your carrier. Android peripherals are cheaper overall, or you can get a phone with the hardware you want built in, such as qwerty keyboards and FM receivers. Android plans tend to be cheaper than IPhone plans even without an agreement/term/bulloni-contract nonsense. ANdroid gives you flexibility over system voices and input methods and other system tweaks that can be very important to blind people without jailbreaking and voiding your warrantee. So, there are benefits, and I have clients who choose either or depending on what their needs
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Dah! I can't believe I forgot to mention dropbox. That's definitely accessible. I believe pandora is as well, but I'm not 100% sure since Tunein radio does everything I need. Gaming isn't my specialty either. I haven't seen it come up much on the eyes-free group either. That may be one area where IPhone apps are still ahead. There's a website for accessible android apps. www.androidaccess.net It's similar to applevis in that users can post accessibility ratings and reviews. Here's the entry for pandora. http://www.androidaccess.net/details.php?id=44 Best, Erik Burggraaf Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2013-05-22, at 1:02 PM, Traci our4p...@gmail.com wrote: Well, that is good news! How about games? Kings corner, card games, word games, etc.? Did you mention dropbox? How about Pandora? :) Traci On May 22, 2013, at 9:43 AM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote: Yes, you would be quite pleased. A lot of the apps you are used to on your IPhone are usable on android. Skype, tunein radio, ebay, paypal, redlaser. transit apps, gps apps, and more. Often i Read about apps on Viphone and go looking for android equivilants with good results. Then there are some that are only built for android, such as the Emusic app, the myglugohealth app, the near-by explorer gps for the blind and so on. Best, Erik Burggraaf Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2013-05-22, at 12:37 PM, Traci our4p...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, being a techy myself, Android always interests me. The question I have is, how about the amount of accessible apps on Android? My iPhone has dozens upon dozens of apps for radio streaming, games, productivity, etc. Would I find that level of usability on Android at this point? I often read how far Android has come in accessibility, but I have not red much in terms of all the android apps a blind user may have. Thanks, Traci On May 19, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, IDK, they are adding new feature but, most of them IOS had from the start. For example, navigating web pages by links, headings, etc. I think there comes a point where you don't really need to add more accessibility features, you just refine the ones you have. This in my opinion is where Apple is while, Android is still adding some essential accessibility features. And even then, not all devices running Android will have them. This makes more work for the blind consumer. This is actually one of my biggest gripes with the platform. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 19, 2013, at 12:53 PM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote: Hi, I teach both, and prefer android. Apple accessibility is definitely more seamless than androids. Android's commitment to accessibility is firm, but it is more fragmented as some one else said, and they haven't had nearly as long to get it right as apple has. On the other hand, accessibility has somewhat stagnated on the I platform. There's nothing new and exciting. Where-as android is still adding new features and supports. For a lot of my clients, IOS is still the way to go, but there's nothing I personally want to do on IOS that I can't do on android. Mail, calendar, contacts, sms, skype, tunin radio. In fact there are some things that android has which IOS currently doesn't, such as an accessible diabetes management system with sugar monitoring hardware, and a full featured onboard GPS for the blind. Android devices can be had cheeper or more expensive depending on what you want and your carrier. Android peripherals are cheaper overall, or you can get a phone with the hardware you want built in, such as qwerty keyboards and FM receivers. Android plans tend to be cheaper than IPhone plans even without an agreement/term/bulloni-contract nonsense. ANdroid gives you flexibility over system voices and input methods and other system tweaks that can be very important to blind people without jailbreaking and voiding your warrantee. So, there are benefits, and I have clients who choose either or depending on what their needs ar.e I think they ar both good options at this point and I appreciate having the choice. Best, Erik Burggraaf Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog Ebony Consulting toll-free:
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ANdroid security definitely isn't up to IPhone security. That's the price you pay for openness. However, you can get viper or ESET for your phone which helps. you also have full control over the permissions apps have and can choose not to install apps if you don't want them to have specific permissions. There's a bit of a trade off, but so far, what I've saved on app purchases on android vs my IOS device has made it well worth while. Best, Erik Burggraaf Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2013-05-22, at 1:40 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu wrote: How is Android security versus iOS? Is there an iTunes equivalent in Android one must use to manage / synck with your phone? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Traci Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple iPhone versus android software Well, that is good news! How about games? Kings corner, card games, word games, etc.? Did you mention dropbox? How about Pandora? :) Traci On May 22, 2013, at 9:43 AM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote: Yes, you would be quite pleased. A lot of the apps you are used to on your IPhone are usable on android. Skype, tunein radio, ebay, paypal, redlaser. transit apps, gps apps, and more. Often i Read about apps on Viphone and go looking for android equivilants with good results. Then there are some that are only built for android, such as the Emusic app, the myglugohealth app, the near-by explorer gps for the blind and so on. Best, Erik Burggraaf Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2013-05-22, at 12:37 PM, Traci our4p...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, being a techy myself, Android always interests me. The question I have is, how about the amount of accessible apps on Android? My iPhone has dozens upon dozens of apps for radio streaming, games, productivity, etc. Would I find that level of usability on Android at this point? I often read how far Android has come in accessibility, but I have not red much in terms of all the android apps a blind user may have. Thanks, Traci On May 19, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, IDK, they are adding new feature but, most of them IOS had from the start. For example, navigating web pages by links, headings, etc. I think there comes a point where you don't really need to add more accessibility features, you just refine the ones you have. This in my opinion is where Apple is while, Android is still adding some essential accessibility features. And even then, not all devices running Android will have them. This makes more work for the blind consumer. This is actually one of my biggest gripes with the platform. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 19, 2013, at 12:53 PM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote: Hi, I teach both, and prefer android. Apple accessibility is definitely more seamless than androids. Android's commitment to accessibility is firm, but it is more fragmented as some one else said, and they haven't had nearly as long to get it right as apple has. On the other hand, accessibility has somewhat stagnated on the I platform. There's nothing new and exciting. Where-as android is still adding new features and supports. For a lot of my clients, IOS is still the way to go, but there's nothing I personally want to do on IOS that I can't do on android. Mail, calendar, contacts, sms, skype, tunin radio. In fact there are some things that android has which IOS currently doesn't, such as an accessible diabetes management system with sugar monitoring hardware, and a full featured onboard GPS for the blind. Android devices can be had cheeper or more expensive depending on what you want and your carrier. Android peripherals are cheaper overall, or you can get a phone with the hardware you want built in, such as qwerty keyboards and FM receivers. Android plans tend to be cheaper than IPhone plans even without an agreement/term/bulloni-contract nonsense. ANdroid gives you flexibility over system voices and input methods and other system tweaks that can be very important to blind people without jailbreaking and voiding your warrantee. So, there are benefits, and I have clients who choose either or depending on what their needs ar.e I think they ar both good options
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Well, it can't be as secure as IOS if they're selling antimalware programs for Android. Andy -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple iPhone versus android software IMHO, Android the OS is as secure as IOS the OS. With Apple though, you get quite a bit of extra security because access to the device is so limited. For example, you can only install apps from the App Store, and although malware has gotten into the App Store, it doesn't usually stay there for long. Android users need to be much more careful as to the apps they install than do iPhone users, just as Windows users need to practice some good common sense when downloading applications and content to their PC's. No, you don't need an application like iTunes to manage your content on an Android phone. With use of the cloud, you don't need iTunes much to manage your iPhone any more either. On 05/22/2013 12:40 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. wrote: How is Android security versus iOS? Is there an iTunes equivalent in Android one must use to manage / synck with your phone? *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Traci *Sent:* Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:02 PM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Apple iPhone versus android software Well, that is good news! How about games? Kings corner, card games, word games, etc.? Did you mention dropbox? How about Pandora? :) Traci On May 22, 2013, at 9:43 AM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com mailto:e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote: Yes, you would be quite pleased. A lot of the apps you are used to on your IPhone are usable on android. Skype, tunein radio, ebay, paypal, redlaser. transit apps, gps apps, and more. Often i Read about apps on Viphone and go looking for android equivilants with good results. Then there are some that are only built for android, such as the Emusic app, the myglugohealth app, the near-by explorer gps for the blind and so on. Best, Erik Burggraaf Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/ On 2013-05-22, at 12:37 PM, Traci our4p...@gmail.com mailto:our4p...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, being a techy myself, Android always interests me. The question I have is, how about the amount of accessible apps on Android? My iPhone has dozens upon dozens of apps for radio streaming, games, productivity, etc. Would I find that level of usability on Android at this point? I often read how far Android has come in accessibility, but I have not red much in terms of all the android apps a blind user may have. Thanks, Traci On May 19, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com mailto:rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, IDK, they are adding new feature but, most of them IOS had from the start. For example, navigating web pages by links, headings, etc. I think there comes a point where you don't really need to add more accessibility features, you just refine the ones you have. This in my opinion is where Apple is while, Android is still adding some essential accessibility features. And even then, not all devices running Android will have them. This makes more work for the blind consumer. This is actually one of my biggest gripes with the platform. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info mailto:rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info http://www.appletothecore.info On May 19, 2013, at 12:53 PM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com mailto:e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote: Hi, I teach both, and prefer android. Apple accessibility is definitely more seamless than androids. Android's commitment to accessibility is firm, but it is more fragmented as some one else said, and they haven't had nearly as long to get it right as apple has. On the other hand, accessibility has somewhat stagnated on the I platform. There's nothing new and exciting. Where-as android is still adding new features and supports. For a lot of my clients, IOS is still the way to go, but there's nothing I personally want to do on IOS that I can't do on android. Mail, calendar, contacts, sms, skype, tunin radio. In fact there are some things that android has which IOS currently doesn't, such as an accessible diabetes management system with sugar monitoring hardware, and a full featured onboard GPS for the blind. Android devices can be had cheeper or more expensive depending on what you want and your carrier. Android peripherals are cheaper overall, or you can get a phone with the hardware you want built in, such as qwerty keyboards and FM receivers. Android plans tend to be cheaper than IPhone plans even without an agreement/term/bulloni-contract nonsense. ANdroid gives
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I believe they sell anti-malware for iOs also, so what does that say? LOL. Victor Gouveia Vice-President Training Coordinator VIP Tech Tel: 1-(888)-737-1115 Fax: 1-(888)-737-1116 vipt...@rogers.com victor.gouv...@rogers.com Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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For Macs, yes, but not for IOS because it is not needed. Andy From: Victor Gouveia Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 7:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple iPhone versus android software I believe they sell anti-malware for iOs also, so what does that say? LOL. Victor Gouveia Vice-President Training Coordinator VIP Tech Tel: 1-(888)-737-1115 Fax: 1-(888)-737-1116 vipt...@rogers.com victor.gouv...@rogers.com Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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It's not. If you read all of the technical data and things going on, there are constant security problems with Android. The problem is the average user has no idea about them. We are a small minoirty as far as the fact that we read technical outlets and have knowledge of them. Other than two people I know, the others who use Android don't even know what open sriouce actually means, let alone that their cell phone is at risk like their Windows computers. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On May 22, 2013, at 9:10 PM, Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com wrote: Well, it can't be as secure as IOS if they're selling antimalware programs for Android. Andy -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple iPhone versus android software IMHO, Android the OS is as secure as IOS the OS. With Apple though, you get quite a bit of extra security because access to the device is so limited. For example, you can only install apps from the App Store, and although malware has gotten into the App Store, it doesn't usually stay there for long. Android users need to be much more careful as to the apps they install than do iPhone users, just as Windows users need to practice some good common sense when downloading applications and content to their PC's. No, you don't need an application like iTunes to manage your content on an Android phone. With use of the cloud, you don't need iTunes much to manage your iPhone any more either. On 05/22/2013 12:40 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. wrote: How is Android security versus iOS? Is there an iTunes equivalent in Android one must use to manage / synck with your phone? *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Traci *Sent:* Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:02 PM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Apple iPhone versus android software Well, that is good news! How about games? Kings corner, card games, word games, etc.? Did you mention dropbox? How about Pandora? :) Traci On May 22, 2013, at 9:43 AM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com mailto:e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote: Yes, you would be quite pleased. A lot of the apps you are used to on your IPhone are usable on android. Skype, tunein radio, ebay, paypal, redlaser. transit apps, gps apps, and more. Often i Read about apps on Viphone and go looking for android equivilants with good results. Then there are some that are only built for android, such as the Emusic app, the myglugohealth app, the near-by explorer gps for the blind and so on. Best, Erik Burggraaf Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/ On 2013-05-22, at 12:37 PM, Traci our4p...@gmail.com mailto:our4p...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, being a techy myself, Android always interests me. The question I have is, how about the amount of accessible apps on Android? My iPhone has dozens upon dozens of apps for radio streaming, games, productivity, etc. Would I find that level of usability on Android at this point? I often read how far Android has come in accessibility, but I have not red much in terms of all the android apps a blind user may have. Thanks, Traci On May 19, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com mailto:rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, IDK, they are adding new feature but, most of them IOS had from the start. For example, navigating web pages by links, headings, etc. I think there comes a point where you don't really need to add more accessibility features, you just refine the ones you have. This in my opinion is where Apple is while, Android is still adding some essential accessibility features. And even then, not all devices running Android will have them. This makes more work for the blind consumer. This is actually one of my biggest gripes with the platform. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info mailto:rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info http://www.appletothecore.info On May 19, 2013, at 12:53 PM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com mailto:e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote: Hi, I teach both, and prefer android. Apple accessibility is definitely more seamless than androids. Android's commitment to accessibility is firm, but it is more fragmented as some one else said, and they haven't had nearly as long to get
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Well, of course there are no antimalware apps for IOS. Apple would have to allow this in both the App Store and the IOS SDK. This has no bearing on the underlying security of IOS though. The IOS ecosystem is more secure than Android's ecosystem, as I said in my original email, and there's no debate on this. For this reason, there isn't a need at the moment for antimalware software on IOS. This doesn't mean that the underlying IOS operating system is more secure than the underlying Android operating system. Malware has crept into the App Store, although to this point it hasn't stayed there long. Security vulnerabilities in IOS are exploited in order to jail break IOS. Apple has had to release security fixes for IOS. There is plenty of malware on jail broken iPhones. Antimalware software for Android phones is there to protect against malicious software you could put on your phone in various ways. The fact that this software exists, in no way indicates that the underlying OS is less secure, and in fact supports Android's commitment to security in their willingness to open up the Android SDK to allow for the scanning of malware. Malware authors go after Android and not IOS because it's more open, not because it's less secure. There are plenty of articles on the web that talk about how as an OS, IOS has more known security vulnerabilities in it than does Android. Here's just one such article http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2262231/apple-ios-had-more-security-vulnerabilities-than-android-in-2012 Since the IOS ecosystem is more secure than Android's, and since most people agree that the unjailbroken IOS ecosystem doesn't need any antimalware software, I think the debate as to how secure the underlying OS's are is academic and doesn't need to be hashed out on this list. The unsubstantiated statements made in this thread on how Android is less secure than IOS isn't going to change my opinion based on the security papers I've read, and I can't imagine pointing to any such research is going to change the mind of the die hard Apple purist who's convinced IOS can't be broken into. On 05/22/2013 10:12 PM, Andy Baracco wrote: For Macs, yes, but not for IOS because it is not needed. Andy *From:* Victor Gouveia mailto:victor.gouv...@rogers.com *Sent:* Wednesday, May 22, 2013 7:00 PM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Apple iPhone versus android software I believe they sell anti-malware for iOs also, so what does that say? LOL. Victor Gouveia Vice-President Training Coordinator VIP Tech Tel: 1-(888)-737-1115 Fax: 1-(888)-737-1116 vipt...@rogers.com mailto:vipt...@rogers.com victor.gouv...@rogers.com mailto:victor.gouv...@rogers.com Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Yes, Mrs bought one of the prolific cheap Android tablets, offered it me to play with and buy off her already. JB4.1 and got Talkback on it, but cheap soon shows in how sluggish, not helped by not knowing the command structure beyond move finger and double tap. But too sluggish and soon gave it her back. She wants to offload so she can just have another Mini, we're iDevice fans through and through here now. Rh. - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 12:40 AM Subject: RE: Apple iPhone versus android software Hi Eric, I agree that having the choice is nothing but good and I'm happy that Android accessibility is finally starting to catch up. One argument, however, that doesn't hold water is the one about iOS accessibility not advancing as fast as Android accessibility. This is basically the same as when people complain after a new iPhone release that it is only an evolutionary upgrade and not a revolutionary one. Apple instigated its revolution in 2007 when they introduced the iPhone and in 2008 or whenever it was when they made Voiceover accessibility part of iOS. After the initial years of more major upgrades and improvements it is becoming harder and harder to always Wow people with groundbreaking new stuff. Android is no different, I think the reaction to the Galaxy S4 was not exactly a Wow moment. I listened to the coverage of the keynote by Twit TV and the 3 or 4 people who were doing the Podcast all were rather unimpressed. It's easy to make big strides ahead when there is a lot of ground to cover. There are certainly things in iOS accessibility that need fixing and there are features which would be nice, but I think in the last few major iOS updates, 6,5 and 4, Apple has always added some good stuff and I'm sure they continue to improve the experience. I'd like to say that one of these days I should go out and spend the $150 or so one has to spend to get a cheap Android tablet just so I can play around with it, but then again I think that I'd rather spend an extra $150 on top of that and get an iPad Mini where I know exactly what to expect and of course it will let me use all of my apps and other content. Anyhow, iOS 7 will be announced in about 3 weeks, so let's see if Apple accessibility continues to stagnate or if they are giving us some really cool new stuff to look forward to in the fall. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple iPhone versus android software Hi, I teach both, and prefer android. Apple accessibility is definitely more seamless than androids. Android's commitment to accessibility is firm, but it is more fragmented as some one else said, and they haven't had nearly as long to get it right as apple has. On the other hand, accessibility has somewhat stagnated on the I platform. There's nothing new and exciting. Where-as android is still adding new features and supports. For a lot of my clients, IOS is still the way to go, but there's nothing I personally want to do on IOS that I can't do on android. Mail, calendar, contacts, sms, skype, tunin radio. In fact there are some things that android has which IOS currently doesn't, such as an accessible diabetes management system with sugar monitoring hardware, and a full featured onboard GPS for the blind. Android devices can be had cheeper or more expensive depending on what you want and your carrier. Android peripherals are cheaper overall, or you can get a phone with the hardware you want built in, such as qwerty keyboards and FM receivers. Android plans tend to be cheaper than IPhone plans even without an agreement/term/bulloni-contract nonsense. ANdroid gives you flexibility over system voices and input methods and other system tweaks that can be very important to blind people without jailbreaking and voiding your warrantee. So, there are benefits, and I have clients who choose either or depending on what their needs ar.e I think they ar both good options at this point and I appreciate having the choice. Best, Erik Burggraaf Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2013-05-19, at 8:04 AM, James Lockwood lockwoo...@gmail.com wrote: It has been a year or so since I attempted to use an android phone. Is it other peoples experience that the android software is relatively inaccessible to completely blind users? Is that still the case? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post
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Hi Erik; I would like to talk further with you regarding this subject. Please call me at: (856) 885-1730 Or, I'd be happy to call you. Thank you in advance. Anthony Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5! On May 19, 2013, at 12:53 PM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote: Hi, I teach both, and prefer android. Apple accessibility is definitely more seamless than androids. Android's commitment to accessibility is firm, but it is more fragmented as some one else said, and they haven't had nearly as long to get it right as apple has. On the other hand, accessibility has somewhat stagnated on the I platform. There's nothing new and exciting. Where-as android is still adding new features and supports. For a lot of my clients, IOS is still the way to go, but there's nothing I personally want to do on IOS that I can't do on android. Mail, calendar, contacts, sms, skype, tunin radio. In fact there are some things that android has which IOS currently doesn't, such as an accessible diabetes management system with sugar monitoring hardware, and a full featured onboard GPS for the blind. Android devices can be had cheeper or more expensive depending on what you want and your carrier. Android peripherals are cheaper overall, or you can get a phone with the hardware you want built in, such as qwerty keyboards and FM receivers. Android plans tend to be cheaper than IPhone plans even without an agreement/term/bulloni-contract nonsense. ANdroid gives you flexibility over system voices and input methods and other system tweaks that can be very important to blind people without jailbreaking and voiding your warrantee. So, there are benefits, and I have clients who choose either or depending on what their needs ar.e I think they ar both good options at this point and I appreciate having the choice. Best, Erik Burggraaf Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2013-05-19, at 8:04 AM, James Lockwood lockwoo...@gmail.com wrote: It has been a year or so since I attempted to use an android phone. Is it other peoples experience that the android software is relatively inaccessible to completely blind users? Is that still the case? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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IMHO, Android won't be worth it unless the accessibility is built in for all. If Apple can build it in to each unit, so can the rest of them. If I didn't get the screen reader with the android phone for free and had to pay for it, it would be a game changer. Those days of buying a cell phone and then having to buy the accessibility are over for me. - Original Message - From: Ricardo Walker To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:19 AM Subject: Re: Apple iPhone versus android software Hello, That is definitely not the case. Android is very accessible to blind and low vision users. In my opinion, its a bit behind as far as accessibility goes compared to IOS but, not by much. I would even venture to say, they might even be on par in a year or so. I do prefer IOS at this point though. From a blind perspective, its just more refined. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 19, 2013, at 8:04 AM, James Lockwood lockwoo...@gmail.com wrote: It has been a year or so since I attempted to use an android phone. Is it other peoples experience that the android software is relatively inaccessible to completely blind users? Is that still the case? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Android, as of version 4.0, already includes a screen reader--Talk Back. Prior to that, Talk Back and Spiel were available as free and open source screen readers for Android. I'd agree I'd go with a solution that has access already built in, as long as it was affordable and met my needs. I'll never say never. On 05/20/2013 10:09 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote: IMHO, Android won't be worth it unless the accessibility is built in for all. If Apple can build it in to each unit, so can the rest of them. If I didn't get the screen reader with the android phone for free and had to pay for it, it would be a game changer. Those days of buying a cell phone and then having to buy the accessibility are over for me. - Original Message - *From:* Ricardo Walker mailto:rwalker...@gmail.com *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:19 AM *Subject:* Re: Apple iPhone versus android software Hello, That is definitely not the case. Android is very accessible to blind and low vision users. In my opinion, its a bit behind as far as accessibility goes compared to IOS but, not by much. I would even venture to say, they might even be on par in a year or so. I do prefer IOS at this point though. From a blind perspective, its just more refined. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info mailto:rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info http://www.appletothecore.info On May 19, 2013, at 8:04 AM, James Lockwood lockwoo...@gmail.com mailto:lockwoo...@gmail.com wrote: It has been a year or so since I attempted to use an android phone. Is it other peoples experience that the android software is relatively inaccessible to completely blind users? Is that still the case? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop
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I'd agree with you. Everybody loves to poke the giant in the eye or at least to talk about it. As I said, until accessibility is built in for all I 'll stick with Apple iPhone. - Original Message - From: John Panarese To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:38 AM Subject: Re: Apple iPhone versus android software Regardless of how much Android accessibility evolves, it's still running on Android. That will always be the problem. As the Android market continues to fracture, there are more than a half dozen different active versions of the software and hardware longevity with that software is minimum, iOS will always have the advantage. I know far too many sighted people who have a variety of problems with their phones and their software that would keep me from every going the Android route, regardless of how much accessibility improves. Of course, there is the malware and security risks that plagues Android that seems to be under reported while the media likes to emphasize any slight issue with Apple. Open source may be preferred by some, but it opens up a serious can of worms from a personal security front that are hardly written about in the mainstream. Apple is Far more secure, and their software is consistent across devices and there is far more backwards compatibility than Android, especially for apps. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On May 19, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, That is definitely not the case. Android is very accessible to blind and low vision users. In my opinion, its a bit behind as far as accessibility goes compared to IOS but, not by much. I would even venture to say, they might even be on par in a year or so. I do prefer IOS at this point though. From a blind perspective, its just more refined. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 19, 2013, at 8:04 AM, James Lockwood lockwoo...@gmail.com wrote: It has been a year or so since I attempted to use an android phone. Is it other peoples experience that the android software is relatively inaccessible to completely blind users? Is that still the case? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post
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As I and others have said earlier, Android 4.0 and beyond does have a screen reader--Talk Back--included. Prior to that, you could get Talk Back or Spiel as free and open source screen readers for Android. On 05/20/2013 11:26 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote: I'd agree with you. Everybody loves to poke the giant in the eye or at least to talk about it. As I said, until accessibility is built in for all I 'll stick with Apple iPhone. - Original Message - *From:* John Panarese mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:38 AM *Subject:* Re: Apple iPhone versus android software Regardless of how much Android accessibility evolves, it's still running on Android. That will always be the problem. As the Android market continues to fracture, there are more than a half dozen different active versions of the software and hardware longevity with that software is minimum, iOS will always have the advantage. I know far too many sighted people who have a variety of problems with their phones and their software that would keep me from every going the Android route, regardless of how much accessibility improves. Of course, there is the malware and security risks that plagues Android that seems to be under reported while the media likes to emphasize any slight issue with Apple. Open source may be preferred by some, but it opens up a serious can of worms from a personal security front that are hardly written about in the mainstream. Apple is Far more secure, and their software is consistent across devices and there is far more backwards compatibility than Android, especially for apps. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On May 19, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com mailto:rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, That is definitely not the case. Android is very accessible to blind and low vision users. In my opinion, its a bit behind as far as accessibility goes compared to IOS but, not by much. I would even venture to say, they might even be on par in a year or so. I do prefer IOS at this point though. From a blind perspective, its just more refined. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info mailto:rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info http://www.appletothecore.info On May 19, 2013, at 8:04 AM, James Lockwood lockwoo...@gmail.com mailto:lockwoo...@gmail.com wrote: It has been a year or so since I attempted to use an android phone. Is it other peoples experience that the android software is relatively inaccessible to completely blind users? Is that still the case? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
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A client showed me her android the other day using Talkback and it seemed more accessible than I ever saw before. However, I would not say it is nearly as accessible as the iPhone. And you still need to be a bit of a techie to make it work, which she is. Of course I am biased in favor of the iPhone. You may want to find an Android list to get a perspective that is more biased toward the Android. Richard (Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen) On May 19, 2013, at 5:04 AM, James Lockwood lockwoo...@gmail.com wrote: It has been a year or so since I attempted to use an android phone. Is it other peoples experience that the android software is relatively inaccessible to completely blind users? Is that still the case? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Wouldn't that be a far better question for an android list? - Original Message - From: James Lockwood To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 5:04 AM Subject: Apple iPhone versus android software It has been a year or so since I attempted to use an android phone. Is it other peoples experience that the android software is relatively inaccessible to completely blind users? Is that still the case? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hello, That is definitely not the case. Android is very accessible to blind and low vision users. In my opinion, its a bit behind as far as accessibility goes compared to IOS but, not by much. I would even venture to say, they might even be on par in a year or so. I do prefer IOS at this point though. From a blind perspective, its just more refined. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 19, 2013, at 8:04 AM, James Lockwood lockwoo...@gmail.com wrote: It has been a year or so since I attempted to use an android phone. Is it other peoples experience that the android software is relatively inaccessible to completely blind users? Is that still the case? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Regardless of how much Android accessibility evolves, it's still running on Android. That will always be the problem. As the Android market continues to fracture, there are more than a half dozen different active versions of the software and hardware longevity with that software is minimum, iOS will always have the advantage. I know far too many sighted people who have a variety of problems with their phones and their software that would keep me from every going the Android route, regardless of how much accessibility improves. Of course, there is the malware and security risks that plagues Android that seems to be under reported while the media likes to emphasize any slight issue with Apple. Open source may be preferred by some, but it opens up a serious can of worms from a personal security front that are hardly written about in the mainstream. Apple is Far more secure, and their software is consistent across devices and there is far more backwards compatibility than Android, especially for apps. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On May 19, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, That is definitely not the case. Android is very accessible to blind and low vision users. In my opinion, its a bit behind as far as accessibility goes compared to IOS but, not by much. I would even venture to say, they might even be on par in a year or so. I do prefer IOS at this point though. From a blind perspective, its just more refined. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 19, 2013, at 8:04 AM, James Lockwood lockwoo...@gmail.com wrote: It has been a year or so since I attempted to use an android phone. Is it other peoples experience that the android software is relatively inaccessible to completely blind users? Is that still the case? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hi, I teach both, and prefer android. Apple accessibility is definitely more seamless than androids. Android's commitment to accessibility is firm, but it is more fragmented as some one else said, and they haven't had nearly as long to get it right as apple has. On the other hand, accessibility has somewhat stagnated on the I platform. There's nothing new and exciting. Where-as android is still adding new features and supports. For a lot of my clients, IOS is still the way to go, but there's nothing I personally want to do on IOS that I can't do on android. Mail, calendar, contacts, sms, skype, tunin radio. In fact there are some things that android has which IOS currently doesn't, such as an accessible diabetes management system with sugar monitoring hardware, and a full featured onboard GPS for the blind. Android devices can be had cheeper or more expensive depending on what you want and your carrier. Android peripherals are cheaper overall, or you can get a phone with the hardware you want built in, such as qwerty keyboards and FM receivers. Android plans tend to be cheaper than IPhone plans even without an agreement/term/bulloni-contract nonsense. ANdroid gives you flexibility over system voices and input methods and other system tweaks that can be very important to blind people without jailbreaking and voiding your warrantee. So, there are benefits, and I have clients who choose either or depending on what their needs ar.e I think they ar both good options at this point and I appreciate having the choice. Best, Erik Burggraaf Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2013-05-19, at 8:04 AM, James Lockwood lockwoo...@gmail.com wrote: It has been a year or so since I attempted to use an android phone. Is it other peoples experience that the android software is relatively inaccessible to completely blind users? Is that still the case? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hi, IDK, they are adding new feature but, most of them IOS had from the start. For example, navigating web pages by links, headings, etc. I think there comes a point where you don't really need to add more accessibility features, you just refine the ones you have. This in my opinion is where Apple is while, Android is still adding some essential accessibility features. And even then, not all devices running Android will have them. This makes more work for the blind consumer. This is actually one of my biggest gripes with the platform. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 19, 2013, at 12:53 PM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote: Hi, I teach both, and prefer android. Apple accessibility is definitely more seamless than androids. Android's commitment to accessibility is firm, but it is more fragmented as some one else said, and they haven't had nearly as long to get it right as apple has. On the other hand, accessibility has somewhat stagnated on the I platform. There's nothing new and exciting. Where-as android is still adding new features and supports. For a lot of my clients, IOS is still the way to go, but there's nothing I personally want to do on IOS that I can't do on android. Mail, calendar, contacts, sms, skype, tunin radio. In fact there are some things that android has which IOS currently doesn't, such as an accessible diabetes management system with sugar monitoring hardware, and a full featured onboard GPS for the blind. Android devices can be had cheeper or more expensive depending on what you want and your carrier. Android peripherals are cheaper overall, or you can get a phone with the hardware you want built in, such as qwerty keyboards and FM receivers. Android plans tend to be cheaper than IPhone plans even without an agreement/term/bulloni-contract nonsense. ANdroid gives you flexibility over system voices and input methods and other system tweaks that can be very important to blind people without jailbreaking and voiding your warrantee. So, there are benefits, and I have clients who choose either or depending on what their needs ar.e I think they ar both good options at this point and I appreciate having the choice. Best, Erik Burggraaf Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2013-05-19, at 8:04 AM, James Lockwood lockwoo...@gmail.com wrote: It has been a year or so since I attempted to use an android phone. Is it other peoples experience that the android software is relatively inaccessible to completely blind users? Is that still the case? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit
RE: Apple iPhone versus android software
Hi Eric, I agree that having the choice is nothing but good and I'm happy that Android accessibility is finally starting to catch up. One argument, however, that doesn't hold water is the one about iOS accessibility not advancing as fast as Android accessibility. This is basically the same as when people complain after a new iPhone release that it is only an evolutionary upgrade and not a revolutionary one. Apple instigated its revolution in 2007 when they introduced the iPhone and in 2008 or whenever it was when they made Voiceover accessibility part of iOS. After the initial years of more major upgrades and improvements it is becoming harder and harder to always Wow people with groundbreaking new stuff. Android is no different, I think the reaction to the Galaxy S4 was not exactly a Wow moment. I listened to the coverage of the keynote by Twit TV and the 3 or 4 people who were doing the Podcast all were rather unimpressed. It's easy to make big strides ahead when there is a lot of ground to cover. There are certainly things in iOS accessibility that need fixing and there are features which would be nice, but I think in the last few major iOS updates, 6,5 and 4, Apple has always added some good stuff and I'm sure they continue to improve the experience. I'd like to say that one of these days I should go out and spend the $150 or so one has to spend to get a cheap Android tablet just so I can play around with it, but then again I think that I'd rather spend an extra $150 on top of that and get an iPad Mini where I know exactly what to expect and of course it will let me use all of my apps and other content. Anyhow, iOS 7 will be announced in about 3 weeks, so let's see if Apple accessibility continues to stagnate or if they are giving us some really cool new stuff to look forward to in the fall. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple iPhone versus android software Hi, I teach both, and prefer android. Apple accessibility is definitely more seamless than androids. Android's commitment to accessibility is firm, but it is more fragmented as some one else said, and they haven't had nearly as long to get it right as apple has. On the other hand, accessibility has somewhat stagnated on the I platform. There's nothing new and exciting. Where-as android is still adding new features and supports. For a lot of my clients, IOS is still the way to go, but there's nothing I personally want to do on IOS that I can't do on android. Mail, calendar, contacts, sms, skype, tunin radio. In fact there are some things that android has which IOS currently doesn't, such as an accessible diabetes management system with sugar monitoring hardware, and a full featured onboard GPS for the blind. Android devices can be had cheeper or more expensive depending on what you want and your carrier. Android peripherals are cheaper overall, or you can get a phone with the hardware you want built in, such as qwerty keyboards and FM receivers. Android plans tend to be cheaper than IPhone plans even without an agreement/term/bulloni-contract nonsense. ANdroid gives you flexibility over system voices and input methods and other system tweaks that can be very important to blind people without jailbreaking and voiding your warrantee. So, there are benefits, and I have clients who choose either or depending on what their needs ar.e I think they ar both good options at this point and I appreciate having the choice. Best, Erik Burggraaf Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2013-05-19, at 8:04 AM, James Lockwood lockwoo...@gmail.com wrote: It has been a year or so since I attempted to use an android phone. Is it other peoples experience that the android software is relatively inaccessible to completely blind users? Is that still the case? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search
Re: Apple iPhone versus android software
Android is different from IOS, so it has it's own set of strengths and weaknesses. I wouldn't say Android is the problem, but people may definitely prefer one model over the other. The same thing which gives Android it's advantages, openness, support of multiple handsets, and so on, is also what plays into some issues in the Android ecosystem, such as fragmentation and lags in updates. IMHO, it's a personal preference and not that one is a problem versus the other. BTW, at the moment there's less fracturing going on in the Android space then there has been, but this will lead to a different set of issues in the near future. With the news feeds I follow, Android malware is definitely not being under reported. I do skip over a lot of news articles though on how unfair Apple/Android reporting is to Apple, although I suspect this is more a sensitivity issue than fact. I also doubt Android or open source firmware is any less secure than IOS. I suspect what makes IOS more secure is the closed nature of the App Store and the limited paths you have to get apps onto your iPhone. Jail broken iPhones also have more reported cases of malware than unjailbroken iPhones. I also suspect common sense is your best defense against malware on Android, just as it is on Windows. On 05/19/2013 11:38 AM, John Panarese wrote: Regardless of how much Android accessibility evolves, it's still running on Android. That will always be the problem. As the Android market continues to fracture, there are more than a half dozen different active versions of the software and hardware longevity with that software is minimum, iOS will always have the advantage. I know far too many sighted people who have a variety of problems with their phones and their software that would keep me from every going the Android route, regardless of how much accessibility improves. Of course, there is the malware and security risks that plagues Android that seems to be under reported while the media likes to emphasize any slight issue with Apple. Open source may be preferred by some, but it opens up a serious can of worms from a personal security front that are hardly written about in the mainstream. Apple is Far more secure, and their software is consistent across devices and there is far more backwards compatibility than And roid, especially for apps. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On May 19, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, That is definitely not the case. Android is very accessible to blind and low vision users. In my opinion, its a bit behind as far as accessibility goes compared to IOS but, not by much. I would even venture to say, they might even be on par in a year or so. I do prefer IOS at this point though. From a blind perspective, its just more refined. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 19, 2013, at 8:04 AM, James Lockwood lockwoo...@gmail.com wrote: It has been a year or so since I attempted to use an android phone. Is it other peoples experience that the android software is relatively inaccessible to completely blind users? Is that still the case? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because
