Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-18 Thread Richard Ring
I agree completely about the Nexus. It simply can't compare to iOS!


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On Sep 18, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

> Actually, you can do this in chrome as well. In the global talkback menu, 
> there is an option for navigation, opening this will allow you to navigate by 
> web element. I do use firefox though since it's a bit faster.
> Original message:
>> I'm not the original person who made the comment, but I've tried a Google 
>> Nexus.  For one thing, I can't move around with a bluetooth keyboard as well 
>> as I can on an iPhone/iPad.  For web browsing, the only way you can navigate 
>> by elements such as heading is if you install Firefox.  This is OK I guess, 
>> but I can't help but wonder why this isn't in TalkBack.  In my opinion, 
>> accessing Voice Search isn't as efficient as accessing Siri.  When I want to 
>> access Siri, I just hold down the Home button until I hear the double-beep.  
>> When I want to access Voice Search, I have to look for it on the touch 
>> screen and double-tap.  To me, that seems to defeat the purpose.
> 
> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:14 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>>> I'd be curious to know what you think it's still lacking.
>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 8:08 PM, Richard Ring  wrote:
> 
>>>> Having used an Android tablet and several i devices, I would have to say 
>>>> that Android accessibility is almost as good as it was in the iPhone 3GS. 
>>>> Still a ways to go in my opinion.
> 
> 
>>>> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of 
>>>> Fielding
>>>> Sent from my Mac Book Pro
>>>> richr...@gmail.com
> 
>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>>>>> This may still be the case, not sure, but the number of blind android 
>>>>> users is growing fast, and that's a very good thing. The level of 
>>>>> accessibility that is provided is now on the same level, another good 
>>>>> thing.
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> One thing that may have enfluenced the NLS is, there are probably more 
>>>>>> blind iOS users than android users.
> 
>>>>>> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of 
>>>>>> Fielding
>>>>>> Sent from my Mac Book Pro
>>>>>> richr...@gmail.com <mailto:richr...@gmail.com>
> 
>>>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Mike Arrigo >>>>> <mailto:n0...@charter.net>> wrote:
> 
> 
>>>>>> Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish 
>>>>>> they would have released them both at the same time.
>>>>>> Original message:
> 
> 
>>>>>> I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the 
>>>>>> beta
>>>>>> is over and the app has been submitted.
> 
> 
> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>>>>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <http://googlegroups.com>] On Behalf
>>>>>> Of Scott Rumery
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:40 AM
>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
> 
> 
> 
>>>>>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I 
>>>>>> know
>>>>>> that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log 
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> for it.
> 
> 
> 
>>>>>> Scott Rumery
>>>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton >>>>> <mailto:bill32...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>>>>>> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
> 
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-18 Thread Lelia Struve
So each time I see this subject I am thinking  the bard app is 
finally here, no!!! what in the world does chrome have to do with bard?

Original message:

Actually, you can do this in chrome as well. In the global talkback
menu, there is an option for navigation, opening this will allow you to
navigate by web element. I do use firefox though since it's a bit faster.
Original message:

I'm not the original person who made the comment, but I've tried a
Google Nexus.  For one thing, I can't move around with a bluetooth
keyboard as well as I can on an iPhone/iPad.  For web browsing, the
only way you can navigate by elements such as heading is if you install
Firefox.  This is OK I guess, but I can't help but wonder why this
isn't in TalkBack.  In my opinion, accessing Voice Search isn't as
efficient as accessing Siri.  When I want to access Siri, I just hold
down the Home button until I hear the double-beep.  When I want to
access Voice Search, I have to look for it on the touch screen and
double-tap.  To me, that seems to defeat the purpose.




Sent from my iPhone



On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:14 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:



I'd be curious to know what you think it's still lacking.
On Sep 13, 2013, at 8:08 PM, Richard Ring  wrote:



Having used an Android tablet and several i devices, I would have to
say that Android accessibility is almost as good as it was in the
iPhone 3GS. Still a ways to go in my opinion.




You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
Sent from my Mac Book Pro
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On Sep 13, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:



This may still be the case, not sure, but the number of blind android
users is growing fast, and that's a very good thing. The level of
accessibility that is provided is now on the same level, another good thing.
Original message:

One thing that may have enfluenced the NLS is, there are probably more
blind iOS users than android users.



You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
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On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Mike Arrigo mailto:n0...@charter.net>> wrote:




Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish
they would have released them both at the same time.
Original message:




I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
is over and the app has been submitted.





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How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I know
that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
for it.





Scott Rumery
On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton mailto:bill32...@gmail.com>> wrote:





The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.





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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-18 Thread Mike Arrigo
Actually, you can do this in chrome as well. In the global talkback 
menu, there is an option for navigation, opening this will allow you to 
navigate by web element. I do use firefox though since it's a bit faster.

Original message:
I'm not the original person who made the comment, but I've tried a 
Google Nexus.  For one thing, I can't move around with a bluetooth 
keyboard as well as I can on an iPhone/iPad.  For web browsing, the 
only way you can navigate by elements such as heading is if you install 
Firefox.  This is OK I guess, but I can't help but wonder why this 
isn't in TalkBack.  In my opinion, accessing Voice Search isn't as 
efficient as accessing Siri.  When I want to access Siri, I just hold 
down the Home button until I hear the double-beep.  When I want to 
access Voice Search, I have to look for it on the touch screen and 
double-tap.  To me, that seems to defeat the purpose.




Sent from my iPhone



On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:14 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:



I'd be curious to know what you think it's still lacking.
On Sep 13, 2013, at 8:08 PM, Richard Ring  wrote:


Having used an Android tablet and several i devices, I would have to 
say that Android accessibility is almost as good as it was in the 
iPhone 3GS. Still a ways to go in my opinion.




You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
Sent from my Mac Book Pro
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On Sep 13, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:


This may still be the case, not sure, but the number of blind android 
users is growing fast, and that's a very good thing. The level of 
accessibility that is provided is now on the same level, another good thing.

Original message:
One thing that may have enfluenced the NLS is, there are probably more 
blind iOS users than android users.



You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
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On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Mike Arrigo <mailto:n0...@charter.net>> wrote:



Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish 
they would have released them both at the same time.

Original message:




I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
is over and the app has been submitted.





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Of Scott Rumery
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval





How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I know
that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
for it.





Scott Rumery
On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton <mailto:bill32...@gmail.com>> wrote:





The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.





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Moderator reminder that this list is for iOS, not Android - Was Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-17 Thread Raul A. Gallegos
I'm curious too, but also this is an iOS list. Since there are dedicated 
lists for that perhaps it's best to subscribe to one of those to 
continue this off topic discussion where it wouldn't be off topic there. 
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On 9/13/2013 10:14 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

I'd be curious to know what you think it's still lacking.
On Sep 13, 2013, at 8:08 PM, Richard Ring  wrote:


Having used an Android tablet and several i devices, I would have to say that 
Android accessibility is almost as good as it was in the iPhone 3GS. Still a 
ways to go in my opinion.


You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
  Sent from my Mac Book Pro
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On Sep 13, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:


This may still be the case, not sure, but the number of blind android users is 
growing fast, and that's a very good thing. The level of accessibility that is 
provided is now on the same level, another good thing.
Original message:

One thing that may have enfluenced the NLS is, there are probably more blind 
iOS users than android users.



You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
Sent from my Mac Book Pro
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On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Mike Arrigo mailto:n0...@charter.net>> wrote:




Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish they 
would have released them both at the same time.
Original message:




I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
is over and the app has been submitted.





-Original Message-
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Of Scott Rumery
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval





How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I know
that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
for it.





Scott Rumery
On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton mailto:bill32...@gmail.com>> wrote:





The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.





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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-17 Thread Ryan Mann
I'm not the original person who made the comment, but I've tried a Google 
Nexus.  For one thing, I can't move around with a bluetooth keyboard as well as 
I can on an iPhone/iPad.  For web browsing, the only way you can navigate by 
elements such as heading is if you install Firefox.  This is OK I guess, but I 
can't help but wonder why this isn't in TalkBack.  In my opinion, accessing 
Voice Search isn't as efficient as accessing Siri.  When I want to access Siri, 
I just hold down the Home button until I hear the double-beep.  When I want to 
access Voice Search, I have to look for it on the touch screen and double-tap.  
To me, that seems to defeat the purpose.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:14 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

> I'd be curious to know what you think it's still lacking.
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 8:08 PM, Richard Ring  wrote:
> 
>> Having used an Android tablet and several i devices, I would have to say 
>> that Android accessibility is almost as good as it was in the iPhone 3GS. 
>> Still a ways to go in my opinion.
>> 
>> 
>> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
>> Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
>> richr...@gmail.com
>> 
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>>> This may still be the case, not sure, but the number of blind android users 
>>> is growing fast, and that's a very good thing. The level of accessibility 
>>> that is provided is now on the same level, another good thing.
>>> Original message:
>>>> One thing that may have enfluenced the NLS is, there are probably more 
>>>> blind iOS users than android users.
>>> 
>>>> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of 
>>>> Fielding
>>>> Sent from my Mac Book Pro
>>>> richr...@gmail.com <mailto:richr...@gmail.com>
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Mike Arrigo >>> <mailto:n0...@charter.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish they 
>>>> would have released them both at the same time.
>>>> Original message:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
>>>> is over and the app has been submitted.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <http://googlegroups.com>] On Behalf
>>>> Of Scott Rumery
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:40 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I 
>>>> know
>>>> that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
>>>> for it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Scott Rumery
>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton >>> <mailto:bill32...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-17 Thread Mike Arrigo
I'd be curious to know what you think it's still lacking.
On Sep 13, 2013, at 8:08 PM, Richard Ring  wrote:

> Having used an Android tablet and several i devices, I would have to say that 
> Android accessibility is almost as good as it was in the iPhone 3GS. Still a 
> ways to go in my opinion.
> 
> 
> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
>  Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
> richr...@gmail.com
> 
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>> This may still be the case, not sure, but the number of blind android users 
>> is growing fast, and that's a very good thing. The level of accessibility 
>> that is provided is now on the same level, another good thing.
>> Original message:
>>> One thing that may have enfluenced the NLS is, there are probably more 
>>> blind iOS users than android users.
>> 
>>> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of 
>>> Fielding
>>> Sent from my Mac Book Pro
>>> richr...@gmail.com <mailto:richr...@gmail.com>
>> 
>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Mike Arrigo >> <mailto:n0...@charter.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish they 
>>> would have released them both at the same time.
>>> Original message:
>> 
>> 
>>> I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
>>> is over and the app has been submitted.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <http://googlegroups.com>] On Behalf
>>> Of Scott Rumery
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:40 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I know
>>> that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
>>> for it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Scott Rumery
>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton >> <mailto:bill32...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
>> 
>> 
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-15 Thread Christopher Chaltain
I think the only thing that makes it different is that this feature 
hasn't been implemented yet in the NLS BARD Mobile app. That's just my 
opinion based on the interviews and podcasts I've listened to. I'm sure 
we'll know more when the app shows up in the App Store, and we start 
hearing more, including announcements, from NLS.


Note that I think the NLS and the developers of their BARD Mobile app 
know how important this feature is to their users. I think they'll work 
out any procedural issues with Apple and implement this feature as soon 
as they can get the resources allocated and scheduled. I also think 
we'll hear more from NLS if there are any issues with Apple in 
implementing this feature. Remember that the NLS is not a company trying 
to make a profit with this app, and iPhone users are not their only 
customers.


On 09/15/2013 04:40 PM, denise avant wrote:

Hello,
I do have a followup question on this topic. One can download books directly from 
the Read2Go app and I think rfb&d. What makes the NLS app different?

On Sep 15, 2013, at 12:05 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:


When I was at ACB, the NLS presentor said that due to restrictions imposed by 
Apple, that content will not be able to be downloaded and installed directly 
within the app. You will need to go to the web site either with a PC or using 
Safari on your device, and place content in your wish list, then you can go 
into the app, and transfer the content to your device. This basically works the 
same way as with kindle or Nook books.
Andy


-Original Message- From: Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 9:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I think many of you are jumping the gun on what the app has and doesn't
have. So, why not wait for the app to be released then find out what you
should campaign for based on what it has or doesn't have.

--
Raul A. Gallegos
Nitrogen asked Oxygen out on a date.Oxygen said NO. - Sheldon Cooper
Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47

On 9/15/2013 6:18 AM, Michael Malver wrote:

I personally hope that an organized campaign can be created once the initial
version is released to make it clear (assuming I'm not in a minority) that
we want a search and download feature built into the phone.  If we have
enough knowledge to go on the web and create a wish list in the first place,
we should be able to handle a search screen in the bard app.  Making people
go to the web and add books in the kindle app makes sense since sales are
involved, but for the bard app, by only disappointment, upon hearing
reviews, was that no search facility  was included.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 12:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

According to the interviews last spring, you could download books directly
to your device from the recently released list and your wish list. You can
use a browser to add books to your wish list. I assume you can also copy
them over to your iPhone via iTunes.

On 09/15/2013 12:20 AM, Andy Baracco wrote:

Will you be able to select and download books directly through your
device, or will it be like the kindle and Nook apps where you have to
do the actual selection on a PC and go back to your device to have it
transferred to your device?

Andy


-Original Message- From: Sherrie
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 3:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I love listening to books on my iPhone.  I have been using an app
called Audio Book and Podcast Player to listen to mp3 books with no
problems.  I think the Bard app will be similar.  The nice part is
that when using wired earphones (which I do all the time) you can stop
and start the books with the switch in the earphone wire.  Since this
is an Apple feature for "music"
apps I would be shocked if it did not work with the BARD app.  So you
should be able to use a physical button to stop and start.
I play books most of the time and have no battery problems from it.
Only battery problems are from GPS type apps.
I would explain how to put books on the phone with iTunes but it won't
be necessary after the BARD app is here.
At night I do use my BARD player or my Victor since it is much easier
and has the sleep feature.  But I have traveled with only the iPhone
and used it at night as well.
The BARD app is the reason I got my iPhone in the first place and I
got a 64 G to be ready.  I am sooo ready!!!
Sherrie



-Original Message- From: Rick Alfaro
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

That's a very good point. One can do it but but not as easy and as
straight forward as i

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-15 Thread denise avant
Hello,
I do have a followup question on this topic. One can download books directly 
from the Read2Go app and I think rfb&d. What makes the NLS app different?

On Sep 15, 2013, at 12:05 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:

> When I was at ACB, the NLS presentor said that due to restrictions imposed by 
> Apple, that content will not be able to be downloaded and installed directly 
> within the app. You will need to go to the web site either with a PC or using 
> Safari on your device, and place content in your wish list, then you can go 
> into the app, and transfer the content to your device. This basically works 
> the same way as with kindle or Nook books.
> Andy
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Raul A. Gallegos
> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 9:13 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
> 
> I think many of you are jumping the gun on what the app has and doesn't
> have. So, why not wait for the app to be released then find out what you
> should campaign for based on what it has or doesn't have.
> 
> --
> Raul A. Gallegos
> Nitrogen asked Oxygen out on a date.Oxygen said NO. - Sheldon Cooper
> Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47
> 
> On 9/15/2013 6:18 AM, Michael Malver wrote:
>> I personally hope that an organized campaign can be created once the initial
>> version is released to make it clear (assuming I'm not in a minority) that
>> we want a search and download feature built into the phone.  If we have
>> enough knowledge to go on the web and create a wish list in the first place,
>> we should be able to handle a search screen in the bard app.  Making people
>> go to the web and add books in the kindle app makes sense since sales are
>> involved, but for the bard app, by only disappointment, upon hearing
>> reviews, was that no search facility  was included.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 12:23 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>> 
>> According to the interviews last spring, you could download books directly
>> to your device from the recently released list and your wish list. You can
>> use a browser to add books to your wish list. I assume you can also copy
>> them over to your iPhone via iTunes.
>> 
>> On 09/15/2013 12:20 AM, Andy Baracco wrote:
>>> Will you be able to select and download books directly through your
>>> device, or will it be like the kindle and Nook apps where you have to
>>> do the actual selection on a PC and go back to your device to have it
>>> transferred to your device?
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Sherrie
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 3:36 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>> 
>>> I love listening to books on my iPhone.  I have been using an app
>>> called Audio Book and Podcast Player to listen to mp3 books with no
>>> problems.  I think the Bard app will be similar.  The nice part is
>>> that when using wired earphones (which I do all the time) you can stop
>>> and start the books with the switch in the earphone wire.  Since this
>>> is an Apple feature for "music"
>>> apps I would be shocked if it did not work with the BARD app.  So you
>>> should be able to use a physical button to stop and start.
>>> I play books most of the time and have no battery problems from it.
>>> Only battery problems are from GPS type apps.
>>> I would explain how to put books on the phone with iTunes but it won't
>>> be necessary after the BARD app is here.
>>> At night I do use my BARD player or my Victor since it is much easier
>>> and has the sleep feature.  But I have traveled with only the iPhone
>>> and used it at night as well.
>>> The BARD app is the reason I got my iPhone in the first place and I
>>> got a 64 G to be ready.  I am sooo ready!!!
>>> Sherrie
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Rick Alfaro
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:58 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>> 
>>> That's a very good point. One can do it but but not as easy and as
>>> straight forward as it should be.
>>> 
>>> I'm thinking about t

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-15 Thread Chuck Dean
Yes, that is my understanding also.

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Sep 15, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

> My understanding, which was probably just gleaned from following this list, 
> is that the reason companies like Amazon don't let you purchase books through 
> in app purchases is because then they'd have to give Apple their cut. Since 
> the BARD books are free, I wouldn't think this would apply to BARD books. I 
> seem to recall this was discussed in Judith Dixon's interview last spring, 
> and it was a feature NLS knew patrons wanted, but it would have to be 
> implemented later or the original release of the app would have to have been 
> delayed.
> 
> On 09/15/2013 01:36 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
>> I wonder why it is possible to search and download books directly from the 
>> Read 2 Go app, if this is indeed an Apple restriction.
>> I do not see a difference.
>> 
>> Chuck (mobile)
>> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
>> 
>> On Sep 15, 2013, at 9:43 AM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>> 
>>> Unfortunately, this is a restriction put in place by Apple, and applies to 
>>> all vendors of content, except for Apple, of course. However, I think that 
>>> there should be an exception in this case, because there is no money 
>>> changing hands.
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Michael Malver
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 4:18 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>> 
>>> I personally hope that an organized campaign can be created once the initial
>>> version is released to make it clear (assuming I'm not in a minority) that
>>> we want a search and download feature built into the phone.  If we have
>>> enough knowledge to go on the web and create a wish list in the first place,
>>> we should be able to handle a search screen in the bard app.  Making people
>>> go to the web and add books in the kindle app makes sense since sales are
>>> involved, but for the bard app, by only disappointment, upon hearing
>>> reviews, was that no search facility  was included.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Christopher Chaltain
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 12:23 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>> 
>>> According to the interviews last spring, you could download books directly
>>> to your device from the recently released list and your wish list. You can
>>> use a browser to add books to your wish list. I assume you can also copy
>>> them over to your iPhone via iTunes.
>>> 
>>> On 09/15/2013 12:20 AM, Andy Baracco wrote:
>>>> Will you be able to select and download books directly through your
>>>> device, or will it be like the kindle and Nook apps where you have to
>>>> do the actual selection on a PC and go back to your device to have it
>>>> transferred to your device?
>>>> 
>>>> Andy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message- From: Sherrie
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 3:36 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>>> 
>>>> I love listening to books on my iPhone.  I have been using an app
>>>> called Audio Book and Podcast Player to listen to mp3 books with no
>>>> problems.  I think the Bard app will be similar.  The nice part is
>>>> that when using wired earphones (which I do all the time) you can stop
>>>> and start the books with the switch in the earphone wire.  Since this
>>>> is an Apple feature for "music"
>>>> apps I would be shocked if it did not work with the BARD app.  So you
>>>> should be able to use a physical button to stop and start.
>>>> I play books most of the time and have no battery problems from it.
>>>> Only battery problems are from GPS type apps.
>>>> I would explain how to put books on the phone with iTunes but it won't
>>>> be necessary after the BARD app is here.
>>>> At night I do use my BARD player or my Victor since it is much easier
>>>> and has the sleep feature.  But I have traveled with only the iPhone
>>>> and used it at night

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-15 Thread Christopher Chaltain
My understanding, which was probably just gleaned from following this 
list, is that the reason companies like Amazon don't let you purchase 
books through in app purchases is because then they'd have to give Apple 
their cut. Since the BARD books are free, I wouldn't think this would 
apply to BARD books. I seem to recall this was discussed in Judith 
Dixon's interview last spring, and it was a feature NLS knew patrons 
wanted, but it would have to be implemented later or the original 
release of the app would have to have been delayed.


On 09/15/2013 01:36 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:

I wonder why it is possible to search and download books directly from the Read 
2 Go app, if this is indeed an Apple restriction.
I do not see a difference.

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Sep 15, 2013, at 9:43 AM, Andy Baracco  wrote:


Unfortunately, this is a restriction put in place by Apple, and applies to all 
vendors of content, except for Apple, of course. However, I think that there 
should be an exception in this case, because there is no money changing hands.

Andy


-Original Message- From: Michael Malver
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 4:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I personally hope that an organized campaign can be created once the initial
version is released to make it clear (assuming I'm not in a minority) that
we want a search and download feature built into the phone.  If we have
enough knowledge to go on the web and create a wish list in the first place,
we should be able to handle a search screen in the bard app.  Making people
go to the web and add books in the kindle app makes sense since sales are
involved, but for the bard app, by only disappointment, upon hearing
reviews, was that no search facility  was included.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 12:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

According to the interviews last spring, you could download books directly
to your device from the recently released list and your wish list. You can
use a browser to add books to your wish list. I assume you can also copy
them over to your iPhone via iTunes.

On 09/15/2013 12:20 AM, Andy Baracco wrote:

Will you be able to select and download books directly through your
device, or will it be like the kindle and Nook apps where you have to
do the actual selection on a PC and go back to your device to have it
transferred to your device?

Andy


-Original Message- From: Sherrie
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 3:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I love listening to books on my iPhone.  I have been using an app
called Audio Book and Podcast Player to listen to mp3 books with no
problems.  I think the Bard app will be similar.  The nice part is
that when using wired earphones (which I do all the time) you can stop
and start the books with the switch in the earphone wire.  Since this
is an Apple feature for "music"
apps I would be shocked if it did not work with the BARD app.  So you
should be able to use a physical button to stop and start.
I play books most of the time and have no battery problems from it.
Only battery problems are from GPS type apps.
I would explain how to put books on the phone with iTunes but it won't
be necessary after the BARD app is here.
At night I do use my BARD player or my Victor since it is much easier
and has the sleep feature.  But I have traveled with only the iPhone
and used it at night as well.
The BARD app is the reason I got my iPhone in the first place and I
got a 64 G to be ready.  I am sooo ready!!!
Sherrie



-Original Message- From: Rick Alfaro
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

That's a very good point. One can do it but but not as easy and as
straight forward as it should be.

I'm thinking about the possibility of using DownCast for mp3 audio
books but haven't tried it yet.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 4:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I still haven't found an easy way to put audio books on the IPhone
which are not Audible books. So without this, I still need my
BookSense.

On 9/13/13, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like
having a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about
the battery consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my
Booksense, and by pressing just one button, s

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-15 Thread Chuck Dean
I wonder why it is possible to search and download books directly from the Read 
2 Go app, if this is indeed an Apple restriction. 
I do not see a difference. 

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Sep 15, 2013, at 9:43 AM, Andy Baracco  wrote:

> Unfortunately, this is a restriction put in place by Apple, and applies to 
> all vendors of content, except for Apple, of course. However, I think that 
> there should be an exception in this case, because there is no money changing 
> hands.
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Michael Malver
> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 4:18 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
> 
> I personally hope that an organized campaign can be created once the initial
> version is released to make it clear (assuming I'm not in a minority) that
> we want a search and download feature built into the phone.  If we have
> enough knowledge to go on the web and create a wish list in the first place,
> we should be able to handle a search screen in the bard app.  Making people
> go to the web and add books in the kindle app makes sense since sales are
> involved, but for the bard app, by only disappointment, upon hearing
> reviews, was that no search facility  was included.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 12:23 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
> 
> According to the interviews last spring, you could download books directly
> to your device from the recently released list and your wish list. You can
> use a browser to add books to your wish list. I assume you can also copy
> them over to your iPhone via iTunes.
> 
> On 09/15/2013 12:20 AM, Andy Baracco wrote:
>> Will you be able to select and download books directly through your
>> device, or will it be like the kindle and Nook apps where you have to
>> do the actual selection on a PC and go back to your device to have it
>> transferred to your device?
>> 
>> Andy
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Sherrie
>> Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 3:36 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>> 
>> I love listening to books on my iPhone.  I have been using an app
>> called Audio Book and Podcast Player to listen to mp3 books with no
>> problems.  I think the Bard app will be similar.  The nice part is
>> that when using wired earphones (which I do all the time) you can stop
>> and start the books with the switch in the earphone wire.  Since this
>> is an Apple feature for "music"
>> apps I would be shocked if it did not work with the BARD app.  So you
>> should be able to use a physical button to stop and start.
>> I play books most of the time and have no battery problems from it.
>> Only battery problems are from GPS type apps.
>> I would explain how to put books on the phone with iTunes but it won't
>> be necessary after the BARD app is here.
>> At night I do use my BARD player or my Victor since it is much easier
>> and has the sleep feature.  But I have traveled with only the iPhone
>> and used it at night as well.
>> The BARD app is the reason I got my iPhone in the first place and I
>> got a 64 G to be ready.  I am sooo ready!!!
>> Sherrie
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Rick Alfaro
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>> 
>> That's a very good point. One can do it but but not as easy and as
>> straight forward as it should be.
>> 
>> I'm thinking about the possibility of using DownCast for mp3 audio
>> books but haven't tried it yet.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Rick Alfaro
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 4:29 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>> 
>> I still haven't found an easy way to put audio books on the IPhone
>> which are not Audible books. So without this, I still need my
>> BookSense.
>> 
>> On 9/13/13, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>>> I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like
>>> having

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-15 Thread Andy Baracco
When I was at ACB, the NLS presentor said that due to restrictions imposed 
by Apple, that content will not be able to be downloaded and installed 
directly within the app. You will need to go to the web site either with a 
PC or using Safari on your device, and place content in your wish list, then 
you can go into the app, and transfer the content to your device. This 
basically works the same way as with kindle or Nook books.

Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Raul A. Gallegos

Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 9:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I think many of you are jumping the gun on what the app has and doesn't
have. So, why not wait for the app to be released then find out what you
should campaign for based on what it has or doesn't have.

--
Raul A. Gallegos
Nitrogen asked Oxygen out on a date.Oxygen said NO. - Sheldon Cooper
Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47

On 9/15/2013 6:18 AM, Michael Malver wrote:
I personally hope that an organized campaign can be created once the 
initial

version is released to make it clear (assuming I'm not in a minority) that
we want a search and download feature built into the phone.  If we have
enough knowledge to go on the web and create a wish list in the first 
place,
we should be able to handle a search screen in the bard app.  Making 
people

go to the web and add books in the kindle app makes sense since sales are
involved, but for the bard app, by only disappointment, upon hearing
reviews, was that no search facility  was included.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 12:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

According to the interviews last spring, you could download books directly
to your device from the recently released list and your wish list. You can
use a browser to add books to your wish list. I assume you can also copy
them over to your iPhone via iTunes.

On 09/15/2013 12:20 AM, Andy Baracco wrote:

Will you be able to select and download books directly through your
device, or will it be like the kindle and Nook apps where you have to
do the actual selection on a PC and go back to your device to have it
transferred to your device?

Andy


-Original Message- From: Sherrie
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 3:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I love listening to books on my iPhone.  I have been using an app
called Audio Book and Podcast Player to listen to mp3 books with no
problems.  I think the Bard app will be similar.  The nice part is
that when using wired earphones (which I do all the time) you can stop
and start the books with the switch in the earphone wire.  Since this
is an Apple feature for "music"
apps I would be shocked if it did not work with the BARD app.  So you
should be able to use a physical button to stop and start.
I play books most of the time and have no battery problems from it.
Only battery problems are from GPS type apps.
I would explain how to put books on the phone with iTunes but it won't
be necessary after the BARD app is here.
At night I do use my BARD player or my Victor since it is much easier
and has the sleep feature.  But I have traveled with only the iPhone
and used it at night as well.
The BARD app is the reason I got my iPhone in the first place and I
got a 64 G to be ready.  I am sooo ready!!!
Sherrie



-Original Message- From: Rick Alfaro
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

That's a very good point. One can do it but but not as easy and as
straight forward as it should be.

I'm thinking about the possibility of using DownCast for mp3 audio
books but haven't tried it yet.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 4:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I still haven't found an easy way to put audio books on the IPhone
which are not Audible books. So without this, I still need my
BookSense.

On 9/13/13, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like
having a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about
the battery consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my
Booksense, and by pressing just one button, start reading a book
right where I left off. No need to unlock the device, jump to the app
switcher and bring up my BARD Mobile app to start reading again. The
fact that it's a physical button, and I can just pause/play my
reading by hitting a physical button while the Booksense is in

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-15 Thread Andy Baracco
Unfortunately, this is a restriction put in place by Apple, and applies to 
all vendors of content, except for Apple, of course. However, I think that 
there should be an exception in this case, because there is no money 
changing hands.


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Michael Malver

Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 4:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I personally hope that an organized campaign can be created once the initial
version is released to make it clear (assuming I'm not in a minority) that
we want a search and download feature built into the phone.  If we have
enough knowledge to go on the web and create a wish list in the first place,
we should be able to handle a search screen in the bard app.  Making people
go to the web and add books in the kindle app makes sense since sales are
involved, but for the bard app, by only disappointment, upon hearing
reviews, was that no search facility  was included.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 12:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

According to the interviews last spring, you could download books directly
to your device from the recently released list and your wish list. You can
use a browser to add books to your wish list. I assume you can also copy
them over to your iPhone via iTunes.

On 09/15/2013 12:20 AM, Andy Baracco wrote:

Will you be able to select and download books directly through your
device, or will it be like the kindle and Nook apps where you have to
do the actual selection on a PC and go back to your device to have it
transferred to your device?

Andy


-Original Message- From: Sherrie
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 3:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I love listening to books on my iPhone.  I have been using an app
called Audio Book and Podcast Player to listen to mp3 books with no
problems.  I think the Bard app will be similar.  The nice part is
that when using wired earphones (which I do all the time) you can stop
and start the books with the switch in the earphone wire.  Since this
is an Apple feature for "music"
apps I would be shocked if it did not work with the BARD app.  So you
should be able to use a physical button to stop and start.
I play books most of the time and have no battery problems from it.
Only battery problems are from GPS type apps.
I would explain how to put books on the phone with iTunes but it won't
be necessary after the BARD app is here.
At night I do use my BARD player or my Victor since it is much easier
and has the sleep feature.  But I have traveled with only the iPhone
and used it at night as well.
The BARD app is the reason I got my iPhone in the first place and I
got a 64 G to be ready.  I am sooo ready!!!
Sherrie



-Original Message- From: Rick Alfaro
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

That's a very good point. One can do it but but not as easy and as
straight forward as it should be.

I'm thinking about the possibility of using DownCast for mp3 audio
books but haven't tried it yet.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 4:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I still haven't found an easy way to put audio books on the IPhone
which are not Audible books. So without this, I still need my
BookSense.

On 9/13/13, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like
having a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about
the battery consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my
Booksense, and by pressing just one button, start reading a book
right where I left off. No need to unlock the device, jump to the app
switcher and bring up my BARD Mobile app to start reading again. The
fact that it's a physical button, and I can just pause/play my
reading by hitting a physical button while the Booksense is in my
pocket, is also a plus. I know it's not that hard to get the BARD
Mobile app to start reading again, but it is convenient to have a
device dedicated to my book reading and being only one button away from

reading.


I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around.
I can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a
lanyard, so I can just hang it from my neck.

Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the
BARD Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both
my iPhone and my Book

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-15 Thread Brent Harding
I think some of that could be Apple rules and restrictions. I've heard they 
usually don't let book apps let you search and download right from the app, 
but let you sync with a wishless or something.


- Original Message - 
From: "Arnold Schmidt" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


Under the get books tab at the bottom of the screen, there is wish list, a 
link to go through the recently added books, then one that says brows 
bard. This link is just like logging onto the web site itself, except you 
don't have to log on, provided that your app is set up with your account. 
In there, you can do everything you can do on the web site, including 
searching for books.  You can't download them from this screen, you have 
to add them to the wish list, then back out of the browse bard screen, and 
wish list is at the top of the previous screen.   From the screen that 
lists the recently added books, the link directly below wish list, you can 
download them without having to add them to your wish list.  But I have 
come to prefer using the browse bard link, rather than this screen.  It 
will be a matter of personal preference.


Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Malver" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 7:18 AM
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


I personally hope that an organized campaign can be created once the 
initial
version is released to make it clear (assuming I'm not in a minority) 
that

we want a search and download feature built into the phone.  If we have
enough knowledge to go on the web and create a wish list in the first 
place,
we should be able to handle a search screen in the bard app.  Making 
people

go to the web and add books in the kindle app makes sense since sales are
involved, but for the bard app, by only disappointment, upon hearing
reviews, was that no search facility  was included.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 12:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

According to the interviews last spring, you could download books 
directly
to your device from the recently released list and your wish list. You 
can

use a browser to add books to your wish list. I assume you can also copy
them over to your iPhone via iTunes.

On 09/15/2013 12:20 AM, Andy Baracco wrote:

Will you be able to select and download books directly through your
device, or will it be like the kindle and Nook apps where you have to
do the actual selection on a PC and go back to your device to have it
transferred to your device?

Andy


-Original Message- From: Sherrie
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 3:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I love listening to books on my iPhone.  I have been using an app
called Audio Book and Podcast Player to listen to mp3 books with no
problems.  I think the Bard app will be similar.  The nice part is
that when using wired earphones (which I do all the time) you can stop
and start the books with the switch in the earphone wire.  Since this
is an Apple feature for "music"
apps I would be shocked if it did not work with the BARD app.  So you
should be able to use a physical button to stop and start.
I play books most of the time and have no battery problems from it.
Only battery problems are from GPS type apps.
I would explain how to put books on the phone with iTunes but it won't
be necessary after the BARD app is here.
At night I do use my BARD player or my Victor since it is much easier
and has the sleep feature.  But I have traveled with only the iPhone
and used it at night as well.
The BARD app is the reason I got my iPhone in the first place and I
got a 64 G to be ready.  I am sooo ready!!!
Sherrie



-Original Message- From: Rick Alfaro
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

That's a very good point. One can do it but but not as easy and as
straight forward as it should be.

I'm thinking about the possibility of using DownCast for mp3 audio
books but haven't tried it yet.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 4:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I still haven't found an easy way to put audio books on the IPhone
which are not Audible books. So without this, I still need my
BookSense.

On 9/13/13, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like
having a separate device. In addition to wh

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-15 Thread Chuck Dean
It was explained in the original podcast that this feature would be difficult 
to incorporate in the app and would delay the apps release. 
I have put a link to the bard website on my iPhone's home screen and find it 
extremely easy to add books to my wish list. It is only one small extra step, 
which will result in the best reading experience possible... And all for free. 

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Sep 15, 2013, at 4:18 AM, Michael Malver  wrote:

> I personally hope that an organized campaign can be created once the initial
> version is released to make it clear (assuming I'm not in a minority) that
> we want a search and download feature built into the phone.  If we have
> enough knowledge to go on the web and create a wish list in the first place,
> we should be able to handle a search screen in the bard app.  Making people
> go to the web and add books in the kindle app makes sense since sales are
> involved, but for the bard app, by only disappointment, upon hearing
> reviews, was that no search facility  was included.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 12:23 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
> 
> According to the interviews last spring, you could download books directly
> to your device from the recently released list and your wish list. You can
> use a browser to add books to your wish list. I assume you can also copy
> them over to your iPhone via iTunes.
> 
> On 09/15/2013 12:20 AM, Andy Baracco wrote:
>> Will you be able to select and download books directly through your 
>> device, or will it be like the kindle and Nook apps where you have to 
>> do the actual selection on a PC and go back to your device to have it 
>> transferred to your device?
>> 
>> Andy
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Sherrie
>> Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 3:36 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>> 
>> I love listening to books on my iPhone.  I have been using an app 
>> called Audio Book and Podcast Player to listen to mp3 books with no 
>> problems.  I think the Bard app will be similar.  The nice part is 
>> that when using wired earphones (which I do all the time) you can stop 
>> and start the books with the switch in the earphone wire.  Since this 
>> is an Apple feature for "music"
>> apps I would be shocked if it did not work with the BARD app.  So you 
>> should be able to use a physical button to stop and start.
>> I play books most of the time and have no battery problems from it.  
>> Only battery problems are from GPS type apps.
>> I would explain how to put books on the phone with iTunes but it won't 
>> be necessary after the BARD app is here.
>> At night I do use my BARD player or my Victor since it is much easier 
>> and has the sleep feature.  But I have traveled with only the iPhone 
>> and used it at night as well.
>> The BARD app is the reason I got my iPhone in the first place and I 
>> got a 64 G to be ready.  I am sooo ready!!!
>> Sherrie
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Rick Alfaro
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>> 
>> That's a very good point. One can do it but but not as easy and as 
>> straight forward as it should be.
>> 
>> I'm thinking about the possibility of using DownCast for mp3 audio 
>> books but haven't tried it yet.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Rick Alfaro
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 4:29 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>> 
>> I still haven't found an easy way to put audio books on the IPhone 
>> which are not Audible books. So without this, I still need my 
>> BookSense.
>> 
>> On 9/13/13, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>>> I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like 
>>> having a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about 
>>> the battery consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my 
>>> Booksense, and by pressing just one button, start reading a book 
>>> right

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-15 Thread Raul A. Gallegos
I think many of you are jumping the gun on what the app has and doesn't 
have. So, why not wait for the app to be released then find out what you 
should campaign for based on what it has or doesn't have.


--
Raul A. Gallegos
Nitrogen asked Oxygen out on a date.Oxygen said NO. - Sheldon Cooper
Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47

On 9/15/2013 6:18 AM, Michael Malver wrote:

I personally hope that an organized campaign can be created once the initial
version is released to make it clear (assuming I'm not in a minority) that
we want a search and download feature built into the phone.  If we have
enough knowledge to go on the web and create a wish list in the first place,
we should be able to handle a search screen in the bard app.  Making people
go to the web and add books in the kindle app makes sense since sales are
involved, but for the bard app, by only disappointment, upon hearing
reviews, was that no search facility  was included.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 12:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

According to the interviews last spring, you could download books directly
to your device from the recently released list and your wish list. You can
use a browser to add books to your wish list. I assume you can also copy
them over to your iPhone via iTunes.

On 09/15/2013 12:20 AM, Andy Baracco wrote:

Will you be able to select and download books directly through your
device, or will it be like the kindle and Nook apps where you have to
do the actual selection on a PC and go back to your device to have it
transferred to your device?

Andy


-Original Message- From: Sherrie
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 3:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I love listening to books on my iPhone.  I have been using an app
called Audio Book and Podcast Player to listen to mp3 books with no
problems.  I think the Bard app will be similar.  The nice part is
that when using wired earphones (which I do all the time) you can stop
and start the books with the switch in the earphone wire.  Since this
is an Apple feature for "music"
apps I would be shocked if it did not work with the BARD app.  So you
should be able to use a physical button to stop and start.
I play books most of the time and have no battery problems from it.
Only battery problems are from GPS type apps.
I would explain how to put books on the phone with iTunes but it won't
be necessary after the BARD app is here.
At night I do use my BARD player or my Victor since it is much easier
and has the sleep feature.  But I have traveled with only the iPhone
and used it at night as well.
The BARD app is the reason I got my iPhone in the first place and I
got a 64 G to be ready.  I am sooo ready!!!
Sherrie



-Original Message- From: Rick Alfaro
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

That's a very good point. One can do it but but not as easy and as
straight forward as it should be.

I'm thinking about the possibility of using DownCast for mp3 audio
books but haven't tried it yet.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 4:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I still haven't found an easy way to put audio books on the IPhone
which are not Audible books. So without this, I still need my
BookSense.

On 9/13/13, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like
having a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about
the battery consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my
Booksense, and by pressing just one button, start reading a book
right where I left off. No need to unlock the device, jump to the app
switcher and bring up my BARD Mobile app to start reading again. The
fact that it's a physical button, and I can just pause/play my
reading by hitting a physical button while the Booksense is in my
pocket, is also a plus. I know it's not that hard to get the BARD
Mobile app to start reading again, but it is convenient to have a
device dedicated to my book reading and being only one button away from

reading.


I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around.
I can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a
lanyard, so I can just hang it from my neck.

Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the
BARD Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both
my iPhone and my Booksense to read BARD books once I 

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-15 Thread Arnold Schmidt
Under the get books tab at the bottom of the screen, there is wish list, a 
link to go through the recently added books, then one that says brows bard. 
This link is just like logging onto the web site itself, except you don't 
have to log on, provided that your app is set up with your account.  In 
there, you can do everything you can do on the web site, including searching 
for books.  You can't download them from this screen, you have to add them 
to the wish list, then back out of the browse bard screen, and wish list is 
at the top of the previous screen.   From the screen that lists the recently 
added books, the link directly below wish list, you can download them 
without having to add them to your wish list.  But I have come to prefer 
using the browse bard link, rather than this screen.  It will be a matter of 
personal preference.


Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Malver" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 7:18 AM
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


I personally hope that an organized campaign can be created once the 
initial

version is released to make it clear (assuming I'm not in a minority) that
we want a search and download feature built into the phone.  If we have
enough knowledge to go on the web and create a wish list in the first 
place,
we should be able to handle a search screen in the bard app.  Making 
people

go to the web and add books in the kindle app makes sense since sales are
involved, but for the bard app, by only disappointment, upon hearing
reviews, was that no search facility  was included.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 12:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

According to the interviews last spring, you could download books directly
to your device from the recently released list and your wish list. You can
use a browser to add books to your wish list. I assume you can also copy
them over to your iPhone via iTunes.

On 09/15/2013 12:20 AM, Andy Baracco wrote:

Will you be able to select and download books directly through your
device, or will it be like the kindle and Nook apps where you have to
do the actual selection on a PC and go back to your device to have it
transferred to your device?

Andy


-Original Message- From: Sherrie
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 3:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I love listening to books on my iPhone.  I have been using an app
called Audio Book and Podcast Player to listen to mp3 books with no
problems.  I think the Bard app will be similar.  The nice part is
that when using wired earphones (which I do all the time) you can stop
and start the books with the switch in the earphone wire.  Since this
is an Apple feature for "music"
apps I would be shocked if it did not work with the BARD app.  So you
should be able to use a physical button to stop and start.
I play books most of the time and have no battery problems from it.
Only battery problems are from GPS type apps.
I would explain how to put books on the phone with iTunes but it won't
be necessary after the BARD app is here.
At night I do use my BARD player or my Victor since it is much easier
and has the sleep feature.  But I have traveled with only the iPhone
and used it at night as well.
The BARD app is the reason I got my iPhone in the first place and I
got a 64 G to be ready.  I am sooo ready!!!
Sherrie



-Original Message- From: Rick Alfaro
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

That's a very good point. One can do it but but not as easy and as
straight forward as it should be.

I'm thinking about the possibility of using DownCast for mp3 audio
books but haven't tried it yet.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 4:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I still haven't found an easy way to put audio books on the IPhone
which are not Audible books. So without this, I still need my
BookSense.

On 9/13/13, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like
having a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about
the battery consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my
Booksense, and by pressing just one button, start reading a book
right where I left off. No need to unlock the device, jump to the app
switcher and bring up my BARD Mobile app to start reading again. The
fact that it's a physical button, and I can just pause/play my
reading by hitting a 

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-15 Thread Russ Kiehne

I haven't run across that with using voice dream reader.

-Original Message- 
From: Arianna

Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 10:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I think at that point, though, you still have the text wrapping toa new line 
in the middle of words. Whatever wordwrap is used in a lot of iOS apps is 
not very smart.



Thanks,
Ari

On Sep 14, 2013, at 8:16 AM, "Russ Kiehne"  wrote:

The victor reader stream will read brf files.  And I have used win bt to 
back translate brf files to text.  Then I can use voice dream reader with 
neospeech.  The neospeech used with boice dream reader sounds better than 
the neospeech on the booksense.


-Original Message- From: Arianna
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

Not to mention that, as far as I know, no app on the iPhone can make any 
sense of brf files. I have a lot of those in my collection, and the 
BookSense is the only thing that I know can play them. Well, the only 
thing that I have, at any rate. Plus, having physical buttons is rather 
nice. When I want to go back five seconds in a book, and I'm kind of 
sleepy, the last thing I want to do is fiddle around with a touchscreen. 
That being said, I will still get the app; but I'll keep my BookSense 
around, too.



Thanks,
Ari

On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
wrote:


I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like having 
a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about the battery 
consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my Booksense, and by 
pressing just one button, start reading a book right where I left off. No 
need to unlock the device, jump to the app switcher and bring up my BARD 
Mobile app to start reading again. The fact that it's a physical button, 
and I can just pause/play my reading by hitting a physical button while 
the Booksense is in my pocket, is also a plus. I know it's not that hard 
to get the BARD Mobile app to start reading again, but it is convenient 
to have a device dedicated to my book reading and being only one button 
away from reading.


I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around. I 
can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a lanyard, 
so I can just hang it from my neck.


Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the 
BARD Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both my 
iPhone and my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on the 
BARD Mobile app.


On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:

there are advantages to using a separate device.
Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks 
down battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps 
that have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode 
reader). all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. 
Its been my experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when 
you want reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to 
have the extra devices on hand.


Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one 
device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than 
just a phone.


Just something to keep in mind.

-eric

On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:

Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded 
from
BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, 
and
Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine 
why
one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some 
may
still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be 
upgrading

to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.


Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let 
you

listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
---

Regards,

Alan

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Please click on:
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There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances 
played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly 
on my

website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Rumery" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
Subject:

RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-15 Thread Michael Malver
I personally hope that an organized campaign can be created once the initial
version is released to make it clear (assuming I'm not in a minority) that
we want a search and download feature built into the phone.  If we have
enough knowledge to go on the web and create a wish list in the first place,
we should be able to handle a search screen in the bard app.  Making people
go to the web and add books in the kindle app makes sense since sales are
involved, but for the bard app, by only disappointment, upon hearing
reviews, was that no search facility  was included.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 12:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

According to the interviews last spring, you could download books directly
to your device from the recently released list and your wish list. You can
use a browser to add books to your wish list. I assume you can also copy
them over to your iPhone via iTunes.

On 09/15/2013 12:20 AM, Andy Baracco wrote:
> Will you be able to select and download books directly through your 
> device, or will it be like the kindle and Nook apps where you have to 
> do the actual selection on a PC and go back to your device to have it 
> transferred to your device?
>
> Andy
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Sherrie
> Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 3:36 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>
> I love listening to books on my iPhone.  I have been using an app 
> called Audio Book and Podcast Player to listen to mp3 books with no 
> problems.  I think the Bard app will be similar.  The nice part is 
> that when using wired earphones (which I do all the time) you can stop 
> and start the books with the switch in the earphone wire.  Since this 
> is an Apple feature for "music"
> apps I would be shocked if it did not work with the BARD app.  So you 
> should be able to use a physical button to stop and start.
> I play books most of the time and have no battery problems from it.  
> Only battery problems are from GPS type apps.
> I would explain how to put books on the phone with iTunes but it won't 
> be necessary after the BARD app is here.
> At night I do use my BARD player or my Victor since it is much easier 
> and has the sleep feature.  But I have traveled with only the iPhone 
> and used it at night as well.
> The BARD app is the reason I got my iPhone in the first place and I 
> got a 64 G to be ready.  I am sooo ready!!!
> Sherrie
>
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Rick Alfaro
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>
> That's a very good point. One can do it but but not as easy and as 
> straight forward as it should be.
>
> I'm thinking about the possibility of using DownCast for mp3 audio 
> books but haven't tried it yet.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rick Alfaro
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 4:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>
> I still haven't found an easy way to put audio books on the IPhone 
> which are not Audible books. So without this, I still need my 
> BookSense.
>
> On 9/13/13, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like 
>> having a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about 
>> the battery consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my 
>> Booksense, and by pressing just one button, start reading a book 
>> right where I left off. No need to unlock the device, jump to the app 
>> switcher and bring up my BARD Mobile app to start reading again. The 
>> fact that it's a physical button, and I can just pause/play my 
>> reading by hitting a physical button while the Booksense is in my 
>> pocket, is also a plus. I know it's not that hard to get the BARD 
>> Mobile app to start reading again, but it is convenient to have a 
>> device dedicated to my book reading and being only one button away from
reading.
>>
>> I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around.
>> I can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a 
>> lanyard, so I can just hang it from my neck.
>>
>> Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the 
>> BARD Mobile app? I'm not s

Moderator's reminder about subject lines - Was Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-14 Thread Raul A. Gallegos
Hello all, Daniel is correct. I've read around 8 messages which have 
zero to do with the BARD app. I don't yet know how many more there are, 
but please folks, if you will be talking about something totally 
different, change the subject line. if it's something which has morphed 
from BARD to battery drainage, then change the subject even if you keep 
the same thread. However if you will be talking about something totally 
different regardless of BARD, then just start a new message with your 
thoughts.


Thanks all.

--
Raul A. Gallegos
It amazes me how annoying some people can be in 140 characters or less. 
- Sheldon Cooper

Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47

On 9/14/2013 8:24 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:

I don't need to put a damper on this, but shouldn't the subject line be 
changed? This thread has nothing to do with the bar app anymore, but it's about 
batteries and wordwrap. Also, from what I just heard, the BART app is still in 
beta and has not been submitted for approval.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 14, 2013, at 12:30 PM, Arianna  wrote:

I think at that point, though, you still have the text wrapping toa new line in 
the middle of words. Whatever wordwrap is used in a lot of iOS apps is not very 
smart.


Thanks,
Ari


On Sep 14, 2013, at 8:16 AM, "Russ Kiehne"  wrote:

The victor reader stream will read brf files.  And I have used win bt to back 
translate brf files to text.  Then I can use voice dream reader with neospeech. 
 The neospeech used with boice dream reader sounds better than the neospeech on 
the booksense.

-Original Message- From: Arianna
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

Not to mention that, as far as I know, no app on the iPhone can make any sense 
of brf files. I have a lot of those in my collection, and the BookSense is the 
only thing that I know can play them. Well, the only thing that I have, at any 
rate. Plus, having physical buttons is rather nice. When I want to go back five 
seconds in a book, and I'm kind of sleepy, the last thing I want to do is 
fiddle around with a touchscreen. That being said, I will still get the app; 
but I'll keep my BookSense around, too.


Thanks,
Ari


On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like having a 
separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about the battery 
consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my Booksense, and by 
pressing just one button, start reading a book right where I left off. No need 
to unlock the device, jump to the app switcher and bring up my BARD Mobile app 
to start reading again. The fact that it's a physical button, and I can just 
pause/play my reading by hitting a physical button while the Booksense is in my 
pocket, is also a plus. I know it's not that hard to get the BARD Mobile app to 
start reading again, but it is convenient to have a device dedicated to my book 
reading and being only one button away from reading.

I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around. I can 
operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a lanyard, so I can 
just hang it from my neck.

Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the BARD 
Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both my iPhone and 
my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on the BARD Mobile app.


On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:
there are advantages to using a separate device.
Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down 
battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that have 
discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader). all of 
these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my experience 
that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want reliability without 
sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra devices on hand.

Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one device, 
but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just a phone.

Just something to keep in mind.

-eric


On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:

Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, and
Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine why
one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some may
still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be upgrading
to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.


Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Friday, 

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-14 Thread Christopher Chaltain

No, you could use Safari from your iPhone.

On 09/15/2013 12:38 AM, Andy Baracco wrote:

So you would still need a PC to place books on your wish list?

Andy


-Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 10:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

According to the interviews last spring, you could download books
directly to your device from the recently released list and your wish
list. You can use a browser to add books to your wish list. I assume you
can also copy them over to your iPhone via iTunes.

On 09/15/2013 12:20 AM, Andy Baracco wrote:

Will you be able to select and download books directly through your
device, or will it be like the kindle and Nook apps where you have to do
the actual selection on a PC and go back to your device to have it
transferred to your device?

Andy


-Original Message- From: Sherrie
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 3:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I love listening to books on my iPhone.  I have been using an app called
Audio Book and Podcast Player to listen to mp3 books with no problems.  I
think the Bard app will be similar.  The nice part is that when using
wired
earphones (which I do all the time) you can stop and start the books with
the switch in the earphone wire.  Since this is an Apple feature for
"music"
apps I would be shocked if it did not work with the BARD app.  So you
should
be able to use a physical button to stop and start.
I play books most of the time and have no battery problems from it.  Only
battery problems are from GPS type apps.
I would explain how to put books on the phone with iTunes but it won't be
necessary after the BARD app is here.
At night I do use my BARD player or my Victor since it is much easier and
has the sleep feature.  But I have traveled with only the iPhone and
used it
at night as well.
The BARD app is the reason I got my iPhone in the first place and I got
a 64
G to be ready.  I am sooo ready!!!
Sherrie



-Original Message- From: Rick Alfaro
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

That's a very good point. One can do it but but not as easy and as
straight
forward as it should be.

I'm thinking about the possibility of using DownCast for mp3 audio books
but
haven't tried it yet.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 4:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I still haven't found an easy way to put audio books on the IPhone which
are
not Audible books. So without this, I still need my BookSense.

On 9/13/13, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like
having a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about
the battery consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my
Booksense, and by pressing just one button, start reading a book right
where I left off. No need to unlock the device, jump to the app
switcher and bring up my BARD Mobile app to start reading again. The
fact that it's a physical button, and I can just pause/play my reading
by hitting a physical button while the Booksense is in my pocket, is
also a plus. I know it's not that hard to get the BARD Mobile app to
start reading again, but it is convenient to have a device dedicated
to my book reading and being only one button away from reading.

I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around.
I can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a
lanyard, so I can just hang it from my neck.

Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the
BARD Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both
my iPhone and my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on
the BARD Mobile app.

On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:

there are advantages to using a separate device.
Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks
down battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other
apps that have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and

barcode reader).

all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its
been my experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you
want reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have
the extra devices on hand.

Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one
device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than
just a phone.

Just something to keep in mind.

-eric

On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:


Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-14 Thread Andy Baracco

So you would still need a PC to place books on your wish list?

Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Chaltain

Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 10:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

According to the interviews last spring, you could download books
directly to your device from the recently released list and your wish
list. You can use a browser to add books to your wish list. I assume you
can also copy them over to your iPhone via iTunes.

On 09/15/2013 12:20 AM, Andy Baracco wrote:

Will you be able to select and download books directly through your
device, or will it be like the kindle and Nook apps where you have to do
the actual selection on a PC and go back to your device to have it
transferred to your device?

Andy


-Original Message- From: Sherrie
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 3:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I love listening to books on my iPhone.  I have been using an app called
Audio Book and Podcast Player to listen to mp3 books with no problems.  I
think the Bard app will be similar.  The nice part is that when using 
wired

earphones (which I do all the time) you can stop and start the books with
the switch in the earphone wire.  Since this is an Apple feature for
"music"
apps I would be shocked if it did not work with the BARD app.  So you
should
be able to use a physical button to stop and start.
I play books most of the time and have no battery problems from it.  Only
battery problems are from GPS type apps.
I would explain how to put books on the phone with iTunes but it won't be
necessary after the BARD app is here.
At night I do use my BARD player or my Victor since it is much easier and
has the sleep feature.  But I have traveled with only the iPhone and
used it
at night as well.
The BARD app is the reason I got my iPhone in the first place and I got
a 64
G to be ready.  I am sooo ready!!!
Sherrie



-Original Message- From: Rick Alfaro
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

That's a very good point. One can do it but but not as easy and as 
straight

forward as it should be.

I'm thinking about the possibility of using DownCast for mp3 audio books
but
haven't tried it yet.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 4:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I still haven't found an easy way to put audio books on the IPhone which
are
not Audible books. So without this, I still need my BookSense.

On 9/13/13, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like
having a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about
the battery consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my
Booksense, and by pressing just one button, start reading a book right
where I left off. No need to unlock the device, jump to the app
switcher and bring up my BARD Mobile app to start reading again. The
fact that it's a physical button, and I can just pause/play my reading
by hitting a physical button while the Booksense is in my pocket, is
also a plus. I know it's not that hard to get the BARD Mobile app to
start reading again, but it is convenient to have a device dedicated
to my book reading and being only one button away from reading.

I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around.
I can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a
lanyard, so I can just hang it from my neck.

Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the
BARD Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both
my iPhone and my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on
the BARD Mobile app.

On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:

there are advantages to using a separate device.
Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks
down battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other
apps that have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and

barcode reader).

all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its
been my experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you
want reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have
the extra devices on hand.

Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one
device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than
just a phone.

Just something to keep in mind.

-eric

On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:


Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded
from BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kind

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-14 Thread Christopher Chaltain
According to the interviews last spring, you could download books 
directly to your device from the recently released list and your wish 
list. You can use a browser to add books to your wish list. I assume you 
can also copy them over to your iPhone via iTunes.


On 09/15/2013 12:20 AM, Andy Baracco wrote:

Will you be able to select and download books directly through your
device, or will it be like the kindle and Nook apps where you have to do
the actual selection on a PC and go back to your device to have it
transferred to your device?

Andy


-Original Message- From: Sherrie
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 3:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I love listening to books on my iPhone.  I have been using an app called
Audio Book and Podcast Player to listen to mp3 books with no problems.  I
think the Bard app will be similar.  The nice part is that when using wired
earphones (which I do all the time) you can stop and start the books with
the switch in the earphone wire.  Since this is an Apple feature for
"music"
apps I would be shocked if it did not work with the BARD app.  So you
should
be able to use a physical button to stop and start.
I play books most of the time and have no battery problems from it.  Only
battery problems are from GPS type apps.
I would explain how to put books on the phone with iTunes but it won't be
necessary after the BARD app is here.
At night I do use my BARD player or my Victor since it is much easier and
has the sleep feature.  But I have traveled with only the iPhone and
used it
at night as well.
The BARD app is the reason I got my iPhone in the first place and I got
a 64
G to be ready.  I am sooo ready!!!
Sherrie



-Original Message- From: Rick Alfaro
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

That's a very good point. One can do it but but not as easy and as straight
forward as it should be.

I'm thinking about the possibility of using DownCast for mp3 audio books
but
haven't tried it yet.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 4:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I still haven't found an easy way to put audio books on the IPhone which
are
not Audible books. So without this, I still need my BookSense.

On 9/13/13, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like
having a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about
the battery consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my
Booksense, and by pressing just one button, start reading a book right
where I left off. No need to unlock the device, jump to the app
switcher and bring up my BARD Mobile app to start reading again. The
fact that it's a physical button, and I can just pause/play my reading
by hitting a physical button while the Booksense is in my pocket, is
also a plus. I know it's not that hard to get the BARD Mobile app to
start reading again, but it is convenient to have a device dedicated
to my book reading and being only one button away from reading.

I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around.
I can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a
lanyard, so I can just hang it from my neck.

Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the
BARD Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both
my iPhone and my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on
the BARD Mobile app.

On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:

there are advantages to using a separate device.
Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks
down battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other
apps that have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and

barcode reader).

all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its
been my experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you
want reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have
the extra devices on hand.

Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one
device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than
just a phone.

Just something to keep in mind.

-eric

On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:


Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded
from BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the
Nook app, and Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books,
it's hard to imagine why one would need devices like the Stream or
BookSense but I'm sure some may still prefer using a separate
device. This is my plan so I will be upgradin

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-14 Thread Andy Baracco
Will you be able to select and download books directly through your device, 
or will it be like the kindle and Nook apps where you have to do the actual 
selection on a PC and go back to your device to have it transferred to your 
device?


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Sherrie

Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 3:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I love listening to books on my iPhone.  I have been using an app called
Audio Book and Podcast Player to listen to mp3 books with no problems.  I
think the Bard app will be similar.  The nice part is that when using wired
earphones (which I do all the time) you can stop and start the books with
the switch in the earphone wire.  Since this is an Apple feature for "music"
apps I would be shocked if it did not work with the BARD app.  So you should
be able to use a physical button to stop and start.
I play books most of the time and have no battery problems from it.  Only
battery problems are from GPS type apps.
I would explain how to put books on the phone with iTunes but it won't be
necessary after the BARD app is here.
At night I do use my BARD player or my Victor since it is much easier and
has the sleep feature.  But I have traveled with only the iPhone and used it
at night as well.
The BARD app is the reason I got my iPhone in the first place and I got a 64
G to be ready.  I am sooo ready!!!
Sherrie



-Original Message- 
From: Rick Alfaro

Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

That's a very good point. One can do it but but not as easy and as straight
forward as it should be.

I'm thinking about the possibility of using DownCast for mp3 audio books but
haven't tried it yet.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 4:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I still haven't found an easy way to put audio books on the IPhone which are
not Audible books. So without this, I still need my BookSense.

On 9/13/13, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like
having a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about
the battery consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my
Booksense, and by pressing just one button, start reading a book right
where I left off. No need to unlock the device, jump to the app
switcher and bring up my BARD Mobile app to start reading again. The
fact that it's a physical button, and I can just pause/play my reading
by hitting a physical button while the Booksense is in my pocket, is
also a plus. I know it's not that hard to get the BARD Mobile app to
start reading again, but it is convenient to have a device dedicated
to my book reading and being only one button away from reading.

I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around.
I can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a
lanyard, so I can just hang it from my neck.

Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the
BARD Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both
my iPhone and my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on
the BARD Mobile app.

On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:

there are advantages to using a separate device.
Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks
down battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other
apps that have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and

barcode reader).

all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its
been my experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you
want reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have
the extra devices on hand.

Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one
device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than
just a phone.

Just something to keep in mind.

-eric

On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:


Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded
from BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the
Nook app, and Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books,
it's hard to imagine why one would need devices like the Stream or
BookSense but I'm sure some may still prefer using a separate
device. This is my plan so I will be upgrading to the 64gb version
of the 5s so I have no issues with space.


Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BAR

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-14 Thread Sherrie
I love listening to books on my iPhone.  I have been using an app called 
Audio Book and Podcast Player to listen to mp3 books with no problems.  I 
think the Bard app will be similar.  The nice part is that when using wired 
earphones (which I do all the time) you can stop and start the books with 
the switch in the earphone wire.  Since this is an Apple feature for "music" 
apps I would be shocked if it did not work with the BARD app.  So you should 
be able to use a physical button to stop and start.
I play books most of the time and have no battery problems from it.  Only 
battery problems are from GPS type apps.
I would explain how to put books on the phone with iTunes but it won't be 
necessary after the BARD app is here.
At night I do use my BARD player or my Victor since it is much easier and 
has the sleep feature.  But I have traveled with only the iPhone and used it 
at night as well.
The BARD app is the reason I got my iPhone in the first place and I got a 64 
G to be ready.  I am sooo ready!!!

Sherrie



-Original Message- 
From: Rick Alfaro

Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

That's a very good point. One can do it but but not as easy and as straight
forward as it should be.

I'm thinking about the possibility of using DownCast for mp3 audio books but
haven't tried it yet.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 4:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I still haven't found an easy way to put audio books on the IPhone which are
not Audible books. So without this, I still need my BookSense.

On 9/13/13, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like
having a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about
the battery consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my
Booksense, and by pressing just one button, start reading a book right
where I left off. No need to unlock the device, jump to the app
switcher and bring up my BARD Mobile app to start reading again. The
fact that it's a physical button, and I can just pause/play my reading
by hitting a physical button while the Booksense is in my pocket, is
also a plus. I know it's not that hard to get the BARD Mobile app to
start reading again, but it is convenient to have a device dedicated
to my book reading and being only one button away from reading.

I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around.
I can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a
lanyard, so I can just hang it from my neck.

Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the
BARD Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both
my iPhone and my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on
the BARD Mobile app.

On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:

there are advantages to using a separate device.
Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks
down battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other
apps that have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and

barcode reader).

all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its
been my experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you
want reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have
the extra devices on hand.

Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one
device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than
just a phone.

Just something to keep in mind.

-eric

On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:


Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded
from BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the
Nook app, and Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books,
it's hard to imagine why one would need devices like the Stream or
BookSense but I'm sure some may still prefer using a separate
device. This is my plan so I will be upgrading to the 64gb version
of the 5s so I have no issues with space.


Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let
you listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-14 Thread David Andrews
The beta is called BARD Mobile so presumably the final version will 
be the same.


Dave

At 02:12 PM 9/13/2013, you wrote:

Does anybody know what the name of this app will be?
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formerly on my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - From: "Russ Kiehne" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval



Wow, that is great news.  I'm really looking forward to this app!

-Original Message- From: Bill Holton
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
is over and the app has been submitted.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Rumery
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I know
that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
for it.

Scott Rumery
On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:


The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.


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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-14 Thread David Andrews
Your information is incorrect.  The BARD app was submitted to the 
Apple App Store this past Thursday and the beta is done for now.


Dave

At 08:24 PM 9/14/2013, you wrote:
I don't need to put a damper on this, but shouldn't the subject line 
be changed? This thread has nothing to do with the bar app anymore, 
but it's about batteries and wordwrap. Also, from what I just heard, 
the BART app is still in beta and has not been submitted for approval.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2013, at 12:30 PM, Arianna  wrote:
>
> I think at that point, though, you still have the text wrapping 
toa new line in the middle of words. Whatever wordwrap is used in a 
lot of iOS apps is not very smart.

>
>
> Thanks,
> Ari
>
>> On Sep 14, 2013, at 8:16 AM, "Russ Kiehne"  wrote:
>>
>> The victor reader stream will read brf files.  And I have used 
win bt to back translate brf files to text.  Then I can use voice 
dream reader with neospeech.  The neospeech used with boice dream 
reader sounds better than the neospeech on the booksense.

>>
>> -Original Message- From: Arianna
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:44 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>
>> Not to mention that, as far as I know, no app on the iPhone can 
make any sense of brf files. I have a lot of those in my 
collection, and the BookSense is the only thing that I know can 
play them. Well, the only thing that I have, at any rate. Plus, 
having physical buttons is rather nice. When I want to go back five 
seconds in a book, and I'm kind of sleepy, the last thing I want to 
do is fiddle around with a touchscreen. That being said, I will 
still get the app; but I'll keep my BookSense around, too.

>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
>>
>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
 wrote:

>>>
>>> I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also 
like having a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below 
about the battery consumption, I also like just being able to pick 
up my Booksense, and by pressing just one button, start reading a 
book right where I left off. No need to unlock the device, jump to 
the app switcher and bring up my BARD Mobile app to start reading 
again. The fact that it's a physical button, and I can just 
pause/play my reading by hitting a physical button while the 
Booksense is in my pocket, is also a plus. I know it's not that 
hard to get the BARD Mobile app to start reading again, but it is 
convenient to have a device dedicated to my book reading and being 
only one button away from reading.

>>>
>>> I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry 
around. I can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also 
have a lanyard, so I can just hang it from my neck.

>>>
>>> Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone 
and the BARD Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be 
using both my iPhone and my Booksense to read BARD books once I get 
my hands on the BARD Mobile app.

>>>
>>>> On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:
>>>> there are advantages to using a separate device.
>>>> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media 
sucks down battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with 
other apps that have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color 
detector and barcode reader). all of these devices are specially 
designed for that one task. Its been my experience that iPhone apps 
are fine in a pinch, but when you want reliability without 
sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra devices on hand.

>>>>
>>>> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology 
in one device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot 
more than just a phone.

>>>>
>>>> Just something to keep in mind.
>>>>
>>>> -eric
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books 
downloaded from
>>>>> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the 
Nook app, and
>>>>> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard 
to imagine why
>>>>> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm 
sure some may
>>>>> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I 
will be upgrading

>>>>> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-14 Thread David Andrews
The android app won't be coming out before next year, from what I 
heard, problems with contractor, and with accessibility in Android.


Dave

At 12:14 PM 9/13/2013, you wrote:
One thing that may have enfluenced the NLS is, there are probably 
more blind iOS users than android users.


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On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Mike Arrigo 
<<mailto:n0...@charter.net>n0...@charter.net> wrote:


Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually 
wish they would have released them both at the same time.

Original message:

I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
is over and the app has been submitted.




-Original Message-
From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf

Of Scott Rumery
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:40 AM
To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval



How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I know
that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
for it.



Scott Rumery
On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton 
<<mailto:bill32...@gmail.com>bill32...@gmail.com> wrote:



The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.


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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-14 Thread David Andrews
I was a pre-beta, and beta tester and a message was sent to the beta 
list participants saying that the app had been submitted for approval.


Dave

At 09:26 PM 9/14/2013, you wrote:
HM MMM, my girlfriend just went to a presentation from NLS library 
into said that the app has not been submitted for approval, and that 
still in beta. Either way, I guess we'll just be on the lookout for it.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2013, at 8:52 PM, "Hope Paulos"  wrote:
>
> I am friends with a NLS librarian, and the app has indeed been 
submitted for

> approval.
> Hth
> Hope Paulos
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Daniel Miller
> Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 9:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>
> I don't need to put a damper on this, but shouldn't the subject line be
> changed? This thread has nothing to do with the bar app anymore, but it's
> about batteries and wordwrap. Also, from what I just heard, the BART app is
> still in beta and has not been submitted for approval.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 14, 2013, at 12:30 PM, Arianna  wrote:
>>
>> I think at that point, though, you still have the text wrapping toa new
> line in the middle of words. Whatever wordwrap is used in a lot of iOS apps
> is not very smart.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
>>
>>> On Sep 14, 2013, at 8:16 AM, "Russ Kiehne"  wrote:
>>>
>>> The victor reader stream will read brf files.  And I have used win bt to
> back translate brf files to text.  Then I can use voice dream reader with
> neospeech.  The neospeech used with boice dream reader sounds better than
> the neospeech on the booksense.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Arianna
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:44 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>>
>>> Not to mention that, as far as I know, no app on the iPhone can make any
> sense of brf files. I have a lot of those in my collection, and the
> BookSense is the only thing that I know can play them. Well, the only thing
> that I have, at any rate. Plus, having physical buttons is rather 
nice. When

> I want to go back five seconds in a book, and I'm kind of sleepy, the last
> thing I want to do is fiddle around with a touchscreen. That being said, I
> will still get the app; but I'll keep my BookSense around, too.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ari
>>>
>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like
> having a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about the
> battery consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my Booksense,
> and by pressing just one button, start reading a book right where I left
> off. No need to unlock the device, jump to the app switcher and bring up my
> BARD Mobile app to start reading again. The fact that it's a physical
> button, and I can just pause/play my reading by hitting a physical button
> while the Booksense is in my pocket, is also a plus. I know it's not that
> hard to get the BARD Mobile app to start reading again, but it is 
convenient
> to have a device dedicated to my book reading and being only one 
button away

> from reading.
>>>>
>>>> I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around.
> I can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a lanyard,
> so I can just hang it from my neck.
>>>>
>>>> Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the
> BARD Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both my
> iPhone and my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on the BARD
> Mobile app.
>>>>
>>>>> On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:
>>>>> there are advantages to using a separate device.
>>>>> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks
> down battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps
> that have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode
> reader). all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its
> been my experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want
> reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra
> devices on hand.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure, its convenient to have all your

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-14 Thread Arnold Schmidt
I was one of the beta testers. We received a message yesterday saying that 
the beta test was officially over, and that the app had been submitted for 
approval.


Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message - 
From: "Daniel Miller" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


HM MMM, my girlfriend just went to a presentation from NLS library into 
said that the app has not been submitted for approval, and that still in 
beta. Either way, I guess we'll just be on the lookout for it.


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 14, 2013, at 8:52 PM, "Hope Paulos"  wrote:

I am friends with a NLS librarian, and the app has indeed been submitted 
for

approval.
Hth
Hope Paulos

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Daniel Miller
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 9:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I don't need to put a damper on this, but shouldn't the subject line be
changed? This thread has nothing to do with the bar app anymore, but it's
about batteries and wordwrap. Also, from what I just heard, the BART app 
is

still in beta and has not been submitted for approval.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 14, 2013, at 12:30 PM, Arianna  wrote:

I think at that point, though, you still have the text wrapping toa new
line in the middle of words. Whatever wordwrap is used in a lot of iOS 
apps

is not very smart.



Thanks,
Ari


On Sep 14, 2013, at 8:16 AM, "Russ Kiehne"  wrote:

The victor reader stream will read brf files.  And I have used win bt 
to

back translate brf files to text.  Then I can use voice dream reader with
neospeech.  The neospeech used with boice dream reader sounds better than
the neospeech on the booksense.


-Original Message- From: Arianna
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

Not to mention that, as far as I know, no app on the iPhone can make 
any

sense of brf files. I have a lot of those in my collection, and the
BookSense is the only thing that I know can play them. Well, the only 
thing
that I have, at any rate. Plus, having physical buttons is rather nice. 
When
I want to go back five seconds in a book, and I'm kind of sleepy, the 
last
thing I want to do is fiddle around with a touchscreen. That being said, 
I

will still get the app; but I'll keep my BookSense around, too.



Thanks,
Ari


On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Christopher Chaltain 

wrote:


I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like

having a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about the
battery consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my Booksense,
and by pressing just one button, start reading a book right where I left
off. No need to unlock the device, jump to the app switcher and bring up 
my

BARD Mobile app to start reading again. The fact that it's a physical
button, and I can just pause/play my reading by hitting a physical button
while the Booksense is in my pocket, is also a plus. I know it's not that
hard to get the BARD Mobile app to start reading again, but it is 
convenient
to have a device dedicated to my book reading and being only one button 
away

from reading.


I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry 
around.
I can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a 
lanyard,

so I can just hang it from my neck.


Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the

BARD Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both my
iPhone and my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on the 
BARD

Mobile app.



On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:
there are advantages to using a separate device.
Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks

down battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps
that have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode
reader). all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. 
Its
been my experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you 
want
reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the 
extra

devices on hand.


Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one
device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just 
a

phone.


Just something to keep in mind.

-eric


On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:

Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books
downloaded from BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle
app, the Nook app, and Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare
books, it's hard to imagine why one would need devices like the
Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some may still prefer using a
separat

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-14 Thread Daniel Miller
HM MMM, my girlfriend just went to a presentation from NLS library into said 
that the app has not been submitted for approval, and that still in beta. 
Either way, I guess we'll just be on the lookout for it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2013, at 8:52 PM, "Hope Paulos"  wrote:
> 
> I am friends with a NLS librarian, and the app has indeed been submitted for
> approval. 
> Hth
> Hope Paulos
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Daniel Miller
> Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 9:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
> 
> I don't need to put a damper on this, but shouldn't the subject line be
> changed? This thread has nothing to do with the bar app anymore, but it's
> about batteries and wordwrap. Also, from what I just heard, the BART app is
> still in beta and has not been submitted for approval.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2013, at 12:30 PM, Arianna  wrote:
>> 
>> I think at that point, though, you still have the text wrapping toa new
> line in the middle of words. Whatever wordwrap is used in a lot of iOS apps
> is not very smart.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2013, at 8:16 AM, "Russ Kiehne"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The victor reader stream will read brf files.  And I have used win bt to
> back translate brf files to text.  Then I can use voice dream reader with
> neospeech.  The neospeech used with boice dream reader sounds better than
> the neospeech on the booksense.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Arianna
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:44 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>> 
>>> Not to mention that, as far as I know, no app on the iPhone can make any
> sense of brf files. I have a lot of those in my collection, and the
> BookSense is the only thing that I know can play them. Well, the only thing
> that I have, at any rate. Plus, having physical buttons is rather nice. When
> I want to go back five seconds in a book, and I'm kind of sleepy, the last
> thing I want to do is fiddle around with a touchscreen. That being said, I
> will still get the app; but I'll keep my BookSense around, too.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ari
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like
> having a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about the
> battery consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my Booksense,
> and by pressing just one button, start reading a book right where I left
> off. No need to unlock the device, jump to the app switcher and bring up my
> BARD Mobile app to start reading again. The fact that it's a physical
> button, and I can just pause/play my reading by hitting a physical button
> while the Booksense is in my pocket, is also a plus. I know it's not that
> hard to get the BARD Mobile app to start reading again, but it is convenient
> to have a device dedicated to my book reading and being only one button away
> from reading.
>>>> 
>>>> I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around.
> I can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a lanyard,
> so I can just hang it from my neck.
>>>> 
>>>> Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the
> BARD Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both my
> iPhone and my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on the BARD
> Mobile app.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:
>>>>> there are advantages to using a separate device.
>>>>> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks
> down battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps
> that have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode
> reader). all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its
> been my experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want
> reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra
> devices on hand.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one
> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just a
> phone.
>>>>> 
>>>>&g

RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-14 Thread Hope Paulos
I am friends with a NLS librarian, and the app has indeed been submitted for
approval. 
Hth
Hope Paulos

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Daniel Miller
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 9:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I don't need to put a damper on this, but shouldn't the subject line be
changed? This thread has nothing to do with the bar app anymore, but it's
about batteries and wordwrap. Also, from what I just heard, the BART app is
still in beta and has not been submitted for approval.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2013, at 12:30 PM, Arianna  wrote:
> 
> I think at that point, though, you still have the text wrapping toa new
line in the middle of words. Whatever wordwrap is used in a lot of iOS apps
is not very smart.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2013, at 8:16 AM, "Russ Kiehne"  wrote:
>> 
>> The victor reader stream will read brf files.  And I have used win bt to
back translate brf files to text.  Then I can use voice dream reader with
neospeech.  The neospeech used with boice dream reader sounds better than
the neospeech on the booksense.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Arianna
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:44 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>> 
>> Not to mention that, as far as I know, no app on the iPhone can make any
sense of brf files. I have a lot of those in my collection, and the
BookSense is the only thing that I know can play them. Well, the only thing
that I have, at any rate. Plus, having physical buttons is rather nice. When
I want to go back five seconds in a book, and I'm kind of sleepy, the last
thing I want to do is fiddle around with a touchscreen. That being said, I
will still get the app; but I'll keep my BookSense around, too.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
>> 
>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like
having a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about the
battery consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my Booksense,
and by pressing just one button, start reading a book right where I left
off. No need to unlock the device, jump to the app switcher and bring up my
BARD Mobile app to start reading again. The fact that it's a physical
button, and I can just pause/play my reading by hitting a physical button
while the Booksense is in my pocket, is also a plus. I know it's not that
hard to get the BARD Mobile app to start reading again, but it is convenient
to have a device dedicated to my book reading and being only one button away
from reading.
>>> 
>>> I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around.
I can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a lanyard,
so I can just hang it from my neck.
>>> 
>>> Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the
BARD Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both my
iPhone and my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on the BARD
Mobile app.
>>> 
>>>> On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:
>>>> there are advantages to using a separate device.
>>>> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks
down battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps
that have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode
reader). all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its
been my experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want
reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra
devices on hand.
>>>> 
>>>> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one
device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just a
phone.
>>>> 
>>>> Just something to keep in mind.
>>>> 
>>>> -eric
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books 
>>>>> downloaded from BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle 
>>>>> app, the Nook app, and Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare 
>>>>> books, it's hard to imagine why one would need devices like the 
>>>>> Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some may still prefer using a 
>>>>> separate device. This is my plan so I will be upgrading to the 64gb
version of the 5

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-14 Thread Daniel Miller
I don't need to put a damper on this, but shouldn't the subject line be 
changed? This thread has nothing to do with the bar app anymore, but it's about 
batteries and wordwrap. Also, from what I just heard, the BART app is still in 
beta and has not been submitted for approval.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2013, at 12:30 PM, Arianna  wrote:
> 
> I think at that point, though, you still have the text wrapping toa new line 
> in the middle of words. Whatever wordwrap is used in a lot of iOS apps is not 
> very smart.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2013, at 8:16 AM, "Russ Kiehne"  wrote:
>> 
>> The victor reader stream will read brf files.  And I have used win bt to 
>> back translate brf files to text.  Then I can use voice dream reader with 
>> neospeech.  The neospeech used with boice dream reader sounds better than 
>> the neospeech on the booksense.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Arianna
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:44 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>> 
>> Not to mention that, as far as I know, no app on the iPhone can make any 
>> sense of brf files. I have a lot of those in my collection, and the 
>> BookSense is the only thing that I know can play them. Well, the only thing 
>> that I have, at any rate. Plus, having physical buttons is rather nice. When 
>> I want to go back five seconds in a book, and I'm kind of sleepy, the last 
>> thing I want to do is fiddle around with a touchscreen. That being said, I 
>> will still get the app; but I'll keep my BookSense around, too.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
>> 
>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like having a 
>>> separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about the battery 
>>> consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my Booksense, and by 
>>> pressing just one button, start reading a book right where I left off. No 
>>> need to unlock the device, jump to the app switcher and bring up my BARD 
>>> Mobile app to start reading again. The fact that it's a physical button, 
>>> and I can just pause/play my reading by hitting a physical button while the 
>>> Booksense is in my pocket, is also a plus. I know it's not that hard to get 
>>> the BARD Mobile app to start reading again, but it is convenient to have a 
>>> device dedicated to my book reading and being only one button away from 
>>> reading.
>>> 
>>> I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around. I 
>>> can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a lanyard, so 
>>> I can just hang it from my neck.
>>> 
>>> Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the BARD 
>>> Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both my iPhone 
>>> and my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on the BARD Mobile 
>>> app.
>>> 
>>>> On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:
>>>> there are advantages to using a separate device.
>>>> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down 
>>>> battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that 
>>>> have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader). 
>>>> all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my 
>>>> experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want 
>>>> reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra 
>>>> devices on hand.
>>>> 
>>>> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one 
>>>> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just 
>>>> a phone.
>>>> 
>>>> Just something to keep in mind.
>>>> 
>>>> -eric
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
>>>>> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, and
>>>>> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine 
>>>>> why
>>>>> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some may
>>&

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-14 Thread Arianna
I think at that point, though, you still have the text wrapping toa new line in 
the middle of words. Whatever wordwrap is used in a lot of iOS apps is not very 
smart.


Thanks,
Ari

On Sep 14, 2013, at 8:16 AM, "Russ Kiehne"  wrote:

> The victor reader stream will read brf files.  And I have used win bt to back 
> translate brf files to text.  Then I can use voice dream reader with 
> neospeech.  The neospeech used with boice dream reader sounds better than the 
> neospeech on the booksense.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Arianna
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
> 
> Not to mention that, as far as I know, no app on the iPhone can make any 
> sense of brf files. I have a lot of those in my collection, and the BookSense 
> is the only thing that I know can play them. Well, the only thing that I 
> have, at any rate. Plus, having physical buttons is rather nice. When I want 
> to go back five seconds in a book, and I'm kind of sleepy, the last thing I 
> want to do is fiddle around with a touchscreen. That being said, I will still 
> get the app; but I'll keep my BookSense around, too.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
>> I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like having a 
>> separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about the battery 
>> consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my Booksense, and by 
>> pressing just one button, start reading a book right where I left off. No 
>> need to unlock the device, jump to the app switcher and bring up my BARD 
>> Mobile app to start reading again. The fact that it's a physical button, and 
>> I can just pause/play my reading by hitting a physical button while the 
>> Booksense is in my pocket, is also a plus. I know it's not that hard to get 
>> the BARD Mobile app to start reading again, but it is convenient to have a 
>> device dedicated to my book reading and being only one button away from 
>> reading.
>> 
>> I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around. I 
>> can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a lanyard, so 
>> I can just hang it from my neck.
>> 
>> Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the BARD 
>> Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both my iPhone 
>> and my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on the BARD Mobile 
>> app.
>> 
>> On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:
>>> there are advantages to using a separate device.
>>> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down 
>>> battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that 
>>> have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader). 
>>> all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my 
>>> experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want 
>>> reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra 
>>> devices on hand.
>>> 
>>> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one 
>>> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just a 
>>> phone.
>>> 
>>> Just something to keep in mind.
>>> 
>>> -eric
>>> 
>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
>>>> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, and
>>>> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine why
>>>> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some may
>>>> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be 
>>>> upgrading
>>>> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Rick Alfaro
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>>> Of Alan Paganelli
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>>> 
>>>> I haven't been following this thread.  

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-14 Thread Russ Kiehne

Is the mophie juice pack available for the ipod touch 5th generation?

-Original Message- 
From: Mike Arrigo

Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

Yes. I have one of these, the mophie juice pack case is awesome, as far as 
I'm concerned it's the best iphone case you can get.

On Sep 13, 2013, at 6:53 PM, "Rick Alfaro"  wrote:

Definitely, that would be my first accessory, a case with built-in 
battery.




Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joseph FreeTech
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 4:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

Unless one uses an extended battery and this issue of battery life is no
longer an issue.

Joseph

- Original Message -
From: "eric oyen" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


there are advantages to using a separate device.
Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down
battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that
have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader).
all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my
experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want
reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra
devices on hand.

Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one
device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just 
a

phone.

Just something to keep in mind.

-eric

On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:


Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, and
Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine
why
one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some may
still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be
upgrading
to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.


Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
---

Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played
on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on
my
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message -
From: "Scott Rumery" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval



How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I
know that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very
log



time for it.

Scott Rumery
On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:


The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.

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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-14 Thread Russ Kiehne
The victor reader stream will read brf files.  And I have used win bt to 
back translate brf files to text.  Then I can use voice dream reader with 
neospeech.  The neospeech used with boice dream reader sounds better than 
the neospeech on the booksense.


-Original Message- 
From: Arianna

Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

Not to mention that, as far as I know, no app on the iPhone can make any 
sense of brf files. I have a lot of those in my collection, and the 
BookSense is the only thing that I know can play them. Well, the only thing 
that I have, at any rate. Plus, having physical buttons is rather nice. When 
I want to go back five seconds in a book, and I'm kind of sleepy, the last 
thing I want to do is fiddle around with a touchscreen. That being said, I 
will still get the app; but I'll keep my BookSense around, too.



Thanks,
Ari

On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
wrote:


I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like having 
a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about the battery 
consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my Booksense, and by 
pressing just one button, start reading a book right where I left off. No 
need to unlock the device, jump to the app switcher and bring up my BARD 
Mobile app to start reading again. The fact that it's a physical button, 
and I can just pause/play my reading by hitting a physical button while 
the Booksense is in my pocket, is also a plus. I know it's not that hard 
to get the BARD Mobile app to start reading again, but it is convenient to 
have a device dedicated to my book reading and being only one button away 
from reading.


I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around. I 
can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a lanyard, 
so I can just hang it from my neck.


Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the BARD 
Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both my iPhone 
and my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on the BARD Mobile 
app.


On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:

there are advantages to using a separate device.
Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down 
battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that 
have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode 
reader). all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. 
Its been my experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you 
want reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the 
extra devices on hand.


Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one 
device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just 
a phone.


Just something to keep in mind.

-eric

On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:


Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, 
and
Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine 
why
one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some 
may
still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be 
upgrading

to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.


Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
---

Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played 
on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on 
my

website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message -
From: "Scott Rumery" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval



How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I
know that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very 
log



time for it.

Scott Rumery
On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:


The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.

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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-14 Thread Russ Kiehne
I think you are right.  Look at what happened with Amazon and the Kindle 
app.  Amazon made it fully accessible on Ios first.


-Original Message- 
From: Richard Ring

Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

One thing that may have enfluenced the NLS is, there are probably more blind 
iOS users than android users.



You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of 
Fielding

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On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish they 
would have released them both at the same time.

Original message:
I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
is over and the app has been submitted.


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Of Scott Rumery
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I know
that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
for it.

Scott Rumery
On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:

The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.

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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-14 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

Undoubtedly so.  For starters, Voiceover won’t be in constant use, and the 
display won’t be on.

hth

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:06 PM, Chuck Dean  wrote:

> I am wondering if the Bard app will use less battery then iBooks, Nook or the 
> Kindle apps while reading them with voice over.
> 
> Sometimes when I am listening to Pandora, I triple click the home button to 
> turn voiceover off to save battery.
> 
> Chuck (mobile)
> Please x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
> 
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 7:59 PM, Roger Frischenmeyer 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On 9/13/2013 9:41 PM, Brent Harding wrote:
>>> Yeah, I think I would listen to more books when the app comes out. I'd 
>>> rather have one device to do everything than individual stuff to do one 
>>> thing.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Ricardo Walker" 
>>> To: "viphone" 
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 6:00 PM
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I partly disagree here.  It depends on the media being played, and how the 
>>> content is being delivered really.  for the sake of this topic will just 
>>> keep it to audio.  I’ve listened to hours of audiobooks via the audible app 
>>> and only lose a few percentage points on my battery life.  The same goes 
>>> for listening to music stored on the device.  Of course, streaming audio 
>>> causes the battery to drain faster.
>>> 
>>> I mean, I agree that listening to audio will drain your battery but, 
>>> compared with all the other things we do with our phones, this doesn’t 
>>> really impact battery life as much.
>>> 
>>> As the saying goes though, to each their own.  I much rather have 1 less 
>>> device to carry although it means getting an hour a day less out of my 
>>> phone before charging.
>>> 
>>> JMO.
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 3:57 PM, eric oyen  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> there are advantages to using a separate device.
>>>> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down 
>>>> battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that 
>>>> have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader). 
>>>> all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my 
>>>> experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want 
>>>> reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra 
>>>> devices on hand.
>>>> 
>>>> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one 
>>>> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just 
>>>> a phone.
>>>> 
>>>> Just something to keep in mind.
>>>> 
>>>> -eric
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
>>>>> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, and
>>>>> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine 
>>>>> why
>>>>> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some may
>>>>> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be 
>>>>> upgrading
>>>>> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rick Alfaro
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>>>> Of Alan Paganelli
>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>>>> 
>>>>> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
>>>>> listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
>>>>> ---
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> 

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-14 Thread Arnold Schmidt
The fact that the bard app won't read brf files, with VoiceOver, , as can 
some of the commercial players, is one of the very few disappointments  to 
me about this app.  It seems that it would be so easy to include a braille 
translation table in it, and let VoiceOver read them.  But they just don't 
seem to be interested, at least for now.  One can use a braille display with 
it, and apparently  it works very well.  They said that, at this time, they 
were only trying to emulate their advanced player with the audio portion. I 
very easily can do everything with it that I can do with my advanced player. 
I love this app, despite the fact that I still have to use my stream to read 
brf files.


Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message - 
From: "Arianna" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


Not to mention that, as far as I know, no app on the iPhone can make any 
sense of brf files. I have a lot of those in my collection, and the 
BookSense is the only thing that I know can play them. Well, the only thing 
that I have, at any rate. Plus, having physical buttons is rather nice. When 
I want to go back five seconds in a book, and I'm kind of sleepy, the last 
thing I want to do is fiddle around with a touchscreen. That being said, I 
will still get the app; but I'll keep my BookSense around, too.



Thanks,
Ari

On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
wrote:


I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like having 
a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about the battery 
consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my Booksense, and by 
pressing just one button, start reading a book right where I left off. No 
need to unlock the device, jump to the app switcher and bring up my BARD 
Mobile app to start reading again. The fact that it's a physical button, 
and I can just pause/play my reading by hitting a physical button while 
the Booksense is in my pocket, is also a plus. I know it's not that hard 
to get the BARD Mobile app to start reading again, but it is convenient to 
have a device dedicated to my book reading and being only one button away 
from reading.


I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around. I 
can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a lanyard, 
so I can just hang it from my neck.


Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the BARD 
Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both my iPhone 
and my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on the BARD Mobile 
app.


On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:

there are advantages to using a separate device.
Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down 
battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that 
have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode 
reader). all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. 
Its been my experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you 
want reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the 
extra devices on hand.


Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one 
device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just 
a phone.


Just something to keep in mind.

-eric

On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:


Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, 
and
Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine 
why
one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some 
may
still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be 
upgrading

to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.


Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
---

Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played 
on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on 
my

website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Rumery" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: BARD app submit

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Arianna
That's great in theory, but all the apps I've tried have a nasty habit of 
breaking lines in the middle of words, which is really irritating.


Thanks,
Ari

On Sep 13, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Joseph FreeTech  wrote:

> You can always convert those brf files to text and read them on your IOS 
> device. Depending on what you are reading, if you are sleepy, you're not 
> going to recall what you just read, so whether having to press a physical 
> button or tap/swipe, you are not using time and your cognitive attention 
> efficiently.
> 
> Joseph
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Arianna" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:44 PM
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
> 
> 
> Not to mention that, as far as I know, no app on the iPhone can make any 
> sense of brf files. I have a lot of those in my collection, and the 
> BookSense is the only thing that I know can play them. Well, the only thing 
> that I have, at any rate. Plus, having physical buttons is rather nice. When 
> I want to go back five seconds in a book, and I'm kind of sleepy, the last 
> thing I want to do is fiddle around with a touchscreen. That being said, I 
> will still get the app; but I'll keep my BookSense around, too.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
>> I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like having 
>> a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about the battery 
>> consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my Booksense, and by 
>> pressing just one button, start reading a book right where I left off. No 
>> need to unlock the device, jump to the app switcher and bring up my BARD 
>> Mobile app to start reading again. The fact that it's a physical button, 
>> and I can just pause/play my reading by hitting a physical button while 
>> the Booksense is in my pocket, is also a plus. I know it's not that hard 
>> to get the BARD Mobile app to start reading again, but it is convenient to 
>> have a device dedicated to my book reading and being only one button away 
>> from reading.
>> 
>> I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around. I 
>> can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a lanyard, 
>> so I can just hang it from my neck.
>> 
>> Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the BARD 
>> Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both my iPhone 
>> and my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on the BARD Mobile 
>> app.
>> 
>> On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:
>>> there are advantages to using a separate device.
>>> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down 
>>> battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that 
>>> have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode 
>>> reader). all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. 
>>> Its been my experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you 
>>> want reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the 
>>> extra devices on hand.
>>> 
>>> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one 
>>> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just 
>>> a phone.
>>> 
>>> Just something to keep in mind.
>>> 
>>> -eric
>>> 
>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
>>>> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, 
>>>> and
>>>> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine 
>>>> why
>>>> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some 
>>>> may
>>>> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be 
>>>> upgrading
>>>> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Rick Alfaro
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Alan Paganelli
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>

RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Cristóbal
I second the Juice Pack. I got a great deal on a refurbished one a few
months ago for $15.00 and it's worked quite fine. I hafen't had to worry
about being out and about and getting stuck with a dead or close to dead
phone any more. That and dropping and scratching the phone is less of a
concern. I recently had to swap out myoriginal 4S with Sprint for a
reconditioned one since the volume button on it was broken. The replacement
phone I got went straight into the Juice Pack. So when and if I decide to
unload this phone I can get a bit more for it as it's got no scratches or
dings and will come with the battery case. 
I plan on making heavy use of the Bard app when it finally comes out. Having
the extra juice throughout the day will come in quite handy.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

Yes. I have one of these, the mophie juice pack case is awesome, as far as
I'm concerned it's the best iphone case you can get.
On Sep 13, 2013, at 6:53 PM, "Rick Alfaro"  wrote:

> Definitely, that would be my first accessory, a case with built-in
battery.
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Rick Alfaro
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Joseph FreeTech
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 4:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
> 
> Unless one uses an extended battery and this issue of battery life is 
> no longer an issue.
> 
> Joseph
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "eric oyen" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:57 PM
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
> 
> 
> there are advantages to using a separate device.
> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks 
> down battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other 
> apps that have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and
barcode reader).
> all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its 
> been my experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you 
> want reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have 
> the extra devices on hand.
> 
> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one 
> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than 
> just a phone.
> 
> Just something to keep in mind.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
> 
>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded 
>> from BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook 
>> app, and Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard 
>> to imagine why one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense 
>> but I'm sure some may still prefer using a separate device. This is 
>> my plan so I will be upgrading to the 64gb version of the 5s so I 
>> have no issues with space.
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Rick Alfaro
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Alan Paganelli
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>> 
>> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let 
>> you listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
>> ---
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>> 
>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>> 
>> Please click on:
>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances 
>> played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  
>> format formerly on my website are still available upon request.  
>> Thanks for listening!
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Scott Rumery" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>> 
>> 
>>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news 
>>> because I know that there are a lot of blind people who have been 
>>> waiting a very log
>> 
>>> time for 

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Scott Davert
Hi.
A few comments, all in one message so as not to clutter inboxes mmore
than necissary.
regarding battery life, it uses about the same amount as the music app
uses from what I can tell. I'm not sure how that would compare to
iBooks or Nook though, but my guess is that it would use less. You can
lock your screen and keep playing the audio on the BARD app. Not sure
about comparing it to Voice Dream either, since I do not have this
app.
As for Android accessibility, I'd posit that it does indeed have quite
a ways to go. Both in terms of access with speech, but much more so
for braile users. Also, and it could simply be because I'm more aware
of iOS apps, but it  seems like iOS has a lot more development in
terms of apps that we can use than Android. That's not tto say some
people aren't happy with their Android devices, I know they are, I can
only speak for myself in using a Nexus 7 for awhile with 4.3 that I
didn't find it a pleasant experience when using braille. Explore by
Touch also still seems a bit quirky.

Scott

On 9/13/13, Chuck Dean  wrote:
> I am wondering if the Bard app will use less battery then iBooks, Nook or
> the Kindle apps while reading them with voice over.
>
>  Sometimes when I am listening to Pandora, I triple click the home button to
> turn voiceover off to save battery.
>
> Chuck (mobile)
> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
>
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 7:59 PM, Roger Frischenmeyer
>  wrote:
>
>> On 9/13/2013 9:41 PM, Brent Harding wrote:
>>> Yeah, I think I would listen to more books when the app comes out. I'd
>>> rather have one device to do everything than individual stuff to do one
>>> thing.
>>>
>>> - Original Message ----- From: "Ricardo Walker"
>>> 
>>> To: "viphone" 
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 6:00 PM
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I partly disagree here.  It depends on the media being played, and how
>>> the content is being delivered really.  for the sake of this topic will
>>> just keep it to audio.  I’ve listened to hours of audiobooks via the
>>> audible app and only lose a few percentage points on my battery life.
>>> The same goes for listening to music stored on the device.  Of course,
>>> streaming audio causes the battery to drain faster.
>>>
>>> I mean, I agree that listening to audio will drain your battery but,
>>> compared with all the other things we do with our phones, this doesn’t
>>> really impact battery life as much.
>>>
>>> As the saying goes though, to each their own.  I much rather have 1 less
>>> device to carry although it means getting an hour a day less out of my
>>> phone before charging.
>>>
>>> JMO.
>>>
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>>
>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 3:57 PM, eric oyen  wrote:
>>>
>>>> there are advantages to using a separate device.
>>>> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks
>>>> down battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps
>>>> that have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode
>>>> reader). all of these devices are specially designed for that one task.
>>>> Its been my experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when
>>>> you want reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to
>>>> have the extra devices on hand.
>>>>
>>>> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one
>>>> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than
>>>> just a phone.
>>>>
>>>> Just something to keep in mind.
>>>>
>>>> -eric
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded
>>>>> from
>>>>> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app,
>>>>> and
>>>>> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine
>>>>> why
>>>>> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some
>>>>> may
>>>>> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be
>>>>> upgrading
>>>>> to the 64gb version of t

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Mike Arrigo
Yes. I have one of these, the mophie juice pack case is awesome, as far as I'm 
concerned it's the best iphone case you can get.
On Sep 13, 2013, at 6:53 PM, "Rick Alfaro"  wrote:

> Definitely, that would be my first accessory, a case with built-in battery.
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Rick Alfaro
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Joseph FreeTech
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 4:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
> 
> Unless one uses an extended battery and this issue of battery life is no
> longer an issue.
> 
> Joseph
> 
> - Original Message -----
> From: "eric oyen" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:57 PM
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
> 
> 
> there are advantages to using a separate device.
> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down 
> battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that 
> have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader). 
> all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my 
> experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want 
> reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra 
> devices on hand.
> 
> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one 
> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just a 
> phone.
> 
> Just something to keep in mind.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
> 
>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
>> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, and
>> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine 
>> why
>> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some may
>> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be 
>> upgrading
>> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Rick Alfaro
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Alan Paganelli
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>> 
>> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
>> listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
>> ---
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>> 
>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>> 
>> Please click on:
>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played 
>> on
>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on 
>> my
>> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Scott Rumery" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>> 
>> 
>>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I
>>> know that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very 
>>> log
>> 
>>> time for it.
>>> 
>>> Scott Rumery
>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
>>>> 
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Chuck Dean
I am wondering if the Bard app will use less battery then iBooks, Nook or the 
Kindle apps while reading them with voice over.

 Sometimes when I am listening to Pandora, I triple click the home button to 
turn voiceover off to save battery.

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Sep 13, 2013, at 7:59 PM, Roger Frischenmeyer  
wrote:

> On 9/13/2013 9:41 PM, Brent Harding wrote:
>> Yeah, I think I would listen to more books when the app comes out. I'd 
>> rather have one device to do everything than individual stuff to do one 
>> thing.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Ricardo Walker" 
>> To: "viphone" 
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 6:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I partly disagree here.  It depends on the media being played, and how the 
>> content is being delivered really.  for the sake of this topic will just 
>> keep it to audio.  I’ve listened to hours of audiobooks via the audible app 
>> and only lose a few percentage points on my battery life.  The same goes for 
>> listening to music stored on the device.  Of course, streaming audio causes 
>> the battery to drain faster.
>> 
>> I mean, I agree that listening to audio will drain your battery but, 
>> compared with all the other things we do with our phones, this doesn’t 
>> really impact battery life as much.
>> 
>> As the saying goes though, to each their own.  I much rather have 1 less 
>> device to carry although it means getting an hour a day less out of my phone 
>> before charging.
>> 
>> JMO.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 3:57 PM, eric oyen  wrote:
>> 
>>> there are advantages to using a separate device.
>>> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down 
>>> battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that 
>>> have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader). 
>>> all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my 
>>> experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want 
>>> reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra 
>>> devices on hand.
>>> 
>>> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one 
>>> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just a 
>>> phone.
>>> 
>>> Just something to keep in mind.
>>> 
>>> -eric
>>> 
>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
>>>> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, and
>>>> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine why
>>>> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some may
>>>> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be 
>>>> upgrading
>>>> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Rick Alfaro
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>>> Of Alan Paganelli
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>>> 
>>>> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
>>>> listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
>>>> ---
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Alan
>>>> 
>>>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>>>> 
>>>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now!
>>>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>>>> 
>>>> Please click on:
>>>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>>>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
>>>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
>>>> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for l

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Roger Frischenmeyer

On 9/13/2013 9:41 PM, Brent Harding wrote:
Yeah, I think I would listen to more books when the app comes out. I'd 
rather have one device to do everything than individual stuff to do 
one thing.


- Original Message - From: "Ricardo Walker" 


To: "viphone" 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


Hi,

I partly disagree here.  It depends on the media being played, and how 
the content is being delivered really.  for the sake of this topic 
will just keep it to audio.  I’ve listened to hours of audiobooks via 
the audible app and only lose a few percentage points on my battery 
life.  The same goes for listening to music stored on the device.  Of 
course, streaming audio causes the battery to drain faster.


I mean, I agree that listening to audio will drain your battery but, 
compared with all the other things we do with our phones, this doesn’t 
really impact battery life as much.


As the saying goes though, to each their own.  I much rather have 1 
less device to carry although it means getting an hour a day less out 
of my phone before charging.


JMO.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Sep 13, 2013, at 3:57 PM, eric oyen  wrote:


there are advantages to using a separate device.
Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks 
down battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other 
apps that have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and 
barcode reader). all of these devices are specially designed for that 
one task. Its been my experience that iPhone apps are fine in a 
pinch, but when you want reliability without sacrificing battery 
life, its better to have the extra devices on hand.


Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one 
device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than 
just a phone.


Just something to keep in mind.

-eric

On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:

Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded 
from
BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook 
app, and
Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to 
imagine why
one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure 
some may
still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be 
upgrading

to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.


Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let 
you

listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
---

Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances 
played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format 
formerly on my

website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message -
From: "Scott Rumery" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news 
because I
know that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a 
very log



time for it.

Scott Rumery
On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:


The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.

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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Brent Harding
Yeah, I think I would listen to more books when the app comes out. I'd 
rather have one device to do everything than individual stuff to do one 
thing.


- Original Message - 
From: "Ricardo Walker" 

To: "viphone" 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


Hi,

I partly disagree here.  It depends on the media being played, and how the 
content is being delivered really.  for the sake of this topic will just 
keep it to audio.  I’ve listened to hours of audiobooks via the audible app 
and only lose a few percentage points on my battery life.  The same goes for 
listening to music stored on the device.  Of course, streaming audio causes 
the battery to drain faster.


I mean, I agree that listening to audio will drain your battery but, 
compared with all the other things we do with our phones, this doesn’t 
really impact battery life as much.


As the saying goes though, to each their own.  I much rather have 1 less 
device to carry although it means getting an hour a day less out of my phone 
before charging.


JMO.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Sep 13, 2013, at 3:57 PM, eric oyen  wrote:


there are advantages to using a separate device.
Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down 
battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that 
have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader). 
all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my 
experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want 
reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra 
devices on hand.


Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one 
device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just 
a phone.


Just something to keep in mind.

-eric

On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:


Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, and
Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine 
why

one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some may
still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be 
upgrading

to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.


Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
---

Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played 
on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on 
my

website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message -
From: "Scott Rumery" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval



How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I
know that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very 
log



time for it.

Scott Rumery
On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:


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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
Yes I have drop box. I have also tried using Down Cast but couldn't
get it to read books or magazines.

On 9/13/13, eric oyen  wrote:
> I know they cost real money right now. THe one thing I see happening is that
> the apps will eventually force the hardware manufacturers to realize that
> they need to lower the price or go out of business.
>
> A case for this is the dedicated currency readers. Those used to cost more
> than $400 and now you can get one for less than $100 (the iBill). THis was a
> direct result of the look-tell money reader app. I have both and I use both,
> though the app is easier to use in a busy environment (such as shopping).
> The iBill does have one feature that I think they are still having a problem
> with on the look-tell app: it can easily tell the difference between
> counterfeit and real currency.
>
>
> oh yeah, I use my braille sense as a GPS navigation tool as the Sendaro
> software includes network updated maps. Its not just my note taker and
> braille reader. Now if I can just find some ham radio apps that would work
> in windows CE, then I would have a nice Ham radio shack and not have to use
> a desktop computer. :)
>
> -eric
>
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote:
>
>> Regarding limited incomes... Add up the amount of money spent on your
>> blindness related hardware and compare that to the cost of comparable IOS
>>
>> apps. I'm sure you will find that the hardware devices for the blind will
>>
>> costs hundreds if not thousands of dollars where the apps are a few
>> dollars
>> here and there.
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "eric oyen" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>
>>
>> yes, assuming one can afford such a device on a limited income. The other
>>
>> devices I have courtesy of the CCB (as a contract for the state of arizona
>>
>> vocational rehabilitation services).
>>
>> I happen to be an iPhone user/owner myself and like that it does have all
>>
>> these apps available. However, some of them just don't work as well as
>> discrete devices do. For instance, navigon has an interface that is more
>> complicated than it needs to be, and the look-tell money reader requires a
>>
>> background source of light to be useful. The color detector app also needs
>>
>> ambient light to function whereas the stand alone light detector device
>> uses
>> a low power laser. Each device and app have their pros and cons. Me,
>> personally, I would rather have the backup device in case the iPhone gets
>>
>> broken or stolen (which happens more than anyone realizes). Also, the
>> available bar code scanner app for the iPhone (red laser) isn't accessible
>>
>> (it requires someone to see the view finder display to make sure the
>> barcode
>> is centered). So, having the bar code reader (ID Mate) is far more
>> useful.
>>
>> -eric
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote:
>>
>>> Unless one uses an extended battery and this issue of battery life is no
>>> longer an issue.
>>>
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "eric oyen" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:57 PM
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>>
>>>
>>> there are advantages to using a separate device.
>>> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks
>>> down
>>> battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that
>>> have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode
>>> reader).
>>> all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been
>>> my
>>> experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want
>>> reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the
>>> extra
>>> devices on hand.
>>>
>>> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one
>>> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just
>>>
>>> a
>>> phone.
>>>
>>> Just something to keep in mind.
>>>
>>> -eric
>>>
>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded
>>>> from
>>>> BARD on our 

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Joseph FreeTech
Eventually? I think more like they have already done so. . That 
Freedom Scientific pac mate, it is 10 years out of date and hasn't been 
developed in years. In fact, judging from the huge 40% plus discounts, they 
can't get rid of it. I just read a blurb on a podcast website where the 
manufacturer of one of those blindness Note takers is touting their support 
for the RTF file format in their most current firmware. RTF?--What year is 
it again? On your point regarding counterfeit money, well, I've never had a 
problem with this, so I'm assuming that even though the chances exist, its 
not an issue I will have to tackle on a day to day basis, nor even rarely.

Joseph

- Original Message - 
From: "eric oyen" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


I know they cost real money right now. THe one thing I see happening is that 
the apps will eventually force the hardware manufacturers to realize that 
they need to lower the price or go out of business.

A case for this is the dedicated currency readers. Those used to cost more 
than $400 and now you can get one for less than $100 (the iBill). THis was a 
direct result of the look-tell money reader app. I have both and I use both, 
though the app is easier to use in a busy environment (such as shopping). 
The iBill does have one feature that I think they are still having a problem 
with on the look-tell app: it can easily tell the difference between 
counterfeit and real currency.


oh yeah, I use my braille sense as a GPS navigation tool as the Sendaro 
software includes network updated maps. Its not just my note taker and 
braille reader. Now if I can just find some ham radio apps that would work 
in windows CE, then I would have a nice Ham radio shack and not have to use 
a desktop computer. :)

-eric

On Sep 13, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote:

> Regarding limited incomes... Add up the amount of money spent on your
> blindness related hardware and compare that to the cost of comparable IOS
> apps. I'm sure you will find that the hardware devices for the blind will
> costs hundreds if not thousands of dollars where the apps are a few 
> dollars
> here and there.
>
> Joseph
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "eric oyen" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:40 PM
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>
>
> yes, assuming one can afford such a device on a limited income. The other
> devices I have courtesy of the CCB (as a contract for the state of arizona
> vocational rehabilitation services).
>
> I happen to be an iPhone user/owner myself and like that it does have all
> these apps available. However, some of them just don't work as well as
> discrete devices do. For instance, navigon has an interface that is more
> complicated than it needs to be, and the look-tell money reader requires a
> background source of light to be useful. The color detector app also needs
> ambient light to function whereas the stand alone light detector device 
> uses
> a low power laser. Each device and app have their pros and cons. Me,
> personally, I would rather have the backup device in case the iPhone gets
> broken or stolen (which happens more than anyone realizes). Also, the
> available bar code scanner app for the iPhone (red laser) isn't accessible
> (it requires someone to see the view finder display to make sure the 
> barcode
> is centered). So, having the bar code reader (ID Mate) is far more useful.
>
> -eric
>
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote:
>
>> Unless one uses an extended battery and this issue of battery life is no
>> longer an issue.
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "eric oyen" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>
>>
>> there are advantages to using a separate device.
>> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down
>> battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that
>> have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode 
>> reader).
>> all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been 
>> my
>> experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want
>> reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the 
>> extra
>> devices on hand.
>>
>> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one
>> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just
>> a
>> phone.
>>
>> Just something to keep in mind.
>>
>> -eric
&

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread eric oyen
I know they cost real money right now. THe one thing I see happening is that 
the apps will eventually force the hardware manufacturers to realize that they 
need to lower the price or go out of business. 

A case for this is the dedicated currency readers. Those used to cost more than 
$400 and now you can get one for less than $100 (the iBill). THis was a direct 
result of the look-tell money reader app. I have both and I use both, though 
the app is easier to use in a busy environment (such as shopping). The iBill 
does have one feature that I think they are still having a problem with on the 
look-tell app: it can easily tell the difference between counterfeit and real 
currency.


oh yeah, I use my braille sense as a GPS navigation tool as the Sendaro 
software includes network updated maps. Its not just my note taker and braille 
reader. Now if I can just find some ham radio apps that would work in windows 
CE, then I would have a nice Ham radio shack and not have to use a desktop 
computer. :)

-eric

On Sep 13, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote:

> Regarding limited incomes... Add up the amount of money spent on your 
> blindness related hardware and compare that to the cost of comparable IOS 
> apps. I'm sure you will find that the hardware devices for the blind will 
> costs hundreds if not thousands of dollars where the apps are a few dollars 
> here and there.
> 
> Joseph
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "eric oyen" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:40 PM
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
> 
> 
> yes, assuming one can afford such a device on a limited income. The other 
> devices I have courtesy of the CCB (as a contract for the state of arizona 
> vocational rehabilitation services).
> 
> I happen to be an iPhone user/owner myself and like that it does have all 
> these apps available. However, some of them just don't work as well as 
> discrete devices do. For instance, navigon has an interface that is more 
> complicated than it needs to be, and the look-tell money reader requires a 
> background source of light to be useful. The color detector app also needs 
> ambient light to function whereas the stand alone light detector device uses 
> a low power laser. Each device and app have their pros and cons. Me, 
> personally, I would rather have the backup device in case the iPhone gets 
> broken or stolen (which happens more than anyone realizes). Also, the 
> available bar code scanner app for the iPhone (red laser) isn't accessible 
> (it requires someone to see the view finder display to make sure the barcode 
> is centered). So, having the bar code reader (ID Mate) is far more useful.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote:
> 
>> Unless one uses an extended battery and this issue of battery life is no
>> longer an issue.
>> 
>> Joseph
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "eric oyen" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>> 
>> 
>> there are advantages to using a separate device.
>> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down
>> battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that
>> have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader).
>> all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my
>> experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want
>> reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra
>> devices on hand.
>> 
>> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one
>> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just 
>> a
>> phone.
>> 
>> Just something to keep in mind.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
>>> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, and
>>> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine
>>> why
>>> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some may
>>> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be
>>> upgrading
>>> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Rick Alfaro
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] O

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Richard Ring
Having used an Android tablet and several i devices, I would have to say that 
Android accessibility is almost as good as it was in the iPhone 3GS. Still a 
ways to go in my opinion.


You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
 Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
richr...@gmail.com

On Sep 13, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

> This may still be the case, not sure, but the number of blind android users 
> is growing fast, and that's a very good thing. The level of accessibility 
> that is provided is now on the same level, another good thing.
> Original message:
>> One thing that may have enfluenced the NLS is, there are probably more blind 
>> iOS users than android users.
> 
>> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
>> Sent from my Mac Book Pro
>> richr...@gmail.com <mailto:richr...@gmail.com>
> 
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Mike Arrigo > <mailto:n0...@charter.net>> wrote:
> 
> 
>> Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish they 
>> would have released them both at the same time.
>> Original message:
> 
> 
>> I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
>> is over and the app has been submitted.
> 
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <http://googlegroups.com>] On Behalf
>> Of Scott Rumery
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:40 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
> 
> 
> 
>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I know
>> that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
>> for it.
> 
> 
> 
>> Scott Rumery
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton > <mailto:bill32...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
> 
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Joseph FreeTech
That is my exact point.

Joseph

- Original Message - 
From: "Wayne gmail " 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 5:43 PM
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


When I'm sleepy I don't care about efficiency.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joseph FreeTech
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

You can always convert those brf files to text and read them on your IOS
device. Depending on what you are reading, if you are sleepy, you're not
going to recall what you just read, so whether having to press a physical
button or tap/swipe, you are not using time and your cognitive attention
efficiently.

Joseph

- Original Message -
From: "Arianna" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


Not to mention that, as far as I know, no app on the iPhone can make any
sense of brf files. I have a lot of those in my collection, and the
BookSense is the only thing that I know can play them. Well, the only thing
that I have, at any rate. Plus, having physical buttons is rather nice. When

I want to go back five seconds in a book, and I'm kind of sleepy, the last
thing I want to do is fiddle around with a touchscreen. That being said, I
will still get the app; but I'll keep my BookSense around, too.


Thanks,
Ari

On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
wrote:

> I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like having
> a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about the battery
> consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my Booksense, and by
> pressing just one button, start reading a book right where I left off. No
> need to unlock the device, jump to the app switcher and bring up my BARD
> Mobile app to start reading again. The fact that it's a physical button,
> and I can just pause/play my reading by hitting a physical button while
> the Booksense is in my pocket, is also a plus. I know it's not that hard
> to get the BARD Mobile app to start reading again, but it is convenient to

> have a device dedicated to my book reading and being only one button away
> from reading.
>
> I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around. I
> can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a lanyard,
> so I can just hang it from my neck.
>
> Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the BARD

> Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both my iPhone
> and my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on the BARD Mobile

> app.
>
> On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:
>> there are advantages to using a separate device.
>> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down

>> battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that
>> have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode
>> reader). all of these devices are specially designed for that one task.
>> Its been my experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you

>> want reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the

>> extra devices on hand.
>>
>> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one
>> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just

>> a phone.
>>
>> Just something to keep in mind.
>>
>> -eric
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
>>> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app,
>>> and
>>> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine
>>> why
>>> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some
>>> may
>>> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be
>>> upgrading
>>> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Rick Alfaro
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Alan Paganelli
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>>
>>> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
>>> listen 

RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Wayne gmail
When I'm sleepy I don't care about efficiency.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joseph FreeTech
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

You can always convert those brf files to text and read them on your IOS
device. Depending on what you are reading, if you are sleepy, you're not
going to recall what you just read, so whether having to press a physical
button or tap/swipe, you are not using time and your cognitive attention
efficiently.

Joseph

- Original Message -
From: "Arianna" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


Not to mention that, as far as I know, no app on the iPhone can make any 
sense of brf files. I have a lot of those in my collection, and the 
BookSense is the only thing that I know can play them. Well, the only thing 
that I have, at any rate. Plus, having physical buttons is rather nice. When

I want to go back five seconds in a book, and I'm kind of sleepy, the last 
thing I want to do is fiddle around with a touchscreen. That being said, I 
will still get the app; but I'll keep my BookSense around, too.


Thanks,
Ari

On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
wrote:

> I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like having 
> a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about the battery 
> consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my Booksense, and by 
> pressing just one button, start reading a book right where I left off. No 
> need to unlock the device, jump to the app switcher and bring up my BARD 
> Mobile app to start reading again. The fact that it's a physical button, 
> and I can just pause/play my reading by hitting a physical button while 
> the Booksense is in my pocket, is also a plus. I know it's not that hard 
> to get the BARD Mobile app to start reading again, but it is convenient to

> have a device dedicated to my book reading and being only one button away 
> from reading.
>
> I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around. I 
> can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a lanyard, 
> so I can just hang it from my neck.
>
> Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the BARD

> Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both my iPhone 
> and my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on the BARD Mobile

> app.
>
> On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:
>> there are advantages to using a separate device.
>> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down

>> battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that 
>> have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode 
>> reader). all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. 
>> Its been my experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you

>> want reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the

>> extra devices on hand.
>>
>> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one 
>> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just

>> a phone.
>>
>> Just something to keep in mind.
>>
>> -eric
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
>>> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, 
>>> and
>>> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine 
>>> why
>>> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some 
>>> may
>>> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be 
>>> upgrading
>>> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Rick Alfaro
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Alan Paganelli
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>>
>>> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
>>> listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> Go Chica

RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Wayne gmail
My wife and I used to joke that all it took to be a properly equipped blind
person was about $50,000.  Over the years that joke became less funny.  I'm
really glad that apps are acting as a force to reign in the cost a bit.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joseph FreeTech
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

Regarding limited incomes... Add up the amount of money spent on your
blindness related hardware and compare that to the cost of comparable IOS
apps. I'm sure you will find that the hardware devices for the blind will
costs hundreds if not thousands of dollars where the apps are a few dollars
here and there.

Joseph

- Original Message -
From: "eric oyen" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


yes, assuming one can afford such a device on a limited income. The other 
devices I have courtesy of the CCB (as a contract for the state of arizona 
vocational rehabilitation services).

I happen to be an iPhone user/owner myself and like that it does have all 
these apps available. However, some of them just don't work as well as 
discrete devices do. For instance, navigon has an interface that is more 
complicated than it needs to be, and the look-tell money reader requires a 
background source of light to be useful. The color detector app also needs 
ambient light to function whereas the stand alone light detector device uses

a low power laser. Each device and app have their pros and cons. Me, 
personally, I would rather have the backup device in case the iPhone gets 
broken or stolen (which happens more than anyone realizes). Also, the 
available bar code scanner app for the iPhone (red laser) isn't accessible 
(it requires someone to see the view finder display to make sure the barcode

is centered). So, having the bar code reader (ID Mate) is far more useful.

-eric

On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote:

> Unless one uses an extended battery and this issue of battery life is no
> longer an issue.
>
> Joseph
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "eric oyen" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:57 PM
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>
>
> there are advantages to using a separate device.
> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down
> battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that
> have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader).
> all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my
> experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want
> reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra
> devices on hand.
>
> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one
> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just 
> a
> phone.
>
> Just something to keep in mind.
>
> -eric
>
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
>
>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
>> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, and
>> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine
>> why
>> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some may
>> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be
>> upgrading
>> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Rick Alfaro
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Alan Paganelli
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>
>> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
>> listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
>> ---
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>>
>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>>
>> Please click on:
>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played
>> on
>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on
>> my
>> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
&

RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Wayne gmail
And the audio drain is even less if you use wired earphones instead of
Bluetooth.  I'm inclined to use IPhone audio books when out and waiting
because it means carrying fewer devices.  Around the house though the Stream
is better and cheaper to replace if there is a major mishap.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 6:01 PM
To: viphone
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

Hi,

I partly disagree here.  It depends on the media being played, and how the
content is being delivered really.  for the sake of this topic will just
keep it to audio.  I've listened to hours of audiobooks via the audible app
and only lose a few percentage points on my battery life.  The same goes for
listening to music stored on the device.  Of course, streaming audio causes
the battery to drain faster.

I mean, I agree that listening to audio will drain your battery but,
compared with all the other things we do with our phones, this doesn't
really impact battery life as much.

As the saying goes though, to each their own.  I much rather have 1 less
device to carry although it means getting an hour a day less out of my phone
before charging.

JMO.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Sep 13, 2013, at 3:57 PM, eric oyen  wrote:

> there are advantages to using a separate device.
> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down
battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that
have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader).
all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my
experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want
reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra
devices on hand.
> 
> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one
device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just a
phone.
> 
> Just something to keep in mind.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
> 
>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded 
>> from BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook 
>> app, and Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard 
>> to imagine why one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense 
>> but I'm sure some may still prefer using a separate device. This is 
>> my plan so I will be upgrading to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no
issues with space.
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Rick Alfaro
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Alan Paganelli
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>> 
>> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let 
>> you listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
>> ---
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>> 
>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>> 
>> Please click on:
>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances 
>> played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  
>> format formerly on my website are still available upon request.  Thanks
for listening!
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Scott Rumery" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>> 
>> 
>>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news 
>>> because I know that there are a lot of blind people who have been 
>>> waiting a very log
>> 
>>> time for it.
>>> 
>>> Scott Rumery
>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
>>>> 
>>>> --
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>>>> Google Group.
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RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Wayne gmail
I wouldn't say no longer an issue.  In addition to my extended battery case,
I've got an ext4ernal battery.  If I use something like Navigon in my
travels and maybe Blind Square and Downcast, even an extended battery could
be drained in pretty short order.  Definitely a lot less of an issue though.
I'll keep my Stream and back up Stream too.  Hmmm, suppose I might have
insecurity issues?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rick Alfaro
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 6:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

Definitely, that would be my first accessory, a case with built-in battery.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joseph FreeTech
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 4:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

Unless one uses an extended battery and this issue of battery life is no
longer an issue.

Joseph

- Original Message -
From: "eric oyen" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


there are advantages to using a separate device.
Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down
battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that
have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader). 
all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my
experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want
reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra
devices on hand.

Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one
device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just a
phone.

Just something to keep in mind.

-eric

On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:

> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded 
> from BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook 
> app, and Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard 
> to imagine why one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but 
> I'm sure some may still prefer using a separate device. This is my 
> plan so I will be upgrading to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no 
> issues with space.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rick Alfaro
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Alan Paganelli
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>
> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let 
> you listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
> ---
>
> Regards,
>
> Alan
>
> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>
> Please click on:
> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances 
> played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format 
> formerly on my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for 
> listening!
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scott Rumery" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>
>
>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because 
>> I know that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a 
>> very log
>
>> time for it.
>>
>> Scott Rumery
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
>>
>>> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
>>>
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Joseph FreeTech
Regarding limited incomes... Add up the amount of money spent on your 
blindness related hardware and compare that to the cost of comparable IOS 
apps. I'm sure you will find that the hardware devices for the blind will 
costs hundreds if not thousands of dollars where the apps are a few dollars 
here and there.

Joseph

- Original Message - 
From: "eric oyen" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


yes, assuming one can afford such a device on a limited income. The other 
devices I have courtesy of the CCB (as a contract for the state of arizona 
vocational rehabilitation services).

I happen to be an iPhone user/owner myself and like that it does have all 
these apps available. However, some of them just don't work as well as 
discrete devices do. For instance, navigon has an interface that is more 
complicated than it needs to be, and the look-tell money reader requires a 
background source of light to be useful. The color detector app also needs 
ambient light to function whereas the stand alone light detector device uses 
a low power laser. Each device and app have their pros and cons. Me, 
personally, I would rather have the backup device in case the iPhone gets 
broken or stolen (which happens more than anyone realizes). Also, the 
available bar code scanner app for the iPhone (red laser) isn't accessible 
(it requires someone to see the view finder display to make sure the barcode 
is centered). So, having the bar code reader (ID Mate) is far more useful.

-eric

On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote:

> Unless one uses an extended battery and this issue of battery life is no
> longer an issue.
>
> Joseph
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "eric oyen" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:57 PM
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>
>
> there are advantages to using a separate device.
> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down
> battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that
> have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader).
> all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my
> experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want
> reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra
> devices on hand.
>
> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one
> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just 
> a
> phone.
>
> Just something to keep in mind.
>
> -eric
>
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
>
>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
>> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, and
>> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine
>> why
>> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some may
>> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be
>> upgrading
>> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Rick Alfaro
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Alan Paganelli
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>
>> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
>> listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
>> ---
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>>
>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>>
>> Please click on:
>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played
>> on
>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on
>> my
>> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Scott Rumery" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>
>>
>>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I
>>> know that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very
>>> log
>>
>>> time for it.
>>

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Joseph FreeTech
You can always convert those brf files to text and read them on your IOS 
device. Depending on what you are reading, if you are sleepy, you're not 
going to recall what you just read, so whether having to press a physical 
button or tap/swipe, you are not using time and your cognitive attention 
efficiently.

Joseph

- Original Message - 
From: "Arianna" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


Not to mention that, as far as I know, no app on the iPhone can make any 
sense of brf files. I have a lot of those in my collection, and the 
BookSense is the only thing that I know can play them. Well, the only thing 
that I have, at any rate. Plus, having physical buttons is rather nice. When 
I want to go back five seconds in a book, and I'm kind of sleepy, the last 
thing I want to do is fiddle around with a touchscreen. That being said, I 
will still get the app; but I'll keep my BookSense around, too.


Thanks,
Ari

On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
wrote:

> I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like having 
> a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about the battery 
> consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my Booksense, and by 
> pressing just one button, start reading a book right where I left off. No 
> need to unlock the device, jump to the app switcher and bring up my BARD 
> Mobile app to start reading again. The fact that it's a physical button, 
> and I can just pause/play my reading by hitting a physical button while 
> the Booksense is in my pocket, is also a plus. I know it's not that hard 
> to get the BARD Mobile app to start reading again, but it is convenient to 
> have a device dedicated to my book reading and being only one button away 
> from reading.
>
> I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around. I 
> can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a lanyard, 
> so I can just hang it from my neck.
>
> Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the BARD 
> Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both my iPhone 
> and my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on the BARD Mobile 
> app.
>
> On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:
>> there are advantages to using a separate device.
>> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down 
>> battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that 
>> have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode 
>> reader). all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. 
>> Its been my experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you 
>> want reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the 
>> extra devices on hand.
>>
>> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one 
>> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just 
>> a phone.
>>
>> Just something to keep in mind.
>>
>> -eric
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
>>> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, 
>>> and
>>> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine 
>>> why
>>> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some 
>>> may
>>> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be 
>>> upgrading
>>> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Rick Alfaro
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Alan Paganelli
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>>
>>> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
>>> listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>>>
>>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
>>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>>>
>>> Please click on:
>>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~a

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Joseph FreeTech
I have some of these discrete items you mentioned, and they are gathering 
dust somewhere in my room and office. My color identifier is not as accurate 
as I would like even though it has its own light source. My money counter 
also has a light source of its own, and I find it a chore to have to dig out 
and slide my money in to read. In short, though I have these items, my 
iPod's comparable apps are always my go to resource as they are faster and 
easier to use (with exception of color identifier as itthey all seem to be 
very inaccurate unless you can see). As is, I really dislike taking my cell 
and iPod wherever I go, but because I don't want another contract, I have to 
stick with what I've got until my new contract comes along, but my point is 
"why carry more than you need." With keys, wallet, phone, coins, etc, I 
don't need anymore items in my pockets, which is why my VRS now stays home.

Joseph

- Original Message - 
From: "John Diakogeorgiou" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


I still haven't found an easy way to put audio books on the IPhone
which are not Audible books. So without this, I still need my
BookSense.

On 9/13/13, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like
> having a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about the
> battery consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my
> Booksense, and by pressing just one button, start reading a book right
> where I left off. No need to unlock the device, jump to the app switcher
> and bring up my BARD Mobile app to start reading again. The fact that
> it's a physical button, and I can just pause/play my reading by hitting
> a physical button while the Booksense is in my pocket, is also a plus. I
> know it's not that hard to get the BARD Mobile app to start reading
> again, but it is convenient to have a device dedicated to my book
> reading and being only one button away from reading.
>
> I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around.
> I can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a
> lanyard, so I can just hang it from my neck.
>
> Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the
> BARD Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both my
> iPhone and my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on the
> BARD Mobile app.
>
> On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:
>> there are advantages to using a separate device.
>> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down
>> battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that
>> have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode 
>> reader).
>> all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been 
>> my
>> experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want
>> reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the 
>> extra
>> devices on hand.
>>
>> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one
>> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just
>> a phone.
>>
>> Just something to keep in mind.
>>
>> -eric
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
>>> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app,
>>> and
>>> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine
>>> why
>>> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some
>>> may
>>> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be
>>> upgrading
>>> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Rick Alfaro
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Alan Paganelli
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>>
>>> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
>>> listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>>>
>>> Teenagers; Tired of being har

RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Rick Alfaro
That's a very good point. One can do it but but not as easy and as straight
forward as it should be.

I'm thinking about the possibility of using DownCast for mp3 audio books but
haven't tried it yet.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 4:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I still haven't found an easy way to put audio books on the IPhone which are
not Audible books. So without this, I still need my BookSense.

On 9/13/13, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like 
> having a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about 
> the battery consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my 
> Booksense, and by pressing just one button, start reading a book right 
> where I left off. No need to unlock the device, jump to the app 
> switcher and bring up my BARD Mobile app to start reading again. The 
> fact that it's a physical button, and I can just pause/play my reading 
> by hitting a physical button while the Booksense is in my pocket, is 
> also a plus. I know it's not that hard to get the BARD Mobile app to 
> start reading again, but it is convenient to have a device dedicated 
> to my book reading and being only one button away from reading.
>
> I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around.
> I can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a 
> lanyard, so I can just hang it from my neck.
>
> Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the 
> BARD Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both 
> my iPhone and my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on 
> the BARD Mobile app.
>
> On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:
>> there are advantages to using a separate device.
>> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks 
>> down battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other 
>> apps that have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and
barcode reader).
>> all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its 
>> been my experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you 
>> want reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have 
>> the extra devices on hand.
>>
>> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one 
>> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than 
>> just a phone.
>>
>> Just something to keep in mind.
>>
>> -eric
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded 
>>> from BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the 
>>> Nook app, and Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, 
>>> it's hard to imagine why one would need devices like the Stream or 
>>> BookSense but I'm sure some may still prefer using a separate 
>>> device. This is my plan so I will be upgrading to the 64gb version 
>>> of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Rick Alfaro
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Alan Paganelli
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>>
>>> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let 
>>> you listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>>>
>>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!!!!!
>>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>>>
>>> Please click on:
>>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances 
>>> played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  
>>> format formerly on my website are still available upon request.  
>>> Thanks for listening!
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Scott Rumery" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39

RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Rick Alfaro
Definitely, that would be my first accessory, a case with built-in battery.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joseph FreeTech
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 4:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

Unless one uses an extended battery and this issue of battery life is no
longer an issue.

Joseph

- Original Message -
From: "eric oyen" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


there are advantages to using a separate device.
Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down 
battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that 
have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader). 
all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my 
experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want 
reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra 
devices on hand.

Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one 
device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just a 
phone.

Just something to keep in mind.

-eric

On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:

> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, and
> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine 
> why
> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some may
> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be 
> upgrading
> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rick Alfaro
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Alan Paganelli
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>
> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
> listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
> ---
>
> Regards,
>
> Alan
>
> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>
> Please click on:
> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played 
> on
> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on 
> my
> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scott Rumery" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>
>
>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I
>> know that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very 
>> log
>
>> time for it.
>>
>> Scott Rumery
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
>>
>>> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
>>>
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RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Joe
Nah, Android same access as iOS? I've got a Nexus 7, and while tons better
than what things used to be, I'd not call it equal. Getting there for sure,
but not a done deal today.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 3:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

This may still be the case, not sure, but the number of blind android users
is growing fast, and that's a very good thing. The level of accessibility
that is provided is now on the same level, another good thing.
Original message:
> One thing that may have enfluenced the NLS is, there are probably more 
> blind iOS users than android users.

> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of 
> Fielding Sent from my Mac Book Pro richr...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:richr...@gmail.com>

> On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Mike Arrigo  <mailto:n0...@charter.net>> wrote:


> Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish 
> they would have released them both at the same time.
> Original message:


> I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the 
> beta is over and the app has been submitted.



> -Original Message-
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> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because 
> I know that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a 
> very log time for it.



> Scott Rumery
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  <mailto:bill32...@gmail.com>> wrote:



> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.



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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

I partly disagree here.  It depends on the media being played, and how the 
content is being delivered really.  for the sake of this topic will just keep 
it to audio.  I’ve listened to hours of audiobooks via the audible app and only 
lose a few percentage points on my battery life.  The same goes for listening 
to music stored on the device.  Of course, streaming audio causes the battery 
to drain faster.

I mean, I agree that listening to audio will drain your battery but, compared 
with all the other things we do with our phones, this doesn’t really impact 
battery life as much.

As the saying goes though, to each their own.  I much rather have 1 less device 
to carry although it means getting an hour a day less out of my phone before 
charging.

JMO.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Sep 13, 2013, at 3:57 PM, eric oyen  wrote:

> there are advantages to using a separate device.
> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down 
> battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that have 
> discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader). all of 
> these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my 
> experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want 
> reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra 
> devices on hand.
> 
> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one device, 
> but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just a phone.
> 
> Just something to keep in mind.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
> 
>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
>> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, and
>> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine why
>> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some may
>> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be upgrading
>> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Rick Alfaro
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Alan Paganelli
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>> 
>> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
>> listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
>> ---
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>> 
>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>> 
>> Please click on:
>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
>> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Scott Rumery" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>> 
>> 
>>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I 
>>> know that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log
>> 
>>> time for it.
>>> 
>>> Scott Rumery
>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
>>>> 
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Alan Paganelli
I suspect I'll do the same thing.  I have a Victor reader Stream 1 and when 
it dies I'll see what's available.  I do keep a GPS app on my iPhone even 
though I own 3 GPS systems for the blind.  On the other hand, my iPhone is 
always in my pocket and should I need to find my way back home again at 
least I'm covered and that's a comforting thought for anybody.

---

Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.


Please click on:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - 
From: "Arianna" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


Not to mention that, as far as I know, no app on the iPhone can make any 
sense of brf files. I have a lot of those in my collection, and the 
BookSense is the only thing that I know can play them. Well, the only thing 
that I have, at any rate. Plus, having physical buttons is rather nice. When 
I want to go back five seconds in a book, and I'm kind of sleepy, the last 
thing I want to do is fiddle around with a touchscreen. That being said, I 
will still get the app; but I'll keep my BookSense around, too.



Thanks,
Ari

On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
wrote:


I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like having 
a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about the battery 
consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my Booksense, and by 
pressing just one button, start reading a book right where I left off. No 
need to unlock the device, jump to the app switcher and bring up my BARD 
Mobile app to start reading again. The fact that it's a physical button, 
and I can just pause/play my reading by hitting a physical button while 
the Booksense is in my pocket, is also a plus. I know it's not that hard 
to get the BARD Mobile app to start reading again, but it is convenient to 
have a device dedicated to my book reading and being only one button away 
from reading.


I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around. I 
can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a lanyard, 
so I can just hang it from my neck.


Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the BARD 
Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both my iPhone 
and my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on the BARD Mobile 
app.


On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:

there are advantages to using a separate device.
Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down 
battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that 
have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode 
reader). all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. 
Its been my experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you 
want reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the 
extra devices on hand.


Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one 
device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just 
a phone.


Just something to keep in mind.

-eric

On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:


Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, 
and
Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine 
why
one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some 
may
still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be 
upgrading

to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.


Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
---

Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played 
on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on 
my

website are still available upon request.  Thanks fo

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Arianna
Not to mention that, as far as I know, no app on the iPhone can make any sense 
of brf files. I have a lot of those in my collection, and the BookSense is the 
only thing that I know can play them. Well, the only thing that I have, at any 
rate. Plus, having physical buttons is rather nice. When I want to go back five 
seconds in a book, and I'm kind of sleepy, the last thing I want to do is 
fiddle around with a touchscreen. That being said, I will still get the app; 
but I'll keep my BookSense around, too.


Thanks,
Ari

On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

> I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like having a 
> separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about the battery 
> consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my Booksense, and by 
> pressing just one button, start reading a book right where I left off. No 
> need to unlock the device, jump to the app switcher and bring up my BARD 
> Mobile app to start reading again. The fact that it's a physical button, and 
> I can just pause/play my reading by hitting a physical button while the 
> Booksense is in my pocket, is also a plus. I know it's not that hard to get 
> the BARD Mobile app to start reading again, but it is convenient to have a 
> device dedicated to my book reading and being only one button away from 
> reading.
> 
> I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around. I can 
> operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a lanyard, so I can 
> just hang it from my neck.
> 
> Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the BARD 
> Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both my iPhone and 
> my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on the BARD Mobile app.
> 
> On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:
>> there are advantages to using a separate device.
>> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down 
>> battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that 
>> have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader). 
>> all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my 
>> experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want 
>> reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra 
>> devices on hand.
>> 
>> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one 
>> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just a 
>> phone.
>> 
>> Just something to keep in mind.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
>>> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, and
>>> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine why
>>> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some may
>>> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be upgrading
>>> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Rick Alfaro
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Alan Paganelli
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>> 
>>> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
>>> listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
>>> ---
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Alan
>>> 
>>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>>> 
>>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
>>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>>> 
>>> Please click on:
>>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
>>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
>>> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Scott Rumery" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>> 
>>> 
>>

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread eric oyen
yes, assuming one can afford such a device on a limited income. The other 
devices I have courtesy of the CCB (as a contract for the state of arizona 
vocational rehabilitation services).

I happen to be an iPhone user/owner myself and like that it does have all these 
apps available. However, some of them just don't work as well as discrete 
devices do. For instance, navigon has an interface that is more complicated 
than it needs to be, and the look-tell money reader requires a background 
source of light to be useful. The color detector app also needs ambient light 
to function whereas the stand alone light detector device uses a low power 
laser. Each device and app have their pros and cons. Me, personally, I would 
rather have the backup device in case the iPhone gets broken or stolen (which 
happens more than anyone realizes). Also, the available bar code scanner app 
for the iPhone (red laser) isn't accessible (it requires someone to see the 
view finder display to make sure the barcode is centered). So, having the bar 
code reader (ID Mate) is far more useful.

-eric

On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote:

> Unless one uses an extended battery and this issue of battery life is no 
> longer an issue.
> 
> Joseph
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "eric oyen" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:57 PM
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
> 
> 
> there are advantages to using a separate device.
> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down 
> battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that 
> have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader). 
> all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my 
> experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want 
> reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra 
> devices on hand.
> 
> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one 
> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just a 
> phone.
> 
> Just something to keep in mind.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
> 
>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
>> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, and
>> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine 
>> why
>> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some may
>> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be 
>> upgrading
>> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Rick Alfaro
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Alan Paganelli
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>> 
>> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
>> listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
>> ---
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>> 
>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>> 
>> Please click on:
>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played 
>> on
>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on 
>> my
>> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Scott Rumery" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>> 
>> 
>>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I
>>> know that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very 
>>> log
>> 
>>> time for it.
>>> 
>>> Scott Rumery
>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Joseph FreeTech
Unless one uses an extended battery and this issue of battery life is no 
longer an issue.

Joseph

- Original Message - 
From: "eric oyen" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


there are advantages to using a separate device.
Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down 
battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that 
have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader). 
all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my 
experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want 
reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra 
devices on hand.

Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one 
device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just a 
phone.

Just something to keep in mind.

-eric

On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:

> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, and
> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine 
> why
> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some may
> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be 
> upgrading
> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rick Alfaro
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Alan Paganelli
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>
> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
> listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
> ---
>
> Regards,
>
> Alan
>
> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>
> Please click on:
> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played 
> on
> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on 
> my
> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scott Rumery" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>
>
>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I
>> know that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very 
>> log
>
>> time for it.
>>
>> Scott Rumery
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
>>
>>> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
>>>
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Chuck Dean
I had not used the MLS books in quite a while, but when I heard that the Bard 
app was going to be released I ordered up a machine to familiarize myself with 
the system. I was amazed at how nice the machine felt. Very solid big buttons 
etc. etc., it was kind of comforting to have a  talking book machine in my hand 
again.

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

> I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like having a 
> separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about the battery 
> consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my Booksense, and by 
> pressing just one button, start reading a book right where I left off. No 
> need to unlock the device, jump to the app switcher and bring up my BARD 
> Mobile app to start reading again. The fact that it's a physical button, and 
> I can just pause/play my reading by hitting a physical button while the 
> Booksense is in my pocket, is also a plus. I know it's not that hard to get 
> the BARD Mobile app to start reading again, but it is convenient to have a 
> device dedicated to my book reading and being only one button away from 
> reading.
> 
> I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around. I can 
> operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a lanyard, so I can 
> just hang it from my neck.
> 
> Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the BARD 
> Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both my iPhone and 
> my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on the BARD Mobile app.
> 
> On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:
>> there are advantages to using a separate device.
>> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down 
>> battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that 
>> have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader). 
>> all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my 
>> experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want 
>> reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra 
>> devices on hand.
>> 
>> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one 
>> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just a 
>> phone.
>> 
>> Just something to keep in mind.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
>>> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, and
>>> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine why
>>> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some may
>>> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be upgrading
>>> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Rick Alfaro
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Alan Paganelli
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>> 
>>> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
>>> listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
>>> ---
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Alan
>>> 
>>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>>> 
>>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
>>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>>> 
>>> Please click on:
>>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
>>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
>>> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Scott Rumery" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I
>>>> know that there are a lot of blind people who 

RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Bill Holton
Do you have Dropbox?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 4:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I still haven't found an easy way to put audio books on the IPhone
which are not Audible books. So without this, I still need my
BookSense.

On 9/13/13, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like
> having a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about the
> battery consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my
> Booksense, and by pressing just one button, start reading a book right
> where I left off. No need to unlock the device, jump to the app switcher
> and bring up my BARD Mobile app to start reading again. The fact that
> it's a physical button, and I can just pause/play my reading by hitting
> a physical button while the Booksense is in my pocket, is also a plus. I
> know it's not that hard to get the BARD Mobile app to start reading
> again, but it is convenient to have a device dedicated to my book
> reading and being only one button away from reading.
>
> I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around.
> I can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a
> lanyard, so I can just hang it from my neck.
>
> Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the
> BARD Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both my
> iPhone and my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on the
> BARD Mobile app.
>
> On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:
>> there are advantages to using a separate device.
>> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down
>> battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that
>> have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode
reader).
>> all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been
my
>> experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want
>> reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the
extra
>> devices on hand.
>>
>> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one
>> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just
>> a phone.
>>
>> Just something to keep in mind.
>>
>> -eric
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
>>> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app,
>>> and
>>> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine
>>> why
>>> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some
>>> may
>>> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be
>>> upgrading
>>> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Rick Alfaro
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Alan Paganelli
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>>
>>> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
>>> listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>>>
>>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!!!!!
>>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>>>
>>> Please click on:
>>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played
>>> on
>>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on
>>> my
>>> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Scott Rumery" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>>
>>>
>>>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because 

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
I still haven't found an easy way to put audio books on the IPhone
which are not Audible books. So without this, I still need my
BookSense.

On 9/13/13, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like
> having a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about the
> battery consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my
> Booksense, and by pressing just one button, start reading a book right
> where I left off. No need to unlock the device, jump to the app switcher
> and bring up my BARD Mobile app to start reading again. The fact that
> it's a physical button, and I can just pause/play my reading by hitting
> a physical button while the Booksense is in my pocket, is also a plus. I
> know it's not that hard to get the BARD Mobile app to start reading
> again, but it is convenient to have a device dedicated to my book
> reading and being only one button away from reading.
>
> I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around.
> I can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a
> lanyard, so I can just hang it from my neck.
>
> Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the
> BARD Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both my
> iPhone and my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on the
> BARD Mobile app.
>
> On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:
>> there are advantages to using a separate device.
>> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down
>> battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that
>> have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader).
>> all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my
>> experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want
>> reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra
>> devices on hand.
>>
>> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one
>> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just
>> a phone.
>>
>> Just something to keep in mind.
>>
>> -eric
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
>>> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app,
>>> and
>>> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine
>>> why
>>> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some
>>> may
>>> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be
>>> upgrading
>>> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Rick Alfaro
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Alan Paganelli
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>>
>>> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
>>> listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>>>
>>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!!!!!
>>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>>>
>>> Please click on:
>>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played
>>> on
>>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on
>>> my
>>> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Scott Rumery" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>>
>>>
>>>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I
>>>> know that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very
>>>> log
>>>
>>>> time for it.
>>>>
>>>> Scott Rumery
>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
>>>&

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Christopher Chaltain
I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like 
having a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about the 
battery consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my 
Booksense, and by pressing just one button, start reading a book right 
where I left off. No need to unlock the device, jump to the app switcher 
and bring up my BARD Mobile app to start reading again. The fact that 
it's a physical button, and I can just pause/play my reading by hitting 
a physical button while the Booksense is in my pocket, is also a plus. I 
know it's not that hard to get the BARD Mobile app to start reading 
again, but it is convenient to have a device dedicated to my book 
reading and being only one button away from reading.


I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around. 
I can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a 
lanyard, so I can just hang it from my neck.


Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the 
BARD Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both my 
iPhone and my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on the 
BARD Mobile app.


On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:

there are advantages to using a separate device.
Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down 
battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that have 
discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader). all of 
these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my experience 
that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want reliability without 
sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra devices on hand.

Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one device, 
but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just a phone.

Just something to keep in mind.

-eric

On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:


Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, and
Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine why
one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some may
still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be upgrading
to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.


Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
---

Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message -
From: "Scott Rumery" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval



How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I
know that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log



time for it.

Scott Rumery
On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:


The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.

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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Christopher Chaltain

According to an answer on the list already, it's called BARD Mobile.

On 09/13/2013 02:12 PM, Alan Paganelli wrote:

Does anybody know what the name of this app will be?
---

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Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on
my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - From: "Russ Kiehne" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval



Wow, that is great news.  I'm really looking forward to this app!

-Original Message- From: Bill Holton
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the
beta
is over and the app has been submitted.


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Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because
I know
that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log
time
for it.

Scott Rumery
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The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.

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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread eric oyen
there are advantages to using a separate device.
Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down 
battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that have 
discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader). all of 
these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my experience 
that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want reliability without 
sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra devices on hand.

Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one device, 
but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just a phone.

Just something to keep in mind.

-eric

On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:

> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, and
> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine why
> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some may
> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be upgrading
> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Rick Alfaro
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Alan Paganelli
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
> 
> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
> listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
> ---
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Alan
> 
> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
> 
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
> 
> Please click on:
> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
> 
> ----- Original Message -
> From: "Scott Rumery" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
> 
> 
>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I 
>> know that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log
> 
>> time for it.
>> 
>> Scott Rumery
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
>> 
>>> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Alan Paganelli

Does anybody know what the name of this app will be?
---

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Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

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Please click on:
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There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - 
From: "Russ Kiehne" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval



Wow, that is great news.  I'm really looking forward to this app!

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Holton

Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
is over and the app has been submitted.


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How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I 
know

that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
for it.

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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Mike Arrigo
This may still be the case, not sure, but the number of blind android 
users is growing fast, and that's a very good thing. The level of 
accessibility that is provided is now on the same level, another good thing.

Original message:
One thing that may have enfluenced the NLS is, there are probably more 
blind iOS users than android users.



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On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Mike Arrigo <mailto:n0...@charter.net>> wrote:



Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish 
they would have released them both at the same time.

Original message:




I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
is over and the app has been submitted.





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How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I know
that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
for it.





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The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.





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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
That was already asked and answered in the thread.

On 9/13/13, Alan Paganelli  wrote:
> Does anybody know what the name of this app will be?
> ---
>
> Regards,
>
> Alan
>
> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>
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> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
>
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>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Russ Kiehne" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:15 AM
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>
>
>> Wow, that is great news.  I'm really looking forward to this app!
>>
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: Bill Holton
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:03 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>
>> I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the
>> beta
>> is over and the app has been submitted.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
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>> Of Scott Rumery
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>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>
>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I
>> know
>> that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log
>> time
>> for it.
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>> Scott Rumery
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
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RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Rick Alfaro
I believe it is called Bard Mobile.


Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


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Does anybody know what the name of this app will be?
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- Original Message -
From: "Russ Kiehne" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


> Wow, that is great news.  I'm really looking forward to this app!
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Bill Holton
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:03 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>
> I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
> is over and the app has been submitted.
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Of Scott Rumery
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>
> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I 
> know
> that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
> for it.
>
> Scott Rumery
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
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RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Rick Alfaro
Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, and
Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine why
one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some may
still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be upgrading
to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.


Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


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I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
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Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Alan Paganelli
I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you 
listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?

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website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Rumery" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I 
know that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log 
time for it.


Scott Rumery
On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:


The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.

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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Christopher Chaltain
I don't want to put words in Mike's mouth, but I suspect he isn't saying 
that iPhone users should have been made to wait but rather that NLS 
would have put the resources and schedules in place so that they'd 	both 
be ready at the same time.


On 09/13/2013 11:38 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

Hi,

What would have been the point of having IOS users wait for an Android version 
of the app to be completed?

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:


Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish they 
would have released them both at the same time.
Original message:

I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
is over and the app has been submitted.




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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona

any idea how long it takes apple to approve apps?
On 9/13/2013 9:29 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:

That is great news. Thanks for the info.

On 9/13/13, Scott Rumery  wrote:

Okay that is such awesome news. I can't wait to give it a try.

Scott
On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:03 AM, "Bill Holton"  wrote:


I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the
beta
is over and the app has been submitted.


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How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I
know
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On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:


The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.

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RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Rick Alfaro
It can really vary. From experience I've had beta testing other apps, it can
be as quick as one week but definitely can go longer. With the release of
IOS 7, I would imagine they must be flooded with updates so it wouldn't
surprise me if it took a while.


Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


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any idea how long it takes apple to approve apps?
On 9/13/2013 9:29 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:
> That is great news. Thanks for the info.
>
> On 9/13/13, Scott Rumery  wrote:
>> Okay that is such awesome news. I can't wait to give it a try.
>>
>> Scott
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:03 AM, "Bill Holton"  wrote:
>>
>>> I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that 
>>> the beta is over and the app has been submitted.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> Behalf Of Scott Rumery
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:40 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>>
>>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news 
>>> because I know that there are a lot of blind people who have been 
>>> waiting a very log time for it.
>>>
>>> Scott Rumery
>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
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>>>> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
Yes

On 9/13/13, Alan Paganelli  wrote:
> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
> listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
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> - Original Message -
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> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>
>
>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I
>> know that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log
>>
>> time for it.
>>
>> Scott Rumery
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Scott Davert
HI.
Sorry, but those choosing to run Android must accept the fact of doing
so that it sometimes results in apps not being as readily available. I
understand the frustration since I'm a braille user and braille is
always a lower priority than speech support for apps. Which is why I
cannot choose Android at this time because of the lack of said braille
support. You may recall that they did a survey asking patrons this
question, what would they use the app on? My guess, and this is all it
is, would be that the majority of respondents said they would use it
on iDevices, so they took that approach. I do agree, why should they
wait to release on both platforms at the same time? There are other
devs who choose Android first, and that's their right.
As to the other questions in this thread, Neil Bernstein estimated it
could take up to 2 weeks given the fact that there are so many updates
coming out right now with the release of iOS 7 pending. . I know it
was at least tested with one iOS 7 device.

HTH,
Scott

On 9/13/13, Chuck Dean  wrote:
> Please, let's not turn this into a long drawnout discussion And clog
> everybody's inboxes. Anything said here is just going to be supposition, and
> not productive
>
> Chuck (mobile)
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>
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Yup.  I definitely here yah.  But, maybe that’ just wasn’t practical for
>> any number of reasons.  Lack of funding, development setbacks, etc.
>>
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't want to put words in Mike's mouth, but I suspect he isn't saying
>>> that iPhone users should have been made to wait but rather that NLS would
>>> have put the resources and schedules in place so that they'dboth be
>>> ready at the same time.
>>>
>>> On 09/13/2013 11:38 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> What would have been the point of having IOS users wait for an Android
>>>> version of the app to be completed?
>>>>
>>>> Ricardo Walker
>>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish
>>>>> they would have released them both at the same time.
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the
>>>>>> beta
>>>>>> is over and the app has been submitted.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Scott Rumery
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:40 AM
>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>>>>
>>>>>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because
>>>>>> I know
>>>>>> that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> for it.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott Rumery
>>>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
>>>>>
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Joseph FreeTech
Bard is the NLS service allowing registered blind users to download recorded 
audio books to one's reading device such as Victor Reader. I'm assuming many 
are excited because this means one will be able to read these books on their 
IOS device. The books are read by actual people and are not necessarily text 
files read by synthetic speech. After today's post, this means we should be 
able to download NLS books by the end of the month.

Joseph

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Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


Hi! Sorry to sound so ignorant, but can someone please let us know what this 
app is all about? My curiosity is aroused! :-) (Voice Converted to Text via 
iPhone;Excuse typos)

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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread AppleGourmet
Hi! Sorry to sound so ignorant, but can someone please let us know what this 
app is all about? My curiosity is aroused! :-) (Voice Converted to Text via 
iPhone;Excuse typos) 

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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
It lets you listen to National Library Services books on the IPhone.

On 9/13/13, AppleGourmet  wrote:
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Christopher Chaltain
There are also those apps which are only available on Android and come 
out for Android first. I don't have any examples in mind, other than say 
Google, but I know they've been discussed on several lists as iPhone 
users have had to wait for apps that Android users already had access to.


I don't know the results of the survey you're referring to, but I 
suspect you're right. Given how recent the survey was though, I doubt it 
had any impact on the release schedule for the NLS app.


On 09/13/2013 01:12 PM, Scott Davert wrote:

HI.
Sorry, but those choosing to run Android must accept the fact of doing
so that it sometimes results in apps not being as readily available. I
understand the frustration since I'm a braille user and braille is
always a lower priority than speech support for apps. Which is why I
cannot choose Android at this time because of the lack of said braille
support. You may recall that they did a survey asking patrons this
question, what would they use the app on? My guess, and this is all it
is, would be that the majority of respondents said they would use it
on iDevices, so they took that approach. I do agree, why should they
wait to release on both platforms at the same time? There are other
devs who choose Android first, and that's their right.
As to the other questions in this thread, Neil Bernstein estimated it
could take up to 2 weeks given the fact that there are so many updates
coming out right now with the release of iOS 7 pending. . I know it
was at least tested with one iOS 7 device.

HTH,
Scott

On 9/13/13, Chuck Dean  wrote:

Please, let's not turn this into a long drawnout discussion And clog
everybody's inboxes. Anything said here is just going to be supposition, and
not productive

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:


Hi,

Yup.  I definitely here yah.  But, maybe that’ just wasn’t practical for
any number of reasons.  Lack of funding, development setbacks, etc.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
wrote:


I don't want to put words in Mike's mouth, but I suspect he isn't saying
that iPhone users should have been made to wait but rather that NLS would
have put the resources and schedules in place so that they'dboth be
ready at the same time.

On 09/13/2013 11:38 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

Hi,

What would have been the point of having IOS users wait for an Android
version of the app to be completed?

Ricardo Walker
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On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:


Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish
they would have released them both at the same time.
Original message:

I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the
beta
is over and the app has been submitted.




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How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because
I know
that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log
time
for it.



Scott Rumery
On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton 
wrote:



The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.



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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Richard Ring
One thing that may have enfluenced the NLS is, there are probably more blind 
iOS users than android users.

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On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

> Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish they 
> would have released them both at the same time.
> Original message:
>> I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
>> is over and the app has been submitted.
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Scott Rumery
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:40 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
> 
>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I know
>> that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
>> for it.
> 
>> Scott Rumery
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
How long does it usually take for an app which is submitted to become
available? Also was it tested with IOS7?

On 9/13/13, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> What would have been the point of having IOS users wait for an Android
> version of the app to be completed?
>
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
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>
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>
>> Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish they
>> would have released them both at the same time.
>> Original message:
>>> I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the
>>> beta
>>> is over and the app has been submitted.
>>
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Scott Rumery
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:40 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>
>>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I
>>> know
>>> that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log
>>> time
>>> for it.
>>
>>> Scott Rumery
>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
>>
>>>> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Chuck Dean
Please, let's not turn this into a long drawnout discussion And clog 
everybody's inboxes. Anything said here is just going to be supposition, and 
not productive

Chuck (mobile)
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On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Yup.  I definitely here yah.  But, maybe that’ just wasn’t practical for any 
> number of reasons.  Lack of funding, development setbacks, etc.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
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> 
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
>> I don't want to put words in Mike's mouth, but I suspect he isn't saying 
>> that iPhone users should have been made to wait but rather that NLS would 
>> have put the resources and schedules in place so that they'dboth be 
>> ready at the same time.
>> 
>> On 09/13/2013 11:38 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> What would have been the point of having IOS users wait for an Android 
>>> version of the app to be completed?
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish they 
>>>> would have released them both at the same time.
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
>>>>> is over and the app has been submitted.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>>>> Of Scott Rumery
>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:40 AM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>>> 
>>>>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I 
>>>>> know
>>>>> that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
>>>>> for it.
>>>> 
>>>>> Scott Rumery
>>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
>>>> 
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

Yup.  I definitely here yah.  But, maybe that’ just wasn’t practical for any 
number of reasons.  Lack of funding, development setbacks, etc.

Ricardo Walker
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On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

> I don't want to put words in Mike's mouth, but I suspect he isn't saying that 
> iPhone users should have been made to wait but rather that NLS would have put 
> the resources and schedules in place so that they'd   both be ready at 
> the same time.
> 
> On 09/13/2013 11:38 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> What would have been the point of having IOS users wait for an Android 
>> version of the app to be completed?
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish they 
>>> would have released them both at the same time.
>>> Original message:
>>>> I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
>>>> is over and the app has been submitted.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>>> Of Scott Rumery
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:40 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>> 
>>>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I 
>>>> know
>>>> that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
>>>> for it.
>>> 
>>>> Scott Rumery
>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
>>> 
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RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Bill Holton
BARD Mobile


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Michael Malver
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 11:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

For those of us who want to obsessively watch the app store for its release,
what was the bard app  named?


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Of Russ Kiehne
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

Wow, that is great news.  I'm really looking forward to this app!

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Holton
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
is over and the app has been submitted.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Rumery
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I know
that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
for it.

Scott Rumery
On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:

> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Russ Kiehne

Wow, that is great news.  I'm really looking forward to this app!

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Holton

Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
is over and the app has been submitted.


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Of Scott Rumery
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Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I know
that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
for it.

Scott Rumery
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Mike Arrigo
Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish 
they would have released them both at the same time.

Original message:

I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
is over and the app has been submitted.




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How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I know
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On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:



The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.



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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
That is great news. Thanks for the info.

On 9/13/13, Scott Rumery  wrote:
> Okay that is such awesome news. I can't wait to give it a try.
>
> Scott
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:03 AM, "Bill Holton"  wrote:
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>> I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the
>> beta
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>>
>>
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>> that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Scott Rumery
Okay that is such awesome news. I can't wait to give it a try.

Scott
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> I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

What would have been the point of having IOS users wait for an Android version 
of the app to be completed?

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

> Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish they 
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> Original message:
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>> is over and the app has been submitted.
> 
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>> Of Scott Rumery
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> 
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>> that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
>> for it.
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RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Wayne gmail
Oh the doubting Thomas!!   Thanks for finding the bugs so we
don't have to!  The demo of the early version Jane did a few months ago were
very encouraging.  I'm looking forward to it.

Regards,
Wayne

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I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
is over and the app has been submitted.


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How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I know
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RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Michael Malver
For those of us who want to obsessively watch the app store for its release,
what was the bard app  named?


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Wow, that is great news.  I'm really looking forward to this app!

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Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
is over and the app has been submitted.


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How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I know
that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
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RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-13 Thread Bill Holton
I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
is over and the app has been submitted.


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How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I know
that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
for it.

Scott Rumery
On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:

> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
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