RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Todd Patkus]

Rich et al,

You forgot that many times when companies hire new staff, they do not actually 
train them well enough.  Look at what happened to the RIDE, also known as 
paratransit, under the MBTA (Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority) years 
ago.  When an announcement was made statewide, the RIDE staff were to have 
tough training for a certain period of time, but, after the period ended, what 
happened?  Many of the drivers were not well-trained!  I did tell the general 
manager assistant that they need more training.  He did not say.  Then, what?  
That same man left without letting me know!

Same can happen to Apple staff.  Think of it.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

to all,

the quote is blindness separates us form things and deafness separates us form 
people.

blind gain wonderful things to have communication than deaf do. deaf is more 
disabled than blind due to communication issues. sometimes apple staff don't 
realize this. there are some issues apple staff don't guarantee by not dealing 
with braille display users. they think what they belive, but they don't 
realize. there are some issues that brialle users have.

todd, go to settings, then go to genreal, then go to storage and then there is 
something that yo can look and enter app, then go down and find the word 
"delete" and then it asks yo if yo are sure and you say yes and then app is 
gone.

ssincerely,
rich


-Original Message-
From: Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

Actually, there is really no way to do that!

Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!

How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen is 
showing or see where to find on the screen!

Think about it.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd,
You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims Notetaker 
list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps should be similar

You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've got to 
use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there should be Braille 
feedback of everything VO says.

1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar. 
When you get to the app
2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and Braille should 
show"Moving [app name]."
3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking whether you 
want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and double-tap it. 
(You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
here.)
4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.

HTH,
Dani





.



On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> To all:
>
>
>
> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to 
> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech 
> users.
> That
> is not fair.
>
>
>
> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>
>
>
> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>
>
>
> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the 
> right commands for that task.
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Todd
>
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RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Richard Turner]

Pablo,
The folks that started this thread are deaf-blind so have no audio feedback.  
But, the braille display will show Activate, default."

Richard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo C. Morales
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 9:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

More over, if we hear careful, we will notice that on activate, a few seconds 
after, voice over says, default.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Hi Richard,

I think the "Activate" option which in fact should be "Delete" is not the 
default. If it were and you were to double tap immediately after double tapping 
on Arrange Apps without flicking up or down then the response should be the 
prompt to delete the app, but the response is to Move he app so the default is 
Move and not Activate/Delete and that is my story and I'm sticking to it *smile*

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd and all,

I have my Braille Edge connected to my iPhone.  The commands are the same for 
all HIMS braille displays, so it is the same as your Braille Sense Mini.
I turned off speech so I am only going by what the display says.
The steps are:
1.  Use cord-dot4 or dot 1 to get to  the app you want to delete.
2.  Press cord-dot6.  When it shows "arrange apps" press cord-dots 3,6.
3.  Press cord-dot6 again so it shows "activate default."  Press cord-dots3,6.
4.  It will say "delete app" at that point, hit cord-dot6 until you get to the 
delete button and press cord-dots3,6.

Now, this is where Apple should make two changes.  
When you are "arranging apps" and it shows "activate default" that should show 
"delete default" since that is now the default action.
Also, to get out of edit mode, you have to press the physical home button on 
the phone.  If you press cord-h it will exit terminal mode and your display 
won't be connected to your braille display.

I hope this is helpful.

Richard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

to all,

the quote is blindness separates us form things and deafness separates us form 
people.

blind gain wonderful things to have communication than deaf do. deaf is more 
disabled than blind due to communication issues. sometimes apple staff don't 
realize this. there are some issues apple staff don't guarantee by not dealing 
with braille display users. they think what they belive, but they don't 
realize. there are some issues that brialle users have.

todd, go to settings, then go to genreal, then go to storage and then there is 
something that yo can look and enter app, then go down and find the word 
"delete" and then it asks yo if yo are sure and you say yes and then app is 
gone.

ssincerely,
rich


-Original Message-
From: Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

Actually, there is really no way to do that!

Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!

How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen is 
showing or see where to find on the screen!

Think about it.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd,
You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims Notetaker 
list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps should be similar

You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've got to 
use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there should be Braille 
feedback of everything VO says.

1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar. 
When you get to the app
2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and Braille should 
show"Moving [app name]."
3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking whether you 
want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and double-tap it. 
(You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
here.)
4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.

HTH,
Dani





.



On 11/18/16, T

RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Richard Turner]

Hi Rich,
Well, I have worked with all the Braille Sense models as well as the Braille 
Edge and I can assure you that the commands are absolutely the same.
Your point about all iPhones not working the same is true.  You will note that 
none of the commands I gave for deleting an app actually used the rotor.  
Unless you do a rotor command before you do cord-dot6, and move it away from 
the default, then that could mess it up.
The bottom line for all of us, blind but hearing, or deaf-blind, is that if 
something doesn’t work correctly, go back and make sure everything is correctly 
starting at the right place.
If cord-dot6 doesn’t bring up the “arrange apps” option, then use cord-dots5,6 
or 2,3 to make sure the rotor is on “action.”
That is the kind of problem solving we all have to do.

I will try selecting an Email and putting it into a text message only using the 
braille display and let you know what I find out.

I hope you understand that I am not being critical , but trying to be clear and 
helpful.

Richard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 10:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

richard and sieghard,

both of you could be correct for whatever you go through experience.

richard, I let you know that sometimes some commands of rotor bars don’t always 
appear as some could be possible bugs. some of us do have what you have and 
some of us do have with sieghard has. todd doesn’t have what you have or 
doesn’t have what sieghard has. some iphones don’t always work right. like 
human beings nothing is perfect. and eveyrone always expect comuter being 
perfect. sheesh1

richard, when I tried to make copy form email to transfer to text message, 
apple staff give step-by-step, and I did everything, but they are missing as 
they don’t use brialle display and thye n’t try to lok over and find out as the 
would realize that they are missing.

sometimes it works fine for me and sometimes they don’t work on others. 
sometimes omething works on others whiel someonthing doesn’t work on me. we 
have sifferent settings. just like fingerprints as we are not the same. wink1

sincerely,
rich


From: Richard Turner<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app


You may want to read step 3 again.
I said to use cord-dot6 again to move to where it shows "activate default" 
which is what the Apple label says.
Like I said, I turned speech off and was going by only what the braille display 
showed.
Richard

“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya


(Sent from my iPod 6)

On Nov 19, 2016, at 8:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
<siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Hi Richard,

I think the "Activate" option which in fact should be "Delete" is not the 
default. If it were and you were to double tap immediately after double tapping 
on Arrange Apps without flicking up or down then the response should be the 
prompt to delete the app, but the response is to Move he app so the default is 
Move and not Activate/Delete and that is my story and I'm sticking to it *smile*

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd and all,

I have my Braille Edge connected to my iPhone.  The commands are the same for 
all HIMS braille displays, so it is the same as your Braille Sense Mini.
I turned off speech so I am only going by what the display says.
The steps are:
1.  Use cord-dot4 or dot 1 to get to  the app you want to delete.
2.  Press cord-dot6.  When it shows "arrange apps" press cord-dots 3,6.
3.  Press cord-dot6 again so it shows "activate default."  Press cord-dots3,6.
4.  It will say "delete app" at that point, hit cord-dot6 until you get to the 
delete button and press cord-dots3,6.

Now, this is where Apple should make two changes.
When you are "arranging apps" and it shows "activate default" that should show 
"delete default" since that is now the default action.
Also, to get out of edit mode, you have to press the physical home button on 
the phone.  If you press cord-h it will exit terminal mode and your display 
won't be connected to your braille display.

I hope this is helpful.

Richard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Saturday, Novem

RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Pablo C. Morales]

More over, if we hear careful, we will notice that on activate, a few seconds 
after, voice over says, default.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Hi Richard,

I think the "Activate" option which in fact should be "Delete" is not the 
default. If it were and you were to double tap immediately after double tapping 
on Arrange Apps without flicking up or down then the response should be the 
prompt to delete the app, but the response is to Move he app so the default is 
Move and not Activate/Delete and that is my story and I'm sticking to it *smile*

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd and all,

I have my Braille Edge connected to my iPhone.  The commands are the same for 
all HIMS braille displays, so it is the same as your Braille Sense Mini.
I turned off speech so I am only going by what the display says.
The steps are:
1.  Use cord-dot4 or dot 1 to get to  the app you want to delete.
2.  Press cord-dot6.  When it shows "arrange apps" press cord-dots 3,6.
3.  Press cord-dot6 again so it shows "activate default."  Press cord-dots3,6.
4.  It will say "delete app" at that point, hit cord-dot6 until you get to the 
delete button and press cord-dots3,6.

Now, this is where Apple should make two changes.  
When you are "arranging apps" and it shows "activate default" that should show 
"delete default" since that is now the default action.
Also, to get out of edit mode, you have to press the physical home button on 
the phone.  If you press cord-h it will exit terminal mode and your display 
won't be connected to your braille display.

I hope this is helpful.

Richard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

to all,

the quote is blindness separates us form things and deafness separates us form 
people.

blind gain wonderful things to have communication than deaf do. deaf is more 
disabled than blind due to communication issues. sometimes apple staff don't 
realize this. there are some issues apple staff don't guarantee by not dealing 
with braille display users. they think what they belive, but they don't 
realize. there are some issues that brialle users have.

todd, go to settings, then go to genreal, then go to storage and then there is 
something that yo can look and enter app, then go down and find the word 
"delete" and then it asks yo if yo are sure and you say yes and then app is 
gone.

ssincerely,
rich


-Original Message-
From: Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

Actually, there is really no way to do that!

Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!

How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen is 
showing or see where to find on the screen!

Think about it.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd,
You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims Notetaker 
list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps should be similar

You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've got to 
use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there should be Braille 
feedback of everything VO says.

1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar. 
When you get to the app
2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and Braille should 
show"Moving [app name]."
3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking whether you 
want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and double-tap it. 
(You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
here.)
4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.

HTH,
Dani





.



On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> To all:
>
>
>
> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to 
> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech 
> users.
> That
> is not fair.
>
>
>
> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>
>
>
> Who may be able to tell me how to kill 

Re: Braille commands for deleting app

[Paul Richard McGann]

richard and sieghard, 

both of you could be correct for whatever you go through experience. 

richard, I let you know that sometimes some commands of rotor bars don’t always 
appear as some could be possible bugs. some of us do have what you have and 
some of us do have with sieghard has. todd doesn’t have what you have or 
doesn’t have what sieghard has. some iphones don’t always work right. like 
human beings nothing is perfect. and eveyrone always expect comuter being 
perfect. sheesh1

richard, when I tried to make copy form email to transfer to text message, 
apple staff give step-by-step, and I did everything, but they are missing as 
they don’t use brialle display and thye n’t try to lok over and find out as the 
would realize that they are missing. 

sometimes it works fine for me and sometimes they don’t work on others. 
sometimes omething works on others whiel someonthing doesn’t work on me. we 
have sifferent settings. just like fingerprints as we are not the same. wink1

sincerely, 
rich 


From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app


You may want to read step 3 again.
I said to use cord-dot6 again to move to where it shows "activate default" 
which is what the Apple label says.
Like I said, I turned speech off and was going by only what the braille display 
showed.
Richard



“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya




(Sent from my iPod 6)

On Nov 19, 2016, at 8:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:


  Hi Richard,

  I think the "Activate" option which in fact should be "Delete" is not the 
default. If it were and you were to double tap immediately after double tapping 
on Arrange Apps without flicking up or down then the response should be the 
prompt to delete the app, but the response is to Move he app so the default is 
Move and not Activate/Delete and that is my story and I'm sticking to it *smile*

  Regards,
  Sieghard

  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
  Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:41 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

  Todd and all,

  I have my Braille Edge connected to my iPhone.  The commands are the same for 
all HIMS braille displays, so it is the same as your Braille Sense Mini.
  I turned off speech so I am only going by what the display says.
  The steps are:
  1.  Use cord-dot4 or dot 1 to get to  the app you want to delete.
  2.  Press cord-dot6.  When it shows "arrange apps" press cord-dots 3,6.
  3.  Press cord-dot6 again so it shows "activate default."  Press cord-dots3,6.
  4.  It will say "delete app" at that point, hit cord-dot6 until you get to 
the delete button and press cord-dots3,6.

  Now, this is where Apple should make two changes.  
  When you are "arranging apps" and it shows "activate default" that should 
show "delete default" since that is now the default action.
  Also, to get out of edit mode, you have to press the physical home button on 
the phone.  If you press cord-h it will exit terminal mode and your display 
won't be connected to your braille display.

  I hope this is helpful.

  Richard



  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Richard McGann
  Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:03 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

  to all,

  the quote is blindness separates us form things and deafness separates us 
form people.

  blind gain wonderful things to have communication than deaf do. deaf is more 
disabled than blind due to communication issues. sometimes apple staff don't 
realize this. there are some issues apple staff don't guarantee by not dealing 
with braille display users. they think what they belive, but they don't 
realize. there are some issues that brialle users have.

  todd, go to settings, then go to genreal, then go to storage and then there 
is something that yo can look and enter app, then go down and find the word 
"delete" and then it asks yo if yo are sure and you say yes and then app is 
gone.

  ssincerely,
  rich


  -Original Message-----
  From: Todd Patkus
  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:08 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

  Dani,

  Actually, there is really no way to do that!

  Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!

  How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen 
is showing or see where to find on the screen!

  Think about it.

  Todd

  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dani Pagador
  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2

RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Richard Turner]

Glad to help as always.
I only have access to a braille display when I bring one home from work.
However, I’m hoping to have one of my own soon with the new Orbit 20 coming out 
from American Printing House  and Orbit Research.

Later,
Richard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 10:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Hi Richard,

Thanks for adding to this, I was pretty sure this could be relatively easily 
done with just braille and via a braille display without much touching of the 
screen since there are basically only 3 gestures involved, swiping left/right, 
swiping up/down and double tapping.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 9:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app


You may want to read step 3 again.
I said to use cord-dot6 again to move to where it shows "activate default" 
which is what the Apple label says.
Like I said, I turned speech off and was going by only what the braille display 
showed.
Richard

“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya


(Sent from my iPod 6)

On Nov 19, 2016, at 8:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
<siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Hi Richard,

I think the "Activate" option which in fact should be "Delete" is not the 
default. If it were and you were to double tap immediately after double tapping 
on Arrange Apps without flicking up or down then the response should be the 
prompt to delete the app, but the response is to Move he app so the default is 
Move and not Activate/Delete and that is my story and I'm sticking to it *smile*

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd and all,

I have my Braille Edge connected to my iPhone.  The commands are the same for 
all HIMS braille displays, so it is the same as your Braille Sense Mini.
I turned off speech so I am only going by what the display says.
The steps are:
1.  Use cord-dot4 or dot 1 to get to  the app you want to delete.
2.  Press cord-dot6.  When it shows "arrange apps" press cord-dots 3,6.
3.  Press cord-dot6 again so it shows "activate default."  Press cord-dots3,6.
4.  It will say "delete app" at that point, hit cord-dot6 until you get to the 
delete button and press cord-dots3,6.

Now, this is where Apple should make two changes.
When you are "arranging apps" and it shows "activate default" that should show 
"delete default" since that is now the default action.
Also, to get out of edit mode, you have to press the physical home button on 
the phone.  If you press cord-h it will exit terminal mode and your display 
won't be connected to your braille display.

I hope this is helpful.

Richard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

to all,

the quote is blindness separates us form things and deafness separates us form 
people.

blind gain wonderful things to have communication than deaf do. deaf is more 
disabled than blind due to communication issues. sometimes apple staff don't 
realize this. there are some issues apple staff don't guarantee by not dealing 
with braille display users. they think what they belive, but they don't 
realize. there are some issues that brialle users have.

todd, go to settings, then go to genreal, then go to storage and then there is 
something that yo can look and enter app, then go down and find the word 
"delete" and then it asks yo if yo are sure and you say yes and then app is 
gone.

ssincerely,
rich


-Original Message-
From: Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

Actually, there is really no way to do that!

Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!

How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen is 
showing or see where to find on the screen!

Think about it.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
To: vi

RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Richard,

Thanks for adding to this, I was pretty sure this could be relatively easily 
done with just braille and via a braille display without much touching of the 
screen since there are basically only 3 gestures involved, swiping left/right, 
swiping up/down and double tapping.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 9:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app


You may want to read step 3 again.
I said to use cord-dot6 again to move to where it shows "activate default" 
which is what the Apple label says.
Like I said, I turned speech off and was going by only what the braille display 
showed.
Richard

“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya


(Sent from my iPod 6)

On Nov 19, 2016, at 8:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
<siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Hi Richard,

I think the "Activate" option which in fact should be "Delete" is not the 
default. If it were and you were to double tap immediately after double tapping 
on Arrange Apps without flicking up or down then the response should be the 
prompt to delete the app, but the response is to Move he app so the default is 
Move and not Activate/Delete and that is my story and I'm sticking to it *smile*

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd and all,

I have my Braille Edge connected to my iPhone.  The commands are the same for 
all HIMS braille displays, so it is the same as your Braille Sense Mini.
I turned off speech so I am only going by what the display says.
The steps are:
1.  Use cord-dot4 or dot 1 to get to  the app you want to delete.
2.  Press cord-dot6.  When it shows "arrange apps" press cord-dots 3,6.
3.  Press cord-dot6 again so it shows "activate default."  Press cord-dots3,6.
4.  It will say "delete app" at that point, hit cord-dot6 until you get to the 
delete button and press cord-dots3,6.

Now, this is where Apple should make two changes.
When you are "arranging apps" and it shows "activate default" that should show 
"delete default" since that is now the default action.
Also, to get out of edit mode, you have to press the physical home button on 
the phone.  If you press cord-h it will exit terminal mode and your display 
won't be connected to your braille display.

I hope this is helpful.

Richard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

to all,

the quote is blindness separates us form things and deafness separates us form 
people.

blind gain wonderful things to have communication than deaf do. deaf is more 
disabled than blind due to communication issues. sometimes apple staff don't 
realize this. there are some issues apple staff don't guarantee by not dealing 
with braille display users. they think what they belive, but they don't 
realize. there are some issues that brialle users have.

todd, go to settings, then go to genreal, then go to storage and then there is 
something that yo can look and enter app, then go down and find the word 
"delete" and then it asks yo if yo are sure and you say yes and then app is 
gone.

ssincerely,
rich


-Original Message-
From: Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

Actually, there is really no way to do that!

Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!

How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen is 
showing or see where to find on the screen!

Think about it.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd,
You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims Notetaker 
list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps should be similar

You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've got to 
use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there should be Braille 
feedback of everything VO says.

Re: Braille commands for deleting app

[Richard Turner]

You may want to read step 3 again.
I said to use cord-dot6 again to move to where it shows "activate default" 
which is what the Apple label says.
Like I said, I turned speech off and was going by only what the braille display 
showed.
Richard


“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya


(Sent from my iPod 6)

On Nov 19, 2016, at 8:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
<siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Hi Richard,

I think the "Activate" option which in fact should be "Delete" is not the 
default. If it were and you were to double tap immediately after double tapping 
on Arrange Apps without flicking up or down then the response should be the 
prompt to delete the app, but the response is to Move he app so the default is 
Move and not Activate/Delete and that is my story and I'm sticking to it *smile*

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd and all,

I have my Braille Edge connected to my iPhone.  The commands are the same for 
all HIMS braille displays, so it is the same as your Braille Sense Mini.
I turned off speech so I am only going by what the display says.
The steps are:
1.  Use cord-dot4 or dot 1 to get to  the app you want to delete.
2.  Press cord-dot6.  When it shows "arrange apps" press cord-dots 3,6.
3.  Press cord-dot6 again so it shows "activate default."  Press cord-dots3,6.
4.  It will say "delete app" at that point, hit cord-dot6 until you get to the 
delete button and press cord-dots3,6.

Now, this is where Apple should make two changes.
When you are "arranging apps" and it shows "activate default" that should show 
"delete default" since that is now the default action.
Also, to get out of edit mode, you have to press the physical home button on 
the phone.  If you press cord-h it will exit terminal mode and your display 
won't be connected to your braille display.

I hope this is helpful.

Richard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

to all,

the quote is blindness separates us form things and deafness separates us form 
people.

blind gain wonderful things to have communication than deaf do. deaf is more 
disabled than blind due to communication issues. sometimes apple staff don't 
realize this. there are some issues apple staff don't guarantee by not dealing 
with braille display users. they think what they belive, but they don't 
realize. there are some issues that brialle users have.

todd, go to settings, then go to genreal, then go to storage and then there is 
something that yo can look and enter app, then go down and find the word 
"delete" and then it asks yo if yo are sure and you say yes and then app is 
gone.

ssincerely,
rich


-Original Message-
From: Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

Actually, there is really no way to do that!

Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!

How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen is 
showing or see where to find on the screen!

Think about it.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd,
You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims Notetaker 
list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps should be similar

You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've got to 
use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there should be Braille 
feedback of everything VO says.

1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar.
When you get to the app
2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and Braille should 
show"Moving [app name]."
3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking whether you 
want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and double-tap it.
(You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
here.)
4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.

HTH,
Dani





.



On 11/18/1

RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Richard,

I think the "Activate" option which in fact should be "Delete" is not the 
default. If it were and you were to double tap immediately after double tapping 
on Arrange Apps without flicking up or down then the response should be the 
prompt to delete the app, but the response is to Move he app so the default is 
Move and not Activate/Delete and that is my story and I'm sticking to it *smile*

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd and all,

I have my Braille Edge connected to my iPhone.  The commands are the same for 
all HIMS braille displays, so it is the same as your Braille Sense Mini.
I turned off speech so I am only going by what the display says.
The steps are:
1.  Use cord-dot4 or dot 1 to get to  the app you want to delete.
2.  Press cord-dot6.  When it shows "arrange apps" press cord-dots 3,6.
3.  Press cord-dot6 again so it shows "activate default."  Press cord-dots3,6.
4.  It will say "delete app" at that point, hit cord-dot6 until you get to the 
delete button and press cord-dots3,6.

Now, this is where Apple should make two changes.  
When you are "arranging apps" and it shows "activate default" that should show 
"delete default" since that is now the default action.
Also, to get out of edit mode, you have to press the physical home button on 
the phone.  If you press cord-h it will exit terminal mode and your display 
won't be connected to your braille display.

I hope this is helpful.

Richard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

to all,

the quote is blindness separates us form things and deafness separates us form 
people.

blind gain wonderful things to have communication than deaf do. deaf is more 
disabled than blind due to communication issues. sometimes apple staff don't 
realize this. there are some issues apple staff don't guarantee by not dealing 
with braille display users. they think what they belive, but they don't 
realize. there are some issues that brialle users have.

todd, go to settings, then go to genreal, then go to storage and then there is 
something that yo can look and enter app, then go down and find the word 
"delete" and then it asks yo if yo are sure and you say yes and then app is 
gone.

ssincerely,
rich


-Original Message-
From: Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

Actually, there is really no way to do that!

Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!

How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen is 
showing or see where to find on the screen!

Think about it.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd,
You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims Notetaker 
list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps should be similar

You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've got to 
use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there should be Braille 
feedback of everything VO says.

1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar. 
When you get to the app
2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and Braille should 
show"Moving [app name]."
3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking whether you 
want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and double-tap it. 
(You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
here.)
4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.

HTH,
Dani





.



On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> To all:
>
>
>
> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to 
> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech 
> users.
> That
> is not fair.
>
>
>
> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>
>
>
> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>
>
>
> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the 
> right commands for that task.
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Todd
>
> --
> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone 
> list.
>
> If you have any questions or concerns

RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Richard Turner]

Todd and all,

I have my Braille Edge connected to my iPhone.  The commands are the same for 
all HIMS braille displays, so it is the same as your Braille Sense Mini.
I turned off speech so I am only going by what the display says.
The steps are:
1.  Use cord-dot4 or dot 1 to get to  the app you want to delete.
2.  Press cord-dot6.  When it shows "arrange apps" press cord-dots 3,6.
3.  Press cord-dot6 again so it shows "activate default."  Press cord-dots3,6.
4.  It will say "delete app" at that point, hit cord-dot6 until you get to the 
delete button and press cord-dots3,6.

Now, this is where Apple should make two changes.  
When you are "arranging apps" and it shows "activate default" that should show 
"delete default" since that is now the default action.
Also, to get out of edit mode, you have to press the physical home button on 
the phone.  If you press cord-h it will exit terminal mode and your display 
won't be connected to your braille display.

I hope this is helpful.

Richard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

to all,

the quote is blindness separates us form things and deafness separates us 
form people.

blind gain wonderful things to have communication than deaf do. deaf is more 
disabled than blind due to communication issues. sometimes apple staff don't 
realize this. there are some issues apple staff don't guarantee by not 
dealing with braille display users. they think what they belive, but they 
don't realize. there are some issues that brialle users have.

todd, go to settings, then go to genreal, then go to storage and then there 
is something that yo can look and enter app, then go down and find the word 
"delete" and then it asks yo if yo are sure and you say yes and then app is 
gone.

ssincerely,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

Actually, there is really no way to do that!

Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!

How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen 
is showing or see where to find on the screen!

Think about it.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd,
You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims Notetaker 
list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps should be similar

You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've got 
to use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there should be 
Braille feedback of everything VO says.

1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar. 
When you get to the app
2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and Braille 
should show"Moving [app name]."
3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking whether you 
want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and double-tap it. 
(You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
here.)
4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.

HTH,
Dani





.



On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> To all:
>
>
>
> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to
> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech 
> users.
> That
> is not fair.
>
>
>
> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>
>
>
> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>
>
>
> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the
> right commands for that task.
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Todd
>
> --
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Re: Braille commands for deleting app

[Paul Richard McGann]

todd,

big high-five to you eden. wink1 thumbs-up!

todd, yes,  eden explains right.

sincerely,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: Todd Patkus

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Eden,

Are you saying "double tap" = chord dots 36 pressed once?

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Eden

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd he means hit space and dots 3 and 6. Or you could also hit a cursor 
routing button above the item you wish to select. I hope this helps.

Eden

- Original Message -
From: Todd Patkus  <tpte...@gmail.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:27 pm
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app




Hello, Sieghard,

When one says "double tap", it usually means to touch the screen, not the 
Braille keyboard.  That is how I understand.


Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Hi Todd,

You wrote that you can see was arranging apps then activate". If you can 
get to "Activate" on your braille display you should just have to do 
whatever the braille keyboard command is for a double tap and it should 
ask then if you want to delete the app.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 7:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

When I tried it, pressing dot 6, it said arranging apps then activate. 
That is all I can see!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Whew. Then I guess I'm glad I didn't update to IOS10.

I'm using IOS9 and can delete apps fine. My speaker didn't recover very 
much from its lemon bar making experience-my volume is terribly decreased, 
so I'm having to struggle to hear when I don't have a h eadset plugged in. 
I can get access to the VO output using Braille.


And ... I would've thought if it was such a problem, Jonathan Mosen
would've brought it up in his book on IOS10, (something I don't have,
because I don't have the OS.)

Puzzled,
Dani

On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dani,
>
> Actually, there is really no way to do that!
>
> Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!
>
> How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what
> the screen is showing or see where to find on the screen!
>
> Think about it.
>
> Todd
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Dani Pagador
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
>
> Todd,
> You have a Braille display from Hims-I see your mail on theHims
> Notetaker list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps
> should be similar
>
> You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display.
> You've got to use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But
> there should be Braille feedback of everything VO says.
>
> 1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dotblea/4 with 
> spacebar.

> When you get to the app
> 2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and
> Braille should show"Moving [app name)'."
> 3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking
> whether you want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and 
> double-tap it.

> (You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
> here.)
> 4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.
>
> HTH,
> Dani
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>
>
>
> On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> To all:
>>
>>
>>
>> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to
>> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are
>> speech users.
>> That
>> is not fair.
>>
>>
>>
>> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>>
>>
>>
>> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>>
>>
>>
>> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have
>> the right commands for that task.
>

Re: Braille commands for deleting app

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all,

the quote is blindness separates us form things and deafness separates us 
form people.


blind gain wonderful things to have communication than deaf do. deaf is more 
disabled than blind due to communication issues. sometimes apple staff don't 
realize this. there are some issues apple staff don't guarantee by not 
dealing with braille display users. they think what they belive, but they 
don't realize. there are some issues that brialle users have.


todd, go to settings, then go to genreal, then go to storage and then there 
is something that yo can look and enter app, then go down and find the word 
"delete" and then it asks yo if yo are sure and you say yes and then app is 
gone.


ssincerely,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: Todd Patkus

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

Actually, there is really no way to do that!

Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!

How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen 
is showing or see where to find on the screen!


Think about it.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Dani Pagador

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd,
You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims Notetaker 
list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps should be similar


You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've got 
to use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there should be 
Braille feedback of everything VO says.


1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar. 
When you get to the app
2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and Braille 
should show"Moving [app name]."
3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking whether you 
want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and double-tap it. 
(You can use your finger or the cursor routing button

here.)
4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.

HTH,
Dani





.



On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:

To all:



At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to
delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech 
users.

That
is not fair.



We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.



Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?



A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the
right commands for that task.



Thank you.



Todd

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Re: Braille commands for deleting app

[christopher hallsworth]

Todd, "custom actions" is the feature where you may or may not see on your 
Braille display that there are "actions available" for any screen, such as the 
home screen. They are custom as both Apple and third party developers can have 
whatever they choose as available actions. So that's where I got the "custom" 
from. As for dot and key commands, I do not use a Braille display on iOS, so 
appreciate the dot or key command for a double tap which is now space with dots 
3-6. Hope this answers and clarifies things.


> On 19 Nov 2016, at 07:52, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Chris,
> 
> That does not answer.  I asked you where you got the "custom" thing!
> 
> I understand about double tap = chord 36, but what about dot and key 
> command???  Be more specific.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Todd
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:47 AM
> To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
> 
> Todd, what I mean is, perform the equivalent dot or key command to simulate a 
> one finger swipe up or down. Same when I talked about the double tap; you 
> perform the equivalent dot or key command to simulate this gesture.
>> On 19 Nov 2016, at 07:45, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Chris,
>> 
>> Remember I am deafblind.  I am a strong Braille user!  Swiping does not do 
>> much.
>> 
>> Where are you getting all these stuff?
>> 
>> I got just one message, not twice, from you.
>> 
>> Todd
>> 
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of christopher hallsworth
>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:36 AM
>> To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> Do you all know you can now delete apps using the new custom action on the 
>> home screen? If not, check it out. Using your Braille display, you would 
>> perform the key command to swipe up or down until you see "arrange apps" and 
>> perform another key command to double tap. You can then delete apps as you 
>> always have done pre-iOS 10.
>> 
>> Just a heads up.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 19 Nov 2016, at 02:15, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> To all:
>>> 
>>> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to delete 
>>> apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech users.  
>>> That is not fair.
>>> 
>>> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>>> 
>>> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>>> 
>>> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the 
>>> right commands for that task.
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> Todd
>>> 
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RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Todd,

What Chris means by "custom action" is simply a reference to the new way of 
moving/arranging apps in iOS 10 which you do by flicking up or down when you 
are on the home screen with focus on whichever app you want to move or delete. 
I'm not sure if your braille display shows this, but if you touch an app or 
swipe to an app and wait for just a moment Voiceover says "Actions available". 
This is a reminder that you have actions available if you swipe up or down. As 
I explained before, the options are "Activate" which is the default and which 
simply opens the app or "Arrange Apps" which when activated with a double tap 
or, in your case, Chord 36.
Once you press Chord 36 where it says "Arrange Apps" you then have to do 
whatever your equivalent braille display command is for a swipe up or down (it 
doesn't matter which as there are only 2 options) and then when you are on 
"Actions" you do another Chord 36 and this should bring up the delete 
prompt/confirmation. The other option is "Move" which if you activate it will 
allow you to go elsewhere on the screen and then swipe up or down where you 
find options which allow you to bring the original app to that point and you 
can insert it either before or after the app you are now on or create a folder 
with the two apps. For example, you may have your Settings app in the third row 
and in the second position from the left. Now you want to move it to the first 
row and put it in the very left position where, let's say, you currently have 
the Contacts app. You would first go to the Settings app, select the "Arrange 
Apps" option and activate it, then you would activate the Move option. Now you 
would go all the way to the top on your Contacts app, swipe down (or equivalent 
command) until you get to the option "Place Settings before Contacts", then 
double tap or press Chord 36 and Settings gets moved from row 3 to row 1 at the 
very left, Contacts slides over to row 1 second from the left and, of course, 
all other apps also slide one to the right which means whichever app was at the 
very right of each row is now on the very left in the row below.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 11:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Chris,

That does not answer.  I asked you where you got the "custom" thing!

I understand about double tap = chord 36, but what about dot and key command??? 
 Be more specific.

Thank you.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
christopher hallsworth
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:47 AM
To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd, what I mean is, perform the equivalent dot or key command to simulate a 
one finger swipe up or down. Same when I talked about the double tap; you 
perform the equivalent dot or key command to simulate this gesture.
> On 19 Nov 2016, at 07:45, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Chris,
> 
> Remember I am deafblind.  I am a strong Braille user!  Swiping does not do 
> much.
> 
> Where are you getting all these stuff?
> 
> I got just one message, not twice, from you.
> 
> Todd
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:36 AM
> To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
> 
> Hi
> 
> Do you all know you can now delete apps using the new custom action on the 
> home screen? If not, check it out. Using your Braille display, you would 
> perform the key command to swipe up or down until you see "arrange apps" and 
> perform another key command to double tap. You can then delete apps as you 
> always have done pre-iOS 10.
> 
> Just a heads up.
> 
> 
>> On 19 Nov 2016, at 02:15, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> To all:
>> 
>> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to delete 
>> apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech users.  That 
>> is not fair.
>> 
>> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>> 
>> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>> 
>> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the right 
>> commands for that task.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Todd
>> 
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RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Todd Patkus]

Chris,

That does not answer.  I asked you where you got the "custom" thing!

I understand about double tap = chord 36, but what about dot and key command??? 
 Be more specific.

Thank you.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
christopher hallsworth
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:47 AM
To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd, what I mean is, perform the equivalent dot or key command to simulate a 
one finger swipe up or down. Same when I talked about the double tap; you 
perform the equivalent dot or key command to simulate this gesture.
> On 19 Nov 2016, at 07:45, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Chris,
> 
> Remember I am deafblind.  I am a strong Braille user!  Swiping does not do 
> much.
> 
> Where are you getting all these stuff?
> 
> I got just one message, not twice, from you.
> 
> Todd
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:36 AM
> To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
> 
> Hi
> 
> Do you all know you can now delete apps using the new custom action on the 
> home screen? If not, check it out. Using your Braille display, you would 
> perform the key command to swipe up or down until you see "arrange apps" and 
> perform another key command to double tap. You can then delete apps as you 
> always have done pre-iOS 10.
> 
> Just a heads up.
> 
> 
>> On 19 Nov 2016, at 02:15, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> To all:
>> 
>> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to delete 
>> apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech users.  That 
>> is not fair.
>> 
>> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>> 
>> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>> 
>> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the right 
>> commands for that task.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Todd
>> 
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Re: Braille commands for deleting app

[christopher hallsworth]

Todd, what I mean is, perform the equivalent dot or key command to simulate a 
one finger swipe up or down. Same when I talked about the double tap; you 
perform the equivalent dot or key command to simulate this gesture.
> On 19 Nov 2016, at 07:45, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Chris,
> 
> Remember I am deafblind.  I am a strong Braille user!  Swiping does not do 
> much.
> 
> Where are you getting all these stuff?
> 
> I got just one message, not twice, from you.
> 
> Todd
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:36 AM
> To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
> 
> Hi
> 
> Do you all know you can now delete apps using the new custom action on the 
> home screen? If not, check it out. Using your Braille display, you would 
> perform the key command to swipe up or down until you see "arrange apps" and 
> perform another key command to double tap. You can then delete apps as you 
> always have done pre-iOS 10.
> 
> Just a heads up.
> 
> 
>> On 19 Nov 2016, at 02:15, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> To all:
>> 
>> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to delete 
>> apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech users.  That 
>> is not fair.
>> 
>> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>> 
>> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>> 
>> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the right 
>> commands for that task.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Todd
>> 
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RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Todd Patkus]

Chris,

Remember I am deafblind.  I am a strong Braille user!  Swiping does not do much.

Where are you getting all these stuff?

I got just one message, not twice, from you.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
christopher hallsworth
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:36 AM
To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Hi

Do you all know you can now delete apps using the new custom action on the home 
screen? If not, check it out. Using your Braille display, you would perform the 
key command to swipe up or down until you see "arrange apps" and perform 
another key command to double tap. You can then delete apps as you always have 
done pre-iOS 10.

Just a heads up.


> On 19 Nov 2016, at 02:15, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> To all:
>  
> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to delete apps 
> from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech users.  That is 
> not fair.
>  
> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>  
> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>  
> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the right 
> commands for that task.
>  
> Thank you.
>  
> Todd
> 
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Re: Braille commands for deleting app

[christopher hallsworth]

WHat the hell? I just got my own message *twice*. Lol! Have you?
> On 19 Nov 2016, at 07:36, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> Do you all know you can now delete apps using the new custom action on the 
> home screen? If not, check it out. Using your Braille display, you would 
> perform the key command to swipe up or down until you see "arrange apps" and 
> perform another key command to double tap. You can then delete apps as you 
> always have done pre-iOS 10.
> 
> Just a heads up.
> 
> 
>> On 19 Nov 2016, at 02:15, Todd Patkus  wrote:
>> 
>> To all:
>> 
>> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to delete 
>> apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech users.  That 
>> is not fair.
>> 
>> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>> 
>> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>> 
>> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the right 
>> commands for that task.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Todd
>> 
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Re: Braille commands for deleting app

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi

Do you all know you can now delete apps using the new custom action on the home 
screen? If not, check it out. Using your Braille display, you would perform the 
key command to swipe up or down until you see "arrange apps" and perform 
another key command to double tap. You can then delete apps as you always have 
done pre-iOS 10.

Just a heads up.


> On 19 Nov 2016, at 02:15, Todd Patkus  wrote:
> 
> To all:
>  
> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to delete apps 
> from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech users.  That is 
> not fair.
>  
> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>  
> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>  
> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the right 
> commands for that task.
>  
> Thank you.
>  
> Todd
> 
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RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Try whatever you do to open an app.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Sieghard,

Yes, hopefully one will pop up on the list with a better definition of the 
equivalent command for the Braille display.

By the way, if I wanted to open an app, I either press on the cursor router 
more to the left of the display or chord dots 36, which is the same as enter.

If I want to get out of the app, I either press the home button on the iPhone 
or chord h.

With the two words--arranging... and activate, that is chord dot 6 repeatedly.

Not to worry about this.  We will find out soon.

Thank you

Stay well!  Smile

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Yes, but what do you do when you open an app or activate a button or link on 
your iPhone? That is why I wrote you should try whatever braille command you 
use to simulate a double tap. Sorry, I don't own a braille display or I would 
tell you, but I'm sure there is an equivalent command for a double tap which is 
one of the most basic gestures on the iPhone or, for that matter, on most touch 
screen devices. Maybe somebody who has a braille display could turn speech off 
and see if they can get to where they can delete an app only with the braille 
display and then explain it better.

Good luck,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Hello, Sieghard,

When one says "double tap", it usually means to touch the screen, not the 
Braille keyboard.  That is how I understand.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Hi Todd,

You wrote that you can see " arranging apps then activate". If you can get to 
"Activate" on your braille display you should just have to do whatever the 
braille keyboard command is for a double tap and it should ask then if you want 
to delete the app. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 7:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

When I tried it, pressing dot 6, it said arranging apps then activate.  That is 
all I can see!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Whew. Then I guess I'm glad I didn't update to IOS10.

I'm using IOS9 and can delete apps fine. My speaker didn't recover very much 
from its lemon bar making experience--my volume is terribly decreased, so I'm 
having to struggle to hear when I don't have a h eadset plugged in. I can get 
access to the VO output using Braille.

And ... I would've thought if it was such a problem, Jonathan Mosen would've 
brought it up in his book on IOS10, (something I don't have, because I don't 
have the OS.)

Puzzled,
Dani

On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dani,
>
> Actually, there is really no way to do that!
>
> Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!
>
> How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the 
> screen is showing or see where to find on the screen!
>
> Think about it.
>
> Todd
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Dani Pagador
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
>
> Todd,
> You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims 
> Notetaker list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps 
> should be similar
>
> You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've 
> got to use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there 
> should be Braille feedback of everything VO says.
>
> 1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar.
> When you get to the app
> 2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and 
> Braille should show"Moving [app name]."
> 3) Lift your finger and double-ta

Re: Braille commands for deleting app

[Eden]

Exactly once only. There is also a command for double tap and hold which seems 
to only work sporadically. Simply double tapping is space with dots 3 and 6. 
For a double table and hold it's space dots 3 and 6 plus 7 and 8 which are your 
backspace and enter keys. Now that command does not always work but you should 
be able to delete apps in the way Sieghard described once you double tap and 
hold. If you have more problems, email me offlist I will try to help. 
Eden

- Original Message -
From: Todd Patkus  <tpte...@gmail.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:45 pm
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

>
>
> Eden,
> 
> Are you saying "double tap" = chord dots 36 pressed once?
> 
> Todd
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Eden
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:42 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
> 
> Todd he means hit space and dots 3 and 6. Or you could also hit a cursor 
> routing button above the item you wish to select. I hope this helps. 
> Eden
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Todd Patkus  <tpte...@gmail.com>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:27 pm
> Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app
> 
> >
> >
> > Hello, Sieghard,
> > 
> > When one says "double tap", it usually means to touch the screen, not the 
> > Braille keyboard.  That is how I understand.
> > 
> > Todd
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:25 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app
> > 
> > Hi Todd,
> > 
> > You wrote that you can see was arranging apps then activate". If you can 
> > get to "Activate" on your braille display you should just have to do 
> > whatever the braille keyboard command is for a double tap and it should ask 
> > then if you want to delete the app. 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Todd Patkus
> > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 7:21 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app
> > 
> > Dani,
> > 
> > When I tried it, pressing dot 6, it said arranging apps then activate.  
> > That is all I can see!
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Dani Pagador
> > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:16 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
> > 
> > Whew. Then I guess I'm glad I didn't update to IOS10.
> > 
> > I'm using IOS9 and can delete apps fine. My speaker didn't recover very 
> > much from its lemon bar making experience-my volume is terribly decreased, 
> > so I'm having to struggle to hear when I don't have a h eadset plugged in. 
> > I can get access to the VO output using Braille.
> > 
> > And ... I would've thought if it was such a problem, Jonathan Mosen 
> > would've brought it up in his book on IOS10, (something I don't have, 
> > because I don't have the OS.)
> > 
> > Puzzled,
> > Dani
> > 
> > On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Dani,
> > >
> > > Actually, there is really no way to do that!
> > >
> > > Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!
> > >
> > > How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what 
> > > the screen is showing or see where to find on the screen!
> > >
> > > Think about it.
> > >
> > > Todd
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> > > Behalf Of Dani Pagador
> > > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
> > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
> > >
> > > Todd,
> > > You have a Braille display from Hims-I see your mail on theHims 
> > > Notetaker list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps 
> > > should be similar
> > >
> > > You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. 
> > 

RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Todd Patkus]

Eden,

Are you saying "double tap" = chord dots 36 pressed once?

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Eden
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd he means hit space and dots 3 and 6. Or you could also hit a cursor 
routing button above the item you wish to select. I hope this helps. 
Eden

- Original Message -
From: Todd Patkus  <tpte...@gmail.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:27 pm
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

>
>
> Hello, Sieghard,
> 
> When one says "double tap", it usually means to touch the screen, not the 
> Braille keyboard.  That is how I understand.
> 
> Todd
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:25 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app
> 
> Hi Todd,
> 
> You wrote that you can see was arranging apps then activate". If you can get 
> to "Activate" on your braille display you should just have to do whatever the 
> braille keyboard command is for a double tap and it should ask then if you 
> want to delete the app. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Todd Patkus
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 7:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app
> 
> Dani,
> 
> When I tried it, pressing dot 6, it said arranging apps then activate.  That 
> is all I can see!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Dani Pagador
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
> 
> Whew. Then I guess I'm glad I didn't update to IOS10.
> 
> I'm using IOS9 and can delete apps fine. My speaker didn't recover very much 
> from its lemon bar making experience-my volume is terribly decreased, so I'm 
> having to struggle to hear when I don't have a h eadset plugged in. I can get 
> access to the VO output using Braille.
> 
> And ... I would've thought if it was such a problem, Jonathan Mosen 
> would've brought it up in his book on IOS10, (something I don't have, 
> because I don't have the OS.)
> 
> Puzzled,
> Dani
> 
> On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dani,
> >
> > Actually, there is really no way to do that!
> >
> > Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!
> >
> > How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what 
> > the screen is showing or see where to find on the screen!
> >
> > Think about it.
> >
> > Todd
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Dani Pagador
> > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
> >
> > Todd,
> > You have a Braille display from Hims-I see your mail on theHims 
> > Notetaker list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps 
> > should be similar
> >
> > You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. 
> > You've got to use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But 
> > there should be Braille feedback of everything VO says.
> >
> > 1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dotblea/4 with spacebar.
> > When you get to the app
> > 2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and 
> > Braille should show"Moving [app name)'."
> > 3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking 
> > whether you want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and 
> > double-tap it.
> > (You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
> > here.)
> > 4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.
> >
> > HTH,
> > Dani
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > .
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> To all:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to 
> >> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are 
> >> speech users.
> >> That
> >> is not fair.
> >>
> >>
> 

Re: Braille commands for deleting app

[Eden]

Todd he means hit space and dots 3 and 6. Or you could also hit a cursor 
routing button above the item you wish to select. I hope this helps. 
Eden

- Original Message -
From: Todd Patkus  <tpte...@gmail.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:27 pm
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

>
>
> Hello, Sieghard,
> 
> When one says "double tap", it usually means to touch the screen, not the 
> Braille keyboard.  That is how I understand.
> 
> Todd
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:25 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app
> 
> Hi Todd,
> 
> You wrote that you can see was arranging apps then activate". If you can get 
> to "Activate" on your braille display you should just have to do whatever the 
> braille keyboard command is for a double tap and it should ask then if you 
> want to delete the app. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Todd Patkus
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 7:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app
> 
> Dani,
> 
> When I tried it, pressing dot 6, it said arranging apps then activate.  That 
> is all I can see!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Dani Pagador
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
> 
> Whew. Then I guess I'm glad I didn't update to IOS10.
> 
> I'm using IOS9 and can delete apps fine. My speaker didn't recover very much 
> from its lemon bar making experience-my volume is terribly decreased, so I'm 
> having to struggle to hear when I don't have a h eadset plugged in. I can get 
> access to the VO output using Braille.
> 
> And ... I would've thought if it was such a problem, Jonathan Mosen would've 
> brought it up in his book on IOS10, (something I don't have, because I don't 
> have the OS.)
> 
> Puzzled,
> Dani
> 
> On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dani,
> >
> > Actually, there is really no way to do that!
> >
> > Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!
> >
> > How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the 
> > screen is showing or see where to find on the screen!
> >
> > Think about it.
> >
> > Todd
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Dani Pagador
> > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
> >
> > Todd,
> > You have a Braille display from Hims-I see your mail on theHims 
> > Notetaker list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps 
> > should be similar
> >
> > You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've 
> > got to use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there 
> > should be Braille feedback of everything VO says.
> >
> > 1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dotblea/4 with spacebar.
> > When you get to the app
> > 2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and 
> > Braille should show"Moving [app name)'."
> > 3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking 
> > whether you want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and 
> > double-tap it.
> > (You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
> > here.)
> > 4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.
> >
> > HTH,
> > Dani
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > .
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> To all:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to 
> >> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are 
> >> speech users.
> >> That
> >> is not fair.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make 

RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Todd Patkus]

Sieghard,

Both the U2 and the iPhone are completely muted.  So is my PC completely muted.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Yes, but what do you do when you open an app or activate a button or link on 
your iPhone? That is why I wrote you should try whatever braille command you 
use to simulate a double tap. Sorry, I don't own a braille display or I would 
tell you, but I'm sure there is an equivalent command for a double tap which is 
one of the most basic gestures on the iPhone or, for that matter, on most touch 
screen devices. Maybe somebody who has a braille display could turn speech off 
and see if they can get to where they can delete an app only with the braille 
display and then explain it better.

Good luck,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Hello, Sieghard,

When one says "double tap", it usually means to touch the screen, not the 
Braille keyboard.  That is how I understand.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Hi Todd,

You wrote that you can see " arranging apps then activate". If you can get to 
"Activate" on your braille display you should just have to do whatever the 
braille keyboard command is for a double tap and it should ask then if you want 
to delete the app. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 7:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

When I tried it, pressing dot 6, it said arranging apps then activate.  That is 
all I can see!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Whew. Then I guess I'm glad I didn't update to IOS10.

I'm using IOS9 and can delete apps fine. My speaker didn't recover very much 
from its lemon bar making experience--my volume is terribly decreased, so I'm 
having to struggle to hear when I don't have a h eadset plugged in. I can get 
access to the VO output using Braille.

And ... I would've thought if it was such a problem, Jonathan Mosen would've 
brought it up in his book on IOS10, (something I don't have, because I don't 
have the OS.)

Puzzled,
Dani

On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dani,
>
> Actually, there is really no way to do that!
>
> Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!
>
> How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the 
> screen is showing or see where to find on the screen!
>
> Think about it.
>
> Todd
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Dani Pagador
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
>
> Todd,
> You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims 
> Notetaker list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps 
> should be similar
>
> You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've 
> got to use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there 
> should be Braille feedback of everything VO says.
>
> 1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar.
> When you get to the app
> 2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and 
> Braille should show"Moving [app name]."
> 3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking 
> whether you want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and 
> double-tap it.
> (You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
> here.)
> 4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.
>
> HTH,
> Dani
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>
>
>
> On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> To all:
>>
>>
>>
>> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to 
>> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are 
>> speech users.
>> That
>> is not fair.
>>
>>
>>
>> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.

RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Todd Patkus]

Sieghard,

Yes, hopefully one will pop up on the list with a better definition of the 
equivalent command for the Braille display.

By the way, if I wanted to open an app, I either press on the cursor router 
more to the left of the display or chord dots 36, which is the same as enter.

If I want to get out of the app, I either press the home button on the iPhone 
or chord h.

With the two words--arranging... and activate, that is chord dot 6 repeatedly.

Not to worry about this.  We will find out soon.

Thank you

Stay well!  Smile

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Yes, but what do you do when you open an app or activate a button or link on 
your iPhone? That is why I wrote you should try whatever braille command you 
use to simulate a double tap. Sorry, I don't own a braille display or I would 
tell you, but I'm sure there is an equivalent command for a double tap which is 
one of the most basic gestures on the iPhone or, for that matter, on most touch 
screen devices. Maybe somebody who has a braille display could turn speech off 
and see if they can get to where they can delete an app only with the braille 
display and then explain it better.

Good luck,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Hello, Sieghard,

When one says "double tap", it usually means to touch the screen, not the 
Braille keyboard.  That is how I understand.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Hi Todd,

You wrote that you can see " arranging apps then activate". If you can get to 
"Activate" on your braille display you should just have to do whatever the 
braille keyboard command is for a double tap and it should ask then if you want 
to delete the app. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 7:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

When I tried it, pressing dot 6, it said arranging apps then activate.  That is 
all I can see!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Whew. Then I guess I'm glad I didn't update to IOS10.

I'm using IOS9 and can delete apps fine. My speaker didn't recover very much 
from its lemon bar making experience--my volume is terribly decreased, so I'm 
having to struggle to hear when I don't have a h eadset plugged in. I can get 
access to the VO output using Braille.

And ... I would've thought if it was such a problem, Jonathan Mosen would've 
brought it up in his book on IOS10, (something I don't have, because I don't 
have the OS.)

Puzzled,
Dani

On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dani,
>
> Actually, there is really no way to do that!
>
> Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!
>
> How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the 
> screen is showing or see where to find on the screen!
>
> Think about it.
>
> Todd
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Dani Pagador
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
>
> Todd,
> You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims 
> Notetaker list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps 
> should be similar
>
> You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've 
> got to use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there 
> should be Braille feedback of everything VO says.
>
> 1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar.
> When you get to the app
> 2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and 
> Braille should show"Moving [app name]."
> 3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking 
> whether you want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and 
> double-tap it.
> (You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
> here.)
> 4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.
>
> HTH,
> Dani
&

RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes, but what do you do when you open an app or activate a button or link on 
your iPhone? That is why I wrote you should try whatever braille command you 
use to simulate a double tap. Sorry, I don't own a braille display or I would 
tell you, but I'm sure there is an equivalent command for a double tap which is 
one of the most basic gestures on the iPhone or, for that matter, on most touch 
screen devices. Maybe somebody who has a braille display could turn speech off 
and see if they can get to where they can delete an app only with the braille 
display and then explain it better.

Good luck,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Hello, Sieghard,

When one says "double tap", it usually means to touch the screen, not the 
Braille keyboard.  That is how I understand.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Hi Todd,

You wrote that you can see " arranging apps then activate". If you can get to 
"Activate" on your braille display you should just have to do whatever the 
braille keyboard command is for a double tap and it should ask then if you want 
to delete the app. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 7:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

When I tried it, pressing dot 6, it said arranging apps then activate.  That is 
all I can see!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Whew. Then I guess I'm glad I didn't update to IOS10.

I'm using IOS9 and can delete apps fine. My speaker didn't recover very much 
from its lemon bar making experience--my volume is terribly decreased, so I'm 
having to struggle to hear when I don't have a h eadset plugged in. I can get 
access to the VO output using Braille.

And ... I would've thought if it was such a problem, Jonathan Mosen would've 
brought it up in his book on IOS10, (something I don't have, because I don't 
have the OS.)

Puzzled,
Dani

On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dani,
>
> Actually, there is really no way to do that!
>
> Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!
>
> How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the 
> screen is showing or see where to find on the screen!
>
> Think about it.
>
> Todd
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Dani Pagador
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
>
> Todd,
> You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims 
> Notetaker list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps 
> should be similar
>
> You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've 
> got to use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there 
> should be Braille feedback of everything VO says.
>
> 1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar.
> When you get to the app
> 2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and 
> Braille should show"Moving [app name]."
> 3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking 
> whether you want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and 
> double-tap it.
> (You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
> here.)
> 4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.
>
> HTH,
> Dani
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>
>
>
> On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> To all:
>>
>>
>>
>> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to 
>> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are 
>> speech users.
>> That
>> is not fair.
>>
>>
>>
>> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>>
>>
>>
>> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>>
>>
>>
>> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have 
>> the right commands for that task.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> T

RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Todd Patkus]

Hello, Sieghard,

When one says "double tap", it usually means to touch the screen, not the 
Braille keyboard.  That is how I understand.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Hi Todd,

You wrote that you can see " arranging apps then activate". If you can get to 
"Activate" on your braille display you should just have to do whatever the 
braille keyboard command is for a double tap and it should ask then if you want 
to delete the app. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 7:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

When I tried it, pressing dot 6, it said arranging apps then activate.  That is 
all I can see!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Whew. Then I guess I'm glad I didn't update to IOS10.

I'm using IOS9 and can delete apps fine. My speaker didn't recover very much 
from its lemon bar making experience--my volume is terribly decreased, so I'm 
having to struggle to hear when I don't have a h eadset plugged in. I can get 
access to the VO output using Braille.

And ... I would've thought if it was such a problem, Jonathan Mosen would've 
brought it up in his book on IOS10, (something I don't have, because I don't 
have the OS.)

Puzzled,
Dani

On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dani,
>
> Actually, there is really no way to do that!
>
> Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!
>
> How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the 
> screen is showing or see where to find on the screen!
>
> Think about it.
>
> Todd
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Dani Pagador
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
>
> Todd,
> You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims 
> Notetaker list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps 
> should be similar
>
> You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've 
> got to use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there 
> should be Braille feedback of everything VO says.
>
> 1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar.
> When you get to the app
> 2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and 
> Braille should show"Moving [app name]."
> 3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking 
> whether you want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and 
> double-tap it.
> (You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
> here.)
> 4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.
>
> HTH,
> Dani
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>
>
>
> On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> To all:
>>
>>
>>
>> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to 
>> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are 
>> speech users.
>> That
>> is not fair.
>>
>>
>>
>> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>>
>>
>>
>> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>>
>>
>>
>> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have 
>> the right commands for that task.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Todd
>>
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RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Todd,

You wrote that you can see " arranging apps then activate". If you can get to 
"Activate" on your braille display you should just have to do whatever the 
braille keyboard command is for a double tap and it should ask then if you want 
to delete the app. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 7:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

When I tried it, pressing dot 6, it said arranging apps then activate.  That is 
all I can see!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Whew. Then I guess I'm glad I didn't update to IOS10.

I'm using IOS9 and can delete apps fine. My speaker didn't recover very much 
from its lemon bar making experience--my volume is terribly decreased, so I'm 
having to struggle to hear when I don't have a h eadset plugged in. I can get 
access to the VO output using Braille.

And ... I would've thought if it was such a problem, Jonathan Mosen would've 
brought it up in his book on IOS10, (something I don't have, because I don't 
have the OS.)

Puzzled,
Dani

On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dani,
>
> Actually, there is really no way to do that!
>
> Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!
>
> How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the 
> screen is showing or see where to find on the screen!
>
> Think about it.
>
> Todd
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Dani Pagador
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
>
> Todd,
> You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims 
> Notetaker list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps 
> should be similar
>
> You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've 
> got to use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there 
> should be Braille feedback of everything VO says.
>
> 1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar.
> When you get to the app
> 2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and 
> Braille should show"Moving [app name]."
> 3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking 
> whether you want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and 
> double-tap it.
> (You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
> here.)
> 4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.
>
> HTH,
> Dani
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>
>
>
> On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> To all:
>>
>>
>>
>> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to 
>> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are 
>> speech users.
>> That
>> is not fair.
>>
>>
>>
>> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>>
>>
>>
>> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>>
>>
>>
>> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have 
>> the right commands for that task.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Todd
>>
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>>
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RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Todd Patkus]

Scot,

Who do you yourself are?  Quit hollering at me.  I do not need you to yell at 
me like this.  Your behavior is unacceptable.  You yourself are very childish!  
You have no right to yell at anyone here.

You also need to learn to be more friendly and more understanding!

To all, please do not listen to him.  He is very rude!  Scott has behavioral 
problems, yes.  I do not listen to him.

I have done nothing wrong.  Scott has!

Thanks.

Todd



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
dollar...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Tedd,  I am going to have to disagree with you.  I have no problems to delete 
app of my iphone.  But, please stop critized on Aple.  I am in the agreement 
with Dani.  You need to learn the new way as learning curve for the fact.   
Scott Dollar 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 18, 2016, at 9:08 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dani,
> 
> Actually, there is really no way to do that!
> 
> Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!
> 
> How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen 
> is showing or see where to find on the screen!
> 
> Think about it.
> 
> Todd
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Dani Pagador
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
> 
> Todd,
> You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims 
> Notetaker list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps 
> should be similar
> 
> You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've got to 
> use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there should be 
> Braille feedback of everything VO says.
> 
> 1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with 
> spacebar. When you get to the app
> 2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and Braille 
> should show"Moving [app name]."
> 3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking 
> whether you want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and 
> double-tap it. (You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
> here.)
> 4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.
> 
> HTH,
> Dani
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> .
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> To all:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to 
>> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech users.
>> That
>> is not fair.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have 
>> the right commands for that task.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Todd
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Re: Braille commands for deleting app

[Dani Pagador]

I don't have IOS10, so can't help further. Sorry about that. Hoping
someone who has the IOS can help.

More Later,
Dani

On 11/18/16, dollar...@gmail.com <dollar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tedd,  I am going to have to disagree with you.  I have no problems to
> delete app of my iphone.  But, please stop critized on Aple.  I am in the
> agreement with Dani.  You need to learn the new way as learning curve for
> the fact.   Scott Dollar
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 18, 2016, at 9:08 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dani,
>>
>> Actually, there is really no way to do that!
>>
>> Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!
>>
>> How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the
>> screen is showing or see where to find on the screen!
>>
>> Think about it.
>>
>> Todd
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Dani Pagador
>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
>>
>> Todd,
>> You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims Notetaker
>> list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps should be
>> similar
>>
>> You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've got
>> to use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there should be
>> Braille feedback of everything VO says.
>>
>> 1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar.
>> When you get to the app
>> 2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and Braille
>> should show"Moving [app name]."
>> 3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking whether
>> you want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and double-tap
>> it. (You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
>> here.)
>> 4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Dani
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> To all:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to
>>> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech
>>> users.
>>> That
>>> is not fair.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the
>>> right commands for that task.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Todd
>>>
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Re: Braille commands for deleting app

[dollar031]

Tedd,  I am going to have to disagree with you.  I have no problems to delete 
app of my iphone.  But, please stop critized on Aple.  I am in the agreement 
with Dani.  You need to learn the new way as learning curve for the fact.   
Scott Dollar 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 18, 2016, at 9:08 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dani,
> 
> Actually, there is really no way to do that!
> 
> Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!
> 
> How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen 
> is showing or see where to find on the screen!
> 
> Think about it.
> 
> Todd
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Dani Pagador
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
> 
> Todd,
> You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims Notetaker 
> list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps should be similar
> 
> You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've got to 
> use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there should be 
> Braille feedback of everything VO says.
> 
> 1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar. 
> When you get to the app
> 2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and Braille 
> should show"Moving [app name]."
> 3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking whether you 
> want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and double-tap it. (You 
> can use your finger or the cursor routing button
> here.)
> 4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.
> 
> HTH,
> Dani
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> .
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> To all:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to 
>> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech users.
>> That
>> is not fair.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the 
>> right commands for that task.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Todd
>> 
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RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Todd Patkus]

Dani,

When I tried it, pressing dot 6, it said arranging apps then activate.  That is 
all I can see!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Whew. Then I guess I'm glad I didn't update to IOS10.

I'm using IOS9 and can delete apps fine. My speaker didn't recover very much 
from its lemon bar making experience--my volume is terribly decreased, so I'm 
having to struggle to hear when I don't have a h eadset plugged in. I can get 
access to the VO output using Braille.

And ... I would've thought if it was such a problem, Jonathan Mosen would've 
brought it up in his book on IOS10, (something I don't have, because I don't 
have the OS.)

Puzzled,
Dani

On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dani,
>
> Actually, there is really no way to do that!
>
> Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!
>
> How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the 
> screen is showing or see where to find on the screen!
>
> Think about it.
>
> Todd
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Dani Pagador
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
>
> Todd,
> You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims 
> Notetaker list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps 
> should be similar
>
> You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've 
> got to use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there 
> should be Braille feedback of everything VO says.
>
> 1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar.
> When you get to the app
> 2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and 
> Braille should show"Moving [app name]."
> 3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking 
> whether you want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and 
> double-tap it.
> (You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
> here.)
> 4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.
>
> HTH,
> Dani
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>
>
>
> On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> To all:
>>
>>
>>
>> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to 
>> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are 
>> speech users.
>> That
>> is not fair.
>>
>>
>>
>> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>>
>>
>>
>> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>>
>>
>>
>> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have 
>> the right commands for that task.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Todd
>>
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Re: Braille commands for deleting app

[Dani Pagador]

Whew. Then I guess I'm glad I didn't update to IOS10.

I'm using IOS9 and can delete apps fine. My speaker didn't recover
very much from its lemon bar making experience--my volume is terribly
decreased, so I'm having to struggle to hear when I don't have a h
eadset plugged in. I can get access to the VO output using Braille.

And ... I would've thought if it was such a problem, Jonathan Mosen
would've brought it up in his book on IOS10, (something I don't have,
because I don't have the OS.)

Puzzled,
Dani

On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dani,
>
> Actually, there is really no way to do that!
>
> Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!
>
> How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen
> is showing or see where to find on the screen!
>
> Think about it.
>
> Todd
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Dani Pagador
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
>
> Todd,
> You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims Notetaker
> list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps should be similar
>
> You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've got
> to use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there should be
> Braille feedback of everything VO says.
>
> 1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar.
> When you get to the app
> 2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and Braille
> should show"Moving [app name]."
> 3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking whether you
> want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and double-tap it.
> (You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
> here.)
> 4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.
>
> HTH,
> Dani
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>
>
>
> On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> To all:
>>
>>
>>
>> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to
>> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech
>> users.
>> That
>> is not fair.
>>
>>
>>
>> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>>
>>
>>
>> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>>
>>
>>
>> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the
>> right commands for that task.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Todd
>>
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RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Todd Patkus]

Dani,

Actually, there is really no way to do that!

Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!

How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen is 
showing or see where to find on the screen!

Think about it.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd,
You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims Notetaker 
list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps should be similar

You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've got to 
use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there should be Braille 
feedback of everything VO says.

1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar. When 
you get to the app
2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and Braille should 
show"Moving [app name]."
3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking whether you 
want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and double-tap it. (You 
can use your finger or the cursor routing button
here.)
4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.

HTH,
Dani





.



On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> To all:
>
>
>
> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to 
> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech users.
> That
> is not fair.
>
>
>
> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>
>
>
> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>
>
>
> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the 
> right commands for that task.
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Todd
>
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Re: Braille commands for deleting app

[Dani Pagador]

Todd,
You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims
Notetaker list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps
should be similar

You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've
got to use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there
should be Braille feedback of everything VO says.

1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with
spacebar. When you get to the app
2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and
Braille should show"Moving [app name]."
3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking
whether you want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and
double-tap it. (You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
here.)
4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.

HTH,
Dani





.



On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus  wrote:
> To all:
>
>
>
> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to delete
> apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech users.
> That
> is not fair.
>
>
>
> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>
>
>
> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>
>
>
> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the
> right
> commands for that task.
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Todd
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