RE: Bluetooth keyboards was Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Robert Wright]

I just did. I reported that the shift key did not work while typing messages.

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From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 1:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bluetooth keyboards was Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

I can also confirm this, hopefully everybody is reporting this to WhatsApp as a 
bug.

From: 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone  
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboards was Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

Hi all 

I’ve just updated to 13.1.1 and am having exactly the same issue with my 
bluetooth keyboard ... the shift key when using Whatsapp is absolutely 
useless!! 

Eleanor 
Sent from my iPhone

On 28 Sep 2019, at 18:59, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
Except in the Whatsapp app, in which if you try Shift+4 for instance it will 
type the number four, instead of the dolar sign; Shift+5 won’t type the percent 
sign etc., but on all other apps, the Bluetooth keyboard works great!
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 28 sep 2019, a la(s) 11:26 a. m., Richard Turner 
 escribió:
 
I’ve started a new thread to focus on the issue now being discussed under the 
iOS 13.1.1 is out thread.
 
I have never known of any Bluetooth keyboard issues.  Did I miss something?
 
The only issues I know of where keyboards are concerned is the third party 
software keyboards like FlickType and MBraille.
Physical external keyboards have worked fine for me through the beta cycle and 
now with iOS 13.1.1.
I have a logictech and I know someone with an Anchor that hasn’t really had any 
issues.
 
 
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Re: Bluetooth keyboards was Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Christina]

Also, I don’t think the control key works either in WhatsApp because I tried 
the control plus spacebar to pull up the onscreen keyboard so i could try 
inserting punctuation that way since the shift key doesn’t work, but it didn’t 
work. I did report this to WhatsApp and they responded a few days ago saying 
that they escalated it to the developers.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 29, 2019, at 1:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> I can also confirm this, hopefully everybody is reporting this to WhatsApp as 
> a bug.
>  
> From: 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 3:10 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboards was Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out
>  
> Hi all 
>  
> I’ve just updated to 13.1.1 and am having exactly the same issue with my 
> bluetooth keyboard ... the shift key when using Whatsapp is absolutely 
> useless!! 
>  
> Eleanor 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On 28 Sep 2019, at 18:59, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> Except in the Whatsapp app, in which if you try Shift+4 for instance it will 
> type the number four, instead of the dolar sign; Shift+5 won’t type the 
> percent sign etc., but on all other apps, the Bluetooth keyboard works great!
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
> 
> 
> El 28 sep 2019, a la(s) 11:26 a. m., Richard Turner 
>  escribió:
> 
> 
> I’ve started a new thread to focus on the issue now being discussed under the 
> iOS 13.1.1 is out thread.
>  
> I have never known of any Bluetooth keyboard issues.  Did I miss something?
>  
> The only issues I know of where keyboards are concerned is the third party 
> software keyboards like FlickType and MBraille.
> Physical external keyboards have worked fine for me through the beta cycle 
> and now with iOS 13.1.1.
> I have a logictech and I know someone with an Anchor that hasn’t really had 
> any issues.
>  
>  
> Richard
>  
> 🖖 Live long and prosper
>  
>  
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RE: Bluetooth keyboards was Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I can also confirm this, hopefully everybody is reporting this to WhatsApp as a 
bug.

From: 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboards was Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

Hi all

I’ve just updated to 13.1.1 and am having exactly the same issue with my 
bluetooth keyboard ... the shift key when using Whatsapp is absolutely 
useless!!

Eleanor
Sent from my iPhone


On 28 Sep 2019, at 18:59, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
Except in the Whatsapp app, in which if you try Shift+4 for instance it will 
type the number four, instead of the dolar sign; Shift+5 won’t type the percent 
sign etc., but on all other apps, the Bluetooth keyboard works great!
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel


El 28 sep 2019, a la(s) 11:26 a. m., Richard Turner 
 escribió:

I’ve started a new thread to focus on the issue now being discussed under the 
iOS 13.1.1 is out thread.

I have never known of any Bluetooth keyboard issues.  Did I miss something?

The only issues I know of where keyboards are concerned is the third party 
software keyboards like FlickType and MBraille.
Physical external keyboards have worked fine for me through the beta cycle and 
now with iOS 13.1.1.
I have a logictech and I know someone with an Anchor that hasn’t really had any 
issues.


Richard

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RE: Bluetooth keyboards was Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Richard Turner]

As of today, the app store shows it was updated 1 week ago.  That would be 
before iOS 13.1.1 came out.
I looked at their web site.
To contact them, they say to go to:
Open WhatsApp, settings, help, contact us.
That way you are contacting them from your phone/iPad.

I think this will be the only way to hope to get a solution for those using 
WhatsApp.


Richard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 3:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboards was Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

This clearly sounds like it is limited to WhatsApp, because every single person 
is citing the same app. Sounds like time for y’all to write  WhatsApp and get 
them to fix whatever is broken.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 28, 2019, at 3:09 PM, 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
Hi all

I’ve just updated to 13.1.1 and am having exactly the same issue with my 
bluetooth keyboard ... the shift key when using Whatsapp is absolutely 
useless!!

Eleanor
Sent from my iPhone


On 28 Sep 2019, at 18:59, Gerardo Corripio 
mailto:gera1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Except in the Whatsapp app, in which if you try Shift+4 for instance it will 
type the number four, instead of the dolar sign; Shift+5 won’t type the percent 
sign etc., but on all other apps, the Bluetooth keyboard works great!
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel


El 28 sep 2019, a la(s) 11:26 a. m., Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> escribió:

I’ve started a new thread to focus on the issue now being discussed under the 
iOS 13.1.1 is out thread.

I have never known of any Bluetooth keyboard issues.  Did I miss something?

The only issues I know of where keyboards are concerned is the third party 
software keyboards like FlickType and MBraille.
Physical external keyboards have worked fine for me through the beta cycle and 
now with iOS 13.1.1.
I have a logictech and I know someone with an Anchor that hasn’t really had any 
issues.


Richard

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Re: Bluetooth keyboards was Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Mary Otten]

This clearly sounds like it is limited to WhatsApp, because every single person 
is citing the same app. Sounds like time for y’all to write  WhatsApp and get 
them to fix whatever is broken.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2019, at 3:09 PM, 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all 
> 
> I’ve just updated to 13.1.1 and am having exactly the same issue with my 
> bluetooth keyboard ... the shift key when using Whatsapp is absolutely 
> useless!! 
> 
> Eleanor 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 28 Sep 2019, at 18:59, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>> 
>> Except in the Whatsapp app, in which if you try Shift+4 for instance it 
>> will type the number four, instead of the dolar sign; Shift+5 won’t type the 
>> percent sign etc., but on all other apps, the Bluetooth keyboard works great!
>> 
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
>> 
>>> El 28 sep 2019, a la(s) 11:26 a. m., Richard Turner 
>>>  escribió:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I’ve started a new thread to focus on the issue now being discussed under 
>>> the iOS 13.1.1 is out thread.
>>>  
>>> I have never known of any Bluetooth keyboard issues.  Did I miss something?
>>>  
>>> The only issues I know of where keyboards are concerned is the third party 
>>> software keyboards like FlickType and MBraille.
>>> Physical external keyboards have worked fine for me through the beta cycle 
>>> and now with iOS 13.1.1.
>>> I have a logictech and I know someone with an Anchor that hasn’t really had 
>>> any issues.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Richard
>>>  
>>> 🖖 Live long and prosper
>>>  
>>>  
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Re: Bluetooth keyboards was Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

['Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone]

Hi all 

I’ve just updated to 13.1.1 and am having exactly the same issue with my 
bluetooth keyboard ... the shift key when using Whatsapp is absolutely 
useless!! 

Eleanor 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Sep 2019, at 18:59, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> Except in the Whatsapp app, in which if you try Shift+4 for instance it will 
> type the number four, instead of the dolar sign; Shift+5 won’t type the 
> percent sign etc., but on all other apps, the Bluetooth keyboard works great!
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
> 
>> El 28 sep 2019, a la(s) 11:26 a. m., Richard Turner 
>>  escribió:
>> 
>> 
>> I’ve started a new thread to focus on the issue now being discussed under 
>> the iOS 13.1.1 is out thread.
>>  
>> I have never known of any Bluetooth keyboard issues.  Did I miss something?
>>  
>> The only issues I know of where keyboards are concerned is the third party 
>> software keyboards like FlickType and MBraille.
>> Physical external keyboards have worked fine for me through the beta cycle 
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Re: Bluetooth keyboards was Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Gerardo Corripio]

Except in the Whatsapp app, in which if you try Shift+4 for instance it will 
type the number four, instead of the dolar sign; Shift+5 won’t type the percent 
sign etc., but on all other apps, the Bluetooth keyboard works great!

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

> El 28 sep 2019, a la(s) 11:26 a. m., Richard Turner 
>  escribió:
> 
> 
> I’ve started a new thread to focus on the issue now being discussed under the 
> iOS 13.1.1 is out thread.
>  
> I have never known of any Bluetooth keyboard issues.  Did I miss something?
>  
> The only issues I know of where keyboards are concerned is the third party 
> software keyboards like FlickType and MBraille.
> Physical external keyboards have worked fine for me through the beta cycle 
> and now with iOS 13.1.1.
> I have a logictech and I know someone with an Anchor that hasn’t really had 
> any issues.
>  
>  
> Richard
>  
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>  
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RE: Bluetooth keyboards was Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Richard Turner]

If just one app, the app is the problem.

Glad it isn’t wide spread.


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Leung
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 10:51 AM
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Happen to both shift keys and with different keyboards. It only occurs in 1 app.


Blessing, Danny



On 28 Sep 2019, at 1:34 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

If it is only in that one place, then I’d suspect an app issue.
If it happens other places, then that might be a keyboard issue.

Is it just one shift key, or both?

I’ve had no issues with the shift keys anywhere, but I don’t use that app.


Richard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Danny 
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Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboards was Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out


Hi Richard,

I have problem using the shift key within the WhatsApp app. Is it IOS issue or 
problem in the app.

Blessing,
Danny




On 28 Sep 2019, at 12:26 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I’ve started a new thread to focus on the issue now being discussed under the 
iOS 13.1.1 is out thread.

I have never known of any Bluetooth keyboard issues.  Did I miss something?

The only issues I know of where keyboards are concerned is the third party 
software keyboards like FlickType and MBraille.
Physical external keyboards have worked fine for me through the beta cycle and 
now with iOS 13.1.1.
I have a logictech and I know someone with an Anchor that hasn’t really had any 
issues.


Richard

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Re: Bluetooth keyboards was Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Danny Leung]

Happen to both shift keys and with different keyboards. It only occurs in 1 
app. 



Blessing, Danny


> On 28 Sep 2019, at 1:34 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 


If it is only in that one place, then I’d suspect an app issue.
If it happens other places, then that might be a keyboard issue.
 
Is it just one shift key, or both?
 
I’ve had no issues with the shift keys anywhere, but I don’t use that app.
 
 
Richard
 
🖖 Live long and prosper
 
 
Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Danny 
Leung
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 10:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboards was Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out
 
 
Hi Richard,
 
I have problem using the shift key within the WhatsApp app. Is it IOS issue or 
problem in the app. 

 
Blessing,
Danny
 


On 28 Sep 2019, at 12:26 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:


I’ve started a new thread to focus on the issue now being discussed under the 
iOS 13.1.1 is out thread.
 
I have never known of any Bluetooth keyboard issues.  Did I miss something?
 
The only issues I know of where keyboards are concerned is the third party 
software keyboards like FlickType and MBraille.
Physical external keyboards have worked fine for me through the beta cycle and 
now with iOS 13.1.1.
I have a logictech and I know someone with an Anchor that hasn’t really had any 
issues.
 
 
Richard
 
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Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
 
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RE: Bluetooth keyboards was Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Richard Turner]

If it is only in that one place, then I’d suspect an app issue.
If it happens other places, then that might be a keyboard issue.

Is it just one shift key, or both?

I’ve had no issues with the shift keys anywhere, but I don’t use that app.


Richard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Danny 
Leung
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 10:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboards was Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out


Hi Richard,

I have problem using the shift key within the WhatsApp app. Is it IOS issue or 
problem in the app.

Blessing,
Danny



On 28 Sep 2019, at 12:26 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I’ve started a new thread to focus on the issue now being discussed under the 
iOS 13.1.1 is out thread.

I have never known of any Bluetooth keyboard issues.  Did I miss something?

The only issues I know of where keyboards are concerned is the third party 
software keyboards like FlickType and MBraille.
Physical external keyboards have worked fine for me through the beta cycle and 
now with iOS 13.1.1.
I have a logictech and I know someone with an Anchor that hasn’t really had any 
issues.


Richard

🖖 Live long and prosper


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Re: Bluetooth keyboards was Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Danny Leung]

Hi Richard,

I have problem using the shift key within the WhatsApp app. Is it IOS issue or 
problem in the app. 


Blessing,
Danny


> On 28 Sep 2019, at 12:26 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 


I’ve started a new thread to focus on the issue now being discussed under the 
iOS 13.1.1 is out thread.
 
I have never known of any Bluetooth keyboard issues.  Did I miss something?
 
The only issues I know of where keyboards are concerned is the third party 
software keyboards like FlickType and MBraille.
Physical external keyboards have worked fine for me through the beta cycle and 
now with iOS 13.1.1.
I have a logictech and I know someone with an Anchor that hasn’t really had any 
issues.
 
 
Richard
 
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Bluetooth keyboards was Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Richard Turner]

I’ve started a new thread to focus on the issue now being discussed under the 
iOS 13.1.1 is out thread.

I have never known of any Bluetooth keyboard issues.  Did I miss something?

The only issues I know of where keyboards are concerned is the third party 
software keyboards like FlickType and MBraille.
Physical external keyboards have worked fine for me through the beta cycle and 
now with iOS 13.1.1.
I have a logictech and I know someone with an Anchor that hasn’t really had any 
issues.


Richard

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Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Shirley Baker]

I am using my logitech keyboard as I reply to this message and it is working 
fine for me.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2019, at 12:01 AM, Louise Johnson  wrote:
> 
> Hi all:
> 
> I want to know have they fixed blue tooth key boards. I will not update until 
> I know I can entre in edit fields on my Logitech key board.   Louise and 
> princess Kiara 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Gail Selfridge' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 8:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out
> 
> I am waiting at least until the developers fix nearby explorer hoping that by 
> then Apple will have fixed all the rest of the bugs in iOS 13 point whatever. 
> This is ridiculous. Gail Sent from Gail’s iPhone
> 
> On Sep 27, 2019, at 11:58 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> From Mac Rumors web site;
> iOS and iPadOS 13.1.1 are minor update that focuses on bug fixes and 
> performance improvements rather than major outward-facing changes. It 
> addresses a third-party keyboard vulnerability, for example, which Apple 
> outlined earlier this week.
> According to Apple's release notes, the iOS 13.1.1 update addresses the 
> following bugs:
> - Fixes issues that could prevent iPhone restoring from backup
> - Addresses an issue that could cause battery to drain more quickly
> - Fixes an issue that could impact recognition of Siri requests on iPhone 11, 
> iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max- Resolves a problem where Safari search 
> suggestions may re-enable after turning them off
> - Addresses an issue that could cause Reminders to sync slowly
> - Fixes a security issue for third-party keyboard apps There are also 
> separate release notes for the iPad, but the update addresses the same 
> issues: 
> - Fixes issues that could prevent iPad restoring from backup
> - Addresses an issue that could cause battery to drain more quickly
> - Resolves a problem where Safari search suggestions may re-enable after 
> turning them off
> - Addresses an issue that could cause Reminders to sync slowly
> - Fixes a security issue for third-party keyboard apps
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
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> 
> 
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gordon
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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> 
> I'm not sure if this does much for us, but you can go get it now. It says bug 
> fixes.
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Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Russ Kiehne]

Do you think ios 13 release was as bad as ios 8 when it was released?

-Original Message- 
From: 'Gail Selfridge' via VIPhone

Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 8:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

I am waiting at least until the developers fix nearby explorer hoping that 
by then Apple will have fixed all the rest of the bugs in iOS 13 point 
whatever. This is ridiculous. Gail Sent from Gail’s iPhone


On Sep 27, 2019, at 11:58 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:



From Mac Rumors web site;
iOS and iPadOS 13.1.1 are minor update that focuses on bug fixes and 
performance improvements rather than major outward-facing changes. It 
addresses a

third-party keyboard vulnerability, for example, which Apple
outlined earlier this week.
According to Apple's release notes, the iOS 13.1.1 update addresses the 
following bugs:

- Fixes issues that could prevent iPhone restoring from backup
- Addresses an issue that could cause battery to drain more quickly
- Fixes an issue that could impact recognition of
Siri
requests on
iPhone 11,
iPhone 11 Pro
and
iPhone 11 Pro Max-
Resolves a problem where Safari search suggestions may re-enable after 
turning them off

- Addresses an issue that could cause Reminders to sync slowly
- Fixes a security issue for third-party keyboard apps
There are also separate release notes for the
iPad,
but the update addresses the same issues:
- Fixes issues that could prevent iPad restoring from backup
- Addresses an issue that could cause battery to drain more quickly
- Resolves a problem where Safari search suggestions may re-enable after 
turning them off

- Addresses an issue that could cause Reminders to sync slowly
- Fixes a security issue for third-party keyboard apps


Richard

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Gordon

Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IOS 13.1.1 is out

I'm not sure if this does much for us, but you can go get it now. It says 
bug fixes.


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Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Dave]

That is why, i always recommend waiting a while, before updating.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: 'Gail Selfridge' via VIPhone

Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 4:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

I am waiting at least until the developers fix nearby explorer hoping that 
by then Apple will have fixed all the rest of the bugs in iOS 13 point 
whatever. This is ridiculous. Gail Sent from Gail’s iPhone


On Sep 27, 2019, at 11:58 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:



From Mac Rumors web site;
iOS and iPadOS 13.1.1 are minor update that focuses on bug fixes and 
performance improvements rather than major outward-facing changes. It 
addresses a

third-party keyboard vulnerability, for example, which Apple
outlined earlier this week.
According to Apple's release notes, the iOS 13.1.1 update addresses the 
following bugs:

- Fixes issues that could prevent iPhone restoring from backup
- Addresses an issue that could cause battery to drain more quickly
- Fixes an issue that could impact recognition of
Siri
requests on
iPhone 11,
iPhone 11 Pro
and
iPhone 11 Pro Max-
Resolves a problem where Safari search suggestions may re-enable after 
turning them off

- Addresses an issue that could cause Reminders to sync slowly
- Fixes a security issue for third-party keyboard apps
There are also separate release notes for the
iPad,
but the update addresses the same issues:
- Fixes issues that could prevent iPad restoring from backup
- Addresses an issue that could cause battery to drain more quickly
- Resolves a problem where Safari search suggestions may re-enable after 
turning them off

- Addresses an issue that could cause Reminders to sync slowly
- Fixes a security issue for third-party keyboard apps


Richard

🖖 Live long and prosper


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Gordon

Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IOS 13.1.1 is out

I'm not sure if this does much for us, but you can go get it now. It says 
bug fixes.


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RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Robert Wright]

Where are you having a problem with your BT keyboard? I only use a BT keyboard 
when I am at home. I have had one annoying problem and that is when emoticon 
keyboard pops up. I fix that by pressing VO space bar.

**If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the 
learning start?*** 

From: Louise Johnson
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 11:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

Hi all:

I want to know have they fixed blue tooth key boards. I will not update until I 
know I can entre in edit fields on my Logitech key board.   Louise and princess 
Kiara 


-Original Message-
From: 'Gail Selfridge' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 8:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

I am waiting at least until the developers fix nearby explorer hoping that by 
then Apple will have fixed all the rest of the bugs in iOS 13 point whatever. 
This is ridiculous. Gail Sent from Gail’s iPhone

On Sep 27, 2019, at 11:58 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:

>From Mac Rumors web site;
iOS and iPadOS 13.1.1 are minor update that focuses on bug fixes and 
performance improvements rather than major outward-facing changes. It addresses 
a third-party keyboard vulnerability, for example, which Apple outlined earlier 
this week.
According to Apple's release notes, the iOS 13.1.1 update addresses the 
following bugs:
- Fixes issues that could prevent iPhone restoring from backup
- Addresses an issue that could cause battery to drain more quickly
- Fixes an issue that could impact recognition of Siri requests on iPhone 11, 
iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max- Resolves a problem where Safari search 
suggestions may re-enable after turning them off
- Addresses an issue that could cause Reminders to sync slowly
- Fixes a security issue for third-party keyboard apps There are also separate 
release notes for the iPad, but the update addresses the same issues: 
- Fixes issues that could prevent iPad restoring from backup
- Addresses an issue that could cause battery to drain more quickly
- Resolves a problem where Safari search suggestions may re-enable after 
turning them off
- Addresses an issue that could cause Reminders to sync slowly
- Fixes a security issue for third-party keyboard apps


Richard

🖖 Live long and prosper


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gordon
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IOS 13.1.1 is out

I'm not sure if this does much for us, but you can go get it now. It says bug 
fixes.

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RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Louise Johnson]

Hi all:

I want to know have they fixed blue tooth key boards. I will not update until I 
know I can entre in edit fields on my Logitech key board.   Louise and princess 
Kiara 


-Original Message-
From: 'Gail Selfridge' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 8:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

I am waiting at least until the developers fix nearby explorer hoping that by 
then Apple will have fixed all the rest of the bugs in iOS 13 point whatever. 
This is ridiculous. Gail Sent from Gail’s iPhone

On Sep 27, 2019, at 11:58 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:

>From Mac Rumors web site;
iOS and iPadOS 13.1.1 are minor update that focuses on bug fixes and 
performance improvements rather than major outward-facing changes. It addresses 
a third-party keyboard vulnerability, for example, which Apple outlined earlier 
this week.
According to Apple's release notes, the iOS 13.1.1 update addresses the 
following bugs:
- Fixes issues that could prevent iPhone restoring from backup
- Addresses an issue that could cause battery to drain more quickly
- Fixes an issue that could impact recognition of Siri requests on iPhone 11, 
iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max- Resolves a problem where Safari search 
suggestions may re-enable after turning them off
- Addresses an issue that could cause Reminders to sync slowly
- Fixes a security issue for third-party keyboard apps There are also separate 
release notes for the iPad, but the update addresses the same issues: 
- Fixes issues that could prevent iPad restoring from backup
- Addresses an issue that could cause battery to drain more quickly
- Resolves a problem where Safari search suggestions may re-enable after 
turning them off
- Addresses an issue that could cause Reminders to sync slowly
- Fixes a security issue for third-party keyboard apps


Richard

🖖 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gordon
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IOS 13.1.1 is out

I'm not sure if this does much for us, but you can go get it now. It says bug 
fixes.

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Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Donna]

My memory has been the best that it ever has been in the past 9 months. Now I 
can remember where I sat my strawberry dackery down..🙃

Donna
> 
> Hmmm my memory is still as good as it always has been. I worry more
> about drunk driving but that's besides the point. These issues will be
> sorted soon.
> 
>> On 9/27/19, David Moore  wrote:
>> It just fries your brain over the years, destroys your memorizing
>> capability, and puts others in danger if you are driving or handling heavy
>> machines, that’s all LOL!
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>> 
>> From: Lynda Ingraham
>> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 7:09 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out
>> 
>> What's wrong with smoking dope? LOL
>> 
>> Lynda
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich
>> Verrier
>> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 5:38 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out
>> 
>> Maybe they are smoking dope and not getting anything elts dun and maybe that
>> is why it is horrible they thought of all these ideas wile under the
>> influence of drugs. From Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry
>> Lumpkin
>> Sent: September 27, 2019 4:38 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out
>> 
>> I can't imagine what their testing department is doing. I think it's
>> horrible.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan
>> Lemly
>> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 2:30 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out
>> 
>> Cristobal,
>> 
>> I'd have to agree. iOS 13.0 was released 9/19/19, iOS 13.1 was released
>> 9/24/19, and now iOS 13.1.1 was released 9/27/19. I'm glad Apple is working
>> quickly to correct issues but I'd prefer they get the major issues resolved
>> before initial release. I'll bide my time a bit longer before upgrading from
>> iOS 12.4.1.
>> 
>> Alan Lemly
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Cristobal Muñoz
>> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 12:52 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out
>> 
>> Man. This has been an especially sloppy iOS rollout.
>> I think I�m going to cool my jets and see what others say about any of those
>> VO bugs being fixed before I update from 12.4.X.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Gordon
>> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 10:47 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: IOS 13.1.1 is out
>> 
>> I'm not sure if this does much for us, but you can go get it now. It says
>> bug fixes.
>> 
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Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

['Gail Selfridge' via VIPhone]

I am waiting at least until the developers fix nearby explorer hoping that by 
then Apple will have fixed all the rest of the bugs in iOS 13 point whatever. 
This is ridiculous. Gail Sent from Gail’s iPhone

On Sep 27, 2019, at 11:58 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:

>From Mac Rumors web site;
iOS and iPadOS 13.1.1 are minor update that focuses on bug fixes and 
performance improvements rather than major outward-facing changes. It addresses 
a
third-party keyboard vulnerability, for example, which Apple 
outlined earlier this week.
According to Apple's release notes, the iOS 13.1.1 update addresses the 
following bugs:
- Fixes issues that could prevent iPhone restoring from backup 
- Addresses an issue that could cause battery to drain more quickly 
- Fixes an issue that could impact recognition of 
Siri
requests on 
iPhone 11,
iPhone 11 Pro
and 
iPhone 11 Pro Max-
Resolves a problem where Safari search suggestions may re-enable after turning 
them off 
- Addresses an issue that could cause Reminders to sync slowly 
- Fixes a security issue for third-party keyboard apps
There are also separate release notes for the 
iPad,
but the update addresses the same issues: 
- Fixes issues that could prevent iPad restoring from backup 
- Addresses an issue that could cause battery to drain more quickly 
- Resolves a problem where Safari search suggestions may re-enable after 
turning them off 
- Addresses an issue that could cause Reminders to sync slowly 
- Fixes a security issue for third-party keyboard apps


Richard

🖖 Live long and prosper


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I'm not sure if this does much for us, but you can go get it now. It says bug 
fixes.

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Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[lenron brown]

Hmmm my memory is still as good as it always has been. I worry more
about drunk driving but that's besides the point. These issues will be
sorted soon.

On 9/27/19, David Moore  wrote:
> It just fries your brain over the years, destroys your memorizing
> capability, and puts others in danger if you are driving or handling heavy
> machines, that’s all LOL!
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Lynda Ingraham
> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 7:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out
>
> What's wrong with smoking dope? LOL
>
> Lynda
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich
> Verrier
> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 5:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out
>
> Maybe they are smoking dope and not getting anything elts dun and maybe that
> is why it is horrible they thought of all these ideas wile under the
> influence of drugs. From Mich.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry
> Lumpkin
> Sent: September 27, 2019 4:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out
>
> I can't imagine what their testing department is doing. I think it's
> horrible.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan
> Lemly
> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 2:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out
>
> Cristobal,
>
> I'd have to agree. iOS 13.0 was released 9/19/19, iOS 13.1 was released
> 9/24/19, and now iOS 13.1.1 was released 9/27/19. I'm glad Apple is working
> quickly to correct issues but I'd prefer they get the major issues resolved
> before initial release. I'll bide my time a bit longer before upgrading from
> iOS 12.4.1.
>
> Alan Lemly
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Cristobal Muñoz
> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 12:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out
>
> Man. This has been an especially sloppy iOS rollout.
> I think I�m going to cool my jets and see what others say about any of those
> VO bugs being fixed before I update from 12.4.X.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Gordon
> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 10:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: IOS 13.1.1 is out
>
> I'm not sure if this does much for us, but you can go get it now. It says
> bug fixes.
>
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RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[David Moore]

It just fries your brain over the years, destroys your memorizing capability, 
and puts others in danger if you are driving or handling heavy machines, that’s 
all LOL!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Lynda Ingraham
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 7:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

What's wrong with smoking dope? LOL 

Lynda 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 5:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

Maybe they are smoking dope and not getting anything elts dun and maybe that is 
why it is horrible they thought of all these ideas wile under the influence of 
drugs. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Lumpkin
Sent: September 27, 2019 4:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

I can't imagine what their testing department is doing. I think it's horrible.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 2:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

Cristobal,

I'd have to agree. iOS 13.0 was released 9/19/19, iOS 13.1 was released 
9/24/19, and now iOS 13.1.1 was released 9/27/19. I'm glad Apple is working 
quickly to correct issues but I'd prefer they get the major issues resolved 
before initial release. I'll bide my time a bit longer before upgrading from 
iOS 12.4.1.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cristobal Muñoz
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 12:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

Man. This has been an especially sloppy iOS rollout.
I think I�m going to cool my jets and see what others say about any of those VO 
bugs being fixed before I update from 12.4.X.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gordon
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IOS 13.1.1 is out

I'm not sure if this does much for us, but you can go get it now. It says bug 
fixes.

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RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Lynda Ingraham]

What's wrong with smoking dope? LOL 

Lynda 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 5:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

Maybe they are smoking dope and not getting anything elts dun and maybe that is 
why it is horrible they thought of all these ideas wile under the influence of 
drugs. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Lumpkin
Sent: September 27, 2019 4:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

I can't imagine what their testing department is doing. I think it's horrible.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 2:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

Cristobal,

I'd have to agree. iOS 13.0 was released 9/19/19, iOS 13.1 was released 
9/24/19, and now iOS 13.1.1 was released 9/27/19. I'm glad Apple is working 
quickly to correct issues but I'd prefer they get the major issues resolved 
before initial release. I'll bide my time a bit longer before upgrading from 
iOS 12.4.1.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cristobal Muñoz
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 12:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

Man. This has been an especially sloppy iOS rollout.
I think I�m going to cool my jets and see what others say about any of those VO 
bugs being fixed before I update from 12.4.X.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gordon
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IOS 13.1.1 is out

I'm not sure if this does much for us, but you can go get it now. It says bug 
fixes.

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Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Michael McKay]

Hi folks:

I understand that there is an issue concerning the battery, and that for some 
reason the battery runs down quicker. I have heard this rumour but don’t know 
how true it is and do not know if it affects everybody’s phone when they 
download it. Can someone please speak on this issue for a couple of minutes as 
I have not downloaded the hi folks:

I understand that there is an issue concerning the battery, and that for some 
reason the battery runs down quicker. I have heard this rumour but don’t know 
how true it is and do not know if it affects everybody’s phone when they 
download it. Can someone please speak on this issue for a couple of minutes as 
I have not downloaded the IOS 13.1.1 as yet. 13.1.1 as yet.

Thanks in advance.

Regards!
Michael G. MacKay BA,‘ 05.
Email mgmckay1...@gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 27, 2019, at 19:08, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I don’t recall there being that much after iOS 12. iOS 12 was the slow down 
> on the features and fix bugs release. It was one of the more solid releases 
> out of the gate as I recall. 11 on the other hand, not so much. 
> 
> Regarding that bug with the phone calls and voiceover going silent. I 
> understand that the easiest work around is to plug in a lightning cable. It 
> doesn’t even have to have earbuds on it. Just one of those little lightning 
> cables with something on the other end like an adapter like you get are used 
> to get with iPhones. That’s not great. But it beats a showstopping loss of 
> speech. I think the whole notion of having to release software because you 
> have to release hardware is in sane. I know they all do it of course. But why 
> not just well, put off the release of the hardware for a week or two? We’ve 
> seen Apple put off iPhone releases before. Why not this time. They could have 
> released the phone a week or two later and had it with iOS 13.1 rather than 
> 13. All the bugs would not have been fixed, but apparently a lot of them were 
> fixed and 13.1 which should have been 13. Rushing gets you nowhere fast.
> 
> 
> On the other hand, whether we like it or not, we who use voiceover are a very 
> very small set of users. And when they go to fix bugs, they’re going to fix 
> those which affect more people and are serious, like the battery drain thing 
> for instance. They’re going to do that before they fix our stuff. It sucks. 
> But it’s life when you’re a vanishingly small percentage of users. And since 
> this bug with voiceover disappearing is random and doesn’t affect everybody 
> using voiceover, maybe they actually haven’t been able to pin down the cause. 
> That doesn’t make them incompetent. Some people seem to think if things 
> aren’t perfect, it’s because the company is incompetent. I think those of you 
> who think that way should go and try to do it yourself and then you’ll find 
> out. Not so easy.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 27, 2019, at 2:00 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>> 
>> With all of this complaining about the many bugs in iOS 13, does
>> anyone recall the number of fixes after iOS 12 or iOS 11? It seems
>> like there were new software releases weekly for several months to
>> iron out all of the bugs and issues.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>>> On 9/27/19, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>>> They had to release IOS 13 when they did because they were also releasing
>>> new phones, and they had to have something to put on them.  I don't think
>>> you can blame Apple for everything. Some of the fault lies with the app
>>> developers who had adequate time to update their software and they just
>>> didn't do it for whatever reason.
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Larry Lumpkin" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 1:37 PM
>>> Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I can't imagine what their testing department is doing. I think it's
>>> horrible.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan
>>> 
>>> Lemly
>>> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 2:30 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out
>>> 
>>> Cristobal,
>>> 
>>> I'd have to agree. iOS 13.0 was released 9/19/19, iOS 13.1 was released
>>> 9/24/19, and now iOS 13.1.1 was released 9/27/19. I'm glad Apple is working
>>> 
>>> quickly to correct issues but I'd prefer they get the major issues resolved
>>> 
>>> before initial release. I'll bide my time a bit longer before upgradin

Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Mary Otten]

I don’t recall there being that much after iOS 12. iOS 12 was the slow down on 
the features and fix bugs release. It was one of the more solid releases out of 
the gate as I recall. 11 on the other hand, not so much. 

Regarding that bug with the phone calls and voiceover going silent. I 
understand that the easiest work around is to plug in a lightning cable. It 
doesn’t even have to have earbuds on it. Just one of those little lightning 
cables with something on the other end like an adapter like you get are used to 
get with iPhones. That’s not great. But it beats a showstopping loss of speech. 
I think the whole notion of having to release software because you have to 
release hardware is in sane. I know they all do it of course. But why not just 
well, put off the release of the hardware for a week or two? We’ve seen Apple 
put off iPhone releases before. Why not this time. They could have released the 
phone a week or two later and had it with iOS 13.1 rather than 13. All the bugs 
would not have been fixed, but apparently a lot of them were fixed and 13.1 
which should have been 13. Rushing gets you nowhere fast.


On the other hand, whether we like it or not, we who use voiceover are a very 
very small set of users. And when they go to fix bugs, they’re going to fix 
those which affect more people and are serious, like the battery drain thing 
for instance. They’re going to do that before they fix our stuff. It sucks. But 
it’s life when you’re a vanishingly small percentage of users. And since this 
bug with voiceover disappearing is random and doesn’t affect everybody using 
voiceover, maybe they actually haven’t been able to pin down the cause. That 
doesn’t make them incompetent. Some people seem to think if things aren’t 
perfect, it’s because the company is incompetent. I think those of you who 
think that way should go and try to do it yourself and then you’ll find out. 
Not so easy.



Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 27, 2019, at 2:00 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> 
> With all of this complaining about the many bugs in iOS 13, does
> anyone recall the number of fixes after iOS 12 or iOS 11? It seems
> like there were new software releases weekly for several months to
> iron out all of the bugs and issues.
> 
> Wayne
> 
>> On 9/27/19, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>> They had to release IOS 13 when they did because they were also releasing
>> new phones, and they had to have something to put on them.  I don't think
>> you can blame Apple for everything. Some of the fault lies with the app
>> developers who had adequate time to update their software and they just
>> didn't do it for whatever reason.
>> 
>> Andy
>> 
>> - Original Message -----
>> From: "Larry Lumpkin" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 1:37 PM
>> Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out
>> 
>> 
>> I can't imagine what their testing department is doing. I think it's
>> horrible.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan
>> 
>> Lemly
>> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 2:30 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out
>> 
>> Cristobal,
>> 
>> I'd have to agree. iOS 13.0 was released 9/19/19, iOS 13.1 was released
>> 9/24/19, and now iOS 13.1.1 was released 9/27/19. I'm glad Apple is working
>> 
>> quickly to correct issues but I'd prefer they get the major issues resolved
>> 
>> before initial release. I'll bide my time a bit longer before upgrading from
>> 
>> iOS 12.4.1.
>> 
>> Alan Lemly
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Cristobal Muñoz
>> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 12:52 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out
>> 
>> Man. This has been an especially sloppy iOS rollout.
>> I think I�m going to cool my jets and see what others say about any of those
>> 
>> VO bugs being fixed before I update from 12.4.X.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Gordon
>> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 10:47 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: IOS 13.1.1 is out
>> 
>> I'm not sure if this does much for us, but you can go get it now. It says
>> bug fixes.
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RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Mich Verrier]

Maybe they are smoking dope and not getting anything elts dun and maybe that is 
why it is horrible they thought of all these ideas wile under the influence of 
drugs. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Lumpkin
Sent: September 27, 2019 4:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

I can't imagine what their testing department is doing. I think it's horrible.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 2:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

Cristobal,

I'd have to agree. iOS 13.0 was released 9/19/19, iOS 13.1 was released 
9/24/19, and now iOS 13.1.1 was released 9/27/19. I'm glad Apple is working 
quickly to correct issues but I'd prefer they get the major issues resolved 
before initial release. I'll bide my time a bit longer before upgrading from 
iOS 12.4.1.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cristobal Muñoz
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 12:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

Man. This has been an especially sloppy iOS rollout.
I think I�m going to cool my jets and see what others say about any of those VO 
bugs being fixed before I update from 12.4.X.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gordon
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IOS 13.1.1 is out

I'm not sure if this does much for us, but you can go get it now. It says bug 
fixes.

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RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Cristobal Muñoz]

Ok... but that VoiceOver phone call bug that lots of folks are reporting has 
nothing to do with third party apps and is pretty major. I mean, it's not like 
Apple would've let that bug go live for 13.0 or 13.1 or 13.1.1 if the screen 
were going blank on sighted folks requiring a full device restart after random 
phone calls.
The majority of the bugs mentioned I think I could live with, but I'm on my 
phone all day for this and that. I can't chance having to deal with that 
specific VO bug on my phone after upgrading.
So wait I shall...


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 1:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

They had to release IOS 13 when they did because they were also releasing new 
phones, and they had to have something to put on them.  I don't think you can 
blame Apple for everything. Some of the fault lies with the app developers who 
had adequate time to update their software and they just didn't do it for 
whatever reason.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: "Larry Lumpkin" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 1:37 PM
Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out


I can't imagine what their testing department is doing. I think it's 
horrible.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 2:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

Cristobal,

I'd have to agree. iOS 13.0 was released 9/19/19, iOS 13.1 was released 
9/24/19, and now iOS 13.1.1 was released 9/27/19. I'm glad Apple is working 
quickly to correct issues but I'd prefer they get the major issues resolved 
before initial release. I'll bide my time a bit longer before upgrading from 
iOS 12.4.1.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Cristobal Muñoz
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 12:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

Man. This has been an especially sloppy iOS rollout.
I think I m going to cool my jets and see what others say about any of those 
VO bugs being fixed before I update from 12.4.X.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Gordon
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IOS 13.1.1 is out

I'm not sure if this does much for us, but you can go get it now. It says 
bug fixes.

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Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Wayne Merritt]

With all of this complaining about the many bugs in iOS 13, does
anyone recall the number of fixes after iOS 12 or iOS 11? It seems
like there were new software releases weekly for several months to
iron out all of the bugs and issues.

Wayne

On 9/27/19, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> They had to release IOS 13 when they did because they were also releasing
> new phones, and they had to have something to put on them.  I don't think
> you can blame Apple for everything. Some of the fault lies with the app
> developers who had adequate time to update their software and they just
> didn't do it for whatever reason.
>
> Andy
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Larry Lumpkin" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 1:37 PM
> Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out
>
>
> I can't imagine what their testing department is doing. I think it's
> horrible.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan
>
> Lemly
> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 2:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out
>
> Cristobal,
>
> I'd have to agree. iOS 13.0 was released 9/19/19, iOS 13.1 was released
> 9/24/19, and now iOS 13.1.1 was released 9/27/19. I'm glad Apple is working
>
> quickly to correct issues but I'd prefer they get the major issues resolved
>
> before initial release. I'll bide my time a bit longer before upgrading from
>
> iOS 12.4.1.
>
> Alan Lemly
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Cristobal Muñoz
> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 12:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out
>
> Man. This has been an especially sloppy iOS rollout.
> I think I�m going to cool my jets and see what others say about any of those
>
> VO bugs being fixed before I update from 12.4.X.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Gordon
> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 10:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: IOS 13.1.1 is out
>
> I'm not sure if this does much for us, but you can go get it now. It says
> bug fixes.
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Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Andy Baracco]

They had to release IOS 13 when they did because they were also releasing 
new phones, and they had to have something to put on them.  I don't think 
you can blame Apple for everything. Some of the fault lies with the app 
developers who had adequate time to update their software and they just 
didn't do it for whatever reason.


Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Lumpkin" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 1:37 PM
Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out


I can't imagine what their testing department is doing. I think it's 
horrible.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly

Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 2:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

Cristobal,

I'd have to agree. iOS 13.0 was released 9/19/19, iOS 13.1 was released 
9/24/19, and now iOS 13.1.1 was released 9/27/19. I'm glad Apple is working 
quickly to correct issues but I'd prefer they get the major issues resolved 
before initial release. I'll bide my time a bit longer before upgrading from 
iOS 12.4.1.


Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Cristobal Muñoz

Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 12:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

Man. This has been an especially sloppy iOS rollout.
I think I�m going to cool my jets and see what others say about any of those 
VO bugs being fixed before I update from 12.4.X.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Gordon

Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IOS 13.1.1 is out

I'm not sure if this does much for us, but you can go get it now. It says 
bug fixes.


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RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Larry Lumpkin]

I can't imagine what their testing department is doing. I think it's horrible.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 2:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

Cristobal,

I'd have to agree. iOS 13.0 was released 9/19/19, iOS 13.1 was released 
9/24/19, and now iOS 13.1.1 was released 9/27/19. I'm glad Apple is working 
quickly to correct issues but I'd prefer they get the major issues resolved 
before initial release. I'll bide my time a bit longer before upgrading from 
iOS 12.4.1.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cristobal Muñoz
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 12:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

Man. This has been an especially sloppy iOS rollout.
I think I�m going to cool my jets and see what others say about any of those VO 
bugs being fixed before I update from 12.4.X.


-Original Message-
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Subject: IOS 13.1.1 is out

I'm not sure if this does much for us, but you can go get it now. It says bug 
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Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Davy Cuppens]

Report to apple accessibility report till they get psycho!
I have just reported about the notification center which is a rediculous way of 
working!
Davy 

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 9:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

Well, if you were hoping this would solve third party keyboards like MBraille 
being silent with VoiceOver, it does not. 
I am writing this with MBraille, and I hear the lovely clicks, but no speech 
unless I turn off VoiceOver first and let MBraille self voice; which is a pain 
in the ...



Richard 

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  On Sep 27, 2019, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:


  From Mac Rumors web site;
  iOS and iPadOS 13.1.1 are minor update that focuses on bug fixes and 
performance improvements rather than major outward-facing changes. It addresses 
a
  third-party keyboard vulnerability, for example, which Apple 
  outlined earlier this week.
  According to Apple's release notes, the iOS 13.1.1 update addresses the 
following bugs:
  - Fixes issues that could prevent iPhone restoring from backup 
  - Addresses an issue that could cause battery to drain more quickly 
  - Fixes an issue that could impact recognition of 
  Siri
  requests on 
  iPhone 11,
  iPhone 11 Pro
  and 
  iPhone 11 Pro Max-
  Resolves a problem where Safari search suggestions may re-enable after 
turning them off 
  - Addresses an issue that could cause Reminders to sync slowly 
  - Fixes a security issue for third-party keyboard apps
  There are also separate release notes for the 
  iPad,
  but the update addresses the same issues: 
  - Fixes issues that could prevent iPad restoring from backup 
  - Addresses an issue that could cause battery to drain more quickly 
  - Resolves a problem where Safari search suggestions may re-enable after 
turning them off 
  - Addresses an issue that could cause Reminders to sync slowly 
  - Fixes a security issue for third-party keyboard apps


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  I'm not sure if this does much for us, but you can go get it now. It says bug 
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RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Alan Lemly]

Cristobal,

I'd have to agree. iOS 13.0 was released 9/19/19, iOS 13.1 was released 
9/24/19, and now iOS 13.1.1 was released 9/27/19. I'm glad Apple is working 
quickly to correct issues but I'd prefer they get the major issues resolved 
before initial release. I'll bide my time a bit longer before upgrading from 
iOS 12.4.1.

Alan Lemly

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Cristobal Muñoz
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 12:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

Man. This has been an especially sloppy iOS rollout.
I think I�m going to cool my jets and see what others say about any of those VO 
bugs being fixed before I update from 12.4.X.


-Original Message-
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Subject: IOS 13.1.1 is out

I'm not sure if this does much for us, but you can go get it now. It says bug 
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Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Richard Turner]

Well, if you were hoping this would solve third party keyboards like MBraille 
being silent with VoiceOver, it does not.
I am writing this with MBraille, and I hear the lovely clicks, but no speech 
unless I turn off VoiceOver first and let MBraille self voice; which is a pain 
in the ...


Richard

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On Sep 27, 2019, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:

From Mac Rumors web site;
iOS and iPadOS 13.1.1 are minor update that focuses on bug fixes and 
performance improvements rather than major outward-facing changes. It addresses 
a
third-party keyboard vulnerability, for example, which Apple
outlined earlier this week.
According to Apple's release notes, the iOS 13.1.1 update addresses the 
following bugs:
- Fixes issues that could prevent iPhone restoring from backup
- Addresses an issue that could cause battery to drain more quickly
- Fixes an issue that could impact recognition of
Siri
requests on
iPhone 11,
iPhone 11 Pro
and
iPhone 11 Pro Max-
Resolves a problem where Safari search suggestions may re-enable after turning 
them off
- Addresses an issue that could cause Reminders to sync slowly
- Fixes a security issue for third-party keyboard apps
There are also separate release notes for the
iPad,
but the update addresses the same issues:
- Fixes issues that could prevent iPad restoring from backup
- Addresses an issue that could cause battery to drain more quickly
- Resolves a problem where Safari search suggestions may re-enable after 
turning them off
- Addresses an issue that could cause Reminders to sync slowly
- Fixes a security issue for third-party keyboard apps


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I'm not sure if this does much for us, but you can go get it now. It says bug 
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Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[stewart]

that is what happens when you try to?? fix a huge number of issues with 
one big dump.?? more problems arise than are worth it.


On 9/27/2019 1:51 PM, Cristobal Mu??oz wrote:

Man. This has been an especially sloppy iOS rollout.
I think I???m going to cool my jets and see what others say about any of those 
VO bugs being fixed before I update from 12.4.X.


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I'm not sure if this does much for us, but you can go get it now. It says bug 
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RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Richard Turner]

>From Mac Rumors web site;
iOS and iPadOS 13.1.1 are minor update that focuses on bug fixes and 
performance improvements rather than major outward-facing changes. It addresses 
a
third-party keyboard vulnerability, for example, which Apple 
outlined earlier this week.
According to Apple's release notes, the iOS 13.1.1 update addresses the 
following bugs:
- Fixes issues that could prevent iPhone restoring from backup 
- Addresses an issue that could cause battery to drain more quickly 
- Fixes an issue that could impact recognition of 
Siri
 requests on 
iPhone 11,
iPhone 11 Pro
 and 
iPhone 11 Pro Max-
Resolves a problem where Safari search suggestions may re-enable after turning 
them off 
- Addresses an issue that could cause Reminders to sync slowly 
- Fixes a security issue for third-party keyboard apps
There are also separate release notes for the 
iPad,
but the update addresses the same issues: 
- Fixes issues that could prevent iPad restoring from backup 
- Addresses an issue that could cause battery to drain more quickly 
- Resolves a problem where Safari search suggestions may re-enable after 
turning them off 
- Addresses an issue that could cause Reminders to sync slowly 
- Fixes a security issue for third-party keyboard apps


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I'm not sure if this does much for us, but you can go get it now. It says bug 
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Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Holly]

Chris:

I am going to hold off for awhile also.  No rush.

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RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Cristobal Muñoz]

Man. This has been an especially sloppy iOS rollout.
I think I’m going to cool my jets and see what others say about any of those VO 
bugs being fixed before I update from 12.4.X.


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Subject: IOS 13.1.1 is out

I'm not sure if this does much for us, but you can go get it now. It says bug 
fixes.

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