Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'm not following. How does the privacy model of one company or the 
other affect their virtual digital assistant and their voice 
recognition, ability to launch apps and interact with your personal 
information? I'm not saying there's no impact, and it's probably just my 
lack of imagination, but I'm not seeing the relationship, so I'm 
wondering what I'm missing. I'm interested and curious to learn more here.



On 18/06/17 12:51, Mary Otten wrote:
Some of the problems with Siri have to do with privacy, and apples 
insistence on it, where as Google is quite the opposite. So there are 
some trade-offs here. I do also wish that Siri would become better, 
but not at the expense of my data going to any Tom Dick and Harry who 
wants to buy it from Google or Google using it for their own purposes, 
which are all about advertising. We need a happy medium here we're 
privacy is first, but robust AI is also possible. I'm hoping that's 
what all these new hires will do for Apple


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 18, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca 
<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:


I know that they are reporting this just as they are reporting how 
Apple has and is hiring experts in autonomous/self-driving car 
technology. As far as SIRI goes, however, I want them to show that 
they are making some progress, it just seem sso ignorant that they 
are just not really improving SIRI but they of course know that is 
what everybody wants.


*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Chao

*Sent:* Saturday, June 17, 2017 10:35 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

Has already happend and will continue too...Apple has doubled-down on 
artificial intelligence/machine learning: they’ve acquired and 
continue to lots of talent in this domain.


On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:59 PM Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca 
<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:


Great idea, let’s tell Apple to fire SIRI and hire the Google
Assistant away from Google, after all, it’s not the first time
Apple hired away talent from Google or other companies.

.

*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Chao
*Sent:* Saturday, June 17, 2017 9:12 PM


*To:* Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com
    <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
*Subject:* Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

I’m surprised to see so much attention devoted towards the more
expressive Siri voices. I view it as a nice touch to the
presnetaiton layer, but the structure and interaction,
specifically with understanding, context, and meaningful
intelligence has a lot to be desired. The only advantage Siri has
is that it was first, but all other voice-based assistants are
smarter, helpful, and useful. However, to be fair, even the best
of the “Assistants” today would not last as a human Assistant in
a job. We’ve been promised a bright future with the voice user
interfaces, but a lot more resources and time needs to be
realized before the “Year Million” is our reality.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:59 PM christopher hallsworth
<challswor...@icloud.com <mailto:challswor...@icloud.com>> wrote:

No, just the public beta software program.
> On 14 Jun 2017, at 22:26, Sieghard Weitzel
<siegh...@live.ca <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
>
> Did you seriously pay money to sign up for a developer
account? In two or at the most 3 weeks you could get the
first public beta for free.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of christopher
hallsworth
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 12:42 PM
    > To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
>
> And I'm not, *yet*. All I will say is, I have just signed up.
>> On 13 Jun 2017, at 18:11, Jenifer Barr
<claudas...@gmail.com <mailto:claudas...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ming.
>> Even if this is true people beta testing IOS 11 cannot
discuss. I am not one of them that's why I'm replying.
>> Have a great day.
>> Jen
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 13, 2017, at 3:29 AM, 'Ming' via VIPhone
<viphone@googl

Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Christopher Chaltain]

My sighted wife wasn't much of a SIRI user, but she just got a new car 
with CarPlay support. She's still getting used to it, but I hear her 
using SIRI now to get driving directions, listen to her text messages, 
play music and call or text people.



On 18/06/17 14:59, Mike Ulrich wrote:


I actually personally know of many of the sightling variety that 
constantly use siri. Heck, even Rush Limbaugh uses Siri too.


Just imagine you have to drive from point A to point B. I’m talking a 
major road trip; 500 miles +. Those Sightlings can just hit the home 
button and say; Siri, where can I find a place for breakfast; 
providing you have Location Services turned on, and bingo; you know 
where to head to. Siri will even ask you if you want driving 
directions to her suggestions for breakfast joints. Or she’ll ask you 
if you want to call them.


If I hadn’t gone blind, I’d call that hands free assistance. Plus way 
big time cool too!


Siri benefits everyone, and that’s a nice comforting fact.

See what I’m saying?

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
Behalf Of *Mr. Ed

*Sent:* Sunday, June 18, 2017 2:45 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

Hi Sieghard,

I have been thinking about what you have been saying about Siri. I 
know I agree with you that I wish Apple would make it do more. But I 
am wondering in the scheme of things I wonder how many sighted people 
use Siri like the visually impaired do. I know my wife does not use 
Siri and I cannot think of one sighted person I know ever use it. So I 
am thinking Apple does not improve Siri just for the blind and they 
don’t get much input from the sighted users, so that is why I am 
thinking they don’t improve it. Just my thought on this.


Mr. Ed

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel

*Sent:* Sunday, June 18, 2017 12:39 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

I know that they are reporting this just as they are reporting how 
Apple has and is hiring experts in autonomous/self-driving car 
technology. As far as SIRI goes, however, I want them to show that 
they are making some progress, it just seem sso ignorant that they are 
just not really improving SIRI but they of course know that is what 
everybody wants.


*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Chao

*Sent:* Saturday, June 17, 2017 10:35 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

Has already happend and will continue too...Apple has doubled-down on 
artificial intelligence/machine learning: they’ve acquired and 
continue to lots of talent in this domain.


On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:59 PM Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca 
<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:


Great idea, let’s tell Apple to fire SIRI and hire the Google
Assistant away from Google, after all, it’s not the first time
Apple hired away talent from Google or other companies.

.

*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Chao
*Sent:* Saturday, June 17, 2017 9:12 PM


*To:* Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com
    <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
*Subject:* Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

I’m surprised to see so much attention devoted towards the more
expressive Siri voices. I view it as a nice touch to the
presnetaiton layer, but the structure and interaction,
specifically with understanding, context, and meaningful
intelligence has a lot to be desired. The only advantage Siri has
is that it was first, but all other voice-based assistants are
smarter, helpful, and useful. However, to be fair, even the best
of the “Assistants” today would not last as a human Assistant in a
job. We’ve been promised a bright future with the voice user
interfaces, but a lot more resources and time needs to be realized
before the “Year Million” is our reality.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:59 PM christopher hallsworth
<challswor...@icloud.com <mailto:challswor...@icloud.com>> wrote:

No, just the public beta software program.
> On 14 Jun 2017, at 22:26, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca
<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
>
> Did you seriously pay money to sign up for a developer
account? In two or at the most 3 weeks you could get the first
public beta for free.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:vip

RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Wayne Scott]

I know a few sighted people who use Siri, but not like we do.  
So, you may have a point there.


- Original Message -
From: "Mr.  Ed" <pink...@abe.midco.net
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 13:44:36 -0500
Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

Hi Sieghard,

I have been thinking about what you have been saying about Siri.  
I know I agree with you that I wish Apple would make it do more.  
But I am wondering in the scheme of things I wonder how many 
sighted people use Siri like the visually impaired do.  I know my 
wife does not use Siri and I cannot think of one sighted person I 
know ever use it.  So I am thinking Apple does not improve Siri 
just for the blind and they don’t get much input from the 
sighted users, so that is why I am thinking they don’t improve 
it.  Just my thought on this.


Mr.  Ed



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 12:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11



I know that they are reporting this just as they are reporting 
how Apple has and is hiring experts in autonomous/self-driving 
car technology.  As far as SIRI goes, however, I want them to 
show that they are making some progress, it just seem sso 
ignorant that they are just not really improving SIRI but they of 
course know that is what everybody wants.






From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kevin Chao

Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 10:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11



Has already happend and will continue too...Apple has 
doubled-down on artificial intelligence/machine learning: 
they’ve acquired and continue to lots of talent in this domain.


On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:59 PM Sieghard Weitzel 
<siegh...@live.ca> wrote:


Great idea, let’s tell Apple to fire SIRI and hire the Google 
Assistant away from Google, after all, it’s not the first time 
Apple hired away talent from Google or other companies.


.





From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kevin Chao

Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 9:12 PM


To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11



I’m surprised to see so much attention devoted towards the more 
expressive Siri voices.  I view it as a nice touch to the 
presnetaiton layer, but the structure and interaction, 
specifically with understanding, context, and meaningful 
intelligence has a lot to be desired.  The only advantage Siri 
has is that it was first, but all other voice-based assistants 
are smarter, helpful, and useful.  However, to be fair, even the 
best of the “Assistants” today would not last as a human 
Assistant in a job.  We’ve been promised a bright future with 
the voice user interfaces, but a lot more resources and time 
needs to be realized before the “Year Million” is our 
reality.


On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:59 PM christopher hallsworth 
<challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:


No, just the public beta software program.
On 14 Jun 2017, at 22:26, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> 
wrote:


Did you seriously pay money to sign up for a developer account? 
In two or at the most 3 weeks you could get the first public beta 
for free.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth

Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 12:42 PM
To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

And I'm not, *yet*.  All I will say is, I have just signed up.
On 13 Jun 2017, at 18:11, Jenifer Barr <claudas...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


Hi Ming.
Even if this is true people beta testing IOS 11 cannot discuss.  
I am not one of them that's why I'm replying.

Have a great day.
Jen


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 13, 2017, at 3:29 AM, 'Ming' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:


hi all!
anyone know that in IOS 11 it has some new siri voices.
does the voices also can work in voice over as well?


thanks!
Ming

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Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Mary Otten]

This is an actually the Google assistant. It is the Google app that comes 
standard on most android devices that are not the latest and greatest. Although 
Google assistant is rolling out to more devices now, I still don't have it, so 
I'm still using regular Google. One other thing that Google does and also 
Google assistant is put ads on the screen that comes up after you've asked for 
something. That is also annoying. I hope Apple never does this and I doubt they 
will.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 18, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Interesting to hear that the Google Assistant has its flaws as well.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 12:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
>  
> You know, one of the very simplest things that Siri always gets right is 
> opening an app when I Hasket too. Google doesn't. More often than not on my 
> android device, when I ask Google to open an app I get a stupid screen I have 
> to then tap on the instructions it says open this app. Google is really smart 
> about a lot of things, so why can't it yet opening apps right?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 18, 2017, at 12:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> You are very wrong here, Ed, just because your wife doesn’t use it and maybe 
> a few other people you know does not mean sighted people don’t use SIRI. I 
> think you would need a somewhat larger statistical sample to draw an accurate 
> conclusion as to how many sighted people use SIRI. If people would not use 
> SIRI that would mean also Android users would not use Google Assistant or 
> Windows users would not use Cortana. If this was so companies like Amazon or 
> Google and now Microsoft would not spend so much time and effort in 
> developing these digital assistants and in coming up with smartspeakers and 
> what have you. How many millions of people in the US have bought the Echo or 
> the Google Home, voice is the only way you can really interact with these 
> things so obviously people must do it.
> I just think Apple is typical Apple here, they do things in their own way and 
> time and don’t really care what people say. Look how long it took them to 
> announce a speaker, now they have and they are not trying to make  it sound 
> like it goes right up against the Echo or Google Home, but they position it 
> as an audio file speaker which is also smart and once they do in fact make 
> SIRI a lot smarter which they will in their own time it will become more 
> popular.
> Voice interface is definitely the up and coming thing and everybody does it 
> and in time even people who currently may not use it will do so in a few 
> years.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mr. Ed
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 11:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11
>  
> Hi Sieghard,
> I have been thinking about what you have been saying about Siri. I know I 
> agree with you that I wish Apple would make it do more. But I am wondering in 
> the scheme of things I wonder how many sighted people use Siri like the 
> visually impaired do. I know my wife does not use Siri and I cannot think of 
> one sighted person I know ever use it. So I am thinking Apple does not 
> improve Siri just for the blind and they don’t get much input from the 
> sighted users, so that is why I am thinking they don’t improve it. Just my 
> thought on this.
> Mr. Ed
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 12:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11
>  
> I know that they are reporting this just as they are reporting how Apple has 
> and is hiring experts in autonomous/self-driving car technology. As far as 
> SIRI goes, however, I want them to show that they are making some progress, 
> it just seem sso ignorant that they are just not really improving SIRI but 
> they of course know that is what everybody wants.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kevin Chao
> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 10:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
>  
> Has already happend and will continue too...Apple has doubled-down on 
> artificial intelligence/machine learning: they’ve acquired and continue to 
> lots of talent in this domain.
> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:59 PM Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wr

RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Mike Ulrich]

I actually personally know of many of the sightling variety that constantly use 
siri. Heck, even Rush Limbaugh uses Siri too.

Just imagine you have to drive from point A to point B. I’m talking a major 
road trip; 500 miles +. Those Sightlings can just hit the home button and say; 
Siri, where can I find a place for breakfast; providing you have Location 
Services turned on, and bingo; you know where to head to. Siri will even ask 
you if you want driving directions to her suggestions for breakfast joints. Or 
she’ll ask you if you want to call them.

If I hadn’t gone blind, I’d call that hands free assistance. Plus way big time 
cool too!

 

Siri benefits everyone, and that’s a nice comforting fact.

See what I’m saying?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 2:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

 

Hi Sieghard,

I have been thinking about what you have been saying about Siri. I know I agree 
with you that I wish Apple would make it do more. But I am wondering in the 
scheme of things I wonder how many sighted people use Siri like the visually 
impaired do. I know my wife does not use Siri and I cannot think of one sighted 
person I know ever use it. So I am thinking Apple does not improve Siri just 
for the blind and they don’t get much input from the sighted users, so that is 
why I am thinking they don’t improve it. Just my thought on this. 

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 12:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

 

I know that they are reporting this just as they are reporting how Apple has 
and is hiring experts in autonomous/self-driving car technology. As far as SIRI 
goes, however, I want them to show that they are making some progress, it just 
seem sso ignorant that they are just not really improving SIRI but they of 
course know that is what everybody wants.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 10:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

 

Has already happend and will continue too...Apple has doubled-down on 
artificial intelligence/machine learning: they’ve acquired and continue to lots 
of talent in this domain.

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:59 PM Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

Great idea, let’s tell Apple to fire SIRI and hire the Google Assistant away 
from Google, after all, it’s not the first time Apple hired away talent from 
Google or other companies.

.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 9:12 PM


To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

 

I’m surprised to see so much attention devoted towards the more expressive Siri 
voices. I view it as a nice touch to the presnetaiton layer, but the structure 
and interaction, specifically with understanding, context, and meaningful 
intelligence has a lot to be desired. The only advantage Siri has is that it 
was first, but all other voice-based assistants are smarter, helpful, and 
useful. However, to be fair, even the best of the “Assistants” today would not 
last as a human Assistant in a job. We’ve been promised a bright future with 
the voice user interfaces, but a lot more resources and time needs to be 
realized before the “Year Million” is our reality.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:59 PM christopher hallsworth 
<challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:

No, just the public beta software program.
> On 14 Jun 2017, at 22:26, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>
> Did you seriously pay money to sign up for a developer account? In two or at 
> the most 3 weeks you could get the first public beta for free.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 12:42 PM
> To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
>
> And I'm not, *yet*. All I will say is, I have just signed up.
>> On 13 Jun 2017, at 18:11, Jenifer Barr <claudas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ming.
>> Even if this is true people beta testing IOS 11 cannot discuss. I am not one 
>> of them that's why I'm replying.
>> Have a great day.
>> Jen
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 13, 2017, at 3:29 AM, 'Ming' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> hi all!
>>> anyone know that in IOS 11 it has some new siri voices.
>>> does the voices also can work in voice over as well?
>>>
>>>

RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Interesting to hear that the Google Assistant has its flaws as well.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 12:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

You know, one of the very simplest things that Siri always gets right is 
opening an app when I Hasket too. Google doesn't. More often than not on my 
android device, when I ask Google to open an app I get a stupid screen I have 
to then tap on the instructions it says open this app. Google is really smart 
about a lot of things, so why can't it yet opening apps right?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 18, 2017, at 12:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
<siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
You are very wrong here, Ed, just because your wife doesn’t use it and maybe a 
few other people you know does not mean sighted people don’t use SIRI. I think 
you would need a somewhat larger statistical sample to draw an accurate 
conclusion as to how many sighted people use SIRI. If people would not use SIRI 
that would mean also Android users would not use Google Assistant or Windows 
users would not use Cortana. If this was so companies like Amazon or Google and 
now Microsoft would not spend so much time and effort in developing these 
digital assistants and in coming up with smartspeakers and what have you. How 
many millions of people in the US have bought the Echo or the Google Home, 
voice is the only way you can really interact with these things so obviously 
people must do it.
I just think Apple is typical Apple here, they do things in their own way and 
time and don’t really care what people say. Look how long it took them to 
announce a speaker, now they have and they are not trying to make it sound like 
it goes right up against the Echo or Google Home, but they position it as an 
audio file speaker which is also smart and once they do in fact make SIRI a lot 
smarter which they will in their own time it will become more popular.
Voice interface is definitely the up and coming thing and everybody does it and 
in time even people who currently may not use it will do so in a few years.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 11:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

Hi Sieghard,
I have been thinking about what you have been saying about Siri. I know I agree 
with you that I wish Apple would make it do more. But I am wondering in the 
scheme of things I wonder how many sighted people use Siri like the visually 
impaired do. I know my wife does not use Siri and I cannot think of one sighted 
person I know ever use it. So I am thinking Apple does not improve Siri just 
for the blind and they don’t get much input from the sighted users, so that is 
why I am thinking they don’t improve it. Just my thought on this.
Mr. Ed

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 12:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

I know that they are reporting this just as they are reporting how Apple has 
and is hiring experts in autonomous/self-driving car technology. As far as SIRI 
goes, however, I want them to show that they are making some progress, it just 
seem sso ignorant that they are just not really improving SIRI but they of 
course know that is what everybody wants.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 10:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

Has already happend and will continue too...Apple has doubled-down on 
artificial intelligence/machine learning: they’ve acquired and continue to lots 
of talent in this domain.
On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:59 PM Sieghard Weitzel 
<siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Great idea, let’s tell Apple to fire SIRI and hire the Google Assistant away 
from Google, after all, it’s not the first time Apple hired away talent from 
Google or other companies.
.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 9:12 PM

To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

I’m surprised to see so much attention devoted towards the more expressive Siri 
voices. I view it as a nice touch to the presnetaiton layer, but the structure 
and interaction, specifically with understanding, contex

Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Mary Otten]

You know, one of the very simplest things that Siri always gets right is 
opening an app when I Hasket too. Google doesn't. More often than not on my 
android device, when I ask Google to open an app I get a stupid screen I have 
to then tap on the instructions it says open this app. Google is really smart 
about a lot of things, so why can't it yet opening apps right?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 18, 2017, at 12:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> You are very wrong here, Ed, just because your wife doesn’t use it and maybe 
> a few other people you know does not mean sighted people don’t use SIRI. I 
> think you would need a somewhat larger statistical sample to draw an accurate 
> conclusion as to how many sighted people use SIRI. If people would not use 
> SIRI that would mean also Android users would not use Google Assistant or 
> Windows users would not use Cortana. If this was so companies like Amazon or 
> Google and now Microsoft would not spend so much time and effort in 
> developing these digital assistants and in coming up with smartspeakers and 
> what have you. How many millions of people in the US have bought the Echo or 
> the Google Home, voice is the only way you can really interact with these 
> things so obviously people must do it. 
> I just think Apple is typical Apple here, they do things in their own way and 
> time and don’t really care what people say. Look how long it took them to 
> announce a speaker, now they have and they are not trying to make it sound 
> like it goes right up against the Echo or Google Home, but they position it 
> as an audio file speaker which is also smart and once they do in fact make 
> SIRI a lot smarter which they will in their own time it will become more 
> popular.
> Voice interface is definitely the up and coming thing and everybody does it 
> and in time even people who currently may not use it will do so in a few 
> years.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mr. Ed
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 11:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11
>  
> Hi Sieghard,
> I have been thinking about what you have been saying about Siri. I know I 
> agree with you that I wish Apple would make it do more. But I am wondering in 
> the scheme of things I wonder how many sighted people use Siri like the 
> visually impaired do. I know my wife does not use Siri and I cannot think of 
> one sighted person I know ever use it. So I am thinking Apple does not 
> improve Siri just for the blind and they don’t get much input from the 
> sighted users, so that is why I am thinking they don’t improve it. Just my 
> thought on this.
> Mr. Ed
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 12:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11
>  
> I know that they are reporting this just as they are reporting how Apple has 
> and is hiring experts in autonomous/self-driving car technology. As far as 
> SIRI goes, however, I want them to show that they are making some progress, 
> it just seem sso ignorant that they are just not really improving SIRI but 
> they of course know that is what everybody wants.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kevin Chao
> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 10:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
>  
> Has already happend and will continue too...Apple has doubled-down on 
> artificial intelligence/machine learning: they’ve acquired and continue to 
> lots of talent in this domain.
> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:59 PM Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> Great idea, let’s tell Apple to fire SIRI and hire the Google Assistant away 
> from Google, after all, it’s not the first time Apple hired away talent from 
> Google or other companies.
> .
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kevin Chao
> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 9:12 PM
> 
> To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
>  
> I’m surprised to see so much attention devoted towards the more expressive 
> Siri voices. I view it as a nice touch to the presnetaiton layer, but the 
> structure and interaction, specifically with understanding, context, and 
> meaningful intelligence has a lot to be desired. The only advantage Siri has 
> is that it was first, but all other voice-based assistants are smarter, 
> helpful, and useful. However, to be fair, even the best of the “Assistan

RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Sieghard,

You could be right. I am not disagreeing with you. I can see your point very 
clear.

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

 

You are very wrong here, Ed, just because your wife doesn’t use it and maybe a 
few other people you know does not mean sighted people don’t use SIRI. I think 
you would need a somewhat larger statistical sample to draw an accurate 
conclusion as to how many sighted people use SIRI. If people would not use SIRI 
that would mean also Android users would not use Google Assistant or Windows 
users would not use Cortana. If this was so companies like Amazon or Google and 
now Microsoft would not spend so much time and effort in developing these 
digital assistants and in coming up with smartspeakers and what have you. How 
many millions of people in the US have bought the Echo or the Google Home, 
voice is the only way you can really interact with these things so obviously 
people must do it. 

I just think Apple is typical Apple here, they do things in their own way and 
time and don’t really care what people say. Look how long it took them to 
announce a speaker, now they have and they are not trying to make it sound like 
it goes right up against the Echo or Google Home, but they position it as an 
audio file speaker which is also smart and once they do in fact make SIRI a lot 
smarter which they will in their own time it will become more popular.

Voice interface is definitely the up and coming thing and everybody does it and 
in time even people who currently may not use it will do so in a few years.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 11:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

 

Hi Sieghard,

I have been thinking about what you have been saying about Siri. I know I agree 
with you that I wish Apple would make it do more. But I am wondering in the 
scheme of things I wonder how many sighted people use Siri like the visually 
impaired do. I know my wife does not use Siri and I cannot think of one sighted 
person I know ever use it. So I am thinking Apple does not improve Siri just 
for the blind and they don’t get much input from the sighted users, so that is 
why I am thinking they don’t improve it. Just my thought on this. 

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 12:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

 

I know that they are reporting this just as they are reporting how Apple has 
and is hiring experts in autonomous/self-driving car technology. As far as SIRI 
goes, however, I want them to show that they are making some progress, it just 
seem sso ignorant that they are just not really improving SIRI but they of 
course know that is what everybody wants.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 10:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

 

Has already happend and will continue too...Apple has doubled-down on 
artificial intelligence/machine learning: they’ve acquired and continue to lots 
of talent in this domain.

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:59 PM Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

Great idea, let’s tell Apple to fire SIRI and hire the Google Assistant away 
from Google, after all, it’s not the first time Apple hired away talent from 
Google or other companies.

.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 9:12 PM


To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

 

I’m surprised to see so much attention devoted towards the more expressive Siri 
voices. I view it as a nice touch to the presnetaiton layer, but the structure 
and interaction, specifically with understanding, context, and meaningful 
intelligence has a lot to be desired. The only advantage Siri has is that it 
was first, but all other voice-based assistants are smarter, helpful, and 
useful. However, to be fair, even the best of the “Assistants” today would not 
last as a human Assistant in a job. We’ve been promised a bright future with 
the voice user interfaces, but a lot more resources and time needs to be 
realized before the “Year Million” is our reality.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:59 PM christopher hallsworth 
<challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:

No, just the public beta software program.
> On 14 Jun 2017, at 22:26, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>
> Did you seriously pay money to sign up for a developer account? In two or at 
> the most 3 weeks you coul

RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You are very wrong here, Ed, just because your wife doesn’t use it and maybe a 
few other people you know does not mean sighted people don’t use SIRI. I think 
you would need a somewhat larger statistical sample to draw an accurate 
conclusion as to how many sighted people use SIRI. If people would not use SIRI 
that would mean also Android users would not use Google Assistant or Windows 
users would not use Cortana. If this was so companies like Amazon or Google and 
now Microsoft would not spend so much time and effort in developing these 
digital assistants and in coming up with smartspeakers and what have you. How 
many millions of people in the US have bought the Echo or the Google Home, 
voice is the only way you can really interact with these things so obviously 
people must do it.
I just think Apple is typical Apple here, they do things in their own way and 
time and don’t really care what people say. Look how long it took them to 
announce a speaker, now they have and they are not trying to make it sound like 
it goes right up against the Echo or Google Home, but they position it as an 
audio file speaker which is also smart and once they do in fact make SIRI a lot 
smarter which they will in their own time it will become more popular.
Voice interface is definitely the up and coming thing and everybody does it and 
in time even people who currently may not use it will do so in a few years.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 11:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

Hi Sieghard,
I have been thinking about what you have been saying about Siri. I know I agree 
with you that I wish Apple would make it do more. But I am wondering in the 
scheme of things I wonder how many sighted people use Siri like the visually 
impaired do. I know my wife does not use Siri and I cannot think of one sighted 
person I know ever use it. So I am thinking Apple does not improve Siri just 
for the blind and they don’t get much input from the sighted users, so that is 
why I am thinking they don’t improve it. Just my thought on this.
Mr. Ed

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 12:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

I know that they are reporting this just as they are reporting how Apple has 
and is hiring experts in autonomous/self-driving car technology. As far as SIRI 
goes, however, I want them to show that they are making some progress, it just 
seem sso ignorant that they are just not really improving SIRI but they of 
course know that is what everybody wants.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 10:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

Has already happend and will continue too...Apple has doubled-down on 
artificial intelligence/machine learning: they’ve acquired and continue to lots 
of talent in this domain.
On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:59 PM Sieghard Weitzel 
<siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Great idea, let’s tell Apple to fire SIRI and hire the Google Assistant away 
from Google, after all, it’s not the first time Apple hired away talent from 
Google or other companies.
.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 9:12 PM

To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

I’m surprised to see so much attention devoted towards the more expressive Siri 
voices. I view it as a nice touch to the presnetaiton layer, but the structure 
and interaction, specifically with understanding, context, and meaningful 
intelligence has a lot to be desired. The only advantage Siri has is that it 
was first, but all other voice-based assistants are smarter, helpful, and 
useful. However, to be fair, even the best of the “Assistants” today would not 
last as a human Assistant in a job. We’ve been promised a bright future with 
the voice user interfaces, but a lot more resources and time needs to be 
realized before the “Year Million” is our reality.
On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:59 PM christopher hallsworth 
<challswor...@icloud.com<mailto:challswor...@icloud.com>> wrote:
No, just the public beta software program.
> On 14 Jun 2017, at 22:26, Sieghard Weitzel 
> <siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
>
> Did you seriously pay money to sign up for a developer account? In two or at 
> the most 3

RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Sieghard,

I have been thinking about what you have been saying about Siri. I know I agree 
with you that I wish Apple would make it do more. But I am wondering in the 
scheme of things I wonder how many sighted people use Siri like the visually 
impaired do. I know my wife does not use Siri and I cannot think of one sighted 
person I know ever use it. So I am thinking Apple does not improve Siri just 
for the blind and they don’t get much input from the sighted users, so that is 
why I am thinking they don’t improve it. Just my thought on this. 

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 12:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

 

I know that they are reporting this just as they are reporting how Apple has 
and is hiring experts in autonomous/self-driving car technology. As far as SIRI 
goes, however, I want them to show that they are making some progress, it just 
seem sso ignorant that they are just not really improving SIRI but they of 
course know that is what everybody wants.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 10:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

 

Has already happend and will continue too...Apple has doubled-down on 
artificial intelligence/machine learning: they’ve acquired and continue to lots 
of talent in this domain.

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:59 PM Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

Great idea, let’s tell Apple to fire SIRI and hire the Google Assistant away 
from Google, after all, it’s not the first time Apple hired away talent from 
Google or other companies.

.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 9:12 PM


To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

 

I’m surprised to see so much attention devoted towards the more expressive Siri 
voices. I view it as a nice touch to the presnetaiton layer, but the structure 
and interaction, specifically with understanding, context, and meaningful 
intelligence has a lot to be desired. The only advantage Siri has is that it 
was first, but all other voice-based assistants are smarter, helpful, and 
useful. However, to be fair, even the best of the “Assistants” today would not 
last as a human Assistant in a job. We’ve been promised a bright future with 
the voice user interfaces, but a lot more resources and time needs to be 
realized before the “Year Million” is our reality.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:59 PM christopher hallsworth 
<challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:

No, just the public beta software program.
> On 14 Jun 2017, at 22:26, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>
> Did you seriously pay money to sign up for a developer account? In two or at 
> the most 3 weeks you could get the first public beta for free.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 12:42 PM
> To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
>
> And I'm not, *yet*. All I will say is, I have just signed up.
>> On 13 Jun 2017, at 18:11, Jenifer Barr <claudas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ming.
>> Even if this is true people beta testing IOS 11 cannot discuss. I am not one 
>> of them that's why I'm replying.
>> Have a great day.
>> Jen
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 13, 2017, at 3:29 AM, 'Ming' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> hi all!
>>> anyone know that in IOS 11 it has some new siri voices.
>>> does the voices also can work in voice over as well?
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks!
>>> Ming
>>>
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>>> chung_chiming_2...@hotmail.com
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Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Harry Bell]

I suspect that Apple's very private Siri will improve a lot when they manage to 
put a lot of Siri's language recognition on a chip integrated into our iPhones. 
I do hear that work is underway on this. But tediously underperforming 
meanwhile!
Harry

> On 18 Jun 2017, at 18:51, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Some of the problems with Siri have to do with privacy, and apples insistence 
> on it, where as Google is quite the opposite. So there are some trade-offs 
> here. I do also wish that Siri would become better, but not at the expense of 
> my data going to any Tom Dick and Harry who wants to buy it from Google or 
> Google using it for their own purposes, which are all about advertising. We 
> need a happy medium here we're privacy is first, but robust AI is also 
> possible. I'm hoping that's what all these new hires will do for Apple
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> I know that they are reporting this just as they are reporting how Apple has 
>> and is hiring experts in autonomous/self-driving car technology. As far as 
>> SIRI goes, however, I want them to show that they are making some progress, 
>> it just seem sso ignorant that they are just not really improving SIRI but 
>> they of course know that is what everybody wants.
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Kevin Chao
>> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 10:35 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
>>  
>> Has already happend and will continue too...Apple has doubled-down on 
>> artificial intelligence/machine learning: they’ve acquired and continue to 
>> lots of talent in this domain.
>> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:59 PM Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>> Great idea, let’s tell Apple to fire SIRI and hire the Google Assistant away 
>> from Google, after all, it’s not the first time Apple hired away talent from 
>> Google or other companies.
>> .
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Kevin Chao
>> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 9:12 PM
>> 
>> To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
>>  
>> I’m surprised to see so much attention devoted towards the more expressive 
>> Siri voices. I view it as a nice touch to the presnetaiton layer, but the 
>> structure and interaction, specifically with understanding, context, and 
>> meaningful intelligence has a lot to be desired. The only advantage Siri has 
>> is that it was first, but all other voice-based assistants are smarter, 
>> helpful, and useful. However, to be fair, even the best of the “Assistants” 
>> today would not last as a human Assistant in a job. We’ve been promised a 
>> bright future with the voice user interfaces, but a lot more resources and 
>> time needs to be realized before the “Year Million” is our reality.
>> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:59 PM christopher hallsworth 
>> <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> No, just the public beta software program.
>> > On 14 Jun 2017, at 22:26, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> > Did you seriously pay money to sign up for a developer account? In two or 
>> > at the most 3 weeks you could get the first public beta for free.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> > Of christopher hallsworth
>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 12:42 PM
>> > To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> > Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
>> >
>> > And I'm not, *yet*. All I will say is, I have just signed up.
>> >> On 13 Jun 2017, at 18:11, Jenifer Barr <claudas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Ming.
>> >> Even if this is true people beta testing IOS 11 cannot discuss. I am not 
>> >> one of them that's why I'm replying.
>> >> Have a great day.
>> >> Jen
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On Jun 13, 2017, at 3:29 AM, 'Ming' via VIPhone 
>> >>> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> hi all!
>> >>> anyone know that in IOS 11 it has some new siri voices.
>> >>> does the voices also can work in voice over as well?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >&

Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Mary Otten]

Some of the problems with Siri have to do with privacy, and apples insistence 
on it, where as Google is quite the opposite. So there are some trade-offs 
here. I do also wish that Siri would become better, but not at the expense of 
my data going to any Tom Dick and Harry who wants to buy it from Google or 
Google using it for their own purposes, which are all about advertising. We 
need a happy medium here we're privacy is first, but robust AI is also 
possible. I'm hoping that's what all these new hires will do for Apple

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 18, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> I know that they are reporting this just as they are reporting how Apple has 
> and is hiring experts in autonomous/self-driving car technology. As far as 
> SIRI goes, however, I want them to show that they are making some progress, 
> it just seem sso ignorant that they are just not really improving SIRI but 
> they of course know that is what everybody wants.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kevin Chao
> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 10:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
>  
> Has already happend and will continue too...Apple has doubled-down on 
> artificial intelligence/machine learning: they’ve acquired and continue to 
> lots of talent in this domain.
> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:59 PM Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> Great idea, let’s tell Apple to fire SIRI and hire the Google Assistant away 
> from Google, after all, it’s not the first time Apple hired away talent from 
> Google or other companies.
> .
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kevin Chao
> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 9:12 PM
> 
> To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
>  
> I’m surprised to see so much attention devoted towards the more expressive 
> Siri voices. I view it as a nice touch to the presnetaiton layer, but the 
> structure and interaction, specifically with understanding, context, and 
> meaningful intelligence has a lot to be desired. The only advantage Siri has 
> is that it was first, but all other voice-based assistants are smarter, 
> helpful, and useful. However, to be fair, even the best of the “Assistants” 
> today would not last as a human Assistant in a job. We’ve been promised a 
> bright future with the voice user interfaces, but a lot more resources and 
> time needs to be realized before the “Year Million” is our reality.
> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:59 PM christopher hallsworth 
> <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
> No, just the public beta software program.
> > On 14 Jun 2017, at 22:26, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> >
> > Did you seriously pay money to sign up for a developer account? In two or 
> > at the most 3 weeks you could get the first public beta for free.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> > Of christopher hallsworth
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 12:42 PM
> > To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
> >
> > And I'm not, *yet*. All I will say is, I have just signed up.
> >> On 13 Jun 2017, at 18:11, Jenifer Barr <claudas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Ming.
> >> Even if this is true people beta testing IOS 11 cannot discuss. I am not 
> >> one of them that's why I'm replying.
> >> Have a great day.
> >> Jen
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jun 13, 2017, at 3:29 AM, 'Ming' via VIPhone 
> >>> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> hi all!
> >>> anyone know that in IOS 11 it has some new siri voices.
> >>> does the voices also can work in voice over as well?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> thanks!
> >>> Ming
> >>>
> >>> msn/window live messenger
> >>> chung_chiming_2...@hotmail.com
> >>> skype:
> >>> chungchiming9950
> >>>
> >>> face book:
> >>> http://www.facebook.com/mingcm1
> >>>
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RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I know that they are reporting this just as they are reporting how Apple has 
and is hiring experts in autonomous/self-driving car technology. As far as SIRI 
goes, however, I want them to show that they are making some progress, it just 
seem sso ignorant that they are just not really improving SIRI but they of 
course know that is what everybody wants.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 10:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

Has already happend and will continue too...Apple has doubled-down on 
artificial intelligence/machine learning: they’ve acquired and continue to lots 
of talent in this domain.
On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:59 PM Sieghard Weitzel 
<siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Great idea, let’s tell Apple to fire SIRI and hire the Google Assistant away 
from Google, after all, it’s not the first time Apple hired away talent from 
Google or other companies.
.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 9:12 PM

To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

I’m surprised to see so much attention devoted towards the more expressive Siri 
voices. I view it as a nice touch to the presnetaiton layer, but the structure 
and interaction, specifically with understanding, context, and meaningful 
intelligence has a lot to be desired. The only advantage Siri has is that it 
was first, but all other voice-based assistants are smarter, helpful, and 
useful. However, to be fair, even the best of the “Assistants” today would not 
last as a human Assistant in a job. We’ve been promised a bright future with 
the voice user interfaces, but a lot more resources and time needs to be 
realized before the “Year Million” is our reality.
On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:59 PM christopher hallsworth 
<challswor...@icloud.com<mailto:challswor...@icloud.com>> wrote:
No, just the public beta software program.
> On 14 Jun 2017, at 22:26, Sieghard Weitzel 
> <siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
>
> Did you seriously pay money to sign up for a developer account? In two or at 
> the most 3 weeks you could get the first public beta for free.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf 
> Of christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 12:42 PM
> To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
>
> And I'm not, *yet*. All I will say is, I have just signed up.
>> On 13 Jun 2017, at 18:11, Jenifer Barr 
>> <claudas...@gmail.com<mailto:claudas...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ming.
>> Even if this is true people beta testing IOS 11 cannot discuss. I am not one 
>> of them that's why I'm replying.
>> Have a great day.
>> Jen
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 13, 2017, at 3:29 AM, 'Ming' via VIPhone 
>>> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> hi all!
>>> anyone know that in IOS 11 it has some new siri voices.
>>> does the voices also can work in voice over as well?
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks!
>>> Ming
>>>
>>> msn/window live messenger
>>> chung_chiming_2...@hotmail.com<mailto:chung_chiming_2...@hotmail.com>
>>> skype:
>>> chungchiming9950
>>>
>>> face book:
>>> http://www.facebook.com/mingcm1
>>>
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Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Kevin Chao]

 Has already happend and will continue too...Apple has doubled-down on
artificial intelligence/machine learning: they’ve acquired and continue to
lots of talent in this domain.
On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:59 PM Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

> Great idea, let’s tell Apple to fire SIRI and hire the Google Assistant
> away from Google, after all, it’s not the first time Apple hired away
> talent from Google or other companies.
>
> .
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Kevin Chao
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 17, 2017 9:12 PM
>
>
> *To:* Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
>
>
>
> I’m surprised to see so much attention devoted towards the more expressive
> Siri voices. I view it as a nice touch to the presnetaiton layer, but the
> structure and interaction, specifically with understanding, context, and
> meaningful intelligence has a lot to be desired. The only advantage Siri
> has is that it was first, but all other voice-based assistants are smarter,
> helpful, and useful. However, to be fair, even the best of the “Assistants”
> today would not last as a human Assistant in a job. We’ve been promised a
> bright future with the voice user interfaces, but a lot more resources and
> time needs to be realized before the “Year Million” is our reality.
>
> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:59 PM christopher hallsworth <
> challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
>
> No, just the public beta software program.
> > On 14 Jun 2017, at 22:26, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> >
> > Did you seriously pay money to sign up for a developer account? In two
> or at the most 3 weeks you could get the first public beta for free.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 12:42 PM
> > To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
> >
> > And I'm not, *yet*. All I will say is, I have just signed up.
> >> On 13 Jun 2017, at 18:11, Jenifer Barr <claudas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Ming.
> >> Even if this is true people beta testing IOS 11 cannot discuss. I am
> not one of them that's why I'm replying.
> >> Have a great day.
> >> Jen
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jun 13, 2017, at 3:29 AM, 'Ming' via VIPhone <
> viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> hi all!
> >>> anyone know that in IOS 11 it has some new siri voices.
> >>> does the voices also can work in voice over as well?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> thanks!
> >>> Ming
> >>>
> >>> msn/window live messenger
> >>> chung_chiming_2...@hotmail.com
> >>> skype:
> >>> chungchiming9950
> >>>
> >>> face book:
> >>> http://www.facebook.com/mingcm1
> >>>
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RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Great idea, let’s tell Apple to fire SIRI and hire the Google Assistant away 
from Google, after all, it’s not the first time Apple hired away talent from 
Google or other companies.
.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 9:12 PM
To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

I’m surprised to see so much attention devoted towards the more expressive Siri 
voices. I view it as a nice touch to the presnetaiton layer, but the structure 
and interaction, specifically with understanding, context, and meaningful 
intelligence has a lot to be desired. The only advantage Siri has is that it 
was first, but all other voice-based assistants are smarter, helpful, and 
useful. However, to be fair, even the best of the “Assistants” today would not 
last as a human Assistant in a job. We’ve been promised a bright future with 
the voice user interfaces, but a lot more resources and time needs to be 
realized before the “Year Million” is our reality.
On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:59 PM christopher hallsworth 
<challswor...@icloud.com<mailto:challswor...@icloud.com>> wrote:
No, just the public beta software program.
> On 14 Jun 2017, at 22:26, Sieghard Weitzel 
> <siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
>
> Did you seriously pay money to sign up for a developer account? In two or at 
> the most 3 weeks you could get the first public beta for free.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf 
> Of christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 12:42 PM
> To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
>
> And I'm not, *yet*. All I will say is, I have just signed up.
>> On 13 Jun 2017, at 18:11, Jenifer Barr 
>> <claudas...@gmail.com<mailto:claudas...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ming.
>> Even if this is true people beta testing IOS 11 cannot discuss. I am not one 
>> of them that's why I'm replying.
>> Have a great day.
>> Jen
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 13, 2017, at 3:29 AM, 'Ming' via VIPhone 
>>> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> hi all!
>>> anyone know that in IOS 11 it has some new siri voices.
>>> does the voices also can work in voice over as well?
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks!
>>> Ming
>>>
>>> msn/window live messenger
>>> chung_chiming_2...@hotmail.com<mailto:chung_chiming_2...@hotmail.com>
>>> skype:
>>> chungchiming9950
>>>
>>> face book:
>>> http://www.facebook.com/mingcm1
>>>
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Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Kevin Chao]

I’m surprised to see so much attention devoted towards the more expressive
Siri voices. I view it as a nice touch to the presnetaiton layer, but the
structure and interaction, specifically with understanding, context, and
meaningful intelligence has a lot to be desired. The only advantage Siri
has is that it was first, but all other voice-based assistants are smarter,
helpful, and useful. However, to be fair, even the best of the “Assistants”
today would not last as a human Assistant in a job. We’ve been promised a
bright future with the voice user interfaces, but a lot more resources and
time needs to be realized before the “Year Million” is our reality.
On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:59 PM christopher hallsworth <
challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:

> No, just the public beta software program.
> > On 14 Jun 2017, at 22:26, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> >
> > Did you seriously pay money to sign up for a developer account? In two
> or at the most 3 weeks you could get the first public beta for free.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 12:42 PM
> > To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
> >
> > And I'm not, *yet*. All I will say is, I have just signed up.
> >> On 13 Jun 2017, at 18:11, Jenifer Barr <claudas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Ming.
> >> Even if this is true people beta testing IOS 11 cannot discuss. I am
> not one of them that's why I'm replying.
> >> Have a great day.
> >> Jen
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jun 13, 2017, at 3:29 AM, 'Ming' via VIPhone <
> viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> hi all!
> >>> anyone know that in IOS 11 it has some new siri voices.
> >>> does the voices also can work in voice over as well?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> thanks!
> >>> Ming
> >>>
> >>> msn/window live messenger
> >>> chung_chiming_2...@hotmail.com
> >>> skype:
> >>> chungchiming9950
> >>>
> >>> face book:
> >>> http://www.facebook.com/mingcm1
> >>>
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Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

[christopher hallsworth]

No, just the public beta software program.
> On 14 Jun 2017, at 22:26, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Did you seriously pay money to sign up for a developer account? In two or at 
> the most 3 weeks you could get the first public beta for free.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 12:42 PM
> To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
> 
> And I'm not, *yet*. All I will say is, I have just signed up.
>> On 13 Jun 2017, at 18:11, Jenifer Barr <claudas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ming.
>> Even if this is true people beta testing IOS 11 cannot discuss. I am not one 
>> of them that's why I'm replying. 
>> Have a great day.
>> Jen
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 13, 2017, at 3:29 AM, 'Ming' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi all!
>>> anyone know that in IOS 11 it has some new siri voices.
>>> does the voices also can work in voice over as well?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> thanks!
>>> Ming
>>> 
>>> msn/window live messenger
>>> chung_chiming_2...@hotmail.com
>>> skype:
>>> chungchiming9950
>>> 
>>> face book:
>>> http://www.facebook.com/mingcm1
>>> 
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RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Wayne Scott]

I can't wait.  I just hope I remember to switch Siri back to 
American as I have mine on British.  That one sounded more 
tatural than the American.


- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com" <viphone@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 23:33:21 +0000
Subject: RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

The small sample they played during the keynote sounded amazing, 
especially the female SIRI voice.



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Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

At some point I would love to get a dev account but I would 
really love to start developing for IOS.  Anyways I hope the siri 
voice sounds good as a voice over voice because the current ones 
just don't sound all that hot.


On 6/14/17, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
Did you seriously pay money to sign up for a developer account? 
In two
or at the most 3 weeks you could get the first public beta for 
free.


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Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

And I'm not, *yet*.  All I will say is, I have just signed up.
On 13 Jun 2017, at 18:11, Jenifer Barr <claudas...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


Hi Ming.
Even if this is true people beta testing IOS 11 cannot discuss.  
I am

not one of them that's why I'm replying.
Have a great day.
Jen


Sent from my iPhone

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hi all!
anyone know that in IOS 11 it has some new siri voices.
does the voices also can work in voice over as well?


thanks!
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RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The small sample they played during the keynote sounded amazing, especially the 
female SIRI voice.


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Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

At some point I would love to get a dev account but I would really love to 
start developing for IOS. Anyways I hope the siri voice sounds good as a voice 
over voice because the current ones just don't sound all that hot.

On 6/14/17, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> Did you seriously pay money to sign up for a developer account? In two 
> or at the most 3 weeks you could get the first public beta for free.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
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> To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: New siri voices in IOS 11
>
> And I'm not, *yet*. All I will say is, I have just signed up.
>> On 13 Jun 2017, at 18:11, Jenifer Barr <claudas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ming.
>> Even if this is true people beta testing IOS 11 cannot discuss. I am 
>> not one of them that's why I'm replying.
>> Have a great day.
>> Jen
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 13, 2017, at 3:29 AM, 'Ming' via VIPhone 
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>>> hi all!
>>> anyone know that in IOS 11 it has some new siri voices.
>>> does the voices also can work in voice over as well?
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks!
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Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

[lenron brown]

At some point I would love to get a dev account but I would really
love to start developing for IOS. Anyways I hope the siri voice sounds
good as a voice over voice because the current ones just don't sound
all that hot.

On 6/14/17, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> Did you seriously pay money to sign up for a developer account? In two or at
> the most 3 weeks you could get the first public beta for free.
>
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> Of christopher hallsworth
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> And I'm not, *yet*. All I will say is, I have just signed up.
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>>
>> Hi Ming.
>> Even if this is true people beta testing IOS 11 cannot discuss. I am not
>> one of them that's why I'm replying.
>> Have a great day.
>> Jen
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 13, 2017, at 3:29 AM, 'Ming' via VIPhone
>>> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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>>> hi all!
>>> anyone know that in IOS 11 it has some new siri voices.
>>> does the voices also can work in voice over as well?
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks!
>>> Ming
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RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Did you seriously pay money to sign up for a developer account? In two or at 
the most 3 weeks you could get the first public beta for free.

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And I'm not, *yet*. All I will say is, I have just signed up.
> On 13 Jun 2017, at 18:11, Jenifer Barr <claudas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ming.
> Even if this is true people beta testing IOS 11 cannot discuss. I am not one 
> of them that's why I'm replying. 
> Have a great day.
> Jen
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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>> hi all!
>> anyone know that in IOS 11 it has some new siri voices.
>> does the voices also can work in voice over as well?
>> 
>> 
>> thanks!
>> Ming
>> 
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Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

[christopher hallsworth]

And I'm not, *yet*. All I will say is, I have just signed up.
> On 13 Jun 2017, at 18:11, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
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> Hi Ming.
> Even if this is true people beta testing IOS 11 cannot discuss. I am not one 
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> Have a great day.
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>> 
>> 
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Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

[rajmund]

hi,
actually, we can discuss that there are new voices, since apple has 
showed it to us. now, whether they can be used as voiceover voices, 
those can't be discussed.


On 13/06/17 6:11 PM, Jenifer Barr wrote:

Hi Ming.
Even if this is true people beta testing IOS 11 cannot discuss. I am not one of 
them that's why I'm replying.
Have a great day.
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Sent from my iPhone


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wrote:

hi all!
anyone know that in IOS 11 it has some new siri voices.
does the voices also can work in voice over as well?


thanks!
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Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, iOS 9, seen the capability right from the first dev beta.
> On 13 Jun 2017, at 23:07, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> They very publically said during the keynote that there is both a new 
> american male and female voice and they played them. Especially the new 
> female voice sounds very good and I would be very surprised if it would not 
> be available for Voiceover. SIRI voices have been available in iOS 9 and iOS 
> 10 (maybe even iOS 8, can't remember if that is when it started) and I doubt 
> they suddenly decide to not make them available as Voiceover voices any more.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
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> 
> hi all!
> anyone know that in IOS 11 it has some new siri voices.
> does the voices also can work in voice over as well?
> 
> 
> thanks!
> Ming
> 
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RE: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Sieghard Weitzel]

They very publically said during the keynote that there is both a new american 
male and female voice and they played them. Especially the new female voice 
sounds very good and I would be very surprised if it would not be available for 
Voiceover. SIRI voices have been available in iOS 9 and iOS 10 (maybe even iOS 
8, can't remember if that is when it started) and I doubt they suddenly decide 
to not make them available as Voiceover voices any more.


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Sieghard

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Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 12:29 AM
To: viphone 
Subject: New siri voices in IOS 11

hi all!
anyone know that in IOS 11 it has some new siri voices.
does the voices also can work in voice over as well?


thanks!
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Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

[Jenifer Barr]

Hi Ming.
Even if this is true people beta testing IOS 11 cannot discuss. I am not one of 
them that's why I'm replying. 
Have a great day.
Jen


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> On Jun 13, 2017, at 3:29 AM, 'Ming' via VIPhone  
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> hi all!
> anyone know that in IOS 11 it has some new siri voices.
> does the voices also can work in voice over as well?
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> thanks!
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