RE: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else which plagued me

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I guess I at one time turned it on and like you, turned the setting to off.

I’ve still found an edit field or two where VO gets stuck, but nothing like 
before. Also, the text editing issues with dictation and the dictate bug also 
appear to be gone for me.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 12:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else 
which plagued me

 

Maybe it just sounds like it, but when you say toggled to off do you mean that 
it was off or that you now turned it off? For me at least this needs to be off 
and maybe that along with a complete reset of the phone and setting up as a new 
device also helped, but I have yet to find any place where Voiceover gets stuck 
or jumps around. I can now finally start to like iOS 14.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Cristobal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 8:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else 
which plagued me

 

Well, well, would you look at that. All the sudden. Everything or at least 
everything I’ve played with so far has become much more stable.

I have still encountered a situation or two where VO still gets stuck on an 
element (the Amazon seller app for example), but no where nearly as much as 
before with this keyboard setting toggled to off.

Thanks for the tip.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 5:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else which 
plagued me

 

Hi,

 

So, finally I am again a happy camper although I probably did not even have to 
do the complete erase and reset on my iPhone 11 and then setting up as a new 
device which I just did a few days ago hoping it would help fix some of the 
issues I had.

Here is a bit of background:

I bought an iphone 8 64 Gb two years ago and this year I did not participate in 
the iOS 14 public beta throughout the summer because I really needed my phone 
to work and could not take chances with strange issues. I finally upgraded 
about a week or two after iOS 14 was released in september and promptly 
regretted it when I experienced the many focus issues people were talking about.

I then recently took advantage of a pretty good promotion my provider offered 
on the iPhone 11 which already had iOS 14 on it when I received it, but all the 
issues were the same.

 

For one thing the Today View was broken, then there was the mildly annoying 
issue in the App Store where you had to swipe right twice if you want to 
install updates (the first time it seemed like Voiceover said "Update", but 
then focus would immediately jump back to the app description). And finally I 
was unable to share anything any longer unless it was by text or iMessage to 
one of the contacts which show up in the list of recently contacted people in 
the share sheet. As soon as I selected to share by Mail, WhatsApp or Facebook 
the following screen where the selected app would open was completely 
inaccessible with Voiceover typically stuck on Cancel or something like that.

 

Finally I had an issue which most others did not seem to have and that had to 
do with something very annoying when typing on the on-screen keyboard in most 
edit fields. What would happen is this:

Assume for example I open a message conversation and double tap on the edit 
field to reply to somebdy who sent me a text or iMessage (it did not matter 
which it was).

 

As soon as I double tap on an iMessage conversation field Voiceover would say 
this:

Message, text field is editing, iMessage, character mode, insertion point at 
start

Now assume I want to start by typing "Hello", so I type the upper case H and I 
hear Voiceover say the following:

Message, text field is editing, H, character mode, insertion point at end

I now type the "e" of the word "Hello" and hear Voiceover say:

Message, text field is editing, He, character mode, insertion point at end

I type the first l of Hello and Voiceover says:

Message, text field is editing, Hel, character mode, insertion point at end. 
This continues with the second l and finally when I type the final o I hear:

Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end

Next I put in a space and it again repeats:

Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end

You can see the pattern, each time I typed a letter Voiceover repeated the 
entire message about "message, text field is editing, character mode and 
insertion

point and in between it said everything I had so far typed.

This 

RE: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else which plagued me

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes, I had them in 14.1 as well as in 14.2 public beta 4 which is what I tried 
after 14.1 brought no improvements for me. Of course I now know better and it 
was simply having this "Full keyboard access" turned on which caused me such 
problems.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Flor 
Lynch
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 10:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else 
which plagued me

Sieghard: Did you update to iOS14.1 before you turned off the ‘allow full 
keyboard access’ setting? If you diod, did you still have the VO focus uissues 
then? (They’re a lot less in 14.1 in my experience than they were in 14.01.)

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 12:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else which 
plagued me
Hi,

So, finally I am again a happy camper although I probably did not even have to 
do the complete erase and reset on my iPhone 11 and then setting up as a new 
device which I just did a few days ago hoping it would help fix some of the 
issues I had.
Here is a bit of background:
I bought an iphone 8 64 Gb two years ago and this year I did not participate in 
the iOS 14 public beta throughout the summer because I really needed my phone 
to work and could not take chances with strange issues. I finally upgraded 
about a week or two after iOS 14 was released in september and promptly 
regretted it when I experienced the many focus issues people were talking about.
I then recently took advantage of a pretty good promotion my provider offered 
on the iPhone 11 which already had iOS 14 on it when I received it, but all the 
issues were the same.

For one thing the Today View was broken, then there was the mildly annoying 
issue in the App Store where you had to swipe right twice if you want to 
install updates (the first time it seemed like Voiceover said "Update", but 
then focus would immediately jump back to the app description). And finally I 
was unable to share anything any longer unless it was by text or iMessage to 
one of the contacts which show up in the list of recently contacted people in 
the share sheet. As soon as I selected to share by Mail, WhatsApp or Facebook 
the following screen where the selected app would open was completely 
inaccessible with Voiceover typically stuck on Cancel or something like that.

Finally I had an issue which most others did not seem to have and that had to 
do with something very annoying when typing on the on-screen keyboard in most 
edit fields. What would happen is this:
Assume for example I open a message conversation and double tap on the edit 
field to reply to somebdy who sent me a text or iMessage (it did not matter 
which it was).

As soon as I double tap on an iMessage conversation field Voiceover would say 
this:
Message, text field is editing, iMessage, character mode, insertion point at 
start
Now assume I want to start by typing "Hello", so I type the upper case H and I 
hear Voiceover say the following:
Message, text field is editing, H, character mode, insertion point at end
I now type the "e" of the word "Hello" and hear Voiceover say:
Message, text field is editing, He, character mode, insertion point at end
I type the first l of Hello and Voiceover says:
Message, text field is editing, Hel, character mode, insertion point at end. 
This continues with the second l and finally when I type the final o I hear:
Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end
Next I put in a space and it again repeats:
Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end
You can see the pattern, each time I typed a letter Voiceover repeated the 
entire message about "message, text field is editing, character mode and 
insertion
point and in between it said everything I had so far typed.
This happened in most search fields and other edit fields, one place where it 
does not happen and Voiceover behaves as
it should is in the Mail app in the message body field.
Anybody who wants to hear what this sounded like ccan use one of the Dropbox 
links below, the first just plays the screen recording I made, the second 
allows you to first download it:

Screen recording to play from 
Dropbox

Screen recording for downloading from 
Dropbox

And here the solution. I had posted this to jonathan Mosen's beta tester list 
and a wonderful gentleman, Matt McCubbin, wrote the following:

I think you may have the Full Keyboard Access 
(Settings/Accessibility/Keyboards/Full Keyboard Access), setting enabled on 
your 

RE: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else which plagued me

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Maybe it just sounds like it, but when you say toggled to off do you mean that 
it was off or that you now turned it off? For me at least this needs to be off 
and maybe that along with a complete reset of the phone and setting up as a new 
device also helped, but I have yet to find any place where Voiceover gets stuck 
or jumps around. I can now finally start to like iOS 14.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristobal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 8:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else 
which plagued me

Well, well, would you look at that. All the sudden. Everything or at least 
everything I’ve played with so far has become much more stable.
I have still encountered a situation or two where VO still gets stuck on an 
element (the Amazon seller app for example), but no where nearly as much as 
before with this keyboard setting toggled to off.
Thanks for the tip.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 5:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else which 
plagued me

Hi,

So, finally I am again a happy camper although I probably did not even have to 
do the complete erase and reset on my iPhone 11 and then setting up as a new 
device which I just did a few days ago hoping it would help fix some of the 
issues I had.
Here is a bit of background:
I bought an iphone 8 64 Gb two years ago and this year I did not participate in 
the iOS 14 public beta throughout the summer because I really needed my phone 
to work and could not take chances with strange issues. I finally upgraded 
about a week or two after iOS 14 was released in september and promptly 
regretted it when I experienced the many focus issues people were talking about.
I then recently took advantage of a pretty good promotion my provider offered 
on the iPhone 11 which already had iOS 14 on it when I received it, but all the 
issues were the same.

For one thing the Today View was broken, then there was the mildly annoying 
issue in the App Store where you had to swipe right twice if you want to 
install updates (the first time it seemed like Voiceover said "Update", but 
then focus would immediately jump back to the app description). And finally I 
was unable to share anything any longer unless it was by text or iMessage to 
one of the contacts which show up in the list of recently contacted people in 
the share sheet. As soon as I selected to share by Mail, WhatsApp or Facebook 
the following screen where the selected app would open was completely 
inaccessible with Voiceover typically stuck on Cancel or something like that.

Finally I had an issue which most others did not seem to have and that had to 
do with something very annoying when typing on the on-screen keyboard in most 
edit fields. What would happen is this:
Assume for example I open a message conversation and double tap on the edit 
field to reply to somebdy who sent me a text or iMessage (it did not matter 
which it was).

As soon as I double tap on an iMessage conversation field Voiceover would say 
this:
Message, text field is editing, iMessage, character mode, insertion point at 
start
Now assume I want to start by typing "Hello", so I type the upper case H and I 
hear Voiceover say the following:
Message, text field is editing, H, character mode, insertion point at end
I now type the "e" of the word "Hello" and hear Voiceover say:
Message, text field is editing, He, character mode, insertion point at end
I type the first l of Hello and Voiceover says:
Message, text field is editing, Hel, character mode, insertion point at end. 
This continues with the second l and finally when I type the final o I hear:
Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end
Next I put in a space and it again repeats:
Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end
You can see the pattern, each time I typed a letter Voiceover repeated the 
entire message about "message, text field is editing, character mode and 
insertion
point and in between it said everything I had so far typed.
This happened in most search fields and other edit fields, one place where it 
does not happen and Voiceover behaves as
it should is in the Mail app in the message body field.
Anybody who wants to hear what this sounded like ccan use one of the Dropbox 
links below, the first just plays the screen recording I made, the second 
allows you to first download it:

Screen recording to play from 
Dropbox

Screen recording for downloading from 
Dropbox

And here the solution. 

RE: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else which plagued me

[Cristobal Muñoz]

Well, well, would you look at that. All the sudden. Everything or at least 
everything I’ve played with so far has become much more stable.

I have still encountered a situation or two where VO still gets stuck on an 
element (the Amazon seller app for example), but no where nearly as much as 
before with this keyboard setting toggled to off.

Thanks for the tip.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 5:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else which 
plagued me

 

Hi,

 

So, finally I am again a happy camper although I probably did not even have to 
do the complete erase and reset on my iPhone 11 and then setting up as a new 
device which I just did a few days ago hoping it would help fix some of the 
issues I had.

Here is a bit of background:

I bought an iphone 8 64 Gb two years ago and this year I did not participate in 
the iOS 14 public beta throughout the summer because I really needed my phone 
to work and could not take chances with strange issues. I finally upgraded 
about a week or two after iOS 14 was released in september and promptly 
regretted it when I experienced the many focus issues people were talking about.

I then recently took advantage of a pretty good promotion my provider offered 
on the iPhone 11 which already had iOS 14 on it when I received it, but all the 
issues were the same.

 

For one thing the Today View was broken, then there was the mildly annoying 
issue in the App Store where you had to swipe right twice if you want to 
install updates (the first time it seemed like Voiceover said "Update", but 
then focus would immediately jump back to the app description). And finally I 
was unable to share anything any longer unless it was by text or iMessage to 
one of the contacts which show up in the list of recently contacted people in 
the share sheet. As soon as I selected to share by Mail, WhatsApp or Facebook 
the following screen where the selected app would open was completely 
inaccessible with Voiceover typically stuck on Cancel or something like that.

 

Finally I had an issue which most others did not seem to have and that had to 
do with something very annoying when typing on the on-screen keyboard in most 
edit fields. What would happen is this:

Assume for example I open a message conversation and double tap on the edit 
field to reply to somebdy who sent me a text or iMessage (it did not matter 
which it was).

 

As soon as I double tap on an iMessage conversation field Voiceover would say 
this:

Message, text field is editing, iMessage, character mode, insertion point at 
start

Now assume I want to start by typing "Hello", so I type the upper case H and I 
hear Voiceover say the following:

Message, text field is editing, H, character mode, insertion point at end

I now type the "e" of the word "Hello" and hear Voiceover say:

Message, text field is editing, He, character mode, insertion point at end

I type the first l of Hello and Voiceover says:

Message, text field is editing, Hel, character mode, insertion point at end. 
This continues with the second l and finally when I type the final o I hear:

Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end

Next I put in a space and it again repeats:

Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end

You can see the pattern, each time I typed a letter Voiceover repeated the 
entire message about "message, text field is editing, character mode and 
insertion

point and in between it said everything I had so far typed.

This happened in most search fields and other edit fields, one place where it 
does not happen and Voiceover behaves as

it should is in the Mail app in the message body field.

Anybody who wants to hear what this sounded like ccan use one of the Dropbox 
links below, the first just plays the screen recording I made, the second 
allows you to first download it:

 

 

 Screen recording to play from Dropbox

 

 

 Screen recording for downloading from Dropbox

 

And here the solution. I had posted this to jonathan Mosen's beta tester list 
and a wonderful gentleman, Matt McCubbin, wrote the following:

 

I think you may have the Full Keyboard Access 
(Settings/Accessibility/Keyboards/Full Keyboard Access), setting enabled on 
your phone. This feature causes

focus issues and other conflicts with VoiceOver. I’m able to replicate your 
iMessage issue on my end when I have the setting enabled, and I’ve also spent

time troubleshooting the focus issues that result from running both features 
concurrently.

 

Hope this helps,

RE: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else which plagued me

[Christopher Chaltain]

I’ve been having these focus issues, so I checked the value of this setting, 
and in my case, I had it set to off. I went ahead and toggled it on, and it 
looks like it resolved my focus issues. I still need to spend more time with 
it, but it looks like there’s something more going on then just this setting 
conflicting with WoiceOver.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 7:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else which 
plagued me

 

Hi,

 

So, finally I am again a happy camper although I probably did not even have to 
do the complete erase and reset on my iPhone 11 and then setting up as a new 
device which I just did a few days ago hoping it would help fix some of the 
issues I had.

Here is a bit of background:

I bought an iphone 8 64 Gb two years ago and this year I did not participate in 
the iOS 14 public beta throughout the summer because I really needed my phone 
to work and could not take chances with strange issues. I finally upgraded 
about a week or two after iOS 14 was released in september and promptly 
regretted it when I experienced the many focus issues people were talking about.

I then recently took advantage of a pretty good promotion my provider offered 
on the iPhone 11 which already had iOS 14 on it when I received it, but all the 
issues were the same.

 

For one thing the Today View was broken, then there was the mildly annoying 
issue in the App Store where you had to swipe right twice if you want to 
install updates (the first time it seemed like Voiceover said "Update", but 
then focus would immediately jump back to the app description). And finally I 
was unable to share anything any longer unless it was by text or iMessage to 
one of the contacts which show up in the list of recently contacted people in 
the share sheet. As soon as I selected to share by Mail, WhatsApp or Facebook 
the following screen where the selected app would open was completely 
inaccessible with Voiceover typically stuck on Cancel or something like that.

 

Finally I had an issue which most others did not seem to have and that had to 
do with something very annoying when typing on the on-screen keyboard in most 
edit fields. What would happen is this:

Assume for example I open a message conversation and double tap on the edit 
field to reply to somebdy who sent me a text or iMessage (it did not matter 
which it was).

 

As soon as I double tap on an iMessage conversation field Voiceover would say 
this:

Message, text field is editing, iMessage, character mode, insertion point at 
start

Now assume I want to start by typing "Hello", so I type the upper case H and I 
hear Voiceover say the following:

Message, text field is editing, H, character mode, insertion point at end

I now type the "e" of the word "Hello" and hear Voiceover say:

Message, text field is editing, He, character mode, insertion point at end

I type the first l of Hello and Voiceover says:

Message, text field is editing, Hel, character mode, insertion point at end. 
This continues with the second l and finally when I type the final o I hear:

Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end

Next I put in a space and it again repeats:

Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end

You can see the pattern, each time I typed a letter Voiceover repeated the 
entire message about "message, text field is editing, character mode and 
insertion

point and in between it said everything I had so far typed.

This happened in most search fields and other edit fields, one place where it 
does not happen and Voiceover behaves as

it should is in the Mail app in the message body field.

Anybody who wants to hear what this sounded like ccan use one of the Dropbox 
links below, the first just plays the screen recording I made, the second 
allows you to first download it:

 

 

 Screen recording to play from Dropbox

 

 

 Screen recording for downloading from Dropbox

 

And here the solution. I had posted this to jonathan Mosen's beta tester list 
and a wonderful gentleman, Matt McCubbin, wrote the following:

 

I think you may have the Full Keyboard Access 
(Settings/Accessibility/Keyboards/Full Keyboard Access), setting enabled on 
your phone. This feature causes

focus issues and other conflicts with VoiceOver. I’m able to replicate your 
iMessage issue on my end when I have the setting enabled, and I’ve also spent

time troubleshooting the focus issues that result from running both features 
concurrently.

 

Hope this helps,

 

And did it ever help. I 

Re: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else which plagued me

[Flor Lynch]

Sieghard: Did you update to iOS14.1 before you turned off the ‘allow full 
keyboard access’ setting? If you diod, did you still have the VO focus 
uissues then? (They’re a lot less in 14.1 in my experience than they were in 
14.01.)

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 12:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else 
which plagued me
Hi,



So, finally I am again a happy camper although I probably did not even have 
to do the complete erase and reset on my iPhone 11 and then setting up as a 
new device which I just did a few days ago hoping it would help fix some of 
the issues I had.

Here is a bit of background:

I bought an iphone 8 64 Gb two years ago and this year I did not participate 
in the iOS 14 public beta throughout the summer because I really needed my 
phone to work and could not take chances with strange issues. I finally 
upgraded about a week or two after iOS 14 was released in september and 
promptly regretted it when I experienced the many focus issues people were 
talking about.

I then recently took advantage of a pretty good promotion my provider 
offered on the iPhone 11 which already had iOS 14 on it when I received it, 
but all the issues were the same.



For one thing the Today View was broken, then there was the mildly annoying 
issue in the App Store where you had to swipe right twice if you want to 
install updates (the first time it seemed like Voiceover said "Update", but 
then focus would immediately jump back to the app description). And finally 
I was unable to share anything any longer unless it was by text or iMessage 
to one of the contacts which show up in the list of recently contacted 
people in the share sheet. As soon as I selected to share by Mail, WhatsApp 
or Facebook the following screen where the selected app would open was 
completely inaccessible with Voiceover typically stuck on Cancel or 
something like that.



Finally I had an issue which most others did not seem to have and that had 
to do with something very annoying when typing on the on-screen keyboard in 
most edit fields. What would happen is this:

Assume for example I open a message conversation and double tap on the edit 
field to reply to somebdy who sent me a text or iMessage (it did not matter 
which it was).



As soon as I double tap on an iMessage conversation field Voiceover would 
say this:

Message, text field is editing, iMessage, character mode, insertion point at 
start

Now assume I want to start by typing "Hello", so I type the upper case H and 
I hear Voiceover say the following:

Message, text field is editing, H, character mode, insertion point at end

I now type the "e" of the word "Hello" and hear Voiceover say:

Message, text field is editing, He, character mode, insertion point at end

I type the first l of Hello and Voiceover says:

Message, text field is editing, Hel, character mode, insertion point at end. 
This continues with the second l and finally when I type the final o I hear:

Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at 
end

Next I put in a space and it again repeats:

Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at 
end

You can see the pattern, each time I typed a letter Voiceover repeated the 
entire message about "message, text field is editing, character mode and 
insertion

point and in between it said everything I had so far typed.

This happened in most search fields and other edit fields, one place where 
it does not happen and Voiceover behaves as

it should is in the Mail app in the message body field.

Anybody who wants to hear what this sounded like ccan use one of the Dropbox 
links below, the first just plays the screen recording I made, the second 
allows you to first download it:



Screen recording to play from Dropbox



Screen recording for downloading from Dropbox



And here the solution. I had posted this to jonathan Mosen's beta tester 
list and a wonderful gentleman, Matt McCubbin, wrote the following:



I think you may have the Full Keyboard Access 
(Settings/Accessibility/Keyboards/Full Keyboard Access), setting enabled on 
your phone. This feature causes

focus issues and other conflicts with VoiceOver. I’m able to replicate your 
iMessage issue on my end when I have the setting enabled, and I’ve also 
spent

time troubleshooting the focus issues that result from running both features 
concurrently.



Hope this helps,



And did it ever help. I indeed had turned on this full keyboard access in 
accessibility settings since I came across it when I explored the settings 
after first downloading iOS 14 and it just seemed like it makes sense to 
turn it on if you use an external Bluetooth keyboard which I do from time to 
time. Who would think this one setting causes such havick. After I turned 
this off my text entry issue above just disappeared. I also don't have to 
swipe twice any more in the App 

Re: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else which plagued me

[Shirley Baker]

I just looked and that setting was not turned on either so that's why I wasn't 
having these issues.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 26, 2020, at 10:40 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  That is a great find.
> I never turned that setting on, or if I did early on, I turned it off again, 
> which would explain why I have not experienced this issue.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
>>> On Oct 26, 2020, at 5:13 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>>  
>> So, finally I am again a happy camper although I probably did not even have 
>> to do the complete erase and reset on my iPhone 11 and then setting up as a 
>> new device which I just did a few days ago hoping it would help fix some of 
>> the issues I had.
>> Here is a bit of background:
>> I bought an iphone 8 64 Gb two years ago and this year I did not participate 
>> in the iOS 14 public beta throughout the summer because I really needed my 
>> phone to work and could not take chances with strange issues. I finally 
>> upgraded about a week or two after iOS 14 was released in september and 
>> promptly regretted it when I experienced the many focus issues people were 
>> talking about.
>> I then recently took advantage of a pretty good promotion my provider 
>> offered on the iPhone 11 which already had iOS 14 on it when I received it, 
>> but all the issues were the same.
>>  
>> For one thing the Today View was broken, then there was the mildly annoying 
>> issue in the App Store where you had to swipe right twice if you want to 
>> install updates (the first time it seemed like Voiceover said "Update", but 
>> then focus would immediately jump back to the app description). And finally 
>> I was unable to share anything any longer unless it was by text or iMessage 
>> to one of the contacts which show up in the list of recently contacted 
>> people in the share sheet. As soon as I selected to share by Mail, WhatsApp 
>> or Facebook the following screen where the selected app would open was 
>> completely inaccessible with Voiceover typically stuck on Cancel or 
>> something like that.
>>  
>> Finally I had an issue which most others did not seem to have and that had 
>> to do with something very annoying when typing on the on-screen keyboard in 
>> most edit fields. What would happen is this:
>> Assume for example I open a message conversation and double tap on the edit 
>> field to reply to somebdy who sent me a text or iMessage (it did not matter 
>> which it was).
>>  
>> As soon as I double tap on an iMessage conversation field Voiceover would 
>> say this:
>> Message, text field is editing, iMessage, character mode, insertion point at 
>> start
>> Now assume I want to start by typing "Hello", so I type the upper case H and 
>> I hear Voiceover say the following:
>> Message, text field is editing, H, character mode, insertion point at end
>> I now type the "e" of the word "Hello" and hear Voiceover say:
>> Message, text field is editing, He, character mode, insertion point at end
>> I type the first l of Hello and Voiceover says:
>> Message, text field is editing, Hel, character mode, insertion point at end. 
>> This continues with the second l and finally when I type the final o I hear:
>> Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end
>> Next I put in a space and it again repeats:
>> Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end
>> You can see the pattern, each time I typed a letter Voiceover repeated the 
>> entire message about "message, text field is editing, character mode and 
>> insertion
>> point and in between it said everything I had so far typed.
>> This happened in most search fields and other edit fields, one place where 
>> it does not happen and Voiceover behaves as
>> it should is in the Mail app in the message body field.
>> Anybody who wants to hear what this sounded like ccan use one of the Dropbox 
>> links below, the first just plays the screen recording I made, the second 
>> allows you to first download it:
>>  
>> Screen recording to play from Dropbox
>>  
>> Screen recording for downloading from Dropbox
>>  
>> And here the solution. I had posted this to jonathan Mosen's beta tester 
>> list and a wonderful gentleman, Matt McCubbin, wrote the following:
>>  
>> I think you may have the Full Keyboard Access 
>> (Settings/Accessibility/Keyboards/Full Keyboard Access), setting enabled on 
>> your phone. This feature causes
>> focus issues and other conflicts with VoiceOver. I’m able to replicate your 
>> iMessage issue on my end when I have the setting enabled, and I’ve also spent
>> time troubleshooting the focus issues that result from running both 

Re: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else which plagued me

[Richard Turner]

That is a great find.
I never turned that setting on, or if I did early on, I turned it off again, 
which would explain why I have not experienced this issue.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Oct 26, 2020, at 5:13 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


Hi,

So, finally I am again a happy camper although I probably did not even have to 
do the complete erase and reset on my iPhone 11 and then setting up as a new 
device which I just did a few days ago hoping it would help fix some of the 
issues I had.
Here is a bit of background:
I bought an iphone 8 64 Gb two years ago and this year I did not participate in 
the iOS 14 public beta throughout the summer because I really needed my phone 
to work and could not take chances with strange issues. I finally upgraded 
about a week or two after iOS 14 was released in september and promptly 
regretted it when I experienced the many focus issues people were talking about.
I then recently took advantage of a pretty good promotion my provider offered 
on the iPhone 11 which already had iOS 14 on it when I received it, but all the 
issues were the same.

For one thing the Today View was broken, then there was the mildly annoying 
issue in the App Store where you had to swipe right twice if you want to 
install updates (the first time it seemed like Voiceover said "Update", but 
then focus would immediately jump back to the app description). And finally I 
was unable to share anything any longer unless it was by text or iMessage to 
one of the contacts which show up in the list of recently contacted people in 
the share sheet. As soon as I selected to share by Mail, WhatsApp or Facebook 
the following screen where the selected app would open was completely 
inaccessible with Voiceover typically stuck on Cancel or something like that.

Finally I had an issue which most others did not seem to have and that had to 
do with something very annoying when typing on the on-screen keyboard in most 
edit fields. What would happen is this:
Assume for example I open a message conversation and double tap on the edit 
field to reply to somebdy who sent me a text or iMessage (it did not matter 
which it was).

As soon as I double tap on an iMessage conversation field Voiceover would say 
this:
Message, text field is editing, iMessage, character mode, insertion point at 
start
Now assume I want to start by typing "Hello", so I type the upper case H and I 
hear Voiceover say the following:
Message, text field is editing, H, character mode, insertion point at end
I now type the "e" of the word "Hello" and hear Voiceover say:
Message, text field is editing, He, character mode, insertion point at end
I type the first l of Hello and Voiceover says:
Message, text field is editing, Hel, character mode, insertion point at end. 
This continues with the second l and finally when I type the final o I hear:
Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end
Next I put in a space and it again repeats:
Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end
You can see the pattern, each time I typed a letter Voiceover repeated the 
entire message about "message, text field is editing, character mode and 
insertion
point and in between it said everything I had so far typed.
This happened in most search fields and other edit fields, one place where it 
does not happen and Voiceover behaves as
it should is in the Mail app in the message body field.
Anybody who wants to hear what this sounded like ccan use one of the Dropbox 
links below, the first just plays the screen recording I made, the second 
allows you to first download it:

Screen recording to play from 
Dropbox

Screen recording for downloading from