Re: upgrading from 4s

[Victor Gouveia]

Hi Chris,

I apologize for my lack of clarity.  Perhaps I should have said mobile 
computing becomes obsolete in six months of it's release?


I agree that desktop computers are virtually at a stand still, as well as 
pushing processors to their limits with over-clocking and the like, but 
having said that, I don't think that the mobile technology market has 
changed in the last 15 to 20 years in terms of it's advancement, or should I 
say, the speed in which the technology changes has remained at the same pace 
for a while now, and the same goes with Laptops and touch screen devices 
being moved into the mainstream.


In any case, I can't explain why, then, that my 4S is so slow to do 
anything.


When I compare it to my 6S, it's practically a dog's age before I can get 
anything to happen on it.


I think it started with iOS 8.0, but don't quote me on that.

I've checked the background apps that are running, minimized any extraneous 
processes, and the difference is negligible.  I do have to say that the 
battery life has greatly improved with iOS 9 since it introduced "Low Power 
Mode", but again, that doesn't help me in my quest to accomplish tasks 
faster.  Smiles.



Victor Gouveia
Vice-President
Training Coordinator
VIP Tech
Tel: 1-888-640-6661
Fax: 1-888-640-6669
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-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Chaltain

Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 9:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

The pace of advancement in computers has slowed down. It isn't true that
a computer is obsolete in six months any more. That being said, the
reason advancements in computers has slowed down is because the effort
has moved to mobile devices. So what you say is still true for mobile
devices.

It's also a fallacy that newer operating systems mean older devices will
run slower. This is true when new features are added and enough
attention isn't paid to performance, but IOS 9 is a good example where
this doesn't need to be the case. IOS 9 has breathed life into older
devices such as the iPhone 4S. I've been using an iPhone 4S since it
came out, and I never found that things took forever, but it did get a
boost in performance when IOS 9 was released. That doesn't mean it isn't
going to suffer when compared to a newer phone.

On 30/11/15 15:52, Victor Gouveia wrote:

It's the same as buying a computer.

Remember that technology becomes obsolete within six months of it's
release, so, if you think of it in terms of a computer, it would be the
same as buying a two year-old computer, versus a computer that's only
one year-old.

The younger computer has newer technology, and can therefore handle the
demands of the computer more easily than the older two year-old system.

You might also have to think that the more advanced operating system
will have greater demands put on the device.

So, when I first got my iPhone 4S, it was running iOS 6.0, and was
running much better than my older iPhone 3GS, but as more and more iOS
updates came along, the slower and more lagging my devices became to the
point that doing anything on my iPhone 4S takes forever.

When I use my new iPhone 6S, the speed can't even compare to the older
3GS, or the 4S.

Good luck in what ever you choose to do.


Victor Gouveia
Vice-President
Training Coordinator
VIP Tech
Tel: 1-888-640-6661
Fax: 1-888-640-6669
Home: victor.gouv...@rogers.com
Work: viptrain...@rogers.com
Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities

-Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

I wouldn't say significantly better, but that depends on how you define
significantly. It will be supported longer, it does have better specs so
it will perform a bit better, it has a larger screen and a longer
battery life. I'd suggest checking out the specs and reviews on line.
 From an accessibility stand point, it's a wash, so you're making the
same decision any iPhone user would, blind or sighted.

On 30/11/15 06:52, Tessa wrote:

Thank you all for your comments.
I had gone to look at phones on the weekend and was told the 16gb was all
they could get shall have to ask more questions.

I guess what I was wondering is whether the 6 is signifficantly better
than
the 5s,
Thanks
Tessa

- Original Message -
From: "Tessa" <tessa...@tbaytel.net>
To: "VIPhone" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 6:04 PM
Subject: upgrading from 4s


: Hi:
: My parents are buying me an iphone 5s for christmas. Is it
signifficantly
: better than the 4s I currently have or should I shell out the extra
couple
: hundred for a newer model?
: I use my phone for calls of course but for mail limited music assorted
games
: and a few other things. I find for me siri and dictation in general is
wrong
: 

Re: upgrading from 4s

[Christopher Chaltain]

Don't get me wrong, an iPhone 4S is going to be pretty frustratingly 
slow when compared to an iPhone 6. A newer phone with a faster processor 
is going to out perform a 4S. I've used an iPhone 4S from IOS 5 up 
through IOS 9 though, and except for those first releases of IOS 8, it 
didn't get appreciably slower with each release of IOS, and in fact, 
performance did improve with IOS 9. My employer got me an iPhone 5, and 
it's noticeably faster than my iPhone 4S, but not so much that it makes 
the 4S unusable for me.


On 02/12/15 16:31, Victor Gouveia wrote:

Hi Chris,

I apologize for my lack of clarity.  Perhaps I should have said mobile
computing becomes obsolete in six months of it's release?

I agree that desktop computers are virtually at a stand still, as well
as pushing processors to their limits with over-clocking and the like,
but having said that, I don't think that the mobile technology market
has changed in the last 15 to 20 years in terms of it's advancement, or
should I say, the speed in which the technology changes has remained at
the same pace for a while now, and the same goes with Laptops and touch
screen devices being moved into the mainstream.

In any case, I can't explain why, then, that my 4S is so slow to do
anything.

When I compare it to my 6S, it's practically a dog's age before I can
get anything to happen on it.

I think it started with iOS 8.0, but don't quote me on that.

I've checked the background apps that are running, minimized any
extraneous processes, and the difference is negligible.  I do have to
say that the battery life has greatly improved with iOS 9 since it
introduced "Low Power Mode", but again, that doesn't help me in my quest
to accomplish tasks faster.  Smiles.


Victor Gouveia
Vice-President
Training Coordinator
VIP Tech
Tel: 1-888-640-6661
Fax: 1-888-640-6669
Home: victor.gouv...@rogers.com
Work: viptrain...@rogers.com
Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities

-Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 9:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

The pace of advancement in computers has slowed down. It isn't true that
a computer is obsolete in six months any more. That being said, the
reason advancements in computers has slowed down is because the effort
has moved to mobile devices. So what you say is still true for mobile
devices.

It's also a fallacy that newer operating systems mean older devices will
run slower. This is true when new features are added and enough
attention isn't paid to performance, but IOS 9 is a good example where
this doesn't need to be the case. IOS 9 has breathed life into older
devices such as the iPhone 4S. I've been using an iPhone 4S since it
came out, and I never found that things took forever, but it did get a
boost in performance when IOS 9 was released. That doesn't mean it isn't
going to suffer when compared to a newer phone.

On 30/11/15 15:52, Victor Gouveia wrote:

It's the same as buying a computer.

Remember that technology becomes obsolete within six months of it's
release, so, if you think of it in terms of a computer, it would be the
same as buying a two year-old computer, versus a computer that's only
one year-old.

The younger computer has newer technology, and can therefore handle the
demands of the computer more easily than the older two year-old system.

You might also have to think that the more advanced operating system
will have greater demands put on the device.

So, when I first got my iPhone 4S, it was running iOS 6.0, and was
running much better than my older iPhone 3GS, but as more and more iOS
updates came along, the slower and more lagging my devices became to the
point that doing anything on my iPhone 4S takes forever.

When I use my new iPhone 6S, the speed can't even compare to the older
3GS, or the 4S.

Good luck in what ever you choose to do.


Victor Gouveia
Vice-President
Training Coordinator
VIP Tech
Tel: 1-888-640-6661
Fax: 1-888-640-6669
Home: victor.gouv...@rogers.com
Work: viptrain...@rogers.com
Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities

-Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

I wouldn't say significantly better, but that depends on how you define
significantly. It will be supported longer, it does have better specs so
it will perform a bit better, it has a larger screen and a longer
battery life. I'd suggest checking out the specs and reviews on line.
 From an accessibility stand point, it's a wash, so you're making the
same decision any iPhone user would, blind or sighted.

On 30/11/15 06:52, Tessa wrote:

Thank you all for your comments.
I had gone to look at phones on the weekend and was told the 16gb was
all
they could get shall have to ask more questions.

I guess what I was wondering is whether the 6 is signifficantly better
than
the 5s,
Thanks
Tessa

- Origin

Re: upgrading from 4s

[Christopher Chaltain]

If you're talking about my iPhone 4S, I wouldn't say it was very 
sluggish or slow. Performance actually improved under IOS 9 and even 
some of the later updates to IOS 8. Obviously a newer phone with a 
faster processor will perform better, but I've never considered my 
iPhone 4S to be unusable.


On 01/12/15 06:03, kimmie parutu wrote:

It was probably very sluggish though and slow yeah?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2015 1:00 a.m.
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

I suspect it won't be supported after IOS 9, but only time and announcements 
from Apple will tell. Most people would have said that IOS
9 wouldn't have been supported on the 4S, but this obviously wasn't the case.

On 30/11/15 23:00, kimmie parutu wrote:

How long do you think the 4S is going to handle future changes?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, 1 December 2015 3:38 p.m.
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

The pace of advancement in computers has slowed down. It isn't true that a 
computer is obsolete in six months any more. That being said, the reason 
advancements in computers has slowed down is because the effort has moved to 
mobile devices. So what you say is still true for mobile devices.

It's also a fallacy that newer operating systems mean older devices will run 
slower. This is true when new features are added and enough attention isn't 
paid to performance, but IOS 9 is a good example where this doesn't need to be 
the case. IOS 9 has breathed life into older devices such as the iPhone 4S. 
I've been using an iPhone 4S since it came out, and I never found that things 
took forever, but it did get a boost in performance when IOS 9 was released. 
That doesn't mean it isn't going to suffer when compared to a newer phone.

On 30/11/15 15:52, Victor Gouveia wrote:

It's the same as buying a computer.

Remember that technology becomes obsolete within six months of it's
release, so, if you think of it in terms of a computer, it would be
the same as buying a two year-old computer, versus a computer that's
only one year-old.

The younger computer has newer technology, and can therefore handle
the demands of the computer more easily than the older two year-old system.

You might also have to think that the more advanced operating system
will have greater demands put on the device.

So, when I first got my iPhone 4S, it was running iOS 6.0, and was
running much better than my older iPhone 3GS, but as more and more
iOS updates came along, the slower and more lagging my devices became
to the point that doing anything on my iPhone 4S takes forever.

When I use my new iPhone 6S, the speed can't even compare to the
older 3GS, or the 4S.

Good luck in what ever you choose to do.


Victor Gouveia
Vice-President
Training Coordinator
VIP Tech
Tel: 1-888-640-6661
Fax: 1-888-640-6669
Home: victor.gouv...@rogers.com
Work: viptrain...@rogers.com
Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities

-Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

I wouldn't say significantly better, but that depends on how you
define significantly. It will be supported longer, it does have
better specs so it will perform a bit better, it has a larger screen
and a longer battery life. I'd suggest checking out the specs and reviews on 
line.
   From an accessibility stand point, it's a wash, so you're making
the same decision any iPhone user would, blind or sighted.

On 30/11/15 06:52, Tessa wrote:

Thank you all for your comments.
I had gone to look at phones on the weekend and was told the 16gb
was all they could get shall have to ask more questions.

I guess what I was wondering is whether the 6 is signifficantly
better than the 5s, Thanks Tessa

- Original Message -
From: "Tessa" <tessa...@tbaytel.net>
To: "VIPhone" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 6:04 PM
Subject: upgrading from 4s


: Hi:
: My parents are buying me an iphone 5s for christmas. Is it
signifficantly
: better than the 4s I currently have or should I shell out the
extra couple
: hundred for a newer model?
: I use my phone for calls of course but for mail limited music
assorted games
: and a few other things. I find for me siri and dictation in
general is wrong
: more often than right and so use it rarely and not sure if this is
vastly
: improved in newer models. I also use my phone to take pictures. I
do very
: limited internet as I find it slow and frustrating. Would the 5s
be a
: signifficant improvement or should I get something newer. I'm told
the 5s
: only comes in 16gb, I had been thinking of going 32 but can't
decide LOL.
: Any thoughts? Thanks

RE: upgrading from 4s

[kimmie parutu]

Well it'll be behind the times soon.heheheheheh

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2015 1:46 p.m.
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

If you're talking about my iPhone 4S, I wouldn't say it was very sluggish or 
slow. Performance actually improved under IOS 9 and even some of the later 
updates to IOS 8. Obviously a newer phone with a faster processor will perform 
better, but I've never considered my iPhone 4S to be unusable.

On 01/12/15 06:03, kimmie parutu wrote:
> It was probably very sluggish though and slow yeah?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2015 1:00 a.m.
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s
>
> I suspect it won't be supported after IOS 9, but only time and 
> announcements from Apple will tell. Most people would have said that 
> IOS
> 9 wouldn't have been supported on the 4S, but this obviously wasn't the case.
>
> On 30/11/15 23:00, kimmie parutu wrote:
>> How long do you think the 4S is going to handle future changes?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Tuesday, 1 December 2015 3:38 p.m.
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s
>>
>> The pace of advancement in computers has slowed down. It isn't true that a 
>> computer is obsolete in six months any more. That being said, the reason 
>> advancements in computers has slowed down is because the effort has moved to 
>> mobile devices. So what you say is still true for mobile devices.
>>
>> It's also a fallacy that newer operating systems mean older devices will run 
>> slower. This is true when new features are added and enough attention isn't 
>> paid to performance, but IOS 9 is a good example where this doesn't need to 
>> be the case. IOS 9 has breathed life into older devices such as the iPhone 
>> 4S. I've been using an iPhone 4S since it came out, and I never found that 
>> things took forever, but it did get a boost in performance when IOS 9 was 
>> released. That doesn't mean it isn't going to suffer when compared to a 
>> newer phone.
>>
>> On 30/11/15 15:52, Victor Gouveia wrote:
>>> It's the same as buying a computer.
>>>
>>> Remember that technology becomes obsolete within six months of it's 
>>> release, so, if you think of it in terms of a computer, it would be 
>>> the same as buying a two year-old computer, versus a computer that's 
>>> only one year-old.
>>>
>>> The younger computer has newer technology, and can therefore handle 
>>> the demands of the computer more easily than the older two year-old system.
>>>
>>> You might also have to think that the more advanced operating system 
>>> will have greater demands put on the device.
>>>
>>> So, when I first got my iPhone 4S, it was running iOS 6.0, and was 
>>> running much better than my older iPhone 3GS, but as more and more 
>>> iOS updates came along, the slower and more lagging my devices 
>>> became to the point that doing anything on my iPhone 4S takes forever.
>>>
>>> When I use my new iPhone 6S, the speed can't even compare to the 
>>> older 3GS, or the 4S.
>>>
>>> Good luck in what ever you choose to do.
>>>
>>>
>>> Victor Gouveia
>>> Vice-President
>>> Training Coordinator
>>> VIP Tech
>>> Tel: 1-888-640-6661
>>> Fax: 1-888-640-6669
>>> Home: victor.gouv...@rogers.com
>>> Work: viptrain...@rogers.com
>>> Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
>>> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:02 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s
>>>
>>> I wouldn't say significantly better, but that depends on how you 
>>> define significantly. It will be supported longer, it does have 
>>> better specs so it will perform a bit better, it has a larger screen 
>>> and a longer battery life. I'd suggest checking out the specs and reviews 
>>> on line.
>>>From an accessibility stand point, it's a wash, so you're making 
>>> the same decision any iPhone user would, blind or sighted.
>>>
>>> On 30/11/15 06:52, Tessa wrote:
>>>> T

Re: upgrading from 4s

[Christopher Chaltain]

True, and at that point I will consider upgrading, but to this point I 
don't regret hanging on to my iPhone 4S and the money I've saved each 
year. I do think though that people who don't use an iPhone 4S and just 
assume it's very sluggish and slow are doing other iPhone users a 
disservice.


On 01/12/15 18:56, kimmie parutu wrote:

Well it'll be behind the times soon.heheheheheh

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2015 1:46 p.m.
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

If you're talking about my iPhone 4S, I wouldn't say it was very sluggish or 
slow. Performance actually improved under IOS 9 and even some of the later 
updates to IOS 8. Obviously a newer phone with a faster processor will perform 
better, but I've never considered my iPhone 4S to be unusable.

On 01/12/15 06:03, kimmie parutu wrote:

It was probably very sluggish though and slow yeah?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2015 1:00 a.m.
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

I suspect it won't be supported after IOS 9, but only time and
announcements from Apple will tell. Most people would have said that
IOS
9 wouldn't have been supported on the 4S, but this obviously wasn't the case.

On 30/11/15 23:00, kimmie parutu wrote:

How long do you think the 4S is going to handle future changes?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, 1 December 2015 3:38 p.m.
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

The pace of advancement in computers has slowed down. It isn't true that a 
computer is obsolete in six months any more. That being said, the reason 
advancements in computers has slowed down is because the effort has moved to 
mobile devices. So what you say is still true for mobile devices.

It's also a fallacy that newer operating systems mean older devices will run 
slower. This is true when new features are added and enough attention isn't 
paid to performance, but IOS 9 is a good example where this doesn't need to be 
the case. IOS 9 has breathed life into older devices such as the iPhone 4S. 
I've been using an iPhone 4S since it came out, and I never found that things 
took forever, but it did get a boost in performance when IOS 9 was released. 
That doesn't mean it isn't going to suffer when compared to a newer phone.

On 30/11/15 15:52, Victor Gouveia wrote:

It's the same as buying a computer.

Remember that technology becomes obsolete within six months of it's
release, so, if you think of it in terms of a computer, it would be
the same as buying a two year-old computer, versus a computer that's
only one year-old.

The younger computer has newer technology, and can therefore handle
the demands of the computer more easily than the older two year-old system.

You might also have to think that the more advanced operating system
will have greater demands put on the device.

So, when I first got my iPhone 4S, it was running iOS 6.0, and was
running much better than my older iPhone 3GS, but as more and more
iOS updates came along, the slower and more lagging my devices
became to the point that doing anything on my iPhone 4S takes forever.

When I use my new iPhone 6S, the speed can't even compare to the
older 3GS, or the 4S.

Good luck in what ever you choose to do.


Victor Gouveia
Vice-President
Training Coordinator
VIP Tech
Tel: 1-888-640-6661
Fax: 1-888-640-6669
Home: victor.gouv...@rogers.com
Work: viptrain...@rogers.com
Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities

-Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

I wouldn't say significantly better, but that depends on how you
define significantly. It will be supported longer, it does have
better specs so it will perform a bit better, it has a larger screen
and a longer battery life. I'd suggest checking out the specs and reviews on 
line.
From an accessibility stand point, it's a wash, so you're making
the same decision any iPhone user would, blind or sighted.

On 30/11/15 06:52, Tessa wrote:

Thank you all for your comments.
I had gone to look at phones on the weekend and was told the 16gb
was all they could get shall have to ask more questions.

I guess what I was wondering is whether the 6 is signifficantly
better than the 5s, Thanks Tessa

- Original Message -
From: "Tessa" <tessa...@tbaytel.net>
To: "VIPhone" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 6:04 PM
Subject: upgrading from 4s


: Hi:
: My parents are buying me an iphone 5s for christmas. Is it
signifficantly
: better than the 4s I currently have or sho

Re: upgrading from 4s

[Christopher Chaltain]

I suspect it won't be supported after IOS 9, but only time and 
announcements from Apple will tell. Most people would have said that IOS 
9 wouldn't have been supported on the 4S, but this obviously wasn't the 
case.


On 30/11/15 23:00, kimmie parutu wrote:

How long do you think the 4S is going to handle future changes?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, 1 December 2015 3:38 p.m.
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

The pace of advancement in computers has slowed down. It isn't true that a 
computer is obsolete in six months any more. That being said, the reason 
advancements in computers has slowed down is because the effort has moved to 
mobile devices. So what you say is still true for mobile devices.

It's also a fallacy that newer operating systems mean older devices will run 
slower. This is true when new features are added and enough attention isn't 
paid to performance, but IOS 9 is a good example where this doesn't need to be 
the case. IOS 9 has breathed life into older devices such as the iPhone 4S. 
I've been using an iPhone 4S since it came out, and I never found that things 
took forever, but it did get a boost in performance when IOS 9 was released. 
That doesn't mean it isn't going to suffer when compared to a newer phone.

On 30/11/15 15:52, Victor Gouveia wrote:

It's the same as buying a computer.

Remember that technology becomes obsolete within six months of it's
release, so, if you think of it in terms of a computer, it would be
the same as buying a two year-old computer, versus a computer that's
only one year-old.

The younger computer has newer technology, and can therefore handle
the demands of the computer more easily than the older two year-old system.

You might also have to think that the more advanced operating system
will have greater demands put on the device.

So, when I first got my iPhone 4S, it was running iOS 6.0, and was
running much better than my older iPhone 3GS, but as more and more iOS
updates came along, the slower and more lagging my devices became to
the point that doing anything on my iPhone 4S takes forever.

When I use my new iPhone 6S, the speed can't even compare to the older
3GS, or the 4S.

Good luck in what ever you choose to do.


Victor Gouveia
Vice-President
Training Coordinator
VIP Tech
Tel: 1-888-640-6661
Fax: 1-888-640-6669
Home: victor.gouv...@rogers.com
Work: viptrain...@rogers.com
Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities

-Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

I wouldn't say significantly better, but that depends on how you
define significantly. It will be supported longer, it does have better
specs so it will perform a bit better, it has a larger screen and a
longer battery life. I'd suggest checking out the specs and reviews on line.
  From an accessibility stand point, it's a wash, so you're making the
same decision any iPhone user would, blind or sighted.

On 30/11/15 06:52, Tessa wrote:

Thank you all for your comments.
I had gone to look at phones on the weekend and was told the 16gb was
all they could get shall have to ask more questions.

I guess what I was wondering is whether the 6 is signifficantly
better than the 5s, Thanks Tessa

- Original Message -
From: "Tessa" <tessa...@tbaytel.net>
To: "VIPhone" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 6:04 PM
Subject: upgrading from 4s


: Hi:
: My parents are buying me an iphone 5s for christmas. Is it
signifficantly
: better than the 4s I currently have or should I shell out the extra
couple
: hundred for a newer model?
: I use my phone for calls of course but for mail limited music
assorted games
: and a few other things. I find for me siri and dictation in general
is wrong
: more often than right and so use it rarely and not sure if this is
vastly
: improved in newer models. I also use my phone to take pictures. I
do very
: limited internet as I find it slow and frustrating. Would the 5s be
a
: signifficant improvement or should I get something newer. I'm told
the 5s
: only comes in 16gb, I had been thinking of going 32 but can't
decide LOL.
: Any thoughts? Thanks.
: Tessa
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Re: upgrading from 4s

[Gerardo Corripio]

Let's hope this second-hand 4s can get maybe at least minimum a year and a half 
use! I want to get the most out of it! Here in Mexico going for the most recent 
IPhone model is expensive! And if I can, I wouldn't wamt to have to go back to 
ny Motoroloa G 2nd! But that's for another forum! Anyway, I'm hoping to get the 
most out of this 4s as possible!

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone

> El 01/12/2015, a las 1:38 a.m., 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
> <viphone@googlegroups.com> escribió:
> 
> I don't know, but think that by the end of this year people are going to have 
> to think seriously about upgrading. For me, I am glad I have made the move, 
> because my for S was getting a little slow and sluggish with speech. I don't 
> think it would be quite so bad for those who do not need voice-over. Anyway, 
> that's just a guess!
> 
> 
> 
> Carol P
> Sent from my iPhone using MBraille
> 
> On 1 Dec 2015, at 5:00 a.m., kimmie parutu <pegasu...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> 
> How long do you think the 4S is going to handle future changes?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Tuesday, 1 December 2015 3:38 p.m.
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s
> 
> The pace of advancement in computers has slowed down. It isn't true that a 
> computer is obsolete in six months any more. That being said, the reason 
> advancements in computers has slowed down is because the effort has moved to 
> mobile devices. So what you say is still true for mobile devices.
> 
> It's also a fallacy that newer operating systems mean older devices will run 
> slower. This is true when new features are added and enough attention isn't 
> paid to performance, but IOS 9 is a good example where this doesn't need to 
> be the case. IOS 9 has breathed life into older devices such as the iPhone 
> 4S. I've been using an iPhone 4S since it came out, and I never found that 
> things took forever, but it did get a boost in performance when IOS 9 was 
> released. That doesn't mean it isn't going to suffer when compared to a newer 
> phone.
> 
>> On 30/11/15 15:52, Victor Gouveia wrote:
>> It's the same as buying a computer.
>> 
>> Remember that technology becomes obsolete within six months of it's 
>> release, so, if you think of it in terms of a computer, it would be 
>> the same as buying a two year-old computer, versus a computer that's 
>> only one year-old.
>> 
>> The younger computer has newer technology, and can therefore handle 
>> the demands of the computer more easily than the older two year-old system.
>> 
>> You might also have to think that the more advanced operating system 
>> will have greater demands put on the device.
>> 
>> So, when I first got my iPhone 4S, it was running iOS 6.0, and was 
>> running much better than my older iPhone 3GS, but as more and more iOS 
>> updates came along, the slower and more lagging my devices became to 
>> the point that doing anything on my iPhone 4S takes forever.
>> 
>> When I use my new iPhone 6S, the speed can't even compare to the older 
>> 3GS, or the 4S.
>> 
>> Good luck in what ever you choose to do.
>> 
>> 
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>> -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:02 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s
>> 
>> I wouldn't say significantly better, but that depends on how you 
>> define significantly. It will be supported longer, it does have better 
>> specs so it will perform a bit better, it has a larger screen and a 
>> longer battery life. I'd suggest checking out the specs and reviews on line.
>> From an accessibility stand point, it's a wash, so you're making the 
>> same decision any iPhone user would, blind or sighted.
>> 
>>> On 30/11/15 06:52, Tessa wrote:
>>> Thank you all for your comments.
>>> I had gone to look at phones on the weekend and was told the 16gb was 
>>> all they could get shall have to ask more questions.
>>> 
>>> I guess what I was wondering is whether the 6 is signifficantly 
>>> better than the 5s, Thanks Tessa
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Tessa" <tessa...@tbaytel.net>
>>> To: "VIPhone" <

RE: upgrading from 4s

[kimmie parutu]

It was probably very sluggish though and slow yeah?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2015 1:00 a.m.
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

I suspect it won't be supported after IOS 9, but only time and announcements 
from Apple will tell. Most people would have said that IOS
9 wouldn't have been supported on the 4S, but this obviously wasn't the case.

On 30/11/15 23:00, kimmie parutu wrote:
> How long do you think the 4S is going to handle future changes?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Tuesday, 1 December 2015 3:38 p.m.
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s
>
> The pace of advancement in computers has slowed down. It isn't true that a 
> computer is obsolete in six months any more. That being said, the reason 
> advancements in computers has slowed down is because the effort has moved to 
> mobile devices. So what you say is still true for mobile devices.
>
> It's also a fallacy that newer operating systems mean older devices will run 
> slower. This is true when new features are added and enough attention isn't 
> paid to performance, but IOS 9 is a good example where this doesn't need to 
> be the case. IOS 9 has breathed life into older devices such as the iPhone 
> 4S. I've been using an iPhone 4S since it came out, and I never found that 
> things took forever, but it did get a boost in performance when IOS 9 was 
> released. That doesn't mean it isn't going to suffer when compared to a newer 
> phone.
>
> On 30/11/15 15:52, Victor Gouveia wrote:
>> It's the same as buying a computer.
>>
>> Remember that technology becomes obsolete within six months of it's 
>> release, so, if you think of it in terms of a computer, it would be 
>> the same as buying a two year-old computer, versus a computer that's 
>> only one year-old.
>>
>> The younger computer has newer technology, and can therefore handle 
>> the demands of the computer more easily than the older two year-old system.
>>
>> You might also have to think that the more advanced operating system 
>> will have greater demands put on the device.
>>
>> So, when I first got my iPhone 4S, it was running iOS 6.0, and was 
>> running much better than my older iPhone 3GS, but as more and more 
>> iOS updates came along, the slower and more lagging my devices became 
>> to the point that doing anything on my iPhone 4S takes forever.
>>
>> When I use my new iPhone 6S, the speed can't even compare to the 
>> older 3GS, or the 4S.
>>
>> Good luck in what ever you choose to do.
>>
>>
>> Victor Gouveia
>> Vice-President
>> Training Coordinator
>> VIP Tech
>> Tel: 1-888-640-6661
>> Fax: 1-888-640-6669
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>>
>> -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:02 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s
>>
>> I wouldn't say significantly better, but that depends on how you 
>> define significantly. It will be supported longer, it does have 
>> better specs so it will perform a bit better, it has a larger screen 
>> and a longer battery life. I'd suggest checking out the specs and reviews on 
>> line.
>>   From an accessibility stand point, it's a wash, so you're making 
>> the same decision any iPhone user would, blind or sighted.
>>
>> On 30/11/15 06:52, Tessa wrote:
>>> Thank you all for your comments.
>>> I had gone to look at phones on the weekend and was told the 16gb 
>>> was all they could get shall have to ask more questions.
>>>
>>> I guess what I was wondering is whether the 6 is signifficantly 
>>> better than the 5s, Thanks Tessa
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Tessa" <tessa...@tbaytel.net>
>>> To: "VIPhone" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 6:04 PM
>>> Subject: upgrading from 4s
>>>
>>>
>>> : Hi:
>>> : My parents are buying me an iphone 5s for christmas. Is it 
>>> signifficantly
>>> : better than the 4s I currently have or should I shell out the 
>>> extra couple
>>> : hundred for a newer model?
>>> : I use my phone for calls of course but for mail l

Re: upgrading from 4s

[Robin]

Didn't Apple Retire its Apple iPhone4S LastYear (September2014? But 
for some StrangeReason it was Lucky to Receive ThisYear's iOSUpDate 
... I'm Referrin'To iOS9


Personally, I think Apple allowed the iPhone4S to Receive iOS9 
PrimarilyBecause it wasn't SlatedTo Contain many Bells, it 
was regarded as a SecurityUpDate to SmoothOut the Bugs that 
were AssociatedWith its previous iOSUpDate (Referrin'To iOS8)


Did Apple announce the Retirement of its Apple iPhone5 either IN 
June2015 OR September2015?If not, it will probably Receive iOS10


Guess TimeWillTell
At 04:00 AM 12/1/2015, you wrote:
I suspect it won't be supported after IOS 9, but only time and 
announcements from Apple will tell. Most people would have said that 
IOS 9 wouldn't have been supported on the 4S, but this obviously 
wasn't the case.


On 30/11/15 23:00, kimmie parutu wrote:

How long do you think the 4S is going to handle future changes?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain

Sent: Tuesday, 1 December 2015 3:38 p.m.
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

The pace of advancement in computers has slowed down. It isn't true 
that a computer is obsolete in six months any more. That being 
said, the reason advancements in computers has slowed down is 
because the effort has moved to mobile devices. So what you say is 
still true for mobile devices.


It's also a fallacy that newer operating systems mean older devices 
will run slower. This is true when new features are added and 
enough attention isn't paid to performance, but IOS 9 is a good 
example where this doesn't need to be the case. IOS 9 has breathed 
life into older devices such as the iPhone 4S. I've been using an 
iPhone 4S since it came out, and I never found that things took 
forever, but it did get a boost in performance when IOS 9 was 
released. That doesn't mean it isn't going to suffer when compared 
to a newer phone.


On 30/11/15 15:52, Victor Gouveia wrote:

It's the same as buying a computer.

Remember that technology becomes obsolete within six months of it's
release, so, if you think of it in terms of a computer, it would be
the same as buying a two year-old computer, versus a computer that's
only one year-old.

The younger computer has newer technology, and can therefore handle
the demands of the computer more easily than the older two year-old system.

You might also have to think that the more advanced operating system
will have greater demands put on the device.

So, when I first got my iPhone 4S, it was running iOS 6.0, and was
running much better than my older iPhone 3GS, but as more and more iOS
updates came along, the slower and more lagging my devices became to
the point that doing anything on my iPhone 4S takes forever.

When I use my new iPhone 6S, the speed can't even compare to the older
3GS, or the 4S.

Good luck in what ever you choose to do.


Victor Gouveia
Vice-President
Training Coordinator
VIP Tech
Tel: 1-888-640-6661
Fax: 1-888-640-6669
Home: victor.gouv...@rogers.com
Work: viptrain...@rogers.com
Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities

-Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

I wouldn't say significantly better, but that depends on how you
define significantly. It will be supported longer, it does have better
specs so it will perform a bit better, it has a larger screen and a
longer battery life. I'd suggest checking out the specs and reviews on line.
  From an accessibility stand point, it's a wash, so you're making the
same decision any iPhone user would, blind or sighted.

On 30/11/15 06:52, Tessa wrote:

Thank you all for your comments.
I had gone to look at phones on the weekend and was told the 16gb was
all they could get shall have to ask more questions.

I guess what I was wondering is whether the 6 is signifficantly
better than the 5s, Thanks Tessa

- Original Message -
From: "Tessa" <tessa...@tbaytel.net>
To: "VIPhone" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 6:04 PM
Subject: upgrading from 4s


: Hi:
: My parents are buying me an iphone 5s for christmas. Is it
signifficantly
: better than the 4s I currently have or should I shell out the extra
couple
: hundred for a newer model?
: I use my phone for calls of course but for mail limited music
assorted games
: and a few other things. I find for me siri and dictation in general
is wrong
: more often than right and so use it rarely and not sure if this is
vastly
: improved in newer models. I also use my phone to take pictures. I
do very
: limited internet as I find it slow and frustrating. Would the 5s be
a
: signifficant improvement or should I get something newer. I'm told
the 5s
: only comes in 16gb, I had been thinking of going 32 but can't
decide LOL.
: Any thoughts? Thanks.
: Tessa
:
:
: -

Re: upgrading from 4s

[Victor Gouveia]

It's the same as buying a computer.

Remember that technology becomes obsolete within six months of it's release, 
so, if you think of it in terms of a computer, it would be the same as 
buying a two year-old computer, versus a computer that's only one year-old.


The younger computer has newer technology, and can therefore handle the 
demands of the computer more easily than the older two year-old system.


You might also have to think that the more advanced operating system will 
have greater demands put on the device.


So, when I first got my iPhone 4S, it was running iOS 6.0, and was running 
much better than my older iPhone 3GS, but as more and more iOS updates came 
along, the slower and more lagging my devices became to the point that doing 
anything on my iPhone 4S takes forever.


When I use my new iPhone 6S, the speed can't even compare to the older 3GS, 
or the 4S.


Good luck in what ever you choose to do.


Victor Gouveia
Vice-President
Training Coordinator
VIP Tech
Tel: 1-888-640-6661
Fax: 1-888-640-6669
Home: victor.gouv...@rogers.com
Work: viptrain...@rogers.com
Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities

-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Chaltain

Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

I wouldn't say significantly better, but that depends on how you define
significantly. It will be supported longer, it does have better specs so
it will perform a bit better, it has a larger screen and a longer
battery life. I'd suggest checking out the specs and reviews on line.

From an accessibility stand point, it's a wash, so you're making the

same decision any iPhone user would, blind or sighted.

On 30/11/15 06:52, Tessa wrote:

Thank you all for your comments.
I had gone to look at phones on the weekend and was told the 16gb was all
they could get shall have to ask more questions.

I guess what I was wondering is whether the 6 is signifficantly better 
than

the 5s,
Thanks
Tessa

- Original Message -
From: "Tessa" <tessa...@tbaytel.net>
To: "VIPhone" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 6:04 PM
Subject: upgrading from 4s


: Hi:
: My parents are buying me an iphone 5s for christmas. Is it 
signifficantly
: better than the 4s I currently have or should I shell out the extra 
couple

: hundred for a newer model?
: I use my phone for calls of course but for mail limited music assorted
games
: and a few other things. I find for me siri and dictation in general is
wrong
: more often than right and so use it rarely and not sure if this is 
vastly
: improved in newer models. I also use my phone to take pictures. I do 
very

: limited internet as I find it slow and frustrating. Would the 5s be a
: signifficant improvement or should I get something newer. I'm told the 
5s
: only comes in 16gb, I had been thinking of going 32 but can't decide 
LOL.

: Any thoughts? Thanks.
: Tessa
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Re: upgrading from 4s

[englishrider91]

I wholeheartedly agree with this, especially given the phenomenon of apps 
getting bigger lately. I have a 16 gig 4S right now, and I'm constantly 
deleting and re-downloading things to make room for Audible or BARD books. I 
can't wait to get either the 64 gig or 128 gig 6S.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Nov 29, 2015, at 9:06 PM, Cristóbal <crismuno...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Financial situation aside, avoid the 16 GB model like you would avoid spoiled 
> fish at this point. I wouldn’t suggest you overextending yourself soly to get 
> a higher capacity device, but if it’s possible for you or for whoever is 
> getting you the phone, go for at least 32 GB if you can.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> joseph hudson
> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 3:20 PM
> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
> Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s
>  
> Hello,. There is a 16, a 32 and a 64 and the 5S. So you are correct.
> Joseph Hudson
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> On Nov 29, 2015, at 5:16 PM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>  
> Hello,
> I'm also looking at the 5s. It is 16 GB, but that's the basic. I think 
> there's 64 GB, though, could be wrong.
> 
> Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors. 
> 
> 
> On 29 Nov 2015, at 11:04 p.m., Tessa <tessa...@tbaytel.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> My parents are buying me an iphone 5s for christmas. Is it signifficantly 
> better than the 4s I currently have or should I shell out the extra couple 
> hundred for a newer model?
> I use my phone for calls of course but for mail limited music assorted games 
> and a few other things. I find for me siri and dictation in general is wrong 
> more often than right and so use it rarely and not sure if this is vastly 
> improved in newer models. I also use my phone to take pictures. I do very 
> limited internet as I find it slow and frustrating. Would the 5s be a 
> signifficant improvement or should I get something newer. I'm told the 5s 
> only comes in 16gb, I had been thinking of going 32 but can't decide LOL.
> Any thoughts? Thanks.
> Tessa 
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Re: upgrading from 4s

[Christopher Chaltain]

The pace of advancement in computers has slowed down. It isn't true that 
a computer is obsolete in six months any more. That being said, the 
reason advancements in computers has slowed down is because the effort 
has moved to mobile devices. So what you say is still true for mobile 
devices.


It's also a fallacy that newer operating systems mean older devices will 
run slower. This is true when new features are added and enough 
attention isn't paid to performance, but IOS 9 is a good example where 
this doesn't need to be the case. IOS 9 has breathed life into older 
devices such as the iPhone 4S. I've been using an iPhone 4S since it 
came out, and I never found that things took forever, but it did get a 
boost in performance when IOS 9 was released. That doesn't mean it isn't 
going to suffer when compared to a newer phone.


On 30/11/15 15:52, Victor Gouveia wrote:

It's the same as buying a computer.

Remember that technology becomes obsolete within six months of it's
release, so, if you think of it in terms of a computer, it would be the
same as buying a two year-old computer, versus a computer that's only
one year-old.

The younger computer has newer technology, and can therefore handle the
demands of the computer more easily than the older two year-old system.

You might also have to think that the more advanced operating system
will have greater demands put on the device.

So, when I first got my iPhone 4S, it was running iOS 6.0, and was
running much better than my older iPhone 3GS, but as more and more iOS
updates came along, the slower and more lagging my devices became to the
point that doing anything on my iPhone 4S takes forever.

When I use my new iPhone 6S, the speed can't even compare to the older
3GS, or the 4S.

Good luck in what ever you choose to do.


Victor Gouveia
Vice-President
Training Coordinator
VIP Tech
Tel: 1-888-640-6661
Fax: 1-888-640-6669
Home: victor.gouv...@rogers.com
Work: viptrain...@rogers.com
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-Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

I wouldn't say significantly better, but that depends on how you define
significantly. It will be supported longer, it does have better specs so
it will perform a bit better, it has a larger screen and a longer
battery life. I'd suggest checking out the specs and reviews on line.
 From an accessibility stand point, it's a wash, so you're making the
same decision any iPhone user would, blind or sighted.

On 30/11/15 06:52, Tessa wrote:

Thank you all for your comments.
I had gone to look at phones on the weekend and was told the 16gb was all
they could get shall have to ask more questions.

I guess what I was wondering is whether the 6 is signifficantly better
than
the 5s,
Thanks
Tessa

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To: "VIPhone" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 6:04 PM
Subject: upgrading from 4s


: Hi:
: My parents are buying me an iphone 5s for christmas. Is it
signifficantly
: better than the 4s I currently have or should I shell out the extra
couple
: hundred for a newer model?
: I use my phone for calls of course but for mail limited music assorted
games
: and a few other things. I find for me siri and dictation in general is
wrong
: more often than right and so use it rarely and not sure if this is
vastly
: improved in newer models. I also use my phone to take pictures. I do
very
: limited internet as I find it slow and frustrating. Would the 5s be a
: signifficant improvement or should I get something newer. I'm told
the 5s
: only comes in 16gb, I had been thinking of going 32 but can't decide
LOL.
: Any thoughts? Thanks.
: Tessa
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RE: upgrading from 4s

[kimmie parutu]

How long do you think the 4S is going to handle future changes?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, 1 December 2015 3:38 p.m.
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

The pace of advancement in computers has slowed down. It isn't true that a 
computer is obsolete in six months any more. That being said, the reason 
advancements in computers has slowed down is because the effort has moved to 
mobile devices. So what you say is still true for mobile devices.

It's also a fallacy that newer operating systems mean older devices will run 
slower. This is true when new features are added and enough attention isn't 
paid to performance, but IOS 9 is a good example where this doesn't need to be 
the case. IOS 9 has breathed life into older devices such as the iPhone 4S. 
I've been using an iPhone 4S since it came out, and I never found that things 
took forever, but it did get a boost in performance when IOS 9 was released. 
That doesn't mean it isn't going to suffer when compared to a newer phone.

On 30/11/15 15:52, Victor Gouveia wrote:
> It's the same as buying a computer.
>
> Remember that technology becomes obsolete within six months of it's 
> release, so, if you think of it in terms of a computer, it would be 
> the same as buying a two year-old computer, versus a computer that's 
> only one year-old.
>
> The younger computer has newer technology, and can therefore handle 
> the demands of the computer more easily than the older two year-old system.
>
> You might also have to think that the more advanced operating system 
> will have greater demands put on the device.
>
> So, when I first got my iPhone 4S, it was running iOS 6.0, and was 
> running much better than my older iPhone 3GS, but as more and more iOS 
> updates came along, the slower and more lagging my devices became to 
> the point that doing anything on my iPhone 4S takes forever.
>
> When I use my new iPhone 6S, the speed can't even compare to the older 
> 3GS, or the 4S.
>
> Good luck in what ever you choose to do.
>
>
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> -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:02 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s
>
> I wouldn't say significantly better, but that depends on how you 
> define significantly. It will be supported longer, it does have better 
> specs so it will perform a bit better, it has a larger screen and a 
> longer battery life. I'd suggest checking out the specs and reviews on line.
>  From an accessibility stand point, it's a wash, so you're making the 
> same decision any iPhone user would, blind or sighted.
>
> On 30/11/15 06:52, Tessa wrote:
>> Thank you all for your comments.
>> I had gone to look at phones on the weekend and was told the 16gb was 
>> all they could get shall have to ask more questions.
>>
>> I guess what I was wondering is whether the 6 is signifficantly 
>> better than the 5s, Thanks Tessa
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Tessa" <tessa...@tbaytel.net>
>> To: "VIPhone" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 6:04 PM
>> Subject: upgrading from 4s
>>
>>
>> : Hi:
>> : My parents are buying me an iphone 5s for christmas. Is it 
>> signifficantly
>> : better than the 4s I currently have or should I shell out the extra 
>> couple
>> : hundred for a newer model?
>> : I use my phone for calls of course but for mail limited music 
>> assorted games
>> : and a few other things. I find for me siri and dictation in general 
>> is wrong
>> : more often than right and so use it rarely and not sure if this is 
>> vastly
>> : improved in newer models. I also use my phone to take pictures. I 
>> do very
>> : limited internet as I find it slow and frustrating. Would the 5s be 
>> a
>> : signifficant improvement or should I get something newer. I'm told 
>> the 5s
>> : only comes in 16gb, I had been thinking of going 32 but can't 
>> decide LOL.
>> : Any thoughts? Thanks.
>> : Tessa
>> :
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Re: upgrading from 4s

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

I don't know, but think that by the end of this year people are going to have 
to think seriously about upgrading. For me, I am glad I have made the move, 
because my for S was getting a little slow and sluggish with speech. I don't 
think it would be quite so bad for those who do not need voice-over. Anyway, 
that's just a guess!



Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 1 Dec 2015, at 5:00 a.m., kimmie parutu <pegasu...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

How long do you think the 4S is going to handle future changes?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, 1 December 2015 3:38 p.m.
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

The pace of advancement in computers has slowed down. It isn't true that a 
computer is obsolete in six months any more. That being said, the reason 
advancements in computers has slowed down is because the effort has moved to 
mobile devices. So what you say is still true for mobile devices.

It's also a fallacy that newer operating systems mean older devices will run 
slower. This is true when new features are added and enough attention isn't 
paid to performance, but IOS 9 is a good example where this doesn't need to be 
the case. IOS 9 has breathed life into older devices such as the iPhone 4S. 
I've been using an iPhone 4S since it came out, and I never found that things 
took forever, but it did get a boost in performance when IOS 9 was released. 
That doesn't mean it isn't going to suffer when compared to a newer phone.

> On 30/11/15 15:52, Victor Gouveia wrote:
> It's the same as buying a computer.
> 
> Remember that technology becomes obsolete within six months of it's 
> release, so, if you think of it in terms of a computer, it would be 
> the same as buying a two year-old computer, versus a computer that's 
> only one year-old.
> 
> The younger computer has newer technology, and can therefore handle 
> the demands of the computer more easily than the older two year-old system.
> 
> You might also have to think that the more advanced operating system 
> will have greater demands put on the device.
> 
> So, when I first got my iPhone 4S, it was running iOS 6.0, and was 
> running much better than my older iPhone 3GS, but as more and more iOS 
> updates came along, the slower and more lagging my devices became to 
> the point that doing anything on my iPhone 4S takes forever.
> 
> When I use my new iPhone 6S, the speed can't even compare to the older 
> 3GS, or the 4S.
> 
> Good luck in what ever you choose to do.
> 
> 
> Victor Gouveia
> Vice-President
> Training Coordinator
> VIP Tech
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> 
> -Original Message----- From: Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:02 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s
> 
> I wouldn't say significantly better, but that depends on how you 
> define significantly. It will be supported longer, it does have better 
> specs so it will perform a bit better, it has a larger screen and a 
> longer battery life. I'd suggest checking out the specs and reviews on line.
> From an accessibility stand point, it's a wash, so you're making the 
> same decision any iPhone user would, blind or sighted.
> 
>> On 30/11/15 06:52, Tessa wrote:
>> Thank you all for your comments.
>> I had gone to look at phones on the weekend and was told the 16gb was 
>> all they could get shall have to ask more questions.
>> 
>> I guess what I was wondering is whether the 6 is signifficantly 
>> better than the 5s, Thanks Tessa
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Tessa" <tessa...@tbaytel.net>
>> To: "VIPhone" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 6:04 PM
>> Subject: upgrading from 4s
>> 
>> 
>> : Hi:
>> : My parents are buying me an iphone 5s for christmas. Is it 
>> signifficantly
>> : better than the 4s I currently have or should I shell out the extra 
>> couple
>> : hundred for a newer model?
>> : I use my phone for calls of course but for mail limited music 
>> assorted games
>> : and a few other things. I find for me siri and dictation in general 
>> is wrong
>> : more often than right and so use it rarely and not sure if this is 
>> vastly
>> : improved in newer models. I also use my phone to take pictures. I 
>> do very
>> : limited internet as I find it slow and frustrating. Would the 5s be 
>> a
>> : signifficant improvement or should I get something newe

Re: upgrading from 4s

[Tessa]

Thank you all for your comments.
I had gone to look at phones on the weekend and was told the 16gb was all 
they could get shall have to ask more questions.

I guess what I was wondering is whether the 6 is signifficantly better than 
the 5s,
Thanks
Tessa

- Original Message - 
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To: "VIPhone" 
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 6:04 PM
Subject: upgrading from 4s


: Hi:
: My parents are buying me an iphone 5s for christmas. Is it signifficantly
: better than the 4s I currently have or should I shell out the extra couple
: hundred for a newer model?
: I use my phone for calls of course but for mail limited music assorted 
games
: and a few other things. I find for me siri and dictation in general is 
wrong
: more often than right and so use it rarely and not sure if this is vastly
: improved in newer models. I also use my phone to take pictures. I do very
: limited internet as I find it slow and frustrating. Would the 5s be a
: signifficant improvement or should I get something newer. I'm told the 5s
: only comes in 16gb, I had been thinking of going 32 but can't decide LOL.
: Any thoughts? Thanks.
: Tessa
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Re: upgrading from 4s

[Christopher Chaltain]

I wouldn't say significantly better, but that depends on how you define 
significantly. It will be supported longer, it does have better specs so 
it will perform a bit better, it has a larger screen and a longer 
battery life. I'd suggest checking out the specs and reviews on line. 
From an accessibility stand point, it's a wash, so you're making the 
same decision any iPhone user would, blind or sighted.


On 30/11/15 06:52, Tessa wrote:

Thank you all for your comments.
I had gone to look at phones on the weekend and was told the 16gb was all
they could get shall have to ask more questions.

I guess what I was wondering is whether the 6 is signifficantly better than
the 5s,
Thanks
Tessa

- Original Message -
From: "Tessa" 
To: "VIPhone" 
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 6:04 PM
Subject: upgrading from 4s


: Hi:
: My parents are buying me an iphone 5s for christmas. Is it signifficantly
: better than the 4s I currently have or should I shell out the extra couple
: hundred for a newer model?
: I use my phone for calls of course but for mail limited music assorted
games
: and a few other things. I find for me siri and dictation in general is
wrong
: more often than right and so use it rarely and not sure if this is vastly
: improved in newer models. I also use my phone to take pictures. I do very
: limited internet as I find it slow and frustrating. Would the 5s be a
: signifficant improvement or should I get something newer. I'm told the 5s
: only comes in 16gb, I had been thinking of going 32 but can't decide LOL.
: Any thoughts? Thanks.
: Tessa
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Re: upgrading from 4s

[rajmund]

Hello,
I'm also looking at the 5s. It is 16 GB, but that's the basic. I think there's 
64 GB, though, could be wrong.

Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors. 

> On 29 Nov 2015, at 11:04 p.m., Tessa  wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> My parents are buying me an iphone 5s for christmas. Is it signifficantly 
> better than the 4s I currently have or should I shell out the extra couple 
> hundred for a newer model?
> I use my phone for calls of course but for mail limited music assorted games 
> and a few other things. I find for me siri and dictation in general is wrong 
> more often than right and so use it rarely and not sure if this is vastly 
> improved in newer models. I also use my phone to take pictures. I do very 
> limited internet as I find it slow and frustrating. Would the 5s be a 
> signifficant improvement or should I get something newer. I'm told the 5s 
> only comes in 16gb, I had been thinking of going 32 but can't decide LOL.
> Any thoughts? Thanks.
> Tessa 
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Re: upgrading from 4s

[joseph hudson]

For everything you've listed below it should work fine. I'm currently running 
one of those right now on the latest software updates.
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> On Nov 29, 2015, at 5:04 PM, Tessa  wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> My parents are buying me an iphone 5s for christmas. Is it signifficantly 
> better than the 4s I currently have or should I shell out the extra couple 
> hundred for a newer model?
> I use my phone for calls of course but for mail limited music assorted games 
> and a few other things. I find for me siri and dictation in general is wrong 
> more often than right and so use it rarely and not sure if this is vastly 
> improved in newer models. I also use my phone to take pictures. I do very 
> limited internet as I find it slow and frustrating. Would the 5s be a 
> signifficant improvement or should I get something newer. I'm told the 5s 
> only comes in 16gb, I had been thinking of going 32 but can't decide LOL.
> Any thoughts? Thanks.
> Tessa 
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Re: upgrading from 4s

[joseph hudson]

Hello,. There is a 16, a 32 and a 64 and the 5S. So you are correct.
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> On Nov 29, 2015, at 5:16 PM, rajmund  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I'm also looking at the 5s. It is 16 GB, but that's the basic. I think 
> there's 64 GB, though, could be wrong.
> 
> Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors. 
> 
>> On 29 Nov 2015, at 11:04 p.m., Tessa  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi:
>> My parents are buying me an iphone 5s for christmas. Is it signifficantly 
>> better than the 4s I currently have or should I shell out the extra couple 
>> hundred for a newer model?
>> I use my phone for calls of course but for mail limited music assorted games 
>> and a few other things. I find for me siri and dictation in general is wrong 
>> more often than right and so use it rarely and not sure if this is vastly 
>> improved in newer models. I also use my phone to take pictures. I do very 
>> limited internet as I find it slow and frustrating. Would the 5s be a 
>> signifficant improvement or should I get something newer. I'm told the 5s 
>> only comes in 16gb, I had been thinking of going 32 but can't decide LOL.
>> Any thoughts? Thanks.
>> Tessa 
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Re: upgrading from 4s

[Alex Stone]

Yes it is, if you want more information I'm more than happy to discuss 
with you off list. My first iPhone was a four and my second a 5s, which 
to be honest was ten times better, I also moved from an 8gb 4 to a 16gb 
5s which helped a lot. For the past year I've had a 128 gb 6s which is 
even better.


On 29/11/2015 23:04, Tessa wrote:

Hi:
My parents are buying me an iphone 5s for christmas. Is it signifficantly
better than the 4s I currently have or should I shell out the extra couple
hundred for a newer model?
I use my phone for calls of course but for mail limited music assorted games
and a few other things. I find for me siri and dictation in general is wrong
more often than right and so use it rarely and not sure if this is vastly
improved in newer models. I also use my phone to take pictures. I do very
limited internet as I find it slow and frustrating. Would the 5s be a
signifficant improvement or should I get something newer. I'm told the 5s
only comes in 16gb, I had been thinking of going 32 but can't decide LOL.
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RE: upgrading from 4s

[kimmie parutu]

It's much better than the 4S. and that was the phone that started off the thumb 
or fingerprint for another means of password.

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Hi:
My parents are buying me an iphone 5s for christmas. Is it signifficantly 
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hundred for a newer model?
I use my phone for calls of course but for mail limited music assorted games 
and a few other things. I find for me siri and dictation in general is wrong 
more often than right and so use it rarely and not sure if this is vastly 
improved in newer models. I also use my phone to take pictures. I do very 
limited internet as I find it slow and frustrating. Would the 5s be a 
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Re: upgrading from 4s

[Alex Stone]

Yes it was.

On 30/11/2015 00:28, kimmie parutu wrote:

It's much better than the 4S. and that was the phone that started off the thumb 
or fingerprint for another means of password.

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Subject: upgrading from 4s

Hi:
My parents are buying me an iphone 5s for christmas. Is it signifficantly 
better than the 4s I currently have or should I shell out the extra couple 
hundred for a newer model?
I use my phone for calls of course but for mail limited music assorted games 
and a few other things. I find for me siri and dictation in general is wrong 
more often than right and so use it rarely and not sure if this is vastly 
improved in newer models. I also use my phone to take pictures. I do very 
limited internet as I find it slow and frustrating. Would the 5s be a 
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comes in 16gb, I had been thinking of going 32 but can't decide LOL.
Any thoughts? Thanks.
Tessa


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RE: upgrading from 4s

[Cristóbal]

Financial situation aside, avoid the 16 GB model like you would avoid spoiled 
fish at this point. I wouldn’t suggest you overextending yourself soly to get a 
higher capacity device, but if it’s possible for you or for whoever is getting 
you the phone, go for at least 32 GB if you can.

 

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Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 3:20 PM
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Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

 

Hello,. There is a 16, a 32 and a 64 and the 5S. So you are correct.

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Hello,
I'm also looking at the 5s. It is 16 GB, but that's the basic. I think there's 
64 GB, though, could be wrong.

Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors. 




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Hi:
My parents are buying me an iphone 5s for christmas. Is it signifficantly 
better than the 4s I currently have or should I shell out the extra couple 
hundred for a newer model?
I use my phone for calls of course but for mail limited music assorted games 
and a few other things. I find for me siri and dictation in general is wrong 
more often than right and so use it rarely and not sure if this is vastly 
improved in newer models. I also use my phone to take pictures. I do very 
limited internet as I find it slow and frustrating. Would the 5s be a 
signifficant improvement or should I get something newer. I'm told the 5s 
only comes in 16gb, I had been thinking of going 32 but can't decide LOL.
Any thoughts? Thanks.
Tessa 


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Re: upgrading from 4s

[Alex Stone]

How are you gonna pay for it without a card, or do mummy and daddy have 
to come up with the goods?


On 29/11/2015 23:16, rajmund wrote:

Hello,
I'm also looking at the 5s. It is 16 GB, but that's the basic. I think there's 
64 GB, though, could be wrong.

Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors.


On 29 Nov 2015, at 11:04 p.m., Tessa  wrote:

Hi:
My parents are buying me an iphone 5s for christmas. Is it signifficantly
better than the 4s I currently have or should I shell out the extra couple
hundred for a newer model?
I use my phone for calls of course but for mail limited music assorted games
and a few other things. I find for me siri and dictation in general is wrong
more often than right and so use it rarely and not sure if this is vastly
improved in newer models. I also use my phone to take pictures. I do very
limited internet as I find it slow and frustrating. Would the 5s be a
signifficant improvement or should I get something newer. I'm told the 5s
only comes in 16gb, I had been thinking of going 32 but can't decide LOL.
Any thoughts? Thanks.
Tessa


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Re: Upgrading from 4s to 5s

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Debbie,

Connectg your phone to your computer and find it in iTunes. Be sure the Summary 
radio button is checked. As you move through the summary information, you'll 
come to backup options. One is a check box for encrypted backups. Check the box 
and enter a password when prompted. You'll need this password to restore from 
the backup. Now whenever you do a backup on your computer, it will be an 
encrypted backup.

Best,
Anna



On Mar 11, 2014, at 4:52 PM, Debbie Downey debdow...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:

 HI raul,
  
 You mentioned encrypting your backup so that your passwords will be restored 
 when upgrading to a new Iphone. Can you tell me how you do this or where this 
 option can be found in ITunes? I've mentioned this to a few people and noone 
 has ever heard of doing this.
  
 Debbie
 Thank you!
  

 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 OfRaul A. Gallegos
 Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 11:31 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Upgrading from 4s to 5s
 
 Hi, the capacity makes no difference and the model makes no difference. So, 
 feel free to restore away. One thing which helped me is encryping my backup 
 in iTunes. If your backup is encrypted, your email passwords, and I think 
 wi-fi passwords are also restored when you get your new iPhone restored from 
 the 4s image.
 
 Hope this helps.
 
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 Hello everyone!
 I am getting an iPhone 5s to replace my iPhone 4s.  I know if I get a new 
 iPhone 4s, I can restore the new phone from an upgrade stored on my 
 computer.  I have to ask, though, does this work the same way when going 
 from a 4s to a 5s?  Also, my 4s is a 16Gb, and my new 5s is a 32Gb - does 
 that make any difference?
 Thanks for your help!
 Jerry White
 Alumni Council
 Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc® and America's VetDogs®, The 
 Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc® Providing Second Sight® since 1946
 371 E. Jericho Turnpike
 Smithtown, NY 11787
 Consumer Services Office: 866-282-8047
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 E-Mail: midwa...@surry.net
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RE: Upgrading from 4s to 5s

[Debbie Downey]

HI Anna,

Thank you for this information; just one more question; the password that I
enter, should that be the same password that is associated with my Apple ID?


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 11:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Upgrading from 4s to 5s

Hi Debbie,

Connectg your phone to your computer and find it in iTunes. Be sure the
Summary radio button is checked. As you move through the summary
information, you'll come to backup options. One is a check box for encrypted
backups. Check the box and enter a password when prompted. You'll need this
password to restore from the backup. Now whenever you do a backup on your
computer, it will be an encrypted backup.

Best,
Anna



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wrote:

 HI raul,
  
 You mentioned encrypting your backup so that your passwords will be
restored when upgrading to a new Iphone. Can you tell me how you do this or
where this option can be found in ITunes? I've mentioned this to a few
people and noone has ever heard of doing this.
  
 Debbie
 Thank you!
  

 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf OfRaul A. Gallegos
 Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 11:31 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Upgrading from 4s to 5s
 
 Hi, the capacity makes no difference and the model makes no difference.
So, feel free to restore away. One thing which helped me is encryping my
backup in iTunes. If your backup is encrypted, your email passwords, and I
think wi-fi passwords are also restored when you get your new iPhone
restored from the 4s image.
 
 Hope this helps.
 
 ---
 Sent from Raul's rectangular glass - 832.554.7285 Please excuse any 
 auto complete or dictation weirdness.
 
 On Mar 9, 2014, at 9:48 PM, Jerry White midwa...@surry.net wrote:
 
 Hello everyone!
 I am getting an iPhone 5s to replace my iPhone 4s.  I know if I get a new
iPhone 4s, I can restore the new phone from an upgrade stored on my
computer.  I have to ask, though, does this work the same way when going
from a 4s to a 5s?  Also, my 4s is a 16Gb, and my new 5s is a 32Gb - does
that make any difference?
 Thanks for your help!
 Jerry White
 Alumni Council
 Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, IncR and America's VetDogsR, The 
 Veteran's K-9 Corps IncR Providing Second SightR since 1946
 371 E. Jericho Turnpike
 Smithtown, NY 11787
 Consumer Services Office: 866-282-8047 Fax 631-930-9009
 E-Mail: midwa...@surry.net
 Cell: 336-756-0970
 To make a donation that can change a life...
 Contact the Guide Dog FoundationR
 at www.guidedog.org
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Re: Upgrading from 4s to 5s

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Debbie,

The password can be anything you like. Pick something you'll remember.

Best,
Anna



On Mar 12, 2014, at 10:16 AM, Debbie Downey debdow...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:

 HI Anna,
 
 Thank you for this information; just one more question; the password that I
 enter, should that be the same password that is associated with my Apple ID?
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Woody Anna Dresner
 Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 11:10 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Upgrading from 4s to 5s
 
 Hi Debbie,
 
 Connectg your phone to your computer and find it in iTunes. Be sure the
 Summary radio button is checked. As you move through the summary
 information, you'll come to backup options. One is a check box for encrypted
 backups. Check the box and enter a password when prompted. You'll need this
 password to restore from the backup. Now whenever you do a backup on your
 computer, it will be an encrypted backup.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 
 
 
 On Mar 11, 2014, at 4:52 PM, Debbie Downey debdow...@tampabay.rr.com
 wrote:
 
 HI raul,
 
 You mentioned encrypting your backup so that your passwords will be
 restored when upgrading to a new Iphone. Can you tell me how you do this or
 where this option can be found in ITunes? I've mentioned this to a few
 people and noone has ever heard of doing this.
 
 Debbie
 Thank you!
 
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf OfRaul A. Gallegos
 Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 11:31 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Upgrading from 4s to 5s
 
 Hi, the capacity makes no difference and the model makes no difference.
 So, feel free to restore away. One thing which helped me is encryping my
 backup in iTunes. If your backup is encrypted, your email passwords, and I
 think wi-fi passwords are also restored when you get your new iPhone
 restored from the 4s image.
 
 Hope this helps.
 
 ---
 Sent from Raul's rectangular glass - 832.554.7285 Please excuse any 
 auto complete or dictation weirdness.
 
 On Mar 9, 2014, at 9:48 PM, Jerry White midwa...@surry.net wrote:
 
 Hello everyone!
 I am getting an iPhone 5s to replace my iPhone 4s.  I know if I get a new
 iPhone 4s, I can restore the new phone from an upgrade stored on my
 computer.  I have to ask, though, does this work the same way when going
 from a 4s to a 5s?  Also, my 4s is a 16Gb, and my new 5s is a 32Gb - does
 that make any difference?
 Thanks for your help!
 Jerry White
 Alumni Council
 Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, IncR and America's VetDogsR, The 
 Veteran's K-9 Corps IncR Providing Second SightR since 1946
 371 E. Jericho Turnpike
 Smithtown, NY 11787
 Consumer Services Office: 866-282-8047 Fax 631-930-9009
 E-Mail: midwa...@surry.net
 Cell: 336-756-0970
 To make a donation that can change a life...
 Contact the Guide Dog FoundationR
 at www.guidedog.org
 or America's VetDogsR  the Veterans K-9 CorpsR atwww.vetdogs.org 
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 www.facebook.com/GuideDogFoundation
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Re: Upgrading from 4s to 5s

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hi, this is done from iTunes. Connect your device and then tab to the 
source list. In case you have no source list, press control-s to toggle 
it on. Note that if it's on already, this hot key will toggle it off. In 
any case, once at the source list, press D for device and then down 
arrow once. Now you will be at your device. Press tab many times past 
the summary information and you swill reach the back up settings area 
eventually. Press space on back up to my computer and then space on the 
check box to encrypt the backup. Once you do, you will be prompted for a 
password. Type it in and then press tab and type it in again to confirm. 
Press ok or encrypt, can't remember the button title. Your device will 
do a back up and it will be encrypted from this point on.\



Hope this helps.

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On 3/11/2014 4:52 PM, Debbie Downey wrote:

HI raul,
You mentioned encrypting your backup so that your passwords will be
restored when upgrading to a new Iphone. Can you tell me how you do this
or where this option can be found in ITunes? I've mentioned this to a
few people and noone has ever heard of doing this.
Debbie
Thank you!


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Behalf Of *Raul A. Gallegos
*Sent:* Sunday, March 09, 2014 11:31 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Upgrading from 4s to 5s

Hi, the capacity makes no difference and the model makes no difference.
So, feel free to restore away. One thing which helped me is encryping my
backup in iTunes. If your backup is encrypted, your email passwords, and
I think wi-fi passwords are also restored when you get your new iPhone
restored from the 4s image.

Hope this helps.

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On Mar 9, 2014, at 9:48 PM, Jerry White midwa...@surry.net
mailto:midwa...@surry.net wrote:


Hello everyone!

I am getting an iPhone 5s to replace my iPhone 4s.  I know if I get a
new iPhone 4s, I can restore the new phone from an upgrade stored on
my computer.  I have to ask, though, does this work the same way when
going from a 4s to a 5s?  Also, my 4s is a 16Gb, and my new 5s is a
32Gb - does that make any difference?

Thanks for your help!

Jerry White

Alumni Council

Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc® and America's VetDogs®, The
Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc® Providing Second Sight® since 1946

371 E. Jericho Turnpike

Smithtown, NY 11787

Consumer Services Office: 866-282-8047

Fax 631-930-9009

E-Mail: midwa...@surry.net mailto:midwa...@surry.net

Cell: 336-756-0970

To make a donation that can change a life...

Contact the Guide Dog Foundation®

at www.guidedog.org http://www.guidedog.org

or America's VetDogs®  the Veterans K-9 Corps® at www.vetdogs.org
http://www.vetdogs.org

Visit us on facebook at:

www.facebook.com/GuideDogFoundation
http://www.facebook.com/GuideDogFoundation

or www.facebook.com/AmericasVetDogs
http://www.facebook.com/AmericasVetDogs

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RE: Upgrading from 4s to 5s

[Debbie Downey]

HI raul,
 
You mentioned encrypting your backup so that your passwords will be restored
when upgrading to a new Iphone. Can you tell me how you do this or where
this option can be found in ITunes? I've mentioned this to a few people and
noone has ever heard of doing this.
 
Debbie
Thank you!
 
   


  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 11:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Upgrading from 4s to 5s


Hi, the capacity makes no difference and the model makes no difference. So,
feel free to restore away. One thing which helped me is encryping my backup
in iTunes. If your backup is encrypted, your email passwords, and I think
wi-fi passwords are also restored when you get your new iPhone restored from
the 4s image.


Hope this helps.

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On Mar 9, 2014, at 9:48 PM, Jerry White midwa...@surry.net wrote:



Hello everyone!



I am getting an iPhone 5s to replace my iPhone 4s.  I know if I get a new
iPhone 4s, I can restore the new phone from an upgrade stored on my
computer.  I have to ask, though, does this work the same way when going
from a 4s to a 5s?  Also, my 4s is a 16Gb, and my new 5s is a 32Gb - does
that make any difference?



Thanks for your help!



Jerry White

Alumni Council 

Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, IncR and America's VetDogsR, The
Veteran's K-9 Corps IncR Providing Second SightR since 1946



371 E. Jericho Turnpike

Smithtown, NY 11787

Consumer Services Office: 866-282-8047

Fax 631-930-9009 



E-Mail: midwa...@surry.net

Cell: 336-756-0970



To make a donation that can change a life... 

Contact the Guide Dog FoundationR

at www.guidedog.org

or America's VetDogsR  the Veterans K-9 CorpsR at www.vetdogs.org



Visit us on facebook at: 

 www.facebook.com/GuideDogFoundation

or www.facebook.com/AmericasVetDogs







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Re: Upgrading from 4s to 5s

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Jerry,

You will be able to restore your 4S backup to your 5S with no problem.

Best,
Anna



On Mar 9, 2014, at 9:48 PM, Jerry White midwa...@surry.net wrote:

 Hello everyone!
  
 I am getting an iPhone 5s to replace my iPhone 4s.  I know if I get a new 
 iPhone 4s, I can restore the new phone from an upgrade stored on my computer. 
  I have to ask, though, does this work the same way when going from a 4s to a 
 5s?  Also, my 4s is a 16Gb, and my new 5s is a 32Gb - does that make any 
 difference?
  
 Thanks for your help!
  
 Jerry White
 Alumni Council
 Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc® and America's VetDogs®, The 
 Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc® Providing Second Sight® since 1946
  
 371 E. Jericho Turnpike
 Smithtown, NY 11787
 Consumer Services Office: 866-282-8047
 Fax 631-930-9009
  
 E-Mail: midwa...@surry.net
 Cell: 336-756-0970
  
 To make a donation that can change a life...
 Contact the Guide Dog Foundation®
 at www.guidedog.org
 or America's VetDogs®  the Veterans K-9 Corps® at www.vetdogs.org
  
 Visit us on facebook at:
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Re: Upgrading from 4s to 5s

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hi, the capacity makes no difference and the model makes no difference. So, 
feel free to restore away. One thing which helped me is encryping my backup in 
iTunes. If your backup is encrypted, your email passwords, and I think wi-fi 
passwords are also restored when you get your new iPhone restored from the 4s 
image.

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 On Mar 9, 2014, at 9:48 PM, Jerry White midwa...@surry.net wrote:
 
 Hello everyone!
  
 I am getting an iPhone 5s to replace my iPhone 4s.  I know if I get a new 
 iPhone 4s, I can restore the new phone from an upgrade stored on my computer. 
  I have to ask, though, does this work the same way when going from a 4s to a 
 5s?  Also, my 4s is a 16Gb, and my new 5s is a 32Gb - does that make any 
 difference?
  
 Thanks for your help!
  
 Jerry White
 Alumni Council
 Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc® and America's VetDogs®, The 
 Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc® Providing Second Sight® since 1946
  
 371 E. Jericho Turnpike
 Smithtown, NY 11787
 Consumer Services Office: 866-282-8047
 Fax 631-930-9009
  
 E-Mail: midwa...@surry.net
 Cell: 336-756-0970
  
 To make a donation that can change a life... 
 Contact the Guide Dog Foundation®
 at www.guidedog.org
 or America's VetDogs®  the Veterans K-9 Corps® at www.vetdogs.org
  
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