RE: vo talking during phone calls
Hi David, Len and others, My 4S which does have the volume issue during a call also has the issue with VO reading out the call duration. What happens for me is that often when I answer a call on my headset everything is fine. If the call is longer, after 2 or so minutes the screen will lock and Voiceover will say Screen Locked. Then maybe 20 or 30 seconds later it will start announcing the call duration about every 20 or so seconds even if I had previously moved focus away from that during the same phone call. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Len Burns Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 4:06 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: vo talking during phone calls David, I have enough troubleshooting experience to have done the below as you describe. And, VO still ends up on the time. I am not being highly critical of Apple nor the phone, just stating an observation that I have duplicated many times as have several others I know who are equally careful. This has been true both in 5.1.1 and 6.0 with my 4S. Regards, -Len On 10/27/2012 3:52 PM, David Chittenden wrote: Yes, but the factor may be the person brushing the phone so lightly that they don't notice it after double-tapping the call button. I have done this and it will place the focus where the body part brushes the phone. All it takes is the merest contact. The touch-screen is not pressure sensitive, it is contact sensitive. Now, if you ensure that VO is not highlighting the call timer, close the phone app, have your headset connected, use the button on the headset chord to activate Siri, and voice-dial a number / contact, you will have eliminated all possibilities of touching the screen inadvertently. If VO starts reading the call timer then, you have definitely found a bug. VO remains on the field it was last on when the call screen pops up. Using the above method, I have never been able to cause the troubling behaviour. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/10/2012, at 11:35, Len Burns len.bu...@gmail.com wrote: While I know the below happens, I have seen the same thing occur with an earpiece on, phone lying on the table with nothing near it. So, I believe there is something going on here that is not always a human factor. -Len On 10/27/2012 1:19 AM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: Hi, also for what it's worth, I don't feel this is a bug like I've seen others say it is. If there is any sort of bug it's that if Voice Over is automatically placing focus on the timer, then yes, that needs to be addressed, however I would venture a guess, coming from a training point of view, that more often than not, it's the person who accidentally touches the timer. A good way it's been done, and it's happened to me is when I was putting the phone next to my ear, my lobe touched the screen in just the right place. I guess I have really big ears. Sure enough, the timer started telling me all the length of the call. A simple touch to somewhere else solved that problem. -- Raul A. Gallegos My wife says I ask too many questions. I asked her what she meant? Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 10/26/2012 4:54 PM, David Chittenden wrote: VO reads whatever is in the area you've highlighted with a touch. If it starts reading the call timer and did not do so before, this is because you touched, no matter how lightly, the call timer. Take the iPhone away from your ear to activate the touch-screen and move VO to another field either by touching a different area on the screen, or using a right or left flick. If you have headphones on, the touch-screen always remains active. To silence VO, you can either do a three-finger double-tap to mute speech, or you can use a triple-tap of the home button to unload VO. Just remember to use the same gesture when you are finished with your call to get VO talking again. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 27/10/2012, at 6:40, Donald Raikes don.rai...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I had the experience yesterday of making a couple of calls some with the wired headset and some without. In both cases, VO started talking in the middle ofthe call. It would say screen dimmed and phone locked, and on one of hte calls I made with the headset, it kept reading the time every few seconds. Obviously this makes it very hard to hear the person on the other end of the call. Any tips on how to get VO to stop talking while I am on a call would be appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group
Re: vo talking during phone calls
Unfortunately, all you can do is turn VO off. Sent from my Verizon iPhone! On Oct 28, 2012, at 3:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi David, Len and others, My 4S which does have the volume issue during a call also has the issue with VO reading out the call duration. What happens for me is that often when I answer a call on my headset everything is fine. If the call is longer, after 2 or so minutes the screen will lock and Voiceover will say Screen Locked. Then maybe 20 or 30 seconds later it will start announcing the call duration about every 20 or so seconds even if I had previously moved focus away from that during the same phone call. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Len Burns Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 4:06 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: vo talking during phone calls David, I have enough troubleshooting experience to have done the below as you describe. And, VO still ends up on the time. I am not being highly critical of Apple nor the phone, just stating an observation that I have duplicated many times as have several others I know who are equally careful. This has been true both in 5.1.1 and 6.0 with my 4S. Regards, -Len On 10/27/2012 3:52 PM, David Chittenden wrote: Yes, but the factor may be the person brushing the phone so lightly that they don't notice it after double-tapping the call button. I have done this and it will place the focus where the body part brushes the phone. All it takes is the merest contact. The touch-screen is not pressure sensitive, it is contact sensitive. Now, if you ensure that VO is not highlighting the call timer, close the phone app, have your headset connected, use the button on the headset chord to activate Siri, and voice-dial a number / contact, you will have eliminated all possibilities of touching the screen inadvertently. If VO starts reading the call timer then, you have definitely found a bug. VO remains on the field it was last on when the call screen pops up. Using the above method, I have never been able to cause the troubling behaviour. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/10/2012, at 11:35, Len Burns len.bu...@gmail.com wrote: While I know the below happens, I have seen the same thing occur with an earpiece on, phone lying on the table with nothing near it. So, I believe there is something going on here that is not always a human factor. -Len On 10/27/2012 1:19 AM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: Hi, also for what it's worth, I don't feel this is a bug like I've seen others say it is. If there is any sort of bug it's that if Voice Over is automatically placing focus on the timer, then yes, that needs to be addressed, however I would venture a guess, coming from a training point of view, that more often than not, it's the person who accidentally touches the timer. A good way it's been done, and it's happened to me is when I was putting the phone next to my ear, my lobe touched the screen in just the right place. I guess I have really big ears. Sure enough, the timer started telling me all the length of the call. A simple touch to somewhere else solved that problem. -- Raul A. Gallegos My wife says I ask too many questions. I asked her what she meant? Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 10/26/2012 4:54 PM, David Chittenden wrote: VO reads whatever is in the area you've highlighted with a touch. If it starts reading the call timer and did not do so before, this is because you touched, no matter how lightly, the call timer. Take the iPhone away from your ear to activate the touch-screen and move VO to another field either by touching a different area on the screen, or using a right or left flick. If you have headphones on, the touch-screen always remains active. To silence VO, you can either do a three-finger double-tap to mute speech, or you can use a triple-tap of the home button to unload VO. Just remember to use the same gesture when you are finished with your call to get VO talking again. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 27/10/2012, at 6:40, Donald Raikes don.rai...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I had the experience yesterday of making a couple of calls some with the wired headset and some without. In both cases, VO started talking in the middle ofthe call. It would say screen dimmed and phone locked, and on one of hte calls I made with the headset, it kept reading the time every few seconds. Obviously this makes it very hard to hear the person on the other end of the call. Any tips on how to get VO to stop talking while I am on a call would be appreciated
Re: vo talking during phone calls
Wwhen i make a call, i try always to shift bo focus to the end key which seems to keep vo quiet for the most part. Sent from Kimber's iPhone On Oct 27, 2012, at 7:07 PM, Dave Bahr dcba...@gmail.com wrote: yep I can confirm it, I've brought this up before. drives me nuts when I'm in a call walking around and the f ing voiceover talks the time every 3 seconds and I can't hit the lock button or move the cursor away from the timer. Dave C. Bahr Facebook: Dave Bahr Twitter: dcbahr On 10/27/2012 5:05 PM, Len Burns wrote: David, I have enough troubleshooting experience to have done the below as you describe. And, VO still ends up on the time. I am not being highly critical of Apple nor the phone, just stating an observation that I have duplicated many times as have several others I know who are equally careful. This has been true both in 5.1.1 and 6.0 with my 4S. Regards, -Len On 10/27/2012 3:52 PM, David Chittenden wrote: Yes, but the factor may be the person brushing the phone so lightly that they don't notice it after double-tapping the call button. I have done this and it will place the focus where the body part brushes the phone. All it takes is the merest contact. The touch-screen is not pressure sensitive, it is contact sensitive. Now, if you ensure that VO is not highlighting the call timer, close the phone app, have your headset connected, use the button on the headset chord to activate Siri, and voice-dial a number / contact, you will have eliminated all possibilities of touching the screen inadvertently. If VO starts reading the call timer then, you have definitely found a bug. VO remains on the field it was last on when the call screen pops up. Using the above method, I have never been able to cause the troubling behaviour. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/10/2012, at 11:35, Len Burns len.bu...@gmail.com wrote: While I know the below happens, I have seen the same thing occur with an earpiece on, phone lying on the table with nothing near it. So, I believe there is something going on here that is not always a human factor. -Len On 10/27/2012 1:19 AM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: Hi, also for what it's worth, I don't feel this is a bug like I've seen others say it is. If there is any sort of bug it's that if Voice Over is automatically placing focus on the timer, then yes, that needs to be addressed, however I would venture a guess, coming from a training point of view, that more often than not, it's the person who accidentally touches the timer. A good way it's been done, and it's happened to me is when I was putting the phone next to my ear, my lobe touched the screen in just the right place. I guess I have really big ears. Sure enough, the timer started telling me all the length of the call. A simple touch to somewhere else solved that problem. -- Raul A. Gallegos My wife says I ask too many questions. I asked her what she meant? Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 10/26/2012 4:54 PM, David Chittenden wrote: VO reads whatever is in the area you've highlighted with a touch. If it starts reading the call timer and did not do so before, this is because you touched, no matter how lightly, the call timer. Take the iPhone away from your ear to activate the touch-screen and move VO to another field either by touching a different area on the screen, or using a right or left flick. If you have headphones on, the touch-screen always remains active. To silence VO, you can either do a three-finger double-tap to mute speech, or you can use a triple-tap of the home button to unload VO. Just remember to use the same gesture when you are finished with your call to get VO talking again. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 27/10/2012, at 6:40, Donald Raikes don.rai...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I had the experience yesterday of making a couple of calls some with the wired headset and some without. In both cases, VO started talking in the middle ofthe call. It would say screen dimmed and phone locked, and on one of hte calls I made with the headset, it kept reading the time every few seconds. Obviously this makes it very hard to hear the person on the other end of the call. Any tips on how to get VO to stop talking while I am on a call would be appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
Re: vo talking during phone calls
Hi, also for what it's worth, I don't feel this is a bug like I've seen others say it is. If there is any sort of bug it's that if Voice Over is automatically placing focus on the timer, then yes, that needs to be addressed, however I would venture a guess, coming from a training point of view, that more often than not, it's the person who accidentally touches the timer. A good way it's been done, and it's happened to me is when I was putting the phone next to my ear, my lobe touched the screen in just the right place. I guess I have really big ears. Sure enough, the timer started telling me all the length of the call. A simple touch to somewhere else solved that problem. -- Raul A. Gallegos My wife says I ask too many questions. I asked her what she meant? Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 10/26/2012 4:54 PM, David Chittenden wrote: VO reads whatever is in the area you've highlighted with a touch. If it starts reading the call timer and did not do so before, this is because you touched, no matter how lightly, the call timer. Take the iPhone away from your ear to activate the touch-screen and move VO to another field either by touching a different area on the screen, or using a right or left flick. If you have headphones on, the touch-screen always remains active. To silence VO, you can either do a three-finger double-tap to mute speech, or you can use a triple-tap of the home button to unload VO. Just remember to use the same gesture when you are finished with your call to get VO talking again. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 27/10/2012, at 6:40, Donald Raikes don.rai...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I had the experience yesterday of making a couple of calls some with the wired headset and some without. In both cases, VO started talking in the middle ofthe call. It would say screen dimmed and phone locked, and on one of hte calls I made with the headset, it kept reading the time every few seconds. Obviously this makes it very hard to hear the person on the other end of the call. Any tips on how to get VO to stop talking while I am on a call would be appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: vo talking during phone calls
While I know the below happens, I have seen the same thing occur with an earpiece on, phone lying on the table with nothing near it. So, I believe there is something going on here that is not always a human factor. -Len On 10/27/2012 1:19 AM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: Hi, also for what it's worth, I don't feel this is a bug like I've seen others say it is. If there is any sort of bug it's that if Voice Over is automatically placing focus on the timer, then yes, that needs to be addressed, however I would venture a guess, coming from a training point of view, that more often than not, it's the person who accidentally touches the timer. A good way it's been done, and it's happened to me is when I was putting the phone next to my ear, my lobe touched the screen in just the right place. I guess I have really big ears. Sure enough, the timer started telling me all the length of the call. A simple touch to somewhere else solved that problem. -- Raul A. Gallegos My wife says I ask too many questions. I asked her what she meant? Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 10/26/2012 4:54 PM, David Chittenden wrote: VO reads whatever is in the area you've highlighted with a touch. If it starts reading the call timer and did not do so before, this is because you touched, no matter how lightly, the call timer. Take the iPhone away from your ear to activate the touch-screen and move VO to another field either by touching a different area on the screen, or using a right or left flick. If you have headphones on, the touch-screen always remains active. To silence VO, you can either do a three-finger double-tap to mute speech, or you can use a triple-tap of the home button to unload VO. Just remember to use the same gesture when you are finished with your call to get VO talking again. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 27/10/2012, at 6:40, Donald Raikes don.rai...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I had the experience yesterday of making a couple of calls some with the wired headset and some without. In both cases, VO started talking in the middle ofthe call. It would say screen dimmed and phone locked, and on one of hte calls I made with the headset, it kept reading the time every few seconds. Obviously this makes it very hard to hear the person on the other end of the call. Any tips on how to get VO to stop talking while I am on a call would be appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: vo talking during phone calls
I'm still using ios 5.1 with my bluetooth, I lock the screen while on a call and it unlocks itself every 5 or 10 seconds and talks. this is a bug. Subscribe to my PodOmatic podcast feed http://musicmaker365.podomatic.com/rss2.xml or visit the podcast page: http://musicmaker365.podomatic.com/ Thanks, Rob You can leave me a voice mail or fax at 206-426-3505 God is good all the time, All the time God is good On 10/27/2012 5:35 PM, Len Burns wrote: While I know the below happens, I have seen the same thing occur with an earpiece on, phone lying on the table with nothing near it. So, I believe there is something going on here that is not always a human factor. -Len On 10/27/2012 1:19 AM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: Hi, also for what it's worth, I don't feel this is a bug like I've seen others say it is. If there is any sort of bug it's that if Voice Over is automatically placing focus on the timer, then yes, that needs to be addressed, however I would venture a guess, coming from a training point of view, that more often than not, it's the person who accidentally touches the timer. A good way it's been done, and it's happened to me is when I was putting the phone next to my ear, my lobe touched the screen in just the right place. I guess I have really big ears. Sure enough, the timer started telling me all the length of the call. A simple touch to somewhere else solved that problem. -- Raul A. Gallegos My wife says I ask too many questions. I asked her what she meant? Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 10/26/2012 4:54 PM, David Chittenden wrote: VO reads whatever is in the area you've highlighted with a touch. If it starts reading the call timer and did not do so before, this is because you touched, no matter how lightly, the call timer. Take the iPhone away from your ear to activate the touch-screen and move VO to another field either by touching a different area on the screen, or using a right or left flick. If you have headphones on, the touch-screen always remains active. To silence VO, you can either do a three-finger double-tap to mute speech, or you can use a triple-tap of the home button to unload VO. Just remember to use the same gesture when you are finished with your call to get VO talking again. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 27/10/2012, at 6:40, Donald Raikesdon.rai...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I had the experience yesterday of making a couple of calls some with the wired headset and some without. In both cases, VO started talking in the middle ofthe call. It would say screen dimmed and phone locked, and on one of hte calls I made with the headset, it kept reading the time every few seconds. Obviously this makes it very hard to hear the person on the other end of the call. Any tips on how to get VO to stop talking while I am on a call would be appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: vo talking during phone calls
Yes, but the factor may be the person brushing the phone so lightly that they don't notice it after double-tapping the call button. I have done this and it will place the focus where the body part brushes the phone. All it takes is the merest contact. The touch-screen is not pressure sensitive, it is contact sensitive. Now, if you ensure that VO is not highlighting the call timer, close the phone app, have your headset connected, use the button on the headset chord to activate Siri, and voice-dial a number / contact, you will have eliminated all possibilities of touching the screen inadvertently. If VO starts reading the call timer then, you have definitely found a bug. VO remains on the field it was last on when the call screen pops up. Using the above method, I have never been able to cause the troubling behaviour. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/10/2012, at 11:35, Len Burns len.bu...@gmail.com wrote: While I know the below happens, I have seen the same thing occur with an earpiece on, phone lying on the table with nothing near it. So, I believe there is something going on here that is not always a human factor. -Len On 10/27/2012 1:19 AM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: Hi, also for what it's worth, I don't feel this is a bug like I've seen others say it is. If there is any sort of bug it's that if Voice Over is automatically placing focus on the timer, then yes, that needs to be addressed, however I would venture a guess, coming from a training point of view, that more often than not, it's the person who accidentally touches the timer. A good way it's been done, and it's happened to me is when I was putting the phone next to my ear, my lobe touched the screen in just the right place. I guess I have really big ears. Sure enough, the timer started telling me all the length of the call. A simple touch to somewhere else solved that problem. -- Raul A. Gallegos My wife says I ask too many questions. I asked her what she meant? Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 10/26/2012 4:54 PM, David Chittenden wrote: VO reads whatever is in the area you've highlighted with a touch. If it starts reading the call timer and did not do so before, this is because you touched, no matter how lightly, the call timer. Take the iPhone away from your ear to activate the touch-screen and move VO to another field either by touching a different area on the screen, or using a right or left flick. If you have headphones on, the touch-screen always remains active. To silence VO, you can either do a three-finger double-tap to mute speech, or you can use a triple-tap of the home button to unload VO. Just remember to use the same gesture when you are finished with your call to get VO talking again. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 27/10/2012, at 6:40, Donald Raikes don.rai...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I had the experience yesterday of making a couple of calls some with the wired headset and some without. In both cases, VO started talking in the middle ofthe call. It would say screen dimmed and phone locked, and on one of hte calls I made with the headset, it kept reading the time every few seconds. Obviously this makes it very hard to hear the person on the other end of the call. Any tips on how to get VO to stop talking while I am on a call would be appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: vo talking during phone calls
Only if you have moved the highlight away from the call timer. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/10/2012, at 11:39, Rob musicmaker...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still using ios 5.1 with my bluetooth, I lock the screen while on a call and it unlocks itself every 5 or 10 seconds and talks. this is a bug. Subscribe to my PodOmatic podcast feed http://musicmaker365.podomatic.com/rss2.xml or visit the podcast page: http://musicmaker365.podomatic.com/ Thanks, Rob You can leave me a voice mail or fax at 206-426-3505 God is good all the time, All the time God is good On 10/27/2012 5:35 PM, Len Burns wrote: While I know the below happens, I have seen the same thing occur with an earpiece on, phone lying on the table with nothing near it. So, I believe there is something going on here that is not always a human factor. -Len On 10/27/2012 1:19 AM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: Hi, also for what it's worth, I don't feel this is a bug like I've seen others say it is. If there is any sort of bug it's that if Voice Over is automatically placing focus on the timer, then yes, that needs to be addressed, however I would venture a guess, coming from a training point of view, that more often than not, it's the person who accidentally touches the timer. A good way it's been done, and it's happened to me is when I was putting the phone next to my ear, my lobe touched the screen in just the right place. I guess I have really big ears. Sure enough, the timer started telling me all the length of the call. A simple touch to somewhere else solved that problem. -- Raul A. Gallegos My wife says I ask too many questions. I asked her what she meant? Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 10/26/2012 4:54 PM, David Chittenden wrote: VO reads whatever is in the area you've highlighted with a touch. If it starts reading the call timer and did not do so before, this is because you touched, no matter how lightly, the call timer. Take the iPhone away from your ear to activate the touch-screen and move VO to another field either by touching a different area on the screen, or using a right or left flick. If you have headphones on, the touch-screen always remains active. To silence VO, you can either do a three-finger double-tap to mute speech, or you can use a triple-tap of the home button to unload VO. Just remember to use the same gesture when you are finished with your call to get VO talking again. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 27/10/2012, at 6:40, Donald Raikesdon.rai...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I had the experience yesterday of making a couple of calls some with the wired headset and some without. In both cases, VO started talking in the middle ofthe call. It would say screen dimmed and phone locked, and on one of hte calls I made with the headset, it kept reading the time every few seconds. Obviously this makes it very hard to hear the person on the other end of the call. Any tips on how to get VO to stop talking while I am on a call would be appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: vo talking during phone calls
David, I have enough troubleshooting experience to have done the below as you describe. And, VO still ends up on the time. I am not being highly critical of Apple nor the phone, just stating an observation that I have duplicated many times as have several others I know who are equally careful. This has been true both in 5.1.1 and 6.0 with my 4S. Regards, -Len On 10/27/2012 3:52 PM, David Chittenden wrote: Yes, but the factor may be the person brushing the phone so lightly that they don't notice it after double-tapping the call button. I have done this and it will place the focus where the body part brushes the phone. All it takes is the merest contact. The touch-screen is not pressure sensitive, it is contact sensitive. Now, if you ensure that VO is not highlighting the call timer, close the phone app, have your headset connected, use the button on the headset chord to activate Siri, and voice-dial a number / contact, you will have eliminated all possibilities of touching the screen inadvertently. If VO starts reading the call timer then, you have definitely found a bug. VO remains on the field it was last on when the call screen pops up. Using the above method, I have never been able to cause the troubling behaviour. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/10/2012, at 11:35, Len Burns len.bu...@gmail.com wrote: While I know the below happens, I have seen the same thing occur with an earpiece on, phone lying on the table with nothing near it. So, I believe there is something going on here that is not always a human factor. -Len On 10/27/2012 1:19 AM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: Hi, also for what it's worth, I don't feel this is a bug like I've seen others say it is. If there is any sort of bug it's that if Voice Over is automatically placing focus on the timer, then yes, that needs to be addressed, however I would venture a guess, coming from a training point of view, that more often than not, it's the person who accidentally touches the timer. A good way it's been done, and it's happened to me is when I was putting the phone next to my ear, my lobe touched the screen in just the right place. I guess I have really big ears. Sure enough, the timer started telling me all the length of the call. A simple touch to somewhere else solved that problem. -- Raul A. Gallegos My wife says I ask too many questions. I asked her what she meant? Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 10/26/2012 4:54 PM, David Chittenden wrote: VO reads whatever is in the area you've highlighted with a touch. If it starts reading the call timer and did not do so before, this is because you touched, no matter how lightly, the call timer. Take the iPhone away from your ear to activate the touch-screen and move VO to another field either by touching a different area on the screen, or using a right or left flick. If you have headphones on, the touch-screen always remains active. To silence VO, you can either do a three-finger double-tap to mute speech, or you can use a triple-tap of the home button to unload VO. Just remember to use the same gesture when you are finished with your call to get VO talking again. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 27/10/2012, at 6:40, Donald Raikes don.rai...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I had the experience yesterday of making a couple of calls some with the wired headset and some without. In both cases, VO started talking in the middle ofthe call. It would say screen dimmed and phone locked, and on one of hte calls I made with the headset, it kept reading the time every few seconds. Obviously this makes it very hard to hear the person on the other end of the call. Any tips on how to get VO to stop talking while I am on a call would be appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public
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yep I can confirm it, I've brought this up before. drives me nuts when I'm in a call walking around and the f ing voiceover talks the time every 3 seconds and I can't hit the lock button or move the cursor away from the timer. Dave C. Bahr Facebook: Dave Bahr Twitter: dcbahr On 10/27/2012 5:05 PM, Len Burns wrote: David, I have enough troubleshooting experience to have done the below as you describe. And, VO still ends up on the time. I am not being highly critical of Apple nor the phone, just stating an observation that I have duplicated many times as have several others I know who are equally careful. This has been true both in 5.1.1 and 6.0 with my 4S. Regards, -Len On 10/27/2012 3:52 PM, David Chittenden wrote: Yes, but the factor may be the person brushing the phone so lightly that they don't notice it after double-tapping the call button. I have done this and it will place the focus where the body part brushes the phone. All it takes is the merest contact. The touch-screen is not pressure sensitive, it is contact sensitive. Now, if you ensure that VO is not highlighting the call timer, close the phone app, have your headset connected, use the button on the headset chord to activate Siri, and voice-dial a number / contact, you will have eliminated all possibilities of touching the screen inadvertently. If VO starts reading the call timer then, you have definitely found a bug. VO remains on the field it was last on when the call screen pops up. Using the above method, I have never been able to cause the troubling behaviour. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/10/2012, at 11:35, Len Burns len.bu...@gmail.com wrote: While I know the below happens, I have seen the same thing occur with an earpiece on, phone lying on the table with nothing near it. So, I believe there is something going on here that is not always a human factor. -Len On 10/27/2012 1:19 AM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: Hi, also for what it's worth, I don't feel this is a bug like I've seen others say it is. If there is any sort of bug it's that if Voice Over is automatically placing focus on the timer, then yes, that needs to be addressed, however I would venture a guess, coming from a training point of view, that more often than not, it's the person who accidentally touches the timer. A good way it's been done, and it's happened to me is when I was putting the phone next to my ear, my lobe touched the screen in just the right place. I guess I have really big ears. Sure enough, the timer started telling me all the length of the call. A simple touch to somewhere else solved that problem. -- Raul A. Gallegos My wife says I ask too many questions. I asked her what she meant? Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 10/26/2012 4:54 PM, David Chittenden wrote: VO reads whatever is in the area you've highlighted with a touch. If it starts reading the call timer and did not do so before, this is because you touched, no matter how lightly, the call timer. Take the iPhone away from your ear to activate the touch-screen and move VO to another field either by touching a different area on the screen, or using a right or left flick. If you have headphones on, the touch-screen always remains active. To silence VO, you can either do a three-finger double-tap to mute speech, or you can use a triple-tap of the home button to unload VO. Just remember to use the same gesture when you are finished with your call to get VO talking again. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 27/10/2012, at 6:40, Donald Raikes don.rai...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I had the experience yesterday of making a couple of calls some with the wired headset and some without. In both cases, VO started talking in the middle ofthe call. It would say screen dimmed and phone locked, and on one of hte calls I made with the headset, it kept reading the time every few seconds. Obviously this makes it very hard to hear the person on the other end of the call. Any tips on how to get VO to stop talking while I am on a call would be appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: vo talking during phone calls
In that case, it sounds like something similar to the VO volume issue during phone calls that has only plagued certain 4s phones. If they are the same phones, it more strongly points toward a hardware component conflict problem affecting one or a few batches of one or a few production runs. Production runs can consist of hundreds of thousands of units. Each production run will have the same components in every unit, but as parts change during life-cycle of production, components can and will very between production runs. This can explain a problem that plagues certain units but not an entire product line version such as both of these problems, and is why I am espousing such extreme testing to ensure the problem isn't any of the other possibilities I've suggested. I go to such extreme methods when I alpha or beta test. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/10/2012, at 12:05, Len Burns len.bu...@gmail.com wrote: David, I have enough troubleshooting experience to have done the below as you describe. And, VO still ends up on the time. I am not being highly critical of Apple nor the phone, just stating an observation that I have duplicated many times as have several others I know who are equally careful. This has been true both in 5.1.1 and 6.0 with my 4S. Regards, -Len On 10/27/2012 3:52 PM, David Chittenden wrote: Yes, but the factor may be the person brushing the phone so lightly that they don't notice it after double-tapping the call button. I have done this and it will place the focus where the body part brushes the phone. All it takes is the merest contact. The touch-screen is not pressure sensitive, it is contact sensitive. Now, if you ensure that VO is not highlighting the call timer, close the phone app, have your headset connected, use the button on the headset chord to activate Siri, and voice-dial a number / contact, you will have eliminated all possibilities of touching the screen inadvertently. If VO starts reading the call timer then, you have definitely found a bug. VO remains on the field it was last on when the call screen pops up. Using the above method, I have never been able to cause the troubling behaviour. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/10/2012, at 11:35, Len Burns len.bu...@gmail.com wrote: While I know the below happens, I have seen the same thing occur with an earpiece on, phone lying on the table with nothing near it. So, I believe there is something going on here that is not always a human factor. -Len On 10/27/2012 1:19 AM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: Hi, also for what it's worth, I don't feel this is a bug like I've seen others say it is. If there is any sort of bug it's that if Voice Over is automatically placing focus on the timer, then yes, that needs to be addressed, however I would venture a guess, coming from a training point of view, that more often than not, it's the person who accidentally touches the timer. A good way it's been done, and it's happened to me is when I was putting the phone next to my ear, my lobe touched the screen in just the right place. I guess I have really big ears. Sure enough, the timer started telling me all the length of the call. A simple touch to somewhere else solved that problem. -- Raul A. Gallegos My wife says I ask too many questions. I asked her what she meant? Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 10/26/2012 4:54 PM, David Chittenden wrote: VO reads whatever is in the area you've highlighted with a touch. If it starts reading the call timer and did not do so before, this is because you touched, no matter how lightly, the call timer. Take the iPhone away from your ear to activate the touch-screen and move VO to another field either by touching a different area on the screen, or using a right or left flick. If you have headphones on, the touch-screen always remains active. To silence VO, you can either do a three-finger double-tap to mute speech, or you can use a triple-tap of the home button to unload VO. Just remember to use the same gesture when you are finished with your call to get VO talking again. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 27/10/2012, at 6:40, Donald Raikes don.rai...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I had the experience yesterday of making a couple of calls some with the wired headset and some without. In both cases, VO started talking in the middle ofthe call. It would say screen dimmed and phone locked, and on one of hte calls I made with the headset, it kept reading the time every few seconds. Obviously this makes it very hard to hear the person on the other end of the call. Any tips on how to get VO to stop
Re: vo talking during phone calls
Hi, if Voice Over speaks the time, just tap the lower part of the screen to move the selection away from the time. -- Raul A. Gallegos You know your children are growing up when they stop asking you where they came from and refuse to tell you where they're going. Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 10/26/2012 1:40 PM, Donald Raikes wrote: Hello, I had the experience yesterday of making a couple of calls some with the wired headset and some without. In both cases, VO started talking in the middle ofthe call. It would say screen dimmed and phone locked, and on one of hte calls I made with the headset, it kept reading the time every few seconds. Obviously this makes it very hard to hear the person on the other end of the call. Any tips on how to get VO to stop talking while I am on a call would be appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: vo talking during phone calls
VO reads whatever is in the area you've highlighted with a touch. If it starts reading the call timer and did not do so before, this is because you touched, no matter how lightly, the call timer. Take the iPhone away from your ear to activate the touch-screen and move VO to another field either by touching a different area on the screen, or using a right or left flick. If you have headphones on, the touch-screen always remains active. To silence VO, you can either do a three-finger double-tap to mute speech, or you can use a triple-tap of the home button to unload VO. Just remember to use the same gesture when you are finished with your call to get VO talking again. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 27/10/2012, at 6:40, Donald Raikes don.rai...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I had the experience yesterday of making a couple of calls some with the wired headset and some without. In both cases, VO started talking in the middle ofthe call. It would say screen dimmed and phone locked, and on one of hte calls I made with the headset, it kept reading the time every few seconds. Obviously this makes it very hard to hear the person on the other end of the call. Any tips on how to get VO to stop talking while I am on a call would be appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: vo talking during phone calls
THanks for the suggestions. I have only had the phone for a week or so and forgot the three-finger double-tap to silence vo gesture. On 10/26/12, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: VO reads whatever is in the area you've highlighted with a touch. If it starts reading the call timer and did not do so before, this is because you touched, no matter how lightly, the call timer. Take the iPhone away from your ear to activate the touch-screen and move VO to another field either by touching a different area on the screen, or using a right or left flick. If you have headphones on, the touch-screen always remains active. To silence VO, you can either do a three-finger double-tap to mute speech, or you can use a triple-tap of the home button to unload VO. Just remember to use the same gesture when you are finished with your call to get VO talking again. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 27/10/2012, at 6:40, Donald Raikes don.rai...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I had the experience yesterday of making a couple of calls some with the wired headset and some without. In both cases, VO started talking in the middle ofthe call. It would say screen dimmed and phone locked, and on one of hte calls I made with the headset, it kept reading the time every few seconds. Obviously this makes it very hard to hear the person on the other end of the call. Any tips on how to get VO to stop talking while I am on a call would be appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: vo talking during phone calls
Hi, I have gotten in the habit of doing a three finger triple tap, and then a two finger double tao to answer the iPhone. I reverse the process when I hang up. Also, when I am riding my bike with a blue tooth headset, I turn voice over off with a three finger triple tap, before I ride, , so I can answer the phone with the headset with out voice over interrupting. The option to turn Voice over off during calls is something I have been asking Apple for since I got my iPhone 3 years ago. Of course, there would need to be a way to have voice over announce the screen if needed during a call. Chuck On Oct 26, 2:27 pm, Donald Raikes don.rai...@gmail.com wrote: THanks for the suggestions. I have only had the phone for a week or so and forgot the three-finger double-tap to silence vo gesture. On 10/26/12, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: VO reads whatever is in the area you've highlighted with a touch. If it starts reading the call timer and did not do so before, this is because you touched, no matter how lightly, the call timer. Take the iPhone away from your ear to activate the touch-screen and move VO to another field either by touching a different area on the screen, or using a right or left flick. If you have headphones on, the touch-screen always remains active. To silence VO, you can either do a three-finger double-tap to mute speech, or you can use a triple-tap of the home button to unload VO. Just remember to use the same gesture when you are finished with your call to get VO talking again. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 27/10/2012, at 6:40, Donald Raikes don.rai...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I had the experience yesterday of making a couple of calls some with the wired headset and some without. In both cases, VO started talking in the middle ofthe call. It would say screen dimmed and phone locked, and on one of hte calls I made with the headset, it kept reading the time every few seconds. Obviously this makes it very hard to hear the person on the other end of the call. Any tips on how to get VO to stop talking while I am on a call would be appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
