Re: Automatic iOS 7 download and space considerations
Hi Robert, I'm afraid I have to disagree when you say that no amount of complaining will change something. I believe in the power of advocacy, and also in the rule of law. In Europe, Apple has already had to change some of its practices because in the past they have not conformed to EU law. They've already had to offer a micro-USB adapter in those markets, and there's some suggestion that the Lightening adapters themselves may well not last if Apple wants to continue to sell there. They are not above the law. And if Apple is violating consumer guarantee law, then it is Apple who must change, whether they've done something for years or not. Many markets have very strict laws regarding products being fit for purpose, having clear access to the advertised space, etc. They're skating on very thin ice here and I for one do not believe lying down and accepting it is right, responsible or appropriate. For years, they have been price gouging in Australia, charging much higher prices for iTunes content than is appropriate given the current exchange rate. Just like any other company, they were forced to appear before a Parliamentary Committee, account for their actions and possibly be subject to regulation. There is nothing that exempts Apple from due process, nor should there be. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 7/10/2013, at 9:55 AM, ROBERT CARTER nc5rn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I very much agree with Cara. This should be taken up with Apple. I don't doubt that the iPhone 4 might have some difficulty running iOS 7. Apple does have second to none customer service. I bet they will find a way to help. Robert Carter On Oct 6, 2013, at 2:13 PM, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Well, the problem is the IOs 7 is making the phone very slow, and is very hard to work on this device, since IOs 7 appeared. If IOs 7 didn't make my iPhone 4 so slow, probably I would not been saying anything. But use an iPhone 4 who takes 22 seconds to open settings, and if I go to mail, contacts, , it takes 14 more seconds to open that part in settings. Is very annoying work like this. I don't care if apple wants to keep updated every body. But the update should not became our devices in devices very hard to be use, or devices that are becoming in unusable devices due the last update. Those cases that you explained to us, sound very nice, but if I don't want to install an update, apple has not right to fill my iPhone memory. It is the memory of my iPhone, no the memory of apple's iPhone. So I paid it, and it is my. You know, property rights. If I want to put my iPhone under a drill, it is my iPhone, and I am able to do with it, what ever I want. If I want to put my iPhone inside the pool, it is my iPhone, and I am able to do what ever I want with my iPhone. But apple doesn't have rights to download anything in the memory of my iPhone without my permission. Apple doesn't have right to push me to install an operated system that makes my iPhone so slow, and with bunches of bugs. They don't have rights on my property. you know, property rights. - Original Message - From: ROBERT CARTER To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:30 PM Subject: Re: Automatic iOS 7 download and space considerations Hi, I would like to address this issue from a historical perspective. Since it was founded back in 1976, Apple has always been about moving forward even if that meant canabilizing its own product line. We saw it when they moved from the Apple II to the Mac. Again when they replaced an extremely successful top selling iPod with the iPod Nano. Each time a new version of OS X or iOS is released, the previous version is unavailable by the very next day on every piece of hardware that is for sale in an Apple store. Apple moves forward leaving the earlier OS behind. If, for whatever reason, you choose to stay with an older version there will always be a price to pay. Stick with Snow Leopard and you will not have iCloud. Stick with iOS 6 and you will have 3 GB less space on your device. Apple wants all of its customers to run the latest version. They are about moving forward. Apple has never apologized for pushing out the latest operating system. It is at the core of Apple's DNA. People who don't understand this don't have a good understanding of Apple's philosophy. This is understandable given that so many people have recently come to Apple devices. This approach is extremely successful with the majority already having upgraded to iOS 7. Of course there are bugs but most of us find the advantages outweigh the disadvantages of using the current operating system. Since Apple wants its customers to keep buying products, it will fix the bugs. A willingness to move forward or an acceptance that one pays the price
RE: Automatic iOS 7 download and space considerations
This is what happened on my wife's 16gb 4s. when she tried to install ios7. She was informed that there wasn't enough memory available because the update required at least 3gb. She only had 1.5 gb left so she had to go through all of the apps under useage and start deleting a bunch of stuff. You'd be surprised how long it takes to come up with 1.5gb of apps to get rid of. Best regards, Rick Alfaro From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 3:29 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Automatic iOS 7 download and space considerations Hello, Jonathan as always explains things like nobody else and I do agree that the automatic downloading of iOS 7 is maybe not something Apple should force on people even though it is also not new since they did the same with iOS 5 and iOS 6. Here is a point, though, which I wonder about: People mostly complain that on something like a 16 Gb phone this update takes up a lot of space and I would agree that it does. If you only have maybe 3 or 4 Gb free space and this is almost 3 Gb it doesn't leave you with much. If you use a 16 Gb phone but you don't really fill your device with music and only use storage space for some apps, maybe a few books or pictures, then you probably have at least 6 or 8 Gb free space in which case it's a mute point if half of that space is used up by the update since chances are you won't run out of space. If your phone is so full that maybe you only have 1 Gb free I wonder what happens then. I somehow doubt Apple randomly can delete stuff from your phone to make room for the update, it is my guess that if you went to Software Update in General Settings it would have an Download and Install option since it could not download the update and if you tried it you would be informed that there wasn't enough space. At that point you would have to take off (un-sync) some music, pictures, books or apps depending on what you have on your phone to fill it up should you want to install the update, afterwards you could resync that content. So, maybe this is something to remember next year as a work-around. If you have a 16 Gb device and don't want a new iOS update to download, simply make sure you fill your device with content and only leave maybe less than 2 Gb free for use, this way there is not enough space for the update to download and you are good to go. If you have 5, 6 or 8 Gb of free space or even more then having the just under 3 Gb download sitting on your device is a mute point. Should people have to do this? No, probably not, I think Apple should put something into the Settings which just as you can turn off automatic app updates allows you to turn off automatic iOS update downloads. They could even have this set to On by default since then it's up to each person who cares enough to not want this to turn it off. Regards, Sieghard a quarter or and have a smaller First, it is my understanding that this only downloads via is a point, though, regarding space. People complain that if they have . OK, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Automatic iOS 7 download and space considerations
Hi Chris, All analogies aside, I must say that while I personally am not experiencing any showstoppers with iOS 7, I think being able to downgrade, or at least disable the automatic download, is a pretty reasonable request. I personally agree with Jonathan's post and don't see why listers object to that request. A sighted family member has an iPhone 4 with iOS 7 and when I turn on VO to help them, I definitely notice a lot of sluggishness. In the past Microsoft has been chastised for automatically installing updates to the Windows update engine itself without a user's consent. So I don't think Pablo's request is out of the ordinary by any means. Grant -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: October 4, 2013 1:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Automatic iOS 7 download and space considerations Well, I think it's a bad analogy. I think a better analogy is that I want to buy a home in a maintained community where I don't have to worry about security or maintenance. The community will keep my walls fresh and clean. My carpeting will be replaced for me on a regular basis. My lawn will be mowed and trimmed for me. Now to save costs and make sure all of the houses in the community look as nice as possible, I don't get to choose exactly when my home will be painted or the carpeting replaced, and I have limited choices of colors. I'm OK if the maintenance crew needs to keep some paint and supplies in one of my closets. On 10/04/2013 02:40 PM, Pablo Morales wrote: Wow, this issue made me think about a situation very similar. For example, I have a little home, One bed room, one bathroom, a little kitchen and a little living room together. Even though, it is my home, I am the owner of my great home. I clean and put my home nice every day. I had to work very hard to buy this little home, and I love my home. even though, one day, The god apple said. Every body has to paint their homes of red, and I think, oh no, I don't like the red color, no for my walls, it is a very stressful color, and I said no. But God apple sent a group of solders to my home, and they broke my door, and put in my bathroom, the gallons of paint, red paint, brushes, and steps, the whole tools to paint my home. Now I got my bathroom full of things that I don't want to use, but I am not able to take this things out of my home. The only way that I have to do it, is paint my home of red, and no matter if I don't like this color, no matter if this color doesn't match with my furniture's, no matter if this color make me stressed. Do you think that is fir? do you think that is legal? I don't see it legal, and I don't see it fir. - Original Message - *From:* Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Friday, October 04, 2013 3:28 PM *Subject:* Automatic iOS 7 download and space considerations Hello, Jonathan as always explains things like nobody else and I do agree that the automatic downloading of iOS 7 is maybe not something Apple should force on people even though it is also not new since they did the same with iOS 5 and iOS 6. Here is a point, though, which I wonder about: People mostly complain that on something like a 16 Gb phone this update takes up a lot of space and I would agree that it does. If you only have maybe 3 or 4 Gb free space and this is almost 3 Gb it doesn't leave you with much. If you use a 16 Gb phone but you don't really fill your device with music and only use storage space for some apps, maybe a few books or pictures, then you probably have at least 6 or 8 Gb free space in which case it's a mute point if half of that space is used up by the update since chances are you won't run out of space. If your phone is so full that maybe you only have 1 Gb free I wonder what happens then. I somehow doubt Apple randomly can delete stuff from your phone to make room for the update, it is my guess that if you went to Software Update in General Settings it would have an Download and Install option since it could not download the update and if you tried it you would be informed that there wasn't enough space. At that point you would have to take off (un-sync) some music, pictures, books or apps depending on what you have on your phone to fill it up should you want to install the update, afterwards you could resync that content. So, maybe this is something to remember next year as a work-around. If you have a 16 Gb device and don't want a new iOS update to download, simply make sure you fill your device with content and only leave maybe less than 2 Gb free for use, this way there is not enough space for the update to download and you are good to go
Re: Automatic iOS 7 download and space considerations
I agree that making the download of an upgrade manual is a reasonable request, and I hope people are sending this request into Apple. I'm not sure being able to downgrade, at least forever, is so reasonable though. Apple promises a it just works or a secure, easy to use, worry free environment. Part of this is getting people on the latest level of the software. People complain how much malware there is on Android and Windows or how hard it is to find an Android phone with the latest and greatest operating system and accessibility software and so on. Apple battles security vulnerabilities and issues created by fragmentation by making it as easy as possible for people to move up to the latest and greatest software and encouraging them to do it. IMHO, if people are unhappy with IOS 7 then they should be complaining about IOS 7 and how Apple didn't deliver on it's promises with a new OS and not how they can't go back to IOS 6 or how IOS 7 got on their phone in the first place. You say IOS 7 is sluggish on your family members iPhone 4. Was it also sluggish with IOS 6? Also, I've never heard a lot of grumbling about Windows pushing updates out to people's PC's without their knowledge mostly because I don't ever recall a time when this wasn't a configurable option. I'm not sure analogies with Windows go very far though. The Apple business model and ecosystem is very different than that of Microsoft and the PC. The fact that you get your PC from one company and the operating system from another is one such case. Note that Microsoft is changing it's business model and adapting some of the same characteristics of Apple's wildly successful model. It isn't a coincidence that Microsoft has gotten into the business of making their own tablet hardware and just bought a smart phone handset manufacturer. Of course, Google got into the hardware business themselves not too long ago, and I read an article recently on how Android is pushing out upgrades on it's phones behind the scenes to battle malware and fragmentation in the Android ecosystem. On 10/04/2013 05:03 PM, Grant Hardy wrote: Hi Chris, All analogies aside, I must say that while I personally am not experiencing any showstoppers with iOS 7, I think being able to downgrade, or at least disable the automatic download, is a pretty reasonable request. I personally agree with Jonathan's post and don't see why listers object to that request. A sighted family member has an iPhone 4 with iOS 7 and when I turn on VO to help them, I definitely notice a lot of sluggishness. In the past Microsoft has been chastised for automatically installing updates to the Windows update engine itself without a user's consent. So I don't think Pablo's request is out of the ordinary by any means. Grant -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: October 4, 2013 1:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Automatic iOS 7 download and space considerations Well, I think it's a bad analogy. I think a better analogy is that I want to buy a home in a maintained community where I don't have to worry about security or maintenance. The community will keep my walls fresh and clean. My carpeting will be replaced for me on a regular basis. My lawn will be mowed and trimmed for me. Now to save costs and make sure all of the houses in the community look as nice as possible, I don't get to choose exactly when my home will be painted or the carpeting replaced, and I have limited choices of colors. I'm OK if the maintenance crew needs to keep some paint and supplies in one of my closets. On 10/04/2013 02:40 PM, Pablo Morales wrote: Wow, this issue made me think about a situation very similar. For example, I have a little home, One bed room, one bathroom, a little kitchen and a little living room together. Even though, it is my home, I am the owner of my great home. I clean and put my home nice every day. I had to work very hard to buy this little home, and I love my home. even though, one day, The god apple said. Every body has to paint their homes of red, and I think, oh no, I don't like the red color, no for my walls, it is a very stressful color, and I said no. But God apple sent a group of solders to my home, and they broke my door, and put in my bathroom, the gallons of paint, red paint, brushes, and steps, the whole tools to paint my home. Now I got my bathroom full of things that I don't want to use, but I am not able to take this things out of my home. The only way that I have to do it, is paint my home of red, and no matter if I don't like this color, no matter if this color doesn't match with my furniture's, no matter if this color make me stressed. Do you think that is fir? do you think that is legal? I don't see it legal, and I don't see it fir. - Original Message - *From:* Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca *To:* viphone
Re: Automatic iOS 7 download and space considerations
Hi, I would like to address this issue from a historical perspective. Since it was founded back in 1976, Apple has always been about moving forward even if that meant canabilizing its own product line. We saw it when they moved from the Apple II to the Mac. Again when they replaced an extremely successful top selling iPod with the iPod Nano. Each time a new version of OS X or iOS is released, the previous version is unavailable by the very next day on every piece of hardware that is for sale in an Apple store. Apple moves forward leaving the earlier OS behind. If, for whatever reason, you choose to stay with an older version there will always be a price to pay. Stick with Snow Leopard and you will not have iCloud. Stick with iOS 6 and you will have 3 GB less space on your device. Apple wants all of its customers to run the latest version. They are about moving forward. Apple has never apologized for pushing out the latest operating system. It is at the core of Apple's DNA. People who don't understand this don't have a good understanding of Apple's philosophy. This is understandable given that so many people have recently come to Apple devices. This approach is extremely successful with the majority already having upgraded to iOS 7. Of course there are bugs but most of us find the advantages outweigh the disadvantages of using the current operating system. Since Apple wants its customers to keep buying products, it will fix the bugs. A willingness to move forward or an acceptance that one pays the price for choosing not to do so is just the way it works. No amount of complaining will change this reality. If you decide that 3 GB of space is to much of a price to pay for staying with iOS 6, you could upgrade or you could switch to Android. They, unfortunately, have the opposite problem where many devices cannot or are not allowed to run the latest version of the OS. Like with Apple, this reality is just the way it is. No amount of complaining will change it. Robert Carter On Oct 4, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hello, Jonathan as always explains things like nobody else and I do agree that the automatic downloading of iOS 7 is maybe not something Apple should force on people even though it is also not new since they did the same with iOS 5 and iOS 6. Here is a point, though, which I wonder about: People mostly complain that on something like a 16 Gb phone this update takes up a lot of space and I would agree that it does. If you only have maybe 3 or 4 Gb free space and this is almost 3 Gb it doesn’t leave you with much. If you use a 16 Gb phone but you don’t really fill your device with music and only use storage space for some apps, maybe a few books or pictures, then you probably have at least 6 or 8 Gb free space in which case it’s a mute point if half of that space is used up by the update since chances are you won’t run out of space. If your phone is so full that maybe you only have 1 Gb free I wonder what happens then. I somehow doubt Apple randomly can delete stuff from your phone to make room for the update, it is my guess that if you went to Software Update in General Settings it would have an “Download and Install” option since it could not download the update and if you tried it you would be informed that there wasn’t enough space. At that point you would have to take off (un-sync) some music, pictures, books or apps depending on what you have on your phone to fill it up should you want to install the update, afterwards you could resync that content. So, maybe this is something to remember next year as a work-around. If you have a 16 Gb device and don’t want a new iOS update to download, simply make sure you fill your device with content and only leave maybe less than 2 Gb free for use, this way there is not enough space for the update to download and you are good to go. If you have 5, 6 or 8 Gb of free space or even more then having the just under 3 Gb download sitting on your device is a mute point. Should people have to do this? No, probably not, I think Apple should put something into the Settings which just as you can turn off automatic app updates allows you to turn off automatic iOS update downloads. They could even have this set to On by default since then it’s up to each person who cares enough to not want this to turn it off. Regards, Sieghard a quarter or and have a smaller First, it is my understanding that this only downloads via is a point, though, regarding space. People complain that if they have . OK, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by
Re: Automatic iOS 7 download and space considerations
Well, the problem is the IOs 7 is making the phone very slow, and is very hard to work on this device, since IOs 7 appeared. If IOs 7 didn't make my iPhone 4 so slow, probably I would not been saying anything. But use an iPhone 4 who takes 22 seconds to open settings, and if I go to mail, contacts, , it takes 14 more seconds to open that part in settings. Is very annoying work like this. I don't care if apple wants to keep updated every body. But the update should not became our devices in devices very hard to be use, or devices that are becoming in unusable devices due the last update. Those cases that you explained to us, sound very nice, but if I don't want to install an update, apple has not right to fill my iPhone memory. It is the memory of my iPhone, no the memory of apple's iPhone. So I paid it, and it is my. You know, property rights. If I want to put my iPhone under a drill, it is my iPhone, and I am able to do with it, what ever I want. If I want to put my iPhone inside the pool, it is my iPhone, and I am able to do what ever I want with my iPhone. But apple doesn't have rights to download anything in the memory of my iPhone without my permission. Apple doesn't have right to push me to install an operated system that makes my iPhone so slow, and with bunches of bugs. They don't have rights on my property. you know, property rights. - Original Message - From: ROBERT CARTER To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:30 PM Subject: Re: Automatic iOS 7 download and space considerations Hi, I would like to address this issue from a historical perspective. Since it was founded back in 1976, Apple has always been about moving forward even if that meant canabilizing its own product line. We saw it when they moved from the Apple II to the Mac. Again when they replaced an extremely successful top selling iPod with the iPod Nano. Each time a new version of OS X or iOS is released, the previous version is unavailable by the very next day on every piece of hardware that is for sale in an Apple store. Apple moves forward leaving the earlier OS behind. If, for whatever reason, you choose to stay with an older version there will always be a price to pay. Stick with Snow Leopard and you will not have iCloud. Stick with iOS 6 and you will have 3 GB less space on your device. Apple wants all of its customers to run the latest version. They are about moving forward. Apple has never apologized for pushing out the latest operating system. It is at the core of Apple's DNA. People who don't understand this don't have a good understanding of Apple's philosophy. This is understandable given that so many people have recently come to Apple devices. This approach is extremely successful with the majority already having upgraded to iOS 7. Of course there are bugs but most of us find the advantages outweigh the disadvantages of using the current operating system. Since Apple wants its customers to keep buying products, it will fix the bugs. A willingness to move forward or an acceptance that one pays the price for choosing not to do so is just the way it works. No amount of complaining will change this reality. If you decide that 3 GB of space is to much of a price to pay for staying with iOS 6, you could upgrade or you could switch to Android. They, unfortunately, have the opposite problem where many devices cannot or are not allowed to run the latest version of the OS. Like with Apple, this reality is just the way it is. No amount of complaining will change it. Robert Carter On Oct 4, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hello, Jonathan as always explains things like nobody else and I do agree that the automatic downloading of iOS 7 is maybe not something Apple should force on people even though it is also not new since they did the same with iOS 5 and iOS 6. Here is a point, though, which I wonder about: People mostly complain that on something like a 16 Gb phone this update takes up a lot of space and I would agree that it does. If you only have maybe 3 or 4 Gb free space and this is almost 3 Gb it doesn’t leave you with much. If you use a 16 Gb phone but you don’t really fill your device with music and only use storage space for some apps, maybe a few books or pictures, then you probably have at least 6 or 8 Gb free space in which case it’s a mute point if half of that space is used up by the update since chances are you won’t run out of space. If your phone is so full that maybe you only have 1 Gb free I wonder what happens then. I somehow doubt Apple randomly can delete stuff from your phone to make room for the update, it is my guess that if you went to Software Update in General Settings it would have an “Download and Install” option since it could not download the update and if you tried it you would be informed
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Hi Pablo, I don't usually offer directed mod notes, but in this case, I'd just like to suggest a few things. Firstly, I'm keeping this on-list as I'd like to state for the record, that I agree with you here. So to the list, regardless of your thoughts on Pablo and his complaints, I agree with him. -And I'd go further to say that rather than call his sentiments ridiculous or whatever names people had for them earlier this week, let me remind you all that we don't do name-calling here. I don't care what your feelings about someone's posts are. There's never an excuse here for name-calling. Know what I mean? You don't need to agree with people, but don't ever disrespect them here. K? Thanks! :) So now on to my other points. Pablo, it sounds like you're really having serious issues with the performance of your iPhone 4 with iOS 7. So I'd suggest that now it's time to talk to Apple more closely on this one. I think this list has probably given as much feedback on this particular situation as it can possibly give. So have you considered finding an Apple Store close to you? Perhaps it might help you get some piece of mind if you can speak with an Apple employee directly. Maybe they can also offer you some suggestions to help you that this list may not know. I know you've already spoken with Apple tech support so that would also be another option to follow up with once again. I know that we all here want each other to have very cool and nicely-working devices so we can not only be productive but also enjoy using them. As you say, you paid good money for your iDevice and I absolutely agree with and support you, that you should have something to show for that. You should have something that is not only meeting your needs each day, but something that is also bringing joy to your life! :) Know what I mean? if we can't have that, then what's the point, right? :) So again, let me suggest that you now direct your energies into getting in touch more closely with Apple and really explaining to them all of your concerns and issues you may have, so that you can find some resolution on this. What do you think? Kudos to you for really explaining and sharing your experiences here and also for doing this in a way that is maintaining a positive discussion. Yes, you have rights and you may have some issues right now. So now it is time to continue sharing those with Apple. They are the ones now, who can offer you the real help you need… If you can, please do also consider sharing your experiences when you do take this up with Apple further, if you would? Thanks so much! :) Have an awesome day and talk with you soon! Smiles, Cara :) On Oct 6, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Well, the problem is the IOs 7 is making the phone very slow, and is very hard to work on this device, since IOs 7 appeared. If IOs 7 didn't make my iPhone 4 so slow, probably I would not been saying anything. But use an iPhone 4 who takes 22 seconds to open settings, and if I go to mail, contacts, , it takes 14 more seconds to open that part in settings. Is very annoying work like this. I don't care if apple wants to keep updated every body. But the update should not became our devices in devices very hard to be use, or devices that are becoming in unusable devices due the last update. Those cases that you explained to us, sound very nice, but if I don't want to install an update, apple has not right to fill my iPhone memory. It is the memory of my iPhone, no the memory of apple's iPhone. So I paid it, and it is my. You know, property rights. If I want to put my iPhone under a drill, it is my iPhone, and I am able to do with it, what ever I want. If I want to put my iPhone inside the pool, it is my iPhone, and I am able to do what ever I want with my iPhone. But apple doesn't have rights to download anything in the memory of my iPhone without my permission. Apple doesn't have right to push me to install an operated system that makes my iPhone so slow, and with bunches of bugs. They don't have rights on my property. you know, property rights. - Original Message - From: ROBERT CARTER To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:30 PM Subject: Re: Automatic iOS 7 download and space considerations Hi, I would like to address this issue from a historical perspective. Since it was founded back in 1976, Apple has always been about moving forward even if that meant canabilizing its own product line. We saw it when they moved from the Apple II to the Mac. Again when they replaced an extremely successful top selling iPod with the iPod Nano. Each time a new version of OS X or iOS is released, the previous version is unavailable by the very next day on every piece of hardware that is for sale in an Apple store. Apple moves forward leaving the earlier OS behind. If, for whatever reason, you choose to stay with an older version
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Hi, I very much agree with Cara. This should be taken up with Apple. I don't doubt that the iPhone 4 might have some difficulty running iOS 7. Apple does have second to none customer service. I bet they will find a way to help. Robert Carter On Oct 6, 2013, at 2:13 PM, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Well, the problem is the IOs 7 is making the phone very slow, and is very hard to work on this device, since IOs 7 appeared. If IOs 7 didn't make my iPhone 4 so slow, probably I would not been saying anything. But use an iPhone 4 who takes 22 seconds to open settings, and if I go to mail, contacts, , it takes 14 more seconds to open that part in settings. Is very annoying work like this. I don't care if apple wants to keep updated every body. But the update should not became our devices in devices very hard to be use, or devices that are becoming in unusable devices due the last update. Those cases that you explained to us, sound very nice, but if I don't want to install an update, apple has not right to fill my iPhone memory. It is the memory of my iPhone, no the memory of apple's iPhone. So I paid it, and it is my. You know, property rights. If I want to put my iPhone under a drill, it is my iPhone, and I am able to do with it, what ever I want. If I want to put my iPhone inside the pool, it is my iPhone, and I am able to do what ever I want with my iPhone. But apple doesn't have rights to download anything in the memory of my iPhone without my permission. Apple doesn't have right to push me to install an operated system that makes my iPhone so slow, and with bunches of bugs. They don't have rights on my property. you know, property rights. - Original Message - From: ROBERT CARTER To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:30 PM Subject: Re: Automatic iOS 7 download and space considerations Hi, I would like to address this issue from a historical perspective. Since it was founded back in 1976, Apple has always been about moving forward even if that meant canabilizing its own product line. We saw it when they moved from the Apple II to the Mac. Again when they replaced an extremely successful top selling iPod with the iPod Nano. Each time a new version of OS X or iOS is released, the previous version is unavailable by the very next day on every piece of hardware that is for sale in an Apple store. Apple moves forward leaving the earlier OS behind. If, for whatever reason, you choose to stay with an older version there will always be a price to pay. Stick with Snow Leopard and you will not have iCloud. Stick with iOS 6 and you will have 3 GB less space on your device. Apple wants all of its customers to run the latest version. They are about moving forward. Apple has never apologized for pushing out the latest operating system. It is at the core of Apple's DNA. People who don't understand this don't have a good understanding of Apple's philosophy. This is understandable given that so many people have recently come to Apple devices. This approach is extremely successful with the majority already having upgraded to iOS 7. Of course there are bugs but most of us find the advantages outweigh the disadvantages of using the current operating system. Since Apple wants its customers to keep buying products, it will fix the bugs. A willingness to move forward or an acceptance that one pays the price for choosing not to do so is just the way it works. No amount of complaining will change this reality. If you decide that 3 GB of space is to much of a price to pay for staying with iOS 6, you could upgrade or you could switch to Android. They, unfortunately, have the opposite problem where many devices cannot or are not allowed to run the latest version of the OS. Like with Apple, this reality is just the way it is. No amount of complaining will change it. Robert Carter On Oct 4, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hello, Jonathan as always explains things like nobody else and I do agree that the automatic downloading of iOS 7 is maybe not something Apple should force on people even though it is also not new since they did the same with iOS 5 and iOS 6. Here is a point, though, which I wonder about: People mostly complain that on something like a 16 Gb phone this update takes up a lot of space and I would agree that it does. If you only have maybe 3 or 4 Gb free space and this is almost 3 Gb it doesn’t leave you with much. If you use a 16 Gb phone but you don’t really fill your device with music and only use storage space for some apps, maybe a few books or pictures, then you probably have at least 6 or 8 Gb free space in which case it’s a mute point if half of that space is used up by the update since chances are you won’t run out of space. If your phone is so full that maybe you only have 1
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Individual users have individual strengths and weaknesses which will incline them toward different decisions. A weakness for one, coupled with a drawback in an upgrade will mean more than to someone who either has no interest in the item or has a strength in that area. Also, as long as there are upgrades and bug fixes, a decision at x.01 might be reversed or not with x.04. No one can tell for sure even though one can hope. - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 9:47 AM Subject: Re: Automatic iOS 7 download and space considerations I agree that making the download of an upgrade manual is a reasonable request, and I hope people are sending this request into Apple. I'm not sure being able to downgrade, at least forever, is so reasonable though. Apple promises a it just works or a secure, easy to use, worry free environment. Part of this is getting people on the latest level of the software. People complain how much malware there is on Android and Windows or how hard it is to find an Android phone with the latest and greatest operating system and accessibility software and so on. Apple battles security vulnerabilities and issues created by fragmentation by making it as easy as possible for people to move up to the latest and greatest software and encouraging them to do it. IMHO, if people are unhappy with IOS 7 then they should be complaining about IOS 7 and how Apple didn't deliver on it's promises with a new OS and not how they can't go back to IOS 6 or how IOS 7 got on their phone in the first place. You say IOS 7 is sluggish on your family members iPhone 4. Was it also sluggish with IOS 6? Also, I've never heard a lot of grumbling about Windows pushing updates out to people's PC's without their knowledge mostly because I don't ever recall a time when this wasn't a configurable option. I'm not sure analogies with Windows go very far though. The Apple business model and ecosystem is very different than that of Microsoft and the PC. The fact that you get your PC from one company and the operating system from another is one such case. Note that Microsoft is changing it's business model and adapting some of the same characteristics of Apple's wildly successful model. It isn't a coincidence that Microsoft has gotten into the business of making their own tablet hardware and just bought a smart phone handset manufacturer. Of course, Google got into the hardware business themselves not too long ago, and I read an article recently on how Android is pushing out upgrades on it's phones behind the scenes to battle malware and fragmentation in the Android ecosystem. On 10/04/2013 05:03 PM, Grant Hardy wrote: Hi Chris, All analogies aside, I must say that while I personally am not experiencing any showstoppers with iOS 7, I think being able to downgrade, or at least disable the automatic download, is a pretty reasonable request. I personally agree with Jonathan's post and don't see why listers object to that request. A sighted family member has an iPhone 4 with iOS 7 and when I turn on VO to help them, I definitely notice a lot of sluggishness. In the past Microsoft has been chastised for automatically installing updates to the Windows update engine itself without a user's consent. So I don't think Pablo's request is out of the ordinary by any means. Grant -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: October 4, 2013 1:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Automatic iOS 7 download and space considerations Well, I think it's a bad analogy. I think a better analogy is that I want to buy a home in a maintained community where I don't have to worry about security or maintenance. The community will keep my walls fresh and clean. My carpeting will be replaced for me on a regular basis. My lawn will be mowed and trimmed for me. Now to save costs and make sure all of the houses in the community look as nice as possible, I don't get to choose exactly when my home will be painted or the carpeting replaced, and I have limited choices of colors. I'm OK if the maintenance crew needs to keep some paint and supplies in one of my closets. On 10/04/2013 02:40 PM, Pablo Morales wrote: Wow, this issue made me think about a situation very similar. For example, I have a little home, One bed room, one bathroom, a little kitchen and a little living room together. Even though, it is my home, I am the owner of my great home. I clean and put my home nice every day. I had to work very hard to buy this little home, and I love my home. even though, one day, The god apple said. Every body has to paint their homes of red, and I think, oh no, I don't like the red color, no for my walls, it is a very stressful color, and I said no. But God apple sent a group of solders to my home, and they broke my door, and put in my bathroom, the gallons
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Wow, this issue made me think about a situation very similar. For example, I have a little home, One bed room, one bathroom, a little kitchen and a little living room together. Even though, it is my home, I am the owner of my great home. I clean and put my home nice every day. I had to work very hard to buy this little home, and I love my home. even though, one day, The god apple said. Every body has to paint their homes of red, and I think, oh no, I don't like the red color, no for my walls, it is a very stressful color, and I said no. But God apple sent a group of solders to my home, and they broke my door, and put in my bathroom, the gallons of paint, red paint, brushes, and steps, the whole tools to paint my home. Now I got my bathroom full of things that I don't want to use, but I am not able to take this things out of my home. The only way that I have to do it, is paint my home of red, and no matter if I don't like this color, no matter if this color doesn't match with my furniture's, no matter if this color make me stressed. Do you think that is fir? do you think that is legal? I don't see it legal, and I don't see it fir. - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 3:28 PM Subject: Automatic iOS 7 download and space considerations Hello, Jonathan as always explains things like nobody else and I do agree that the automatic downloading of iOS 7 is maybe not something Apple should force on people even though it is also not new since they did the same with iOS 5 and iOS 6. Here is a point, though, which I wonder about: People mostly complain that on something like a 16 Gb phone this update takes up a lot of space and I would agree that it does. If you only have maybe 3 or 4 Gb free space and this is almost 3 Gb it doesn't leave you with much. If you use a 16 Gb phone but you don't really fill your device with music and only use storage space for some apps, maybe a few books or pictures, then you probably have at least 6 or 8 Gb free space in which case it's a mute point if half of that space is used up by the update since chances are you won't run out of space. If your phone is so full that maybe you only have 1 Gb free I wonder what happens then. I somehow doubt Apple randomly can delete stuff from your phone to make room for the update, it is my guess that if you went to Software Update in General Settings it would have an Download and Install option since it could not download the update and if you tried it you would be informed that there wasn't enough space. At that point you would have to take off (un-sync) some music, pictures, books or apps depending on what you have on your phone to fill it up should you want to install the update, afterwards you could resync that content. So, maybe this is something to remember next year as a work-around. If you have a 16 Gb device and don't want a new iOS update to download, simply make sure you fill your device with content and only leave maybe less than 2 Gb free for use, this way there is not enough space for the update to download and you are good to go. If you have 5, 6 or 8 Gb of free space or even more then having the just under 3 Gb download sitting on your device is a mute point. Should people have to do this? No, probably not, I think Apple should put something into the Settings which just as you can turn off automatic app updates allows you to turn off automatic iOS update downloads. They could even have this set to On by default since then it's up to each person who cares enough to not want this to turn it off. Regards, Sieghard a quarter or and have a smaller First, it is my understanding that this only downloads via is a point, though, regarding space. People complain that if they have . OK, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by
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Well, I think it's a bad analogy. I think a better analogy is that I want to buy a home in a maintained community where I don't have to worry about security or maintenance. The community will keep my walls fresh and clean. My carpeting will be replaced for me on a regular basis. My lawn will be mowed and trimmed for me. Now to save costs and make sure all of the houses in the community look as nice as possible, I don't get to choose exactly when my home will be painted or the carpeting replaced, and I have limited choices of colors. I'm OK if the maintenance crew needs to keep some paint and supplies in one of my closets. On 10/04/2013 02:40 PM, Pablo Morales wrote: Wow, this issue made me think about a situation very similar. For example, I have a little home, One bed room, one bathroom, a little kitchen and a little living room together. Even though, it is my home, I am the owner of my great home. I clean and put my home nice every day. I had to work very hard to buy this little home, and I love my home. even though, one day, The god apple said. Every body has to paint their homes of red, and I think, oh no, I don't like the red color, no for my walls, it is a very stressful color, and I said no. But God apple sent a group of solders to my home, and they broke my door, and put in my bathroom, the gallons of paint, red paint, brushes, and steps, the whole tools to paint my home. Now I got my bathroom full of things that I don't want to use, but I am not able to take this things out of my home. The only way that I have to do it, is paint my home of red, and no matter if I don't like this color, no matter if this color doesn't match with my furniture's, no matter if this color make me stressed. Do you think that is fir? do you think that is legal? I don't see it legal, and I don't see it fir. - Original Message - *From:* Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Friday, October 04, 2013 3:28 PM *Subject:* Automatic iOS 7 download and space considerations Hello, Jonathan as always explains things like nobody else and I do agree that the automatic downloading of iOS 7 is maybe not something Apple should force on people even though it is also not new since they did the same with iOS 5 and iOS 6. Here is a point, though, which I wonder about: People mostly complain that on something like a 16 Gb phone this update takes up a lot of space and I would agree that it does. If you only have maybe 3 or 4 Gb free space and this is almost 3 Gb it doesn’t leave you with much. If you use a 16 Gb phone but you don’t really fill your device with music and only use storage space for some apps, maybe a few books or pictures, then you probably have at least 6 or 8 Gb free space in which case it’s a mute point if half of that space is used up by the update since chances are you won’t run out of space. If your phone is so full that maybe you only have 1 Gb free I wonder what happens then. I somehow doubt Apple randomly can delete stuff from your phone to make room for the update, it is my guess that if you went to Software Update in General Settings it would have an “Download and Install” option since it could not download the update and if you tried it you would be informed that there wasn’t enough space. At that point you would have to take off (un-sync) some music, pictures, books or apps depending on what you have on your phone to fill it up should you want to install the update, afterwards you could resync that content. So, maybe this is something to remember next year as a work-around. If you have a 16 Gb device and don’t want a new iOS update to download, simply make sure you fill your device with content and only leave maybe less than 2 Gb free for use, this way there is not enough space for the update to download and you are good to go. If you have 5, 6 or 8 Gb of free space or even more then having the just under 3 Gb download sitting on your device is a mute point. Should people have to do this? No, probably not, I think Apple should put something into the Settings which just as you can turn off automatic app updates allows you to turn off automatic iOS update downloads. They could even have this set to On by default since then it’s up to each person who cares enough to not want this to turn it off. Regards, Sieghard a quarter or and have a smaller First, it is my understanding that this only downloads via is a point, though, regarding space. People complain that if they have . OK, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting
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Ok, it is your right. You want a nice area, a secure area, you want alarm systems that protect your home. It is cool. But It is your right, not your obligation. My right is to use my iPhone how I bought it, but that you call your choice to get a nice security, is no a right, it is a command. Command that brings a lot of bugs, make my Home so tight and unconftable, so now I have to be in my own hhome. So you can do what ever you want with your home, also I have the same right, You want better security. I want my home as I found it when I bought it. One thing is a command, another thing is a right. - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 4:42 PM Subject: Re: Automatic iOS 7 download and space considerations Well, I think it's a bad analogy. I think a better analogy is that I want to buy a home in a maintained community where I don't have to worry about security or maintenance. The community will keep my walls fresh and clean. My carpeting will be replaced for me on a regular basis. My lawn will be mowed and trimmed for me. Now to save costs and make sure all of the houses in the community look as nice as possible, I don't get to choose exactly when my home will be painted or the carpeting replaced, and I have limited choices of colors. I'm OK if the maintenance crew needs to keep some paint and supplies in one of my closets. On 10/04/2013 02:40 PM, Pablo Morales wrote: Wow, this issue made me think about a situation very similar. For example, I have a little home, One bed room, one bathroom, a little kitchen and a little living room together. Even though, it is my home, I am the owner of my great home. I clean and put my home nice every day. I had to work very hard to buy this little home, and I love my home. even though, one day, The god apple said. Every body has to paint their homes of red, and I think, oh no, I don't like the red color, no for my walls, it is a very stressful color, and I said no. But God apple sent a group of solders to my home, and they broke my door, and put in my bathroom, the gallons of paint, red paint, brushes, and steps, the whole tools to paint my home. Now I got my bathroom full of things that I don't want to use, but I am not able to take this things out of my home. The only way that I have to do it, is paint my home of red, and no matter if I don't like this color, no matter if this color doesn't match with my furniture's, no matter if this color make me stressed. Do you think that is fir? do you think that is legal? I don't see it legal, and I don't see it fir. - Original Message - *From:* Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Friday, October 04, 2013 3:28 PM *Subject:* Automatic iOS 7 download and space considerations Hello, Jonathan as always explains things like nobody else and I do agree that the automatic downloading of iOS 7 is maybe not something Apple should force on people even though it is also not new since they did the same with iOS 5 and iOS 6. Here is a point, though, which I wonder about: People mostly complain that on something like a 16 Gb phone this update takes up a lot of space and I would agree that it does. If you only have maybe 3 or 4 Gb free space and this is almost 3 Gb it doesn’t leave you with much. If you use a 16 Gb phone but you don’t really fill your device with music and only use storage space for some apps, maybe a few books or pictures, then you probably have at least 6 or 8 Gb free space in which case it’s a mute point if half of that space is used up by the update since chances are you won’t run out of space. If your phone is so full that maybe you only have 1 Gb free I wonder what happens then. I somehow doubt Apple randomly can delete stuff from your phone to make room for the update, it is my guess that if you went to Software Update in General Settings it would have an “Download and Install” option since it could not download the update and if you tried it you would be informed that there wasn’t enough space. At that point you would have to take off (un-sync) some music, pictures, books or apps depending on what you have on your phone to fill it up should you want to install the update, afterwards you could resync that content. So, maybe this is something to remember next year as a work-around. If you have a 16 Gb device and don’t want a new iOS update to download, simply make sure you fill your device with content and only leave maybe less than 2 Gb free for use, this way there is not enough space for the update to download and you are good to go. If you have 5, 6 or 8 Gb of free space or even more then having the just under 3 Gb download sitting on your device is a mute point. Should
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I only use my 4s for apps and have 11.1 gb on it. being that I have a 16 gb this is why I don't download music and delete books that I read when I do read after reading them. - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 3:28 PM Subject: Automatic iOS 7 download and space considerations Hello, Jonathan as always explains things like nobody else and I do agree that the automatic downloading of iOS 7 is maybe not something Apple should force on people even though it is also not new since they did the same with iOS 5 and iOS 6. Here is a point, though, which I wonder about: People mostly complain that on something like a 16 Gb phone this update takes up a lot of space and I would agree that it does. If you only have maybe 3 or 4 Gb free space and this is almost 3 Gb it doesn't leave you with much. If you use a 16 Gb phone but you don't really fill your device with music and only use storage space for some apps, maybe a few books or pictures, then you probably have at least 6 or 8 Gb free space in which case it's a mute point if half of that space is used up by the update since chances are you won't run out of space. If your phone is so full that maybe you only have 1 Gb free I wonder what happens then. I somehow doubt Apple randomly can delete stuff from your phone to make room for the update, it is my guess that if you went to Software Update in General Settings it would have an Download and Install option since it could not download the update and if you tried it you would be informed that there wasn't enough space. At that point you would have to take off (un-sync) some music, pictures, books or apps depending on what you have on your phone to fill it up should you want to install the update, afterwards you could resync that content. So, maybe this is something to remember next year as a work-around. If you have a 16 Gb device and don't want a new iOS update to download, simply make sure you fill your device with content and only leave maybe less than 2 Gb free for use, this way there is not enough space for the update to download and you are good to go. If you have 5, 6 or 8 Gb of free space or even more then having the just under 3 Gb download sitting on your device is a mute point. Should people have to do this? No, probably not, I think Apple should put something into the Settings which just as you can turn off automatic app updates allows you to turn off automatic iOS update downloads. They could even have this set to On by default since then it's up to each person who cares enough to not want this to turn it off. Regards, Sieghard a quarter or and have a smaller First, it is my understanding that this only downloads via is a point, though, regarding space. People complain that if they have . OK, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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lol, Its the same analogy. You just made it sound more pleasant. haha. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 4, 2013, at 4:42 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I think it's a bad analogy. I think a better analogy is that I want to buy a home in a maintained community where I don't have to worry about security or maintenance. The community will keep my walls fresh and clean. My carpeting will be replaced for me on a regular basis. My lawn will be mowed and trimmed for me. Now to save costs and make sure all of the houses in the community look as nice as possible, I don't get to choose exactly when my home will be painted or the carpeting replaced, and I have limited choices of colors. I'm OK if the maintenance crew needs to keep some paint and supplies in one of my closets. On 10/04/2013 02:40 PM, Pablo Morales wrote: Wow, this issue made me think about a situation very similar. For example, I have a little home, One bed room, one bathroom, a little kitchen and a little living room together. Even though, it is my home, I am the owner of my great home. I clean and put my home nice every day. I had to work very hard to buy this little home, and I love my home. even though, one day, The god apple said. Every body has to paint their homes of red, and I think, oh no, I don't like the red color, no for my walls, it is a very stressful color, and I said no. But God apple sent a group of solders to my home, and they broke my door, and put in my bathroom, the gallons of paint, red paint, brushes, and steps, the whole tools to paint my home. Now I got my bathroom full of things that I don't want to use, but I am not able to take this things out of my home. The only way that I have to do it, is paint my home of red, and no matter if I don't like this color, no matter if this color doesn't match with my furniture's, no matter if this color make me stressed. Do you think that is fir? do you think that is legal? I don't see it legal, and I don't see it fir. - Original Message - *From:* Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Friday, October 04, 2013 3:28 PM *Subject:* Automatic iOS 7 download and space considerations Hello, Jonathan as always explains things like nobody else and I do agree that the automatic downloading of iOS 7 is maybe not something Apple should force on people even though it is also not new since they did the same with iOS 5 and iOS 6. Here is a point, though, which I wonder about: People mostly complain that on something like a 16 Gb phone this update takes up a lot of space and I would agree that it does. If you only have maybe 3 or 4 Gb free space and this is almost 3 Gb it doesn’t leave you with much. If you use a 16 Gb phone but you don’t really fill your device with music and only use storage space for some apps, maybe a few books or pictures, then you probably have at least 6 or 8 Gb free space in which case it’s a mute point if half of that space is used up by the update since chances are you won’t run out of space. If your phone is so full that maybe you only have 1 Gb free I wonder what happens then. I somehow doubt Apple randomly can delete stuff from your phone to make room for the update, it is my guess that if you went to Software Update in General Settings it would have an “Download and Install” option since it could not download the update and if you tried it you would be informed that there wasn’t enough space. At that point you would have to take off (un-sync) some music, pictures, books or apps depending on what you have on your phone to fill it up should you want to install the update, afterwards you could resync that content. So, maybe this is something to remember next year as a work-around. If you have a 16 Gb device and don’t want a new iOS update to download, simply make sure you fill your device with content and only leave maybe less than 2 Gb free for use, this way there is not enough space for the update to download and you are good to go. If you have 5, 6 or 8 Gb of free space or even more then having the just under 3 Gb download sitting on your device is a mute point. Should people have to do this? No, probably not, I think Apple should put something into the Settings which just as you can turn off automatic app updates allows you to turn off automatic iOS update downloads. They could even have this set to On by default since then it’s up to each person who cares enough to not want this to turn it off. Regards, Sieghard a quarter or and have a smaller First, it is my understanding that this only downloads via is a point, though, regarding space. People
Re: Automatic iOS 7 download and space considerations
From Apple's point of view, auto-update makes a great deal of sense. 1. They can quickly patch security holes that are introduced by hackers. 2. They can make sure your system always stays up-to-date. Google has been employing similar technique in their Chrome browser and users learned to trust and rely on this methodology. So, I don't think the auto-update is as evil as many try to portray it. Just my two cents. V On Friday, October 4, 2013 3:01:32 PM UTC-7, Troy Sullivan wrote: I only use my 4s for apps and have 11.1 gb on it. being that I have a 16 gb this is why I don't download music and delete books that I read when I do read after reading them. - Original Message - *From:* Sieghard Weitzel javascript: *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Sent:* Friday, October 04, 2013 3:28 PM *Subject:* Automatic iOS 7 download and space considerations Hello, Jonathan as always explains things like nobody else and I do agree that the automatic downloading of iOS 7 is maybe not something Apple should force on people even though it is also not new since they did the same with iOS 5 and iOS 6. Here is a point, though, which I wonder about: People mostly complain that on something like a 16 Gb phone this update takes up a lot of space and I would agree that it does. If you only have maybe 3 or 4 Gb free space and this is almost 3 Gb it doesn’t leave you with much. If you use a 16 Gb phone but you don’t really fill your device with music and only use storage space for some apps, maybe a few books or pictures, then you probably have at least 6 or 8 Gb free space in which case it’s a mute point if half of that space is used up by the update since chances are you won’t run out of space. If your phone is so full that maybe you only have 1 Gb free I wonder what happens then. I somehow doubt Apple randomly can delete stuff from your phone to make room for the update, it is my guess that if you went to Software Update in General Settings it would have an “Download and Install” option since it could not download the update and if you tried it you would be informed that there wasn’t enough space. At that point you would have to take off (un-sync) some music, pictures, books or apps depending on what you have on your phone to fill it up should you want to install the update, afterwards you could resync that content. So, maybe this is something to remember next year as a work-around. If you have a 16 Gb device and don’t want a new iOS update to download, simply make sure you fill your device with content and only leave maybe less than 2 Gb free for use, this way there is not enough space for the update to download and you are good to go. If you have 5, 6 or 8 Gb of free space or even more then having the just under 3 Gb download sitting on your device is a mute point. Should people have to do this? No, probably not, I think Apple should put something into the Settings which just as you can turn off automatic app updates allows you to turn off automatic iOS update downloads. They could even have this set to On by default since then it’s up to each person who cares enough to not want this to turn it off. Regards, Sieghard a quarter or and have a smaller First, it is my understanding that this only downloads via is a point, though, regarding space. People complain that if they have . OK, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing vip...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphon...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+u...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+u...@googlegroups.com javascript:. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To
