RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Bonnie Blose]

It was really nice of you to give this in depth explanation and I learned a lot 
from what you wrote. I don't have a guide dog but believe it is wonderful to 
learn even if the information does not apply to me. It may come in handy for 
someone I meet. If I don't have that opportunity, I still have the knowledge 
you shared. Thanks. 

Bonnie Blose

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Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2019 7:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

Dave, that Amazon comment was very ignorant and entirely inappropriate.
Kiruna is from India and you may want to remember that not everybody knows 
about everything.
I am in Canada and I get lots of people who ask me where I got my guide dog 
from, how much they are and if I have to pay for them.
And just in case this is something you didn't know, India is part of the 
Commonwealth just as Canada, Australia, Pakistan, Nigeria and other countries 
are so maybe it would be possible for somebody from a Commonwealth country 
where there is no guide dog school to apply to a guide dog school in another 
Commonwealth country and be accepted to get a dog. I am not saying this is so, 
but it is certainly possible.
I am in Canada yet I can apply at any US guide dog school to get a dog if I so 
choose even though we have several guide dog schools in Canada. My first dog 
was from Leader Dogs for the Blind in Rochester, Michigan and among the I think 
24 people who were there in my group to get dogs 4 came from Spain on some 
arrangement the Spanish government or maybe it was some sort of Spanish not for 
profit group had with Leader Dogs.

Since nobody explained to Kiruna what the usual process is to get a guide dog, 
I will do so in general terms.
You apply to a guide dog school, if it is the first time you get a dog from 
them they typically would visit you where you live, they would want to see your 
home and where you work (if you work) and they would also want to see you walk 
around with a cane or your previous guide dog if you currently have one to 
assess your mobility skills and so on.
If they accept you, they will at some point let you know when you can get a 
dog, some schools have fairly long waiting lists. Once you get the date you 
have to go to the school for typically a 3-week training course where you get 
to know your dog and your dog gets to know you. Walking with a guide dog 
requires training just as walking with a cane does and if you have never had a 
dog you have to of course learn how to care for the dog, this includes 
grooming, feeding and picking up the dog poop in a little plastic bag; I know, 
sounds shitty, but I shit you not.
After your course you get to take your dog home, some schools may also send a 
guide dog trainer home with you to do some more training in your own 
environment or some schools may ask you to come for a shorter course at the 
school and then you do more one-on-one training in your own city/town. In rare 
cases a trainer may even come to you and do the entire training with you in 
your city/town, but I think most schools would need a good reason to do this.
Most schools also like to follow up with you on an annual bases and they may 
send a trainer to do a walk with you and evaluate how things are going.
Keep in mind that when you get a dog that dog is not yours. I assume all 
schools are the same in this respect, but should you not care for the dog 
properly they do have the right to take it away from you and I have heard of a 
few cases where this was done.
As for the cost to train a dog, including breeding programs, puppy raising, 
training and after-care it is I believe around $30,000 or $35,000 US so 
actually buying a guide dog is not something most people could afford if the 
schools weren't not for profit organizations who are financed from donations, 
fund raising events, money bequeathed to them and so on. I believe in England 
the government is involved as well and in Germany the health insurance pays for 
guide dogs as well as for things like dog food, vet costs etc.

Lastly, remember the country where you live. How accepted are dogs there? I 
haven't been to India with or without a dog, but I did once take my guide dog 
to the Philippines where my wife is from. This was actually my first trip there 
in 2009 and when we first met in person. I got all the paperwork done and I 
wish I had not taken him. The first week was OK, we stayed on a small island 
where we had rented a house together with another friend of mine from Germany 
who is also married to a Filipina. The second week when I was back in the 
Manila area I could not take my dog anywhere, not even into a Mcdonald's. We 
did have a hotel which allowed pets for a fee and while a guide dog here is not 
considered a pet and has rights, these do not apply in other countries. We 
usually only went out for an hour or two at a time because I

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From: 'jan howells' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
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When I lived in Philadelphia, someone in my building passed from a heart 
attack.  I was holding his dog so that the Seeing Eye could come and get him.  
My dog was at the vet at the moment.  
She had gotten pancreatitis.  When I went to take her to the vet, I asked 
someone to mind the other dog that I was holding.  She fed the dog.  Then she 
asked someone else to take the dog, and she fed the dog again.  I was asked by 
a neighbor in the building on my floor to visit them without the dog with me.  
When I got to my apt, the dog had spent all over my living room.  I then took 
him out, and he spent again.  When the Seeing Eye came to get the dog, I asked 
if I could have the harness handle, because mine was coming apart.  The 
instructor asked me what I planned to do with it.  I wish I could have seen his 
face.  LOL!!

Jan

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RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 🙏

['jan howells' via VIPhone]

When I lived in Philadelphia, someone in my building passed from 
a heart attack.  I was holding his dog so that the Seeing Eye 
could come and get him.  My dog was at the vet at the moment.  
She had gotten pancreatitis.  When I went to take her to the vet, 
I asked someone to mind the other dog that I was holding.  She 
fed the dog.  Then she asked someone else to take the dog, and 
she fed the dog again.  I was asked by a neighbor in the building 
on my floor to visit them without the dog with me.  When I got to 
my apt, the dog had spent all over my living room.  I then took 
him out, and he spent again.  When the Seeing Eye came to get the 
dog, I asked if I could have the harness handle, because mine was 
coming apart.  The instructor asked me what I planned to do with 
it.  I wish I could have seen his face.  LOL!!


Jan

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RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I had just turned 18 at the end of May and was June/July of 95. Was going to 
start university later that year. I think generally they tried keeping the 
international (Spanish speaking) students bunched into a few graduating 
classes, but being that I was from California originally and English wasn’t  a 
problem for me, I was able to get into an off-cycle class.
I wasn’t so lucky. I got stuck rooming with a guy a couple of years older than 
me who was kind of a pill. But alas, you have to deal with all sorts of people 
in life. 
Being that I was going to be the first blind person with a guide pretty much in 
my state and the first blind person to go to my particular university’s 
business department, when they asked me what kind of dog I was looking for, I 
said that I wanted one that didn’t look friendly and wasn’t quick to wag its 
tail. I knew I was going to have a hard time dealing with folks everywhere I 
went since the concept of a service animal was an unfamiliar one down there. I 
knew I was going to face everything from outright hostility to well intentioned 
curiosity. If I could cut down on the people coming up to me for whatever 
reason, the better.
I got pared up with Ockto. A 90 pound German Shepherd. Between my 6 foot 2 
inch-self and the dog, I’m sure we stuck out, but hopefully the unwanted 
interactions were reduced a bit.
I dealt with similar experiences you described with taxis, people and other 
places a lot, but you can’t let misinformed people stop you from trying to get 
on with things.
Anyway, I couldn’t give Ockto up after it was clear he could no longer guide. 
He meant too much to me since we sort of grew up and went to college together. 
I finally had to put him down a couple of months before his 14th birthday in 
2007. Best dog I ever had. 
I haven’t gotten another guide since. My life circumstances have changed with 
running my business from home and living out in the burbs, it’s not exactly a 
walkable community. I could talk myself into getting another dog, but one has 
to be realistic and fair to the animal too. I wouldn’t nearly use its skills as 
much as someone else would. A guide dog’s abilities for me right now would be a 
waste of its talents and the effort put into training it.
I too once lost Ockto’s harness. I think I left it behind at some school soccer 
game. Funny that Leader Dogs didn’t charge me for a replacement. They airmailed 
me a new one along with one of those nice leashes at no cost. Naturally after 
they shipped it out to me, someone showed up with the harness that I lost to 
hand over to me.

Cristóbal

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
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Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 8:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

Hi Cristobal,

We might have almost met then, I got my first dog, Buddy, from them in 
April/May 1994 (I was 27 then).
It was an interesting experience, but they are a big school and run big 
classes. My room-mate was a guy in his early 50's, very overweight and a few 
days into the course he had a heart attack and had to go home. I think Leader 
Dogs delivered his dog to him later, I ended up with the only single room.
Another gentleman was from Texas and he was blind because if I remember 
correctly he owned a bar, heard something at night and in good American fashion 
was sleeping with a loaded handgun under the pillow. Unfortunately in during 
his still sleep befuddled state he shot himself in the head. I think I was the 
youngest in that group at the time, a good experience and I ended up with an 
awesome dog, my first at the time, but after I went home I never heard from 
Leader Dogs again which I thought was strange. About 6 or 8 years later I lost 
my harness which I think fell out of a friends truck on a parking lot, but it 
was never turned in, and when I called Leader Dogs I was told I could certainly 
get a new one at the cost of $250 which I thought was a bit excessive, but I 
didn't have much of a choice. At the time I was also not told much at all about 
my yellow lab, not even his exact birthdate. I was only told he was 22 months 
old. Again, years later I complained about this and suddenly I was told that 
the records had been computerized by now and after providing the dog's number 
she told me within 1 minute what his birthdate was.
Buddy guided for 11 years until he was 13, then I got my second dog from BC 
Guide dog Services near Vancouver. At the time there was 4 of us getting a dog 
and while they normally do most of the training at people's places, this time 
they put us as well as the 2 guide dog instructors who were still in their 
apprenticeship up at a nice hotel, Bill, the person who started the school was 
also actively training one of the students and for the fourth one he had asked 
a friend who was a guide dog instructor from England where Bill was as well 
before coming to Canada to come over and help

Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Jewel]

All the nations/countries that are members of the Commonwealth:  formerly, the 
* british 
Commonwealth of Nations are independent.

Jewel

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I did not know that India was part of the Common Wealth - thought it 
independent. Incidentally, 
going to Indian doctor this afternoon. I know this is not iPhone related, but I 
was just so shocked 
that India is part of the Common Wealth.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 7:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

Dave, that Amazon comment was very ignorant and entirely inappropriate.
Kiruna is from India and you may want to remember that not everybody knows 
about everything.
I am in Canada and I get lots of people who ask me where I got my guide dog 
from, how much they are 
and if I have to pay for them.
And just in case this is something you didn't know, India is part of the 
Commonwealth just as 
Canada, Australia, Pakistan, Nigeria and other countries are so maybe it would 
be possible for 
somebody from a Commonwealth country where there is no guide dog school to 
apply to a guide dog 
school in another Commonwealth country and be accepted to get a dog. I am not 
saying this is so, but 
it is certainly possible.
I am in Canada yet I can apply at any US guide dog school to get a dog if I so 
choose even though we 
have several guide dog schools in Canada. My first dog was from Leader Dogs for 
the Blind in 
Rochester, Michigan and among the I think 24 people who were there in my group 
to get dogs 4 came 
from Spain on some arrangement the Spanish government or maybe it was some sort 
of Spanish not for 
profit group had with Leader Dogs.

Since nobody explained to Kiruna what the usual process is to get a guide dog, 
I will do so in 
general terms.
You apply to a guide dog school, if it is the first time you get a dog from 
them they typically 
would visit you where you live, they would want to see your home and where you 
work (if you work) 
and they would also want to see you walk around with a cane or your previous 
guide dog if you 
currently have one to assess your mobility skills and so on.
If they accept you, they will at some point let you know when you can get a 
dog, some schools have 
fairly long waiting lists. Once you get the date you have to go to the school 
for typically a 3-week 
training course where you get to know your dog and your dog gets to know you. 
Walking with a guide 
dog requires training just as walking with a cane does and if you have never 
had a dog you have to 
of course learn how to care for the dog, this includes grooming, feeding and 
picking up the dog poop 
in a little plastic bag; I know, sounds shitty, but I shit you not.
After your course you get to take your dog home, some schools may also send a 
guide dog trainer home 
with you to do some more training in your own environment or some schools may 
ask you to come for a 
shorter course at the school and then you do more one-on-one training in your 
own city/town. In rare 
cases a trainer may even come to you and do the entire training with you in 
your city/town, but I 
think most schools would need a good reason to do this.
Most schools also like to follow up with you on an annual bases and they may 
send a trainer to do a 
walk with you and evaluate how things are going.
Keep in mind that when you get a dog that dog is not yours. I assume all 
schools are the same in 
this respect, but should you not care for the dog properly they do have the 
right to take it away 
from you and I have heard of a few cases where this was done.
As for the cost to train a dog, including breeding programs, puppy raising, 
training and after-care 
it is I believe around $30,000 or $35,000 US so actually buying a guide dog is 
not something most 
people could afford if the schools weren't not for profit organizations who are 
financed from 
donations, fund raising events, money bequeathed to them and so on. I believe 
in England the 
government is involved as well and in Germany the health insurance pays for 
guide dogs as well as 
for things like dog food, vet costs etc.

Lastly, remember the country where you live. How accepted are dogs there? I 
haven't been to India 
with or without a dog, but I did once take my guide dog to the Philippines 
where my wife is from. 
This was actually my first trip there in 2009 and when we first met in person. 
I got all the 
paperwork done and I wish I had not taken him. The first week was OK, we stayed 
on a small island 
where we had rented a house together with another friend of mine from Germany 
who is also married to 
a Filipina. The second week

RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Carolyn]

Mine is a good guide too - he's a West Virginian, and that good old country boy 
tickles me to death telling me that Melania Trump needs his help to pick out 
clothes! Me, maybe? But Melania? I don't think so.  

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Holly
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Mr. Ed:

He is just an old mongrel.

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[Holly]

Mr. Ed:

He is just an old mongrel.

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[goshawk on horseback]

sounds a bit like myself, as on land, I have no sense of direction, so don't 
do any walking either.
being an open water swimming fanatic, a guide sea lion would be better for 
me, if only!

Simon


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Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 


My dear Holly I wouldn't be approved because I don't walk anywhere by
myself.  My dog would have nothing to do.  I use very limited public
transportation to go places like to lunch or our local music store if
I need anything for my guitars.  My mobility skills aren't as good as
they should be.  Although I really do like dogs.  We have two dogs as
pets and on cold winter days like today the dogs like to sleep in bed
with me and keep me warm.

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> Why do you think you wouldn't be approved for a guide dog?  Just curious.
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[Mr. Ed]

Hi,
What breed is that husband of yours? LOL 
Mr. Ed

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Josh:

I can see your point.  I, myself, don't go out alone at all.

I have a husband that functions as a guide dog.  Hahahaha.

Also, love dogs and we have a Boston terrier that sleeps in bed too.

My computer instructor, from our local blind foundation, is now in New 
Jersey, training with his fourth dog.  The last one he had for 18 months 
didn't work out, so he is now a house pet. 

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Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Holly]

Josh:

I can see your point.  I, myself, don't go out alone at all.

I have a husband that functions as a guide dog.  Hahahaha.

Also, love dogs and we have a Boston terrier that sleeps in bed too.

My computer instructor, from our local blind foundation, is now in New 
Jersey, training with his fourth dog.  The last one he had for 18 months 
didn't work out, so he is now a house pet. 


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Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Joshua Hendrickson]

My dear Holly I wouldn't be approved because I don't walk anywhere by
myself.  My dog would have nothing to do.  I use very limited public
transportation to go places like to lunch or our local music store if
I need anything for my guitars.  My mobility skills aren't as good as
they should be.  Although I really do like dogs.  We have two dogs as
pets and on cold winter days like today the dogs like to sleep in bed
with me and keep me warm.

On 12/2/19, Holly  wrote:
> Josh:
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> Why do you think you wouldn't be approved for a guide dog?  Just curious.
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RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 🙏

['jan howells' via VIPhone]

Yes, Pam is correct.

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Josh:

Why do you think you wouldn't be approved for a guide dog?  Just curious.

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Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Guide dogs aren't for me.  Several years ago, I did visit Seeing Eye
in New Jersey.  It was an interesting experience.  I don't really do a
lot of walking in my small town.  I know I wouldn't be approved even
if I did want a guide dog.

On 12/2/19, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND  wrote:
> Yes, good explanation.
>
> Just an FYI, not all schools retain ownership of the dog.  When you get a
> dog from Seeing Eye in New Jersey, it becomes yours when you leave the
> school
>
> Pam
>
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Mr.
> Ed [pink...@abe.midco.net]
> Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 12:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 
>
> Hi Sieghard,
> You explain it very well. I have had two guide dogs from Guiding Eyes for
> the Blind which is in New York. I just want to make one correction. I got my
> last guide from GEB in May of 2018. I understand that it now cost around
> $50,000 now to raise and train a guide dog.
> So as you can see at that cost all the guide dog schools don't just hand out
> a guide dog to anyone. That is why you have to be tested and check out
> before you are granted permission to train to get a guide dog.
> Mr. Ed
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2019 6:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 
>
> Dave, that Amazon comment was very ignorant and entirely inappropriate.
> Kiruna is from India and you may want to remember that not everybody knows
> about everything.
> I am in Canada and I get lots of people who ask me where I got my guide dog
> from, how much they are and if I have to pay for them.
> And just in case this is something you didn't know, India is part of the
> Commonwealth just as Canada, Australia, Pakistan, Nigeria and other
> countries are so maybe it would be possible for somebody from a Commonwealth
> country where there is no guide dog school to apply to a guide dog school in
> another Commonwealth country and be accepted to get a dog. I am not saying
> this is so, but it is certainly possible.
> I am in Canada yet I can apply at any US guide dog school to get a dog if I
> so choose even though we have several guide dog schools in Canada. My first
> dog was from Leader Dogs for the Blind in Rochester, Michigan and among the
> I think 24 people who were there in my group to get dogs 4 came from Spain
> on some arrangement the Spanish government or maybe it was some sort of
> Spanish not for profit group had with Leader Dogs.
>
> Since nobody explained to Kiruna what the usual process is to get a guide
> dog, I will do so in general terms.
> You apply to a guide dog school, if it is the first time you get a dog from
> them they typically would visit you where you live, they would want to see
> your home and where you work (if you work) and they would also want to see
> you walk around with a cane or your previous guide dog if you currently have
> one to assess your mobility skills and so on.
> If they accept you, they will at some point let you know when you can get a
> dog, some schools have fairly long waiting lists. Once you get the date you
> have to go to the school for typically a 3-week training course where you
> get to know your dog and your dog gets to know you. Walking with a guide dog
> requires training just as walking with a cane does and if you have never had
> a dog you have to of course learn how to care for the dog, this includes
> grooming, feeding and picking up the dog poop in a little plastic bag; I
> know, sounds shitty, but I shit you not.
> After your course you get to take your dog home, some schools may also send
> a guide dog trainer home with you to do some more training in your own
> environment or some schools may ask you to come for a shorter course at the
> school and then you do more one-on-one training in your own city/town. In
> rare cases a trainer may even come to you and do the entire training with
> you in your city/town, but I think most schools would need a good reason to
> do this.
> Most schools also like to follow up with you on an annual bases and they may
> send a trainer to do a walk with you and evaluate how things are going.
> Keep in mind that when you get a dog that dog is not yours. I assume all
> schools are the same in this respect, but should you not care for the dog
> properly they do have the right to take it away from you and I have heard of
> a few cases where this was done.
> As for the cost to train a dog, including breeding programs, puppy raising,
> training and after-

RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Yes, good explanation.

Just an FYI, not all schools retain ownership of the dog.  When you get a dog 
from Seeing Eye in New Jersey, it becomes yours when you leave the school

Pam 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Mr. Ed 
[pink...@abe.midco.net]
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 12:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

Hi Sieghard,
You explain it very well. I have had two guide dogs from Guiding Eyes for the 
Blind which is in New York. I just want to make one correction. I got my last 
guide from GEB in May of 2018. I understand that it now cost around $50,000 now 
to raise and train a guide dog.
So as you can see at that cost all the guide dog schools don't just hand out a 
guide dog to anyone. That is why you have to be tested and check out before you 
are granted permission to train to get a guide dog.
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2019 6:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

Dave, that Amazon comment was very ignorant and entirely inappropriate.
Kiruna is from India and you may want to remember that not everybody knows 
about everything.
I am in Canada and I get lots of people who ask me where I got my guide dog 
from, how much they are and if I have to pay for them.
And just in case this is something you didn't know, India is part of the 
Commonwealth just as Canada, Australia, Pakistan, Nigeria and other countries 
are so maybe it would be possible for somebody from a Commonwealth country 
where there is no guide dog school to apply to a guide dog school in another 
Commonwealth country and be accepted to get a dog. I am not saying this is so, 
but it is certainly possible.
I am in Canada yet I can apply at any US guide dog school to get a dog if I so 
choose even though we have several guide dog schools in Canada. My first dog 
was from Leader Dogs for the Blind in Rochester, Michigan and among the I think 
24 people who were there in my group to get dogs 4 came from Spain on some 
arrangement the Spanish government or maybe it was some sort of Spanish not for 
profit group had with Leader Dogs.

Since nobody explained to Kiruna what the usual process is to get a guide dog, 
I will do so in general terms.
You apply to a guide dog school, if it is the first time you get a dog from 
them they typically would visit you where you live, they would want to see your 
home and where you work (if you work) and they would also want to see you walk 
around with a cane or your previous guide dog if you currently have one to 
assess your mobility skills and so on.
If they accept you, they will at some point let you know when you can get a 
dog, some schools have fairly long waiting lists. Once you get the date you 
have to go to the school for typically a 3-week training course where you get 
to know your dog and your dog gets to know you. Walking with a guide dog 
requires training just as walking with a cane does and if you have never had a 
dog you have to of course learn how to care for the dog, this includes 
grooming, feeding and picking up the dog poop in a little plastic bag; I know, 
sounds shitty, but I shit you not.
After your course you get to take your dog home, some schools may also send a 
guide dog trainer home with you to do some more training in your own 
environment or some schools may ask you to come for a shorter course at the 
school and then you do more one-on-one training in your own city/town. In rare 
cases a trainer may even come to you and do the entire training with you in 
your city/town, but I think most schools would need a good reason to do this.
Most schools also like to follow up with you on an annual bases and they may 
send a trainer to do a walk with you and evaluate how things are going.
Keep in mind that when you get a dog that dog is not yours. I assume all 
schools are the same in this respect, but should you not care for the dog 
properly they do have the right to take it away from you and I have heard of a 
few cases where this was done.
As for the cost to train a dog, including breeding programs, puppy raising, 
training and after-care it is I believe around $30,000 or $35,000 US so 
actually buying a guide dog is not something most people could afford if the 
schools weren't not for profit organizations who are financed from donations, 
fund raising events, money bequeathed to them and so on. I believe in England 
the government is involved as well and in Germany the health insurance pays for 
guide dogs as well as for things like dog food, vet costs etc.

Lastly, remember the country where you live. How accepted are dogs there? I 
haven't been to India with or without a dog, but I did once take my guide dog 
to the Philippines where my wife is from

RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Mr. Ed]

Hi,
They come out from GEB and check you out.
Mr. Ed

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Janet Bell
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 10:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

very interesting story. can I just ask you if before you get trained for a 
new guide dog do mobility instructors come and take you out with a stick to 
see what your mobility is like?

-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 4:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

Hi Cristobal,

We might have almost met then, I got my first dog, Buddy, from them in 
April/May 1994 (I was 27 then).
It was an interesting experience, but they are a big school and run big 
classes. My room-mate was a guy in his early 50's, very overweight and a few 
days into the course he had a heart attack and had to go home. I think 
Leader Dogs delivered his dog to him later, I ended up with the only single 
room.
Another gentleman was from Texas and he was blind because if I remember 
correctly he owned a bar, heard something at night and in good American 
fashion was sleeping with a loaded handgun under the pillow. Unfortunately 
in during his still sleep befuddled state he shot himself in the head. I 
think I was the youngest in that group at the time, a good experience and I 
ended up with an awesome dog, my first at the time, but after I went home I 
never heard from Leader Dogs again which I thought was strange. About 6 or 8 
years later I lost my harness which I think fell out of a friends truck on a 
parking lot, but it was never turned in, and when I called Leader Dogs I was 
told I could certainly get a new one at the cost of $250 which I thought was 
a bit excessive, but I didn't have much of a choice. At the time I was also 
not told much at all about my yellow lab, not even his exact birthdate. I 
was only told he was 22 months old. Again, years later I complained about 
this and suddenly I was told that the records had been computerized by now 
and after providing the dog's number she told me within 1 minute what his 
birthdate was.
Buddy guided for 11 years until he was 13, then I got my second dog from BC 
Guide dog Services near Vancouver. At the time there was 4 of us getting a 
dog and while they normally do most of the training at people's places, this 
time they put us as well as the 2 guide dog instructors who were still in 
their apprenticeship up at a nice hotel, Bill, the person who started the 
school was also actively training one of the students and for the fourth one 
he had asked a friend who was a guide dog instructor from England where Bill 
was as well before coming to Canada to come over and help out. Every day 
after we had breakfast together at the hotel 2 students and 2 instructors 
would get into a van each and we'd drive into various places in Vancouver, 
train for a few hours in the morning, then meet up for lunch at some 
restaurant we decided on in the morning for lunch, then a few more hours in 
the afternoon and back to the hotel for a bit of downtime before we'd meet 
again in the evening for dinner at the hotel or a nearby restaurant. It was 
an incredible experience and my dog, Mulligan, a 90 pound Black Lab/Golden 
Retriever cross (all black in colour but with the Golden Retriever built and 
fur) was fantastic and he hold a pretty special place in my heart even 
though my current dog, Radar, another yellow lab also from BC Guide dogs, is 
also very good. After 2 or two and a half weeks of training in Vancouver I 
flew home and the following Monday my instructor flew up to Smithers which 
is about an hour and a half North of Vancouver, to train with me here for 
another 5 days.
Mulligan guided from May 2005 until I got Radar in November/December 2015, 
normally BC Guide Dogs wants that their dogs retire when they are 10 years 
old,
But at the time they had a bit of a shortage of dogs and I live in a small 
town of 6000 people where the work is pretty relaxed and low-key so Mulligan 
retired at 12 and that was after tearing his ACL when he was 10 and having 
surgery. Radar is now five and a half and also a fun dog and good guide, I 
certainly am very happy with that school..


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 6:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

Got my dog from Leader Dogs in 95 as well. At the time, I was living in 
Mexico. They were I think at the time one of if not the only guide dog 
school that accepted international students.

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 4:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

Dave

RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Sieghard,
You explain it very well. I have had two guide dogs from Guiding Eyes for the 
Blind which is in New York. I just want to make one correction. I got my last 
guide from GEB in May of 2018. I understand that it now cost around $50,000 now 
to raise and train a guide dog.
So as you can see at that cost all the guide dog schools don't just hand out a 
guide dog to anyone. That is why you have to be tested and check out before you 
are granted permission to train to get a guide dog.
Mr. Ed 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2019 6:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

Dave, that Amazon comment was very ignorant and entirely inappropriate.
Kiruna is from India and you may want to remember that not everybody knows 
about everything.
I am in Canada and I get lots of people who ask me where I got my guide dog 
from, how much they are and if I have to pay for them.
And just in case this is something you didn't know, India is part of the 
Commonwealth just as Canada, Australia, Pakistan, Nigeria and other countries 
are so maybe it would be possible for somebody from a Commonwealth country 
where there is no guide dog school to apply to a guide dog school in another 
Commonwealth country and be accepted to get a dog. I am not saying this is so, 
but it is certainly possible.
I am in Canada yet I can apply at any US guide dog school to get a dog if I so 
choose even though we have several guide dog schools in Canada. My first dog 
was from Leader Dogs for the Blind in Rochester, Michigan and among the I think 
24 people who were there in my group to get dogs 4 came from Spain on some 
arrangement the Spanish government or maybe it was some sort of Spanish not for 
profit group had with Leader Dogs.

Since nobody explained to Kiruna what the usual process is to get a guide dog, 
I will do so in general terms.
You apply to a guide dog school, if it is the first time you get a dog from 
them they typically would visit you where you live, they would want to see your 
home and where you work (if you work) and they would also want to see you walk 
around with a cane or your previous guide dog if you currently have one to 
assess your mobility skills and so on.
If they accept you, they will at some point let you know when you can get a 
dog, some schools have fairly long waiting lists. Once you get the date you 
have to go to the school for typically a 3-week training course where you get 
to know your dog and your dog gets to know you. Walking with a guide dog 
requires training just as walking with a cane does and if you have never had a 
dog you have to of course learn how to care for the dog, this includes 
grooming, feeding and picking up the dog poop in a little plastic bag; I know, 
sounds shitty, but I shit you not.
After your course you get to take your dog home, some schools may also send a 
guide dog trainer home with you to do some more training in your own 
environment or some schools may ask you to come for a shorter course at the 
school and then you do more one-on-one training in your own city/town. In rare 
cases a trainer may even come to you and do the entire training with you in 
your city/town, but I think most schools would need a good reason to do this.
Most schools also like to follow up with you on an annual bases and they may 
send a trainer to do a walk with you and evaluate how things are going.
Keep in mind that when you get a dog that dog is not yours. I assume all 
schools are the same in this respect, but should you not care for the dog 
properly they do have the right to take it away from you and I have heard of a 
few cases where this was done.
As for the cost to train a dog, including breeding programs, puppy raising, 
training and after-care it is I believe around $30,000 or $35,000 US so 
actually buying a guide dog is not something most people could afford if the 
schools weren't not for profit organizations who are financed from donations, 
fund raising events, money bequeathed to them and so on. I believe in England 
the government is involved as well and in Germany the health insurance pays for 
guide dogs as well as for things like dog food, vet costs etc.

Lastly, remember the country where you live. How accepted are dogs there? I 
haven't been to India with or without a dog, but I did once take my guide dog 
to the Philippines where my wife is from. This was actually my first trip there 
in 2009 and when we first met in person. I got all the paperwork done and I 
wish I had not taken him. The first week was OK, we stayed on a small island 
where we had rented a house together with another friend of mine from Germany 
who is also married to a Filipina. The second week when I was back in the 
Manila area I could not take my dog anywhere, not even into a Mcdonald's. We 
did have a hotel which allowed

RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Carolyn]

I did not know that India was part of the Common Wealth - thought it 
independent. Incidentally, going to Indian doctor this afternoon. I know this 
is not iPhone related, but I was just so shocked that India is part of the 
Common Wealth. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 7:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

Dave, that Amazon comment was very ignorant and entirely inappropriate.
Kiruna is from India and you may want to remember that not everybody knows 
about everything.
I am in Canada and I get lots of people who ask me where I got my guide dog 
from, how much they are and if I have to pay for them.
And just in case this is something you didn't know, India is part of the 
Commonwealth just as Canada, Australia, Pakistan, Nigeria and other countries 
are so maybe it would be possible for somebody from a Commonwealth country 
where there is no guide dog school to apply to a guide dog school in another 
Commonwealth country and be accepted to get a dog. I am not saying this is so, 
but it is certainly possible.
I am in Canada yet I can apply at any US guide dog school to get a dog if I so 
choose even though we have several guide dog schools in Canada. My first dog 
was from Leader Dogs for the Blind in Rochester, Michigan and among the I think 
24 people who were there in my group to get dogs 4 came from Spain on some 
arrangement the Spanish government or maybe it was some sort of Spanish not for 
profit group had with Leader Dogs.

Since nobody explained to Kiruna what the usual process is to get a guide dog, 
I will do so in general terms.
You apply to a guide dog school, if it is the first time you get a dog from 
them they typically would visit you where you live, they would want to see your 
home and where you work (if you work) and they would also want to see you walk 
around with a cane or your previous guide dog if you currently have one to 
assess your mobility skills and so on.
If they accept you, they will at some point let you know when you can get a 
dog, some schools have fairly long waiting lists. Once you get the date you 
have to go to the school for typically a 3-week training course where you get 
to know your dog and your dog gets to know you. Walking with a guide dog 
requires training just as walking with a cane does and if you have never had a 
dog you have to of course learn how to care for the dog, this includes 
grooming, feeding and picking up the dog poop in a little plastic bag; I know, 
sounds shitty, but I shit you not.
After your course you get to take your dog home, some schools may also send a 
guide dog trainer home with you to do some more training in your own 
environment or some schools may ask you to come for a shorter course at the 
school and then you do more one-on-one training in your own city/town. In rare 
cases a trainer may even come to you and do the entire training with you in 
your city/town, but I think most schools would need a good reason to do this.
Most schools also like to follow up with you on an annual bases and they may 
send a trainer to do a walk with you and evaluate how things are going.
Keep in mind that when you get a dog that dog is not yours. I assume all 
schools are the same in this respect, but should you not care for the dog 
properly they do have the right to take it away from you and I have heard of a 
few cases where this was done.
As for the cost to train a dog, including breeding programs, puppy raising, 
training and after-care it is I believe around $30,000 or $35,000 US so 
actually buying a guide dog is not something most people could afford if the 
schools weren't not for profit organizations who are financed from donations, 
fund raising events, money bequeathed to them and so on. I believe in England 
the government is involved as well and in Germany the health insurance pays for 
guide dogs as well as for things like dog food, vet costs etc.

Lastly, remember the country where you live. How accepted are dogs there? I 
haven't been to India with or without a dog, but I did once take my guide dog 
to the Philippines where my wife is from. This was actually my first trip there 
in 2009 and when we first met in person. I got all the paperwork done and I 
wish I had not taken him. The first week was OK, we stayed on a small island 
where we had rented a house together with another friend of mine from Germany 
who is also married to a Filipina. The second week when I was back in the 
Manila area I could not take my dog anywhere, not even into a Mcdonald's. We 
did have a hotel which allowed pets for a fee and while a guide dog here is not 
considered a pet and has rights, these do not apply in other countries. We 
usually only went out for an hour or two at a time because I could not bring 
him anywhere, I couldn't go into a mall with him (all malls

Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Janet Bell]

very interesting story. can I just ask you if before you get trained for a 
new guide dog do mobility instructors come and take you out with a stick to 
see what your mobility is like?


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 4:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

Hi Cristobal,

We might have almost met then, I got my first dog, Buddy, from them in 
April/May 1994 (I was 27 then).
It was an interesting experience, but they are a big school and run big 
classes. My room-mate was a guy in his early 50's, very overweight and a few 
days into the course he had a heart attack and had to go home. I think 
Leader Dogs delivered his dog to him later, I ended up with the only single 
room.
Another gentleman was from Texas and he was blind because if I remember 
correctly he owned a bar, heard something at night and in good American 
fashion was sleeping with a loaded handgun under the pillow. Unfortunately 
in during his still sleep befuddled state he shot himself in the head. I 
think I was the youngest in that group at the time, a good experience and I 
ended up with an awesome dog, my first at the time, but after I went home I 
never heard from Leader Dogs again which I thought was strange. About 6 or 8 
years later I lost my harness which I think fell out of a friends truck on a 
parking lot, but it was never turned in, and when I called Leader Dogs I was 
told I could certainly get a new one at the cost of $250 which I thought was 
a bit excessive, but I didn't have much of a choice. At the time I was also 
not told much at all about my yellow lab, not even his exact birthdate. I 
was only told he was 22 months old. Again, years later I complained about 
this and suddenly I was told that the records had been computerized by now 
and after providing the dog's number she told me within 1 minute what his 
birthdate was.
Buddy guided for 11 years until he was 13, then I got my second dog from BC 
Guide dog Services near Vancouver. At the time there was 4 of us getting a 
dog and while they normally do most of the training at people's places, this 
time they put us as well as the 2 guide dog instructors who were still in 
their apprenticeship up at a nice hotel, Bill, the person who started the 
school was also actively training one of the students and for the fourth one 
he had asked a friend who was a guide dog instructor from England where Bill 
was as well before coming to Canada to come over and help out. Every day 
after we had breakfast together at the hotel 2 students and 2 instructors 
would get into a van each and we'd drive into various places in Vancouver, 
train for a few hours in the morning, then meet up for lunch at some 
restaurant we decided on in the morning for lunch, then a few more hours in 
the afternoon and back to the hotel for a bit of downtime before we'd meet 
again in the evening for dinner at the hotel or a nearby restaurant. It was 
an incredible experience and my dog, Mulligan, a 90 pound Black Lab/Golden 
Retriever cross (all black in colour but with the Golden Retriever built and 
fur) was fantastic and he hold a pretty special place in my heart even 
though my current dog, Radar, another yellow lab also from BC Guide dogs, is 
also very good. After 2 or two and a half weeks of training in Vancouver I 
flew home and the following Monday my instructor flew up to Smithers which 
is about an hour and a half North of Vancouver, to train with me here for 
another 5 days.
Mulligan guided from May 2005 until I got Radar in November/December 2015, 
normally BC Guide Dogs wants that their dogs retire when they are 10 years 
old,
But at the time they had a bit of a shortage of dogs and I live in a small 
town of 6000 people where the work is pretty relaxed and low-key so Mulligan 
retired at 12 and that was after tearing his ACL when he was 10 and having 
surgery. Radar is now five and a half and also a fun dog and good guide, I 
certainly am very happy with that school..



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz

Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 6:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

Got my dog from Leader Dogs in 95 as well. At the time, I was living in 
Mexico. They were I think at the time one of if not the only guide dog 
school that accepted international students.


Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 4:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

Dave, that Amazon comment was very ignorant and entirely inappropriate.
Kiruna is from India and you may want to remember that not everybody knows 
about everything.
I am in Canada and I get lots of people who ask me where I got my guide dog 
from, how much they are and if I have to pay for them

RE: To Sieghard. Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Dave,

I am guilty of writing my reply before reading all messages in the thread 
including your apology so here n turn is my apology for jumping the gun.

Take care,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 12:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: To Sieghard. Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

Hi Sieghard. I am on many lists, and i don’t know, where every body is from.

I thought it was a spam Email, that reached the list.

I also apologised on list.

And i do know all the commonwealth countries.

All the best,

Dave.


From: Richard Turner<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 1:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

Thank you Sieghard for giving such a complete answer.
I sent a link to a Wikipedia page of guide dog schools around the world, but 
since I've never had a dog, I wasn't comfortable giving too much detail.
Great comment on the poop issue.



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner



On Dec 1, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Dave, that Amazon comment was very ignorant and entirely inappropriate.
Kiruna is from India and you may want to remember that not everybody knows 
about everything.
I am in Canada and I get lots of people who ask me where I got my guide dog 
from, how much they are and if I have to pay for them.
And just in case this is something you didn't know, India is part of the 
Commonwealth just as Canada, Australia, Pakistan, Nigeria and other countries 
are so maybe it would be possible for somebody from a Commonwealth country 
where there is no guide dog school to apply to a guide dog school in another 
Commonwealth country and be accepted to get a dog. I am not saying this is so, 
but it is certainly possible.
I am in Canada yet I can apply at any US guide dog school to get a dog if I so 
choose even though we have several guide dog schools in Canada. My first dog 
was from Leader Dogs for the Blind in Rochester, Michigan and among the I think 
24 people who were there in my group to get dogs 4 came from Spain on some 
arrangement the Spanish government or maybe it was some sort of Spanish not for 
profit group had with Leader Dogs.

Since nobody explained to Kiruna what the usual process is to get a guide dog, 
I will do so in general terms.
You apply to a guide dog school, if it is the first time you get a dog from 
them they typically would visit you where you live, they would want to see your 
home and where you work (if you work) and they would also want to see you walk 
around with a cane or your previous guide dog if you currently have one to 
assess your mobility skills and so on.
If they accept you, they will at some point let you know when you can get a 
dog, some schools have fairly long waiting lists. Once you get the date you 
have to go to the school for typically a 3-week training course where you get 
to know your dog and your dog gets to know you. Walking with a guide dog 
requires training just as walking with a cane does and if you have never had a 
dog you have to of course learn how to care for the dog, this includes 
grooming, feeding and picking up the dog poop in a little plastic bag; I know, 
sounds shitty, but I shit you not.
After your course you get to take your dog home, some schools may also send a 
guide dog trainer home with you to do some more training in your own 
environment or some schools may ask you to come for a shorter course at the 
school and then you do more one-on-one training in your own city/town. In rare 
cases a trainer may even come to you and do the entire training with you in 
your city/town, but I think most schools would need a good reason to do this.
Most schools also like to follow up with you on an annual bases and they may 
send a trainer to do a walk with you and evaluate how things are going.
Keep in mind that when you get a dog that dog is not yours. I assume all 
schools are the same in this respect, but should you not care for the dog 
properly they do have the right to take it away from you and I have heard of a 
few cases where this was done.
As for the cost to train a dog, including breeding programs, puppy raising, 
training and after-care it is I believe around $30,000 or $35,000 US so 
actually buying a guide dog is not something most people could afford if the 
schools weren't not for profit organizations who are financed from donations, 
fund raising events, money bequeathed to them and so on. I believe in England 
the government is involved as well and in Germany the health insurance pays for 
guide dogs as well as for things like dog food, vet costs etc.

Lastly, remember the country where you live. How accepted are dogs the

RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Cristobal,

We might have almost met then, I got my first dog, Buddy, from them in 
April/May 1994 (I was 27 then).
It was an interesting experience, but they are a big school and run big 
classes. My room-mate was a guy in his early 50's, very overweight and a few 
days into the course he had a heart attack and had to go home. I think Leader 
Dogs delivered his dog to him later, I ended up with the only single room.
Another gentleman was from Texas and he was blind because if I remember 
correctly he owned a bar, heard something at night and in good American fashion 
was sleeping with a loaded handgun under the pillow. Unfortunately in during 
his still sleep befuddled state he shot himself in the head. I think I was the 
youngest in that group at the time, a good experience and I ended up with an 
awesome dog, my first at the time, but after I went home I never heard from 
Leader Dogs again which I thought was strange. About 6 or 8 years later I lost 
my harness which I think fell out of a friends truck on a parking lot, but it 
was never turned in, and when I called Leader Dogs I was told I could certainly 
get a new one at the cost of $250 which I thought was a bit excessive, but I 
didn't have much of a choice. At the time I was also not told much at all about 
my yellow lab, not even his exact birthdate. I was only told he was 22 months 
old. Again, years later I complained about this and suddenly I was told that 
the records had been computerized by now and after providing the dog's number 
she told me within 1 minute what his birthdate was.
Buddy guided for 11 years until he was 13, then I got my second dog from BC 
Guide dog Services near Vancouver. At the time there was 4 of us getting a dog 
and while they normally do most of the training at people's places, this time 
they put us as well as the 2 guide dog instructors who were still in their 
apprenticeship up at a nice hotel, Bill, the person who started the school was 
also actively training one of the students and for the fourth one he had asked 
a friend who was a guide dog instructor from England where Bill was as well 
before coming to Canada to come over and help out. Every day after we had 
breakfast together at the hotel 2 students and 2 instructors would get into a 
van each and we'd drive into various places in Vancouver, train for a few hours 
in the morning, then meet up for lunch at some restaurant we decided on in the 
morning for lunch, then a few more hours in the afternoon and back to the hotel 
for a bit of downtime before we'd meet again in the evening for dinner at the 
hotel or a nearby restaurant. It was an incredible experience and my dog, 
Mulligan, a 90 pound Black Lab/Golden Retriever cross (all black in colour but 
with the Golden Retriever built and fur) was fantastic and he hold a pretty 
special place in my heart even though my current dog, Radar, another yellow lab 
also from BC Guide dogs, is also very good. After 2 or two and a half weeks of 
training in Vancouver I flew home and the following Monday my instructor flew 
up to Smithers which is about an hour and a half North of Vancouver, to train 
with me here for another 5 days.
Mulligan guided from May 2005 until I got Radar in November/December 2015, 
normally BC Guide Dogs wants that their dogs retire when they are 10 years old,
But at the time they had a bit of a shortage of dogs and I live in a small town 
of 6000 people where the work is pretty relaxed and low-key so Mulligan retired 
at 12 and that was after tearing his ACL when he was 10 and having surgery. 
Radar is now five and a half and also a fun dog and good guide, I certainly am 
very happy with that school..


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 6:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

Got my dog from Leader Dogs in 95 as well. At the time, I was living in Mexico. 
They were I think at the time one of if not the only guide dog school that 
accepted international students. 

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 4:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

Dave, that Amazon comment was very ignorant and entirely inappropriate.
Kiruna is from India and you may want to remember that not everybody knows 
about everything.
I am in Canada and I get lots of people who ask me where I got my guide dog 
from, how much they are and if I have to pay for them.
And just in case this is something you didn't know, India is part of the 
Commonwealth just as Canada, Australia, Pakistan, Nigeria and other countries 
are so maybe it would be possible for somebody from a Commonwealth country 
where there is no guide dog school to apply to a guide dog school in another 
Commonwealth country and be accepted to get a dog. I am

Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Janet Bell]

it was not a sarcastic comment about the name of the list 

From: sherrywells1...@gmail.com 
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 2:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

I second what Christopher says. And isn’t it nice that we can easily help 
someone?  This topic hasn’t generated as much mail as many others that have 
veered off topic.  And there would have been even less without the sarcastic 
request for the name of the list.

 

Sherry Wells

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 6:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Janet Bell 
Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

 

I see the name of the list at the bottom of every message, and it's also 
obviously in the email address of the posts to and from this list. The original 
poster also apologized for an off topic post to an iPhone list, which you'll 
see in the thread below. This doesn't make it right to make off topic posts, 
but it also doesn't mean it needs to be pointed out. IMHO, let the moderator 
deal with off topic posts.

 

On 12/2/19 4:59 AM, Janet Bell wrote:

  yes it was because for once the sender’s email didn’t say which list but just 
another question what has getting a guide dog got to do with an iPhone list?

   

  From: Christopher Chaltain 

  Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 10:48 AM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Janet Bell 

  Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

   

  Assuming your question is sincere, this is the ViPhone mailing list.

   

  On 12/2/19 4:41 AM, Janet Bell wrote:

can someone please remind me of the name of this list as I seem to have 
forgotten it.

 

From: Avnish Chopra 

Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 4:35 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

 

 

 

 

To all the kind and wonderful ladies and gentlemen who helped answer my 
question – Thank you very much! Really appreciate your help and understanding.

To the others who thought it was a joke or made fun of my question, I wish 
they would read the rules of this group which I quote below: 

“ If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
if 

  you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
or 
  moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.”

But then, perhaps this set of individuals revels in rebellion! Best of luck 
to them! 

Best wishes & many blessings!

 





   





  On 01-Dec-2019, at 11:29 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz 
mailto:cristobalm...@gmail.com wrote:

Got my dog from Leader Dogs in 95 as well. At the time, I was living in 
Mexico. They were I think at the time one of if not the only guide dog school 
that accepted international students. 

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 4:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

Dave, that Amazon comment was very ignorant and entirely inappropriate.
Kiruna is from India and you may want to remember that not everybody knows 
about everything.
I am in Canada and I get lots of people who ask me where I got my guide dog 
from, how much they are and if I have to pay for them.
And just in case this is something you didn't know, India is part of the 
Commonwealth just as Canada, Australia, Pakistan, Nigeria and other countries 
are so maybe it would be possible for somebody from a Commonwealth country 
where there is no guide dog school to apply to a guide dog school in another 
Commonwealth country and be accepted to get a dog. I am not saying this is so, 
but it is certainly possible.
I am in Canada yet I can apply at any US guide dog school to get a dog if I 
so choose even though we have several guide dog schools in Canada. My first dog 
was from Leader Dogs for the Blind in Rochester, Michigan and among the I think 
24 people who were there in my group to get dogs 4 came from Spain on some 
arrangement the Spanish government or maybe it was some sort of Spanish not for 
profit group had with Leader Dogs.

Since nobody explained to Kiruna what the usual process is to get a guide 
dog, I will do so in general terms.
You apply to a guide dog school, if it is the first time you get a dog from 
them they typically would visit you where you live, they would want to see your 
home and where you work (if you work) and they would also want to see you walk 
around with a cane or your previous guide dog if you currently have one to 
assess your mobility skills and so on.
If they accept you, they will at some point let you know when you can get a 
dog, some schools have fairly long waiting lists. Once you get the date

RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[sherrywells1157]

I second what Christopher says. And isn’t it nice that we can easily help 
someone?  This topic hasn’t generated as much mail as many others that have 
veered off topic.  And there would have been even less without the sarcastic 
request for the name of the list.

 

Sherry Wells

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 6:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Janet Bell 
Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

 

I see the name of the list at the bottom of every message, and it's also 
obviously in the email address of the posts to and from this list. The original 
poster also apologized for an off topic post to an iPhone list, which you'll 
see in the thread below. This doesn't make it right to make off topic posts, 
but it also doesn't mean it needs to be pointed out. IMHO, let the moderator 
deal with off topic posts.

 

On 12/2/19 4:59 AM, Janet Bell wrote:

yes it was because for once the sender’s email didn’t say which list but just 
another question what has getting a guide dog got to do with an iPhone list?

 

From: Christopher Chaltain 

Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 10:48 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  ; Janet Bell 

Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

 

Assuming your question is sincere, this is the ViPhone mailing list.

 

On 12/2/19 4:41 AM, Janet Bell wrote:

can someone please remind me of the name of this list as I seem to have 
forgotten it.

 

From: Avnish Chopra 

Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 4:35 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

 

 

 

 

To all the kind and wonderful ladies and gentlemen who helped answer my 
question – Thank you very much! Really appreciate your help and understanding.

To the others who thought it was a joke or made fun of my question, I wish they 
would read the rules of this group which I quote below: 

“ If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 

you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.”

But then, perhaps this set of individuals revels in rebellion! Best of luck to 
them! 

Best wishes & many blessings!

 





 





On 01-Dec-2019, at 11:29 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz mailto:cristobalm...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Got my dog from Leader Dogs in 95 as well. At the time, I was living in 
Mexico. They were I think at the time one of if not the only guide dog school 
that accepted international students. 

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 4:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

Dave, that Amazon comment was very ignorant and entirely inappropriate.
Kiruna is from India and you may want to remember that not everybody knows 
about everything.
I am in Canada and I get lots of people who ask me where I got my guide dog 
from, how much they are and if I have to pay for them.
And just in case this is something you didn't know, India is part of the 
Commonwealth just as Canada, Australia, Pakistan, Nigeria and other countries 
are so maybe it would be possible for somebody from a Commonwealth country 
where there is no guide dog school to apply to a guide dog school in another 
Commonwealth country and be accepted to get a dog. I am not saying this is so, 
but it is certainly possible.
I am in Canada yet I can apply at any US guide dog school to get a dog if I so 
choose even though we have several guide dog schools in Canada. My first dog 
was from Leader Dogs for the Blind in Rochester, Michigan and among the I think 
24 people who were there in my group to get dogs 4 came from Spain on some 
arrangement the Spanish government or maybe it was some sort of Spanish not for 
profit group had with Leader Dogs.

Since nobody explained to Kiruna what the usual process is to get a guide dog, 
I will do so in general terms.
You apply to a guide dog school, if it is the first time you get a dog from 
them they typically would visit you where you live, they would want to see your 
home and where you work (if you work) and they would also want to see you walk 
around with a cane or your previous guide dog if you currently have one to 
assess your mobility skills and so on.
If they accept you, they will at some point let you know when you can get a 
dog, some schools have fairly long waiting lists. Once you get the date you 
have to go to the school for typically a 3-week training course where you get 
to know your dog and your dog gets to know you. Walking with a guide dog 
requires training just as walking with a cane does and if you ha

Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[regina alvarado]

Please let's move on. Question asked and answered. Dave apologized and the 
questioner had a sincere need to know. Let's cut both some slack and move 
forward. I have a question I am sincerely asking about also. Thanks.

Reggie Alvarado 

> On Dec 2, 2019, at 7:55 AM, Maria Chapman  wrote:
> 

I don’t think google groups is inaccessible.
Just google guide dog email lists, and they will come up.
anyway i don’t think that’s the point.  Dave did apologise and he stated that 
he thought it was spam.
Besides the amazon comment was meant to be a joke.
Isn’t calling someone a jerk rude too?
Let’s not keep a 2 line comment that’s been apologised for going and turn it in 
to a huge deal.
Dave has been on this list for years and given lots of good advice.

Maria



> On 2 Dec 2019, at 11:33 pm, goshawk on horseback 
>  wrote:
> 
> seconded. there isn't exactly a good directory of such lists, and certainly 
> both yahoogroups and google groups have become so much less accessible for 
> screenreader users lately, that one may not be able to search for 
> lists/groups anymore. 
>  
> Simon 
>  
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: terri...@gmail.com
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; 'Janet Bell'
>> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 12:03 PM
>> Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 
>> 
>> Hey Dave,
>> Don’t be a jerk and defend your rudeness. She does not know where to find 
>> those or if they even exist. Cut them some slack.
>> Best,
>> Terri
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave
>> Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 5:00 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Janet Bell 
>> Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 
>>  
>> There is always lists, that specifically, deal with Guide Dog issues. Which 
>> would be a lot more appropriate, than an iPhone list.
>>  
>> Dave.
>>  
>>  
>> From: Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 11:47 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Janet Bell
>> Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 
>>  
>> I see the name of the list at the bottom of every message, and it's also 
>> obviously in the email address of the posts to and from this list. The 
>> original poster also apologized for an off topic post to an iPhone list, 
>> which you'll see in the thread below. This doesn't make it right to make off 
>> topic posts, but it also doesn't mean it needs to be pointed out. IMHO, let 
>> the moderator deal with off topic posts.
>>  
>> On 12/2/19 4:59 AM, Janet Bell wrote:
>>> yes it was because for once the sender’s email didn’t say which list but 
>>> just another question what has getting a guide dog got to do with an iPhone 
>>> list?
>>>  
>>> From: Christopher Chaltain 
>>> Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 10:48 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Janet Bell 
>>> Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 
>>>  
>>> Assuming your question is sincere, this is the ViPhone mailing list.
>>>  
>>> On 12/2/19 4:41 AM, Janet Bell wrote:
>>>> can someone please remind me of the name of this list as I seem to have 
>>>> forgotten it.
>>>>  
>>>> From: Avnish Chopra 
>>>> Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 4:35 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> To all the kind and wonderful ladies and gentlemen who helped answer my 
>>>> question – Thank you very much! Really appreciate your help and 
>>>> understanding.
>>>> To the others who thought it was a joke or made fun of my question, I wish 
>>>> they would read the rules of this group which I quote below: 
>>>> “ If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
>>>> if 
>>>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
>>>>> or 
>>>>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.”
>>>> But then, perhaps this set of individuals revels in rebellion! Best of 
>>>> luck to them! 
>>>> Best wishes & many blessings!
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 01-Dec-2019, at 11:29 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz 
>>>>> mailto:cristobalm...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Got my dog from Leader D

Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Maria Chapman]

I don’t think google groups is inaccessible.
Just google guide dog email lists, and they will come up.
anyway i don’t think that’s the point.  Dave did apologise and he stated that 
he thought it was spam.
Besides the amazon comment was meant to be a joke.
Isn’t calling someone a jerk rude too?
Let’s not keep a 2 line comment that’s been apologised for going and turn it in 
to a huge deal.
Dave has been on this list for years and given lots of good advice.

Maria



> On 2 Dec 2019, at 11:33 pm, goshawk on horseback 
>  wrote:
> 
> seconded. there isn't exactly a good directory of such lists, and certainly 
> both yahoogroups and google groups have become so much less accessible for 
> screenreader users lately, that one may not be able to search for 
> lists/groups anymore. 
>  
> Simon 
>  
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: terri...@gmail.com <mailto:terri...@gmail.com>
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> ; 'Janet 
>> Bell' <mailto:ja...@jan25.plus.com>
>> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 12:03 PM
>> Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 
>> 
>> Hey Dave,
>> Don’t be a jerk and defend your rudeness. She does not know where to find 
>> those or if they even exist. Cut them some slack.
>> Best,
>> Terri
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
>> Dave
>> Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 5:00 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>; Janet Bell 
>> mailto:ja...@jan25.plus.com>>
>> Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 
>>  
>> There is always lists, that specifically, deal with Guide Dog issues. Which 
>> would be a lot more appropriate, than an iPhone list.
>>  
>> Dave.
>>  
>>  
>> From: Christopher Chaltain <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 11:47 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> ; Janet Bell 
>> <mailto:ja...@jan25.plus.com>
>> Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 
>>  
>> I see the name of the list at the bottom of every message, and it's also 
>> obviously in the email address of the posts to and from this list. The 
>> original poster also apologized for an off topic post to an iPhone list, 
>> which you'll see in the thread below. This doesn't make it right to make off 
>> topic posts, but it also doesn't mean it needs to be pointed out. IMHO, let 
>> the moderator deal with off topic posts.
>>  
>> On 12/2/19 4:59 AM, Janet Bell wrote:
>>> yes it was because for once the sender’s email didn’t say which list but 
>>> just another question what has getting a guide dog got to do with an iPhone 
>>> list?
>>>  
>>> From: Christopher Chaltain 
>>> Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 10:48 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> ; Janet Bell 
>>> Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 
>>>  
>>> Assuming your question is sincere, this is the ViPhone mailing list.
>>>  
>>> On 12/2/19 4:41 AM, Janet Bell wrote:
>>>> can someone please remind me of the name of this list as I seem to have 
>>>> forgotten it.
>>>>  
>>>> From: Avnish Chopra 
>>>> Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 4:35 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> To all the kind and wonderful ladies and gentlemen who helped answer my 
>>>> question – Thank you very much! Really appreciate your help and 
>>>> understanding.
>>>> To the others who thought it was a joke or made fun of my question, I wish 
>>>> they would read the rules of this group which I quote below: 
>>>> “ If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
>>>> if 
>>>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
>>>>> or 
>>>>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.”
>>>> But then, perhaps this set of individuals revels in rebellion! Best of 
>>>> luck to them! 
>>>> Best wishes & many blessings!
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>

Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Dave]

I run a list on google groups, and it is totally accessible.

Dave.


From: goshawk on horseback 
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 12:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

seconded. there isn't exactly a good directory of such lists, and certainly 
both yahoogroups and google groups have become so much less accessible for 
screenreader users lately, that one may not be able to search for lists/groups 
anymore. 

Simon 


  - Original Message - 
  From: terri...@gmail.com 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; 'Janet Bell' 
  Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 12:03 PM
  Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

  Hey Dave,

  Don’t be a jerk and defend your rudeness. She does not know where to find 
those or if they even exist. Cut them some slack.

  Best,

  Terri

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave
  Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 5:00 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Janet Bell 
  Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

   

  There is always lists, that specifically, deal with Guide Dog issues. Which 
would be a lot more appropriate, than an iPhone list.

   

  Dave.

   

   

  From: Christopher Chaltain 

  Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 11:47 AM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Janet Bell 

  Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

   

  I see the name of the list at the bottom of every message, and it's also 
obviously in the email address of the posts to and from this list. The original 
poster also apologized for an off topic post to an iPhone list, which you'll 
see in the thread below. This doesn't make it right to make off topic posts, 
but it also doesn't mean it needs to be pointed out. IMHO, let the moderator 
deal with off topic posts.

   

  On 12/2/19 4:59 AM, Janet Bell wrote:

yes it was because for once the sender’s email didn’t say which list but 
just another question what has getting a guide dog got to do with an iPhone 
list?

 

From: Christopher Chaltain 

Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 10:48 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Janet Bell 

Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

 

Assuming your question is sincere, this is the ViPhone mailing list.

 

On 12/2/19 4:41 AM, Janet Bell wrote:

  can someone please remind me of the name of this list as I seem to have 
forgotten it.

   

  From: Avnish Chopra 

  Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 4:35 AM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

   

   

   

   

  To all the kind and wonderful ladies and gentlemen who helped answer my 
question – Thank you very much! Really appreciate your help and understanding.

  To the others who thought it was a joke or made fun of my question, I 
wish they would read the rules of this group which I quote below: 

  “ If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
or if 

you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.”

  But then, perhaps this set of individuals revels in rebellion! Best of 
luck to them! 

  Best wishes & many blessings!

   





 





On 01-Dec-2019, at 11:29 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz 
mailto:cristobalm...@gmail.com wrote:

  Got my dog from Leader Dogs in 95 as well. At the time, I was living in 
Mexico. They were I think at the time one of if not the only guide dog school 
that accepted international students. 

  Cristóbal

  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf 
Of Sieghard Weitzel
  Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 4:41 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

  Dave, that Amazon comment was very ignorant and entirely inappropriate.
  Kiruna is from India and you may want to remember that not everybody 
knows about everything.
  I am in Canada and I get lots of people who ask me where I got my guide 
dog from, how much they are and if I have to pay for them.
  And just in case this is something you didn't know, India is part of the 
Commonwealth just as Canada, Australia, Pakistan, Nigeria and other countries 
are so maybe it would be possible for somebody from a Commonwealth country 
where there is no guide dog school to apply to a guide dog school in another 
Commonwealth country and be accepted to get a dog. I am not saying this is so, 
but it is certainly possible.
  I am in Canada yet I can apply at any US guide dog school to get a dog if 
I so choose even though we have several guide dog schools in Canada. My first 
dog was from Leader Dogs for the Blind in Rochester, Michigan and among the I 
think 24 people who were there in my group to get 

Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Dave]

Have you heard of google?

Or asking for guide dog lists?

I don’t think, it’s being a jerk, to give a reasonable answer.

I would look closer to home, if you are looking for the jerk.

Dave.


From: terri...@gmail.com 
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; 'Janet Bell' 
Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

Hey Dave,

Don’t be a jerk and defend your rudeness. She does not know where to find those 
or if they even exist. Cut them some slack.

Best,

Terri

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 5:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Janet Bell 
Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

 

There is always lists, that specifically, deal with Guide Dog issues. Which 
would be a lot more appropriate, than an iPhone list.

 

Dave.

 

 

From: Christopher Chaltain 

Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 11:47 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Janet Bell 

Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

 

I see the name of the list at the bottom of every message, and it's also 
obviously in the email address of the posts to and from this list. The original 
poster also apologized for an off topic post to an iPhone list, which you'll 
see in the thread below. This doesn't make it right to make off topic posts, 
but it also doesn't mean it needs to be pointed out. IMHO, let the moderator 
deal with off topic posts.

 

On 12/2/19 4:59 AM, Janet Bell wrote:

  yes it was because for once the sender’s email didn’t say which list but just 
another question what has getting a guide dog got to do with an iPhone list?

   

  From: Christopher Chaltain 

  Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 10:48 AM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Janet Bell 

  Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

   

  Assuming your question is sincere, this is the ViPhone mailing list.

   

  On 12/2/19 4:41 AM, Janet Bell wrote:

can someone please remind me of the name of this list as I seem to have 
forgotten it.

 

From: Avnish Chopra 

Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 4:35 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

 

 

 

 

To all the kind and wonderful ladies and gentlemen who helped answer my 
question – Thank you very much! Really appreciate your help and understanding.

To the others who thought it was a joke or made fun of my question, I wish 
they would read the rules of this group which I quote below: 

“ If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
if 

  you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
or 
  moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.”

But then, perhaps this set of individuals revels in rebellion! Best of luck 
to them! 

Best wishes & many blessings!

 





   





  On 01-Dec-2019, at 11:29 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz 
mailto:cristobalm...@gmail.com wrote:

Got my dog from Leader Dogs in 95 as well. At the time, I was living in 
Mexico. They were I think at the time one of if not the only guide dog school 
that accepted international students. 

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 4:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

Dave, that Amazon comment was very ignorant and entirely inappropriate.
Kiruna is from India and you may want to remember that not everybody knows 
about everything.
I am in Canada and I get lots of people who ask me where I got my guide dog 
from, how much they are and if I have to pay for them.
And just in case this is something you didn't know, India is part of the 
Commonwealth just as Canada, Australia, Pakistan, Nigeria and other countries 
are so maybe it would be possible for somebody from a Commonwealth country 
where there is no guide dog school to apply to a guide dog school in another 
Commonwealth country and be accepted to get a dog. I am not saying this is so, 
but it is certainly possible.
I am in Canada yet I can apply at any US guide dog school to get a dog if I 
so choose even though we have several guide dog schools in Canada. My first dog 
was from Leader Dogs for the Blind in Rochester, Michigan and among the I think 
24 people who were there in my group to get dogs 4 came from Spain on some 
arrangement the Spanish government or maybe it was some sort of Spanish not for 
profit group had with Leader Dogs.

Since nobody explained to Kiruna what the usual process is to get a guide 
dog, I will do so in general terms.
You apply to a guide dog school, if it is the first time you get a dog from 
them they typically would visit you where you live, they would want to see your 
home and where you work (if you 

Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[goshawk on horseback]

seconded. there isn't exactly a good directory of such lists, and certainly 
both yahoogroups and google groups have become so much less accessible for 
screenreader users lately, that one may not be able to search for lists/groups 
anymore. 

Simon 


  - Original Message - 
  From: terri...@gmail.com 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; 'Janet Bell' 
  Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 12:03 PM
  Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 


  Hey Dave,

  Don’t be a jerk and defend your rudeness. She does not know where to find 
those or if they even exist. Cut them some slack.

  Best,

  Terri

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave
  Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 5:00 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Janet Bell 
  Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

   

  There is always lists, that specifically, deal with Guide Dog issues. Which 
would be a lot more appropriate, than an iPhone list.

   

  Dave.

   

   

  From: Christopher Chaltain 

  Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 11:47 AM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Janet Bell 

  Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

   

  I see the name of the list at the bottom of every message, and it's also 
obviously in the email address of the posts to and from this list. The original 
poster also apologized for an off topic post to an iPhone list, which you'll 
see in the thread below. This doesn't make it right to make off topic posts, 
but it also doesn't mean it needs to be pointed out. IMHO, let the moderator 
deal with off topic posts.

   

  On 12/2/19 4:59 AM, Janet Bell wrote:

yes it was because for once the sender’s email didn’t say which list but 
just another question what has getting a guide dog got to do with an iPhone 
list?

 

From: Christopher Chaltain 

Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 10:48 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Janet Bell 

Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

 

Assuming your question is sincere, this is the ViPhone mailing list.

 

On 12/2/19 4:41 AM, Janet Bell wrote:

  can someone please remind me of the name of this list as I seem to have 
forgotten it.

   

  From: Avnish Chopra 

  Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 4:35 AM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

   

   

   

   

  To all the kind and wonderful ladies and gentlemen who helped answer my 
question – Thank you very much! Really appreciate your help and understanding.

  To the others who thought it was a joke or made fun of my question, I 
wish they would read the rules of this group which I quote below: 

  “ If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
or if 

you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.”

  But then, perhaps this set of individuals revels in rebellion! Best of 
luck to them! 

  Best wishes & many blessings!

   





 





On 01-Dec-2019, at 11:29 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz 
mailto:cristobalm...@gmail.com wrote:

  Got my dog from Leader Dogs in 95 as well. At the time, I was living in 
Mexico. They were I think at the time one of if not the only guide dog school 
that accepted international students. 

  Cristóbal

  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf 
Of Sieghard Weitzel
  Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 4:41 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

  Dave, that Amazon comment was very ignorant and entirely inappropriate.
  Kiruna is from India and you may want to remember that not everybody 
knows about everything.
  I am in Canada and I get lots of people who ask me where I got my guide 
dog from, how much they are and if I have to pay for them.
  And just in case this is something you didn't know, India is part of the 
Commonwealth just as Canada, Australia, Pakistan, Nigeria and other countries 
are so maybe it would be possible for somebody from a Commonwealth country 
where there is no guide dog school to apply to a guide dog school in another 
Commonwealth country and be accepted to get a dog. I am not saying this is so, 
but it is certainly possible.
  I am in Canada yet I can apply at any US guide dog school to get a dog if 
I so choose even though we have several guide dog schools in Canada. My first 
dog was from Leader Dogs for the Blind in Rochester, Michigan and among the I 
think 24 people who were there in my group to get dogs 4 came from Spain on 
some arrangement the Spanish government or maybe it was some sort of Spanish 
not for profit group had with Leader Dogs.

  Since nobody explained to Kiruna what the usual process is to get a g

RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[territek]

Hey Dave,

Don’t be a jerk and defend your rudeness. She does not know where to find those 
or if they even exist. Cut them some slack.

Best,

Terri

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 5:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Janet Bell 
Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

 

There is always lists, that specifically, deal with Guide Dog issues. Which 
would be a lot more appropriate, than an iPhone list.

 

Dave.

 

 

From: Christopher Chaltain <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 11:47 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  ; Janet Bell 
<mailto:ja...@jan25.plus.com>  

Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

 

I see the name of the list at the bottom of every message, and it's also 
obviously in the email address of the posts to and from this list. The original 
poster also apologized for an off topic post to an iPhone list, which you'll 
see in the thread below. This doesn't make it right to make off topic posts, 
but it also doesn't mean it needs to be pointed out. IMHO, let the moderator 
deal with off topic posts.

 

On 12/2/19 4:59 AM, Janet Bell wrote:

yes it was because for once the sender’s email didn’t say which list but just 
another question what has getting a guide dog got to do with an iPhone list?

 

From: Christopher Chaltain 

Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 10:48 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  ; Janet Bell 

Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

 

Assuming your question is sincere, this is the ViPhone mailing list.

 

On 12/2/19 4:41 AM, Janet Bell wrote:

can someone please remind me of the name of this list as I seem to have 
forgotten it.

 

From: Avnish Chopra 

Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 4:35 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

 

 

 

 

To all the kind and wonderful ladies and gentlemen who helped answer my 
question – Thank you very much! Really appreciate your help and understanding.

To the others who thought it was a joke or made fun of my question, I wish they 
would read the rules of this group which I quote below: 

“ If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 

you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.”

But then, perhaps this set of individuals revels in rebellion! Best of luck to 
them! 

Best wishes & many blessings!

 





 





On 01-Dec-2019, at 11:29 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz mailto:cristobalm...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Got my dog from Leader Dogs in 95 as well. At the time, I was living in 
Mexico. They were I think at the time one of if not the only guide dog school 
that accepted international students. 

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 4:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

Dave, that Amazon comment was very ignorant and entirely inappropriate.
Kiruna is from India and you may want to remember that not everybody knows 
about everything.
I am in Canada and I get lots of people who ask me where I got my guide dog 
from, how much they are and if I have to pay for them.
And just in case this is something you didn't know, India is part of the 
Commonwealth just as Canada, Australia, Pakistan, Nigeria and other countries 
are so maybe it would be possible for somebody from a Commonwealth country 
where there is no guide dog school to apply to a guide dog school in another 
Commonwealth country and be accepted to get a dog. I am not saying this is so, 
but it is certainly possible.
I am in Canada yet I can apply at any US guide dog school to get a dog if I so 
choose even though we have several guide dog schools in Canada. My first dog 
was from Leader Dogs for the Blind in Rochester, Michigan and among the I think 
24 people who were there in my group to get dogs 4 came from Spain on some 
arrangement the Spanish government or maybe it was some sort of Spanish not for 
profit group had with Leader Dogs.

Since nobody explained to Kiruna what the usual process is to get a guide dog, 
I will do so in general terms.
You apply to a guide dog school, if it is the first time you get a dog from 
them they typically would visit you where you live, they would want to see your 
home and where you work (if you work) and they would also want to see you walk 
around with a cane or your previous guide dog if you currently have one to 
assess your mobility skills and so on.
If they accept you, they will at some point let you know when you can get a 
dog, some sc

Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Dave]

There is always lists, that specifically, deal with Guide Dog issues. Which 
would be a lot more appropriate, than an iPhone list.

Dave.


From: Christopher Chaltain 
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 11:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Janet Bell 
Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

I see the name of the list at the bottom of every message, and it's also 
obviously in the email address of the posts to and from this list. The original 
poster also apologized for an off topic post to an iPhone list, which you'll 
see in the thread below. This doesn't make it right to make off topic posts, 
but it also doesn't mean it needs to be pointed out. IMHO, let the moderator 
deal with off topic posts.




On 12/2/19 4:59 AM, Janet Bell wrote:

  yes it was because for once the sender’s email didn’t say which list but just 
another question what has getting a guide dog got to do with an iPhone list?

  From: Christopher Chaltain 
  Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 10:48 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Janet Bell 
  Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

  Assuming your question is sincere, this is the ViPhone mailing list.



  On 12/2/19 4:41 AM, Janet Bell wrote:

can someone please remind me of the name of this list as I seem to have 
forgotten it.

From: Avnish Chopra 
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 4:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

 
 
 
To all the kind and wonderful ladies and gentlemen who helped answer my 
question – Thank you very much! Really appreciate your help and understanding.
To the others who thought it was a joke or made fun of my question, I wish 
they would read the rules of this group which I quote below: 
“ If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
if 
  you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
or 
  moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.”

But then, perhaps this set of individuals revels in rebellion! Best of luck 
to them! 
Best wishes & many blessings!






  On 01-Dec-2019, at 11:29 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz 
mailto:cristobalm...@gmail.com wrote:


Got my dog from Leader Dogs in 95 as well. At the time, I was living in 
Mexico. They were I think at the time one of if not the only guide dog school 
that accepted international students. 

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 4:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

Dave, that Amazon comment was very ignorant and entirely inappropriate.
Kiruna is from India and you may want to remember that not everybody knows 
about everything.
I am in Canada and I get lots of people who ask me where I got my guide dog 
from, how much they are and if I have to pay for them.
And just in case this is something you didn't know, India is part of the 
Commonwealth just as Canada, Australia, Pakistan, Nigeria and other countries 
are so maybe it would be possible for somebody from a Commonwealth country 
where there is no guide dog school to apply to a guide dog school in another 
Commonwealth country and be accepted to get a dog. I am not saying this is so, 
but it is certainly possible.
I am in Canada yet I can apply at any US guide dog school to get a dog if I 
so choose even though we have several guide dog schools in Canada. My first dog 
was from Leader Dogs for the Blind in Rochester, Michigan and among the I think 
24 people who were there in my group to get dogs 4 came from Spain on some 
arrangement the Spanish government or maybe it was some sort of Spanish not for 
profit group had with Leader Dogs.

Since nobody explained to Kiruna what the usual process is to get a guide 
dog, I will do so in general terms.
You apply to a guide dog school, if it is the first time you get a dog from 
them they typically would visit you where you live, they would want to see your 
home and where you work (if you work) and they would also want to see you walk 
around with a cane or your previous guide dog if you currently have one to 
assess your mobility skills and so on.
If they accept you, they will at some point let you know when you can get a 
dog, some schools have fairly long waiting lists. Once you get the date you 
have to go to the school for typically a 3-week training course where you get 
to know your dog and your dog gets to know you. Walking with a guide dog 
requires training just as walking with a cane does and if you have never had a 
dog you have to of course learn how to care for the dog, this includes 
grooming, feeding and picking up the dog poop in a little plastic bag; I know, 
sounds shitty, but I shit you not.
After your course you get to take 

Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Christopher Chaltain]

I see the name of the list at the bottom of every message, and it's also 
obviously in the email address of the posts to and from this list. The 
original poster also apologized for an off topic post to an iPhone list, 
which you'll see in the thread below. This doesn't make it right to make 
off topic posts, but it also doesn't mean it needs to be pointed out. 
IMHO, let the moderator deal with off topic posts.



On 12/2/19 4:59 AM, Janet Bell wrote:
yes it was because for once the sender’s email didn’t say which list 
but just another question what has getting a guide dog got to do with 
an iPhone list?

*From:* Christopher Chaltain
*Sent:* Monday, December 2, 2019 10:48 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com ; Janet Bell
*Subject:* Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

Assuming your question is sincere, this is the ViPhone mailing list.

On 12/2/19 4:41 AM, Janet Bell wrote:
can someone please remind me of the name of this list as I seem to 
have forgotten it.

*From:* Avnish Chopra
*Sent:* Monday, December 2, 2019 4:35 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 



To all the kind and wonderful ladies and gentlemen who helped answer 
my question – Thank you very much! Really appreciate your help and 
understanding.
To the others who thought it was a joke or made fun of my question, I 
wish they would read the rules of this group which I quote below:
“If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this 
list, or if
you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
owners or

moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.”
But then, perhaps this set of individuals revels in rebellion! Best 
of luck to them!

Best wishes & many blessings!


On 01-Dec-2019, at 11:29 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz 
mailto:cristobalm...@gmail.com wrote:


Got my dog from Leader Dogs in 95 as well. At the time, I was living 
in Mexico. They were I think at the time one of if not the only guide 
dog school that accepted international students.


Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com On 
Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 4:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

Dave, that Amazon comment was very ignorant and entirely inappropriate.
Kiruna is from India and you may want to remember that not everybody 
knows about everything.
I am in Canada and I get lots of people who ask me where I got my 
guide dog from, how much they are and if I have to pay for them.
And just in case this is something you didn't know, India is part of 
the Commonwealth just as Canada, Australia, Pakistan, Nigeria and 
other countries are so maybe it would be possible for somebody from a 
Commonwealth country where there is no guide dog school to apply to a 
guide dog school in another Commonwealth country and be accepted to 
get a dog. I am not saying this is so, but it is certainly possible.
I am in Canada yet I can apply at any US guide dog school to get a 
dog if I so choose even though we have several guide dog schools in 
Canada. My first dog was from Leader Dogs for the Blind in Rochester, 
Michigan and among the I think 24 people who were there in my group 
to get dogs 4 came from Spain on some arrangement the Spanish 
government or maybe it was some sort of Spanish not for profit group 
had with Leader Dogs.


Since nobody explained to Kiruna what the usual process is to get a 
guide dog, I will do so in general terms.
You apply to a guide dog school, if it is the first time you get a 
dog from them they typically would visit you where you live, they 
would want to see your home and where you work (if you work) and they 
would also want to see you walk around with a cane or your previous 
guide dog if you currently have one to assess your mobility skills 
and so on.
If they accept you, they will at some point let you know when you can 
get a dog, some schools have fairly long waiting lists. Once you get 
the date you have to go to the school for typically a 3-week training 
course where you get to know your dog and your dog gets to know you. 
Walking with a guide dog requires training just as walking with a 
cane does and if you have never had a dog you have to of course learn 
how to care for the dog, this includes grooming, feeding and picking 
up the dog poop in a little plastic bag; I know, sounds shitty, but I 
shit you not.
After your course you get to take your dog home, some schools may 
also send a guide dog trainer home with you to do some more training 
in your own environment or some schools may ask you to come for a 
shorter course at the school and then you do more one-on-one training 
in your own city/town. In rare cases a trainer may even come to you 
and do the entire training with you in your city/town, but I think 
most schools would need a good reason to do this.
Most schools also like to follo

Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Janet Bell]

yes it was because for once the sender’s email didn’t say which list but just 
another question what has getting a guide dog got to do with an iPhone list?

From: Christopher Chaltain 
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 10:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Janet Bell 
Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

Assuming your question is sincere, this is the ViPhone mailing list.



On 12/2/19 4:41 AM, Janet Bell wrote:

  can someone please remind me of the name of this list as I seem to have 
forgotten it.

  From: Avnish Chopra 
  Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 4:35 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

   
   
   
  To all the kind and wonderful ladies and gentlemen who helped answer my 
question – Thank you very much! Really appreciate your help and understanding.
  To the others who thought it was a joke or made fun of my question, I wish 
they would read the rules of this group which I quote below: 
  “ If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.”

  But then, perhaps this set of individuals revels in rebellion! Best of luck 
to them! 
  Best wishes & many blessings!






On 01-Dec-2019, at 11:29 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz mailto:cristobalm...@gmail.com 
wrote:


  Got my dog from Leader Dogs in 95 as well. At the time, I was living in 
Mexico. They were I think at the time one of if not the only guide dog school 
that accepted international students. 

  Cristóbal

  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
  Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 4:41 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

  Dave, that Amazon comment was very ignorant and entirely inappropriate.
  Kiruna is from India and you may want to remember that not everybody knows 
about everything.
  I am in Canada and I get lots of people who ask me where I got my guide dog 
from, how much they are and if I have to pay for them.
  And just in case this is something you didn't know, India is part of the 
Commonwealth just as Canada, Australia, Pakistan, Nigeria and other countries 
are so maybe it would be possible for somebody from a Commonwealth country 
where there is no guide dog school to apply to a guide dog school in another 
Commonwealth country and be accepted to get a dog. I am not saying this is so, 
but it is certainly possible.
  I am in Canada yet I can apply at any US guide dog school to get a dog if I 
so choose even though we have several guide dog schools in Canada. My first dog 
was from Leader Dogs for the Blind in Rochester, Michigan and among the I think 
24 people who were there in my group to get dogs 4 came from Spain on some 
arrangement the Spanish government or maybe it was some sort of Spanish not for 
profit group had with Leader Dogs.

  Since nobody explained to Kiruna what the usual process is to get a guide 
dog, I will do so in general terms.
  You apply to a guide dog school, if it is the first time you get a dog from 
them they typically would visit you where you live, they would want to see your 
home and where you work (if you work) and they would also want to see you walk 
around with a cane or your previous guide dog if you currently have one to 
assess your mobility skills and so on.
  If they accept you, they will at some point let you know when you can get a 
dog, some schools have fairly long waiting lists. Once you get the date you 
have to go to the school for typically a 3-week training course where you get 
to know your dog and your dog gets to know you. Walking with a guide dog 
requires training just as walking with a cane does and if you have never had a 
dog you have to of course learn how to care for the dog, this includes 
grooming, feeding and picking up the dog poop in a little plastic bag; I know, 
sounds shitty, but I shit you not.
  After your course you get to take your dog home, some schools may also send a 
guide dog trainer home with you to do some more training in your own 
environment or some schools may ask you to come for a shorter course at the 
school and then you do more one-on-one training in your own city/town. In rare 
cases a trainer may even come to you and do the entire training with you in 
your city/town, but I think most schools would need a good reason to do this.
  Most schools also like to follow up with you on an annual bases and they may 
send a trainer to do a walk with you and evaluate how things are going.
  Keep in mind that when you get a dog that dog is not yours. I assume all 
schools are the same in this respect, but should you not care for the dog 
properly they do have the right to take it away from you and I have heard of a 
few cases where this was 

Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Christopher Chaltain]

Assuming your question is sincere, this is the ViPhone mailing list.


On 12/2/19 4:41 AM, Janet Bell wrote:
can someone please remind me of the name of this list as I seem to 
have forgotten it.

*From:* Avnish Chopra
*Sent:* Monday, December 2, 2019 4:35 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 



To all the kind and wonderful ladies and gentlemen who helped answer 
my question – Thank you very much! Really appreciate your help and 
understanding.
To the others who thought it was a joke or made fun of my question, I 
wish they would read the rules of this group which I quote below:
“If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
or if
you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
owners or

moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.”
But then, perhaps this set of individuals revels in rebellion! Best of 
luck to them!

Best wishes & many blessings!


On 01-Dec-2019, at 11:29 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz 
 wrote:


Got my dog from Leader Dogs in 95 as well. At the time, I was living 
in Mexico. They were I think at the time one of if not the only guide 
dog school that accepted international students.


Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 4:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

Dave, that Amazon comment was very ignorant and entirely inappropriate.
Kiruna is from India and you may want to remember that not everybody 
knows about everything.
I am in Canada and I get lots of people who ask me where I got my 
guide dog from, how much they are and if I have to pay for them.
And just in case this is something you didn't know, India is part of 
the Commonwealth just as Canada, Australia, Pakistan, Nigeria and 
other countries are so maybe it would be possible for somebody from a 
Commonwealth country where there is no guide dog school to apply to a 
guide dog school in another Commonwealth country and be accepted to 
get a dog. I am not saying this is so, but it is certainly possible.
I am in Canada yet I can apply at any US guide dog school to get a dog 
if I so choose even though we have several guide dog schools in 
Canada. My first dog was from Leader Dogs for the Blind in Rochester, 
Michigan and among the I think 24 people who were there in my group to 
get dogs 4 came from Spain on some arrangement the Spanish government 
or maybe it was some sort of Spanish not for profit group had with 
Leader Dogs.


Since nobody explained to Kiruna what the usual process is to get a 
guide dog, I will do so in general terms.
You apply to a guide dog school, if it is the first time you get a dog 
from them they typically would visit you where you live, they would 
want to see your home and where you work (if you work) and they would 
also want to see you walk around with a cane or your previous guide 
dog if you currently have one to assess your mobility skills and so on.
If they accept you, they will at some point let you know when you can 
get a dog, some schools have fairly long waiting lists. Once you get 
the date you have to go to the school for typically a 3-week training 
course where you get to know your dog and your dog gets to know you. 
Walking with a guide dog requires training just as walking with a cane 
does and if you have never had a dog you have to of course learn how 
to care for the dog, this includes grooming, feeding and picking up 
the dog poop in a little plastic bag; I know, sounds shitty, but I 
shit you not.
After your course you get to take your dog home, some schools may also 
send a guide dog trainer home with you to do some more training in 
your own environment or some schools may ask you to come for a shorter 
course at the school and then you do more one-on-one training in your 
own city/town. In rare cases a trainer may even come to you and do the 
entire training with you in your city/town, but I think most schools 
would need a good reason to do this.
Most schools also like to follow up with you on an annual bases and 
they may send a trainer to do a walk with you and evaluate how things 
are going.
Keep in mind that when you get a dog that dog is not yours. I assume 
all schools are the same in this respect, but should you not care for 
the dog properly they do have the right to take it away from you and I 
have heard of a few cases where this was done.
As for the cost to train a dog, including breeding programs, puppy 
raising, training and after-care it is I believe around $30,000 or 
$35,000 US so actually buying a guide dog is not something most people 
could afford if the schools weren't not for profit organizations who 
are financed from donations, fund raising events, money bequeathed to 
them and so on. I believe in England the government is involved as 
well and in Germany the health insurance pays for g

Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Janet Bell]

can someone please remind me of the name of this list as I seem to have 
forgotten it.

From: Avnish Chopra 
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 4:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

 
 
 
To all the kind and wonderful ladies and gentlemen who helped answer my 
question – Thank you very much! Really appreciate your help and understanding.
To the others who thought it was a joke or made fun of my question, I wish they 
would read the rules of this group which I quote below: 
“ If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
  you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
  moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.”

But then, perhaps this set of individuals revels in rebellion! Best of luck to 
them! 
Best wishes & many blessings!




 


  On 01-Dec-2019, at 11:29 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz  wrote:


Got my dog from Leader Dogs in 95 as well. At the time, I was living in 
Mexico. They were I think at the time one of if not the only guide dog school 
that accepted international students. 

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 4:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

Dave, that Amazon comment was very ignorant and entirely inappropriate.
Kiruna is from India and you may want to remember that not everybody knows 
about everything.
I am in Canada and I get lots of people who ask me where I got my guide dog 
from, how much they are and if I have to pay for them.
And just in case this is something you didn't know, India is part of the 
Commonwealth just as Canada, Australia, Pakistan, Nigeria and other countries 
are so maybe it would be possible for somebody from a Commonwealth country 
where there is no guide dog school to apply to a guide dog school in another 
Commonwealth country and be accepted to get a dog. I am not saying this is so, 
but it is certainly possible.
I am in Canada yet I can apply at any US guide dog school to get a dog if I so 
choose even though we have several guide dog schools in Canada. My first dog 
was from Leader Dogs for the Blind in Rochester, Michigan and among the I think 
24 people who were there in my group to get dogs 4 came from Spain on some 
arrangement the Spanish government or maybe it was some sort of Spanish not for 
profit group had with Leader Dogs.

Since nobody explained to Kiruna what the usual process is to get a guide dog, 
I will do so in general terms.
You apply to a guide dog school, if it is the first time you get a dog from 
them they typically would visit you where you live, they would want to see your 
home and where you work (if you work) and they would also want to see you walk 
around with a cane or your previous guide dog if you currently have one to 
assess your mobility skills and so on.
If they accept you, they will at some point let you know when you can get a 
dog, some schools have fairly long waiting lists. Once you get the date you 
have to go to the school for typically a 3-week training course where you get 
to know your dog and your dog gets to know you. Walking with a guide dog 
requires training just as walking with a cane does and if you have never had a 
dog you have to of course learn how to care for the dog, this includes 
grooming, feeding and picking up the dog poop in a little plastic bag; I know, 
sounds shitty, but I shit you not.
After your course you get to take your dog home, some schools may also send a 
guide dog trainer home with you to do some more training in your own 
environment or some schools may ask you to come for a shorter course at the 
school and then you do more one-on-one training in your own city/town. In rare 
cases a trainer may even come to you and do the entire training with you in 
your city/town, but I think most schools would need a good reason to do this.
Most schools also like to follow up with you on an annual bases and they may 
send a trainer to do a walk with you and evaluate how things are going.
Keep in mind that when you get a dog that dog is not yours. I assume all 
schools are the same in this respect, but should you not care for the dog 
properly they do have the right to take it away from you and I have heard of a 
few cases where this was done.
As for the cost to train a dog, including breeding programs, puppy raising, 
training and after-care it is I believe around $30,000 or $35,000 US so 
actually buying a guide dog is not something most people could afford if the 
schools weren't not for profit organizations who are financed from donations, 
fund raising events, money bequeathed to them and so on. I believe in England 
the government is involved as well and in Germany the health insurance pays for 
guide dogs as well as for things like dog food, vet costs etc.

Lastly, remember the country where you live.

Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Avnish Chopra]



To all the kind and wonderful ladies and gentlemen who helped answer my 
question – Thank you very much! Really appreciate your help and understanding.
To the others who thought it was a joke or made fun of my question, I wish they 
would read the rules of this group which I quote below: 
“ If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.”
But then, perhaps this set of individuals revels in rebellion! Best of luck to 
them!
Best wishes & many blessings!


  

> On 01-Dec-2019, at 11:29 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz  wrote:

Got my dog from Leader Dogs in 95 as well. At the time, I was living in 
Mexico. They were I think at the time one of if not the only guide dog school 
that accepted international students. 

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 4:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

Dave, that Amazon comment was very ignorant and entirely inappropriate.
Kiruna is from India and you may want to remember that not everybody knows 
about everything.
I am in Canada and I get lots of people who ask me where I got my guide dog 
from, how much they are and if I have to pay for them.
And just in case this is something you didn't know, India is part of the 
Commonwealth just as Canada, Australia, Pakistan, Nigeria and other countries 
are so maybe it would be possible for somebody from a Commonwealth country 
where there is no guide dog school to apply to a guide dog school in another 
Commonwealth country and be accepted to get a dog. I am not saying this is so, 
but it is certainly possible.
I am in Canada yet I can apply at any US guide dog school to get a dog if I so 
choose even though we have several guide dog schools in Canada. My first dog 
was from Leader Dogs for the Blind in Rochester, Michigan and among the I think 
24 people who were there in my group to get dogs 4 came from Spain on some 
arrangement the Spanish government or maybe it was some sort of Spanish not for 
profit group had with Leader Dogs.

Since nobody explained to Kiruna what the usual process is to get a guide dog, 
I will do so in general terms.
You apply to a guide dog school, if it is the first time you get a dog from 
them they typically would visit you where you live, they would want to see your 
home and where you work (if you work) and they would also want to see you walk 
around with a cane or your previous guide dog if you currently have one to 
assess your mobility skills and so on.
If they accept you, they will at some point let you know when you can get a 
dog, some schools have fairly long waiting lists. Once you get the date you 
have to go to the school for typically a 3-week training course where you get 
to know your dog and your dog gets to know you. Walking with a guide dog 
requires training just as walking with a cane does and if you have never had a 
dog you have to of course learn how to care for the dog, this includes 
grooming, feeding and picking up the dog poop in a little plastic bag; I know, 
sounds shitty, but I shit you not.
After your course you get to take your dog home, some schools may also send a 
guide dog trainer home with you to do some more training in your own 
environment or some schools may ask you to come for a shorter course at the 
school and then you do more one-on-one training in your own city/town. In rare 
cases a trainer may even come to you and do the entire training with you in 
your city/town, but I think most schools would need a good reason to do this.
Most schools also like to follow up with you on an annual bases and they may 
send a trainer to do a walk with you and evaluate how things are going.
Keep in mind that when you get a dog that dog is not yours. I assume all 
schools are the same in this respect, but should you not care for the dog 
properly they do have the right to take it away from you and I have heard of a 
few cases where this was done.
As for the cost to train a dog, including breeding programs, puppy raising, 
training and after-care it is I believe around $30,000 or $35,000 US so 
actually buying a guide dog is not something most people could afford if the 
schools weren't not for profit organizations who are financed from donations, 
fund raising events, money bequeathed to them and so on. I believe in England 
the government is involved as well and in Germany the health insurance pays for 
guide dogs as well as for things like dog food, vet costs etc.

Lastly, remember the country where you live. How accepted are dogs there? I 
haven't been to India with or without a dog, but I did once take my guide dog 
to the Philippines where my wife is from. This was actually my first trip there 
in 2009 and when we first met in pers

To Sieghard. Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Dave]

Hi Sieghard. I am on many lists, and i don’t know, where every body is from.

I thought it was a spam Email, that reached the list.

I also apologised on list.

And i do know all the commonwealth countries.

All the best,

Dave.


From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 1:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

Thank you Sieghard for giving such a complete answer. 
I sent a link to a Wikipedia page of guide dog schools around the world, but 
since I've never had a dog, I wasn't comfortable giving too much detail. 
Great comment on the poop issue.





Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner



  On Dec 1, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


  Dave, that Amazon comment was very ignorant and entirely inappropriate.
  Kiruna is from India and you may want to remember that not everybody knows 
about everything.
  I am in Canada and I get lots of people who ask me where I got my guide dog 
from, how much they are and if I have to pay for them.
  And just in case this is something you didn't know, India is part of the 
Commonwealth just as Canada, Australia, Pakistan, Nigeria and other countries 
are so maybe it would be possible for somebody from a Commonwealth country 
where there is no guide dog school to apply to a guide dog school in another 
Commonwealth country and be accepted to get a dog. I am not saying this is so, 
but it is certainly possible.
  I am in Canada yet I can apply at any US guide dog school to get a dog if I 
so choose even though we have several guide dog schools in Canada. My first dog 
was from Leader Dogs for the Blind in Rochester, Michigan and among the I think 
24 people who were there in my group to get dogs 4 came from Spain on some 
arrangement the Spanish government or maybe it was some sort of Spanish not for 
profit group had with Leader Dogs.

  Since nobody explained to Kiruna what the usual process is to get a guide 
dog, I will do so in general terms.
  You apply to a guide dog school, if it is the first time you get a dog from 
them they typically would visit you where you live, they would want to see your 
home and where you work (if you work) and they would also want to see you walk 
around with a cane or your previous guide dog if you currently have one to 
assess your mobility skills and so on.
  If they accept you, they will at some point let you know when you can get a 
dog, some schools have fairly long waiting lists. Once you get the date you 
have to go to the school for typically a 3-week training course where you get 
to know your dog and your dog gets to know you. Walking with a guide dog 
requires training just as walking with a cane does and if you have never had a 
dog you have to of course learn how to care for the dog, this includes 
grooming, feeding and picking up the dog poop in a little plastic bag; I know, 
sounds shitty, but I shit you not.
  After your course you get to take your dog home, some schools may also send a 
guide dog trainer home with you to do some more training in your own 
environment or some schools may ask you to come for a shorter course at the 
school and then you do more one-on-one training in your own city/town. In rare 
cases a trainer may even come to you and do the entire training with you in 
your city/town, but I think most schools would need a good reason to do this.
  Most schools also like to follow up with you on an annual bases and they may 
send a trainer to do a walk with you and evaluate how things are going.
  Keep in mind that when you get a dog that dog is not yours. I assume all 
schools are the same in this respect, but should you not care for the dog 
properly they do have the right to take it away from you and I have heard of a 
few cases where this was done.
  As for the cost to train a dog, including breeding programs, puppy raising, 
training and after-care it is I believe around $30,000 or $35,000 US so 
actually buying a guide dog is not something most people could afford if the 
schools weren't not for profit organizations who are financed from donations, 
fund raising events, money bequeathed to them and so on. I believe in England 
the government is involved as well and in Germany the health insurance pays for 
guide dogs as well as for things like dog food, vet costs etc.

  Lastly, remember the country where you live. How accepted are dogs there? I 
haven't been to India with or without a dog, but I did once take my guide dog 
to the Philippines where my wife is from. This was actually my first trip there 
in 2009 and when we first met in person. I got all the paperwork done and I 
wish I had not taken him. The first week was OK, we stayed on a small island 
where we had rented a house together with another friend of mine from Germany 
who is also married to a Filipina. The second w

Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 🙏

['jan howells' via VIPhone]

At the Seeing Eye, you pay $150 for the first dog, and you pay 
$50 for every dog after that.  The first time you are there 26 
days.  After that, you go back for only 3 weeks instead of 4 for 
your second dog and the rest of them.  Guide Dog Foundation, and 
Freedom Guide Dogs do not charge for their dogs.  When I went to 
Leader Dogs, the Lions Club paid for the dog.  Freedom will come 
to your home and train you in your own neighborhood.


Jan

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RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 🙏

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Hi Kiruna,

When I went to the Seeing Eye, there were a few people from 
Canada there.  They did not come to visit me before I went for 
the first time, but they had me go there for an interview and and 
a walk with an instructor and a dog harness.  I passed their 
walking test.  They did not make me walk with a cane, just with 
an instructor and a dog harness.  The second time that I went, 
they sent me exercises to do.  They also took me home.  If I 
needed them, I would call them, and then they would come out to 
my home or work sesting.


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RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Got my dog from Leader Dogs in 95 as well. At the time, I was living in Mexico. 
They were I think at the time one of if not the only guide dog school that 
accepted international students. 

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
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Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 4:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

Dave, that Amazon comment was very ignorant and entirely inappropriate.
Kiruna is from India and you may want to remember that not everybody knows 
about everything.
I am in Canada and I get lots of people who ask me where I got my guide dog 
from, how much they are and if I have to pay for them.
And just in case this is something you didn't know, India is part of the 
Commonwealth just as Canada, Australia, Pakistan, Nigeria and other countries 
are so maybe it would be possible for somebody from a Commonwealth country 
where there is no guide dog school to apply to a guide dog school in another 
Commonwealth country and be accepted to get a dog. I am not saying this is so, 
but it is certainly possible.
I am in Canada yet I can apply at any US guide dog school to get a dog if I so 
choose even though we have several guide dog schools in Canada. My first dog 
was from Leader Dogs for the Blind in Rochester, Michigan and among the I think 
24 people who were there in my group to get dogs 4 came from Spain on some 
arrangement the Spanish government or maybe it was some sort of Spanish not for 
profit group had with Leader Dogs.

Since nobody explained to Kiruna what the usual process is to get a guide dog, 
I will do so in general terms.
You apply to a guide dog school, if it is the first time you get a dog from 
them they typically would visit you where you live, they would want to see your 
home and where you work (if you work) and they would also want to see you walk 
around with a cane or your previous guide dog if you currently have one to 
assess your mobility skills and so on.
If they accept you, they will at some point let you know when you can get a 
dog, some schools have fairly long waiting lists. Once you get the date you 
have to go to the school for typically a 3-week training course where you get 
to know your dog and your dog gets to know you. Walking with a guide dog 
requires training just as walking with a cane does and if you have never had a 
dog you have to of course learn how to care for the dog, this includes 
grooming, feeding and picking up the dog poop in a little plastic bag; I know, 
sounds shitty, but I shit you not.
After your course you get to take your dog home, some schools may also send a 
guide dog trainer home with you to do some more training in your own 
environment or some schools may ask you to come for a shorter course at the 
school and then you do more one-on-one training in your own city/town. In rare 
cases a trainer may even come to you and do the entire training with you in 
your city/town, but I think most schools would need a good reason to do this.
Most schools also like to follow up with you on an annual bases and they may 
send a trainer to do a walk with you and evaluate how things are going.
Keep in mind that when you get a dog that dog is not yours. I assume all 
schools are the same in this respect, but should you not care for the dog 
properly they do have the right to take it away from you and I have heard of a 
few cases where this was done.
As for the cost to train a dog, including breeding programs, puppy raising, 
training and after-care it is I believe around $30,000 or $35,000 US so 
actually buying a guide dog is not something most people could afford if the 
schools weren't not for profit organizations who are financed from donations, 
fund raising events, money bequeathed to them and so on. I believe in England 
the government is involved as well and in Germany the health insurance pays for 
guide dogs as well as for things like dog food, vet costs etc.

Lastly, remember the country where you live. How accepted are dogs there? I 
haven't been to India with or without a dog, but I did once take my guide dog 
to the Philippines where my wife is from. This was actually my first trip there 
in 2009 and when we first met in person. I got all the paperwork done and I 
wish I had not taken him. The first week was OK, we stayed on a small island 
where we had rented a house together with another friend of mine from Germany 
who is also married to a Filipina. The second week when I was back in the 
Manila area I could not take my dog anywhere, not even into a Mcdonald's. We 
did have a hotel which allowed pets for a fee and while a guide dog here is not 
considered a pet and has rights, these do not apply in other countries. We 
usually only went out for an hour or two at a time because I could not bring 
him anywhere, I couldn't go into a mall with him (all malls in the Philippines 
have armed security guards at all entrances), I

Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Richard Turner]

ines 
have armed security guards at all entrances), I could not take him into any 
restaurants and so on and it was even a fight to find a taxi who would take him 
and me back to the airport when it was time to go home. On my way home I flew 
via Seoul, South Korea and I had a full 24 hour layover there. I arrived at 7 
PM and my flight back to Vancouver was not until 7 PM the next day. I though 
I'd just go and get a hotel for the day, but no such luck. I had the help of a 
friendly person at the airport and we called probably 10 hotels and none of 
them would accept me with my guide dog. I ended up sleeping on a bench at the 
airport that night, I had asked one of the airline employees to show me around 
a bit to where the washrooms were and where I could take Mulligan outside and I 
can tell you it was a long 24 hours. I believe in a country like India you may 
find pretty good resistance towards a dog in certain areas or because of 
certain religious beliefs. I don't want to generalize, but here in Canada more 
often than not when I do have problems with my dog being accepted somewhere it 
is in a place wit staff from India or another middle Eastern country and often 
by people who follow Islam because in their faith a dog is considered to be an 
unclean animals which should not be touched. But, as I said, I am not wanting 
to single out anybody here, I have also twice had issues in a place which was 
owned by a German like myself and I certainly know Caucasian  Canadians who 
really dislike dogs, but at least here we have laws which clearly state that I 
can take my dog anywhere whether it's a super market, a 5-Star restaurant or a 
hotel, on the bus, train or in the airplane.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 3:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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If you don't reside in the UK. Then you won't qualify, to receive a guide dog.

You could try amazon. They may have some left over from black friday, lol.

Dave.


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Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

Hello Karuna,
You cannot just buy a guide dog to take home. In fact, you cannot just buy a 
guide dog period. I am going to guess that you are from India. You should try 
applying to one of the guide dog training schools in the UK and/or Australia. I 
have know idea if you would qualify for any of those schools though.
Best,
Terri Hedgpeth

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Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 2:27 PM
To: ViPhone 
Subject: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

Sincere apologies, this mail is off-topic and not related to the iPhone.
I am visiting the United States next week, I want to take back with me a 
trained guide dog for helping me move around. can anyone please suggest where I 
could buy one? Your help in this Will be greatly appreciateWill be greatly 
appreciated. You can email me directly at kar...@chopra.us

Thank you very much!

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[Feliciano Godoy]

Hi,
I suggest that you reach out to your local blind organization. They may have 
resources for you. unfortunately, obtaining a guide dog is not fast process 
where you can just pay out-of-pocket and get training. I personally prefer 
guide dogs for the blind in California or Oregon in the United States. You can 
also give them a call and get information. 


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> Sincere apologies, this mail is off-topic and not related to the iPhone.
> I am visiting the United States next week, I want to take back with me a 
> trained guide dog for helping me move around. can anyone please suggest where 
> I could buy one? Your help in this Will be greatly appreciateWill be greatly 
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> 
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RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Sieghard Weitzel]

 of a 
friendly person at the airport and we called probably 10 hotels and none of 
them would accept me with my guide dog. I ended up sleeping on a bench at the 
airport that night, I had asked one of the airline employees to show me around 
a bit to where the washrooms were and where I could take Mulligan outside and I 
can tell you it was a long 24 hours. I believe in a country like India you may 
find pretty good resistance towards a dog in certain areas or because of 
certain religious beliefs. I don't want to generalize, but here in Canada more 
often than not when I do have problems with my dog being accepted somewhere it 
is in a place wit staff from India or another middle Eastern country and often 
by people who follow Islam because in their faith a dog is considered to be an 
unclean animals which should not be touched. But, as I said, I am not wanting 
to single out anybody here, I have also twice had issues in a place which was 
owned by a German like myself and I certainly know Caucasian  Canadians who 
really dislike dogs, but at least here we have laws which clearly state that I 
can take my dog anywhere whether it's a super market, a 5-Star restaurant or a 
hotel, on the bus, train or in the airplane.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 3:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

If you don't reside in the UK. Then you won't qualify, to receive a guide dog.

You could try amazon. They may have some left over from black friday, lol.

Dave.


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Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

Hello Karuna,
You cannot just buy a guide dog to take home. In fact, you cannot just buy a 
guide dog period. I am going to guess that you are from India. You should try 
applying to one of the guide dog training schools in the UK and/or Australia. I 
have know idea if you would qualify for any of those schools though.
Best,
Terri Hedgpeth

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of karuna 
Chopra
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 2:27 PM
To: ViPhone 
Subject: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

Sincere apologies, this mail is off-topic and not related to the iPhone.
I am visiting the United States next week, I want to take back with me a 
trained guide dog for helping me move around. can anyone please suggest where I 
could buy one? Your help in this Will be greatly appreciateWill be greatly 
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[Janet Bell]

Hi Dave, so did I but I did laugh at your joke.  Janet

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Hi Jewel. Sorry. But i thought it was some kind of spam, when i first saw
it.

No offence ment.

Dave.


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Dear Dave!  Be careful of what you write as some may not recognise that you
were pulling the lower
limb and may take your advice and be, bitterly, disappointed.
I recognised your words for what they were meant and enjoyed the harmless
joke!

   Jewel

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If you don't reside in the UK. Then you won't qualify, to receive a guide
dog.

You could try amazon. They may have some left over from black friday, lol.

Dave.


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Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

Hello Karuna,
You cannot just buy a guide dog to take home. In fact, you cannot just buy a
guide dog period. I am going to guess that you are from India. You should
try applying to one of the guide dog training schools in the UK and/or
Australia. I have know idea if you would qualify for any of those schools
though.
Best,
Terri Hedgpeth

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karuna Chopra
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 2:27 PM
To: ViPhone 
Subject: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

Sincere apologies, this mail is off-topic and not related to the iPhone.
I am visiting the United States next week, I want to take back with me a
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[Dave]

Hi Jewel. Sorry. But i thought it was some kind of spam, when i first saw 
it.


No offence ment.

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Dear Dave!  Be careful of what you write as some may not recognise that you 
were pulling the lower

limb and may take your advice and be, bitterly, disappointed.
I recognised your words for what they were meant and enjoyed the harmless 
joke!


   Jewel

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From: "Dave" 
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To: 
Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

If you don't reside in the UK. Then you won't qualify, to receive a guide
dog.

You could try amazon. They may have some left over from black friday, lol.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: terri...@gmail.com

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:42 PM
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Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

Hello Karuna,
You cannot just buy a guide dog to take home. In fact, you cannot just buy a
guide dog period. I am going to guess that you are from India. You should
try applying to one of the guide dog training schools in the UK and/or
Australia. I have know idea if you would qualify for any of those schools
though.
Best,
Terri Hedgpeth

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
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Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 2:27 PM
To: ViPhone 
Subject: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

Sincere apologies, this mail is off-topic and not related to the iPhone.
I am visiting the United States next week, I want to take back with me a
trained guide dog for helping me move around. can anyone please suggest
where I could buy one? Your help in this Will be greatly appreciateWill be
greatly appreciated. You can email me directly at kar...@chopra.us

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Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Jewel]

Dear Dave!  Be careful of what you write as some may not recognise that you 
were pulling the lower 
limb and may take your advice and be, bitterly, disappointed.
I recognised your words for what they were meant and enjoyed the harmless joke!

Jewel

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If you don't reside in the UK. Then you won't qualify, to receive a guide
dog.

You could try amazon. They may have some left over from black friday, lol.

Dave.


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Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:42 PM
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Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

Hello Karuna,
You cannot just buy a guide dog to take home. In fact, you cannot just buy a
guide dog period. I am going to guess that you are from India. You should
try applying to one of the guide dog training schools in the UK and/or
Australia. I have know idea if you would qualify for any of those schools
though.
Best,
Terri Hedgpeth

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Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 2:27 PM
To: ViPhone 
Subject: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

Sincere apologies, this mail is off-topic and not related to the iPhone.
I am visiting the United States next week, I want to take back with me a
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Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Dave]

If you don't reside in the UK. Then you won't qualify, to receive a guide 
dog.


You could try amazon. They may have some left over from black friday, lol.

Dave.


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Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:42 PM
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Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

Hello Karuna,
You cannot just buy a guide dog to take home. In fact, you cannot just buy a 
guide dog period. I am going to guess that you are from India. You should 
try applying to one of the guide dog training schools in the UK and/or 
Australia. I have know idea if you would qualify for any of those schools 
though.

Best,
Terri Hedgpeth

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karuna Chopra

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 2:27 PM
To: ViPhone 
Subject: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

Sincere apologies, this mail is off-topic and not related to the iPhone.
I am visiting the United States next week, I want to take back with me a 
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Excuse me! Is this a joke. Or you totally Mad?

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Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

[Richard Turner]

Here is a link to a Wikipedia article with a list of dog guide schools around 
the world.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_guide_dog_schools?wprov=sfti1





Richard
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On Nov 30, 2019, at 1:42 PM, "terri...@gmail.com"  wrote:

Hello Karuna,
You cannot just buy a guide dog to take home. In fact, you cannot just buy a 
guide dog period. I am going to guess that you are from India. You should try 
applying to one of the guide dog training schools in the UK and/or Australia. I 
have know idea if you would qualify for any of those schools though.
Best,
Terri Hedgpeth

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Chopra
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Subject: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 

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Hello Karuna,
You cannot just buy a guide dog to take home. In fact, you cannot just buy a 
guide dog period. I am going to guess that you are from India. You should try 
applying to one of the guide dog training schools in the UK and/or Australia. I 
have know idea if you would qualify for any of those schools though.
Best,
Terri Hedgpeth 

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Chopra
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To: ViPhone 
Subject: Guide dog in United States-help me Please  

Sincere apologies, this mail is off-topic and not related to the iPhone.
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