RE: SIM Card vs eSIM Card

2023-04-04 Thread Dennis Long 
Just remove and dispose of them.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2023 1:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: SIM Card vs eSIM Card

 

Hi All,

 

I would like to thank every one for their input and opinions.  We did go with 
the eSIM cards and the transfer went relatively well.  Except for the lack of 
knowledge on the tech support's behalf.  This made things take a lot longer 
than necessary, but it's all over now.

 

Another question!  We're going to sell our SE2020's.  Since I've never done 
this before, do I sell the phones with the SIM cards left in them, or do I 
remove them and dispose of them?  Thanks much.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers! 

 

 

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From: Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2023 9:31 AM

Subject: RE: SIM Card vs eSIM Card

 

It is only a matter of time until SIM trays and physical SIM cards disappear 
entirely and it can't be soon enough for me. As long as there is a mechanism in 
lace which allows for transferring eSIMs not just between iPhones but also 
between iPhones and Android phones there is really no good reason for SIM 
cards. They might be very small, but manufacturing them, distributing them and 
all that takes up resources, there is packaging and eventually Billions of them 
end up in our landfills and oceans.
between 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Mike 
Arrigo
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2023 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: SIM Card vs eSIM Card

I still much prefer a physical sim card, it’s much easier to transfer it 
between phones, especially if you use IOS and Android like I do. I think Apple 
removing the sim tray on the Iphone 14 was a mistake, that’s one reason I got 
the Iphone SE instead, I would 

> On Apr 3, 2023, at 7:28 AM, Mike B.  <mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com> > wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
>  My wife and I we'll be receiving our new SE2022 iPhones today.  Which will 
> be better, sticking with the physical SIM Cards, or switching to the, eSIM 
> card?
>  If we do any traveling it'll be only here in the United States and our 
> carrier is Spectrum.  So, since our carrier is nationwide this shouldn't be 
> any problem.  I'm throwing thi information in because this could matter to 
> someone that travels out of the country.
>  All input is welcome.  Thanks much.
> 
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers! 
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definitely stick with the physical sim card.

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Re: SIM Card vs eSIM Card

2023-04-04 Thread joseph hudson 
If the phones are no longer active and you factory reset the phones, I 
wouldn't think it would matter whether you did or not. More than likely, if you 
sell the phones, and if you were going to sell them to a kiosk, they will want 
the Sim cards removed. If you're selling them to an individual, I don't think 
it would matter whether you remove the Sim card or not.

> On Apr 4, 2023, at 12:25 PM, Mike B.  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
>  
> I would like to thank every one for their input and opinions.  We did go with 
> the eSIM cards and the transfer went relatively well.  Except for the lack of 
> knowledge on the tech support's behalf.  This made things take a lot longer 
> than necessary, but it's all over now.
>  
> Another question!  We're going to sell our SE2020's.  Since I've never done 
> this before, do I sell the phones with the SIM cards left in them, or do I 
> remove them and dispose of them?  Thanks much.
> 
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers! 
>  
>  
> - Original Message - 
> From: Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2023 9:31 AM
> Subject: RE: SIM Card vs eSIM Card
> 
> It is only a matter of time until SIM trays and physical SIM cards disappear 
> entirely and it can't be soon enough for me. As long as there is a mechanism 
> in lace which allows for transferring eSIMs not just between iPhones but also 
> between iPhones and Android phones there is really no good reason for SIM 
> cards. They might be very small, but manufacturing them, distributing them 
> and all that takes up resources, there is packaging and eventually Billions 
> of them end up in our landfills and oceans.
> between 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2023 4:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: SIM Card vs eSIM Card
> 
> I still much prefer a physical sim card, it’s much easier to transfer it 
> between phones, especially if you use IOS and Android like I do. I think 
> Apple removing the sim tray on the Iphone 14 was a mistake, that’s one reason 
> I got the Iphone SE instead, I would 
> 
> > On Apr 3, 2023, at 7:28 AM, Mike B.  > <mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi All,
> >  My wife and I we'll be receiving our new SE2022 iPhones today.  Which will 
> > be better, sticking with the physical SIM Cards, or switching to the, eSIM 
> > card?
> >  If we do any traveling it'll be only here in the United States and our 
> > carrier is Spectrum.  So, since our carrier is nationwide this shouldn't be 
> > any problem.  I'm throwing thi information in because this could matter to 
> > someone that travels out of the country.
> >  All input is welcome.  Thanks much.
> > 
> > Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers! 
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> definitely stick with the physical sim card.
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Re: SIM Card vs eSIM Card

2023-04-04 Thread Mike B. 
Hi All,

I would like to thank every one for their input and opinions.  We did go 
with the eSIM cards and the transfer went relatively well.  Except for the 
lack of knowledge on the tech support's behalf.  This made things take a lot 
longer than necessary, but it's all over now.

Another question!  We're going to sell our SE2020's.  Since I've never done 
this before, do I sell the phones with the SIM cards left in them, or do I 
remove them and dispose of them?  Thanks much.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!


- Original Message - 
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2023 9:31 AM
Subject: RE: SIM Card vs eSIM Card


It is only a matter of time until SIM trays and physical SIM cards disappear 
entirely and it can't be soon enough for me. As long as there is a mechanism 
in lace which allows for transferring eSIMs not just between iPhones but 
also between iPhones and Android phones there is really no good reason for 
SIM cards. They might be very small, but manufacturing them, distributing 
them and all that takes up resources, there is packaging and eventually 
Billions of them end up in our landfills and oceans.
between

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
Arrigo
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2023 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: SIM Card vs eSIM Card

I still much prefer a physical sim card, it’s much easier to transfer it 
between phones, especially if you use IOS and Android like I do. I think 
Apple removing the sim tray on the Iphone 14 was a mistake, that’s one 
reason I got the Iphone SE instead, I would

> On Apr 3, 2023, at 7:28 AM, Mike B.  wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>  My wife and I we'll be receiving our new SE2022 iPhones today.  Which 
> will be better, sticking with the physical SIM Cards, or switching to the, 
> eSIM card?
>  If we do any traveling it'll be only here in the United States and our 
> carrier is Spectrum.  So, since our carrier is nationwide this shouldn't 
> be any problem.  I'm throwing thi information in because this could matter 
> to someone that travels out of the country.
>  All input is welcome.  Thanks much.
>
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
>
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definitely stick with the physical sim card.

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RE: SIM Card vs eSIM Card

2023-04-04 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
It is only a matter of time until SIM trays and physical SIM cards disappear 
entirely and it can't be soon enough for me. As long as there is a mechanism in 
lace which allows for transferring eSIMs not just between iPhones but also 
between iPhones and Android phones there is really no good reason for SIM 
cards. They might be very small, but manufacturing them, distributing them and 
all that takes up resources, there is packaging and eventually Billions of them 
end up in our landfills and oceans.
between 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
Arrigo
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2023 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: SIM Card vs eSIM Card

I still much prefer a physical sim card, it’s much easier to transfer it 
between phones, especially if you use IOS and Android like I do. I think Apple 
removing the sim tray on the Iphone 14 was a mistake, that’s one reason I got 
the Iphone SE instead, I would 

> On Apr 3, 2023, at 7:28 AM, Mike B.  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
>  My wife and I we'll be receiving our new SE2022 iPhones today.  Which will 
> be better, sticking with the physical SIM Cards, or switching to the, eSIM 
> card?
>  If we do any traveling it'll be only here in the United States and our 
> carrier is Spectrum.  So, since our carrier is nationwide this shouldn't be 
> any problem.  I'm throwing thi information in because this could matter to 
> someone that travels out of the country.
>  All input is welcome.  Thanks much.
> 
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers! 
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definitely stick with the physical sim card.

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Re: SIM Card vs eSIM Card

2023-04-04 Thread Mike Arrigo 
I still much prefer a physical sim card, it’s much easier to transfer it 
between phones, especially if you use IOS and Android like I do. I think Apple 
removing the sim tray on the Iphone 14 was a mistake, that’s one reason I got 
the Iphone SE instead, I would 

> On Apr 3, 2023, at 7:28 AM, Mike B.  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
>  My wife and I we'll be receiving our new SE2022 iPhones today.  Which will 
> be better, sticking with the physical SIM Cards, or switching to the, eSIM 
> card?
>  If we do any traveling it'll be only here in the United States and our 
> carrier is Spectrum.  So, since our carrier is nationwide this shouldn't be 
> any problem.  I'm throwing thi information in because this could matter to 
> someone that travels out of the country.
>  All input is welcome.  Thanks much.
> 
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers! 
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definitely stick with the physical sim card.

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Re: SIM Card vs eSIM Card

2023-04-03 Thread joseph hudson 
Hello, yes, you would be correct about these plans. However, they have a plan 
cod unlimited plus which I would activate if I chose to go overseas. Which 
would offset the cost for these charges. And I also, have a plan like your 
friend in Germany. Or I had to have Internet service at my residence before 
getting on their mobile service.

> On Apr 3, 2023, at 12:28 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Joseph,
>  
> A Quick Google search gave me the following website which seems to be 
> up-to-date:
>  
> Spectrum Mobile Roaming Rates For All Countries 
> <https://tecody.com/spectrum-mobile-roaming-rates/>
>  
> According to that, Spectrum does charge for calls, texts and data although it 
> is quite reasonable, here is what they show for Canada and the Philippines:
> Canada
> Call: $0.01/minute
> SMS: $0.02
> Data: $0.01/mb
> Philippines
> Call: $0.08/minute
> SMS: $0.02 
> Data: $0.01mb
>  
> Text and data rates are the same, but calls if you are in the Philippines can 
> add up at 8 Cents a minute. Using data would work out to be $10/Gb so if I 
> used 3 Gb during a typical holiday it would be $30 which isn't too bad and if 
> our Canadian carriers would offer such a deal I probably wouldn't bother 
> getting a local SIM in the Philippines, either although in this particular 
> example I still might because my wife's family usually texts and of course 
> they would not want to send us texts to our Canadian numbers. Despite the 
> fact that a SIM is inexpensive there and data is relatively cheap compared to 
> here in Canada, still many people can't afford to have some big data plan all 
> the time.
> I know a friend of mine from Germany can use his German mobile here as if he 
> was at home and it doesn't cost him anything extra, but he has some sort of 
> fairly large package thorugh his provider there which gives him his home 
> phone, internet, cell phone and I think also TV and I guess if you pay enough 
> then you get it for free, but as always and everywhere, you get what you pay 
> for and if you try to find the best and least expensive package here, then 
> you can't typically assume you have free roaming included.
> It is not for no reason why sometimes you hear about people who travel 
> outside of the US or Canada and their kid ends up watching a few movies 
> without the parents realizing it and they come home to a $1,000 roaming bill. 
> When I searched for the Spectrum roaming rates I saw a search result which 
> stated that T-Mobile apparentl did away with roaming charges.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of joseph 
> hudson
> Sent: Monday, April 3, 2023 10:12 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: SIM Card vs eSIM Card
>  
> Yes, I guess that's what I mean. They have roaming agreements. With other 
> countries. And you won't be charged extra for using that service from what 
> they say.
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> On Apr 3, 2023, at 12:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>  
> Also, what do you mean by " Spectrum will be supported wherever you go"? If 
> you mena they have roaming agreements with carriers in many other countries 
> then that is true for pretty much all providers, but it is not necessarily a 
> good option in terms of cost. Once again, I don't know what they offer 
> exactly, but here in Canada using the roaming feature if you go on holidays 
> for 2 or 3 weeks is definitely not a good option. Telus, for example, has 
> their "easy roam" option and with it I can use my iPhone just if I were at 
> home and while this may be convenient, it is expensive. They have two plans, 
> if I travel to the United States it is $14/day and if I travel 
> internationally they offer the same in somewhere around 200 countries for 
> $16/day. Yes, I can then simply use my phone, people can call my Canadian 
> number and I can talk unlimited, I can also call back to Canada unlimited and 
> I can use my data according to my plan, e.g. I have a 50 Gb data plan so that 
> is what I can use. However, if I am there let's say for 20 days then it costs 
> me $320 and considering that in the Philippines I can buy a SIM for 40 Pesos 
> (approx. $1 Canadian or around 70 Cents US) and I can buy 2 or 3 Gb of data 
> for maybe $5, this is super expensive. I use a Voice over IP phone system for 
> my business so as long as I have data, I get all business calls and can 
> decide whether to take them or not and I can call out from my business 
> number. As for family and friends, many have iPhones or use WhatsApp so that 
> is not a problem, either and t

RE: SIM Card vs eSIM Card

2023-04-03 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
Hi Joseph,

A Quick Google search gave me the following website which seems to be 
up-to-date:

Spectrum Mobile Roaming Rates For All 
Countries<https://tecody.com/spectrum-mobile-roaming-rates/>

According to that, Spectrum does charge for calls, texts and data although it 
is quite reasonable, here is what they show for Canada and the Philippines:
Canada
Call: $0.01/minute
SMS: $0.02
Data: $0.01/mb
Philippines
Call: $0.08/minute
SMS: $0.02
Data: $0.01mb

Text and data rates are the same, but calls if you are in the Philippines can 
add up at 8 Cents a minute. Using data would work out to be $10/Gb so if I used 
3 Gb during a typical holiday it would be $30 which isn't too bad and if our 
Canadian carriers would offer such a deal I probably wouldn't bother getting a 
local SIM in the Philippines, either although in this particular example I 
still might because my wife's family usually texts and of course they would not 
want to send us texts to our Canadian numbers. Despite the fact that a SIM is 
inexpensive there and data is relatively cheap compared to here in Canada, 
still many people can't afford to have some big data plan all the time.
I know a friend of mine from Germany can use his German mobile here as if he 
was at home and it doesn't cost him anything extra, but he has some sort of 
fairly large package thorugh his provider there which gives him his home phone, 
internet, cell phone and I think also TV and I guess if you pay enough then you 
get it for free, but as always and everywhere, you get what you pay for and if 
you try to find the best and least expensive package here, then you can't 
typically assume you have free roaming included.
It is not for no reason why sometimes you hear about people who travel outside 
of the US or Canada and their kid ends up watching a few movies without the 
parents realizing it and they come home to a $1,000 roaming bill. When I 
searched for the Spectrum roaming rates I saw a search result which stated that 
T-Mobile apparentl did away with roaming charges.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of joseph 
hudson
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2023 10:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: SIM Card vs eSIM Card

Yes, I guess that's what I mean. They have roaming agreements. With other 
countries. And you won't be charged extra for using that service from what they 
say.
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On Apr 3, 2023, at 12:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Also, what do you mean by " Spectrum will be supported wherever you go"? If you 
mena they have roaming agreements with carriers in many other countries then 
that is true for pretty much all providers, but it is not necessarily a good 
option in terms of cost. Once again, I don't know what they offer exactly, but 
here in Canada using the roaming feature if you go on holidays for 2 or 3 weeks 
is definitely not a good option. Telus, for example, has their "easy roam" 
option and with it I can use my iPhone just if I were at home and while this 
may be convenient, it is expensive. They have two plans, if I travel to the 
United States it is $14/day and if I travel internationally they offer the same 
in somewhere around 200 countries for $16/day. Yes, I can then simply use my 
phone, people can call my Canadian number and I can talk unlimited, I can also 
call back to Canada unlimited and I can use my data according to my plan, e.g. 
I have a 50 Gb data plan so that is what I can use. However, if I am there 
let's say for 20 days then it costs me $320 and considering that in the 
Philippines I can buy a SIM for 40 Pesos (approx. $1 Canadian or around 70 
Cents US) and I can buy 2 or 3 Gb of data for maybe $5, this is super 
expensive. I use a Voice over IP phone system for my business so as long as I 
have data, I get all business calls and can decide whether to take them or not 
and I can call out from my business number. As for family and friends, many 
have iPhones or use WhatsApp so that is not a problem, either and typically 2 
or 3 Gb of data will be enough for 2 or 3 weeks if it's used primarily for just 
email and phone calls, but even if I have to buy another couple of Gigs, I can 
typically still get by spending maybe $10 or $15 which is a lot less than $320.
On the other hand, if I had to go to the US for a couple of days to a trade 
show or something like that I would of course not bother, I'd just pay the 
$14/day and not worry about having to get some sort of prepaid service.

For the most part a Dollar (that would

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of joseph 
hudson
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2023 9:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: SIM Card vs eSIM Card

Hi Mike, while I just switched to eSIM from my iPhone 14, I will tell you, once 
you got the eSIM, it makes the transfer to the new phone a lot easier.

RE: SIM Card vs eSIM Card

2023-04-03 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
Fair enough and my apologies because on my first glance at his message I made 
the mistake of not reading the entire message especially the part where he says 
that if they do any travelling it will be in the United States.
But at least now anybody else who might be thinking of the same has mostly the 
information they have to consider no matter in what country they are.
To summarize, it really comes down to whether your provider wherever you are 
supports eSIM transfer, if they do it's in a way a no-brainer and I can't think 
of any reason not to use eSIM.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of joseph 
hudson
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2023 9:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: SIM Card vs eSIM Card

Hi, since I was replying to Mike's question, and I know he lives in the US 
because I've spoke with him other song before. And I am aware that Spectrum 
will support the eSIM transfer, because I also have them, it was to answer his 
questions not an international subscriber.


On Apr 3, 2023, at 11:53 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

As I said in my reply, make sure your carrier does support eSIM transfer. I 
believe in the US most carriers support it hence the lack of a physical SIM 
tray on the iPhone 14 and going forward I assume Apple will not go back to 
putting one in, but we know that there are people from many countries on this 
list so it's not a one sulution fits all type of issue.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of joseph 
hudson
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2023 9:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: SIM Card vs eSIM Card

Hi Mike, while I just switched to eSIM from my iPhone 14, I will tell you, once 
you got the eSIM, it makes the transfer to the new phone a lot easier. Is there 
will be a pop-up that will pop up on your old phone or I mean new phone for you 
to ask, allow the eSIM transfer. Once this is done, you will be set to go. And 
even if you do travel out of the country, Spectrum will be supported wherever 
you go. They have multiple countries supported.



On Apr 3, 2023, at 7:28 AM, Mike B. 
mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com>> wrote:

Hi All,

My wife and I we'll be receiving our new SE2022 iPhones today.  Which will be 
better, sticking with the physical SIM Cards, or switching to the, eSIM card?

If we do any traveling it'll be only here in the United States and our carrier 
is Spectrum.  So, since our carrier is nationwide this shouldn't be any 
problem.  I'm throwing thi information in because this could matter to someone 
that travels out of the country.

All input is welcome.  Thanks much.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

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Re: SIM Card vs eSIM Card

2023-04-03 Thread joseph hudson 
Yes, I guess that's what I mean. They have roaming agreements. With other 
countries. And you won't be charged extra for using that service from what they 
say.
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> On Apr 3, 2023, at 12:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Also, what do you mean by " Spectrum will be supported wherever you go"? If 
> you mena they have roaming agreements with carriers in many other countries 
> then that is true for pretty much all providers, but it is not necessarily a 
> good option in terms of cost. Once again, I don't know what they offer 
> exactly, but here in Canada using the roaming feature if you go on holidays 
> for 2 or 3 weeks is definitely not a good option. Telus, for example, has 
> their "easy roam" option and with it I can use my iPhone just if I were at 
> home and while this may be convenient, it is expensive. They have two plans, 
> if I travel to the United States it is $14/day and if I travel 
> internationally they offer the same in somewhere around 200 countries for 
> $16/day. Yes, I can then simply use my phone, people can call my Canadian 
> number and I can talk unlimited, I can also call back to Canada unlimited and 
> I can use my data according to my plan, e.g. I have a 50 Gb data plan so that 
> is what I can use. However, if I am there let's say for 20 days then it costs 
> me $320 and considering that in the Philippines I can buy a SIM for 40 Pesos 
> (approx. $1 Canadian or around 70 Cents US) and I can buy 2 or 3 Gb of data 
> for maybe $5, this is super expensive. I use a Voice over IP phone system for 
> my business so as long as I have data, I get all business calls and can 
> decide whether to take them or not and I can call out from my business 
> number. As for family and friends, many have iPhones or use WhatsApp so that 
> is not a problem, either and typically 2 or 3 Gb of data will be enough for 2 
> or 3 weeks if it's used primarily for just email and phone calls, but even if 
> I have to buy another couple of Gigs, I can typically still get by spending 
> maybe $10 or $15 which is a lot less than $320.
> On the other hand, if I had to go to the US for a couple of days to a trade 
> show or something like that I would of course not bother, I'd just pay the 
> $14/day and not worry about having to get some sort of prepaid service.
>  
> For the most part a Dollar (that would 
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of joseph 
> hudson
> Sent: Monday, April 3, 2023 9:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: SIM Card vs eSIM Card
>  
> Hi Mike, while I just switched to eSIM from my iPhone 14, I will tell you, 
> once you got the eSIM, it makes the transfer to the new phone a lot easier. 
> Is there will be a pop-up that will pop up on your old phone or I mean new 
> phone for you to ask, allow the eSIM transfer. Once this is done, you will be 
> set to go. And even if you do travel out of the country, Spectrum will be 
> supported wherever you go. They have multiple countries supported.
> 
> 
> On Apr 3, 2023, at 7:28 AM, Mike B.  <mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi All,
>  
> My wife and I we'll be receiving our new SE2022 iPhones today.  Which will be 
> better, sticking with the physical SIM Cards, or switching to the, eSIM card?
>  
> If we do any traveling it'll be only here in the United States and our 
> carrier is Spectrum.  So, since our carrier is nationwide this shouldn't be 
> any problem.  I'm throwing thi information in because this could matter to 
> someone that travels out of the country.
>  
> All input is welcome.  Thanks much.
> 
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers! 
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RE: SIM Card vs eSIM Card

2023-04-03 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
Also, what do you mean by " Spectrum will be supported wherever you go"? If you 
mena they have roaming agreements with carriers in many other countries then 
that is true for pretty much all providers, but it is not necessarily a good 
option in terms of cost. Once again, I don't know what they offer exactly, but 
here in Canada using the roaming feature if you go on holidays for 2 or 3 weeks 
is definitely not a good option. Telus, for example, has their "easy roam" 
option and with it I can use my iPhone just if I were at home and while this 
may be convenient, it is expensive. They have two plans, if I travel to the 
United States it is $14/day and if I travel internationally they offer the same 
in somewhere around 200 countries for $16/day. Yes, I can then simply use my 
phone, people can call my Canadian number and I can talk unlimited, I can also 
call back to Canada unlimited and I can use my data according to my plan, e.g. 
I have a 50 Gb data plan so that is what I can use. However, if I am there 
let's say for 20 days then it costs me $320 and considering that in the 
Philippines I can buy a SIM for 40 Pesos (approx. $1 Canadian or around 70 
Cents US) and I can buy 2 or 3 Gb of data for maybe $5, this is super 
expensive. I use a Voice over IP phone system for my business so as long as I 
have data, I get all business calls and can decide whether to take them or not 
and I can call out from my business number. As for family and friends, many 
have iPhones or use WhatsApp so that is not a problem, either and typically 2 
or 3 Gb of data will be enough for 2 or 3 weeks if it's used primarily for just 
email and phone calls, but even if I have to buy another couple of Gigs, I can 
typically still get by spending maybe $10 or $15 which is a lot less than $320.
On the other hand, if I had to go to the US for a couple of days to a trade 
show or something like that I would of course not bother, I'd just pay the 
$14/day and not worry about having to get some sort of prepaid service.

For the most part a Dollar (that would

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of joseph 
hudson
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2023 9:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: SIM Card vs eSIM Card

Hi Mike, while I just switched to eSIM from my iPhone 14, I will tell you, once 
you got the eSIM, it makes the transfer to the new phone a lot easier. Is there 
will be a pop-up that will pop up on your old phone or I mean new phone for you 
to ask, allow the eSIM transfer. Once this is done, you will be set to go. And 
even if you do travel out of the country, Spectrum will be supported wherever 
you go. They have multiple countries supported.


On Apr 3, 2023, at 7:28 AM, Mike B. 
mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com>> wrote:

Hi All,

My wife and I we'll be receiving our new SE2022 iPhones today.  Which will be 
better, sticking with the physical SIM Cards, or switching to the, eSIM card?

If we do any traveling it'll be only here in the United States and our carrier 
is Spectrum.  So, since our carrier is nationwide this shouldn't be any 
problem.  I'm throwing thi information in because this could matter to someone 
that travels out of the country.

All input is welcome.  Thanks much.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

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Re: SIM Card vs eSIM Card

2023-04-03 Thread joseph hudson 
Hi, since I was replying to Mike's question, and I know he lives in the US 
because I've spoke with him other song before. And I am aware that Spectrum 
will support the eSIM transfer, because I also have them, it was to answer his 
questions not an international subscriber.

> On Apr 3, 2023, at 11:53 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> As I said in my reply, make sure your carrier does support eSIM transfer. I 
> believe in the US most carriers support it hence the lack of a physical SIM 
> tray on the iPhone 14 and going forward I assume Apple will not go back to 
> putting one in, but we know that there are people from many countries on this 
> list so it's not a one sulution fits all type of issue.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of joseph 
> hudson
> Sent: Monday, April 3, 2023 9:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: SIM Card vs eSIM Card
>  
> Hi Mike, while I just switched to eSIM from my iPhone 14, I will tell you, 
> once you got the eSIM, it makes the transfer to the new phone a lot easier. 
> Is there will be a pop-up that will pop up on your old phone or I mean new 
> phone for you to ask, allow the eSIM transfer. Once this is done, you will be 
> set to go. And even if you do travel out of the country, Spectrum will be 
> supported wherever you go. They have multiple countries supported.
> 
> 
> On Apr 3, 2023, at 7:28 AM, Mike B.  <mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi All,
>  
> My wife and I we'll be receiving our new SE2022 iPhones today.  Which will be 
> better, sticking with the physical SIM Cards, or switching to the, eSIM card?
>  
> If we do any traveling it'll be only here in the United States and our 
> carrier is Spectrum.  So, since our carrier is nationwide this shouldn't be 
> any problem.  I'm throwing thi information in because this could matter to 
> someone that travels out of the country.
>  
> All input is welcome.  Thanks much.
> 
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers! 
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RE: SIM Card vs eSIM Card

2023-04-03 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
As I said in my reply, make sure your carrier does support eSIM transfer. I 
believe in the US most carriers support it hence the lack of a physical SIM 
tray on the iPhone 14 and going forward I assume Apple will not go back to 
putting one in, but we know that there are people from many countries on this 
list so it's not a one sulution fits all type of issue.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of joseph 
hudson
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2023 9:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: SIM Card vs eSIM Card

Hi Mike, while I just switched to eSIM from my iPhone 14, I will tell you, once 
you got the eSIM, it makes the transfer to the new phone a lot easier. Is there 
will be a pop-up that will pop up on your old phone or I mean new phone for you 
to ask, allow the eSIM transfer. Once this is done, you will be set to go. And 
even if you do travel out of the country, Spectrum will be supported wherever 
you go. They have multiple countries supported.


On Apr 3, 2023, at 7:28 AM, Mike B. 
mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com>> wrote:

Hi All,

My wife and I we'll be receiving our new SE2022 iPhones today.  Which will be 
better, sticking with the physical SIM Cards, or switching to the, eSIM card?

If we do any traveling it'll be only here in the United States and our carrier 
is Spectrum.  So, since our carrier is nationwide this shouldn't be any 
problem.  I'm throwing thi information in because this could matter to someone 
that travels out of the country.

All input is welcome.  Thanks much.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

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Re: SIM Card vs eSIM Card

2023-04-03 Thread joseph hudson 
Hi Mike, while I just switched to eSIM from my iPhone 14, I will tell you, once 
you got the eSIM, it makes the transfer to the new phone a lot easier. Is there 
will be a pop-up that will pop up on your old phone or I mean new phone for you 
to ask, allow the eSIM transfer. Once this is done, you will be set to go. And 
even if you do travel out of the country, Spectrum will be supported wherever 
you go. They have multiple countries supported.

> On Apr 3, 2023, at 7:28 AM, Mike B.  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
>  
> My wife and I we'll be receiving our new SE2022 iPhones today.  Which will be 
> better, sticking with the physical SIM Cards, or switching to the, eSIM card?
>  
> If we do any traveling it'll be only here in the United States and our 
> carrier is Spectrum.  So, since our carrier is nationwide this shouldn't be 
> any problem.  I'm throwing thi information in because this could matter to 
> someone that travels out of the country.
>  
> All input is welcome.  Thanks much.
> 
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers! 
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RE: SIM Card vs eSIM Card

2023-04-03 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
Here are 2 questions you should ask yourself:
1. Do I travel to countries where I may want to buy a local physical SIM?
2. Do you want to set up a second cellular plan from a provider which doesn't 
offer eSIM?
If the answer to any of these questions is Yes then switching to eSIM for your 
main provider in whatever country  you live in (if your providers offers it) 
might be a good idea.
If not then I really don't think it makes much of a difference at this point.

I am quite sure that there is a definite trend towards eSIM especially here in 
North America and maybe Europe, Australia, New Zealand etc. This becomes more 
apparent when you consider that the US version of the iPhone 14 actually 
doesn't have a SIM tray any more hence you can only use eSIM with that phone.
But until all providers offer eSIM transfer which means you can reuse your eSIM 
and easily transfer it from your current phone to a new phone, eSIM can be a 
pain in the neck.
I had switched to eSIM on my iPhone 11 before my wife and I went to the 
Philippines a year ago because I knew I wanted to buy a SIM card and data 
package there. When I then received my iPhone 13 Pro I thought this is no 
problem, I can just transfer the eSIM. Wrong! When I tried I was informed that 
my provider, Telus here in Canada, does not support this. My choice was to go 
back to a physical SIM which Telus sent to me along with my phone or to request 
a new eSIM which would have meant having to wait at least 3 or 4 days for Telus 
to mail me a card with a QR code to scan since I live in a small town and 
unlike in a larger city, I can't just pop into a Telus store or other large 
retailer like Best Buy where I think I could have gotten one.
So I went back to the physical SIM which meant I had to also waste  more time 
going to the Telus website to transfer my number to that SIM since it of course 
came with its own new number.
I think at this point I will stay away from eSIM especially since so far 
iPhones sold in Canada, even the iPhone 14/14 Pro, still have a SIM tray and I 
assume the iPhone 15 phones coming out this year will also have it. We are not 
going back to the Philippines until late February next year so before then I 
will check if Telus is then supporting eSIM transfer and if not I'll either see 
if a carrier in the Philippines supports eSIM or else I'll just take my Telus 
SIM out and keep it in a safe place for the 2 or 3 weeks I'll be there.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2023 5:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: SIM Card vs eSIM Card

Hi All,

My wife and I we'll be receiving our new SE2022 iPhones today.  Which will be 
better, sticking with the physical SIM Cards, or switching to the, eSIM card?

If we do any traveling it'll be only here in the United States and our carrier 
is Spectrum.  So, since our carrier is nationwide this shouldn't be any 
problem.  I'm throwing thi information in because this could matter to someone 
that travels out of the country.

All input is welcome.  Thanks much.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
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