Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement
Looks like you may be right. They have a twitter account which I found at: https://mobile.twitter.com/taptapsee And, if one reads through the tweets there, they indicate a combination of database algorithm and crowdsourcing being used. - Original Message - From: Lauren Simmons simmonslaure...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:11:00 -0800 Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement I think TapTapSee is using some derivative of crowd sourcing to determine objects and other photo content. When experimenting with this app I noticed there weren't actual specifics given, just an overall description of the object. Furthermore, the information sent back to me was not consistent. In Tom's case below, I'm assuming a sighted person on the other end was able to read the billboard and convey the sign's content. Whatever you do, I say you make sure you do not send pictures of personal information such as mail and such which can be used to identify you. By the way, on initial installation I disabled location tracking and the app works just fine. LS - Original Message - From: Thom thom3...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 5:00 AM Subject: RE: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement Hi Grant, Cara, and others, Do you suppose that it uses the location tracking to help identify where you are? The other day, I was sitting in a car, in a parking lot of a store. I took a picture out the window, and tap tap see came back with Big Lots Parking lot. Big lot's is the name of the store. I was thinking that it may have seen the big lots sign or logo. But after reading this, maybe it uses the location tracking information, seeing that I was at Big Lots. So, would we lose some of it's functionality by turning off location tracking? Side note... Cara, you've been too quiet, I miss seeing your posts and smiles. Thom -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Hardy Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement I was just reading this today and was similarly surprised. One thing I would do right away is switch off location services for the app; I don't believe there's any advantage to you to leave them on. Actually, this is the case for a number of apps, including VizWiz. There's no tangible benefit to you to have location services on and in fact it probably has a small impact on battery life. Grant On 1/24/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: HI all, just downloaded Tap tap see and thought I'd share the privacy statement with the list. I've pasted the link and statement below. It does seem that this app is sending info out to be recognized. Just an FYI for those concerned. YOu can find the statement here: http://www.privacychoice.org/policy/mobile?policy=bcc6df12269895d 5e261 9c8cb30454a8 Smiles, Cara :) --- Privacy We only collect anonymous information. We may collect and share anonymous location data. You cannot request to see your personal data. We may keep data indefinitely. We don't share your personal data with other companies. You can ask privacy questions. We take steps to protect personal information Special situations may require disclosure of your data. You can review more privacy-related information. C 2011 --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com
RE: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement
Hi, I decided to uninstall and then install the app again in order not to select location services on. It appears to me that the responses are somewhat slower than when the location services was turned on. However, I rather put up with the slower responsiveness, if it protects me. Has others seen a difference in the response rate when location services is turned off. I am just curious, as I can live with it. Thanks. Eileen -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Vicky Collins Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement Looks like you may be right. They have a twitter account which I found at: https://mobile.twitter.com/taptapsee And, if one reads through the tweets there, they indicate a combination of database algorithm and crowdsourcing being used. - Original Message - From: Lauren Simmons simmonslaure...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:11:00 -0800 Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement I think TapTapSee is using some derivative of crowd sourcing to determine objects and other photo content. When experimenting with this app I noticed there weren't actual specifics given, just an overall description of the object. Furthermore, the information sent back to me was not consistent. In Tom's case below, I'm assuming a sighted person on the other end was able to read the billboard and convey the sign's content. Whatever you do, I say you make sure you do not send pictures of personal information such as mail and such which can be used to identify you. By the way, on initial installation I disabled location tracking and the app works just fine. LS - Original Message - From: Thom thom3...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 5:00 AM Subject: RE: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement Hi Grant, Cara, and others, Do you suppose that it uses the location tracking to help identify where you are? The other day, I was sitting in a car, in a parking lot of a store. I took a picture out the window, and tap tap see came back with Big Lots Parking lot. Big lot's is the name of the store. I was thinking that it may have seen the big lots sign or logo. But after reading this, maybe it uses the location tracking information, seeing that I was at Big Lots. So, would we lose some of it's functionality by turning off location tracking? Side note... Cara, you've been too quiet, I miss seeing your posts and smiles. Thom -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Hardy Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement I was just reading this today and was similarly surprised. One thing I would do right away is switch off location services for the app; I don't believe there's any advantage to you to leave them on. Actually, this is the case for a number of apps, including VizWiz. There's no tangible benefit to you to have location services on and in fact it probably has a small impact on battery life. Grant On 1/24/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: HI all, just downloaded Tap tap see and thought I'd share the privacy statement with the list. I've pasted the link and statement below. It does seem that this app is sending info out to be recognized. Just an FYI for those concerned. YOu can find the statement here: http://www.privacychoice.org/policy/mobile?policy=bcc6df12269895d 5e261 9c8cb30454a8 Smiles, Cara :) --- Privacy We only collect anonymous information. We may collect and share anonymous location data. You cannot request to see your personal data. We may keep data indefinitely. We don't share your personal data with other companies. You can ask privacy questions. We take steps to protect personal information Special situations may require disclosure of your data. You can review more privacy-related information. C 2011 --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone
Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement
Since the app uses crowd sourcing at least in part to provide responses, there likely will be some answers that take longer anyway. I doubt that they would prioritize people who leave location services on, but of course it's possible. I wouldn't worry too much about leaving location services on from a security standpoint. The data is likely anonymized and used for purposes like analytics. I just tend to turn location services off where there is no tangible benefit to the user, and in the case of Tap Tap See I don't believe there is. Grant On 2013-01-27, at 4:04 PM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I decided to uninstall and then install the app again in order not to select location services on. It appears to me that the responses are somewhat slower than when the location services was turned on. However, I rather put up with the slower responsiveness, if it protects me. Has others seen a difference in the response rate when location services is turned off. I am just curious, as I can live with it. Thanks. Eileen -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Vicky Collins Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement Looks like you may be right. They have a twitter account which I found at: https://mobile.twitter.com/taptapsee And, if one reads through the tweets there, they indicate a combination of database algorithm and crowdsourcing being used. - Original Message - From: Lauren Simmons simmonslaure...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:11:00 -0800 Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement I think TapTapSee is using some derivative of crowd sourcing to determine objects and other photo content. When experimenting with this app I noticed there weren't actual specifics given, just an overall description of the object. Furthermore, the information sent back to me was not consistent. In Tom's case below, I'm assuming a sighted person on the other end was able to read the billboard and convey the sign's content. Whatever you do, I say you make sure you do not send pictures of personal information such as mail and such which can be used to identify you. By the way, on initial installation I disabled location tracking and the app works just fine. LS - Original Message - From: Thom thom3...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 5:00 AM Subject: RE: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement Hi Grant, Cara, and others, Do you suppose that it uses the location tracking to help identify where you are? The other day, I was sitting in a car, in a parking lot of a store. I took a picture out the window, and tap tap see came back with Big Lots Parking lot. Big lot's is the name of the store. I was thinking that it may have seen the big lots sign or logo. But after reading this, maybe it uses the location tracking information, seeing that I was at Big Lots. So, would we lose some of it's functionality by turning off location tracking? Side note... Cara, you've been too quiet, I miss seeing your posts and smiles. Thom -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Hardy Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement I was just reading this today and was similarly surprised. One thing I would do right away is switch off location services for the app; I don't believe there's any advantage to you to leave them on. Actually, this is the case for a number of apps, including VizWiz. There's no tangible benefit to you to have location services on and in fact it probably has a small impact on battery life. Grant On 1/24/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: HI all, just downloaded Tap tap see and thought I'd share the privacy statement with the list. I've pasted the link and statement below. It does seem that this app is sending info out to be recognized. Just an FYI for those concerned. YOu can find the statement here: http://www.privacychoice.org/policy/mobile?policy=bcc6df12269895d 5e261 9c8cb30454a8 Smiles, Cara :) --- Privacy We only collect anonymous information. We may collect and share anonymous location data. You cannot request to see your personal data. We may keep data indefinitely. We don't share your personal data with other companies. You can ask privacy questions. We take steps to protect personal information Special situations may require disclosure of your data. You can review more privacy-related information. C 2011 --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara -- You received
Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement
Ah, so location services is most likely used to tell the servers how to route your picture and response. This is probably also the case with similar apps. Server routing can make a difference of several seconds. Increase the distance and number of routing points increases time delays. Knowing your general location (city, state, country) allows routing routines to be most efficient. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/01/2013, at 13:04, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I decided to uninstall and then install the app again in order not to select location services on. It appears to me that the responses are somewhat slower than when the location services was turned on. However, I rather put up with the slower responsiveness, if it protects me. Has others seen a difference in the response rate when location services is turned off. I am just curious, as I can live with it. Thanks. Eileen -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Vicky Collins Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement Looks like you may be right. They have a twitter account which I found at: https://mobile.twitter.com/taptapsee And, if one reads through the tweets there, they indicate a combination of database algorithm and crowdsourcing being used. - Original Message - From: Lauren Simmons simmonslaure...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:11:00 -0800 Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement I think TapTapSee is using some derivative of crowd sourcing to determine objects and other photo content. When experimenting with this app I noticed there weren't actual specifics given, just an overall description of the object. Furthermore, the information sent back to me was not consistent. In Tom's case below, I'm assuming a sighted person on the other end was able to read the billboard and convey the sign's content. Whatever you do, I say you make sure you do not send pictures of personal information such as mail and such which can be used to identify you. By the way, on initial installation I disabled location tracking and the app works just fine. LS - Original Message - From: Thom thom3...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 5:00 AM Subject: RE: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement Hi Grant, Cara, and others, Do you suppose that it uses the location tracking to help identify where you are? The other day, I was sitting in a car, in a parking lot of a store. I took a picture out the window, and tap tap see came back with Big Lots Parking lot. Big lot's is the name of the store. I was thinking that it may have seen the big lots sign or logo. But after reading this, maybe it uses the location tracking information, seeing that I was at Big Lots. So, would we lose some of it's functionality by turning off location tracking? Side note... Cara, you've been too quiet, I miss seeing your posts and smiles. Thom -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Hardy Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement I was just reading this today and was similarly surprised. One thing I would do right away is switch off location services for the app; I don't believe there's any advantage to you to leave them on. Actually, this is the case for a number of apps, including VizWiz. There's no tangible benefit to you to have location services on and in fact it probably has a small impact on battery life. Grant On 1/24/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: HI all, just downloaded Tap tap see and thought I'd share the privacy statement with the list. I've pasted the link and statement below. It does seem that this app is sending info out to be recognized. Just an FYI for those concerned. YOu can find the statement here: http://www.privacychoice.org/policy/mobile?policy=bcc6df12269895d 5e261 9c8cb30454a8 Smiles, Cara :) --- Privacy We only collect anonymous information. We may collect and share anonymous location data. You cannot request to see your personal data. We may keep data indefinitely. We don't share your personal data with other companies. You can ask privacy questions. We take steps to protect personal information Special situations may require disclosure of your data. You can review more privacy-related information. C 2011 --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group
Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement
Could you elaborate on this, David? Sounds interesting but I can't imagine a plethora of algorithms would exist just to help route a picture over the internet slightly more efficiently depending on where you are. It seems more likely to me that location services are used for analytics, but I'm open and interested for you to elaborate on your message. A picture would be a tiny chunk of data and I'm not aware of any apps, even dat,-intensive ones, that use your location to slightly tweak data reliability. I mean, I guess maybe Tap Tap See could route to specific servers, but do you really think they do that? Grant On 2013-01-27, at 4:49 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, so location services is most likely used to tell the servers how to route your picture and response. This is probably also the case with similar apps. Server routing can make a difference of several seconds. Increase the distance and number of routing points increases time delays. Knowing your general location (city, state, country) allows routing routines to be most efficient. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/01/2013, at 13:04, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I decided to uninstall and then install the app again in order not to select location services on. It appears to me that the responses are somewhat slower than when the location services was turned on. However, I rather put up with the slower responsiveness, if it protects me. Has others seen a difference in the response rate when location services is turned off. I am just curious, as I can live with it. Thanks. Eileen -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Vicky Collins Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement Looks like you may be right. They have a twitter account which I found at: https://mobile.twitter.com/taptapsee And, if one reads through the tweets there, they indicate a combination of database algorithm and crowdsourcing being used. - Original Message - From: Lauren Simmons simmonslaure...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:11:00 -0800 Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement I think TapTapSee is using some derivative of crowd sourcing to determine objects and other photo content. When experimenting with this app I noticed there weren't actual specifics given, just an overall description of the object. Furthermore, the information sent back to me was not consistent. In Tom's case below, I'm assuming a sighted person on the other end was able to read the billboard and convey the sign's content. Whatever you do, I say you make sure you do not send pictures of personal information such as mail and such which can be used to identify you. By the way, on initial installation I disabled location tracking and the app works just fine. LS - Original Message - From: Thom thom3...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 5:00 AM Subject: RE: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement Hi Grant, Cara, and others, Do you suppose that it uses the location tracking to help identify where you are? The other day, I was sitting in a car, in a parking lot of a store. I took a picture out the window, and tap tap see came back with Big Lots Parking lot. Big lot's is the name of the store. I was thinking that it may have seen the big lots sign or logo. But after reading this, maybe it uses the location tracking information, seeing that I was at Big Lots. So, would we lose some of it's functionality by turning off location tracking? Side note... Cara, you've been too quiet, I miss seeing your posts and smiles. Thom -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Hardy Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement I was just reading this today and was similarly surprised. One thing I would do right away is switch off location services for the app; I don't believe there's any advantage to you to leave them on. Actually, this is the case for a number of apps, including VizWiz. There's no tangible benefit to you to have location services on and in fact it probably has a small impact on battery life. Grant On 1/24/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: HI all, just downloaded Tap tap see and thought I'd share the privacy statement with the list. I've pasted the link and statement below. It does seem that this app is sending info out to be recognized. Just an FYI for those concerned. YOu can find the statement here: http://www.privacychoice.org/policy/mobile?policy
Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement
Eileen and list, I noticed that every answer takes a slightly different amount of time to arrive, but I did not find any difference whether location services were on or not. I noticed that the app continued to monitor my location even after taking the picture, getting the answer and switching away from the app. I'm sure it would eventually stop using it, though. Perhaps we should see whether the developer can provide more information on this. Grant On 2013-01-27, at 4:04 PM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I decided to uninstall and then install the app again in order not to select location services on. It appears to me that the responses are somewhat slower than when the location services was turned on. However, I rather put up with the slower responsiveness, if it protects me. Has others seen a difference in the response rate when location services is turned off. I am just curious, as I can live with it. Thanks. Eileen -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Vicky Collins Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement Looks like you may be right. They have a twitter account which I found at: https://mobile.twitter.com/taptapsee And, if one reads through the tweets there, they indicate a combination of database algorithm and crowdsourcing being used. - Original Message - From: Lauren Simmons simmonslaure...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:11:00 -0800 Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement I think TapTapSee is using some derivative of crowd sourcing to determine objects and other photo content. When experimenting with this app I noticed there weren't actual specifics given, just an overall description of the object. Furthermore, the information sent back to me was not consistent. In Tom's case below, I'm assuming a sighted person on the other end was able to read the billboard and convey the sign's content. Whatever you do, I say you make sure you do not send pictures of personal information such as mail and such which can be used to identify you. By the way, on initial installation I disabled location tracking and the app works just fine. LS - Original Message - From: Thom thom3...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 5:00 AM Subject: RE: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement Hi Grant, Cara, and others, Do you suppose that it uses the location tracking to help identify where you are? The other day, I was sitting in a car, in a parking lot of a store. I took a picture out the window, and tap tap see came back with Big Lots Parking lot. Big lot's is the name of the store. I was thinking that it may have seen the big lots sign or logo. But after reading this, maybe it uses the location tracking information, seeing that I was at Big Lots. So, would we lose some of it's functionality by turning off location tracking? Side note... Cara, you've been too quiet, I miss seeing your posts and smiles. Thom -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Hardy Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement I was just reading this today and was similarly surprised. One thing I would do right away is switch off location services for the app; I don't believe there's any advantage to you to leave them on. Actually, this is the case for a number of apps, including VizWiz. There's no tangible benefit to you to have location services on and in fact it probably has a small impact on battery life. Grant On 1/24/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: HI all, just downloaded Tap tap see and thought I'd share the privacy statement with the list. I've pasted the link and statement below. It does seem that this app is sending info out to be recognized. Just an FYI for those concerned. YOu can find the statement here: http://www.privacychoice.org/policy/mobile?policy=bcc6df12269895d 5e261 9c8cb30454a8 Smiles, Cara :) --- Privacy We only collect anonymous information. We may collect and share anonymous location data. You cannot request to see your personal data. We may keep data indefinitely. We don't share your personal data with other companies. You can ask privacy questions. We take steps to protect personal information Special situations may require disclosure of your data. You can review more privacy-related information. C 2011 --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone
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Yes, routing to specific servers is entirely possible when location is known. For instance, I am in New Zealand. Using a server in Australia is much better than using a server in the US. If on the west coast of the US, there are lag differences between the west coast and the east coast. I don't know much about it, but a cousin who works in multinational corporate networking told me a while ago that data flow routing and analytics is one of the larger pieces of his job. A picture is anywhere from a few hundred KB to a few MB in size, so data routing can become important, if you want to minimise delays anyway. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/01/2013, at 13:55, Grant Hardy grantha...@gmail.com wrote: Could you elaborate on this, David? Sounds interesting but I can't imagine a plethora of algorithms would exist just to help route a picture over the internet slightly more efficiently depending on where you are. It seems more likely to me that location services are used for analytics, but I'm open and interested for you to elaborate on your message. A picture would be a tiny chunk of data and I'm not aware of any apps, even dat,-intensive ones, that use your location to slightly tweak data reliability. I mean, I guess maybe Tap Tap See could route to specific servers, but do you really think they do that? Grant On 2013-01-27, at 4:49 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, so location services is most likely used to tell the servers how to route your picture and response. This is probably also the case with similar apps. Server routing can make a difference of several seconds. Increase the distance and number of routing points increases time delays. Knowing your general location (city, state, country) allows routing routines to be most efficient. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/01/2013, at 13:04, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I decided to uninstall and then install the app again in order not to select location services on. It appears to me that the responses are somewhat slower than when the location services was turned on. However, I rather put up with the slower responsiveness, if it protects me. Has others seen a difference in the response rate when location services is turned off. I am just curious, as I can live with it. Thanks. Eileen -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Vicky Collins Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement Looks like you may be right. They have a twitter account which I found at: https://mobile.twitter.com/taptapsee And, if one reads through the tweets there, they indicate a combination of database algorithm and crowdsourcing being used. - Original Message - From: Lauren Simmons simmonslaure...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:11:00 -0800 Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement I think TapTapSee is using some derivative of crowd sourcing to determine objects and other photo content. When experimenting with this app I noticed there weren't actual specifics given, just an overall description of the object. Furthermore, the information sent back to me was not consistent. In Tom's case below, I'm assuming a sighted person on the other end was able to read the billboard and convey the sign's content. Whatever you do, I say you make sure you do not send pictures of personal information such as mail and such which can be used to identify you. By the way, on initial installation I disabled location tracking and the app works just fine. LS - Original Message - From: Thom thom3...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 5:00 AM Subject: RE: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement Hi Grant, Cara, and others, Do you suppose that it uses the location tracking to help identify where you are? The other day, I was sitting in a car, in a parking lot of a store. I took a picture out the window, and tap tap see came back with Big Lots Parking lot. Big lot's is the name of the store. I was thinking that it may have seen the big lots sign or logo. But after reading this, maybe it uses the location tracking information, seeing that I was at Big Lots. So, would we lose some of it's functionality by turning off location tracking? Side note... Cara, you've been too quiet, I miss seeing your posts and smiles. Thom -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Hardy Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement I was just
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Since crowd sourcing is being used, I wonder if location services is being used to direct images to people in the same area or let people know where the request is coming from. This might be useful when different terms are used for the same object in different countries or regions. Just guessing. On 27/01/13 18:35, Grant Hardy wrote: Since the app uses crowd sourcing at least in part to provide responses, there likely will be some answers that take longer anyway. I doubt that they would prioritize people who leave location services on, but of course it's possible. I wouldn't worry too much about leaving location services on from a security standpoint. The data is likely anonymized and used for purposes like analytics. I just tend to turn location services off where there is no tangible benefit to the user, and in the case of Tap Tap See I don't believe there is. Grant On 2013-01-27, at 4:04 PM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I decided to uninstall and then install the app again in order not to select location services on. It appears to me that the responses are somewhat slower than when the location services was turned on. However, I rather put up with the slower responsiveness, if it protects me. Has others seen a difference in the response rate when location services is turned off. I am just curious, as I can live with it. Thanks. Eileen -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Vicky Collins Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement Looks like you may be right. They have a twitter account which I found at: https://mobile.twitter.com/taptapsee And, if one reads through the tweets there, they indicate a combination of database algorithm and crowdsourcing being used. - Original Message - From: Lauren Simmons simmonslaure...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:11:00 -0800 Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement I think TapTapSee is using some derivative of crowd sourcing to determine objects and other photo content. When experimenting with this app I noticed there weren't actual specifics given, just an overall description of the object. Furthermore, the information sent back to me was not consistent. In Tom's case below, I'm assuming a sighted person on the other end was able to read the billboard and convey the sign's content. Whatever you do, I say you make sure you do not send pictures of personal information such as mail and such which can be used to identify you. By the way, on initial installation I disabled location tracking and the app works just fine. LS - Original Message - From: Thom thom3...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 5:00 AM Subject: RE: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement Hi Grant, Cara, and others, Do you suppose that it uses the location tracking to help identify where you are? The other day, I was sitting in a car, in a parking lot of a store. I took a picture out the window, and tap tap see came back with Big Lots Parking lot. Big lot's is the name of the store. I was thinking that it may have seen the big lots sign or logo. But after reading this, maybe it uses the location tracking information, seeing that I was at Big Lots. So, would we lose some of it's functionality by turning off location tracking? Side note... Cara, you've been too quiet, I miss seeing your posts and smiles. Thom -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Hardy Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement I was just reading this today and was similarly surprised. One thing I would do right away is switch off location services for the app; I don't believe there's any advantage to you to leave them on. Actually, this is the case for a number of apps, including VizWiz. There's no tangible benefit to you to have location services on and in fact it probably has a small impact on battery life. Grant On 1/24/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: HI all, just downloaded Tap tap see and thought I'd share the privacy statement with the list. I've pasted the link and statement below. It does seem that this app is sending info out to be recognized. Just an FYI for those concerned. YOu can find the statement here: http://www.privacychoice.org/policy/mobile?policy=bcc6df12269895d 5e261 9c8cb30454a8 Smiles, Cara :) --- Privacy We only collect anonymous information. We may collect and share anonymous location data. You cannot request to see your personal data. We may keep data indefinitely. We don't share your personal data with other companies. You can ask privacy questions
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I completely agree that this is possible, I'm just wondering whether an app like this, aimed at a relatively small audience and dealing with fairly small chunks of data, likely receiving crowd sourced answers from many different places, would go to the trouble of setting up location-based routing rules and routing data accordingly. Of course, it's possible and we could likely find out by monitoring the traffic that leaves our networks and then comparing them. Anyway, an interesting insight. Grant On 2013-01-27, at 5:09 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, routing to specific servers is entirely possible when location is known. For instance, I am in New Zealand. Using a server in Australia is much better than using a server in the US. If on the west coast of the US, there are lag differences between the west coast and the east coast. I don't know much about it, but a cousin who works in multinational corporate networking told me a while ago that data flow routing and analytics is one of the larger pieces of his job. A picture is anywhere from a few hundred KB to a few MB in size, so data routing can become important, if you want to minimise delays anyway. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/01/2013, at 13:55, Grant Hardy grantha...@gmail.com wrote: Could you elaborate on this, David? Sounds interesting but I can't imagine a plethora of algorithms would exist just to help route a picture over the internet slightly more efficiently depending on where you are. It seems more likely to me that location services are used for analytics, but I'm open and interested for you to elaborate on your message. A picture would be a tiny chunk of data and I'm not aware of any apps, even dat,-intensive ones, that use your location to slightly tweak data reliability. I mean, I guess maybe Tap Tap See could route to specific servers, but do you really think they do that? Grant On 2013-01-27, at 4:49 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, so location services is most likely used to tell the servers how to route your picture and response. This is probably also the case with similar apps. Server routing can make a difference of several seconds. Increase the distance and number of routing points increases time delays. Knowing your general location (city, state, country) allows routing routines to be most efficient. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/01/2013, at 13:04, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I decided to uninstall and then install the app again in order not to select location services on. It appears to me that the responses are somewhat slower than when the location services was turned on. However, I rather put up with the slower responsiveness, if it protects me. Has others seen a difference in the response rate when location services is turned off. I am just curious, as I can live with it. Thanks. Eileen -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Vicky Collins Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement Looks like you may be right. They have a twitter account which I found at: https://mobile.twitter.com/taptapsee And, if one reads through the tweets there, they indicate a combination of database algorithm and crowdsourcing being used. - Original Message - From: Lauren Simmons simmonslaure...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:11:00 -0800 Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement I think TapTapSee is using some derivative of crowd sourcing to determine objects and other photo content. When experimenting with this app I noticed there weren't actual specifics given, just an overall description of the object. Furthermore, the information sent back to me was not consistent. In Tom's case below, I'm assuming a sighted person on the other end was able to read the billboard and convey the sign's content. Whatever you do, I say you make sure you do not send pictures of personal information such as mail and such which can be used to identify you. By the way, on initial installation I disabled location tracking and the app works just fine. LS - Original Message - From: Thom thom3...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 5:00 AM Subject: RE: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement Hi Grant, Cara, and others, Do you suppose that it uses the location tracking to help identify where you are? The other day, I was sitting in a car, in a parking lot of a store. I took a picture out the window, and tap tap see came back with Big Lots Parking lot. Big lot's is the name
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Sorry, I meant monitor router logs to see which addresses the app is using, not monitoring traffic data itself. Grant On 2013-01-27, at 5:16 PM, Grant Hardy grantha...@gmail.com wrote: I completely agree that this is possible, I'm just wondering whether an app like this, aimed at a relatively small audience and dealing with fairly small chunks of data, likely receiving crowd sourced answers from many different places, would go to the trouble of setting up location-based routing rules and routing data accordingly. Of course, it's possible and we could likely find out by monitoring the traffic that leaves our networks and then comparing them. Anyway, an interesting insight. Grant On 2013-01-27, at 5:09 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, routing to specific servers is entirely possible when location is known. For instance, I am in New Zealand. Using a server in Australia is much better than using a server in the US. If on the west coast of the US, there are lag differences between the west coast and the east coast. I don't know much about it, but a cousin who works in multinational corporate networking told me a while ago that data flow routing and analytics is one of the larger pieces of his job. A picture is anywhere from a few hundred KB to a few MB in size, so data routing can become important, if you want to minimise delays anyway. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/01/2013, at 13:55, Grant Hardy grantha...@gmail.com wrote: Could you elaborate on this, David? Sounds interesting but I can't imagine a plethora of algorithms would exist just to help route a picture over the internet slightly more efficiently depending on where you are. It seems more likely to me that location services are used for analytics, but I'm open and interested for you to elaborate on your message. A picture would be a tiny chunk of data and I'm not aware of any apps, even dat,-intensive ones, that use your location to slightly tweak data reliability. I mean, I guess maybe Tap Tap See could route to specific servers, but do you really think they do that? Grant On 2013-01-27, at 4:49 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, so location services is most likely used to tell the servers how to route your picture and response. This is probably also the case with similar apps. Server routing can make a difference of several seconds. Increase the distance and number of routing points increases time delays. Knowing your general location (city, state, country) allows routing routines to be most efficient. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/01/2013, at 13:04, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I decided to uninstall and then install the app again in order not to select location services on. It appears to me that the responses are somewhat slower than when the location services was turned on. However, I rather put up with the slower responsiveness, if it protects me. Has others seen a difference in the response rate when location services is turned off. I am just curious, as I can live with it. Thanks. Eileen -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Vicky Collins Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement Looks like you may be right. They have a twitter account which I found at: https://mobile.twitter.com/taptapsee And, if one reads through the tweets there, they indicate a combination of database algorithm and crowdsourcing being used. - Original Message - From: Lauren Simmons simmonslaure...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:11:00 -0800 Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement I think TapTapSee is using some derivative of crowd sourcing to determine objects and other photo content. When experimenting with this app I noticed there weren't actual specifics given, just an overall description of the object. Furthermore, the information sent back to me was not consistent. In Tom's case below, I'm assuming a sighted person on the other end was able to read the billboard and convey the sign's content. Whatever you do, I say you make sure you do not send pictures of personal information such as mail and such which can be used to identify you. By the way, on initial installation I disabled location tracking and the app works just fine. LS - Original Message - From: Thom thom3...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 5:00 AM Subject: RE: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement Hi Grant, Cara, and others, Do you suppose that it uses the location tracking to help
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HI. I use four square and stuff anyway, so location services doesn't really bother me all that much. I'm so much out there on the Internet, that if anyone wanted me bad enough they would probably be able to find me. Maria Sent from my iPad On 28/01/2013, at 11:04 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I decided to uninstall and then install the app again in order not to select location services on. It appears to me that the responses are somewhat slower than when the location services was turned on. However, I rather put up with the slower responsiveness, if it protects me. Has others seen a difference in the response rate when location services is turned off. I am just curious, as I can live with it. Thanks. Eileen -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Vicky Collins Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement Looks like you may be right. They have a twitter account which I found at: https://mobile.twitter.com/taptapsee And, if one reads through the tweets there, they indicate a combination of database algorithm and crowdsourcing being used. - Original Message - From: Lauren Simmons simmonslaure...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:11:00 -0800 Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement I think TapTapSee is using some derivative of crowd sourcing to determine objects and other photo content. When experimenting with this app I noticed there weren't actual specifics given, just an overall description of the object. Furthermore, the information sent back to me was not consistent. In Tom's case below, I'm assuming a sighted person on the other end was able to read the billboard and convey the sign's content. Whatever you do, I say you make sure you do not send pictures of personal information such as mail and such which can be used to identify you. By the way, on initial installation I disabled location tracking and the app works just fine. LS - Original Message - From: Thom thom3...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 5:00 AM Subject: RE: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement Hi Grant, Cara, and others, Do you suppose that it uses the location tracking to help identify where you are? The other day, I was sitting in a car, in a parking lot of a store. I took a picture out the window, and tap tap see came back with Big Lots Parking lot. Big lot's is the name of the store. I was thinking that it may have seen the big lots sign or logo. But after reading this, maybe it uses the location tracking information, seeing that I was at Big Lots. So, would we lose some of it's functionality by turning off location tracking? Side note... Cara, you've been too quiet, I miss seeing your posts and smiles. Thom -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Hardy Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement I was just reading this today and was similarly surprised. One thing I would do right away is switch off location services for the app; I don't believe there's any advantage to you to leave them on. Actually, this is the case for a number of apps, including VizWiz. There's no tangible benefit to you to have location services on and in fact it probably has a small impact on battery life. Grant On 1/24/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: HI all, just downloaded Tap tap see and thought I'd share the privacy statement with the list. I've pasted the link and statement below. It does seem that this app is sending info out to be recognized. Just an FYI for those concerned. YOu can find the statement here: http://www.privacychoice.org/policy/mobile?policy=bcc6df12269895d 5e261 9c8cb30454a8 Smiles, Cara :) --- Privacy We only collect anonymous information. We may collect and share anonymous location data. You cannot request to see your personal data. We may keep data indefinitely. We don't share your personal data with other companies. You can ask privacy questions. We take steps to protect personal information Special situations may require disclosure of your data. You can review more privacy-related information. C 2011 --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr
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Hi David and Grant, If I am processing all that both have written, the privacy issue should really not be an issue. As I use the app more, I will see it having location services turned off continues to slow the responses that I will turn this feature back on. Mary had a good point that it someone wanted to find me, there's enough stuff out there on me. Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2013, at 6:47 PM, Maria And Joe bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. I use four square and stuff anyway, so location services doesn't really bother me all that much. I'm so much out there on the Internet, that if anyone wanted me bad enough they would probably be able to find me. Maria Sent from my iPad On 28/01/2013, at 11:04 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I decided to uninstall and then install the app again in order not to select location services on. It appears to me that the responses are somewhat slower than when the location services was turned on. However, I rather put up with the slower responsiveness, if it protects me. Has others seen a difference in the response rate when location services is turned off. I am just curious, as I can live with it. Thanks. Eileen -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Vicky Collins Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement Looks like you may be right. They have a twitter account which I found at: https://mobile.twitter.com/taptapsee And, if one reads through the tweets there, they indicate a combination of database algorithm and crowdsourcing being used. - Original Message - From: Lauren Simmons simmonslaure...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:11:00 -0800 Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement I think TapTapSee is using some derivative of crowd sourcing to determine objects and other photo content. When experimenting with this app I noticed there weren't actual specifics given, just an overall description of the object. Furthermore, the information sent back to me was not consistent. In Tom's case below, I'm assuming a sighted person on the other end was able to read the billboard and convey the sign's content. Whatever you do, I say you make sure you do not send pictures of personal information such as mail and such which can be used to identify you. By the way, on initial installation I disabled location tracking and the app works just fine. LS - Original Message - From: Thom thom3...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 5:00 AM Subject: RE: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement Hi Grant, Cara, and others, Do you suppose that it uses the location tracking to help identify where you are? The other day, I was sitting in a car, in a parking lot of a store. I took a picture out the window, and tap tap see came back with Big Lots Parking lot. Big lot's is the name of the store. I was thinking that it may have seen the big lots sign or logo. But after reading this, maybe it uses the location tracking information, seeing that I was at Big Lots. So, would we lose some of it's functionality by turning off location tracking? Side note... Cara, you've been too quiet, I miss seeing your posts and smiles. Thom -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Hardy Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement I was just reading this today and was similarly surprised. One thing I would do right away is switch off location services for the app; I don't believe there's any advantage to you to leave them on. Actually, this is the case for a number of apps, including VizWiz. There's no tangible benefit to you to have location services on and in fact it probably has a small impact on battery life. Grant On 1/24/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: HI all, just downloaded Tap tap see and thought I'd share the privacy statement with the list. I've pasted the link and statement below. It does seem that this app is sending info out to be recognized. Just an FYI for those concerned. YOu can find the statement here: http://www.privacychoice.org/policy/mobile?policy=bcc6df12269895d 5e261 9c8cb30454a8 Smiles, Cara :) --- Privacy We only collect anonymous information. We may collect and share anonymous location data. You cannot request to see your personal data. We may keep data indefinitely. We don't share your personal data with other companies. You can ask privacy questions. We take steps to protect personal information Special situations may require disclosure of your data. You can review more privacy-related information. C
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Absolutely. I would not worry much if at all about the privacy implications. Really, where there is no tangible benefit to having location services on, I turn them off mainly to save a bit of battery life and because essentially location services were designed to provide some sort of benefit to the end user. That said, I've read some interesting theories about how Tap Tap See uses your location. It's not that I am discounting them, but I would just be surprised if they are really used in that way and the developer didn't mention that as a huge advantage of their app. But yes, not a big deal. On 1/27/13, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi David and Grant, If I am processing all that both have written, the privacy issue should really not be an issue. As I use the app more, I will see it having location services turned off continues to slow the responses that I will turn this feature back on. Mary had a good point that it someone wanted to find me, there's enough stuff out there on me. Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2013, at 6:47 PM, Maria And Joe bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. I use four square and stuff anyway, so location services doesn't really bother me all that much. I'm so much out there on the Internet, that if anyone wanted me bad enough they would probably be able to find me. Maria Sent from my iPad On 28/01/2013, at 11:04 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I decided to uninstall and then install the app again in order not to select location services on. It appears to me that the responses are somewhat slower than when the location services was turned on. However, I rather put up with the slower responsiveness, if it protects me. Has others seen a difference in the response rate when location services is turned off. I am just curious, as I can live with it. Thanks. Eileen -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Vicky Collins Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement Looks like you may be right. They have a twitter account which I found at: https://mobile.twitter.com/taptapsee And, if one reads through the tweets there, they indicate a combination of database algorithm and crowdsourcing being used. - Original Message - From: Lauren Simmons simmonslaure...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:11:00 -0800 Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement I think TapTapSee is using some derivative of crowd sourcing to determine objects and other photo content. When experimenting with this app I noticed there weren't actual specifics given, just an overall description of the object. Furthermore, the information sent back to me was not consistent. In Tom's case below, I'm assuming a sighted person on the other end was able to read the billboard and convey the sign's content. Whatever you do, I say you make sure you do not send pictures of personal information such as mail and such which can be used to identify you. By the way, on initial installation I disabled location tracking and the app works just fine. LS - Original Message - From: Thom thom3...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 5:00 AM Subject: RE: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement Hi Grant, Cara, and others, Do you suppose that it uses the location tracking to help identify where you are? The other day, I was sitting in a car, in a parking lot of a store. I took a picture out the window, and tap tap see came back with Big Lots Parking lot. Big lot's is the name of the store. I was thinking that it may have seen the big lots sign or logo. But after reading this, maybe it uses the location tracking information, seeing that I was at Big Lots. So, would we lose some of it's functionality by turning off location tracking? Side note... Cara, you've been too quiet, I miss seeing your posts and smiles. Thom -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Hardy Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement I was just reading this today and was similarly surprised. One thing I would do right away is switch off location services for the app; I don't believe there's any advantage to you to leave them on. Actually, this is the case for a number of apps, including VizWiz. There's no tangible benefit to you to have location services on and in fact it probably has a small impact on battery life. Grant On 1/24/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: HI all, just downloaded Tap tap see and thought I'd share the privacy statement with the list. I've pasted the link and statement below. It does seem that this app is sending
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Hi Grant. I only allow location services for apps that I'd actually use them for. I figure that apps which have no real need to have my location shouldn't have it. I start to wonder why an app which doesn't actually give the user any information related to their location, and probably has no way of making better use of the info I'm submiting, should even want access to said info. It would seem such data would only help to bog down servers, unless they plan to use that info somehow further down the road. I'm not saying the makers of Tap Tap See are doing this, but I'm sure there are apps that are. I may even let apps like that through if they were honest about why they wanted my location. But since they don't provide me with such information, I don't provide them with any either. (smiles). Scott On 1/25/13, Grant Hardy grantha...@gmail.com wrote: I was just reading this today and was similarly surprised. One thing I would do right away is switch off location services for the app; I don't believe there's any advantage to you to leave them on. Actually, this is the case for a number of apps, including VizWiz. There's no tangible benefit to you to have location services on and in fact it probably has a small impact on battery life. Grant On 1/24/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: HI all, just downloaded Tap tap see and thought I'd share the privacy statement with the list. I've pasted the link and statement below. It does seem that this app is sending info out to be recognized. Just an FYI for those concerned. YOu can find the statement here: http://www.privacychoice.org/policy/mobile?policy=bcc6df12269895d5e2619c8cb30454a8 Smiles, Cara :) --- Privacy We only collect anonymous information. We may collect and share anonymous location data. You cannot request to see your personal data. We may keep data indefinitely. We don't share your personal data with other companies. You can ask privacy questions. We take steps to protect personal information Special situations may require disclosure of your data. You can review more privacy-related information. © 2011 --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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Hi Grant, Cara, and others, Do you suppose that it uses the location tracking to help identify where you are? The other day, I was sitting in a car, in a parking lot of a store. I took a picture out the window, and tap tap see came back with Big Lots Parking lot. Big lot's is the name of the store. I was thinking that it may have seen the big lots sign or logo. But after reading this, maybe it uses the location tracking information, seeing that I was at Big Lots. So, would we lose some of it's functionality by turning off location tracking? Side note... Cara, you've been too quiet, I miss seeing your posts and smiles. Thom -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Hardy Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement I was just reading this today and was similarly surprised. One thing I would do right away is switch off location services for the app; I don't believe there's any advantage to you to leave them on. Actually, this is the case for a number of apps, including VizWiz. There's no tangible benefit to you to have location services on and in fact it probably has a small impact on battery life. Grant On 1/24/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: HI all, just downloaded Tap tap see and thought I'd share the privacy statement with the list. I've pasted the link and statement below. It does seem that this app is sending info out to be recognized. Just an FYI for those concerned. YOu can find the statement here: http://www.privacychoice.org/policy/mobile?policy=bcc6df12269895d5e261 9c8cb30454a8 Smiles, Cara :) --- Privacy We only collect anonymous information. We may collect and share anonymous location data. You cannot request to see your personal data. We may keep data indefinitely. We don't share your personal data with other companies. You can ask privacy questions. We take steps to protect personal information Special situations may require disclosure of your data. You can review more privacy-related information. C 2011 --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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Hi Tom, that's very possible and worth looking into. It definitely isn't how the app is marketed though; if they were able to combine location services and the images taken, I imagine it would be a huge selling point. I have a feeling the location services are simply used for analytic purposes, which is fine except that they're not really open about why they want to track your location. VizWiz doesn't offer any tangible benefit to getting your location but still wants it. As Scott pointed out, it would be a lot more reassuring if we were told why the developer wants our location. On 1/25/13, Thom thom3...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Grant, Cara, and others, Do you suppose that it uses the location tracking to help identify where you are? The other day, I was sitting in a car, in a parking lot of a store. I took a picture out the window, and tap tap see came back with Big Lots Parking lot. Big lot's is the name of the store. I was thinking that it may have seen the big lots sign or logo. But after reading this, maybe it uses the location tracking information, seeing that I was at Big Lots. So, would we lose some of it's functionality by turning off location tracking? Side note... Cara, you've been too quiet, I miss seeing your posts and smiles. Thom -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Hardy Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement I was just reading this today and was similarly surprised. One thing I would do right away is switch off location services for the app; I don't believe there's any advantage to you to leave them on. Actually, this is the case for a number of apps, including VizWiz. There's no tangible benefit to you to have location services on and in fact it probably has a small impact on battery life. Grant On 1/24/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: HI all, just downloaded Tap tap see and thought I'd share the privacy statement with the list. I've pasted the link and statement below. It does seem that this app is sending info out to be recognized. Just an FYI for those concerned. YOu can find the statement here: http://www.privacychoice.org/policy/mobile?policy=bcc6df12269895d5e261 9c8cb30454a8 Smiles, Cara :) --- Privacy We only collect anonymous information. We may collect and share anonymous location data. You cannot request to see your personal data. We may keep data indefinitely. We don't share your personal data with other companies. You can ask privacy questions. We take steps to protect personal information Special situations may require disclosure of your data. You can review more privacy-related information. C 2011 --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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I think TapTapSee is using some derivative of crowd sourcing to determine objects and other photo content. When experimenting with this app I noticed there weren't actual specifics given, just an overall description of the object. Furthermore, the information sent back to me was not consistent. In Tom's case below, I'm assuming a sighted person on the other end was able to read the billboard and convey the sign's content. Whatever you do, I say you make sure you do not send pictures of personal information such as mail and such which can be used to identify you. By the way, on initial installation I disabled location tracking and the app works just fine. LS - Original Message - From: Thom thom3...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 5:00 AM Subject: RE: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement Hi Grant, Cara, and others, Do you suppose that it uses the location tracking to help identify where you are? The other day, I was sitting in a car, in a parking lot of a store. I took a picture out the window, and tap tap see came back with Big Lots Parking lot. Big lot's is the name of the store. I was thinking that it may have seen the big lots sign or logo. But after reading this, maybe it uses the location tracking information, seeing that I was at Big Lots. So, would we lose some of it's functionality by turning off location tracking? Side note... Cara, you've been too quiet, I miss seeing your posts and smiles. Thom -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Hardy Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement I was just reading this today and was similarly surprised. One thing I would do right away is switch off location services for the app; I don't believe there's any advantage to you to leave them on. Actually, this is the case for a number of apps, including VizWiz. There's no tangible benefit to you to have location services on and in fact it probably has a small impact on battery life. Grant On 1/24/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: HI all, just downloaded Tap tap see and thought I'd share the privacy statement with the list. I've pasted the link and statement below. It does seem that this app is sending info out to be recognized. Just an FYI for those concerned. YOu can find the statement here: http://www.privacychoice.org/policy/mobile?policy=bcc6df12269895d5e261 9c8cb30454a8 Smiles, Cara :) --- Privacy We only collect anonymous information. We may collect and share anonymous location data. You cannot request to see your personal data. We may keep data indefinitely. We don't share your personal data with other companies. You can ask privacy questions. We take steps to protect personal information Special situations may require disclosure of your data. You can review more privacy-related information. C 2011 --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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I was just reading this today and was similarly surprised. One thing I would do right away is switch off location services for the app; I don't believe there's any advantage to you to leave them on. Actually, this is the case for a number of apps, including VizWiz. There's no tangible benefit to you to have location services on and in fact it probably has a small impact on battery life. Grant On 1/24/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: HI all, just downloaded Tap tap see and thought I'd share the privacy statement with the list. I've pasted the link and statement below. It does seem that this app is sending info out to be recognized. Just an FYI for those concerned. YOu can find the statement here: http://www.privacychoice.org/policy/mobile?policy=bcc6df12269895d5e2619c8cb30454a8 Smiles, Cara :) --- Privacy We only collect anonymous information. We may collect and share anonymous location data. You cannot request to see your personal data. We may keep data indefinitely. We don't share your personal data with other companies. You can ask privacy questions. We take steps to protect personal information Special situations may require disclosure of your data. You can review more privacy-related information. © 2011 --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
