Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
I'm getting a the beatle display soon and was looking at the manual. I noticed that there was no section on upgrading the firmware, will hims be releasing updated firmware or is what it ships with what you get? On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 10:13:54 AM UTC-4, Scott Davert wrote: HI Amy. Yes, it appears the bluetooth issues have been fixed and that you can now assign channels to specific devices. Yay. Scott On 8/25/15, Amy Ruell aru...@comcast.net javascript: wrote: Hi Scott and all, 1.31 has fixed the Bluetooth issues with iOS devices that were found in 1.3. Amy Sent from my iPhone On Aug 25, 2015, at 10:03 AM, Scott Davert scottsl...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Hi mary. There were some significant issues with version 1.3 related to bluetooth connectivity, but I have not tested 1.31 yet, which apparently resolves most of these issues. I know they have beta testers, I'm kind of surprised 1.3 hit at all with such issues. Anyway, I'll report back once I have had time to put the new firmware release through its paces. Scott On 8/24/15, Mary Otten mott...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Hi Scott, I am under the impression that the latest release of firmware for the Verio cleared up some of the issues that it had been having. What do you find frustrating with the current release as compared with other displays? Mary Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2015, at 8:25 AM, Scott Davert scottsl...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Hi all. I've had a Smart Beetle for the program I run for the past few weeks, and it's a bit like the VarioUltra in the sense that it still needs some work. Though with the current release of the VarioUltra firmware, there is more frustration in using a VU as opposed to the Beetle for me. The only things I have found to cut back on lag have nothing to do with the Smart Beetle specifically, but some VoiceOver settings that you can change. I wrote a guide you can find at: http://applevis.com/guides/accessories-bluetooth-braille-ios-ipad-iphone-ipod-touch-voiceover/3-ways-possibly-speed-your Scott On 8/22/15, 'carol.p...@googlemail.com javascript:' via VIPhone vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote: Haven't really tried 8-dot much but there's certainly a similar lag between transfer from the display's clipboard and the phone. Carol P - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch flor...@iol.ie javascript: To: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 2:00 AM Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display How does this issue fare - if it pertains - in eight-dot, or Computer, Braille? Does one still see the same time lag transferring between the display's clipboard, and the phone? -Original Message- From: Andrew Lamanche Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 9:36 PM To: VIPhone Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Hi Carol, I've written to one of the tech people at HIMS to let them know about the lag in writing and correcting text using Smart Beetle. I am not sure - nor do I hold my breath - whether they will take note of the problem. But I thought I'd let them know anyway because that's quite a point against buying their product which otherwise is very attractive. I will write to accessibility at Apple as I always do when I encounter the problem. I haven't done so so far because I wasn't sure whose patch it is. it's getting rather confusing who is responsible for what. Please keep my e-mail in your contacts and let me know what you've found out. And maybe if you wish, please send me your e-mail address for my records privately. I will keep in touch with respect to Smart Beetle. Best wishes Andrew On 15 Aug 2015, at 20:05, 'carol.p...@googlemail.com javascript:' via VIPhone vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote: Hi Andrew, Thanks so much for doing the test for me. I wasn't surprised by your results because we have Braille Sense machines here and had experienced this lag. There are two reasons why I wanted to add the Smart Beetle, partily because it's that much smaller for taking around and, secondly, because I was hoping the lag would have been solved by the introduction of the Beetle. However, all is not yet lost because I think there probably will soon be a new driver and, well, I'm just holding on and hoping that this will solve at least a good part of the lagging. I have mentioned this to the Accessability Team at access...@apple.com javascript: and I'd really advise you to do the same just as soon as you can. I'm also going to double check with HIMS that Apple
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
HI Amy. Yes, it appears the bluetooth issues have been fixed and that you can now assign channels to specific devices. Yay. Scott On 8/25/15, Amy Ruell aru...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Scott and all, 1.31 has fixed the Bluetooth issues with iOS devices that were found in 1.3. Amy Sent from my iPhone On Aug 25, 2015, at 10:03 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi mary. There were some significant issues with version 1.3 related to bluetooth connectivity, but I have not tested 1.31 yet, which apparently resolves most of these issues. I know they have beta testers, I'm kind of surprised 1.3 hit at all with such issues. Anyway, I'll report back once I have had time to put the new firmware release through its paces. Scott On 8/24/15, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Scott, I am under the impression that the latest release of firmware for the Verio cleared up some of the issues that it had been having. What do you find frustrating with the current release as compared with other displays? Mary Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2015, at 8:25 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. I've had a Smart Beetle for the program I run for the past few weeks, and it's a bit like the VarioUltra in the sense that it still needs some work. Though with the current release of the VarioUltra firmware, there is more frustration in using a VU as opposed to the Beetle for me. The only things I have found to cut back on lag have nothing to do with the Smart Beetle specifically, but some VoiceOver settings that you can change. I wrote a guide you can find at: http://applevis.com/guides/accessories-bluetooth-braille-ios-ipad-iphone-ipod-touch-voiceover/3-ways-possibly-speed-your Scott On 8/22/15, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Haven't really tried 8-dot much but there's certainly a similar lag between transfer from the display's clipboard and the phone. Carol P - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 2:00 AM Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display How does this issue fare - if it pertains - in eight-dot, or Computer, Braille? Does one still see the same time lag transferring between the display's clipboard, and the phone? -Original Message- From: Andrew Lamanche Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 9:36 PM To: VIPhone Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Hi Carol, I've written to one of the tech people at HIMS to let them know about the lag in writing and correcting text using Smart Beetle. I am not sure - nor do I hold my breath - whether they will take note of the problem. But I thought I'd let them know anyway because that's quite a point against buying their product which otherwise is very attractive. I will write to accessibility at Apple as I always do when I encounter the problem. I haven't done so so far because I wasn't sure whose patch it is. it's getting rather confusing who is responsible for what. Please keep my e-mail in your contacts and let me know what you've found out. And maybe if you wish, please send me your e-mail address for my records privately. I will keep in touch with respect to Smart Beetle. Best wishes Andrew On 15 Aug 2015, at 20:05, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi Andrew, Thanks so much for doing the test for me. I wasn't surprised by your results because we have Braille Sense machines here and had experienced this lag. There are two reasons why I wanted to add the Smart Beetle, partily because it's that much smaller for taking around and, secondly, because I was hoping the lag would have been solved by the introduction of the Beetle. However, all is not yet lost because I think there probably will soon be a new driver and, well, I'm just holding on and hoping that this will solve at least a good part of the lagging. I have mentioned this to the Accessability Team at accessibil...@apple.com and I'd really advise you to do the same just as soon as you can. I'm also going to double check with HIMS that Apple are supposed to do the driver and not HIMS themselves. If you're not a very fast Braillist then all may well not be lost for you, especially if you're prepared to make that cuppa whilst you wait for the translation. I feel fairly sure that the problem is the same whether you're copying from the clipboard or writing in real time, and it's a lag in translation, I think. However, I'm not the expert, so we'll just go on telling them all what we know and what's important to us. Smiles I will write to the Accessability Team again myself to highlight this issue, in view of the recent introduction of Smart Beetle and what I've gleaned so far, so then they can't be saying they didn't know
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
Hi mary. There were some significant issues with version 1.3 related to bluetooth connectivity, but I have not tested 1.31 yet, which apparently resolves most of these issues. I know they have beta testers, I'm kind of surprised 1.3 hit at all with such issues. Anyway, I'll report back once I have had time to put the new firmware release through its paces. Scott On 8/24/15, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Scott, I am under the impression that the latest release of firmware for the Verio cleared up some of the issues that it had been having. What do you find frustrating with the current release as compared with other displays? Mary Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2015, at 8:25 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. I've had a Smart Beetle for the program I run for the past few weeks, and it's a bit like the VarioUltra in the sense that it still needs some work. Though with the current release of the VarioUltra firmware, there is more frustration in using a VU as opposed to the Beetle for me. The only things I have found to cut back on lag have nothing to do with the Smart Beetle specifically, but some VoiceOver settings that you can change. I wrote a guide you can find at: http://applevis.com/guides/accessories-bluetooth-braille-ios-ipad-iphone-ipod-touch-voiceover/3-ways-possibly-speed-your Scott On 8/22/15, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Haven't really tried 8-dot much but there's certainly a similar lag between transfer from the display's clipboard and the phone. Carol P - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 2:00 AM Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display How does this issue fare - if it pertains - in eight-dot, or Computer, Braille? Does one still see the same time lag transferring between the display's clipboard, and the phone? -Original Message- From: Andrew Lamanche Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 9:36 PM To: VIPhone Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Hi Carol, I've written to one of the tech people at HIMS to let them know about the lag in writing and correcting text using Smart Beetle. I am not sure - nor do I hold my breath - whether they will take note of the problem. But I thought I'd let them know anyway because that's quite a point against buying their product which otherwise is very attractive. I will write to accessibility at Apple as I always do when I encounter the problem. I haven't done so so far because I wasn't sure whose patch it is. it's getting rather confusing who is responsible for what. Please keep my e-mail in your contacts and let me know what you've found out. And maybe if you wish, please send me your e-mail address for my records privately. I will keep in touch with respect to Smart Beetle. Best wishes Andrew On 15 Aug 2015, at 20:05, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi Andrew, Thanks so much for doing the test for me. I wasn't surprised by your results because we have Braille Sense machines here and had experienced this lag. There are two reasons why I wanted to add the Smart Beetle, partily because it's that much smaller for taking around and, secondly, because I was hoping the lag would have been solved by the introduction of the Beetle. However, all is not yet lost because I think there probably will soon be a new driver and, well, I'm just holding on and hoping that this will solve at least a good part of the lagging. I have mentioned this to the Accessability Team at accessibil...@apple.com and I'd really advise you to do the same just as soon as you can. I'm also going to double check with HIMS that Apple are supposed to do the driver and not HIMS themselves. If you're not a very fast Braillist then all may well not be lost for you, especially if you're prepared to make that cuppa whilst you wait for the translation. I feel fairly sure that the problem is the same whether you're copying from the clipboard or writing in real time, and it's a lag in translation, I think. However, I'm not the expert, so we'll just go on telling them all what we know and what's important to us. Smiles I will write to the Accessability Team again myself to highlight this issue, in view of the recent introduction of Smart Beetle and what I've gleaned so far, so then they can't be saying they didn't know all about it. . . .. By the way, if we're rather pushing this on list and it's preferred we take it off list then please, George or someone, tell us that this is the case. I know Jackie is interested, but would hate to bore everyone to death. Anyway, folks, please feel free to use that delete key! Smiles Please keep in touch with me with any developments, Andrew, and I'll do the same
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
Hi Scott and all, 1.31 has fixed the Bluetooth issues with iOS devices that were found in 1.3. Amy Sent from my iPhone On Aug 25, 2015, at 10:03 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi mary. There were some significant issues with version 1.3 related to bluetooth connectivity, but I have not tested 1.31 yet, which apparently resolves most of these issues. I know they have beta testers, I'm kind of surprised 1.3 hit at all with such issues. Anyway, I'll report back once I have had time to put the new firmware release through its paces. Scott On 8/24/15, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Scott, I am under the impression that the latest release of firmware for the Verio cleared up some of the issues that it had been having. What do you find frustrating with the current release as compared with other displays? Mary Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2015, at 8:25 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. I've had a Smart Beetle for the program I run for the past few weeks, and it's a bit like the VarioUltra in the sense that it still needs some work. Though with the current release of the VarioUltra firmware, there is more frustration in using a VU as opposed to the Beetle for me. The only things I have found to cut back on lag have nothing to do with the Smart Beetle specifically, but some VoiceOver settings that you can change. I wrote a guide you can find at: http://applevis.com/guides/accessories-bluetooth-braille-ios-ipad-iphone-ipod-touch-voiceover/3-ways-possibly-speed-your Scott On 8/22/15, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Haven't really tried 8-dot much but there's certainly a similar lag between transfer from the display's clipboard and the phone. Carol P - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 2:00 AM Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display How does this issue fare - if it pertains - in eight-dot, or Computer, Braille? Does one still see the same time lag transferring between the display's clipboard, and the phone? -Original Message- From: Andrew Lamanche Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 9:36 PM To: VIPhone Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Hi Carol, I've written to one of the tech people at HIMS to let them know about the lag in writing and correcting text using Smart Beetle. I am not sure - nor do I hold my breath - whether they will take note of the problem. But I thought I'd let them know anyway because that's quite a point against buying their product which otherwise is very attractive. I will write to accessibility at Apple as I always do when I encounter the problem. I haven't done so so far because I wasn't sure whose patch it is. it's getting rather confusing who is responsible for what. Please keep my e-mail in your contacts and let me know what you've found out. And maybe if you wish, please send me your e-mail address for my records privately. I will keep in touch with respect to Smart Beetle. Best wishes Andrew On 15 Aug 2015, at 20:05, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi Andrew, Thanks so much for doing the test for me. I wasn't surprised by your results because we have Braille Sense machines here and had experienced this lag. There are two reasons why I wanted to add the Smart Beetle, partily because it's that much smaller for taking around and, secondly, because I was hoping the lag would have been solved by the introduction of the Beetle. However, all is not yet lost because I think there probably will soon be a new driver and, well, I'm just holding on and hoping that this will solve at least a good part of the lagging. I have mentioned this to the Accessability Team at accessibil...@apple.com and I'd really advise you to do the same just as soon as you can. I'm also going to double check with HIMS that Apple are supposed to do the driver and not HIMS themselves. If you're not a very fast Braillist then all may well not be lost for you, especially if you're prepared to make that cuppa whilst you wait for the translation. I feel fairly sure that the problem is the same whether you're copying from the clipboard or writing in real time, and it's a lag in translation, I think. However, I'm not the expert, so we'll just go on telling them all what we know and what's important to us. Smiles I will write to the Accessability Team again myself to highlight this issue, in view of the recent introduction of Smart Beetle and what I've gleaned so far, so then they can't be saying they didn't know all about it. . . .. By the way, if we're rather pushing this on list and it's preferred we take it off list then please, George or someone, tell us
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
Hi all. I've had a Smart Beetle for the program I run for the past few weeks, and it's a bit like the VarioUltra in the sense that it still needs some work. Though with the current release of the VarioUltra firmware, there is more frustration in using a VU as opposed to the Beetle for me. The only things I have found to cut back on lag have nothing to do with the Smart Beetle specifically, but some VoiceOver settings that you can change. I wrote a guide you can find at: http://applevis.com/guides/accessories-bluetooth-braille-ios-ipad-iphone-ipod-touch-voiceover/3-ways-possibly-speed-your Scott On 8/22/15, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Haven't really tried 8-dot much but there's certainly a similar lag between transfer from the display's clipboard and the phone. Carol P - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 2:00 AM Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display How does this issue fare - if it pertains - in eight-dot, or Computer, Braille? Does one still see the same time lag transferring between the display's clipboard, and the phone? -Original Message- From: Andrew Lamanche Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 9:36 PM To: VIPhone Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Hi Carol, I've written to one of the tech people at HIMS to let them know about the lag in writing and correcting text using Smart Beetle. I am not sure - nor do I hold my breath - whether they will take note of the problem. But I thought I'd let them know anyway because that's quite a point against buying their product which otherwise is very attractive. I will write to accessibility at Apple as I always do when I encounter the problem. I haven't done so so far because I wasn't sure whose patch it is. it's getting rather confusing who is responsible for what. Please keep my e-mail in your contacts and let me know what you've found out. And maybe if you wish, please send me your e-mail address for my records privately. I will keep in touch with respect to Smart Beetle. Best wishes Andrew On 15 Aug 2015, at 20:05, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi Andrew, Thanks so much for doing the test for me. I wasn't surprised by your results because we have Braille Sense machines here and had experienced this lag. There are two reasons why I wanted to add the Smart Beetle, partily because it's that much smaller for taking around and, secondly, because I was hoping the lag would have been solved by the introduction of the Beetle. However, all is not yet lost because I think there probably will soon be a new driver and, well, I'm just holding on and hoping that this will solve at least a good part of the lagging. I have mentioned this to the Accessability Team at accessibil...@apple.com and I'd really advise you to do the same just as soon as you can. I'm also going to double check with HIMS that Apple are supposed to do the driver and not HIMS themselves. If you're not a very fast Braillist then all may well not be lost for you, especially if you're prepared to make that cuppa whilst you wait for the translation. I feel fairly sure that the problem is the same whether you're copying from the clipboard or writing in real time, and it's a lag in translation, I think. However, I'm not the expert, so we'll just go on telling them all what we know and what's important to us. Smiles I will write to the Accessability Team again myself to highlight this issue, in view of the recent introduction of Smart Beetle and what I've gleaned so far, so then they can't be saying they didn't know all about it. . . .. By the way, if we're rather pushing this on list and it's preferred we take it off list then please, George or someone, tell us that this is the case. I know Jackie is interested, but would hate to bore everyone to death. Anyway, folks, please feel free to use that delete key! Smiles Please keep in touch with me with any developments, Andrew, and I'll do the same. Cheers and thanks for your input on this. Carol P - Original Message - From: Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com To: VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Dear Carol, I’m afraid I’ve got bad news. I’ve done the test as you’ve asked me to and there is quite a considerable lag in both instances: using the text input straight into the edit field and using the clipboard method. This is disappointing. I’m not the fastest Braille writer and yet the lag was definitely there even though the text was quite short. also, I found editing a document quite a laborious task again because of the lag. It took sometimes a few seconds for the cursor to route
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
Hi Scott, I would be interested to know what version of the firmware you are using, as we have had an update recently that his fixed a number of issues. Please let me know. Thanks Amy Ruell Baum USA Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. I've had a Smart Beetle for the program I run for the past few weeks, and it's a bit like the VarioUltra in the sense that it still needs some work. Though with the current release of the VarioUltra firmware, there is more frustration in using a VU as opposed to the Beetle for me. The only things I have found to cut back on lag have nothing to do with the Smart Beetle specifically, but some VoiceOver settings that you can change. I wrote a guide you can find at: http://applevis.com/guides/accessories-bluetooth-braille-ios-ipad-iphone-ipod-touch-voiceover/3-ways-possibly-speed-your Scott On 8/22/15, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Haven't really tried 8-dot much but there's certainly a similar lag between transfer from the display's clipboard and the phone. Carol P - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 2:00 AM Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display How does this issue fare - if it pertains - in eight-dot, or Computer, Braille? Does one still see the same time lag transferring between the display's clipboard, and the phone? -Original Message- From: Andrew Lamanche Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 9:36 PM To: VIPhone Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Hi Carol, I've written to one of the tech people at HIMS to let them know about the lag in writing and correcting text using Smart Beetle. I am not sure - nor do I hold my breath - whether they will take note of the problem. But I thought I'd let them know anyway because that's quite a point against buying their product which otherwise is very attractive. I will write to accessibility at Apple as I always do when I encounter the problem. I haven't done so so far because I wasn't sure whose patch it is. it's getting rather confusing who is responsible for what. Please keep my e-mail in your contacts and let me know what you've found out. And maybe if you wish, please send me your e-mail address for my records privately. I will keep in touch with respect to Smart Beetle. Best wishes Andrew On 15 Aug 2015, at 20:05, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi Andrew, Thanks so much for doing the test for me. I wasn't surprised by your results because we have Braille Sense machines here and had experienced this lag. There are two reasons why I wanted to add the Smart Beetle, partily because it's that much smaller for taking around and, secondly, because I was hoping the lag would have been solved by the introduction of the Beetle. However, all is not yet lost because I think there probably will soon be a new driver and, well, I'm just holding on and hoping that this will solve at least a good part of the lagging. I have mentioned this to the Accessability Team at accessibil...@apple.com and I'd really advise you to do the same just as soon as you can. I'm also going to double check with HIMS that Apple are supposed to do the driver and not HIMS themselves. If you're not a very fast Braillist then all may well not be lost for you, especially if you're prepared to make that cuppa whilst you wait for the translation. I feel fairly sure that the problem is the same whether you're copying from the clipboard or writing in real time, and it's a lag in translation, I think. However, I'm not the expert, so we'll just go on telling them all what we know and what's important to us. Smiles I will write to the Accessability Team again myself to highlight this issue, in view of the recent introduction of Smart Beetle and what I've gleaned so far, so then they can't be saying they didn't know all about it. . . .. By the way, if we're rather pushing this on list and it's preferred we take it off list then please, George or someone, tell us that this is the case. I know Jackie is interested, but would hate to bore everyone to death. Anyway, folks, please feel free to use that delete key! Smiles Please keep in touch with me with any developments, Andrew, and I'll do the same. Cheers and thanks for your input on this. Carol P - Original Message - From: Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com To: VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Dear Carol, I’m afraid I’ve got bad news. I’ve done the test as you’ve asked me to and there is quite a considerable lag in both instances: using the text
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
Hi Scott, I am under the impression that the latest release of firmware for the Verio cleared up some of the issues that it had been having. What do you find frustrating with the current release as compared with other displays? Mary Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2015, at 8:25 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. I've had a Smart Beetle for the program I run for the past few weeks, and it's a bit like the VarioUltra in the sense that it still needs some work. Though with the current release of the VarioUltra firmware, there is more frustration in using a VU as opposed to the Beetle for me. The only things I have found to cut back on lag have nothing to do with the Smart Beetle specifically, but some VoiceOver settings that you can change. I wrote a guide you can find at: http://applevis.com/guides/accessories-bluetooth-braille-ios-ipad-iphone-ipod-touch-voiceover/3-ways-possibly-speed-your Scott On 8/22/15, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Haven't really tried 8-dot much but there's certainly a similar lag between transfer from the display's clipboard and the phone. Carol P - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 2:00 AM Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display How does this issue fare - if it pertains - in eight-dot, or Computer, Braille? Does one still see the same time lag transferring between the display's clipboard, and the phone? -Original Message- From: Andrew Lamanche Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 9:36 PM To: VIPhone Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Hi Carol, I've written to one of the tech people at HIMS to let them know about the lag in writing and correcting text using Smart Beetle. I am not sure - nor do I hold my breath - whether they will take note of the problem. But I thought I'd let them know anyway because that's quite a point against buying their product which otherwise is very attractive. I will write to accessibility at Apple as I always do when I encounter the problem. I haven't done so so far because I wasn't sure whose patch it is. it's getting rather confusing who is responsible for what. Please keep my e-mail in your contacts and let me know what you've found out. And maybe if you wish, please send me your e-mail address for my records privately. I will keep in touch with respect to Smart Beetle. Best wishes Andrew On 15 Aug 2015, at 20:05, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi Andrew, Thanks so much for doing the test for me. I wasn't surprised by your results because we have Braille Sense machines here and had experienced this lag. There are two reasons why I wanted to add the Smart Beetle, partily because it's that much smaller for taking around and, secondly, because I was hoping the lag would have been solved by the introduction of the Beetle. However, all is not yet lost because I think there probably will soon be a new driver and, well, I'm just holding on and hoping that this will solve at least a good part of the lagging. I have mentioned this to the Accessability Team at accessibil...@apple.com and I'd really advise you to do the same just as soon as you can. I'm also going to double check with HIMS that Apple are supposed to do the driver and not HIMS themselves. If you're not a very fast Braillist then all may well not be lost for you, especially if you're prepared to make that cuppa whilst you wait for the translation. I feel fairly sure that the problem is the same whether you're copying from the clipboard or writing in real time, and it's a lag in translation, I think. However, I'm not the expert, so we'll just go on telling them all what we know and what's important to us. Smiles I will write to the Accessability Team again myself to highlight this issue, in view of the recent introduction of Smart Beetle and what I've gleaned so far, so then they can't be saying they didn't know all about it. . . .. By the way, if we're rather pushing this on list and it's preferred we take it off list then please, George or someone, tell us that this is the case. I know Jackie is interested, but would hate to bore everyone to death. Anyway, folks, please feel free to use that delete key! Smiles Please keep in touch with me with any developments, Andrew, and I'll do the same. Cheers and thanks for your input on this. Carol P - Original Message - From: Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com To: VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Dear Carol, I’m afraid I’ve got bad news. I’ve done the test as you’ve asked me to and there is quite a considerable lag
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
Haven't really tried 8-dot much but there's certainly a similar lag between transfer from the display's clipboard and the phone. Carol P - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 2:00 AM Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display How does this issue fare - if it pertains - in eight-dot, or Computer, Braille? Does one still see the same time lag transferring between the display's clipboard, and the phone? -Original Message- From: Andrew Lamanche Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 9:36 PM To: VIPhone Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Hi Carol, I've written to one of the tech people at HIMS to let them know about the lag in writing and correcting text using Smart Beetle. I am not sure - nor do I hold my breath - whether they will take note of the problem. But I thought I'd let them know anyway because that's quite a point against buying their product which otherwise is very attractive. I will write to accessibility at Apple as I always do when I encounter the problem. I haven't done so so far because I wasn't sure whose patch it is. it's getting rather confusing who is responsible for what. Please keep my e-mail in your contacts and let me know what you've found out. And maybe if you wish, please send me your e-mail address for my records privately. I will keep in touch with respect to Smart Beetle. Best wishes Andrew On 15 Aug 2015, at 20:05, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi Andrew, Thanks so much for doing the test for me. I wasn't surprised by your results because we have Braille Sense machines here and had experienced this lag. There are two reasons why I wanted to add the Smart Beetle, partily because it's that much smaller for taking around and, secondly, because I was hoping the lag would have been solved by the introduction of the Beetle. However, all is not yet lost because I think there probably will soon be a new driver and, well, I'm just holding on and hoping that this will solve at least a good part of the lagging. I have mentioned this to the Accessability Team at accessibil...@apple.com and I'd really advise you to do the same just as soon as you can. I'm also going to double check with HIMS that Apple are supposed to do the driver and not HIMS themselves. If you're not a very fast Braillist then all may well not be lost for you, especially if you're prepared to make that cuppa whilst you wait for the translation. I feel fairly sure that the problem is the same whether you're copying from the clipboard or writing in real time, and it's a lag in translation, I think. However, I'm not the expert, so we'll just go on telling them all what we know and what's important to us. Smiles I will write to the Accessability Team again myself to highlight this issue, in view of the recent introduction of Smart Beetle and what I've gleaned so far, so then they can't be saying they didn't know all about it. . . .. By the way, if we're rather pushing this on list and it's preferred we take it off list then please, George or someone, tell us that this is the case. I know Jackie is interested, but would hate to bore everyone to death. Anyway, folks, please feel free to use that delete key! Smiles Please keep in touch with me with any developments, Andrew, and I'll do the same. Cheers and thanks for your input on this. Carol P - Original Message - From: Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com To: VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Dear Carol, I’m afraid I’ve got bad news. I’ve done the test as you’ve asked me to and there is quite a considerable lag in both instances: using the text input straight into the edit field and using the clipboard method. This is disappointing. I’m not the fastest Braille writer and yet the lag was definitely there even though the text was quite short. also, I found editing a document quite a laborious task again because of the lag. It took sometimes a few seconds for the cursor to route to the right letter and when inserting a letter or letters again it took a few seconds for the text to appear on the display. Very disappointed. One more thing I want to try is pairing the Smart Beetle with my iPhone as a bluetooth keyboard and inputing the text from that mode to see whether it is the Braille mode that slows it down. Apparently it is possible to use combo mode with smart beetle, i.e. pairing it both as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard and then changing how you use it using a shortcut key. I will have to read some more about it. In a way, I’m anxious now that I made a wrong choice and yet I would have struggled to raise more finances for a more expensive product. Maybe not all is lost
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Yes, the lag is there regardless of whether one uses 6 or 8 dot Braille. I thought that using computer Braille might solve teh lag but it did not. On 22 Aug 2015, at 02:00, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: How does this issue fare - if it pertains - in eight-dot, or Computer, Braille? Does one still see the same time lag transferring between the display's clipboard, and the phone? -Original Message- From: Andrew Lamanche Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 9:36 PM To: VIPhone Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Hi Carol, I've written to one of the tech people at HIMS to let them know about the lag in writing and correcting text using Smart Beetle. I am not sure - nor do I hold my breath - whether they will take note of the problem. But I thought I'd let them know anyway because that's quite a point against buying their product which otherwise is very attractive. I will write to accessibility at Apple as I always do when I encounter the problem. I haven't done so so far because I wasn't sure whose patch it is. it's getting rather confusing who is responsible for what. Please keep my e-mail in your contacts and let me know what you've found out. And maybe if you wish, please send me your e-mail address for my records privately. I will keep in touch with respect to Smart Beetle. Best wishes Andrew On 15 Aug 2015, at 20:05, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi Andrew, Thanks so much for doing the test for me. I wasn't surprised by your results because we have Braille Sense machines here and had experienced this lag. There are two reasons why I wanted to add the Smart Beetle, partily because it's that much smaller for taking around and, secondly, because I was hoping the lag would have been solved by the introduction of the Beetle. However, all is not yet lost because I think there probably will soon be a new driver and, well, I'm just holding on and hoping that this will solve at least a good part of the lagging. I have mentioned this to the Accessability Team at accessibil...@apple.com and I'd really advise you to do the same just as soon as you can. I'm also going to double check with HIMS that Apple are supposed to do the driver and not HIMS themselves. If you're not a very fast Braillist then all may well not be lost for you, especially if you're prepared to make that cuppa whilst you wait for the translation. I feel fairly sure that the problem is the same whether you're copying from the clipboard or writing in real time, and it's a lag in translation, I think. However, I'm not the expert, so we'll just go on telling them all what we know and what's important to us. Smiles I will write to the Accessability Team again myself to highlight this issue, in view of the recent introduction of Smart Beetle and what I've gleaned so far, so then they can't be saying they didn't know all about it. . . .. By the way, if we're rather pushing this on list and it's preferred we take it off list then please, George or someone, tell us that this is the case. I know Jackie is interested, but would hate to bore everyone to death. Anyway, folks, please feel free to use that delete key! Smiles Please keep in touch with me with any developments, Andrew, and I'll do the same. Cheers and thanks for your input on this. Carol P - Original Message - From: Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com To: VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Dear Carol, I’m afraid I’ve got bad news. I’ve done the test as you’ve asked me to and there is quite a considerable lag in both instances: using the text input straight into the edit field and using the clipboard method. This is disappointing. I’m not the fastest Braille writer and yet the lag was definitely there even though the text was quite short. also, I found editing a document quite a laborious task again because of the lag. It took sometimes a few seconds for the cursor to route to the right letter and when inserting a letter or letters again it took a few seconds for the text to appear on the display. Very disappointed. One more thing I want to try is pairing the Smart Beetle with my iPhone as a bluetooth keyboard and inputing the text from that mode to see whether it is the Braille mode that slows it down. Apparently it is possible to use combo mode with smart beetle, i.e. pairing it both as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard and then changing how you use it using a shortcut key. I will have to read some more about it. In a way, I’m anxious now that I made a wrong choice and yet I would have struggled to raise more finances for a more expensive product. Maybe not all is lost and maybe, just maybe, HIMS
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Also try the dots 1-4-5-spacebar for delete. (d-chord) to delete messages. Did you get a Braille manual with the Smart Beetle? You can use your Braille keyboard as input too, presumably with any enabled PC also. In iOS, press the k with spacebar to get into VO Help, then press any key or key combo on the display to find out what it does. (This seems to work best in eight-dot mode.) I have a Focus14 Blue, so I'm pretty sure there'll be competition between FS and HIMS there. -Original Message- From: Andrew Lamanche Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 6:47 PM To: VIPhone Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com Subject: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Listers, It's arrived: my new tiny, 14 cell refreshable Braille display produced by HIMS. Nervous as I was ordering it from Sight and Sound in the UK, I feel I'm gonna love it! it's small and the cells are nice. I've already paired it with my iphone. And by the way, this Braille display can remember 5 different bluetooth devices to which one connects. It also has a USB connection. I know it's going to be a steep learning curve and that I'm going to be asking lots of questions but I've already managed to read using Smart Beetle from Voice Dream Reader and ibooks. The pleasure of reading quietly is intense! I'm delighted. At present it seems that I have to keep my iphone or ipad unlocked in order to use my Smart Beetle. Is this the case in your experience too? Also, Smart Beetle can connect via bluetooth either as a Braille display or as a bluetooth keyboard emulator and it can also work in combo mode, i.e. you can have it connected as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard for more functionality. I can navigate home screens using it, open and close applications, read text, I've written a text message using it, I can use the rotor. However, when in Mail, I couldn't find a way of deleting an email I didn't want to read and I was wondering whether there may be an equivalent of a swiping gesture that Braille display could imitate. I just wonder if you could share what else you can do with your refreshable Braille displays and iPhone? Many thanks for any suggestions Andrew -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the VIPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your VIPhone list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
How does this issue fare - if it pertains - in eight-dot, or Computer, Braille? Does one still see the same time lag transferring between the display's clipboard, and the phone? -Original Message- From: Andrew Lamanche Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 9:36 PM To: VIPhone Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Hi Carol, I've written to one of the tech people at HIMS to let them know about the lag in writing and correcting text using Smart Beetle. I am not sure - nor do I hold my breath - whether they will take note of the problem. But I thought I'd let them know anyway because that's quite a point against buying their product which otherwise is very attractive. I will write to accessibility at Apple as I always do when I encounter the problem. I haven't done so so far because I wasn't sure whose patch it is. it's getting rather confusing who is responsible for what. Please keep my e-mail in your contacts and let me know what you've found out. And maybe if you wish, please send me your e-mail address for my records privately. I will keep in touch with respect to Smart Beetle. Best wishes Andrew On 15 Aug 2015, at 20:05, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi Andrew, Thanks so much for doing the test for me. I wasn't surprised by your results because we have Braille Sense machines here and had experienced this lag. There are two reasons why I wanted to add the Smart Beetle, partily because it's that much smaller for taking around and, secondly, because I was hoping the lag would have been solved by the introduction of the Beetle. However, all is not yet lost because I think there probably will soon be a new driver and, well, I'm just holding on and hoping that this will solve at least a good part of the lagging. I have mentioned this to the Accessability Team at accessibil...@apple.com and I'd really advise you to do the same just as soon as you can. I'm also going to double check with HIMS that Apple are supposed to do the driver and not HIMS themselves. If you're not a very fast Braillist then all may well not be lost for you, especially if you're prepared to make that cuppa whilst you wait for the translation. I feel fairly sure that the problem is the same whether you're copying from the clipboard or writing in real time, and it's a lag in translation, I think. However, I'm not the expert, so we'll just go on telling them all what we know and what's important to us. Smiles I will write to the Accessability Team again myself to highlight this issue, in view of the recent introduction of Smart Beetle and what I've gleaned so far, so then they can't be saying they didn't know all about it. . . .. By the way, if we're rather pushing this on list and it's preferred we take it off list then please, George or someone, tell us that this is the case. I know Jackie is interested, but would hate to bore everyone to death. Anyway, folks, please feel free to use that delete key! Smiles Please keep in touch with me with any developments, Andrew, and I'll do the same. Cheers and thanks for your input on this. Carol P - Original Message - From: Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com To: VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Dear Carol, I’m afraid I’ve got bad news. I’ve done the test as you’ve asked me to and there is quite a considerable lag in both instances: using the text input straight into the edit field and using the clipboard method. This is disappointing. I’m not the fastest Braille writer and yet the lag was definitely there even though the text was quite short. also, I found editing a document quite a laborious task again because of the lag. It took sometimes a few seconds for the cursor to route to the right letter and when inserting a letter or letters again it took a few seconds for the text to appear on the display. Very disappointed. One more thing I want to try is pairing the Smart Beetle with my iPhone as a bluetooth keyboard and inputing the text from that mode to see whether it is the Braille mode that slows it down. Apparently it is possible to use combo mode with smart beetle, i.e. pairing it both as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard and then changing how you use it using a shortcut key. I will have to read some more about it. In a way, I’m anxious now that I made a wrong choice and yet I would have struggled to raise more finances for a more expensive product. Maybe not all is lost and maybe, just maybe, HIMS will improve their software, and maybe once Apple incorporates Smart Beetle driver into its OS it will speed things up. Sorry I have no better news. Andrew On 14 Aug 2015, at 22:58, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi Andrew, Hmm! Wish SS had
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Have written you off list. Carol P - Original Message - From: Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com To: VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 9:36 PM Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Hi Carol, I've written to one of the tech people at HIMS to let them know about the lag in writing and correcting text using Smart Beetle. I am not sure - nor do I hold my breath - whether they will take note of the problem. But I thought I'd let them know anyway because that's quite a point against buying their product which otherwise is very attractive. I will write to accessibility at Apple as I always do when I encounter the problem. I haven't done so so far because I wasn't sure whose patch it is. it's getting rather confusing who is responsible for what. Please keep my e-mail in your contacts and let me know what you've found out. And maybe if you wish, please send me your e-mail address for my records privately. I will keep in touch with respect to Smart Beetle. Best wishes Andrew On 15 Aug 2015, at 20:05, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi Andrew, Thanks so much for doing the test for me. I wasn't surprised by your results because we have Braille Sense machines here and had experienced this lag. There are two reasons why I wanted to add the Smart Beetle, partily because it's that much smaller for taking around and, secondly, because I was hoping the lag would have been solved by the introduction of the Beetle. However, all is not yet lost because I think there probably will soon be a new driver and, well, I'm just holding on and hoping that this will solve at least a good part of the lagging. I have mentioned this to the Accessability Team at accessibil...@apple.com and I'd really advise you to do the same just as soon as you can. I'm also going to double check with HIMS that Apple are supposed to do the driver and not HIMS themselves. If you're not a very fast Braillist then all may well not be lost for you, especially if you're prepared to make that cuppa whilst you wait for the translation. I feel fairly sure that the problem is the same whether you're copying from the clipboard or writing in real time, and it's a lag in translation, I think. However, I'm not the expert, so we'll just go on telling them all what we know and what's important to us. Smiles I will write to the Accessability Team again myself to highlight this issue, in view of the recent introduction of Smart Beetle and what I've gleaned so far, so then they can't be saying they didn't know all about it. . . .. By the way, if we're rather pushing this on list and it's preferred we take it off list then please, George or someone, tell us that this is the case. I know Jackie is interested, but would hate to bore everyone to death. Anyway, folks, please feel free to use that delete key! Smiles Please keep in touch with me with any developments, Andrew, and I'll do the same. Cheers and thanks for your input on this. Carol P - Original Message - From: Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com To: VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Dear Carol, I’m afraid I’ve got bad news. I’ve done the test as you’ve asked me to and there is quite a considerable lag in both instances: using the text input straight into the edit field and using the clipboard method. This is disappointing. I’m not the fastest Braille writer and yet the lag was definitely there even though the text was quite short. also, I found editing a document quite a laborious task again because of the lag. It took sometimes a few seconds for the cursor to route to the right letter and when inserting a letter or letters again it took a few seconds for the text to appear on the display. Very disappointed. One more thing I want to try is pairing the Smart Beetle with my iPhone as a bluetooth keyboard and inputing the text from that mode to see whether it is the Braille mode that slows it down. Apparently it is possible to use combo mode with smart beetle, i.e. pairing it both as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard and then changing how you use it using a shortcut key. I will have to read some more about it. In a way, I’m anxious now that I made a wrong choice and yet I would have struggled to raise more finances for a more expensive product. Maybe not all is lost and maybe, just maybe, HIMS will improve their software, and maybe once Apple incorporates Smart Beetle driver into its OS it will speed things up. Sorry I have no better news. Andrew On 14 Aug 2015, at 22:58, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi Andrew, Hmm! Wish SS had their act together before my demo. I'd thought, maybe, the use of the Braille Sense, in the manual
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
Hi Andrew, Thanks so much for doing the test for me. I wasn't surprised by your results because we have Braille Sense machines here and had experienced this lag. There are two reasons why I wanted to add the Smart Beetle, partily because it's that much smaller for taking around and, secondly, because I was hoping the lag would have been solved by the introduction of the Beetle. However, all is not yet lost because I think there probably will soon be a new driver and, well, I'm just holding on and hoping that this will solve at least a good part of the lagging. I have mentioned this to the Accessability Team at accessibil...@apple.com and I'd really advise you to do the same just as soon as you can. I'm also going to double check with HIMS that Apple are supposed to do the driver and not HIMS themselves. If you're not a very fast Braillist then all may well not be lost for you, especially if you're prepared to make that cuppa whilst you wait for the translation. I feel fairly sure that the problem is the same whether you're copying from the clipboard or writing in real time, and it's a lag in translation, I think. However, I'm not the expert, so we'll just go on telling them all what we know and what's important to us. Smiles I will write to the Accessability Team again myself to highlight this issue, in view of the recent introduction of Smart Beetle and what I've gleaned so far, so then they can't be saying they didn't know all about it. . . .. By the way, if we're rather pushing this on list and it's preferred we take it off list then please, George or someone, tell us that this is the case. I know Jackie is interested, but would hate to bore everyone to death. Anyway, folks, please feel free to use that delete key! Smiles Please keep in touch with me with any developments, Andrew, and I'll do the same. Cheers and thanks for your input on this. Carol P - Original Message - From: Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com To: VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Dear Carol, I’m afraid I’ve got bad news. I’ve done the test as you’ve asked me to and there is quite a considerable lag in both instances: using the text input straight into the edit field and using the clipboard method. This is disappointing. I’m not the fastest Braille writer and yet the lag was definitely there even though the text was quite short. also, I found editing a document quite a laborious task again because of the lag. It took sometimes a few seconds for the cursor to route to the right letter and when inserting a letter or letters again it took a few seconds for the text to appear on the display. Very disappointed. One more thing I want to try is pairing the Smart Beetle with my iPhone as a bluetooth keyboard and inputing the text from that mode to see whether it is the Braille mode that slows it down. Apparently it is possible to use combo mode with smart beetle, i.e. pairing it both as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard and then changing how you use it using a shortcut key. I will have to read some more about it. In a way, I’m anxious now that I made a wrong choice and yet I would have struggled to raise more finances for a more expensive product. Maybe not all is lost and maybe, just maybe, HIMS will improve their software, and maybe once Apple incorporates Smart Beetle driver into its OS it will speed things up. Sorry I have no better news. Andrew On 14 Aug 2015, at 22:58, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi Andrew, Hmm! Wish SS had their act together before my demo. I'd thought, maybe, the use of the Braille Sense, in the manual was perhaps an oversight in not correcting stuff ... as this happens ... but it wasn't, I gather. The other reason that would make me really want this unit is if you could answer Yes definitely to one further point. You may not have done this, but you can use the clipboard setting to temporarily disable the keyboard so that you can write something in your own clipboard, so to speak. In this case, you write quite a bit of text, say, 300 words, then try sending to your iPhone. You get into the clipboard with backspace+enter+C and then send by pressing Enter. In previous Sense products, I've found this to be too slow for me and even unreliable, possibly running out of memory ... I'd love to be able to use this feature, but quickly and not feel I wanted to drink a cuppa whilst waiting. I found it translated the text only as quickly as it did ifyou were brailling directly and were having to wait for it to be translated into the phone, and that wasn't what I wanted! Can you try this out, please, and let me know what you think. Thanks. Thanks also for the instructions you gave below, which I'll keep for further reference. Carol P
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
Hi Andrew, Thanks so much for doing the test for me. I wasn't surprised by your results because we have Braille Sense machines here and had experienced this lag. There are two reasons why I wanted to add the Smart Beetle, partily because it's that much smaller for taking around and, secondly, because I was hoping the lag would have been solved by the introduction of the Beetle. However, all is not yet lost because I think there probably will soon be a new driver and, well, I'm just holding on and hoping that this will solve at least a good part of the lagging. I have mentioned this to the Accessability Team at accessibil...@apple.com and I'd really advise you to do the same just as soon as you can. I'm also going to double check with HIMS that Apple are supposed to do the driver and not HIMS themselves. If you're not a very fast Braillist then all may well not be lost for you, especially if you're prepared to make that cuppa whilst you wait for the translation. I feel fairly sure that the problem is the same whether you're copying from the clipboard or writing in real time, and it's a lag in translation, I think. However, I'm not the expert, so we'll just go on telling them all what we know and what's important to us. Smiles I will write to the Accessability Team again myself to highlight this issue, in view of the recent introduction of Smart Beetle and what I've gleaned so far, so then they can't be saying they didn't know all about it. . . .. By the way, if we're rather pushing this on list and it's preferred we take it off list then please, George or someone, tell us that this is the case. I know Jackie is interested, but would hate to bore everyone to death. Anyway, folks, please feel free to use that delete key! Smiles Please keep in touch with me with any developments, Andrew, and I'll do the same. Cheers and thanks for your input on this. Carol P - Original Message - From: Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com To: VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Dear Carol, I’m afraid I’ve got bad news. I’ve done the test as you’ve asked me to and there is quite a considerable lag in both instances: using the text input straight into the edit field and using the clipboard method. This is disappointing. I’m not the fastest Braille writer and yet the lag was definitely there even though the text was quite short. also, I found editing a document quite a laborious task again because of the lag. It took sometimes a few seconds for the cursor to route to the right letter and when inserting a letter or letters again it took a few seconds for the text to appear on the display. Very disappointed. One more thing I want to try is pairing the Smart Beetle with my iPhone as a bluetooth keyboard and inputing the text from that mode to see whether it is the Braille mode that slows it down. Apparently it is possible to use combo mode with smart beetle, i.e. pairing it both as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard and then changing how you use it using a shortcut key. I will have to read some more about it. In a way, I’m anxious now that I made a wrong choice and yet I would have struggled to raise more finances for a more expensive product. Maybe not all is lost and maybe, just maybe, HIMS will improve their software, and maybe once Apple incorporates Smart Beetle driver into its OS it will speed things up. Sorry I have no better news. Andrew On 14 Aug 2015, at 22:58, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi Andrew, Hmm! Wish SS had their act together before my demo. I'd thought, maybe, the use of the Braille Sense, in the manual was perhaps an oversight in not correcting stuff ... as this happens ... but it wasn't, I gather. The other reason that would make me really want this unit is if you could answer Yes definitely to one further point. You may not have done this, but you can use the clipboard setting to temporarily disable the keyboard so that you can write something in your own clipboard, so to speak. In this case, you write quite a bit of text, say, 300 words, then try sending to your iPhone. You get into the clipboard with backspace+enter+C and then send by pressing Enter. In previous Sense products, I've found this to be too slow for me and even unreliable, possibly running out of memory ... I'd love to be able to use this feature, but quickly and not feel I wanted to drink a cuppa whilst waiting. I found it translated the text only as quickly as it did ifyou were brailling directly and were having to wait for it to be translated into the phone, and that wasn't what I wanted! Can you try this out, please, and let me know what you think. Thanks. Thanks also for the instructions you gave below, which I'll keep for further reference. Carol P
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
Dear Carol, I’m afraid I’ve got bad news. I’ve done the test as you’ve asked me to and there is quite a considerable lag in both instances: using the text input straight into the edit field and using the clipboard method. This is disappointing. I’m not the fastest Braille writer and yet the lag was definitely there even though the text was quite short. also, I found editing a document quite a laborious task again because of the lag. It took sometimes a few seconds for the cursor to route to the right letter and when inserting a letter or letters again it took a few seconds for the text to appear on the display. Very disappointed. One more thing I want to try is pairing the Smart Beetle with my iPhone as a bluetooth keyboard and inputing the text from that mode to see whether it is the Braille mode that slows it down. Apparently it is possible to use combo mode with smart beetle, i.e. pairing it both as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard and then changing how you use it using a shortcut key. I will have to read some more about it. In a way, I’m anxious now that I made a wrong choice and yet I would have struggled to raise more finances for a more expensive product. Maybe not all is lost and maybe, just maybe, HIMS will improve their software, and maybe once Apple incorporates Smart Beetle driver into its OS it will speed things up. Sorry I have no better news. Andrew On 14 Aug 2015, at 22:58, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi Andrew, Hmm! Wish SS had their act together before my demo. I'd thought, maybe, the use of the Braille Sense, in the manual was perhaps an oversight in not correcting stuff ... as this happens ... but it wasn't, I gather. The other reason that would make me really want this unit is if you could answer Yes definitely to one further point. You may not have done this, but you can use the clipboard setting to temporarily disable the keyboard so that you can write something in your own clipboard, so to speak. In this case, you write quite a bit of text, say, 300 words, then try sending to your iPhone. You get into the clipboard with backspace+enter+C and then send by pressing Enter. In previous Sense products, I've found this to be too slow for me and even unreliable, possibly running out of memory ... I'd love to be able to use this feature, but quickly and not feel I wanted to drink a cuppa whilst waiting. I found it translated the text only as quickly as it did ifyou were brailling directly and were having to wait for it to be translated into the phone, and that wasn't what I wanted! Can you try this out, please, and let me know what you think. Thanks. Thanks also for the instructions you gave below, which I'll keep for further reference. Carol P - Original Message - From: Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com To: VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Hi Carol, Yes, at present you have to pair Smart Beetle as BrailleSense because Apple has not as yet incorporated the Smart Beetle driver into its operating systems. However, HIMS provide instructions on how to make Smart Beetle appear as BrailleSense. Once i took the initial steps to accomplish this on Smart Beetle itself, the pairing went smoothly. Below I'm pasting the instructions as I received them from HIMS. They are also included with the product on a separate Braille sheet. Smart Beetle with Apple products. Note, the below refers to using Smart Beetle with products running Apple's iOS, including iPhone, iPad, and iPod as well as mac computers. At the time of this writing, Apple has not implemented a Smart Beetle specific driver into iOS or the Mac OS. Thus, it has become necessary for us to do a work around in order that you may use your Smart Beetle with i-devices and Mac computers. In short, this work-around allows the Smart Beetle to emulate a Braille Sense notetaker, which is supported in Apple's operating systems. You can turn this emulation on and off simply by changing the Bluetooth name for the Bluetooth Serial port on the Smart Beetle. note: this work-around requires you to use the Smart Beetle via Bluetooth when using a Mac computer. To change the Bluetooth name, please do the following: 1) Press Power-F1, choose BRL and press Enter. The unit displays pairing BRL. 2) Press the Power button to open the menu, and Press the shortcut I to open Information. 3) From the Information list, press (F2-F3-Dot1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8). 4) Return to Information, and confirm the BRL Bluetooth name. Each time you follow these steps, the Bluetooth name is toggled between SmartBeetle and BrailleSense, thus, you can use Smart Beetle in it's normal configuration for other screen readers. In addition, when Apple introduces Smart
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
Hi Carol, I've written to one of the tech people at HIMS to let them know about the lag in writing and correcting text using Smart Beetle. I am not sure - nor do I hold my breath - whether they will take note of the problem. But I thought I'd let them know anyway because that's quite a point against buying their product which otherwise is very attractive. I will write to accessibility at Apple as I always do when I encounter the problem. I haven't done so so far because I wasn't sure whose patch it is. it's getting rather confusing who is responsible for what. Please keep my e-mail in your contacts and let me know what you've found out. And maybe if you wish, please send me your e-mail address for my records privately. I will keep in touch with respect to Smart Beetle. Best wishes Andrew On 15 Aug 2015, at 20:05, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi Andrew, Thanks so much for doing the test for me. I wasn't surprised by your results because we have Braille Sense machines here and had experienced this lag. There are two reasons why I wanted to add the Smart Beetle, partily because it's that much smaller for taking around and, secondly, because I was hoping the lag would have been solved by the introduction of the Beetle. However, all is not yet lost because I think there probably will soon be a new driver and, well, I'm just holding on and hoping that this will solve at least a good part of the lagging. I have mentioned this to the Accessability Team at accessibil...@apple.com and I'd really advise you to do the same just as soon as you can. I'm also going to double check with HIMS that Apple are supposed to do the driver and not HIMS themselves. If you're not a very fast Braillist then all may well not be lost for you, especially if you're prepared to make that cuppa whilst you wait for the translation. I feel fairly sure that the problem is the same whether you're copying from the clipboard or writing in real time, and it's a lag in translation, I think. However, I'm not the expert, so we'll just go on telling them all what we know and what's important to us. Smiles I will write to the Accessability Team again myself to highlight this issue, in view of the recent introduction of Smart Beetle and what I've gleaned so far, so then they can't be saying they didn't know all about it. . . .. By the way, if we're rather pushing this on list and it's preferred we take it off list then please, George or someone, tell us that this is the case. I know Jackie is interested, but would hate to bore everyone to death. Anyway, folks, please feel free to use that delete key! Smiles Please keep in touch with me with any developments, Andrew, and I'll do the same. Cheers and thanks for your input on this. Carol P - Original Message - From: Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com To: VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Dear Carol, I’m afraid I’ve got bad news. I’ve done the test as you’ve asked me to and there is quite a considerable lag in both instances: using the text input straight into the edit field and using the clipboard method. This is disappointing. I’m not the fastest Braille writer and yet the lag was definitely there even though the text was quite short. also, I found editing a document quite a laborious task again because of the lag. It took sometimes a few seconds for the cursor to route to the right letter and when inserting a letter or letters again it took a few seconds for the text to appear on the display. Very disappointed. One more thing I want to try is pairing the Smart Beetle with my iPhone as a bluetooth keyboard and inputing the text from that mode to see whether it is the Braille mode that slows it down. Apparently it is possible to use combo mode with smart beetle, i.e. pairing it both as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard and then changing how you use it using a shortcut key. I will have to read some more about it. In a way, I’m anxious now that I made a wrong choice and yet I would have struggled to raise more finances for a more expensive product. Maybe not all is lost and maybe, just maybe, HIMS will improve their software, and maybe once Apple incorporates Smart Beetle driver into its OS it will speed things up. Sorry I have no better news. Andrew On 14 Aug 2015, at 22:58, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi Andrew, Hmm! Wish SS had their act together before my demo. I'd thought, maybe, the use of the Braille Sense, in the manual was perhaps an oversight in not correcting stuff ... as this happens ... but it wasn't, I gather. The other reason that would make me really want this unit is if you could
RE: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
Helli Jim and all, Full disclosure, I work for Baum USA and support the VarioUltra. One of the main differences between this and the Beetle is that the VarioUltra is not just a braille display; It has a suite of applications and can work as a stand alone notetaker with 32 giggs of storage. The applications include word processor, calculator, pdf, powerpoint, and excel viewers, file manager, settings, and help. The VarioUltra has 20 and 40 cell options, has aluminum housing, and has a 2-year warranty which includes free cleaning and battery care if sent in 1 time yearly. Hth, Amy Ruell -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Portillo Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:26 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Has anyone compared this to the Vario Ultra? I would love to know any major differences. Sent from my iPhone 6! On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:22 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: It's on special offer till 30 September from Sight and Sound in the UK for £799, including a very nice and sturdy leather carrying case. Andrew On 13 Aug 2015, at 21:59, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Wow, how much does this display cost? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: Listers, It's arrived: my new tiny, 14 cell refreshable Braille display produced by HIMS. Nervous as I was ordering it from Sight and Sound in the UK, I feel I'm gonna love it! it's small and the cells are nice. I've already paired it with my iphone. And by the way, this Braille display can remember 5 different bluetooth devices to which one connects. It also has a USB connection. I know it's going to be a steep learning curve and that I'm going to be asking lots of questions but I've already managed to read using Smart Beetle from Voice Dream Reader and ibooks. The pleasure of reading quietly is intense! I'm delighted. At present it seems that I have to keep my iphone or ipad unlocked in order to use my Smart Beetle. Is this the case in your experience too? Also, Smart Beetle can connect via bluetooth either as a Braille display or as a bluetooth keyboard emulator and it can also work in combo mode, i.e. you can have it connected as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard for more functionality. I can navigate home screens using it, open and close applications, read text, I've written a text message using it, I can use the rotor. However, when in Mail, I couldn't find a way of deleting an email I didn't want to read and I was wondering whether there may be an equivalent of a swiping gesture that Braille display could imitate. I just wonder if you could share what else you can do with your refreshable Braille displays and iPhone? Many thanks for any suggestions Andrew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
Excellent! Thanks to all of you for your answers. Sent from my iPhone 6! On Aug 14, 2015, at 3:59 AM, Amy Ruel aru...@comcast.net wrote: Helli Jim and all, Full disclosure, I work for Baum USA and support the VarioUltra. One of the main differences between this and the Beetle is that the VarioUltra is not just a braille display; It has a suite of applications and can work as a stand alone notetaker with 32 giggs of storage. The applications include word processor, calculator, pdf, powerpoint, and excel viewers, file manager, settings, and help. The VarioUltra has 20 and 40 cell options, has aluminum housing, and has a 2-year warranty which includes free cleaning and battery care if sent in 1 time yearly. Hth, Amy Ruell -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Portillo Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:26 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Has anyone compared this to the Vario Ultra? I would love to know any major differences. Sent from my iPhone 6! On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:22 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: It's on special offer till 30 September from Sight and Sound in the UK for £799, including a very nice and sturdy leather carrying case. Andrew On 13 Aug 2015, at 21:59, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Wow, how much does this display cost? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: Listers, It's arrived: my new tiny, 14 cell refreshable Braille display produced by HIMS. Nervous as I was ordering it from Sight and Sound in the UK, I feel I'm gonna love it! it's small and the cells are nice. I've already paired it with my iphone. And by the way, this Braille display can remember 5 different bluetooth devices to which one connects. It also has a USB connection. I know it's going to be a steep learning curve and that I'm going to be asking lots of questions but I've already managed to read using Smart Beetle from Voice Dream Reader and ibooks. The pleasure of reading quietly is intense! I'm delighted. At present it seems that I have to keep my iphone or ipad unlocked in order to use my Smart Beetle. Is this the case in your experience too? Also, Smart Beetle can connect via bluetooth either as a Braille display or as a bluetooth keyboard emulator and it can also work in combo mode, i.e. you can have it connected as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard for more functionality. I can navigate home screens using it, open and close applications, read text, I've written a text message using it, I can use the rotor. However, when in Mail, I couldn't find a way of deleting an email I didn't want to read and I was wondering whether there may be an equivalent of a swiping gesture that Braille display could imitate. I just wonder if you could share what else you can do with your refreshable Braille displays and iPhone? Many thanks for any suggestions Andrew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
Hi Amy, does this firm have a way to pay monthly for the 40 cell product? Andy -Original Message- From: Amy Ruel Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 6:59 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Helli Jim and all, Full disclosure, I work for Baum USA and support the VarioUltra. One of the main differences between this and the Beetle is that the VarioUltra is not just a braille display; It has a suite of applications and can work as a stand alone notetaker with 32 giggs of storage. The applications include word processor, calculator, pdf, powerpoint, and excel viewers, file manager, settings, and help. The VarioUltra has 20 and 40 cell options, has aluminum housing, and has a 2-year warranty which includes free cleaning and battery care if sent in 1 time yearly. Hth, Amy Ruell -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Portillo Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:26 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Has anyone compared this to the Vario Ultra? I would love to know any major differences. Sent from my iPhone 6! On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:22 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: It's on special offer till 30 September from Sight and Sound in the UK for £799, including a very nice and sturdy leather carrying case. Andrew On 13 Aug 2015, at 21:59, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Wow, how much does this display cost? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: Listers, It's arrived: my new tiny, 14 cell refreshable Braille display produced by HIMS. Nervous as I was ordering it from Sight and Sound in the UK, I feel I'm gonna love it! it's small and the cells are nice. I've already paired it with my iphone. And by the way, this Braille display can remember 5 different bluetooth devices to which one connects. It also has a USB connection. I know it's going to be a steep learning curve and that I'm going to be asking lots of questions but I've already managed to read using Smart Beetle from Voice Dream Reader and ibooks. The pleasure of reading quietly is intense! I'm delighted. At present it seems that I have to keep my iphone or ipad unlocked in order to use my Smart Beetle. Is this the case in your experience too? Also, Smart Beetle can connect via bluetooth either as a Braille display or as a bluetooth keyboard emulator and it can also work in combo mode, i.e. you can have it connected as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard for more functionality. I can navigate home screens using it, open and close applications, read text, I've written a text message using it, I can use the rotor. However, when in Mail, I couldn't find a way of deleting an email I didn't want to read and I was wondering whether there may be an equivalent of a swiping gesture that Braille display could imitate. I just wonder if you could share what else you can do with your refreshable Braille displays and iPhone? Many thanks for any suggestions Andrew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed
RE: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
Hello Andy, There is a 6-month option to pay through PayPal without interest for those who qualify. And, since you live close, we could provide you with some orientation and limited training. Let me know if I can provide additional information. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew J. LaPointe Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:11 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Hi Amy, does this firm have a way to pay monthly for the 40 cell product? Andy -Original Message- From: Amy Ruel Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 6:59 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Helli Jim and all, Full disclosure, I work for Baum USA and support the VarioUltra. One of the main differences between this and the Beetle is that the VarioUltra is not just a braille display; It has a suite of applications and can work as a stand alone notetaker with 32 giggs of storage. The applications include word processor, calculator, pdf, powerpoint, and excel viewers, file manager, settings, and help. The VarioUltra has 20 and 40 cell options, has aluminum housing, and has a 2-year warranty which includes free cleaning and battery care if sent in 1 time yearly. Hth, Amy Ruell -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Portillo Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:26 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Has anyone compared this to the Vario Ultra? I would love to know any major differences. Sent from my iPhone 6! On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:22 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: It's on special offer till 30 September from Sight and Sound in the UK for £799, including a very nice and sturdy leather carrying case. Andrew On 13 Aug 2015, at 21:59, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Wow, how much does this display cost? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: Listers, It's arrived: my new tiny, 14 cell refreshable Braille display produced by HIMS. Nervous as I was ordering it from Sight and Sound in the UK, I feel I'm gonna love it! it's small and the cells are nice. I've already paired it with my iphone. And by the way, this Braille display can remember 5 different bluetooth devices to which one connects. It also has a USB connection. I know it's going to be a steep learning curve and that I'm going to be asking lots of questions but I've already managed to read using Smart Beetle from Voice Dream Reader and ibooks. The pleasure of reading quietly is intense! I'm delighted. At present it seems that I have to keep my iphone or ipad unlocked in order to use my Smart Beetle. Is this the case in your experience too? Also, Smart Beetle can connect via bluetooth either as a Braille display or as a bluetooth keyboard emulator and it can also work in combo mode, i.e. you can have it connected as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard for more functionality. I can navigate home screens using it, open and close applications, read text, I've written a text message using it, I can use the rotor. However, when in Mail, I couldn't find a way of deleting an email I didn't want to read and I was wondering whether there may be an equivalent of a swiping gesture that Braille display could imitate. I just wonder if you could share what else you can do with your refreshable Braille displays and iPhone? Many thanks for any suggestions Andrew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
Hi Jim Let me say that I own neither of the two, and have only read about both. So far, I can think of two major differences. 1.: The smart beetle has six dot buttons that can be used for writing. The vario ultra has eight. Soo if you want to regularly write computer braille, the vario might be the better choice for you. w2.: The beetle can also be paired as a keyboard. Although I have to admit I don't really understand what's so special about that, since you can use commands for controlling your iphone with other brailledisplays as well. Something else I just remembered: From waht I read, it's pretty easy to change languages and braille tables with the smart beetle. So if you read more than one language you might like that. Regards Guenni -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
I haven’t seen Vario ultra but reading about it I think I remember that Vario Ultra has 20 cells and not 14 so admittedly allows you more text and less panning but it is very expensive - over £2000 in Britain. On 14 Aug 2015, at 06:26, Jim Portillo portillo@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone compared this to the Vario Ultra? I would love to know any major differences. Sent from my iPhone 6! On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:22 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: It's on special offer till 30 September from Sight and Sound in the UK for £799, including a very nice and sturdy leather carrying case. Andrew On 13 Aug 2015, at 21:59, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Wow, how much does this display cost? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: Listers, It's arrived: my new tiny, 14 cell refreshable Braille display produced by HIMS. Nervous as I was ordering it from Sight and Sound in the UK, I feel I'm gonna love it! it's small and the cells are nice. I've already paired it with my iphone. And by the way, this Braille display can remember 5 different bluetooth devices to which one connects. It also has a USB connection. I know it's going to be a steep learning curve and that I'm going to be asking lots of questions but I've already managed to read using Smart Beetle from Voice Dream Reader and ibooks. The pleasure of reading quietly is intense! I'm delighted. At present it seems that I have to keep my iphone or ipad unlocked in order to use my Smart Beetle. Is this the case in your experience too? Also, Smart Beetle can connect via bluetooth either as a Braille display or as a bluetooth keyboard emulator and it can also work in combo mode, i.e. you can have it connected as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard for more functionality. I can navigate home screens using it, open and close applications, read text, I've written a text message using it, I can use the rotor. However, when in Mail, I couldn't find a way of deleting an email I didn't want to read and I was wondering whether there may be an equivalent of a swiping gesture that Braille display could imitate. I just wonder if you could share what else you can do with your refreshable Braille displays and iPhone? Many thanks for any suggestions Andrew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
Just want to write a correction: Smart Beetle does have 8 keys so that you can write computer braille. The bluetooth keyboard emulation I think has more to do with using it with a mac computer where you can simulate control keys but I don’t understand this well yet. On 14 Aug 2015, at 09:16, Anne Günther ag82...@leseguenni.de wrote: Hi Jim Let me say that I own neither of the two, and have only read about both. So far, I can think of two major differences. 1.: The smart beetle has six dot buttons that can be used for writing. The vario ultra has eight. Soo if you want to regularly write computer braille, the vario might be the better choice for you. w2.: The beetle can also be paired as a keyboard. Although I have to admit I don't really understand what's so special about that, since you can use commands for controlling your iphone with other brailledisplays as well. Something else I just remembered: From waht I read, it's pretty easy to change languages and braille tables with the smart beetle. So if you read more than one language you might like that. Regards Guenni -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
Hi Amy, okay, let me look into this. I have never used or felt a notetaker or braille display but, could very well have good use of it. Where would I be able to get this orientation with the product? -Original Message- From: Amy Ruel Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Hello Andy, There is a 6-month option to pay through PayPal without interest for those who qualify. And, since you live close, we could provide you with some orientation and limited training. Let me know if I can provide additional information. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew J. LaPointe Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:11 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Hi Amy, does this firm have a way to pay monthly for the 40 cell product? Andy -Original Message- From: Amy Ruel Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 6:59 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Helli Jim and all, Full disclosure, I work for Baum USA and support the VarioUltra. One of the main differences between this and the Beetle is that the VarioUltra is not just a braille display; It has a suite of applications and can work as a stand alone notetaker with 32 giggs of storage. The applications include word processor, calculator, pdf, powerpoint, and excel viewers, file manager, settings, and help. The VarioUltra has 20 and 40 cell options, has aluminum housing, and has a 2-year warranty which includes free cleaning and battery care if sent in 1 time yearly. Hth, Amy Ruell -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Portillo Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:26 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Has anyone compared this to the Vario Ultra? I would love to know any major differences. Sent from my iPhone 6! On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:22 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: It's on special offer till 30 September from Sight and Sound in the UK for £799, including a very nice and sturdy leather carrying case. Andrew On 13 Aug 2015, at 21:59, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Wow, how much does this display cost? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: Listers, It's arrived: my new tiny, 14 cell refreshable Braille display produced by HIMS. Nervous as I was ordering it from Sight and Sound in the UK, I feel I'm gonna love it! it's small and the cells are nice. I've already paired it with my iphone. And by the way, this Braille display can remember 5 different bluetooth devices to which one connects. It also has a USB connection. I know it's going to be a steep learning curve and that I'm going to be asking lots of questions but I've already managed to read using Smart Beetle from Voice Dream Reader and ibooks. The pleasure of reading quietly is intense! I'm delighted. At present it seems that I have to keep my iphone or ipad unlocked in order to use my Smart Beetle. Is this the case in your experience too? Also, Smart Beetle can connect via bluetooth either as a Braille display or as a bluetooth keyboard emulator and it can also work in combo mode, i.e. you can have it connected as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard for more functionality. I can navigate home screens using it, open and close applications, read text, I've written a text message using it, I can use the rotor. However, when in Mail, I couldn't find a way of deleting an email I didn't want to read and I was wondering whether there may be an equivalent of a swiping gesture that Braille display could imitate. I just wonder if you could share what else you can do with your refreshable Braille displays and iPhone? Many thanks for any suggestions Andrew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
Andrew, How did you manage to pair it and which of the keyboard settings are you using? I saw one, as demo, but we couldn't pair it at the time and it seemed to be because you had to pair it as Braille Sense, or something. Please tell me what you did etc? I did like the look and feel of it very much and wanted one but ... Carol P - Original Message - From: Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com To: VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 6:47 PM Subject: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Listers, It's arrived: my new tiny, 14 cell refreshable Braille display produced by HIMS. Nervous as I was ordering it from Sight and Sound in the UK, I feel I'm gonna love it! it's small and the cells are nice. I've already paired it with my iphone. And by the way, this Braille display can remember 5 different bluetooth devices to which one connects. It also has a USB connection. I know it's going to be a steep learning curve and that I'm going to be asking lots of questions but I've already managed to read using Smart Beetle from Voice Dream Reader and ibooks. The pleasure of reading quietly is intense! I'm delighted. At present it seems that I have to keep my iphone or ipad unlocked in order to use my Smart Beetle. Is this the case in your experience too? Also, Smart Beetle can connect via bluetooth either as a Braille display or as a bluetooth keyboard emulator and it can also work in combo mode, i.e. you can have it connected as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard for more functionality. I can navigate home screens using it, open and close applications, read text, I've written a text message using it, I can use the rotor. However, when in Mail, I couldn't find a way of deleting an email I didn't want to read and I was wondering whether there may be an equivalent of a swiping gesture that Braille display could imitate. I just wonder if you could share what else you can do with your refreshable Braille displays and iPhone? Many thanks for any suggestions Andrew -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
Hi Andy, At your home or other local location. Thanks. Amy -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew J. LaPointe Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Hi Amy, okay, let me look into this. I have never used or felt a notetaker or braille display but, could very well have good use of it. Where would I be able to get this orientation with the product? -Original Message- From: Amy Ruel Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Hello Andy, There is a 6-month option to pay through PayPal without interest for those who qualify. And, since you live close, we could provide you with some orientation and limited training. Let me know if I can provide additional information. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew J. LaPointe Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:11 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Hi Amy, does this firm have a way to pay monthly for the 40 cell product? Andy -Original Message- From: Amy Ruel Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 6:59 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Helli Jim and all, Full disclosure, I work for Baum USA and support the VarioUltra. One of the main differences between this and the Beetle is that the VarioUltra is not just a braille display; It has a suite of applications and can work as a stand alone notetaker with 32 giggs of storage. The applications include word processor, calculator, pdf, powerpoint, and excel viewers, file manager, settings, and help. The VarioUltra has 20 and 40 cell options, has aluminum housing, and has a 2-year warranty which includes free cleaning and battery care if sent in 1 time yearly. Hth, Amy Ruell -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Portillo Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:26 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Has anyone compared this to the Vario Ultra? I would love to know any major differences. Sent from my iPhone 6! On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:22 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: It's on special offer till 30 September from Sight and Sound in the UK for £799, including a very nice and sturdy leather carrying case. Andrew On 13 Aug 2015, at 21:59, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Wow, how much does this display cost? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: Listers, It's arrived: my new tiny, 14 cell refreshable Braille display produced by HIMS. Nervous as I was ordering it from Sight and Sound in the UK, I feel I'm gonna love it! it's small and the cells are nice. I've already paired it with my iphone. And by the way, this Braille display can remember 5 different bluetooth devices to which one connects. It also has a USB connection. I know it's going to be a steep learning curve and that I'm going to be asking lots of questions but I've already managed to read using Smart Beetle from Voice Dream Reader and ibooks. The pleasure of reading quietly is intense! I'm delighted. At present it seems that I have to keep my iphone or ipad unlocked in order to use my Smart Beetle. Is this the case in your experience too? Also, Smart Beetle can connect via bluetooth either as a Braille display or as a bluetooth keyboard emulator and it can also work in combo mode, i.e. you can have it connected as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard for more functionality. I can navigate home screens using it, open and close applications, read text, I've written a text message using it, I can use the rotor. However, when in Mail, I couldn't find a way of deleting an email I didn't want to read and I was wondering whether there may be an equivalent of a swiping gesture that Braille display could imitate. I just wonder if you could share what else you can do with your refreshable Braille displays and iPhone? Many thanks for any suggestions Andrew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
Hi. I would say that 20 cells is better than 14, but maybe I am wrong, maybe 14 cells are enough? I am in doubt. I have used 8 dots braille for many years now, but you can write the same in 6 dots braille maybe sometimes with 2 commands. As I see it the difference on 6 dots and 8 dots (computerbraille) is not so big. It could be that we will se more 6 dots displays and other devices in the future. Best regards Annie. Den 14/08/2015 kl. 10.16 skrev Anne Günther ag82...@leseguenni.de: Hi Jim Let me say that I own neither of the two, and have only read about both. So far, I can think of two major differences. 1.: The smart beetle has six dot buttons that can be used for writing. The vario ultra has eight. Soo if you want to regularly write computer braille, the vario might be the better choice for you. w2.: The beetle can also be paired as a keyboard. Although I have to admit I don't really understand what's so special about that, since you can use commands for controlling your iphone with other brailledisplays as well. Something else I just remembered: From waht I read, it's pretty easy to change languages and braille tables with the smart beetle. So if you read more than one language you might like that. Regards Guenni -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
20 cell unit is $2395, 40 cell unit is $3995. PayPal with 6 months interest free financing for qualified buyers is also available. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:29 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Wow, that's Pretty cool, but likely expensive so only rehab agencies can really afford it lol. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 14, 2015, at 5:59 AM, Amy Ruel aru...@comcast.net wrote: Helli Jim and all, Full disclosure, I work for Baum USA and support the VarioUltra. One of the main differences between this and the Beetle is that the VarioUltra is not just a braille display; It has a suite of applications and can work as a stand alone notetaker with 32 giggs of storage. The applications include word processor, calculator, pdf, powerpoint, and excel viewers, file manager, settings, and help. The VarioUltra has 20 and 40 cell options, has aluminum housing, and has a 2-year warranty which includes free cleaning and battery care if sent in 1 time yearly. Hth, Amy Ruell -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Portillo Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:26 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Has anyone compared this to the Vario Ultra? I would love to know any major differences. Sent from my iPhone 6! On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:22 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: It's on special offer till 30 September from Sight and Sound in the UK for £799, including a very nice and sturdy leather carrying case. Andrew On 13 Aug 2015, at 21:59, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Wow, how much does this display cost? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: Listers, It's arrived: my new tiny, 14 cell refreshable Braille display produced by HIMS. Nervous as I was ordering it from Sight and Sound in the UK, I feel I'm gonna love it! it's small and the cells are nice. I've already paired it with my iphone. And by the way, this Braille display can remember 5 different bluetooth devices to which one connects. It also has a USB connection. I know it's going to be a steep learning curve and that I'm going to be asking lots of questions but I've already managed to read using Smart Beetle from Voice Dream Reader and ibooks. The pleasure of reading quietly is intense! I'm delighted. At present it seems that I have to keep my iphone or ipad unlocked in order to use my Smart Beetle. Is this the case in your experience too? Also, Smart Beetle can connect via bluetooth either as a Braille display or as a bluetooth keyboard emulator and it can also work in combo mode, i.e. you can have it connected as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard for more functionality. I can navigate home screens using it, open and close applications, read text, I've written a text message using it, I can use the rotor. However, when in Mail, I couldn't find a way of deleting an email I didn't want to read and I was wondering whether there may be an equivalent of a swiping gesture that Braille display could imitate. I just wonder if you could share what else you can do with your refreshable Braille displays and iPhone? Many thanks for any suggestions Andrew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
Hi Jim and all, I have used both devices. The Smart beetle (SB) I returned, the VarioUltra (VU) I am currently trying. I have split this message into two parts. First, to respond to your request, Jim, about the differences, and the second to say why I gave up on the SB. 1. The obvious differences. a. The SB sells for $1300 USD for 14 cells. The VU cells for $2500 USD for 20 cells and a greater amount for 40 cells, though obviously the 40 cell unit cannot be compared to the SB. B. The VU has note taker/file reader/timer functions, which are quite good, but keep in mind that you can buy a note taker for $100 or less these days. The note taker is icing, but it's nice to have a cake with icing. The note taker generally works well. C. Keep in mind that though both devices connect to multiple Bluetooth senders, the SB will emulate a keyboard and a braille display, while the VU will only work as a braille display. This is a serious shortcoming of the VU, you are stuck with the limited set of braille commands provided by your screen reader of choice with the VU, you are not so stuck with the SB. Further, if your screen reader crashes, that's the end of your display's usefulness until you bring it back up from the keyboard when using the VU. With the SB, you switch to keyboard mode, bring your reader back up, and are back in business in braille. 2. the non-obvious differences. A. The VU's firmware is more reliable than the SB's code. The VU has never rebooted on me, loses connection quite rarely, and otherwise behaves better. This was the main reason I returned the SB, I've explained this in greater, I hope not too painfully greater, detail below. B. The support at Baum is, in my respectful view, better than that at Hims. This is not so much a difference in the people, all the support people I've dealt with, both at Baum and Hims, have been excellent and have done their best, but Baum seems to be interested in supporting the device they have a list on which many people from the company post, they return phone calls and emails, and so on, whereas the people at Hims are doing their best but seem not to have sufficient data. C. The VU generally seems more polished and reacts more quickly to commands than the SB. The VU works, at the moment, better with iOS devices, though this advantage will, I hope, soon disappear with the SB being put in Apple's roster of braille displays. See my third issue about iOS below for a better explanation. D. The vu has a lock function. The SB does not. I simply don't understand what the people at Hims were thinking when they didn't include this. E. The VU has poorer battery life than the SB. Note that both charge by USB, battery life with the cheap and easy USB batteries out there is simply not an issue for most people though it may be for people who want every inch of space and want to lighten what they carry. Personally, I'm carrying three USB batteries anyway (computer, FM system, iPhone). F. The SB has fewer shortcuts, particularly for switching between devices, than the VU does. Generally, the VU handles its keyboard better, there are shortcuts for everything and they are simple enough to learn. The SB, though it has fewer functions and could have put in shortcuts for them, generally doesn't. 3. Personal preferences. A. I like the size and shape of the keys more, they are larger and more distinct, on the SB. I like the spacing and positioning of the keys, they are more convenient to type on, on the VU. The VU designers had more space to work with, and they worked with it well, the keys are laid out with the space under the display, the keys above it, and shaped to fit the hand. On the SB, the keys, though larger, feel like they are crammed in. The joystick on the VU is a better navigational instrument than is available on the SB. B. The braille is of a higher quality, in my view, on the VU. There is nothing wrong with the braille on the SB, it's just that the braille on the VU is better on my fingers at least. C. I like the solidity of the VU it seems more solidly built than the SB. I have yet to drop the devices on a concrete floor, and frankly don't plan to. The SB feels chunkier than the VU, the VU feels thinner and may be a bit lighter. Here's what drove me away from the SB, which I initially preferred because of price and size: 1. Most importantly, it didn't work properly. It would have a hard time maintaining Bluetooth connectivity with one device, let alone multiple devices. When I called Hims for support, I was informed that it had not been properly tested with computers, but rather was expected to be used with smaller devices. I was also informed that firmware updates while in the field were probably not happening. I hope that's not true, but I didn't want to take the risk, there is allot of room for changes in the unit and if
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
Hi Carol, Yes, at present you have to pair Smart Beetle as BrailleSense because Apple has not as yet incorporated the Smart Beetle driver into its operating systems. However, HIMS provide instructions on how to make Smart Beetle appear as BrailleSense. Once i took the initial steps to accomplish this on Smart Beetle itself, the pairing went smoothly. Below I'm pasting the instructions as I received them from HIMS. They are also included with the product on a separate Braille sheet. Smart Beetle with Apple products. Note, the below refers to using Smart Beetle with products running Apple's iOS, including iPhone, iPad, and iPod as well as mac computers. At the time of this writing, Apple has not implemented a Smart Beetle specific driver into iOS or the Mac OS. Thus, it has become necessary for us to do a work around in order that you may use your Smart Beetle with i-devices and Mac computers. In short, this work-around allows the Smart Beetle to emulate a Braille Sense notetaker, which is supported in Apple's operating systems. You can turn this emulation on and off simply by changing the Bluetooth name for the Bluetooth Serial port on the Smart Beetle. note: this work-around requires you to use the Smart Beetle via Bluetooth when using a Mac computer. To change the Bluetooth name, please do the following: 1) Press Power-F1, choose BRL and press Enter. The unit displays pairing BRL. 2) Press the Power button to open the menu, and Press the shortcut I to open Information. 3) From the Information list, press (F2-F3-Dot1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8). 4) Return to Information, and confirm the BRL Bluetooth name. Each time you follow these steps, the Bluetooth name is toggled between SmartBeetle and BrailleSense, thus, you can use Smart Beetle in it's normal configuration for other screen readers. In addition, when Apple introduces Smart gheetle support, you will be able to change the Bluetooth name back to Smart Beetle and use it properly from that time. I was nervous at first but I had downloaded the user guide for Smart Beetle from HIMS website and since the description of the unit was very good, I was able to learn a lot about it before I actually put my hands on it. Good luck and ask anything if you wish and I will do my best to answer. Andrew On 14 Aug 2015, at 15:40, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Andrew, How did you manage to pair it and which of the keyboard settings are you using? I saw one, as demo, but we couldn't pair it at the time and it seemed to be because you had to pair it as Braille Sense, or something. Please tell me what you did etc? I did like the look and feel of it very much and wanted one but ... Carol P - Original Message - From: Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com To: VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 6:47 PM Subject: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Listers, It's arrived: my new tiny, 14 cell refreshable Braille display produced by HIMS. Nervous as I was ordering it from Sight and Sound in the UK, I feel I'm gonna love it! it's small and the cells are nice. I've already paired it with my iphone. And by the way, this Braille display can remember 5 different bluetooth devices to which one connects. It also has a USB connection. I know it's going to be a steep learning curve and that I'm going to be asking lots of questions but I've already managed to read using Smart Beetle from Voice Dream Reader and ibooks. The pleasure of reading quietly is intense! I'm delighted. At present it seems that I have to keep my iphone or ipad unlocked in order to use my Smart Beetle. Is this the case in your experience too? Also, Smart Beetle can connect via bluetooth either as a Braille display or as a bluetooth keyboard emulator and it can also work in combo mode, i.e. you can have it connected as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard for more functionality. I can navigate home screens using it, open and close applications, read text, I've written a text message using it, I can use the rotor. However, when in Mail, I couldn't find a way of deleting an email I didn't want to read and I was wondering whether there may be an equivalent of a swiping gesture that Braille display could imitate. I just wonder if you could share what else you can do with your refreshable Braille displays and iPhone? Many thanks for any suggestions Andrew -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
Wow, that's Pretty cool, but likely expensive so only rehab agencies can really afford it lol. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 14, 2015, at 5:59 AM, Amy Ruel aru...@comcast.net wrote: Helli Jim and all, Full disclosure, I work for Baum USA and support the VarioUltra. One of the main differences between this and the Beetle is that the VarioUltra is not just a braille display; It has a suite of applications and can work as a stand alone notetaker with 32 giggs of storage. The applications include word processor, calculator, pdf, powerpoint, and excel viewers, file manager, settings, and help. The VarioUltra has 20 and 40 cell options, has aluminum housing, and has a 2-year warranty which includes free cleaning and battery care if sent in 1 time yearly. Hth, Amy Ruell -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Portillo Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:26 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Has anyone compared this to the Vario Ultra? I would love to know any major differences. Sent from my iPhone 6! On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:22 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: It's on special offer till 30 September from Sight and Sound in the UK for £799, including a very nice and sturdy leather carrying case. Andrew On 13 Aug 2015, at 21:59, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Wow, how much does this display cost? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: Listers, It's arrived: my new tiny, 14 cell refreshable Braille display produced by HIMS. Nervous as I was ordering it from Sight and Sound in the UK, I feel I'm gonna love it! it's small and the cells are nice. I've already paired it with my iphone. And by the way, this Braille display can remember 5 different bluetooth devices to which one connects. It also has a USB connection. I know it's going to be a steep learning curve and that I'm going to be asking lots of questions but I've already managed to read using Smart Beetle from Voice Dream Reader and ibooks. The pleasure of reading quietly is intense! I'm delighted. At present it seems that I have to keep my iphone or ipad unlocked in order to use my Smart Beetle. Is this the case in your experience too? Also, Smart Beetle can connect via bluetooth either as a Braille display or as a bluetooth keyboard emulator and it can also work in combo mode, i.e. you can have it connected as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard for more functionality. I can navigate home screens using it, open and close applications, read text, I've written a text message using it, I can use the rotor. However, when in Mail, I couldn't find a way of deleting an email I didn't want to read and I was wondering whether there may be an equivalent of a swiping gesture that Braille display could imitate. I just wonder if you could share what else you can do with your refreshable Braille displays and iPhone? Many thanks for any suggestions Andrew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
Hi Andrew, Hmm! Wish SS had their act together before my demo. I'd thought, maybe, the use of the Braille Sense, in the manual was perhaps an oversight in not correcting stuff ... as this happens ... but it wasn't, I gather. The other reason that would make me really want this unit is if you could answer Yes definitely to one further point. You may not have done this, but you can use the clipboard setting to temporarily disable the keyboard so that you can write something in your own clipboard, so to speak. In this case, you write quite a bit of text, say, 300 words, then try sending to your iPhone. You get into the clipboard with backspace+enter+C and then send by pressing Enter. In previous Sense products, I've found this to be too slow for me and even unreliable, possibly running out of memory ... I'd love to be able to use this feature, but quickly and not feel I wanted to drink a cuppa whilst waiting. I found it translated the text only as quickly as it did ifyou were brailling directly and were having to wait for it to be translated into the phone, and that wasn't what I wanted! Can you try this out, please, and let me know what you think. Thanks. Thanks also for the instructions you gave below, which I'll keep for further reference. Carol P - Original Message - From: Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com To: VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Hi Carol, Yes, at present you have to pair Smart Beetle as BrailleSense because Apple has not as yet incorporated the Smart Beetle driver into its operating systems. However, HIMS provide instructions on how to make Smart Beetle appear as BrailleSense. Once i took the initial steps to accomplish this on Smart Beetle itself, the pairing went smoothly. Below I'm pasting the instructions as I received them from HIMS. They are also included with the product on a separate Braille sheet. Smart Beetle with Apple products. Note, the below refers to using Smart Beetle with products running Apple's iOS, including iPhone, iPad, and iPod as well as mac computers. At the time of this writing, Apple has not implemented a Smart Beetle specific driver into iOS or the Mac OS. Thus, it has become necessary for us to do a work around in order that you may use your Smart Beetle with i-devices and Mac computers. In short, this work-around allows the Smart Beetle to emulate a Braille Sense notetaker, which is supported in Apple's operating systems. You can turn this emulation on and off simply by changing the Bluetooth name for the Bluetooth Serial port on the Smart Beetle. note: this work-around requires you to use the Smart Beetle via Bluetooth when using a Mac computer. To change the Bluetooth name, please do the following: 1) Press Power-F1, choose BRL and press Enter. The unit displays pairing BRL. 2) Press the Power button to open the menu, and Press the shortcut I to open Information. 3) From the Information list, press (F2-F3-Dot1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8). 4) Return to Information, and confirm the BRL Bluetooth name. Each time you follow these steps, the Bluetooth name is toggled between SmartBeetle and BrailleSense, thus, you can use Smart Beetle in it's normal configuration for other screen readers. In addition, when Apple introduces Smart gheetle support, you will be able to change the Bluetooth name back to Smart Beetle and use it properly from that time. I was nervous at first but I had downloaded the user guide for Smart Beetle from HIMS website and since the description of the unit was very good, I was able to learn a lot about it before I actually put my hands on it. Good luck and ask anything if you wish and I will do my best to answer. Andrew On 14 Aug 2015, at 15:40, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Andrew, How did you manage to pair it and which of the keyboard settings are you using? I saw one, as demo, but we couldn't pair it at the time and it seemed to be because you had to pair it as Braille Sense, or something. Please tell me what you did etc? I did like the look and feel of it very much and wanted one but ... Carol P - Original Message - From: Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com To: VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 6:47 PM Subject: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Listers, It's arrived: my new tiny, 14 cell refreshable Braille display produced by HIMS. Nervous as I was ordering it from Sight and Sound in the UK, I feel I'm gonna love it! it's small and the cells are nice. I've already paired it with my iphone. And by the way, this Braille display can remember 5 different bluetooth devices to which one connects. It also has a USB connection. I know it's going to be a steep learning curve and that I'm going to be asking lots
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
wow, that's pretty good, especially the monthly payments options. I'll have to check this out. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 14, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Amy Ruel aru...@comcast.net wrote: 20 cell unit is $2395, 40 cell unit is $3995. PayPal with 6 months interest free financing for qualified buyers is also available. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:29 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Wow, that's Pretty cool, but likely expensive so only rehab agencies can really afford it lol. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 14, 2015, at 5:59 AM, Amy Ruel aru...@comcast.net wrote: Helli Jim and all, Full disclosure, I work for Baum USA and support the VarioUltra. One of the main differences between this and the Beetle is that the VarioUltra is not just a braille display; It has a suite of applications and can work as a stand alone notetaker with 32 giggs of storage. The applications include word processor, calculator, pdf, powerpoint, and excel viewers, file manager, settings, and help. The VarioUltra has 20 and 40 cell options, has aluminum housing, and has a 2-year warranty which includes free cleaning and battery care if sent in 1 time yearly. Hth, Amy Ruell -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Portillo Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:26 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Has anyone compared this to the Vario Ultra? I would love to know any major differences. Sent from my iPhone 6! On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:22 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: It's on special offer till 30 September from Sight and Sound in the UK for £799, including a very nice and sturdy leather carrying case. Andrew On 13 Aug 2015, at 21:59, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Wow, how much does this display cost? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: Listers, It's arrived: my new tiny, 14 cell refreshable Braille display produced by HIMS. Nervous as I was ordering it from Sight and Sound in the UK, I feel I'm gonna love it! it's small and the cells are nice. I've already paired it with my iphone. And by the way, this Braille display can remember 5 different bluetooth devices to which one connects. It also has a USB connection. I know it's going to be a steep learning curve and that I'm going to be asking lots of questions but I've already managed to read using Smart Beetle from Voice Dream Reader and ibooks. The pleasure of reading quietly is intense! I'm delighted. At present it seems that I have to keep my iphone or ipad unlocked in order to use my Smart Beetle. Is this the case in your experience too? Also, Smart Beetle can connect via bluetooth either as a Braille display or as a bluetooth keyboard emulator and it can also work in combo mode, i.e. you can have it connected as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard for more functionality. I can navigate home screens using it, open and close applications, read text, I've written a text message using it, I can use the rotor. However, when in Mail, I couldn't find a way of deleting an email I didn't want to read and I was wondering whether there may be an equivalent of a swiping gesture that Braille display could imitate. I just wonder if you could share what else you can do with your refreshable Braille displays and iPhone? Many thanks for any suggestions Andrew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
I went on the BAUM website but see nothing about the Paypal thing. I'm very interested. Sent from my iPhone 6! On Aug 14, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Amy Ruel aru...@comcast.net wrote: 20 cell unit is $2395, 40 cell unit is $3995. PayPal with 6 months interest free financing for qualified buyers is also available. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:29 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Wow, that's Pretty cool, but likely expensive so only rehab agencies can really afford it lol. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 14, 2015, at 5:59 AM, Amy Ruel aru...@comcast.net wrote: Helli Jim and all, Full disclosure, I work for Baum USA and support the VarioUltra. One of the main differences between this and the Beetle is that the VarioUltra is not just a braille display; It has a suite of applications and can work as a stand alone notetaker with 32 giggs of storage. The applications include word processor, calculator, pdf, powerpoint, and excel viewers, file manager, settings, and help. The VarioUltra has 20 and 40 cell options, has aluminum housing, and has a 2-year warranty which includes free cleaning and battery care if sent in 1 time yearly. Hth, Amy Ruell -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Portillo Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:26 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Has anyone compared this to the Vario Ultra? I would love to know any major differences. Sent from my iPhone 6! On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:22 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: It's on special offer till 30 September from Sight and Sound in the UK for £799, including a very nice and sturdy leather carrying case. Andrew On 13 Aug 2015, at 21:59, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Wow, how much does this display cost? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: Listers, It's arrived: my new tiny, 14 cell refreshable Braille display produced by HIMS. Nervous as I was ordering it from Sight and Sound in the UK, I feel I'm gonna love it! it's small and the cells are nice. I've already paired it with my iphone. And by the way, this Braille display can remember 5 different bluetooth devices to which one connects. It also has a USB connection. I know it's going to be a steep learning curve and that I'm going to be asking lots of questions but I've already managed to read using Smart Beetle from Voice Dream Reader and ibooks. The pleasure of reading quietly is intense! I'm delighted. At present it seems that I have to keep my iphone or ipad unlocked in order to use my Smart Beetle. Is this the case in your experience too? Also, Smart Beetle can connect via bluetooth either as a Braille display or as a bluetooth keyboard emulator and it can also work in combo mode, i.e. you can have it connected as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard for more functionality. I can navigate home screens using it, open and close applications, read text, I've written a text message using it, I can use the rotor. However, when in Mail, I couldn't find a way of deleting an email I didn't want to read and I was wondering whether there may be an equivalent of a swiping gesture that Braille display could imitate. I just wonder if you could share what else you can do with your refreshable Braille displays and iPhone? Many thanks for any suggestions Andrew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
Hi Andrew, Hmm! Wish SS had their act together before my demo. I'd thought, maybe, the use of the Braille Sense, in the manual was perhaps an oversight in not correcting stuff ... as this happens ... but it wasn't, I gather. The other reason that would make me really want this unit is if you could answer Yes definitely to one further point. You may not have done this, but you can use the clipboard setting to temporarily disable the keyboard so that you can write something in your own clipboard, so to speak. In this case, you write quite a bit of text, say, 300 words, then try sending to your iPhone. You get into the clipboard with backspace+enter+C and then send by pressing Enter. In previous Sense products, I've found this to be too slow for me and even unreliable, possibly running out of memory ... I'd love to be able to use this feature, but quickly and not feel I wanted to drink a cuppa whilst waiting. I found it translated the text only as quickly as it did ifyou were brailling directly and were having to wait for it to be translated into the phone, and that wasn't what I wanted! Can you try this out, please, and let me know what you think. Thanks. Thanks also for the instructions you gave below, which I'll keep for further reference. Carol P - Original Message - From: Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com To: VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Hi Carol, Yes, at present you have to pair Smart Beetle as BrailleSense because Apple has not as yet incorporated the Smart Beetle driver into its operating systems. However, HIMS provide instructions on how to make Smart Beetle appear as BrailleSense. Once i took the initial steps to accomplish this on Smart Beetle itself, the pairing went smoothly. Below I'm pasting the instructions as I received them from HIMS. They are also included with the product on a separate Braille sheet. Smart Beetle with Apple products. Note, the below refers to using Smart Beetle with products running Apple's iOS, including iPhone, iPad, and iPod as well as mac computers. At the time of this writing, Apple has not implemented a Smart Beetle specific driver into iOS or the Mac OS. Thus, it has become necessary for us to do a work around in order that you may use your Smart Beetle with i-devices and Mac computers. In short, this work-around allows the Smart Beetle to emulate a Braille Sense notetaker, which is supported in Apple's operating systems. You can turn this emulation on and off simply by changing the Bluetooth name for the Bluetooth Serial port on the Smart Beetle. note: this work-around requires you to use the Smart Beetle via Bluetooth when using a Mac computer. To change the Bluetooth name, please do the following: 1) Press Power-F1, choose BRL and press Enter. The unit displays pairing BRL. 2) Press the Power button to open the menu, and Press the shortcut I to open Information. 3) From the Information list, press (F2-F3-Dot1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8). 4) Return to Information, and confirm the BRL Bluetooth name. Each time you follow these steps, the Bluetooth name is toggled between SmartBeetle and BrailleSense, thus, you can use Smart Beetle in it's normal configuration for other screen readers. In addition, when Apple introduces Smart gheetle support, you will be able to change the Bluetooth name back to Smart Beetle and use it properly from that time. I was nervous at first but I had downloaded the user guide for Smart Beetle from HIMS website and since the description of the unit was very good, I was able to learn a lot about it before I actually put my hands on it. Good luck and ask anything if you wish and I will do my best to answer. Andrew On 14 Aug 2015, at 15:40, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Andrew, How did you manage to pair it and which of the keyboard settings are you using? I saw one, as demo, but we couldn't pair it at the time and it seemed to be because you had to pair it as Braille Sense, or something. Please tell me what you did etc? I did like the look and feel of it very much and wanted one but ... Carol P - Original Message - From: Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com To: VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 6:47 PM Subject: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Listers, It's arrived: my new tiny, 14 cell refreshable Braille display produced by HIMS. Nervous as I was ordering it from Sight and Sound in the UK, I feel I'm gonna love it! it's small and the cells are nice. I've already paired it with my iphone. And by the way, this Braille display can remember 5 different bluetooth devices to which one connects. It also has a USB connection. I know it's going to be a steep learning curve and that I'm going to be asking lots
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
The information is at http://shop.baumusa.com/ Sent from my iPhone On Aug 14, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Jim Portillo portillo@gmail.com wrote: I went on the BAUM website but see nothing about the Paypal thing. I'm very interested. Sent from my iPhone 6! On Aug 14, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Amy Ruel aru...@comcast.net wrote: 20 cell unit is $2395, 40 cell unit is $3995. PayPal with 6 months interest free financing for qualified buyers is also available. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:29 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Wow, that's Pretty cool, but likely expensive so only rehab agencies can really afford it lol. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 14, 2015, at 5:59 AM, Amy Ruel aru...@comcast.net wrote: Helli Jim and all, Full disclosure, I work for Baum USA and support the VarioUltra. One of the main differences between this and the Beetle is that the VarioUltra is not just a braille display; It has a suite of applications and can work as a stand alone notetaker with 32 giggs of storage. The applications include word processor, calculator, pdf, powerpoint, and excel viewers, file manager, settings, and help. The VarioUltra has 20 and 40 cell options, has aluminum housing, and has a 2-year warranty which includes free cleaning and battery care if sent in 1 time yearly. Hth, Amy Ruell -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Portillo Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:26 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Has anyone compared this to the Vario Ultra? I would love to know any major differences. Sent from my iPhone 6! On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:22 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: It's on special offer till 30 September from Sight and Sound in the UK for £799, including a very nice and sturdy leather carrying case. Andrew On 13 Aug 2015, at 21:59, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Wow, how much does this display cost? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: Listers, It's arrived: my new tiny, 14 cell refreshable Braille display produced by HIMS. Nervous as I was ordering it from Sight and Sound in the UK, I feel I'm gonna love it! it's small and the cells are nice. I've already paired it with my iphone. And by the way, this Braille display can remember 5 different bluetooth devices to which one connects. It also has a USB connection. I know it's going to be a steep learning curve and that I'm going to be asking lots of questions but I've already managed to read using Smart Beetle from Voice Dream Reader and ibooks. The pleasure of reading quietly is intense! I'm delighted. At present it seems that I have to keep my iphone or ipad unlocked in order to use my Smart Beetle. Is this the case in your experience too? Also, Smart Beetle can connect via bluetooth either as a Braille display or as a bluetooth keyboard emulator and it can also work in combo mode, i.e. you can have it connected as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard for more functionality. I can navigate home screens using it, open and close applications, read text, I've written a text message using it, I can use the rotor. However, when in Mail, I couldn't find a way of deleting an email I didn't want to read and I was wondering whether there may be an equivalent of a swiping gesture that Braille display could imitate. I just wonder if you could share what else you can do with your refreshable Braille displays and iPhone? Many thanks for any suggestions Andrew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
It may have been a good idea, but was pretty confusing for a few of us when first we got hands on and, in fact, I may have purchased, had I been given clearer instruction to pair. As it was, my demo never got going and I'm really very disappointed. I just have to speak as I found things. Now, until I am sure it's going to meet my needs, I hardly can request another demo. Carol P Sent from my iPhone using MBraille On 15 Aug 2015, at 3:37 am, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: HIMS still has to wait until Apple releases support for the Smart Beetle, so except for just postponing the availability of the Smart Beetle, I'm not sure what HIMS could have done to get their act together. In fact, I think making the Smart Beetle use the Braille Sense protocol is a pretty good idea. On 08/14/2015 04:58 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone wrote: Hi Andrew, Hmm! Wish SS had their act together before my demo. I'd thought, maybe, the use of the Braille Sense, in the manual was perhaps an oversight in not correcting stuff ... as this happens ... but it wasn't, I gather. The other reason that would make me really want this unit is if you could answer Yes definitely to one further point. You may not have done this, but you can use the clipboard setting to temporarily disable the keyboard so that you can write something in your own clipboard, so to speak. In this case, you write quite a bit of text, say, 300 words, then try sending to your iPhone. You get into the clipboard with backspace+enter+C and then send by pressing Enter. In previous Sense products, I've found this to be too slow for me and even unreliable, possibly running out of memory ... I'd love to be able to use this feature, but quickly and not feel I wanted to drink a cuppa whilst waiting. I found it translated the text only as quickly as it did ifyou were brailling directly and were having to wait for it to be translated into the phone, and that wasn't what I wanted! Can you try this out, please, and let me know what you think. Thanks. Thanks also for the instructions you gave below, which I'll keep for further reference. Carol P - Original Message - From: Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com To: VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Hi Carol, Yes, at present you have to pair Smart Beetle as BrailleSense because Apple has not as yet incorporated the Smart Beetle driver into its operating systems. However, HIMS provide instructions on how to make Smart Beetle appear as BrailleSense. Once i took the initial steps to accomplish this on Smart Beetle itself, the pairing went smoothly. Below I'm pasting the instructions as I received them from HIMS. They are also included with the product on a separate Braille sheet. Smart Beetle with Apple products. Note, the below refers to using Smart Beetle with products running Apple's iOS, including iPhone, iPad, and iPod as well as mac computers. At the time of this writing, Apple has not implemented a Smart Beetle specific driver into iOS or the Mac OS. Thus, it has become necessary for us to do a work around in order that you may use your Smart Beetle with i-devices and Mac computers. In short, this work-around allows the Smart Beetle to emulate a Braille Sense notetaker, which is supported in Apple's operating systems. You can turn this emulation on and off simply by changing the Bluetooth name for the Bluetooth Serial port on the Smart Beetle. note: this work-around requires you to use the Smart Beetle via Bluetooth when using a Mac computer. To change the Bluetooth name, please do the following: 1) Press Power-F1, choose BRL and press Enter. The unit displays pairing BRL. 2) Press the Power button to open the menu, and Press the shortcut I to open Information. 3) From the Information list, press (F2-F3-Dot1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8). 4) Return to Information, and confirm the BRL Bluetooth name. Each time you follow these steps, the Bluetooth name is toggled between SmartBeetle and BrailleSense, thus, you can use Smart Beetle in it's normal configuration for other screen readers. In addition, when Apple introduces Smart gheetle support, you will be able to change the Bluetooth name back to Smart Beetle and use it properly from that time. I was nervous at first but I had downloaded the user guide for Smart Beetle from HIMS website and since the description of the unit was very good, I was able to learn a lot about it before I actually put my hands on it. Good luck and ask anything if you wish and I will do my best to answer. Andrew On 14 Aug 2015, at 15:40, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Andrew, How did you manage to pair it and which of the keyboard settings are you using? I saw one, as demo, but we couldn't pair
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
HIMS still has to wait until Apple releases support for the Smart Beetle, so except for just postponing the availability of the Smart Beetle, I'm not sure what HIMS could have done to get their act together. In fact, I think making the Smart Beetle use the Braille Sense protocol is a pretty good idea. On 08/14/2015 04:58 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone wrote: Hi Andrew, Hmm! Wish SS had their act together before my demo. I'd thought, maybe, the use of the Braille Sense, in the manual was perhaps an oversight in not correcting stuff ... as this happens ... but it wasn't, I gather. The other reason that would make me really want this unit is if you could answer Yes definitely to one further point. You may not have done this, but you can use the clipboard setting to temporarily disable the keyboard so that you can write something in your own clipboard, so to speak. In this case, you write quite a bit of text, say, 300 words, then try sending to your iPhone. You get into the clipboard with backspace+enter+C and then send by pressing Enter. In previous Sense products, I've found this to be too slow for me and even unreliable, possibly running out of memory ... I'd love to be able to use this feature, but quickly and not feel I wanted to drink a cuppa whilst waiting. I found it translated the text only as quickly as it did ifyou were brailling directly and were having to wait for it to be translated into the phone, and that wasn't what I wanted! Can you try this out, please, and let me know what you think. Thanks. Thanks also for the instructions you gave below, which I'll keep for further reference. Carol P - Original Message - From: Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com To: VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Hi Carol, Yes, at present you have to pair Smart Beetle as BrailleSense because Apple has not as yet incorporated the Smart Beetle driver into its operating systems. However, HIMS provide instructions on how to make Smart Beetle appear as BrailleSense. Once i took the initial steps to accomplish this on Smart Beetle itself, the pairing went smoothly. Below I'm pasting the instructions as I received them from HIMS. They are also included with the product on a separate Braille sheet. Smart Beetle with Apple products. Note, the below refers to using Smart Beetle with products running Apple's iOS, including iPhone, iPad, and iPod as well as mac computers. At the time of this writing, Apple has not implemented a Smart Beetle specific driver into iOS or the Mac OS. Thus, it has become necessary for us to do a work around in order that you may use your Smart Beetle with i-devices and Mac computers. In short, this work-around allows the Smart Beetle to emulate a Braille Sense notetaker, which is supported in Apple's operating systems. You can turn this emulation on and off simply by changing the Bluetooth name for the Bluetooth Serial port on the Smart Beetle. note: this work-around requires you to use the Smart Beetle via Bluetooth when using a Mac computer. To change the Bluetooth name, please do the following: 1) Press Power-F1, choose BRL and press Enter. The unit displays pairing BRL. 2) Press the Power button to open the menu, and Press the shortcut I to open Information. 3) From the Information list, press (F2-F3-Dot1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8). 4) Return to Information, and confirm the BRL Bluetooth name. Each time you follow these steps, the Bluetooth name is toggled between SmartBeetle and BrailleSense, thus, you can use Smart Beetle in it's normal configuration for other screen readers. In addition, when Apple introduces Smart gheetle support, you will be able to change the Bluetooth name back to Smart Beetle and use it properly from that time. I was nervous at first but I had downloaded the user guide for Smart Beetle from HIMS website and since the description of the unit was very good, I was able to learn a lot about it before I actually put my hands on it. Good luck and ask anything if you wish and I will do my best to answer. Andrew On 14 Aug 2015, at 15:40, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Andrew, How did you manage to pair it and which of the keyboard settings are you using? I saw one, as demo, but we couldn't pair it at the time and it seemed to be because you had to pair it as Braille Sense, or something. Please tell me what you did etc? I did like the look and feel of it very much and wanted one but ... Carol P - Original Message - From: Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com To: VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 6:47 PM Subject: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Listers, It's arrived: my new tiny, 14 cell refreshable Braille display produced by HIMS. Nervous as I was ordering it from Sight and Sound in the UK, I feel
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Absolutely! If I can do monthly payments, I am in! Sent from my iPhone 6! On Aug 14, 2015, at 5:28 PM, Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com wrote: wow, that's pretty good, especially the monthly payments options. I'll have to check this out. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 14, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Amy Ruel aru...@comcast.net wrote: 20 cell unit is $2395, 40 cell unit is $3995. PayPal with 6 months interest free financing for qualified buyers is also available. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:29 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Wow, that's Pretty cool, but likely expensive so only rehab agencies can really afford it lol. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 14, 2015, at 5:59 AM, Amy Ruel aru...@comcast.net wrote: Helli Jim and all, Full disclosure, I work for Baum USA and support the VarioUltra. One of the main differences between this and the Beetle is that the VarioUltra is not just a braille display; It has a suite of applications and can work as a stand alone notetaker with 32 giggs of storage. The applications include word processor, calculator, pdf, powerpoint, and excel viewers, file manager, settings, and help. The VarioUltra has 20 and 40 cell options, has aluminum housing, and has a 2-year warranty which includes free cleaning and battery care if sent in 1 time yearly. Hth, Amy Ruell -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Portillo Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:26 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Has anyone compared this to the Vario Ultra? I would love to know any major differences. Sent from my iPhone 6! On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:22 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: It's on special offer till 30 September from Sight and Sound in the UK for £799, including a very nice and sturdy leather carrying case. Andrew On 13 Aug 2015, at 21:59, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Wow, how much does this display cost? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: Listers, It's arrived: my new tiny, 14 cell refreshable Braille display produced by HIMS. Nervous as I was ordering it from Sight and Sound in the UK, I feel I'm gonna love it! it's small and the cells are nice. I've already paired it with my iphone. And by the way, this Braille display can remember 5 different bluetooth devices to which one connects. It also has a USB connection. I know it's going to be a steep learning curve and that I'm going to be asking lots of questions but I've already managed to read using Smart Beetle from Voice Dream Reader and ibooks. The pleasure of reading quietly is intense! I'm delighted. At present it seems that I have to keep my iphone or ipad unlocked in order to use my Smart Beetle. Is this the case in your experience too? Also, Smart Beetle can connect via bluetooth either as a Braille display or as a bluetooth keyboard emulator and it can also work in combo mode, i.e. you can have it connected as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard for more functionality. I can navigate home screens using it, open and close applications, read text, I've written a text message using it, I can use the rotor. However, when in Mail, I couldn't find a way of deleting an email I didn't want to read and I was wondering whether there may be an equivalent of a swiping gesture that Braille display could imitate. I just wonder if you could share what else you can do with your refreshable Braille displays and iPhone? Many thanks for any suggestions Andrew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
Listers, It's arrived: my new tiny, 14 cell refreshable Braille display produced by HIMS. Nervous as I was ordering it from Sight and Sound in the UK, I feel I'm gonna love it! it's small and the cells are nice. I've already paired it with my iphone. And by the way, this Braille display can remember 5 different bluetooth devices to which one connects. It also has a USB connection. I know it's going to be a steep learning curve and that I'm going to be asking lots of questions but I've already managed to read using Smart Beetle from Voice Dream Reader and ibooks. The pleasure of reading quietly is intense! I'm delighted. At present it seems that I have to keep my iphone or ipad unlocked in order to use my Smart Beetle. Is this the case in your experience too? Also, Smart Beetle can connect via bluetooth either as a Braille display or as a bluetooth keyboard emulator and it can also work in combo mode, i.e. you can have it connected as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard for more functionality. I can navigate home screens using it, open and close applications, read text, I've written a text message using it, I can use the rotor. However, when in Mail, I couldn't find a way of deleting an email I didn't want to read and I was wondering whether there may be an equivalent of a swiping gesture that Braille display could imitate. I just wonder if you could share what else you can do with your refreshable Braille displays and iPhone? Many thanks for any suggestions Andrew -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
You have to keep the device unlocked for all braille displays. When you lock the device, the screen blanks out, so sighted people can't read on their device when locked either. If you have the rotor on action, I believe it is spacebar plus dots 3,4,5,6 or dots 1,4,5,6 to swipe up or down like you would with one finger and then the delete option will show up and you can activate delete with space plus dots 3,6. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lamanche Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 10:48 AM To: VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com Subject: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Listers, It's arrived: my new tiny, 14 cell refreshable Braille display produced by HIMS. Nervous as I was ordering it from Sight and Sound in the UK, I feel I'm gonna love it! it's small and the cells are nice. I've already paired it with my iphone. And by the way, this Braille display can remember 5 different bluetooth devices to which one connects. It also has a USB connection. I know it's going to be a steep learning curve and that I'm going to be asking lots of questions but I've already managed to read using Smart Beetle from Voice Dream Reader and ibooks. The pleasure of reading quietly is intense! I'm delighted. At present it seems that I have to keep my iphone or ipad unlocked in order to use my Smart Beetle. Is this the case in your experience too? Also, Smart Beetle can connect via bluetooth either as a Braille display or as a bluetooth keyboard emulator and it can also work in combo mode, i.e. you can have it connected as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard for more functionality. I can navigate home screens using it, open and close applications, read text, I've written a text message using it, I can use the rotor. However, when in Mail, I couldn't find a way of deleting an email I didn't want to read and I was wondering whether there may be an equivalent of a swiping gesture that Braille display could imitate. I just wonder if you could share what else you can do with your refreshable Braille displays and iPhone? Many thanks for any suggestions Andrew -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
To flick up or down on an iPhone with one finger using a Braille display, you press space with dot 3 to flick up and space with dot 6 to flick down, respectively. Space with dots 1-4-56 will scroll down the screen, and space with dots 3-4-5-6 will scroll up the screen. Thanks, Ari On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner richardturne...@outlook.com wrote: You have to keep the device unlocked for all braille displays. When you lock the device, the screen blanks out, so sighted people can't read on their device when locked either. If you have the rotor on action, I believe it is spacebar plus dots 3,4,5,6 or dots 1,4,5,6 to swipe up or down like you would with one finger and then the delete option will show up and you can activate delete with space plus dots 3,6. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lamanche Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 10:48 AM To: VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com Subject: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Listers, It's arrived: my new tiny, 14 cell refreshable Braille display produced by HIMS. Nervous as I was ordering it from Sight and Sound in the UK, I feel I'm gonna love it! it's small and the cells are nice. I've already paired it with my iphone. And by the way, this Braille display can remember 5 different bluetooth devices to which one connects. It also has a USB connection. I know it's going to be a steep learning curve and that I'm going to be asking lots of questions but I've already managed to read using Smart Beetle from Voice Dream Reader and ibooks. The pleasure of reading quietly is intense! I'm delighted. At present it seems that I have to keep my iphone or ipad unlocked in order to use my Smart Beetle. Is this the case in your experience too? Also, Smart Beetle can connect via bluetooth either as a Braille display or as a bluetooth keyboard emulator and it can also work in combo mode, i.e. you can have it connected as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard for more functionality. I can navigate home screens using it, open and close applications, read text, I've written a text message using it, I can use the rotor. However, when in Mail, I couldn't find a way of deleting an email I didn't want to read and I was wondering whether there may be an equivalent of a swiping gesture that Braille display could imitate. I just wonder if you could share what else you can do with your refreshable Braille displays and iPhone? Many thanks for any suggestions Andrew -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
Richard, This is very helpful. Thank you very much. Also, are you aware of any podcasts / training materials on the use of refreshable Braille display with iOS devices? I'm also puzzled about this feature of Smart Beetle being able to emulate a bluetooth keyboard. Are you aware of this? Have you come across it? It seems to me that in the bluetooth keyboard mode, when paired with the device one could perform some additional tasks emulating the keyboard keys combination lie control, arrow keys etc. Have you heard of this? Many thanks again Andrew On 13 Aug 2015, at 18:59, Richard Turner richardturne...@outlook.com wrote: You have to keep the device unlocked for all braille displays. When you lock the device, the screen blanks out, so sighted people can't read on their device when locked either. If you have the rotor on action, I believe it is spacebar plus dots 3,4,5,6 or dots 1,4,5,6 to swipe up or down like you would with one finger and then the delete option will show up and you can activate delete with space plus dots 3,6. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lamanche Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 10:48 AM To: VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com Subject: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Listers, It's arrived: my new tiny, 14 cell refreshable Braille display produced by HIMS. Nervous as I was ordering it from Sight and Sound in the UK, I feel I'm gonna love it! it's small and the cells are nice. I've already paired it with my iphone. And by the way, this Braille display can remember 5 different bluetooth devices to which one connects. It also has a USB connection. I know it's going to be a steep learning curve and that I'm going to be asking lots of questions but I've already managed to read using Smart Beetle from Voice Dream Reader and ibooks. The pleasure of reading quietly is intense! I'm delighted. At present it seems that I have to keep my iphone or ipad unlocked in order to use my Smart Beetle. Is this the case in your experience too? Also, Smart Beetle can connect via bluetooth either as a Braille display or as a bluetooth keyboard emulator and it can also work in combo mode, i.e. you can have it connected as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard for more functionality. I can navigate home screens using it, open and close applications, read text, I've written a text message using it, I can use the rotor. However, when in Mail, I couldn't find a way of deleting an email I didn't want to read and I was wondering whether there may be an equivalent of a swiping gesture that Braille display could imitate. I just wonder if you could share what else you can do with your refreshable Braille displays and iPhone? Many thanks for any suggestions Andrew -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
Wow, how much does this display cost? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: Listers, It's arrived: my new tiny, 14 cell refreshable Braille display produced by HIMS. Nervous as I was ordering it from Sight and Sound in the UK, I feel I'm gonna love it! it's small and the cells are nice. I've already paired it with my iphone. And by the way, this Braille display can remember 5 different bluetooth devices to which one connects. It also has a USB connection. I know it's going to be a steep learning curve and that I'm going to be asking lots of questions but I've already managed to read using Smart Beetle from Voice Dream Reader and ibooks. The pleasure of reading quietly is intense! I'm delighted. At present it seems that I have to keep my iphone or ipad unlocked in order to use my Smart Beetle. Is this the case in your experience too? Also, Smart Beetle can connect via bluetooth either as a Braille display or as a bluetooth keyboard emulator and it can also work in combo mode, i.e. you can have it connected as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard for more functionality. I can navigate home screens using it, open and close applications, read text, I've written a text message using it, I can use the rotor. However, when in Mail, I couldn't find a way of deleting an email I didn't want to read and I was wondering whether there may be an equivalent of a swiping gesture that Braille display could imitate. I just wonder if you could share what else you can do with your refreshable Braille displays and iPhone? Many thanks for any suggestions Andrew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
It's on special offer till 30 September from Sight and Sound in the UK for £799, including a very nice and sturdy leather carrying case. Andrew On 13 Aug 2015, at 21:59, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Wow, how much does this display cost? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: Listers, It's arrived: my new tiny, 14 cell refreshable Braille display produced by HIMS. Nervous as I was ordering it from Sight and Sound in the UK, I feel I'm gonna love it! it's small and the cells are nice. I've already paired it with my iphone. And by the way, this Braille display can remember 5 different bluetooth devices to which one connects. It also has a USB connection. I know it's going to be a steep learning curve and that I'm going to be asking lots of questions but I've already managed to read using Smart Beetle from Voice Dream Reader and ibooks. The pleasure of reading quietly is intense! I'm delighted. At present it seems that I have to keep my iphone or ipad unlocked in order to use my Smart Beetle. Is this the case in your experience too? Also, Smart Beetle can connect via bluetooth either as a Braille display or as a bluetooth keyboard emulator and it can also work in combo mode, i.e. you can have it connected as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard for more functionality. I can navigate home screens using it, open and close applications, read text, I've written a text message using it, I can use the rotor. However, when in Mail, I couldn't find a way of deleting an email I didn't want to read and I was wondering whether there may be an equivalent of a swiping gesture that Braille display could imitate. I just wonder if you could share what else you can do with your refreshable Braille displays and iPhone? Many thanks for any suggestions Andrew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display
Has anyone compared this to the Vario Ultra? I would love to know any major differences. Sent from my iPhone 6! On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:22 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: It's on special offer till 30 September from Sight and Sound in the UK for £799, including a very nice and sturdy leather carrying case. Andrew On 13 Aug 2015, at 21:59, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Wow, how much does this display cost? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: Listers, It's arrived: my new tiny, 14 cell refreshable Braille display produced by HIMS. Nervous as I was ordering it from Sight and Sound in the UK, I feel I'm gonna love it! it's small and the cells are nice. I've already paired it with my iphone. And by the way, this Braille display can remember 5 different bluetooth devices to which one connects. It also has a USB connection. I know it's going to be a steep learning curve and that I'm going to be asking lots of questions but I've already managed to read using Smart Beetle from Voice Dream Reader and ibooks. The pleasure of reading quietly is intense! I'm delighted. At present it seems that I have to keep my iphone or ipad unlocked in order to use my Smart Beetle. Is this the case in your experience too? Also, Smart Beetle can connect via bluetooth either as a Braille display or as a bluetooth keyboard emulator and it can also work in combo mode, i.e. you can have it connected as a Braille display and as a bluetooth keyboard for more functionality. I can navigate home screens using it, open and close applications, read text, I've written a text message using it, I can use the rotor. However, when in Mail, I couldn't find a way of deleting an email I didn't want to read and I was wondering whether there may be an equivalent of a swiping gesture that Braille display could imitate. I just wonder if you could share what else you can do with your refreshable Braille displays and iPhone? Many thanks for any suggestions Andrew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send
