Re: poorquality of voices

2016-09-16 Thread Robin 

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At 07:38 PM 9/15/2016, you wrote:
Sorry, I was just assuming Apple was paying some royalties to Nuance 
to use their voices, so just like any other customer, they'd have 
the right to raise the issue with their supplier. I also assume 
Nuance gets quite a bit of mileage out of having their voices on 
such a popular device, so again, I'd think that would give Apple 
some influence with Nuance. Apple could also go to another company 
if they didn't think Nuance was providing the quality they expect 
from their suppliers and want to include in their devices. If Apple 
includes substandard parts in their devices then yes I think they 
have some responsibility for that decision.


You're right though, I can't prove anything, and I don't know the 
details of Apple's deal with Nuance, so I was wrong for bringing it up.


On 15/09/16 21:22, Mary Otten wrote:
Unless you know that Apple has input into this whole deal, or you 
can prove that the exact same voices are used elsewhere and don't 
have this problem, I don't think you can blame Apple for the crappy 
voices. Where Apple could improve would be either to insist that 
nuance up their game, which would be nice. And they could, spoken 
from a non-programming point of you of course, open it up, so that 
we can use voice is obtained through other sources, such as voice dream reader.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2016, at 6:43 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
 wrote:


You're right, but Apple chooses to use and upgrade these voices, 
and I'm sure they also have some influence with Nuance, so I think 
it's fair to let Apple share some of the responsibility.




On 15/09/16 14:22, Devin Prater wrote:
Apple gets these voices from Neuance. When an update comes out, Apple
updates the voices, so it isn't really Apple's fault. I do know what you
mean about Samantha. I use Alex, or Fred.

Devin Pratersent from Gmail.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Chantal Oakes > wrote:

   Hello Dan, I echo what you are saying. The quality of voices are
   very poor with this new update.  One often wonders why they touch
   what isn't broken. The voices were not bad before they should just
   have left it alone. Just my opinion.

   Chantal Oakes

   On Sep 15, 2016, at 7:29 AM, Dan > wrote:


   Hi,


   I am wondering if this is really the case or if it is just my phone.


   I am using a Iphone 6.  I am running the new IOS 10.


   Even back in IOS 9 on an Iphone 5 I noticed that even high quality
   voices had a sort of hissy or fuzzy quality to them.   I found
   that the lower quality Siri voice actually sounded better than the
   high quality voice.


   With IOS 10 the problem is still there and may actually be worse.
   I have downloaded several of the new voices trying to find one
   that sounded clearer but there doesn't seem to be one.


   Am I alone in this?


   Dan Beaver

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Re: poorquality of voices

2016-09-16 Thread rajmund 

Hi Mary,
I have to agree with Cristopher here.  If you look at the voices 
for NVDA, from Vocaliser, or on android, or anywhere else, they 
are much smaller, and sound different.  Apple and Nuance can be 
blamed just as much, equally.


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Subject: Re: poorquality of voices

Unless you know that Apple has input into this whole deal, or you 
can prove that the exact same voices are used elsewhere and don't 
have this problem, I don't think you can blame Apple for the 
crappy voices.  Where Apple could improve would be either to 
insist that nuance up their game, which would be nice.  And they 
could, spoken from a non-programming point of you of course, open 
it up, so that we can use voice is obtained through other 
sources, such as voice dream reader.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2016, at 6:43 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
<chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:


You're right, but Apple chooses to use and upgrade these voices, 
and I'm sure they also have some influence with Nuance, so I 
think it's fair to let Apple share some of the responsibility.



On 15/09/16 14:22, Devin Prater wrote:
Apple gets these voices from Neuance.  When an update comes out, 
Apple
updates the voices, so it isn't really Apple's fault.  I do know 
what you

mean about Samantha.  I use Alex, or Fred.

Devin Pratersent from Gmail.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Chantal Oakes 
<chantaloa...@shaw.ca

<mailto:chantaloa...@shaw.ca>> wrote:

   Hello Dan, I echo what you are saying.  The quality of voices 
are
   very poor with this new update.  One often wonders why they 
touch
   what isn't broken.  The voices were not bad before they 
should just

   have left it alone.  Just my opinion.

   Chantal Oakes

   On Sep 15, 2016, at 7:29 AM, Dan <dbeaver...@gmail.com
   <mailto:dbeaver...@gmail.com>> wrote:

   Hi,


   I am wondering if this is really the case or if it is just my 
phone.



   I am using a Iphone 6.  I am running the new IOS 10.


   Even back in IOS 9 on an Iphone 5 I noticed that even high 
quality
   voices had a sort of hissy or fuzzy quality to them.   I 
found
   that the lower quality Siri voice actually sounded better 
than the

   high quality voice.


   With IOS 10 the problem is still there and may actually be 
worse.
   I have downloaded several of the new voices trying to find 
one

   that sounded clearer but there doesn't seem to be one.


   Am I alone in this?


   Dan Beaver

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Re: poorquality of voices

2016-09-16 Thread SoonerAnnie 

I try other voices briefly but always go back to compact Samantha! She's like 
an old friend now! Smile. 

Ann 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2016, at 9:57 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Well, given the fact that there are apparently plenty of people on these 
> lists who don't think the voices  are problem, maybe Apple isn't hearing a 
> lot from people who do think they are problem. And maybe they don't know. 
> After all, the number of people who use these voices, compared to the number 
> of overall customers, is exceedingly small. So raise your voice. I know I 
> have requested that they open up their system to the point where we can use 
> other voices that they don't provide. And that hasn't gotten me anywhere.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry, I was just assuming Apple was paying some royalties to Nuance to use 
>> their voices, so just like any other customer, they'd have the right to 
>> raise the issue with their supplier. I also assume Nuance gets quite a bit 
>> of mileage out of having their voices on such a popular device, so again, 
>> I'd think that would give Apple some influence with Nuance. Apple could also 
>> go to another company if they didn't think Nuance was providing the quality 
>> they expect from their suppliers and want to include in their devices. If 
>> Apple includes substandard parts in their devices then yes I think they have 
>> some responsibility for that decision.
>> 
>> You're right though, I can't prove anything, and I don't know the details of 
>> Apple's deal with Nuance, so I was wrong for bringing it up.
>> 
>>> On 15/09/16 21:22, Mary Otten wrote:
>>> Unless you know that Apple has input into this whole deal, or you can prove 
>>> that the exact same voices are used elsewhere and don't have this problem, 
>>> I don't think you can blame Apple for the crappy voices. Where Apple could 
>>> improve would be either to insist that nuance up their game, which would be 
>>> nice. And they could, spoken from a non-programming point of you of course, 
>>> open it up, so that we can use voice is obtained through other sources, 
>>> such as voice dream reader.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 15, 2016, at 6:43 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
 wrote:
 
 You're right, but Apple chooses to use and upgrade these voices, and I'm 
 sure they also have some influence with Nuance, so I think it's fair to 
 let Apple share some of the responsibility.
 
 
> On 15/09/16 14:22, Devin Prater wrote:
> Apple gets these voices from Neuance. When an update comes out, Apple
> updates the voices, so it isn't really Apple's fault. I do know what you
> mean about Samantha. I use Alex, or Fred.
> 
> Devin Pratersent from Gmail.
> 
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Chantal Oakes  > wrote:
> 
>  Hello Dan, I echo what you are saying. The quality of voices are
>  very poor with this new update.  One often wonders why they touch
>  what isn't broken. The voices were not bad before they should just
>  have left it alone. Just my opinion.
> 
>  Chantal Oakes
> 
>  On Sep 15, 2016, at 7:29 AM, Dan   > wrote:
> 
>>  Hi,
>> 
>> 
>>  I am wondering if this is really the case or if it is just my phone.
>> 
>> 
>>  I am using a Iphone 6.  I am running the new IOS 10.
>> 
>> 
>>  Even back in IOS 9 on an Iphone 5 I noticed that even high quality
>>  voices had a sort of hissy or fuzzy quality to them.   I found
>>  that the lower quality Siri voice actually sounded better than the
>>  high quality voice.
>> 
>> 
>>  With IOS 10 the problem is still there and may actually be worse.
>>  I have downloaded several of the new voices trying to find one
>>  that sounded clearer but there doesn't seem to be one.
>> 
>> 
>>  Am I alone in this?
>> 
>> 
>>  Dan Beaver
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Re: poorquality of voices

2016-09-15 Thread Mary Otten 
Well, given the fact that there are apparently plenty of people on these lists 
who don't think the voices  are problem, maybe Apple isn't hearing a lot from 
people who do think they are problem. And maybe they don't know. After all, the 
number of people who use these voices, compared to the number of overall 
customers, is exceedingly small. So raise your voice. I know I have requested 
that they open up their system to the point where we can use other voices that 
they don't provide. And that hasn't gotten me anywhere.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I was just assuming Apple was paying some royalties to Nuance to use 
> their voices, so just like any other customer, they'd have the right to raise 
> the issue with their supplier. I also assume Nuance gets quite a bit of 
> mileage out of having their voices on such a popular device, so again, I'd 
> think that would give Apple some influence with Nuance. Apple could also go 
> to another company if they didn't think Nuance was providing the quality they 
> expect from their suppliers and want to include in their devices. If Apple 
> includes substandard parts in their devices then yes I think they have some 
> responsibility for that decision.
> 
> You're right though, I can't prove anything, and I don't know the details of 
> Apple's deal with Nuance, so I was wrong for bringing it up.
> 
>> On 15/09/16 21:22, Mary Otten wrote:
>> Unless you know that Apple has input into this whole deal, or you can prove 
>> that the exact same voices are used elsewhere and don't have this problem, I 
>> don't think you can blame Apple for the crappy voices. Where Apple could 
>> improve would be either to insist that nuance up their game, which would be 
>> nice. And they could, spoken from a non-programming point of you of course, 
>> open it up, so that we can use voice is obtained through other sources, such 
>> as voice dream reader.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 6:43 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You're right, but Apple chooses to use and upgrade these voices, and I'm 
>>> sure they also have some influence with Nuance, so I think it's fair to let 
>>> Apple share some of the responsibility.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 15/09/16 14:22, Devin Prater wrote:
 Apple gets these voices from Neuance. When an update comes out, Apple
 updates the voices, so it isn't really Apple's fault. I do know what you
 mean about Samantha. I use Alex, or Fred.
 
 Devin Pratersent from Gmail.
 
 On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Chantal Oakes > wrote:
 
   Hello Dan, I echo what you are saying. The quality of voices are
   very poor with this new update.  One often wonders why they touch
   what isn't broken. The voices were not bad before they should just
   have left it alone. Just my opinion.
 
   Chantal Oakes
 
   On Sep 15, 2016, at 7:29 AM, Dan > wrote:
 
>   Hi,
> 
> 
>   I am wondering if this is really the case or if it is just my phone.
> 
> 
>   I am using a Iphone 6.  I am running the new IOS 10.
> 
> 
>   Even back in IOS 9 on an Iphone 5 I noticed that even high quality
>   voices had a sort of hissy or fuzzy quality to them.   I found
>   that the lower quality Siri voice actually sounded better than the
>   high quality voice.
> 
> 
>   With IOS 10 the problem is still there and may actually be worse.
>   I have downloaded several of the new voices trying to find one
>   that sounded clearer but there doesn't seem to be one.
> 
> 
>   Am I alone in this?
> 
> 
>   Dan Beaver
> 
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Re: poorquality of voices

2016-09-15 Thread Christopher Chaltain 
Sorry, I was just assuming Apple was paying some royalties to Nuance to 
use their voices, so just like any other customer, they'd have the right 
to raise the issue with their supplier. I also assume Nuance gets quite 
a bit of mileage out of having their voices on such a popular device, so 
again, I'd think that would give Apple some influence with Nuance. Apple 
could also go to another company if they didn't think Nuance was 
providing the quality they expect from their suppliers and want to 
include in their devices. If Apple includes substandard parts in their 
devices then yes I think they have some responsibility for that decision.


You're right though, I can't prove anything, and I don't know the 
details of Apple's deal with Nuance, so I was wrong for bringing it up.


On 15/09/16 21:22, Mary Otten wrote:

Unless you know that Apple has input into this whole deal, or you can prove 
that the exact same voices are used elsewhere and don't have this problem, I 
don't think you can blame Apple for the crappy voices. Where Apple could 
improve would be either to insist that nuance up their game, which would be 
nice. And they could, spoken from a non-programming point of you of course, 
open it up, so that we can use voice is obtained through other sources, such as 
voice dream reader.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 15, 2016, at 6:43 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

You're right, but Apple chooses to use and upgrade these voices, and I'm sure 
they also have some influence with Nuance, so I think it's fair to let Apple 
share some of the responsibility.



On 15/09/16 14:22, Devin Prater wrote:
Apple gets these voices from Neuance. When an update comes out, Apple
updates the voices, so it isn't really Apple's fault. I do know what you
mean about Samantha. I use Alex, or Fred.

Devin Pratersent from Gmail.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Chantal Oakes > wrote:

   Hello Dan, I echo what you are saying. The quality of voices are
   very poor with this new update.  One often wonders why they touch
   what isn't broken. The voices were not bad before they should just
   have left it alone. Just my opinion.

   Chantal Oakes

   On Sep 15, 2016, at 7:29 AM, Dan > wrote:


   Hi,


   I am wondering if this is really the case or if it is just my phone.


   I am using a Iphone 6.  I am running the new IOS 10.


   Even back in IOS 9 on an Iphone 5 I noticed that even high quality
   voices had a sort of hissy or fuzzy quality to them.   I found
   that the lower quality Siri voice actually sounded better than the
   high quality voice.


   With IOS 10 the problem is still there and may actually be worse.
   I have downloaded several of the new voices trying to find one
   that sounded clearer but there doesn't seem to be one.


   Am I alone in this?


   Dan Beaver

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Re: poorquality of voices

2016-09-15 Thread Mary Otten 
Unless you know that Apple has input into this whole deal, or you can prove 
that the exact same voices are used elsewhere and don't have this problem, I 
don't think you can blame Apple for the crappy voices. Where Apple could 
improve would be either to insist that nuance up their game, which would be 
nice. And they could, spoken from a non-programming point of you of course, 
open it up, so that we can use voice is obtained through other sources, such as 
voice dream reader.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2016, at 6:43 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> You're right, but Apple chooses to use and upgrade these voices, and I'm sure 
> they also have some influence with Nuance, so I think it's fair to let Apple 
> share some of the responsibility.
> 
> 
>> On 15/09/16 14:22, Devin Prater wrote:
>> Apple gets these voices from Neuance. When an update comes out, Apple
>> updates the voices, so it isn't really Apple's fault. I do know what you
>> mean about Samantha. I use Alex, or Fred.
>> 
>> Devin Pratersent from Gmail.
>> 
>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Chantal Oakes > > wrote:
>> 
>>Hello Dan, I echo what you are saying. The quality of voices are
>>very poor with this new update.  One often wonders why they touch
>>what isn't broken. The voices were not bad before they should just
>>have left it alone. Just my opinion.
>> 
>>Chantal Oakes
>> 
>>On Sep 15, 2016, at 7:29 AM, Dan >> wrote:
>> 
>>>Hi,
>>> 
>>> 
>>>I am wondering if this is really the case or if it is just my phone.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>I am using a Iphone 6.  I am running the new IOS 10.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>Even back in IOS 9 on an Iphone 5 I noticed that even high quality
>>>voices had a sort of hissy or fuzzy quality to them.   I found
>>>that the lower quality Siri voice actually sounded better than the
>>>high quality voice.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>With IOS 10 the problem is still there and may actually be worse.
>>>I have downloaded several of the new voices trying to find one
>>>that sounded clearer but there doesn't seem to be one.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>Am I alone in this?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>Dan Beaver
>>> 
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Re: poorquality of voices

2016-09-15 Thread Christopher Chaltain 
You're right, but Apple chooses to use and upgrade these voices, and I'm 
sure they also have some influence with Nuance, so I think it's fair to 
let Apple share some of the responsibility.



On 15/09/16 14:22, Devin Prater wrote:

Apple gets these voices from Neuance. When an update comes out, Apple
updates the voices, so it isn't really Apple's fault. I do know what you
mean about Samantha. I use Alex, or Fred.

Devin Pratersent from Gmail.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Chantal Oakes > wrote:

Hello Dan, I echo what you are saying. The quality of voices are
very poor with this new update.  One often wonders why they touch
what isn't broken. The voices were not bad before they should just
have left it alone. Just my opinion.

Chantal Oakes

On Sep 15, 2016, at 7:29 AM, Dan > wrote:


Hi,


I am wondering if this is really the case or if it is just my phone.


I am using a Iphone 6.  I am running the new IOS 10.


Even back in IOS 9 on an Iphone 5 I noticed that even high quality
voices had a sort of hissy or fuzzy quality to them.   I found
that the lower quality Siri voice actually sounded better than the
high quality voice.


With IOS 10 the problem is still there and may actually be worse.
I have downloaded several of the new voices trying to find one
that sounded clearer but there doesn't seem to be one.


Am I alone in this?


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Re: poorquality of voices

2016-09-15 Thread Rajmund 
Hi, I find some voices, like  Fred, Alex, in some ways, Kate, To be faster than 
say, Karen, Samantha, Daniel, etc.



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- Original Message -
From: Gordon  <gor...@gordonradio.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:04 pm
Subject: Re: poorquality of voices

>
>
> The default Samantha is much faster and better in my opinion. I deleted 
> the enhanced and it went back to the default.
> 
> 
> On 9/15/2016 3:03 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> > I don't find any difference between iOS 9 enhanced Samantha and iOS 10 
> > enhanced Samantha. But voices are extremely subjective so we all have to 
> > agree to disagree when it comes wto which voice ne prefers.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> > Of Rajmund
> > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 7:50 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: poorquality of voices
> >
> > Hi, the enhanced Samantha is, excuse the language, but honestly and truly 
> > screwed. I had to immediately delete her, once I heard her. What happened 
> > to her? She was tolerable in IOS9, but she's out for good, now.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from a Braille Sense
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Lois Butterfield  <lbutterfield...@gmail.com>
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:42 pm
> > Subject: Re: poorquality of voices
> >
> >>
> >> Hi Dan,
> >>
> >> I tried a couple and ended up going back to compact Samantha because I
> >> still like it the best.
> >>
> >> Take care,
> >> Lois
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Dan
> >> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 10:29 AM
> >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: poorquality of voices
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >>
> >> I am wondering if this is really the case or if it is just my phone.
> >>
> >>
> >> I am using a Iphone 6.  I am running the new IOS 10.
> >>
> >>
> >> Even back in IOS 9 on an Iphone 5 I noticed that even high quality
> >> voices had a sort of hissy or fuzzy quality to them.   I found that the
> >> lower quality Siri voice actually sounded better than the high quality
> >> voice.
> >>
> >>
> >> With IOS 10 the problem is still there and may actually be worse.  I
> >> have downloaded several of the new voices trying to find one that
> >> sounded clearer but there doesn't seem to be one.
> >>
> >>
> >> Am I alone in this?
> >>
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Re: poorquality of voices

2016-09-15 Thread Rajmund 
Hi, I know it's subjective, but hearing the difference between IOS9 and IOS10 
Samantha may not be subjective. Whether you like the change, that is. But 
noticing... Either ways, try listening to the word, hotspot, with the IOS10 
Samantha. 



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To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Date: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:03 pm
Subject: RE: poorquality of voices

>
>
> I don't find any difference between iOS 9 enhanced Samantha and iOS 10 
> enhanced Samantha. But voices are extremely subjective so we all have to 
> agree to disagree when it comes wto which voice ne prefers.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rajmund
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 7:50 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: poorquality of voices
> 
> Hi, the enhanced Samantha is, excuse the language, but honestly and truly 
> screwed. I had to immediately delete her, once I heard her. What happened to 
> her? She was tolerable in IOS9, but she's out for good, now.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from a Braille Sense 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Lois Butterfield  <lbutterfield...@gmail.com>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:42 pm
> Subject: Re: poorquality of voices
> 
> >
> >
> > Hi Dan,
> > 
> > I tried a couple and ended up going back to compact Samantha because I 
> > still like it the best.
> > 
> > Take care,
> > Lois
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dan
> > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 10:29 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: poorquality of voices
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > 
> > I am wondering if this is really the case or if it is just my phone.
> > 
> > 
> > I am using a Iphone 6.  I am running the new IOS 10.
> > 
> > 
> > Even back in IOS 9 on an Iphone 5 I noticed that even high quality
> > voices had a sort of hissy or fuzzy quality to them.   I found that the
> > lower quality Siri voice actually sounded better than the high quality 
> > voice.
> > 
> > 
> > With IOS 10 the problem is still there and may actually be worse.  I 
> > have downloaded several of the new voices trying to find one that 
> > sounded clearer but there doesn't seem to be one.
> > 
> > 
> > Am I alone in this?
> > 
> > 
> > Dan Beaver
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Re: poorquality of voices

2016-09-15 Thread Lois Butterfield 
I too did not notice any difference between before the update and after.  I 
have always gone back to the compact voice.  When you update, you always get 
the enhanced automatically.  Maybe that causes confusion.


Take care,
Lois


-Original Message- 
From: Gordon

Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 4:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: poorquality of voices

The default Samantha is much faster and better in my opinion. I deleted
the enhanced and it went back to the default.


On 9/15/2016 3:03 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I don't find any difference between iOS 9 enhanced Samantha and iOS 10 
enhanced Samantha. But voices are extremely subjective so we all have to 
agree to disagree when it comes wto which voice ne prefers.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Rajmund

Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: poorquality of voices

Hi, the enhanced Samantha is, excuse the language, but honestly and truly 
screwed. I had to immediately delete her, once I heard her. What happened 
to her? She was tolerable in IOS9, but she's out for good, now.




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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:42 pm
Subject: Re: poorquality of voices



Hi Dan,

I tried a couple and ended up going back to compact Samantha because I
still like it the best.

Take care,
Lois

-Original Message-
From: Dan
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: poorquality of voices

Hi,


I am wondering if this is really the case or if it is just my phone.


I am using a Iphone 6.  I am running the new IOS 10.


Even back in IOS 9 on an Iphone 5 I noticed that even high quality
voices had a sort of hissy or fuzzy quality to them.   I found that the
lower quality Siri voice actually sounded better than the high quality
voice.


With IOS 10 the problem is still there and may actually be worse.  I
have downloaded several of the new voices trying to find one that
sounded clearer but there doesn't seem to be one.


Am I alone in this?


Dan Beaver

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Re: poorquality of voices

2016-09-15 Thread Gordon 
The default Samantha is much faster and better in my opinion. I deleted 
the enhanced and it went back to the default.



On 9/15/2016 3:03 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I don't find any difference between iOS 9 enhanced Samantha and iOS 10 enhanced 
Samantha. But voices are extremely subjective so we all have to agree to 
disagree when it comes wto which voice ne prefers.


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Rajmund
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Hi, the enhanced Samantha is, excuse the language, but honestly and truly 
screwed. I had to immediately delete her, once I heard her. What happened to 
her? She was tolerable in IOS9, but she's out for good, now.



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Date: Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:42 pm
Subject: Re: poorquality of voices



Hi Dan,

I tried a couple and ended up going back to compact Samantha because I
still like it the best.

Take care,
Lois

-Original Message-
From: Dan
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: poorquality of voices

Hi,


I am wondering if this is really the case or if it is just my phone.


I am using a Iphone 6.  I am running the new IOS 10.


Even back in IOS 9 on an Iphone 5 I noticed that even high quality
voices had a sort of hissy or fuzzy quality to them.   I found that the
lower quality Siri voice actually sounded better than the high quality
voice.


With IOS 10 the problem is still there and may actually be worse.  I
have downloaded several of the new voices trying to find one that
sounded clearer but there doesn't seem to be one.


Am I alone in this?


Dan Beaver

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RE: poorquality of voices

2016-09-15 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
I don't find any difference between iOS 9 enhanced Samantha and iOS 10 enhanced 
Samantha. But voices are extremely subjective so we all have to agree to 
disagree when it comes wto which voice ne prefers.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rajmund
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: poorquality of voices

Hi, the enhanced Samantha is, excuse the language, but honestly and truly 
screwed. I had to immediately delete her, once I heard her. What happened to 
her? She was tolerable in IOS9, but she's out for good, now.



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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:42 pm
Subject: Re: poorquality of voices

>
>
> Hi Dan,
> 
> I tried a couple and ended up going back to compact Samantha because I 
> still like it the best.
> 
> Take care,
> Lois
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dan
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 10:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: poorquality of voices
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> I am wondering if this is really the case or if it is just my phone.
> 
> 
> I am using a Iphone 6.  I am running the new IOS 10.
> 
> 
> Even back in IOS 9 on an Iphone 5 I noticed that even high quality
> voices had a sort of hissy or fuzzy quality to them.   I found that the
> lower quality Siri voice actually sounded better than the high quality 
> voice.
> 
> 
> With IOS 10 the problem is still there and may actually be worse.  I 
> have downloaded several of the new voices trying to find one that 
> sounded clearer but there doesn't seem to be one.
> 
> 
> Am I alone in this?
> 
> 
> Dan Beaver
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Re: poorquality of voices

2016-09-15 Thread Devin Prater 
Apple gets these voices from Neuance. When an update comes out, Apple
updates the voices, so it isn't really Apple's fault. I do know what you
mean about Samantha. I use Alex, or Fred.

Devin Pratersent from Gmail.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Chantal Oakes 
wrote:

> Hello Dan, I echo what you are saying. The quality of voices are very poor
> with this new update.  One often wonders why they touch what isn't broken.
> The voices were not bad before they should just have left it alone. Just my
> opinion.
>
> Chantal Oakes
>
> On Sep 15, 2016, at 7:29 AM, Dan  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
> I am wondering if this is really the case or if it is just my phone.
>
>
> I am using a Iphone 6.  I am running the new IOS 10.
>
>
> Even back in IOS 9 on an Iphone 5 I noticed that even high quality voices
> had a sort of hissy or fuzzy quality to them.   I found that the lower
> quality Siri voice actually sounded better than the high quality voice.
>
>
> With IOS 10 the problem is still there and may actually be worse.  I have
> downloaded several of the new voices trying to find one that sounded
> clearer but there doesn't seem to be one.
>
>
> Am I alone in this?
>
>
> Dan Beaver
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Re: poorquality of voices

2016-09-15 Thread Chantal Oakes 
Hello Dan, I echo what you are saying. The quality of voices are very poor with 
this new update.  One often wonders why they touch what isn't broken. The 
voices were not bad before they should just have left it alone. Just my opinion.

Chantal Oakes

> On Sep 15, 2016, at 7:29 AM, Dan  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> I am wondering if this is really the case or if it is just my phone.
> 
> 
> I am using a Iphone 6.  I am running the new IOS 10.
> 
> 
> Even back in IOS 9 on an Iphone 5 I noticed that even high quality voices had 
> a sort of hissy or fuzzy quality to them.   I found that the lower quality 
> Siri voice actually sounded better than the high quality voice.
> 
> 
> With IOS 10 the problem is still there and may actually be worse.  I have 
> downloaded several of the new voices trying to find one that sounded clearer 
> but there doesn't seem to be one.
> 
> 
> Am I alone in this?
> 
> 
> Dan Beaver
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Re: poorquality of voices

2016-09-15 Thread Daniel L. Gervais 
Wow, I kept getting teased by friends when I used to stay with Samantha, they 
kept saying that she sounded like she smoked a couple of packs of cigarettes a 
day and when iOS 9 came out last year, for some odd reason, she didn't sound 
the same as she once did, so I switched to the Siri Female compact voice and 
prefer that one now.

I even went as far as trying the compact voices for the Australian and Brittish 
voices but keep coming back to the Siri Female Compact voice.  I have 
downloaded the Enhanced Siri Female voice as it is better for interacting with 
Siri, but for a voice for using my iPhone everyday, I prefer the compact voices.


From:   "Lois Butterfield" <lbutterfield...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Date:   2016/09/15 10:43 AM
Subject:    Re: poorquality of voices

Hi Dan,

I tried a couple and ended up going back to compact Samantha because I still 
like it the best.

Take care,
Lois

-Original Message- 
From: Dan
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: poorquality of voices

Hi,


I am wondering if this is really the case or if it is just my phone.


I am using a Iphone 6.  I am running the new IOS 10.


Even back in IOS 9 on an Iphone 5 I noticed that even high quality
voices had a sort of hissy or fuzzy quality to them.   I found that the
lower quality Siri voice actually sounded better than the high quality
voice.


With IOS 10 the problem is still there and may actually be worse.  I
have downloaded several of the new voices trying to find one that
sounded clearer but there doesn't seem to be one.


Am I alone in this?


Dan Beaver

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Re: poorquality of voices

2016-09-15 Thread Rajmund 
Hi, the enhanced Samantha is, excuse the language, but honestly and truly 
screwed. I had to immediately delete her, once I heard her. What happened to 
her? She was tolerable in IOS9, but she's out for good, now.



Sent from a Braille Sense 

- Original Message -
From: Lois Butterfield  <lbutterfield...@gmail.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:42 pm
Subject: Re: poorquality of voices

>
>
> Hi Dan,
> 
> I tried a couple and ended up going back to compact Samantha because I still 
> like it the best.
> 
> Take care,
> Lois
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Dan
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 10:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: poorquality of voices
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> I am wondering if this is really the case or if it is just my phone.
> 
> 
> I am using a Iphone 6.  I am running the new IOS 10.
> 
> 
> Even back in IOS 9 on an Iphone 5 I noticed that even high quality
> voices had a sort of hissy or fuzzy quality to them.   I found that the
> lower quality Siri voice actually sounded better than the high quality
> voice.
> 
> 
> With IOS 10 the problem is still there and may actually be worse.  I
> have downloaded several of the new voices trying to find one that
> sounded clearer but there doesn't seem to be one.
> 
> 
> Am I alone in this?
> 
> 
> Dan Beaver
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Re: poorquality of voices

2016-09-15 Thread Lois Butterfield 

Hi Dan,

I tried a couple and ended up going back to compact Samantha because I still 
like it the best.


Take care,
Lois

-Original Message- 
From: Dan

Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: poorquality of voices

Hi,


I am wondering if this is really the case or if it is just my phone.


I am using a Iphone 6.  I am running the new IOS 10.


Even back in IOS 9 on an Iphone 5 I noticed that even high quality
voices had a sort of hissy or fuzzy quality to them.   I found that the
lower quality Siri voice actually sounded better than the high quality
voice.


With IOS 10 the problem is still there and may actually be worse.  I
have downloaded several of the new voices trying to find one that
sounded clearer but there doesn't seem to be one.


Am I alone in this?


Dan Beaver

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Re: poorquality of voices

2016-09-15 Thread Mary Otten 
Hi Dan,
It seems to me that there is a little bit of a distortion going on with these 
voices, it's almost like what used to happen if you have an analog recorder and 
you had your recording will set just a little bit too high, so that it was over 
modulated or somewhat distorted. Alex doesn't do that thank God. I think it 
helps to back off the voiceover volume a bit.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2016, at 7:29 AM, Dan  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> 
> I am wondering if this is really the case or if it is just my phone.
> 
> 
> I am using a Iphone 6.  I am running the new IOS 10.
> 
> 
> Even back in IOS 9 on an Iphone 5 I noticed that even high quality voices had 
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> Siri voice actually sounded better than the high quality voice.
> 
> 
> With IOS 10 the problem is still there and may actually be worse.  I have 
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> Am I alone in this?
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poorquality of voices

2016-09-15 Thread Dan 

Hi,


I am wondering if this is really the case or if it is just my phone.


I am using a Iphone 6.  I am running the new IOS 10.


Even back in IOS 9 on an Iphone 5 I noticed that even high quality 
voices had a sort of hissy or fuzzy quality to them.   I found that the 
lower quality Siri voice actually sounded better than the high quality 
voice.



With IOS 10 the problem is still there and may actually be worse.  I 
have downloaded several of the new voices trying to find one that 
sounded clearer but there doesn't seem to be one.



Am I alone in this?


Dan Beaver

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