Using a VPN with voiceover

[rhs]

Hi,

 

How does using VoiceOver affect choosing and using a VPN?  Besides the 
questions anyone must answer when choosing a VPN service, are there additional 
considerations for voiceover users?

 

Thanks.

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RE: Seeing AI alternative for iPad?

[Brian K. Lingard]

Dear Evan & List:

If Seeing AI is flagged as an IPhone-only App, it will not download on an IPad 
or other Apple device. This flag may be new, would think it is set when App is 
placed in the App Store.
Suppose IOS can goof at times and download an App onto a device it should not 
be downloaded to.
Brian K. Lingard


- m: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Evan Reese
Sent: January 28, 2019 5:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI alternative for iPad?

I haven't been on it recently, but I've used the Seeing AI app on my iPad Mini 
many times and it's worked great.
Unless they've changed something since the last time I've used it, I would 
think it should work on your iPad.
Evan

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ent: Monday, January 28, 2019 4:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Seeing AI alternative for iPad?

Dear all
To my disappointment I found today that there is no iPad version for a Seeing 
AI app. Has anyone tried any other app which works on iPad and does currency 
recognition and if possible barcode?
I also want to use this opportunity to thank Richard for responding to my 
previous question Best regards


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Re: Braille: Orbit Reader 20 update

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Harry,

I would suggest contacting APH.

Best of luck,
Anna




> On Jan 29, 2019, at 10:31 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> This week I updated the firmware on my orbit Reader 20 to the latest version 
> 01.01.57. And now there are bugs - are others using it finding this too?
> When I want to create a capital letter, tapping dot 6 no  longer is 
> recognised to initiate a capital letter. Nothing happens when dot 6 is 
> pressed. 
> When I want to write a number, tapping dots 3 4 5 6 is not recognised and 
> nothing happens. 
> This means that i cannot use the orbit reader now to write capital letters or 
> numbers! Am I missing something or is there a workaround?
> Thankd
> Harry Bell
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RE: Using a VPN with voiceover

[Alan Lemly]

You should make sure that any companion app that works with the VPN service you 
choose is accessible to Voiceover. I expect most services have their own apps. 
I use the Tunnel Bear VPN service and found it competitive and accessible and 
their support was responsive when I first contacted them months ago. You can 
read about it here:

 

https://www.tunnelbear.com/

 

Alan Lemly

 

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Subject: Using a VPN with voiceover

 

Hi,

 

How does using VoiceOver affect choosing and using a VPN?  Besides the 
questions anyone must answer when choosing a VPN service, are there additional 
considerations for voiceover users?

 

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Braille: Orbit Reader 20 update

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

This week I updated the firmware on my orbit Reader 20 to the latest version 
01.01.57. And now there are bugs - are others using it finding this too?
When I want to create a capital letter, tapping dot 6 no  longer is recognised 
to initiate a capital letter. Nothing happens when dot 6 is pressed. 
When I want to write a number, tapping dots 3 4 5 6 is not recognised and 
nothing happens. 
This means that i cannot use the orbit reader now to write capital letters or 
numbers! Am I missing something or is there a workaround?
Thankd
Harry Bell

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Re: Aira

[Mike]

I was actually glad to hear about the era update. Right now, I cannot afford to 
use this service. If my situation should change, I would definitely consider 
using this service. I am actually glad to hear about any apps that come out and 
how accessible they might be.
Michael

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> On Jan 28, 2019, at 11:29 AM, Michael Malver  wrote:
> 
> I agree with people who say that they would not be able to afford Aira on a 
> monthly basis, as I am one of them. Nonetheless, this is AN app I feel 
> everybody should download. It is free to keep on your phone, and there are 
> businesses who allow you to use the service with out having a monthly 
> membership. I have used Aira twice now at target stores, and have found the 
> tool helpful.
> Just my two cents.
> 
> Michael
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2019, at 11:16 AM, Dave  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Linda. Well said.
>>  
>> Dave.
>>  
>>  
>> From: Lynda Ingraham
>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 4:42 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Aira
>>  
>> David,
>>  
>> I really wish I hadn't opened your message.
>>  
>> It is really sad that you believe so little of blind and visually impaired 
>> people who do not live life according to your standards.
>>  
>> Just because people have family or friends in and out of their homes on a 
>> daily basis, it does not mean they should be expected to constantly depend 
>> on those individuals for assistance. Sighted individuals have a right to 
>> privacy, so do individuals with print disabilities. Have you ever heard of 
>> identity theft? Not to smart to ask just anyone to read investment and 
>> banking statements. I also have a right not to have those same individuals 
>> read medical information. It is my choice when and how I share that 
>> information with family and friends. It sounds like you would be totally 
>> confortable having a stranger at the bus stop read your prostate test 
>> results. Good for you, that is your choice. The rest of us don't have to 
>> make friends and family feel like every time they come in our house we need 
>> help with something. It is all about choice. 
>>  
>> Regarding technology "getting out-of-hand," another judgment based on your 
>> personal needs without a thought of how this technology could help 
>> individuals with multiple disabilities. As a deaf-blind person, Aira has 
>> helped me to travel more independently.
>>  
>> What totally boggles my mind is for years, blind and visually impaired 
>> individuals have struggled for the right to make personal choices. Some of 
>> the anger towards the development of technology as Aira, Be My Eyes etc. is 
>> quite shocking.  Your description of other blind people as lazy is 
>> disgusting.  There isn't a single sighted person that has seen me use any of 
>> these services that couldn't appreciate the independence and freedom of 
>> choice attached to the product.
>>  
>> Go wave your prostate results at the bus stop for someone to read and leave 
>> the rest of us alone that choose a different path than yours.
>>  
>> Lynda
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of David Moore
>> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 5:10 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Aira
>>  
>> Hi Andy,
>> I totally agree as well.
>> How many blind people can afford $200.00 or more a month to get unlimited 
>> service to have an entire play at the theater described for them.
>> The people who are so passionate about this service, don’t realize that the 
>> blind are 70 percent unemployed.
>> What about those people?
>> I went to the Ohio State University and went everywhere I wanted to go with 
>> my good, old cane, and I do so today.
>> Technology is just getting out of hand, I think.
>> It is making some people lazy.
>> Also, why are blind people alone all of the time.
>> I hear so many blind people say that they are alone here and there, and they 
>> need this service.
>> I always have people around everywhere I go , practically.
>> How many sighted people go out and roam around alone.
>> Another thing this brings up, is that blind people need to be with sighted 
>> people, instead of using a service like this.
>> We are becoming a society where everyone wants to do everything for him or 
>> her self, instead of relying on each other.
>> Many cultures would not think of doing so many things alone like we do in 
>> the west, and I assume Australia
>> And New Zealand.
>> Mexicans love to live with their extended family.
>> They would not live alone if their life depended on it.
>> Technology like this AIRA, are just causing people to be alone more with 
>> their technology.
>> When I ride the bus, I am always talking to people.
>> I do not even want to get on my phone!
>> I love talking to strangers the whole time I am out, , not on a device.
>> Thanks for putting up with my little rant.
>> Sometimes, I think the blind were better off, when they had to get a reader 
>> to read everything 

Re: Seeing AI alternative for iPad?

[Charlene Young]

Ya it works just fine on my iPad. I use it all the time. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 29, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> That is not true. You simply have to change the filter in the app store 
> search screen to iPhone apps. Most apps that are listed as iPhone apps, work 
> fine on an iPad.
> I've downloaded SEEING AI on several iPads and it works great!
> Richard
> 
> 
> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
> any." -- Alice Walker
> 
> 
> On Jan 29, 2019, at 7:58 AM, Brian K. Lingard  wrote:
> 
>> Dear Evan & List:
>> 
>> If Seeing AI is flagged as an IPhone-only App, it will not download on an 
>> IPad or other Apple device. This flag may be new, would think it is set when 
>> App is placed in the App Store.
>> Suppose IOS can goof at times and download an App onto a device it should 
>> not be downloaded to.
>> Brian K. Lingard
>> 
>> 
>> - m: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Evan Reese
>> Sent: January 28, 2019 5:10 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Seeing AI alternative for iPad?
>> 
>> I haven't been on it recently, but I've used the Seeing AI app on my iPad 
>> Mini many times and it's worked great.
>> Unless they've changed something since the last time I've used it, I would 
>> think it should work on your iPad.
>> Evan
>> 
>> - 
>> ent: Monday, January 28, 2019 4:46 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Seeing AI alternative for iPad?
>> 
>> Dear all
>> To my disappointment I found today that there is no iPad version for a 
>> Seeing AI app. Has anyone tried any other app which works on iPad and does 
>> currency recognition and if possible barcode?
>> I also want to use this opportunity to thank Richard for responding to my 
>> previous question Best regards
>> 
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Re: Facebook stories??

['Louana Sterling' via VIPhone]

Pictures they post and i hate this. 

> On Jan 29, 2019, at 11:32 AM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
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>> On Jan 29, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Tom  wrote:
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>> Hello,
>>  
>> I’ve noticed, that when using the Facebook app on the iPhone, I tend to get 
>> a lot of “stories”.  It will have a friend’s name and will say something 
>> about their unread or unseen story.  What is that all about?  I see their 
>> posts.  And, more and more, as I’m scrolling through, I just get these 
>> “unread story” deals that I don’t understand.
>> I don’t see any of this when I’m on my computer and thought perhaps some of 
>> you might know what’s going on. 
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Re: Facebook stories??

['Louana Sterling' via VIPhone]

> On Jan 29, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Tom  wrote:
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> Hello,
>  
> I’ve noticed, that when using the Facebook app on the iPhone, I tend to get a 
> lot of “stories”.  It will have a friend’s name and will say something about 
> their unread or unseen story.  What is that all about?  I see their posts.  
> And, more and more, as I’m scrolling through, I just get these “unread story” 
> deals that I don’t understand.
> I don’t see any of this when I’m on my computer and thought perhaps some of 
> you might know what’s going on. 
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RE: Facebook stories??

[mich verrier]

I also have found this and also would like to know what all this is about. And 
like you said this only happens in the facebook app on ios. From Mich.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: January 29, 2019 11:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Facebook stories??

 

Hello,

 

I’ve noticed, that when using the Facebook app on the iPhone, I tend to get a 
lot of “stories”.  It will have a friend’s name and will say something about 
their unread or unseen story.  What is that all about?  I see their posts.  
And, more and more, as I’m scrolling through, I just get these “unread story” 
deals that I don’t understand.

I don’t see any of this when I’m on my computer and thought perhaps some of you 
might know what’s going on.  

 

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Re: Seeing AI alternative for iPad?

[Richard Turner]

That is not true. You simply have to change the filter in the app store search 
screen to iPhone apps. Most apps that are listed as iPhone apps, work fine on 
an iPad.
I've downloaded SEEING AI on several iPads and it works great!
Richard



The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker


On Jan 29, 2019, at 7:58 AM, Brian K. Lingard mailto:b...@ncf.ca>> 
wrote:

Dear Evan & List:

If Seeing AI is flagged as an IPhone-only App, it will not download on an IPad 
or other Apple device. This flag may be new, would think it is set when App is 
placed in the App Store.
Suppose IOS can goof at times and download an App onto a device it should not 
be downloaded to.
Brian K. Lingard


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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evan Reese
Sent: January 28, 2019 5:10 PM
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Subject: Re: Seeing AI alternative for iPad?

I haven't been on it recently, but I've used the Seeing AI app on my iPad Mini 
many times and it's worked great.
Unless they've changed something since the last time I've used it, I would 
think it should work on your iPad.
Evan

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Subject: Seeing AI alternative for iPad?

Dear all
To my disappointment I found today that there is no iPad version for a Seeing 
AI app. Has anyone tried any other app which works on iPad and does currency 
recognition and if possible barcode?
I also want to use this opportunity to thank Richard for responding to my 
previous question Best regards


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Facebook stories??

[Tom]

Hello,

 

I've noticed, that when using the Facebook app on the iPhone, I tend to get
a lot of "stories".  It will have a friend's name and will say something
about their unread or unseen story.  What is that all about?  I see their
posts.  And, more and more, as I'm scrolling through, I just get these
"unread story" deals that I don't understand.

I don't see any of this when I'm on my computer and thought perhaps some of
you might know what's going on.  

 

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Re: An Aira Update

[Dave Mitchel]

any time I see your name I will. thx for all your advice on life.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Rash

Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 5:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Aira Update

Well, for someone tired of hitting the delete key, you sure muscled up some 
energy there.  Next time, go back to the delete key.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave 
Mitchel

Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 10:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An Aira Update

I could care less what Mark says 1 way or another. I think this whole damned 
thing was blown out of proportion by a bunch of whining people. I have about 
worn my finger out with the delete key and I really don't care who goes or 
who stays.

I really think it is about time people grew up.
I'm so tired of being preached to about is thing or that thing and how to 
act as a blind person. all of you stop thinking you are unique or think all 
blind people are unique. as individuals we are unique...we have our own 
thoughts on what to do and how to do it.
I am on lists to learn things I want to know about. We all have bad days and 
say things we wish could be taken back...all of us...I don't care if your 
name is Mark or Seighardt  or Jonathan or David. For goodness sake people 
let this thing go and get back to assisting others with questions and 
answers about whatever technological topic is up at the time on whatever 
list you are on at the time.
I admit I have never been on a list with sighted people, but I truly hope 
that this childish behavior is limited to the a small portion of the blind 
community.

try the serenity prayer people!

-Original Message-
From: Marie
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 8:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An Aira Update

I have to agree with you on this and also wonder why Mark has not responded 
in any way. I think we would all appreciate some kind of clarification on 
the issue.

Marie


-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 8:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Aira Update

Hi Marie,

I haven't decided yet, but I don't think maturity has anything to do with 
it, it comes down to principle.
What really surprises me is that Mark posted what he did and never provided 
any further explanation or responded to any of the dozens of posts. He also 
didn't close the topic, but he posted two articles which would indicate that 
it's not a matter of him not having caught up with the list. I for one would 
appreciate a post from him regardless whether it's one where he maintains 
his position or one where he clarifies whether he has changed his opinion 
regarding this based on what was said. Just ignoring this doesn't help in 
making it clear whether in future it is OK to post anything which has to do 
with a service rather than directly with what button to tap in an app.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 8:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An Aira Update

I would hope that people like Sieghard and Richard are too mature to leave 
the list over a disagreement such as this one. They are both a wonderful 
source of assistance on all the uses of our IO devices.

Marie


-Original Message-
From: Maria Reyes
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 10:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An Aira Update

Hey Carolyn. Me too. I've been here for quite a while and love this list. We 
have a lot of resourceful people on list. I would hate to lose them.


Sent from my Sprint iPhone X!!!
see: tech4theblind+subscr...@groups.io if you want to talk blind 
technology!!



On Jan 27, 2019, at 8:52 PM, Mr. Ed  wrote:

I agree with you 100 percent on this Sieghard. Well said.
Mr. Ed

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Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 1:06 AM
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Subject: RE: An Aira Update

I agree that Aira while having come up at various times before is
certainly not in everybody's face all the time. If you, Andy, are
subscribe to so many lists and Podcasts where it is discussed you
obviously have a great deal of spare time for all this. I can hardly
keep up with the Viphone, Jaws and Windows 10 groups which I am
subscribed to and rarely do I hear about Aira. In fact, it's on my
list of things to do to find out more about what Aira is offering in 
Canada.

I certainly did not consider Jonathan's post inappropriate in any way
and find it regrettable that Mark apparently judged it to be so. I
don't think in a case like Aira you can separate the app from the
service. There are many examples on this list where services are
discussed. People ask questions about Apple Music or Netflix and not
always is the question strictly about the Music app or the Netflix app
but about the service in 

Braille input problem in Mail app

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

I can no longer type capital letters nor numbers in the Mail app when composing 
emails. I am running iOS 12.1.3 on iPhone XS and an Orbit Reader 20 which I 
recently updated to firmware version 01.01.57. Capital letters and numbers work 
fine in Notes, Pages, Contacts and Calendar but not in the Mail app nor in the 
Safari search bar. Because I updated both iOS and the Orbit firmware very 
recently, I have no idea where the fault lies. Does anyone have such problems 
or solutions?
Thanks
Harry

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What do I do to delete phone calls, incoming and outgoing?

[Carolyn Arnold]

I can't delete recent calls - have closed out Phone, even
locked and unlocked screen, can't delete calls. Any way I
swipe just gets me to another call. I tried to rotor.
Nothing is working. 

Thanks for any help. 

If you pray, don't worry; if you worry, don't pray,

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Re: Braille input problem in Mail app

[Tom Lange]

Hi,
This is just a wild guess, but it may be possible that you inadvertently issued 
some command from your Orbit Reader that changed your Braille input. I did that 
once a long time ago and it caused me all kinds of trouble when trying to do 
things like log into my banking app. For that reason I switched to eight-dot 
Computer Braille and left it that way. Go to Settings > General > Accessibility 
> Voiceover > Braille. Check to see what Braille Input is set to; perhaps you 
accidentally switched it to eight-dot Computer Braille. If you did, switch it 
back to either uncontracted or contracted six-dot, whichever you prefer. Just a 
thought: let us know what happens. Oh, and if anybody knows what command you 
use to switch Braille input on the fly, please post it here so that I can make 
a note of it. 
Thanks,
Tom  

> On Jan 29, 2019, at 10:06 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
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> I can no longer type capital letters nor numbers in the Mail app when 
> composing emails. I am running iOS 12.1.3 on iPhone XS and an Orbit Reader 20 
> which I recently updated to firmware version 01.01.57. Capital letters and 
> numbers work fine in Notes, Pages, Contacts and Calendar but not in the Mail 
> app nor in the Safari search bar. Because I updated both iOS and the Orbit 
> firmware very recently, I have no idea where the fault lies. Does anyone have 
> such problems or solutions?
> Thanks
> Harry
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RE: Facebook stories??

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hate it why? It’s easy to just ignore it.

From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 9:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Facebook stories??

Pictures they post and i hate this.

On Jan 29, 2019, at 11:32 AM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:


On Jan 29, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Tom 
mailto:tom.cram...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello,

I’ve noticed, that when using the Facebook app on the iPhone, I tend to get a 
lot of “stories”.  It will have a friend’s name and will say something about 
their unread or unseen story.  What is that all about?  I see their posts.  
And, more and more, as I’m scrolling through, I just get these “unread story” 
deals that I don’t understand.
I don’t see any of this when I’m on my computer and thought perhaps some of you 
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RE: Facebook stories??

[Sieghard Weitzel]

This is one of these questions where a Google search for “What are Facebook 
Stories” provides you with tons of search results from articles, a Wikipedia 
entry and Youtube videos explaining how to create them, save them and so on.
The main thing to take away from all of this is that for blind people they are 
pretty useless since they are purely visual and are temporary, here is what I 
found on Wikipedia:

Facebook Stories are short user-generated photo or video collections that can 
be uploaded to the user's Facebook.
Facebook Stories were created on March 28, 2017. They are considered to be a 
second news feed for the social media website.
It is focused around Facebook’s in-app camera which allows users to use fun 
filters and Snapchat-like lenses to their content as well as add visual 
geolocation tags to their photos and videos. The content is able to be posted 
publicly on the Facebook app for only 24 hours or can be sent as a direct 
message to a Facebook friend.
"As people mostly post photos and videos, Stories is the way they’re going to 
want to do it,” says Facebook Camera product manager Connor Hayes, noting 
Facebook’s shift away from text status updates after 10 years as its primary 
sharing option.
“Obviously we’ve seen this doing very well in other apps. Snapchat has really 
pioneered this,” explained Hayes.
Facebook has seen a lot of success through other applications like Snapchat and 
Instagram, especially since Facebook bought Instagram for $1 billion in 2012.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of mich 
verrier
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 8:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Facebook stories??

I also have found this and also would like to know what all this is about. And 
like you said this only happens in the facebook app on ios. From Mich.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: January 29, 2019 11:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Facebook stories??

Hello,

I’ve noticed, that when using the Facebook app on the iPhone, I tend to get a 
lot of “stories”.  It will have a friend’s name and will say something about 
their unread or unseen story.  What is that all about?  I see their posts.  
And, more and more, as I’m scrolling through, I just get these “unread story” 
deals that I don’t understand.
I don’t see any of this when I’m on my computer and thought perhaps some of you 
might know what’s going on.

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RE: What do I do to delete phone calls, incoming and outgoing?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Make sure the rotor is set to Actions and then flick either up or down when you 
are in the Recent Call list and Voiceover will say "Delete", double tap on that 
and the call will be deleted from the log.
You can also tap "Edit" at the top right of the screen, once you do then there 
will be a "Clear" button on the top left, double tap it and confirm and your 
call log will be cleared completely.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 2:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What do I do to delete phone calls, incoming and outgoing?

I can't delete recent calls - have closed out Phone, even
locked and unlocked screen, can't delete calls. Any way I
swipe just gets me to another call. I tried to rotor.
Nothing is working. 

Thanks for any help. 

If you pray, don't worry; if you worry, don't pray,

Carolyn

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RE: Aira

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

This is one thing I’ve been interested to know as far as what if any training 
Aira agents have had for scenarios where the person using the service may find 
themselves in.  Be it outright danger or in situations that perhaps don’t rise 
to this level, but may present uncomfortable issues. Like what are their 
policies for handling such matters? What is their obligation say if while 
person X is using Aira and the agent sees someone in the foreground approaching 
them or taking a particular interest in what they’re doing and so on? If 
they’re a victim of a crime while using Aira? 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Bill 
Outman
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Aira

 

I wasn’t going to jump in on this thread, but your post caught my attention.  
Some of these apps and services will be discussed on a technology call I’ll be 
on in a few hours sponsored through Hadley Institute for the Blind and Visually 
Impaired.  

 

You mentioned stranger danger.  This is a social issue for me that sometimes 
keeps me from asking for help.I’ve seen AIRA demonstrated at various NFB state 
and national conventions I’ve attended, but the cost is a limiting factor for 
me now.  I have Be My Eyes on my phone but haven’t used it out of the issue of 
dealing with someone I don’t know, and admit even the name of the app reminds 
me squarely of my limitations.  I haven’t even learned how tou use Facetime, 
though I think I could do it.  Seeing AI and K-NFB Reader are both part of my 
world.  

 

The stranger issue has kept me from trying Uber and Lyft, even though I have 
both apps.  Yet I can use cabs and the local paratransit, and even used it in 
another community for a convention.  I am glad all these services and apps 
exist to give us more choices than we used to have, but I need help in working 
through some of my issues to use these options more effectively.  

 

Bill Outman 

Secretary, Greater Daytona Beach Chapter 

National Federation of the Blind of Florida 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 5:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Aira

 

Good God… When did this become a commentary on pseudo-social anthropology?

Everyone’s got different needs and lifestyles. Maybe folks don’t have a huge 
family or sighted social network they can rely upon. Maybe folks aren’t 
comfortable for reasons X, Y or Z with just going around and asking random 
people on the street for help. Ever heard of stranger danger? Maybe folks have 
different levels of mobility skills or abilities. Maybe, maybe, maybe. I 
currently don’t have the need for Aira, but I’m not going to go all luddite and 
argue the other way. Thank goodness for innovations like this. Be it Aira, 
Facetime, BeMyEyes, the myriad GPS apps/services, etc. There apparently seems 
to be a nitch/market/need for them.

And for the record and to refute silly tropes. This is one Mexican who if I 
never saw a lot of my cousins or extended family again, I wouldn’t shed a tear. 
Gimmy a break. 

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
David Moore
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Aira

 

Hi Andy,

I totally agree as well.

How many blind people can afford $200.00 or more a month to get unlimited 
service to have an entire play at the theater described for them.

The people who are so passionate about this service, don’t realize that the 
blind are 70 percent unemployed.

What about those people?

I went to the Ohio State University and went everywhere I wanted to go with my 
good, old cane, and I do so today.

Technology is just getting out of hand, I think.

It is making some people lazy.

Also, why are blind people alone all of the time.

I hear so many blind people say that they are alone here and there, and they 
need this service.

I always have people around everywhere I go , practically.

How many sighted people go out and roam around alone.

Another thing this brings up, is that blind people need to be with sighted 
people, instead of using a service like this.

We are becoming a society where everyone wants to do everything for him or her 
self, instead of relying on each other.

Many cultures would not think of doing so many things alone like we do in the 
west, and I assume Australia 

And New Zealand.

Mexicans love to live with their extended family.

They would not live alone if their life depended on it.

Technology like this AIRA, are just causing people to be alone more with their 
technology.

When I ride the bus, I am always talking to people.

I do not even want to get on my phone!

I love talking to strangers the whole time I am 

RE: Aira

[Bill Outman]

I know the agents go through a training process to become part of AIRA; that’s 
why it is a paid service as their agents are paid.  I am not sure of all the 
policies they have.  

 

I wasn’t talking so much about a scenario in which someone an agent or 
volunteer sees approach an individual in a harmful manner, but just the fact 
that this person I am working with is someone I don’t know.  

 

 

 

Bill Outman 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 6:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Aira

 

This is one thing I’ve been interested to know as far as what if any training 
Aira agents have had for scenarios where the person using the service may find 
themselves in.  Be it outright danger or in situations that perhaps don’t rise 
to this level, but may present uncomfortable issues. Like what are their 
policies for handling such matters? What is their obligation say if while 
person X is using Aira and the agent sees someone in the foreground approaching 
them or taking a particular interest in what they’re doing and so on? If 
they’re a victim of a crime while using Aira? 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Bill 
Outman
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Aira

 

I wasn’t going to jump in on this thread, but your post caught my attention.  
Some of these apps and services will be discussed on a technology call I’ll be 
on in a few hours sponsored through Hadley Institute for the Blind and Visually 
Impaired.  

 

You mentioned stranger danger.  This is a social issue for me that sometimes 
keeps me from asking for help.I’ve seen AIRA demonstrated at various NFB state 
and national conventions I’ve attended, but the cost is a limiting factor for 
me now.  I have Be My Eyes on my phone but haven’t used it out of the issue of 
dealing with someone I don’t know, and admit even the name of the app reminds 
me squarely of my limitations.  I haven’t even learned how tou use Facetime, 
though I think I could do it.  Seeing AI and K-NFB Reader are both part of my 
world.  

 

The stranger issue has kept me from trying Uber and Lyft, even though I have 
both apps.  Yet I can use cabs and the local paratransit, and even used it in 
another community for a convention.  I am glad all these services and apps 
exist to give us more choices than we used to have, but I need help in working 
through some of my issues to use these options more effectively.  

 

Bill Outman 

Secretary, Greater Daytona Beach Chapter 

National Federation of the Blind of Florida 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 5:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Aira

 

Good God… When did this become a commentary on pseudo-social anthropology?

Everyone’s got different needs and lifestyles. Maybe folks don’t have a huge 
family or sighted social network they can rely upon. Maybe folks aren’t 
comfortable for reasons X, Y or Z with just going around and asking random 
people on the street for help. Ever heard of stranger danger? Maybe folks have 
different levels of mobility skills or abilities. Maybe, maybe, maybe. I 
currently don’t have the need for Aira, but I’m not going to go all luddite and 
argue the other way. Thank goodness for innovations like this. Be it Aira, 
Facetime, BeMyEyes, the myriad GPS apps/services, etc. There apparently seems 
to be a nitch/market/need for them.

And for the record and to refute silly tropes. This is one Mexican who if I 
never saw a lot of my cousins or extended family again, I wouldn’t shed a tear. 
Gimmy a break. 

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of David 
Moore
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Aira

 

Hi Andy,

I totally agree as well.

How many blind people can afford $200.00 or more a month to get unlimited 
service to have an entire play at the theater described for them.

The people who are so passionate about this service, don’t realize that the 
blind are 70 percent unemployed.

What about those people?

I went to the Ohio State University and went everywhere I wanted to go with my 
good, old cane, and I do so today.

Technology is just getting out of hand, I think.

It is making some people lazy.

Also, why are blind people alone all of the time.

I hear so many blind people say that they are alone here and there, and they 
need this service.

I always have people around everywhere I go , practically.

How many sighted people go out and roam around alone.

Another thing this brings up, is that blind people need to be with sighted 
people, instead of using a service like this.

We are becoming a society where everyone wants to do everything for him or her 
self, instead of relying on each other.

Many cultures would not think 

RE: Aira

[Bill Outman]

I wasn’t going to jump in on this thread, but your post caught my attention.  
Some of these apps and services will be discussed on a technology call I’ll be 
on in a few hours sponsored through Hadley Institute for the Blind and Visually 
Impaired.  

 

You mentioned stranger danger.  This is a social issue for me that sometimes 
keeps me from asking for help.I’ve seen AIRA demonstrated at various NFB state 
and national conventions I’ve attended, but the cost is a limiting factor for 
me now.  I have Be My Eyes on my phone but haven’t used it out of the issue of 
dealing with someone I don’t know, and admit even the name of the app reminds 
me squarely of my limitations.  I haven’t even learned how tou use Facetime, 
though I think I could do it.  Seeing AI and K-NFB Reader are both part of my 
world.  

 

The stranger issue has kept me from trying Uber and Lyft, even though I have 
both apps.  Yet I can use cabs and the local paratransit, and even used it in 
another community for a convention.  I am glad all these services and apps 
exist to give us more choices than we used to have, but I need help in working 
through some of my issues to use these options more effectively.  

 

Bill Outman 

Secretary, Greater Daytona Beach Chapter 

National Federation of the Blind of Florida 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 5:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Aira

 

Good God… When did this become a commentary on pseudo-social anthropology?

Everyone’s got different needs and lifestyles. Maybe folks don’t have a huge 
family or sighted social network they can rely upon. Maybe folks aren’t 
comfortable for reasons X, Y or Z with just going around and asking random 
people on the street for help. Ever heard of stranger danger? Maybe folks have 
different levels of mobility skills or abilities. Maybe, maybe, maybe. I 
currently don’t have the need for Aira, but I’m not going to go all luddite and 
argue the other way. Thank goodness for innovations like this. Be it Aira, 
Facetime, BeMyEyes, the myriad GPS apps/services, etc. There apparently seems 
to be a nitch/market/need for them.

And for the record and to refute silly tropes. This is one Mexican who if I 
never saw a lot of my cousins or extended family again, I wouldn’t shed a tear. 
Gimmy a break. 

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of David 
Moore
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Aira

 

Hi Andy,

I totally agree as well.

How many blind people can afford $200.00 or more a month to get unlimited 
service to have an entire play at the theater described for them.

The people who are so passionate about this service, don’t realize that the 
blind are 70 percent unemployed.

What about those people?

I went to the Ohio State University and went everywhere I wanted to go with my 
good, old cane, and I do so today.

Technology is just getting out of hand, I think.

It is making some people lazy.

Also, why are blind people alone all of the time.

I hear so many blind people say that they are alone here and there, and they 
need this service.

I always have people around everywhere I go , practically.

How many sighted people go out and roam around alone.

Another thing this brings up, is that blind people need to be with sighted 
people, instead of using a service like this.

We are becoming a society where everyone wants to do everything for him or her 
self, instead of relying on each other.

Many cultures would not think of doing so many things alone like we do in the 
west, and I assume Australia 

And New Zealand.

Mexicans love to live with their extended family.

They would not live alone if their life depended on it.

Technology like this AIRA, are just causing people to be alone more with their 
technology.

When I ride the bus, I am always talking to people.

I do not even want to get on my phone!

I love talking to strangers the whole time I am out, , not on a device.

Thanks for putting up with my little rant.

Sometimes, I think the blind were better off, when they had to get a reader to 
read everything to them, and they had to remember it or take good Braille notes 
as the human read to them.

New is not always better for people!

Have a great one,

David Moore

Sent from Mail   for Windows 10

 

From: Andy Baracco  
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 4:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Aira

 

I agree!

 

Considering that most blind people are unemployed, and that the average 

income of blind folks is well below that of those who are not blind, aiRa 

will only be feasible for a minority of blind people, thus making services 

like Be My Eyes, and platforms like MS Seeing AI a welcome alternative.

 

Andy

 

- Original Message - 

From: "Cristóbal Muñoz" 

RE: iPhone 10 question about no home button

[Robert Wright]

Hitting that side button which use to be the power button will also give you 
the time.

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!  
  ***    

From: Holly
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 8:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 10 question about no home button

Well, since I want to keep the phone under my pillow, tapping is not an option.
 
Thanks though.
 
Holly
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Re: Seeing AI alternative for iPad?

[TaraPrakash]

Thanks Richard and all. 
I was able to find the app after changing to iPhone apps through filters.   I 
fail to understand what’s the policy behind this. Why categorize them into 
iPhone apps and iPad apps when the app anyways going to work on iPad. If an app 
works. It should be searchable through App Store without filters. 
 on iPad  


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 29, 2019, at 11:15 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> That is not true. You simply have to change the filter in the app store 
> search screen to iPhone apps. Most apps that are listed as iPhone apps, work 
> fine on an iPad.
> I've downloaded SEEING AI on several iPads and it works great!
> Richard
> 
> 
> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
> any." -- Alice Walker
> 
> 
> On Jan 29, 2019, at 7:58 AM, Brian K. Lingard  wrote:
> 
>> Dear Evan & List:
>> 
>> If Seeing AI is flagged as an IPhone-only App, it will not download on an 
>> IPad or other Apple device. This flag may be new, would think it is set when 
>> App is placed in the App Store.
>> Suppose IOS can goof at times and download an App onto a device it should 
>> not be downloaded to.
>> Brian K. Lingard
>> 
>> 
>> - m: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Evan Reese
>> Sent: January 28, 2019 5:10 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Seeing AI alternative for iPad?
>> 
>> I haven't been on it recently, but I've used the Seeing AI app on my iPad 
>> Mini many times and it's worked great.
>> Unless they've changed something since the last time I've used it, I would 
>> think it should work on your iPad.
>> Evan
>> 
>> - 
>> ent: Monday, January 28, 2019 4:46 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Seeing AI alternative for iPad?
>> 
>> Dear all
>> To my disappointment I found today that there is no iPad version for a 
>> Seeing AI app. Has anyone tried any other app which works on iPad and does 
>> currency recognition and if possible barcode?
>> I also want to use this opportunity to thank Richard for responding to my 
>> previous question Best regards
>> 
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RE: Facebook stories??

[Sieghard Weitzel]

There are many things (and people) I’d love to see *smile*

From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 8:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Facebook stories??

Because I would love to be able to see them and I can not. Lol

On Jan 29, 2019, at 8:28 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Hate it why? It’s easy to just ignore it.

From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 9:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Facebook stories??

Pictures they post and i hate this.

On Jan 29, 2019, at 11:32 AM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:


On Jan 29, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Tom 
mailto:tom.cram...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello,

I’ve noticed, that when using the Facebook app on the iPhone, I tend to get a 
lot of “stories”.  It will have a friend’s name and will say something about 
their unread or unseen story.  What is that all about?  I see their posts.  
And, more and more, as I’m scrolling through, I just get these “unread story” 
deals that I don’t understand.
I don’t see any of this when I’m on my computer and thought perhaps some of you 
might know what’s going on.

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Re: Aira

[M.E.N.]

I am certainly no expert, but I have been using both Lyft and Uber for the last 
year and absolutely love them. I have found the drivers friendly, polite and 
very helpful and never felt the least uncomfortable. Some are, of course better 
than others but in all the many rides I have taken, I have only had two drivers 
who got less than a five star rating from me. 
I realize the experiences will very depending on where you are located but if 
there are no issues being reported in your area, just give it a try. The 
freedom and independence this service has provided is extremely pleasant.

From: Bill Outman 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Aira

I wasn’t going to jump in on this thread, but your post caught my attention.  
Some of these apps and services will be discussed on a technology call I’ll be 
on in a few hours sponsored through Hadley Institute for the Blind and Visually 
Impaired.  

 

You mentioned stranger danger.  This is a social issue for me that sometimes 
keeps me from asking for help.I’ve seen AIRA demonstrated at various NFB state 
and national conventions I’ve attended, but the cost is a limiting factor for 
me now.  I have Be My Eyes on my phone but haven’t used it out of the issue of 
dealing with someone I don’t know, and admit even the name of the app reminds 
me squarely of my limitations.  I haven’t even learned how tou use Facetime, 
though I think I could do it.  Seeing AI and K-NFB Reader are both part of my 
world.  

 

The stranger issue has kept me from trying Uber and Lyft, even though I have 
both apps.  Yet I can use cabs and the local paratransit, and even used it in 
another community for a convention.  I am glad all these services and apps 
exist to give us more choices than we used to have, but I need help in working 
through some of my issues to use these options more effectively.  

 

Bill Outman 

Secretary, Greater Daytona Beach Chapter 

National Federation of the Blind of Florida 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 5:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Aira

 

Good God… When did this become a commentary on pseudo-social anthropology?

Everyone’s got different needs and lifestyles. Maybe folks don’t have a huge 
family or sighted social network they can rely upon. Maybe folks aren’t 
comfortable for reasons X, Y or Z with just going around and asking random 
people on the street for help. Ever heard of stranger danger? Maybe folks have 
different levels of mobility skills or abilities. Maybe, maybe, maybe. I 
currently don’t have the need for Aira, but I’m not going to go all luddite and 
argue the other way. Thank goodness for innovations like this. Be it Aira, 
Facetime, BeMyEyes, the myriad GPS apps/services, etc. There apparently seems 
to be a nitch/market/need for them.

And for the record and to refute silly tropes. This is one Mexican who if I 
never saw a lot of my cousins or extended family again, I wouldn’t shed a tear. 
Gimmy a break. 

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of David 
Moore
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Aira

 

Hi Andy,

I totally agree as well.

How many blind people can afford $200.00 or more a month to get unlimited 
service to have an entire play at the theater described for them.

The people who are so passionate about this service, don’t realize that the 
blind are 70 percent unemployed.

What about those people?

I went to the Ohio State University and went everywhere I wanted to go with my 
good, old cane, and I do so today.

Technology is just getting out of hand, I think.

It is making some people lazy.

Also, why are blind people alone all of the time.

I hear so many blind people say that they are alone here and there, and they 
need this service.

I always have people around everywhere I go , practically.

How many sighted people go out and roam around alone.

Another thing this brings up, is that blind people need to be with sighted 
people, instead of using a service like this.

We are becoming a society where everyone wants to do everything for him or her 
self, instead of relying on each other.

Many cultures would not think of doing so many things alone like we do in the 
west, and I assume Australia 

And New Zealand.

Mexicans love to live with their extended family.

They would not live alone if their life depended on it.

Technology like this AIRA, are just causing people to be alone more with their 
technology.

When I ride the bus, I am always talking to people.

I do not even want to get on my phone!

I love talking to strangers the whole time I am out, , not on a device.

Thanks for putting up with my little rant.

Sometimes, I think the blind were better off, when they had to get a reader to 
read everything to them, and they had to remember it or take good Braille 

Re: Aira

[Andy Baracco]

Most of my lyft rides have gone well, but last week a driver refused to take us 
because of my wife's walker.  He canceled the ride and we were charged $5 for a 
no show even though we were, in fact, in the car and he asked us to get out.  
Fortunately, I was able to get the charge reversed.  Two days later we had a 
driver pull up, and when she saw my white cane and my wife's support cane, she 
took off.  The service is great, but still has some work to be done.

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: M.E.N. 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 9:54 PM
  Subject: Re: Aira


  I am certainly no expert, but I have been using both Lyft and Uber for the 
last year and absolutely love them. I have found the drivers friendly, polite 
and very helpful and never felt the least uncomfortable. Some are, of course 
better than others but in all the many rides I have taken, I have only had two 
drivers who got less than a five star rating from me. 
  I realize the experiences will very depending on where you are located but if 
there are no issues being reported in your area, just give it a try. The 
freedom and independence this service has provided is extremely pleasant.

  From: Bill Outman 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 3:10 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: RE: Aira

  I wasn’t going to jump in on this thread, but your post caught my attention.  
Some of these apps and services will be discussed on a technology call I’ll be 
on in a few hours sponsored through Hadley Institute for the Blind and Visually 
Impaired.  

   

  You mentioned stranger danger.  This is a social issue for me that sometimes 
keeps me from asking for help.I’ve seen AIRA demonstrated at various NFB state 
and national conventions I’ve attended, but the cost is a limiting factor for 
me now.  I have Be My Eyes on my phone but haven’t used it out of the issue of 
dealing with someone I don’t know, and admit even the name of the app reminds 
me squarely of my limitations.  I haven’t even learned how tou use Facetime, 
though I think I could do it.  Seeing AI and K-NFB Reader are both part of my 
world.  

   

  The stranger issue has kept me from trying Uber and Lyft, even though I have 
both apps.  Yet I can use cabs and the local paratransit, and even used it in 
another community for a convention.  I am glad all these services and apps 
exist to give us more choices than we used to have, but I need help in working 
through some of my issues to use these options more effectively.  

   

  Bill Outman 

  Secretary, Greater Daytona Beach Chapter 

  National Federation of the Blind of Florida 

   

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
  Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 5:30 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Aira

   

  Good God… When did this become a commentary on pseudo-social anthropology?

  Everyone’s got different needs and lifestyles. Maybe folks don’t have a huge 
family or sighted social network they can rely upon. Maybe folks aren’t 
comfortable for reasons X, Y or Z with just going around and asking random 
people on the street for help. Ever heard of stranger danger? Maybe folks have 
different levels of mobility skills or abilities. Maybe, maybe, maybe. I 
currently don’t have the need for Aira, but I’m not going to go all luddite and 
argue the other way. Thank goodness for innovations like this. Be it Aira, 
Facetime, BeMyEyes, the myriad GPS apps/services, etc. There apparently seems 
to be a nitch/market/need for them.

  And for the record and to refute silly tropes. This is one Mexican who if I 
never saw a lot of my cousins or extended family again, I wouldn’t shed a tear. 
Gimmy a break. 

   

   

  Cristóbal

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of David 
Moore
  Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 2:10 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Aira

   

  Hi Andy,

  I totally agree as well.

  How many blind people can afford $200.00 or more a month to get unlimited 
service to have an entire play at the theater described for them.

  The people who are so passionate about this service, don’t realize that the 
blind are 70 percent unemployed.

  What about those people?

  I went to the Ohio State University and went everywhere I wanted to go with 
my good, old cane, and I do so today.

  Technology is just getting out of hand, I think.

  It is making some people lazy.

  Also, why are blind people alone all of the time.

  I hear so many blind people say that they are alone here and there, and they 
need this service.

  I always have people around everywhere I go , practically.

  How many sighted people go out and roam around alone.

  Another thing this brings up, is that blind people need to be with sighted 
people, instead of using a service like this.

  We are becoming a society where everyone wants to do everything for him or 
her self, instead of 

RE: Aira

[llumpkin]

That’s terrible. I’d file a complaint with the company and never use them again.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 12:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Aira

 

Most of my lyft rides have gone well, but last week a driver refused to take us 
because of my wife's walker.  He canceled the ride and we were charged $5 for a 
no show even though we were, in fact, in the car and he asked us to get out.  
Fortunately, I was able to get the charge reversed.  Two days later we had a 
driver pull up, and when she saw my white cane and my wife's support cane, she 
took off.  The service is great, but still has some work to be done.

 

Andy

 

- Original Message - 

From: M.E.N.   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 9:54 PM

Subject: Re: Aira

 

I am certainly no expert, but I have been using both Lyft and Uber for the last 
year and absolutely love them. I have found the drivers friendly, polite and 
very helpful and never felt the least uncomfortable. Some are, of course better 
than others but in all the many rides I have taken, I have only had two drivers 
who got less than a five star rating from me. 

I realize the experiences will very depending on where you are located but if 
there are no issues being reported in your area, just give it a try. The 
freedom and independence this service has provided is extremely pleasant.

 

From: Bill Outman 

Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 3:10 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Subject: RE: Aira

 

I wasn’t going to jump in on this thread, but your post caught my attention.  
Some of these apps and services will be discussed on a technology call I’ll be 
on in a few hours sponsored through Hadley Institute for the Blind and Visually 
Impaired.  

 

You mentioned stranger danger.  This is a social issue for me that sometimes 
keeps me from asking for help.I’ve seen AIRA demonstrated at various NFB state 
and national conventions I’ve attended, but the cost is a limiting factor for 
me now.  I have Be My Eyes on my phone but haven’t used it out of the issue of 
dealing with someone I don’t know, and admit even the name of the app reminds 
me squarely of my limitations.  I haven’t even learned how tou use Facetime, 
though I think I could do it.  Seeing AI and K-NFB Reader are both part of my 
world.  

 

The stranger issue has kept me from trying Uber and Lyft, even though I have 
both apps.  Yet I can use cabs and the local paratransit, and even used it in 
another community for a convention.  I am glad all these services and apps 
exist to give us more choices than we used to have, but I need help in working 
through some of my issues to use these options more effectively.  

 

Bill Outman 

Secretary, Greater Daytona Beach Chapter 

National Federation of the Blind of Florida 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 5:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Aira

 

Good God… When did this become a commentary on pseudo-social anthropology?

Everyone’s got different needs and lifestyles. Maybe folks don’t have a huge 
family or sighted social network they can rely upon. Maybe folks aren’t 
comfortable for reasons X, Y or Z with just going around and asking random 
people on the street for help. Ever heard of stranger danger? Maybe folks have 
different levels of mobility skills or abilities. Maybe, maybe, maybe. I 
currently don’t have the need for Aira, but I’m not going to go all luddite and 
argue the other way. Thank goodness for innovations like this. Be it Aira, 
Facetime, BeMyEyes, the myriad GPS apps/services, etc. There apparently seems 
to be a nitch/market/need for them.

And for the record and to refute silly tropes. This is one Mexican who if I 
never saw a lot of my cousins or extended family again, I wouldn’t shed a tear. 
Gimmy a break. 

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
David Moore
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Aira

 

Hi Andy,

I totally agree as well.

How many blind people can afford $200.00 or more a month to get unlimited 
service to have an entire play at the theater described for them.

The people who are so passionate about this service, don’t realize that the 
blind are 70 percent unemployed.

What about those people?

I went to the Ohio State University and went everywhere I wanted to go with my 
good, old cane, and I do so today.

Technology is just getting out of hand, I think.

It is making some people lazy.

Also, why are blind people alone all of the time.

I 

Re: Facebook stories??

['Louana Sterling' via VIPhone]

Because I would love to be able to see them and I can not. Lol

> On Jan 29, 2019, at 8:28 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hate it why? It’s easy to just ignore it.
>  
> From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 9:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Facebook stories??
>  
> Pictures they post and i hate this. 
> 
> On Jan 29, 2019, at 11:32 AM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
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>  
> 
> On Jan 29, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Tom  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
>  
> I’ve noticed, that when using the Facebook app on the iPhone, I tend to get a 
> lot of “stories”.  It will have a friend’s name and will say something about 
> their unread or unseen story.  What is that all about?  I see their posts.  
> And, more and more, as I’m scrolling through, I just get these “unread story” 
> deals that I don’t understand.
> I don’t see any of this when I’m on my computer and thought perhaps some of 
> you might know what’s going on. 
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RE: An Aira Update

[Tom Rash]

Well, for someone tired of hitting the delete key, you sure muscled up some 
energy there.  Next time, go back to the delete key.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave 
Mitchel 
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 10:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An Aira Update

I could care less what Mark says 1 way or another. I think this whole damned 
thing was blown out of proportion by a bunch of whining people. I have about 
worn my finger out with the delete key and I really don't care who goes or who 
stays.
I really think it is about time people grew up.
I'm so tired of being preached to about is thing or that thing and how to act 
as a blind person. all of you stop thinking you are unique or think all blind 
people are unique. as individuals we are unique...we have our own thoughts on 
what to do and how to do it.
I am on lists to learn things I want to know about. We all have bad days and 
say things we wish could be taken back...all of us...I don't care if your name 
is Mark or Seighardt  or Jonathan or David. For goodness sake people let this 
thing go and get back to assisting others with questions and answers about 
whatever technological topic is up at the time on whatever list you are on at 
the time.
I admit I have never been on a list with sighted people, but I truly hope that 
this childish behavior is limited to the a small portion of the blind community.
try the serenity prayer people!

-Original Message-
From: Marie
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 8:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An Aira Update

I have to agree with you on this and also wonder why Mark has not responded in 
any way. I think we would all appreciate some kind of clarification on the 
issue.
Marie


-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 8:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Aira Update

Hi Marie,

I haven't decided yet, but I don't think maturity has anything to do with it, 
it comes down to principle.
What really surprises me is that Mark posted what he did and never provided any 
further explanation or responded to any of the dozens of posts. He also didn't 
close the topic, but he posted two articles which would indicate that it's not 
a matter of him not having caught up with the list. I for one would appreciate 
a post from him regardless whether it's one where he maintains his position or 
one where he clarifies whether he has changed his opinion regarding this based 
on what was said. Just ignoring this doesn't help in making it clear whether in 
future it is OK to post anything which has to do with a service rather than 
directly with what button to tap in an app.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 8:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An Aira Update

I would hope that people like Sieghard and Richard are too mature to leave the 
list over a disagreement such as this one. They are both a wonderful source of 
assistance on all the uses of our IO devices.
Marie


-Original Message-
From: Maria Reyes
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 10:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An Aira Update

Hey Carolyn. Me too. I've been here for quite a while and love this list. We 
have a lot of resourceful people on list. I would hate to lose them.

Sent from my Sprint iPhone X!!!
see: tech4theblind+subscr...@groups.io if you want to talk blind technology!!

> On Jan 27, 2019, at 8:52 PM, Mr. Ed  wrote:
>
> I agree with you 100 percent on this Sieghard. Well said.
> Mr. Ed
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 1:06 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: An Aira Update
>
> I agree that Aira while having come up at various times before is 
> certainly not in everybody's face all the time. If you, Andy, are 
> subscribe to so many lists and Podcasts where it is discussed you 
> obviously have a great deal of spare time for all this. I can hardly 
> keep up with the Viphone, Jaws and Windows 10 groups which I am 
> subscribed to and rarely do I hear about Aira. In fact, it's on my 
> list of things to do to find out more about what Aira is offering in Canada.
> I certainly did not consider Jonathan's post inappropriate in any way 
> and find it regrettable that Mark apparently judged it to be so. I 
> don't think in a case like Aira you can separate the app from the 
> service. There are many examples on this list where services are 
> discussed. People ask questions about Apple Music or Netflix and not 
> always is the question strictly about the Music app or the Netflix app 
> but about the service in general and I therefore wonder what makes 
> Aira so different. There have been lengthy discussions here about the 
> services and phone plans offered by various 

When Sending a Group Message, People with Androids Not Receiving It

[sherrywells1157]

Hello all,

Another problem has cropped up since updating my IPhone 5s to the latest
version of IOS.  When I send a group message, only those with IPhones
receive it.  Those with Androids get nothing although they get all the
responses to my group message from others.  I am able to send an individual
text to someone with an Android successfully; it is only group messages that
are a problem.  I checked settings, messages & send with SMS is on.  There
is a group option in message settings.  It is on.  I get no error messages
or no indication that my message was not received by all.  Is there some
other setting somewhere I need to change?  Of course this was working fine
before I upgraded IOS.

Thanks,
Sherry Wells

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Re: When Sending a Group Message, People with Androids Not Receiving It

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Hi,
I suggest you turn off iMessage than turn it back on.

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On Jan 29, 2019, at 6:48 AM, 
"sherrywells1...@gmail.com" 
mailto:sherrywells1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello all,

Another problem has cropped up since updating my IPhone 5s to the latest
version of IOS.  When I send a group message, only those with IPhones
receive it.  Those with Androids get nothing although they get all the
responses to my group message from others.  I am able to send an individual
text to someone with an Android successfully; it is only group messages that
are a problem.  I checked settings, messages & send with SMS is on.  There
is a group option in message settings.  It is on.  I get no error messages
or no indication that my message was not received by all.  Is there some
other setting somewhere I need to change?  Of course this was working fine
before I upgraded IOS.

Thanks,
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Re: Major iPhone FaceTime bug lets you hear the audio of the person you are calling ... before they pick up, 9 to 5 Mac

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Don’t want to depress myself.

Regards, 


> On Jan 29, 2019, at 12:23 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Major iPhone FaceTime bug lets you hear the audio of the person you are
> calling . before they pick up
> By Benjamin Mayo 
> 
> A significant bug has been discovered in FaceTime and is currently spreading
> virally over social media. The bug lets you call anyone with FaceTime, and
> immediately hear the audio coming from their phone - before the person on
> the other end has accepted or rejected the incoming call. Apple says the
> issue will be addressed in a software update "later this week".
> Naturally, this poses a pretty privacy problem as you can essentially listen
> in on any iOS user, although it still rings like normal, so you can't be
> 100% covert about it. Nevertheless, there is no indication on the
> recipient's side that you could hear any of their audio.
> Update: There's a second part to this which can expose video too .
> 9to5Mac has reproduced the FaceTime bug with an iPhone X calling an iPhone
> XR, but it is believed to affect any pair of iOS devices running iOS 12.1 or
> later.
> Here's how to do the iPhone FaceTime bug:
> .Start a FaceTime Video call with an iPhone contact.
> .Whilst the call is dialling, swipe up from the bottom of the screen
> and tap Add Person.
> .Add your own phone number in the Add Person screen.
> .You will then start a group FaceTime call including yourself and the
> audio of the person you originally called, even if they haven't accepted the
> call yet.
> It will look like in the UI like the other person has joined the group chat,
> but on their actual device it will still be ringing on the lockscreen.
> 
> Whilst the call is ringing, swipe up from the bottom of the screen and add
> yourself to the call.
> The damage potential here is real. You can listen in to soundbites of any
> iPhone user's ongoing conversation without them ever knowing that you could
> hear them. Until Apple fixes the bug, it's not clear how to defend yourself
> against this attack either aside from disabling FaceTime altogether.
> As it stands, if your phone is ringing with an incoming FaceTime request,
> the person on the other end could be listening in.
> What we have also found is that if the person presses the Power button from
> the lock screen, their video is also sent to the caller - unbeknownst to
> them. In this situation, the receiver can now hear your own audio, but they
> do not know they are transmitting their audio and video back to you. From
> their perspective, all they can see is accept and decline. (Another update:
> It seems there are other ways of triggering the video feed eavesdrop too.)
> We have also replicated the problem with an iPhone calling a Mac. By
> default, the Mac rings for longer than a phone so it can act as a bug for an
> even longer duration.
> Apple has said the issue will be fixed in a software update later in the
> week. Until then, if you are concerned, you should disable FaceTime in iOS
> Settings.
> 
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> https://9to5mac.com/2019/01/28/facetime-bug-hear-audio/
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