Re: An Aira Update

Dave Mitchel Tue, 29 Jan 2019 08:42:45 -0800

any time I see your name I will. thx for all your advice on life.

-----Original Message-----From: Tom Rash

Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 5:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Aira Update

Well, for someone tired of hitting the delete key, you sure muscled up someenergy there. Next time, go back to the delete key.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of DaveMitchel

Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 10:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An Aira Update

I could care less what Mark says 1 way or another. I think this whole damnedthing was blown out of proportion by a bunch of whining people. I have aboutworn my finger out with the delete key and I really don't care who goes orwho stays.

I really think it is about time people grew up.

I'm so tired of being preached to about is thing or that thing and how toact as a blind person. all of you stop thinking you are unique or think allblind people are unique. as individuals we are unique...we have our ownthoughts on what to do and how to do it.I am on lists to learn things I want to know about. We all have bad days andsay things we wish could be taken back...all of us...I don't care if yourname is Mark or Seighardt or Jonathan or David. For goodness sake peoplelet this thing go and get back to assisting others with questions andanswers about whatever technological topic is up at the time on whateverlist you are on at the time.I admit I have never been on a list with sighted people, but I truly hopethat this childish behavior is limited to the a small portion of the blindcommunity.

try the serenity prayer people!

-----Original Message-----
From: Marie
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 8:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An Aira Update

I have to agree with you on this and also wonder why Mark has not respondedin any way. I think we would all appreciate some kind of clarification onthe issue.

Marie


-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 8:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Aira Update

Hi Marie,

I haven't decided yet, but I don't think maturity has anything to do withit, it comes down to principle.What really surprises me is that Mark posted what he did and never providedany further explanation or responded to any of the dozens of posts. He alsodidn't close the topic, but he posted two articles which would indicate thatit's not a matter of him not having caught up with the list. I for one wouldappreciate a post from him regardless whether it's one where he maintainshis position or one where he clarifies whether he has changed his opinionregarding this based on what was said. Just ignoring this doesn't help inmaking it clear whether in future it is OK to post anything which has to dowith a service rather than directly with what button to tap in an app.


Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 8:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An Aira Update

I would hope that people like Sieghard and Richard are too mature to leavethe list over a disagreement such as this one. They are both a wonderfulsource of assistance on all the uses of our IO devices.

Marie


-----Original Message-----
From: Maria Reyes
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 10:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An Aira Update

Hey Carolyn. Me too. I've been here for quite a while and love this list. Wehave a lot of resourceful people on list. I would hate to lose them.


Sent from my Sprint iPhone X!!!

see: tech4theblind+subscr...@groups.io if you want to talk blindtechnology!!

On Jan 27, 2019, at 8:52 PM, Mr. Ed <pink...@abe.midco.net> wrote:

I agree with you 100 percent on this Sieghard. Well said.
Mr. Ed

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 1:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Aira Update

I agree that Aira while having come up at various times before is
certainly not in everybody's face all the time. If you, Andy, are
subscribe to so many lists and Podcasts where it is discussed you
obviously have a great deal of spare time for all this. I can hardly
keep up with the Viphone, Jaws and Windows 10 groups which I am
subscribed to and rarely do I hear about Aira. In fact, it's on my

list of things to do to find out more about what Aira is offering inCanada.

I certainly did not consider Jonathan's post inappropriate in any way
and find it regrettable that Mark apparently judged it to be so. I
don't think in a case like Aira you can separate the app from the
service. There are many examples on this list where services are
discussed. People ask questions about Apple Music or Netflix and not
always is the question strictly about the Music app or the Netflix app
but about the service in general and I therefore wonder what makes
Aira so different. There have been lengthy discussions here about the
services and phone plans offered by various US cell phone providers
where I am pretty sure Mark has participated or even initiated the
topic and that is hardly only iPhone related.
But of course groups like Viphone are not democracies and Mark is the
moderator so I guess his word is the law, but it is unfortunate to
loose any future contributions of a member as accomplished and
well-regarded as Jonathan.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of
Janet Bell
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 10:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An Aira Update

if you get so much information about stuff maybe you should look at
your own subscriptions.  I am glad it has been put up on this list
because I have never heard of it and it seems like a good idea to me
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Baracco
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 4:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An Aira Update

It's not that jonathan isn't welcome, it the aiRa propaganda.

Personally, I'm tired of them always being in my face, i. e. Emails,podcasts, etc.

they're not new, and I'm tired of hearing about them.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mary Otten" <motte...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: An Aira Update

I’m not Jonathan, but when the moderator of the list says that such
posts are not welcome, what else would you expect?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 26, 2019, at 7:41 PM, Jewel <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz> wrote:

Jonathon!  Why punish us all just because of the negative reaction of
a very few?

    Jewel

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From: "Jonathan Mosen" <jmo...@mosen.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 3:42 PM
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: An Aira Update

Hi Mark and everyone. Given this new policy, I'll be unsubscribing
after around 9 years on the group, but I want to express my
disappointment about this change.
During Cara's excellent and even-handed leadership of this group, we
had many occasions where app developers would engage with us about
their apps, especially when those apps were blindness specific.
Since this particular app was one that has come up here on multiple
occasions, with some mentioning it as one of their top apps of 2018,
it seemed appropriate, on-topic, and of value to interested members
to let them know about recent developments, especially a free trial.
This has been welcomed on other groups.
It's a difficult and false distinction to separate the app from the
service, when the app is the vehicle for that service.
Further, the service itself would in the past have been considered
on-topic, because one uses it on an iPhone and it is blindness
specific.
Anyway, I've learned a great deal over the last 9 years, so thanks to
everyone for that.
Should you wish to be on a group where app developers and users can
freely interact, you're welcome to join my BlindPhones list, which
covers both iOS and Android. If an app developer wishes to take time
to engage, they are welcomed with open arms.
blindphones+subscr...@groups.io.
And of course as has been already pointed out in this thread, there's
an Aira group too.
Thanks all.

Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, audiobooks and training
http://www.mosen.org

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of M.
Taylor
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 2:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Aira Update

I see your point, Andy.  Be that as it may, any new service being
offered to our community, is always appreciated.

However, and this is to everyone, the iOS app only, is to be
discussed on this list.  Any questions regarding the service, itself,
to be taken off-list, immediately.

Thank you all for observing this policy.

Moderator Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An Aira Update

I didn't know that ads were allowed on this list.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "James English" <james13engl...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: An Aira Update

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On 1/26/19, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote:
Hi all. Since the middle of October, I've been Aira's VP of
Explorer communications. Since Aira has an iOS app, I thought the
following info may be of interest to some.

For those not familiar with Aira, we provide real-tine audio
description of anything visual, provided by security-vetted,
trained professionals.
You
can
use it with your iPhone on its own, or if you perform any tasks
where it's useful to have both of your hands free, we offer
optional smart glasses.

The Aira app is free, and it's free to use in an increasing number
of locations, or for an increasing number of tasks. We also offer
subscription plans, much like cell phone plans, where you can use
it for any task, anywhere.

If you've been curious about Aira and have wanted to take it for a
spin in your own environment, we've released a free 7-Day Trial of
our full paid service. This offer means that anyone with a free
account can try anytime access to Aira's professional agents
whenever it suits them - just like a paying subscriber.



The 7-Day Trial provides 30 minutes to try Aira's service over a
period of seven days. Some of that time will be used for setting up
account preferences and asking questions about the service, but the
majority of that time is free to use for any task. It's a great
opportunity for people new to Aira to experience why so many use it
as a must-have tool for enhancing everyday life.



Got some mail that needs sorting? Need a professional agent to
connect to your computer to help with an inaccessible site? Or just
want to research nearby restaurants or stores? Well, now you can,
as a free user and from the comfort of your home.

For all the details including a list of frequently asked questions,
head on over to

https://aira.io/free-trial

Second, Aira has recently released a comprehensive series of
training modules available for streaming online, or for download in
DAISY and MP3.
You can find it at:

http://aira.io/training. This is a good way to learn about Aira
even if you're not signed up yet but are curious. Because this is
such a new class of technology, many people not only want to know
how to use Aira, but how it might fit into their toolbox of
blindness skills and apps.

Finally, we've just launched a podcast, called Airacast.

It's packed with news, interviews, tips, tricks, listener comments
and more.

Subscribe to Airacast now from all the places most people get their
podcasts, including iTunes/Apple Podcasts, Google Play Music,
Stitcher, TuneIn and more. Spotify is coming soon, iHeart Radio in
a couple of months and an Alexa skill will be released eventually.

Many people enjoy hearing podcasts through HumanWare's Victor
Reader Stream, so of course it's listed there too.

Should you wish to enter the RSS feed manually into your podcast
client right away, it is:

https://airacast.libsyn.com/rss

Search for Airacast in your podcast app of choice, or Here's an
Apple podcasts link for you.

https://itunes.apple.com/nz/podcast/airacast-with-jonathan-mosen/id
144988870
1

All the best.

Jonathan

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