glass reinforced concrete
Frank Grimer posted I must admit - I'm more than a bit suspicious of consultants like Frost and Sullivan, too. Pilkington Brothers got no less than four sets of consultants to approve their launch of Glass-Reinforced Cement. I said PB were mad and that GRC would fail when the strain capacity ran out at 5 years. Somewhat to my surprise and enormous schadenfreude GRC failed right on time. I'm curious about the failure of the GRC Frank. Why did it fail? and how did you estimate the time before failure? --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
Re: The Electromotive Series The Metal-Water Interface
The Autoionization of Water and the Joe Cell self-electrolysis becomes less of a miracle, doesn't it? http://www.diracdelta.co.uk/science/source/e/l/electromotive%20series/source.html
Re: The Electromotive Series The Metal-Water Interface
More good advice. Galvanizing. :-) http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/corrosion/galvanic.htm - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber To: vortex-l Sent: 5/15/2006 1:45:51 AM Subject: Re: The Electromotive Series The Metal-Water Interface The Autoionization of Water and the Joe Cell self-electrolysis becomes less of a miracle, doesn't it? http://www.diracdelta.co.uk/science/source/e/l/electromotive%20series/source.html
Re: Joe Cell Variant?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Ryan's water fuel. What is it about being downunder? http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individualvideoid=7009 13288n=2 Terry ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com Ryans url http://www.biosmeanslife.com/benefits.html
Re: Joe Cell Variant?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Ryan's water fuel. What is it about being downunder? http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individualvideoid=7009 13288n=2 Terry ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com Its defiantly not joecell the fuel in a joecell is a cold plasma not liquids. the extra energy in a joecell is because the plasma is H+ and O+, no outer electrons so it wont burn until the plasma can steal electrons from some thing in the carbuater. Ryans fuel could be methanol: tasteless, colorless and looks like water. If his device is a chemical cell producing hydrogen then reacting that hydrogen with the correct catalyst and carbon source in the cell will produce methanol. An Electrolytic driven converter would amount to the tapping of a corrosion process to drive the conversion of carbon and water into methanol. Did anyone spot Steve Ryans web address when his web site was flashed up on the screen?
Re: The Electromotive Series The Metal-Water Interface
Going back to mine original contention that the Free Energy of Autoionization in water or the Ion Product and The Helmholtz Metral-Water Interface Phenomena (Zeta Potential) will allow Free Energy Dissociation of the water into O,OH , O2 and H, H2 gases in a cell with stable/passive electrodes if a Contact Potential "Bias" (in lieu of a battery) on the electrodes provides a current path. http://chimge.unil.ch/En/ph/1ph4.htm By the end of chapter 3 it starts to sink in. :-) http://www.tu-darmstadt.de/fb/ms/student/fs/german/lab/w10/mse10-0.htm 10.1 Electrochemical Reactions 10.2 Cell Potentials and the EMF Series 10.3 Galvanic Corrosion The Autoionization of Water and the Joe Cell self-electrolysis becomes less of a miracle, doesn't it? http://www.diracdelta.co.uk/science/source/e/l/electromotive%20series/source.html http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/corrosion/galvanic.htm
RE: Betteries
The thing to analyze is the efficiency. 20% for the Euro device is a bit painful. As I look into the archives, I see Chris Zell originally posted on this Al bettery some time ago. US patent 6,482,548 describes a similar technology with almost as great an energy density: ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com
Running on water?
From ZPEnergy.com 100 miles on 4 ounces of water? Posted on Sunday, May 14, 2006 @ 23:09:41 PDT by rob Science Anonymous writes: From KeelyNet news; 05/13/06 - 1994 Ford Escort gets 100 miles from 4 oz water Denny Klein just patented his process of converting H2O to HHO, producing a gas that combines the atomic power of hydrogen with the chemical stability of water. it turns right back to water. In fact, you can see the h20 running off the sheet metal. Klein originally designed his water-burning engine for cutting metal. He thought his invention could replace acetylene in welding factories. Then one day as he drove to his laboratory in Clearwater, he thought of another way to burn his HHO gas. On a 100 mile trip, we use about four ounces of water. Klein says his prototype 1994 Ford Escort can travel exclusively on water, though he currently has it rigged to run as a water and gasoline hybrid. 2005 Article - Working in a small, two-room shop at the Airport Business Center, Klein, 63, said he has developed a gas that speeds welding and fusing times and improves automobile fuel efficiency 30 percent. Flipping a switch on his H2O 1500, Klein picks up a hose with a metal tip, creates a spark, and instantly a blue and white glowing stream shoots out of the metal tip. He holds the tip with his fingers to prove how cool it is to the touch, unlike such a tip when oxy-acetylene is burned for welding. But the instant he sets the flame on a charcoal briquette, it glows bright orange. Then, within seconds, he burns a hole through a brick, cuts steel and melts Tungsten. The temperature of the flame is 259 degrees Fahrenheit. But it instantaneously rises to the melting temperature of whatever it touches, Klein said. Those temperatures can exceed 10,000 degrees Fahrenheit. You can't do this with any other gas, he said. Klein also has outfitted a 1994 Ford Escort station wagon with a smaller electrolyzer that injects his HHO into the gasoline in the car's engine. He said he has increased his mileage per gallon by 30 percent. / He doesn't yet have a patent, only this 40 page application and it is, I think, bustable by several 'prior art' (Rhodes) patents and Yull Brown public claims/demos for many years before - Patent Application - 20060075683 - April 13, 2006 - An electrolyzer which decomposes distilled water into a new fuel composed of hydrogen, oxygen and their molecular and magnecular bonds, called HHO. The electrolyzer can be used to provide the new combustible gas as an additive to combustion engine fuels or in flame or other generating equipment such as torches and welders. It will be soon evident that, despite a number of similarities, the HHO gas is dramatically different than the Brown gas or other gases produced by pre-existing electrolyzers. In fact, the latter is a combination of conventional hydrogen and conventional oxygen gases, that is, gases possessing the conventional molecular structure, having the exact stochiometric ratio of 2/3 hydrogen and 1/3 oxygen. As we shall see, the HHO gas does not have such an exact stochiometric ratio but instead has basically a structure having a magnecular characteristic, including the presence of clusters in macroscopic percentages that cannot be explained via the usual valence bond. As a consequence, the constituents clusters of the Brown Gas and the HHO gas are dramatically different both in percentages as well as in chemical composition, as shown below. With the use of only 4 Kwh, an electrolyzer rapidly converts water into 55 standard cubic feet (scf) of HHO gas at 35 pounds per square inch (psi). By using the average daily cost of electricity at the rate of $0.08/Kwh, the above efficiency implies the direct cost of the HHO gas of $0.007/scf. It then follows that the HHO gas is cost competitive with respect to existing fuels. (Great name for the gas...Rhodes was first, Brown copied him, now Klein copies Brown though he says not...so how about just HHO gas! - JWD)
RE: John Herman
Cynic... hee hee hee. -j -Original Message-From: RC Macaulay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 7:12 AMTo: vortex-l@eskimo.comSubject: John Herman Howdy John, Pour yourself a cup of coffee, have a seat and welcome to the conversation. GRC is glass reinforced concrete but Grimer can explain the idea sorta crumbled. Pappajo engines evolved from the time when kids were searching for something better than rubber bands. Hydrinos are sorta like the story of the crazy aunt where one can make up their own scenario of what or who is actually in the basement making strange noises. Our esteemed leader-moderator has apparently grown fond of his collection of "persons" that populate the Vorts section of the asylum. Warning however, some are very good at playing poker with a pinocle deck. Richard
Home Power Hybrid
Home Power magazine ( June 06) did a nice analysis of a Ford hybrid vs non hybrid. The guy intends to keep it for ten years @ 20K miles a year. He projects coming out well ahead - and throws in a battery change in year 6. I'd still like to hear more evidence about superior gas mileage on highway driving , however. It's hard to understand the improvement in efficiency over a regular car in high gear and cruising.
Re: Running on water?
Mark, et al. This looks like Magnegas, the sequel... The Klein patent application is online: http://tinyurl.com/z6f6p or http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.htmlr=2f=Gl=50co1=ANDd=PG01s1=Klein.IN.s2=water.AB.OS=IN/Klein+AND+ABST/waterRS=IN/Klein+AND+ABST/water First red-flag that pops-up pretty quickly is the co-inventor is Ruggero Santilli - of Magnegas fame - or infamy (depending on whether you are a previous investor, or target of his countersuits, or not). And, hey, aren't they the ones who had the big explosion - trying to prove you could store the gas? R. Santilli has been pushing this theme for many years, and maybe his new partner or whatever... has worked out some of the bugs of Magnegas ... ... or not. At least the timing is more opportune for an alternative. Klein and his new crop of investors probably did not want to advertise those little past problems and history, as apparently there are a few legal issues pending. Jones
Marketing realities
Howdy Vorts, One of the realities of marketing is that you can build almost anything you can sell but you cannot always sell what you can build. Story of the " world's best dog food manufacturer". They held a convention for their entire worldwide organization. The leader addressed the audience with the statements.. we make the best dog food, use the choice ingredients, have the best can and label, spend the most on advertizing, pay the best salaries. my question is WHY DON'T IT SELL??? Nobody would speak up even under prompting... finally a kid from Texas sitting in the back shouted.. THE DOGS WONT EAT IT!!. Make something the dogs will eat and we can sell it without the fancy. The adage about building a better mousetrap and people will beat a path to your door is hot air talking. Show me a person that can sell mousetraps and I can build anything you can sell. There may be ways to run engines on water but it will sit in the garage until somebody cansell the idea. That folks , is the real problem hindering the advance of CF.. sell some and somebody will build some. Cameron Iron Works div. of Cooper Industries started back in the Spindletop days early 1900's. A oil driller sent his hand into Houston to get a blacksmith shop to build something he had sketched on a paper bag. He told his hand not to come back without it . Cameron built it and later had the blowout preventor that led the industry. Richard
Re: Running on water?
-Original Message- From: Mark Goldes From ZPEnergy.com 100 miles on 4 ounces of water? Posted on Sunday, May 14, 2006 @ 23:09:41 PDT by rob Science Anonymous writes: From KeelyNet news; 05/13/06 - 1994 Ford Escort gets 100 miles from 4 oz water Denny Klein just patented his process of converting H2O to HHO, producing a gas that combines the atomic power of hydrogen with the chemical stability of water. Here's his patent: http://geocities.com/terry1094/Klein_Electrolysis_Patent.pdf looks like plain old electrolysis to me. Terry ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com
Re: Running on water?
The Electrolyzer Design described looks almost identical to a Joe Cell. :-) [Original Message] From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: 5/15/2006 9:45:34 AM Subject: Re: Running on water? Mark, et al. This looks like Magnegas, the sequel... The Klein patent application is online: http://tinyurl.com/z6f6p or http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=%2F netahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.htmlr=2f=Gl=50co1=ANDd=PG01s1=Klein.IN.s 2=water.AB.OS=IN/Klein+AND+ABST/waterRS=IN/Klein+AND+ABST/water First red-flag that pops-up pretty quickly is the co-inventor is Ruggero Santilli - of Magnegas fame - or infamy (depending on whether you are a previous investor, or target of his countersuits, or not). And, hey, aren't they the ones who had the big explosion - trying to prove you could store the gas? R. Santilli has been pushing this theme for many years, and maybe his new partner or whatever... has worked out some of the bugs of Magnegas ... ... or not. At least the timing is more opportune for an alternative. Klein and his new crop of investors probably did not want to advertise those little past problems and history, as apparently there are a few legal issues pending. Jones
Re: Lunar FE?
At 04:24 pm 17/05/2006 -0400, Pteranodon wrote: Countries that lose their place in the world never regain it..Egypt.Phoenicia.GreeceRomeSpainEngland... # There'll always be an England, While there's a country lane. Wherever there's a cottage small Beside a field of grain There'll always be an England While there's a busy street. Wherever there's a turning wheel A million marching feet. There'll always be an England And England shall be free If England means as much to you As England means to me. # Unfortunately, your point is proved, rather, by the pious hope I left out 8-( # Red, white and blue What does it mean to you? Surely you're proud Shout it loud Britons awake! The Empire too We can depend on you. Freedom remains These are the chains Nothing can break. # Cheers, Frank
Re: Marketing realities
That folks , is the real problem hindering the advance of CF.. sell some and somebody will build some. Well... Not quite. You have to Make something the dogs will eat - at least a little... and sell them. Then somebody will build some more. And more dogs will eat. Then somebody will build some more. Then somebody will build some more... etc., etc. Look at the automobile industry. The biggest hurdle is to get cold fusion out of the talk-talk-fuss-fuss, stage and into the sell-sell stage. But there has to be something the dogs will eat. (Not being insulting; it's simply a good metaphor.) P. At 10:28 AM 5/15/2006 -0500, you wrote: Howdy Vorts, One of the realities of marketing is that you can build almost anything you can sell but you cannot always sell what you can build. Story of the world's best dog food manufacturer. They held a convention for their entire worldwide organization. The leader addressed the audience with the statements.. we make the best dog food, use the choice ingredients, have the best can and label, spend the most on advertizing, pay the best salaries. my question is WHY DON'T IT SELL??? Nobody would speak up even under prompting... finally a kid from Texas sitting in the back shouted.. THE DOGS WONT EAT IT!!. Make something the dogs will eat and we can sell it without the fancy. The adage about building a better mousetrap and people will beat a path to your door is hot air talking. Show me a person that can sell mousetraps and I can build anything you can sell. There may be ways to run engines on water but it will sit in the garage until somebody can sell the idea. That folks , is the real problem hindering the advance of CF.. sell some and somebody will build some. Cameron Iron Works div. of Cooper Industries started back in the Spindletop days early 1900's. A oil driller sent his hand into Houston to get a blacksmith shop to build something he had sketched on a paper bag. He told his hand not to come back without it . Cameron built it and later had the blowout preventor that led the industry. Richard
Re: glass reinforced concrete
At 02:32 am 15/05/2006 -0500, Thomas wrote: Frank Grimer posted I must admit - I'm more than a bit suspicious of consultants like Frost and Sullivan, too. Pilkington Brothers got no less than four sets of consultants to approve their launch of Glass-Reinforced Cement. I said PB were mad and that GRC would fail when the strain capacity ran out at 5 years. Somewhat to my surprise and enormous schadenfreude GRC failed right on time. I'm curious about the failure of the GRC Frank. Why did it fail? and how did you estimate the time before failure? It failed because it lost all its ductility by the end of 5 years and became as brittle as the unreinforced cement matrix. We knew the time to failure because we had done tests of 5 years duration and more. Basically the alkaline cement attacks the glass The chemists at BRS had developed a zirconium glass which was 10 times as resistant to attack as the traditional E glass used for plastics. But E glass GRC becomes brittle within 6 months. Why did the manufacturers go ahead when they knew the material would become brittle? - You just try and persuade a GLASS manufacturer that brittleness is not a good idea. Why didn't the BRS chemists abort? Well it was their baby and what do chemists know about the dangers of brittleness? Eventually it was the wetting and drying differential shrinkage which did the business. 8-) But you yanks know all about the danger of brittleness, eh! It's not for nothing NASA is known as Need Another Seven Astronauts. As for the consultants, four lots were hired to tell them what they wanted to hear cos I refused the imprimatur of the BRS Structural Engineering Division - At a crisis meeting held on neutral territory half way between BRS and PB, the PB chairman screamed at me I'll hound you Grimer - I'll hound you, I'll hound you... when I wouldn't buckle - and then promptly broke down in tears). My Deputy Director, Cornelius said I can't have you speaking to my staff like that Dr.B and Dr.Evans suggested we adjourned. Apparently Dr.B asked our head chemist if I was a communist (I was wearing an astrakhan hat that winter). Gutt said, On the contrary - he hates communism - he's a catholic. A new committee was formed a month later and much to my relief I was not invited. g And so you can well understand my feelings of schadenfreude when 5 years later it all went up the Swannee. Fortunately PB were never allowed to make any structural members because years earlier I has spoken out of turn at a visit of the Director General of all the government environmental research labs and told him that we were in for a repeat of the high alumina cement debacle with GRC. Lyons wanted to close the whole thing down but was persuaded to allow non-structural members such as claddings. Frank
Re: Marketing realities
Yum!! Richard - Original Message - From: Philip Winestone To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 12:11 PM Subject: Re: Marketing realities That folks , is the real problem hindering the advance of CF.. sell some and somebody will build some.Well... Not quite. You have to "Make something the dogs will eat - at least a little..." and sell them. Then somebody will build some more. And more "dogs will eat". Then somebody will build some more. Then somebody will build some more... etc., etc. Look at the automobile industry.The biggest hurdle is to get cold fusion out of the talk-talk-fuss-fuss, stage and into the sell-sell stage. But there has to be "something the dogs will eat." (Not being insulting; it's simply a good metaphor.)P.At 10:28 AM 5/15/2006 -0500, you wrote: Howdy Vorts,One of the realities of marketing is that you can build almost anything you can sell but you cannot always sell what you can build. Story of the " world's best dog food manufacturer". They held a convention for their entire worldwide organization. The leader addressed the audience with the statements.. we make the best dog food, use the choice ingredients, have the best can and label, spend the most on advertizing, pay the best salaries. my question is WHY DON'T IT SELL???Nobody would speak up even under prompting... finally a kid from Texas sitting in the back shouted.. THE DOGS WONT EAT IT!!. Make something the dogs will eat and we can sell it without the fancy. The adage about building a better mousetrap and people will beat a path to your door is hot air talking. Show me a person that can sell mousetraps and I can build anything you can sell.There may be ways to run engines on water but it will sit in the garage until somebody can sell the idea.That folks , is the real problem hindering the advance of CF.. sell some and somebody will build some.Cameron Iron Works div. of Cooper Industries started back in the Spindletop days early 1900's. A oil driller sent his hand into Houston to get a blacksmith shop to build something he had sketched on a paper bag. He told his hand not to come back without it . Cameron built it and later had the blowout preventor that led the industry.Richard
Re: (doo doo / vu du) - Formally: Marketing realities
Philip sez: That folks , is the real problem hindering the advance of CF.. sell some and somebody will build some. Well... Not quite. You have to Make something the dogs will eat - at least a little... and sell them. Then somebody will build some more. And more dogs will eat. ... I dunno about the market strategies of CF, but on the subject of good and not-so-good dawg food. If Fido becomes hungry enough he'll eat anything. I wouldn't recommend holding out on K9 however, especially if he knows your intentionally attempting to perform behavior mod on his eating preferences. They are more than capable of leaving political statements, and guess who gets to clean up the fallout. Oh...me make naughty doo-doo pun. Bad, boy! Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.Zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: Lunar FE?
Howdy Pteranondon, Shucks, telling the difference between a line transformer and a line capacitor is easy. Just disconnect them and touch your tongue to the one you suspect is a capacitor. You will become enlightened. England, Merry ole England! They get the blame for upgrading the Greek language to a modern form useful in politics, Shakespearian dramas, law, science and cussing. insurance, banking, world trade, computing and aviation just to name a few. First language spoken on the moon was English. If the world is gonna play catchup, they better learn English. How did so few accomplish so much ? Answer.. a moral code of ethics. Richard
Re: Lunar FE?
With the exception of the Shakespearian dramas, all the rest - and much more (including the art of exaggeration) - were invented by the Scots. P. At 03:24 PM 5/15/2006 -0500, you wrote: Howdy Pteranondon, Shucks, telling the difference between a line transformer and a line capacitor is easy. Just disconnect them and touch your tongue to the one you suspect is a capacitor. You will become enlightened. England, Merry ole England! They get the blame for upgrading the Greek language to a modern form useful in politics, Shakespearian dramas, law, science and cussing. insurance, banking, world trade, computing and aviation just to name a few. First language spoken on the moon was English. If the world is gonna play catchup, they better learn English. How did so few accomplish so much ? Answer.. a moral code of ethics. Richard
OT: Poli-Sci 101
Most of this post went out yesterday, a day of moral reckoning, so-to-speak, but must have gotten lost in Sunday-cyber-space. Apologies if it turns up at a latter date... ...perhaps it was a carnivore-canapé I probably would not even have realized it didn't get posted to Vo (yes it's that earth-shaking) except for reading Richard's comment about morality just now. Actually that comment was more like a reminiscence of better days - as the USA/England have - in the last 5 years - managed to totally eradicate any evidence for a moral superiority over the rest of the world (if indeed we have enjoyed it all since 1945). Even Germany managed to take the high-road in the Middle East, when we succumbed to blood-lust; and the worst part is that most of our abject-immorality in carrying out a brain-dead oil-war (under false pretenses) was aided and abetted by the Religious Right (many of the very same hypocrites who once called themselves the moral majority). These Bible-thumpers now have the blood of thousands of innocent non-combatants on their hands. To their credit, many of them have belatedly realized how they were duped by the Neo-Cons, and many will hopefully stay out of the political arena next time around. This week's lesson in Poli-Sci 101 is not that kind of finger-pointing recrimination - exactly - but a closer look at excuses in general and computer simulations (aka Sims) as they relate to phoney-baloney trial-runs. Spin Doctors, PACs and Ambulance-chasers alike, are keeping a close watch on unfolding events in Houston this week, as the final results of that lying-contest may be the key to many things relating to morality in the USA ... and to at least some very large future legal fees, if the verdict indicates a viable tactic for the upcoming case - you know, the one before the World Court (The International Court of Justice). Ken Lay is betting his future accommodations on the Doofus Defense and if it works, as experts say it that it just might for this homie-hero, then it's a slam dunk that an old-pal (who says he 'hardly knew Ken') will be emboldened to do the same in the Hague (Netherlands) in '09 or sooner - when his turn comes up. Heck says W, I've known - oops - make that 'heard-about' Ken since my days in Austin (flashing a hook-'em-horns hand-sign), and he's a lot smarter than me. Dick is not buying the defense, however, as he is just way too pragmatic for that. The trusty quail-hunting pump-action is more likely to be in his future, if it gets that far. And he won't miss this time. Ken Lay, with a totally straight face, told the Jury that he didn't believe the Wall Street Journal when it sent a list of detailed specific questions about the crooked partnerships and hidden corporations - to his attention at Enron in 2001. Those questions, by the way, were sent from the WSJ at the request of Enron's B.of D. At the time, Lay told other Enron executives that he believed the paper had a hate-on for Enron... OK, actually he used a different H word, but he doesn't want to further enflame any of the female jurors... As... one can never be sure that those large cash payments from Berne (for the jury consultant) got into the open-hands which they were supposed to. The old Gene Hackman ploy. As a result of the mountain of circumstantial evidence against him, Lay claims that he couldn't possibly have put the pieces of the puzzle together, since they were out to get him, and I had no real reason to believe that anyone at Enron was involved in anything inappropriate, he beams to half-asleep peers... Ah, yes, the vaunted Doofus Defense. The bigger the lie, the better - as it only shows how Doofus you really are. And there is no lie any bigger than WMDs (except maybe the avian flu pandemic). The company (or Nation) is falling apart before one's eyes, amid allegations of executive perks and croneys profiting from secret side deals, or semi-official leaks (Plame-gate)... not to mention disaster funds converted into Euros going into Swiss accounts (for safekeeping) - but there'd be no reason... really... for the chief executive to ask any probing questions. After all, the interior decorator is coming by this afternoon to discus the remodel of the Aspen mansion, the Crawford billiard room, or whatever. On the off-chance that the Doofus-Defense doesn't work out, however ... what's a poor country boy to do? Spin Doctors everywhere want-to-know, and a big consulting fee for the right answer is probably available Lots of from the Nawlins pork-barrel-pickins are yet to be allotted. To that end, I am forwarding to Karl's attention - the next best Roving defense on the planet, for these assorted damning facts, which is to be called, with nary-a-grin, the faulty sim defense. In that giant computer on Valis, as it were, it looks as if the Cheney/Rummy avatars got corrupted by some sneaky Trojan malware applet - which was
the aluminium batery
John Coviello posted; I'll have to read up on this company and technology. The claims of capacity are so great, that a natural amount of skepticism is very warranted. If they can produce such an aluminum battery, I would assume that it would not be very expensive, since aluminum is rather cheap. We'll see if anything comes of this. I read the company's prospectus. It's not just that the aluminum is light and cheap, according to their graph, the proposed battery stores way more energy per kilogram-. Another consideration is how many cycles the battery can go through before it needs to be re manufactured. IMHO, it is this factor which economically kills a hybrid. I don't recall this matter being addressed --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
Re: Lunar FE?
RC Macaulay wrote: First language spoken on the moon was English. If the world is gonna play catchup, they better learn English. I presume you mean play ketchup (or catsup) -- a reference to English (or British) cooking, no doubt. This would resemble the late Steve Allen's classic skit in which he played meat more or less the way other people play bongo drums. - Jed
Re: OT: Poli-Sci 101
At 02:24 pm 15/05/2006 -0700, Jones Chamberlain Beene wrote (inter alia): I probably would not even have realized it didn't get posted to Vo (yes it's that earth-shaking) except for reading Richard's comment about morality just now. Actually that comment was more like a reminiscence of better days - as the USA/England have - in the last 5 years - managed to totally eradicate any evidence for a moral superiority over the rest of the world (if indeed we have enjoyed it all since 1945). I wish we'd had Blair in 1938 instead of your namesake who came back from Germany waving his little piece of paper and proclaiming: My good friends this is the second time in our history that there has come back from Germany to Downing Street peace with honor. I believe it is peace in our time. I venture to suggest that if you'd suffered the London Blitz (as I did) then you might think that a pre-emptive strike against that evil bastard, Saddam Hussein, was a jolly good idea. Frank Grimer
Hybrid Car Idea
I had an idea for a hybrid car today. How about putting one of those comact wind turbines on the roof of a car, not the big ones with blades, the one with a rotating wind turbine that looks like a cone. Then as the car moves along it can generate electricity from the wind to charge the batteries. I know it would not be a net energy generator or anything like that, but it could extend battery range pretty significantly. Has anyone tried this?
Re: Hybrid Car Idea
On Monday 15 May 2006 18:36, John Coviello wrote: I had an idea for a hybrid car today. How about putting one of those comact wind turbines on the roof of a car, not the big ones with blades, the one with a rotating wind turbine that looks like a cone. Then as the car moves along it can generate electricity from the wind to charge the batteries. I know it would not be a net energy generator or anything like that, but it could extend battery range pretty significantly. Has anyone tried this? Outside of becoming known in your area as a 'conehead', you will gain little or no benefit from your enterprise. What little energy you gained from the generator would be more than compensated for in static and kinematic fluid friction and drag losses as you travelled 'down the road', not to mention electrodynamic inefficiencies and old fashioned mechanical friction. But some of us have the dream of running down the road with propellers on our heads hoping to fly. Even this writer had the same dream. As a six year old, I imagined that I could take the family bathtub and put it into a lake and travel all over simply by connecting the tub drain to the overflow drain hole from the front with a funnel out the back for the 'thrusting water to gush out driving me forward'. The idea of water seeking its static level sometimes does'nt come natural to a six year old with dreams of perpetual motion machines. Clearly the best idea is to use nuclear power extensively, like France. Nuclear power can desalinate water, solving water supply problems. Nuclear power can separate water into hydrogen and oxygen. Release the oxygen into the air and sell the hydrogen as fueleverywhere. Just burning the hydrogen in a 'fresh air Otto cycle internal combustion engine would be a horrendous waste, but a fuel cell based on hydrogen would work beautiful as a power source for personal automobile transportation. Pteranodon
Re:OT: Poli-Sci 101
Jones wrote... Spin Doctors, PACs and Ambulance-chasers alike, are keeping a close watch on unfolding events in Houston this week, as the final results of that lying-contest may be the key to many things relating to morality in the USA .. Howdy Jones.. Welcome to Houston where politics and lawyering at the courthouse outdraw the opera at Jones Hall. It has got to the point where I get the playrights mixed and the plots confused. Seems as there once was a very well run gas distribution companytaken overby a guy . During the Savings and Loan ups and downs during the Reagan years a new form of 7 card poker was invented where everybody won hands down. Looting an SL was considered a fun sport as long as you had a fall guy to take the dive. One of our future mayors that knew how the game was played and dumped the SL on the Gas company and the guy running the Gas company dumped on the next guy after raking in the next pot. The last guy got the donkey's tail pinned on his backside but being among other things a lawyer, knew how the game was played. It took him 12 some years battling the Feds to finally rake in the pot. You may recognize some of the poker players in the game... Ken Lay, Bob Lanier, Horwitz. Horwitz went on to greater things like Kaiser Corp and Pacific Redwoods .. Now he is running the local racetrack. How a company with the assets of Enron could lose money baffles me. You could steal the thing blind and still make money. Ken Lay is like the guy that got 7 chances to hit the floor with his hat and missed all 7. The worse punishment would be to laugh him out of town. These guys cut their teeth in Houston and the courthouse is their stage... watch 'em walk .. if not this round , the next. Nowhere but Texas.. Where is Sam Rayburn and Cactus Jack Garner when we need 'em? There is one product of Houston that has always been my hero.. Jesse Jones..Rose to greatness. Character and integrity were his attributes. Roosevelt called him to Washington during the depression to save the nation's financial system. Read the story of this remarkable man. Richard
Re: Betteries
In reply to Zell, Chris's message of Mon, 15 May 2006 08:37:30 -0500: Hi, [snip] The thing to analyze is the efficiency. 20% for the Euro device is a bit painful. 20% is also about the efficiency of an ICE, which is also a bit painful, but we use them anyway. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/ Competition provides the motivation, Cooperation provides the means.
Re: Joe Cell Variant?
In reply to Wesley Bruce's message of Mon, 15 May 2006 18:25:06 +1000: Hi, [snip] Its defiantly not joecell the fuel in a joecell is a cold plasma not liquids. the extra energy in a joecell is because the plasma is H+ and O+, no outer electrons so it wont burn until the plasma can steal electrons from some thing in the carbuater. [snip] There are plenty of electrons available from any metal surface, so this explanation is extremely unlikely. (The Joe cell itself being made of metal). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/ Competition provides the motivation, Cooperation provides the means.
Re: Running on water?
In reply to Mark Goldes's message of Mon, 15 May 2006 07:17:45 -0700: Hi, [snip] unlike such a tip when oxy-acetylene is burned for welding. But the instant he sets the flame on a charcoal briquette, it glows bright orange. Then, within seconds, he burns a hole through a brick, cuts steel and melts Tungsten. It does NOT melt tungsten. It causes the oxide to sublimate. When the so called melting takes place, no droplet of liquid metal forms. The metal simply disappears as it evaporates. The temperature of the flame is 259 degrees Fahrenheit. ...and just how was that measured? [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/ Competition provides the motivation, Cooperation provides the means.
Re: Lunar FE?
In reply to RC Macaulay's message of Mon, 15 May 2006 15:24:17 -0500: Hi, [snip] How did so few accomplish so much ? Answer.. a moral code of ethics. [snip] No, by conquest. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/ Competition provides the motivation, Cooperation provides the means.
Re: physics
In reply to thomas malloy's message of Mon, 15 May 2006 16:48:34 -0500: Hi, [snip] A 60 times greater energy out than in sounds like F E to me, it also sounds too good to be true. Perhaps what is meant is that the photons produced have 60 times the energy of the photons that produced them, does anybody know? [snip] The latter was supposed to be the case, the isotope is Hf-178. However AFAIK it hasn't been replicated, so is likely not true anyway. It is supposed to work by absorbing an x-ray that lifted the nucleus from the initial energy level to a higher level. Decay from the initial level is forbidden, but not from the higher level. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/ Competition provides the motivation, Cooperation provides the means.
Re: the aluminium batery
In reply to thomas malloy's message of Mon, 15 May 2006 16:47:43 -0500: Hi, [snip] way more energy per kilogram-. Another consideration is how many cycles the battery can go through before it needs to be re manufactured. IMHO, it is this factor which economically kills a hybrid. I don't recall this matter being addressed [snip] Indeed. According to their web site the theoretical number of recharge cycles is 3000, but that clearly remains to be seen, considering that they haven't yet built a prototype. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/ Competition provides the motivation, Cooperation provides the means.
Re: The Electromotive Series The Metal-Water Interface
In reply to Frederick Sparber's message of Mon, 15 May 2006 01:45:08 -0600: Hi, [snip] The Autoionization of Water and the Joe Cell self-electrolysis becomes less of a miracle, doesn't it? http://www.diracdelta.co.uk/science/source/e/l/electromotive%20series/source.html This still doesn't explain how the active agent can pass through Al to enter the carburetor. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/ Competition provides the motivation, Cooperation provides the means.
