Re: [Vo]:Pantone may be subjected to forced medication
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Jones Beene wrote: Sad, but it does illustrate very dramatically the close connection between inventive, or creative, genius and insanity. I'd say that it's much closer to the connection between an artist and the muses. Specifically, if an artist receives the gift of a great idea, but then becomes self-aggrandizing and tries to get rich off that gift... the muses become very nasty and turn against the artist. (Or instead of muses, call it your inner child or your real self.) Or think of it in religious terms: the gods give you a gift, and you turn around and try to control it and sell it to fellow humans, while mindlessly keeping it secret and defending against idea theives. It's almost as if such gifts come with a curse. They should display a warning label: treat this with ego and greed, and it will burn you alive. Or this: Whom the gods would destroy, they first deliver the plans for a free energy device. The Prometheus Game - Moray B. King http://amasci.com/freenrg/prometh.html Free energy devices... as a meme! http://amasci.com/freenrg/spred1.txt (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 425-222-5066unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Toyota announces plug in hybrid
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:43:18 -0400: Hi, While you are momentarily on the topic of busted URLs, most can be fixed by simply replying to the email, so that the URL shows up in editable form in your email client. Then one can edit it till it's fixed and use it directly. Of course this only works when it's obvious what it should have been (i.e. wrapping problems etc.). Horace Heffner wrote: Weird. Not busted on the email I got back from vortex-l. Is it busted for you below (and if so in the same place): Yup. Could be a Eudora problem. On the other hand, the copy I sent out came back intact. No biggie. - Jed Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
Re: [Vo]: Pantone Mods
Michel, What do you think of the Quant'homme site? Certainly not peer reviewed (unless you are a Mec ;-) but promising and indicative of something, no? Moving on to the next step in a progression towards 100 MPG, Horace suggested: Suppose the junk in the water were pyrolized in the water to obtain water gas (CO + H + other things) using a generator on the motor (already there in a hybrid) for arc power. Yes. I thought of that too (applying a few kWe from the electrical system - at the tank itself) but not an arc and not pyrolysis per se, which requires too high a temperature - ...and there is perhaps an easier additional way to get the benefit. It would be possible to feed ground up wood, charcoal, vegetable oils, Algoil, garbage, all kinds of things into the fuel tank then. Anything unburned in the exhaust would be recycled by passing the exhaust through the water-fuel. Yup, they have been doing that to some extent already. There is a possible refinement of the above: at the tank - one can use straight 12 volt AC from the alternator to do the aqua-gen thing - which is not simply passing current through the muck ... but doing so via the synergy of using carbon based electrodes, which are slightly consumable. In the event of the far future - and having no oil at all, we could make the electrodes from compressed coal dust or charcoal (from biomass). The advantage of this over Fischer-Tropsch is that no extra CO2 is produced to get the H2, so carbon is maximized. And there is one more additional thing which can be added. In the reactor tube itself - make it of porous nickel so that it would pass hydrogen but not CO2, nitrogen, or steam. To release some hydrogen from the hot exhaust, one could set up a standing wave of RF down the axis of this exhaust tube - maybe at a frequency of about 1640 Mhz which is the resonance point of the OH radical. Some H2 gas is separated there, and passes through the tube and into the intake flow coming the other direction from the water tank. When some of the H2 interacts with recycled CO2, prior to intake, you get CO and OH and other goodies to reburn. The largest advantage of any enhanced Pantone system could be on the oxidizer side, plus the higher flame speed and mobility of a small addition of H2. However, none of this may be needed with a highly catalytic reactor tube. I doubt that many of the mods have actually plated Pd or Pt as a catalyst. That is expensive - but hey - maybe then you also get a small LENR or hydrino effect! Jones
[Vo]:Re: Pantone may be subjected to forced medication
mindlessly keeping it secret and defending against idea theives The patent system, however imperfect it may be, was made to prevent just this: you disclose your invention, and you get exclusive rights for a couple decades in return. Presumably the state of things before patents existed was worse. About Pantone's invention there seems to be a lot of literature with varying factuality, pointers to a serious experimental proof that more MPG were obtained by adding water would be welcome. Any peer reviewed paper? Michel - Original Message - From: William Beaty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Pantone may be subjected to forced medication On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Jones Beene wrote: Sad, but it does illustrate very dramatically the close connection between inventive, or creative, genius and insanity. I'd say that it's much closer to the connection between an artist and the muses. Specifically, if an artist receives the gift of a great idea, but then becomes self-aggrandizing and tries to get rich off that gift... the muses become very nasty and turn against the artist. (Or instead of muses, call it your inner child or your real self.) Or think of it in religious terms: the gods give you a gift, and you turn around and try to control it and sell it to fellow humans, while mindlessly keeping it secret and defending against idea theives. It's almost as if such gifts come with a curse. They should display a warning label: treat this with ego and greed, and it will burn you alive. Or this: Whom the gods would destroy, they first deliver the plans for a free energy device. The Prometheus Game - Moray B. King http://amasci.com/freenrg/prometh.html Free energy devices... as a meme! http://amasci.com/freenrg/spred1.txt (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 425-222-5066unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:Re: Pantone Mods
- Original Message - From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Pantone Mods Michel, What do you think of the Quant'homme site? Hi Jones, it's a big site and it looks messy to me, I looked at a few of the direct links you provided but all I can gather is that engines have been modified (they show photos and diagrams), I couldn't find for what purpose (more mileage presumably?) and with which results. Could you find any before/after mileage data as opposed to enthusiastic talk and mod diagrams? Certainly not peer reviewed (unless you are a Mec ;-) but promising and indicative of something, no? For now I'll have to take your word for it :) Michel Moving on to the next step in a progression towards 100 MPG, Horace suggested: Suppose the junk in the water were pyrolized in the water to obtain water gas (CO + H + other things) using a generator on the motor (already there in a hybrid) for arc power. Yes. I thought of that too (applying a few kWe from the electrical system - at the tank itself) but not an arc and not pyrolysis per se, which requires too high a temperature - ...and there is perhaps an easier additional way to get the benefit. It would be possible to feed ground up wood, charcoal, vegetable oils, Algoil, garbage, all kinds of things into the fuel tank then. Anything unburned in the exhaust would be recycled by passing the exhaust through the water-fuel. Yup, they have been doing that to some extent already. There is a possible refinement of the above: at the tank - one can use straight 12 volt AC from the alternator to do the aqua-gen thing - which is not simply passing current through the muck ... but doing so via the synergy of using carbon based electrodes, which are slightly consumable. In the event of the far future - and having no oil at all, we could make the electrodes from compressed coal dust or charcoal (from biomass). The advantage of this over Fischer-Tropsch is that no extra CO2 is produced to get the H2, so carbon is maximized. And there is one more additional thing which can be added. In the reactor tube itself - make it of porous nickel so that it would pass hydrogen but not CO2, nitrogen, or steam. To release some hydrogen from the hot exhaust, one could set up a standing wave of RF down the axis of this exhaust tube - maybe at a frequency of about 1640 Mhz which is the resonance point of the OH radical. Some H2 gas is separated there, and passes through the tube and into the intake flow coming the other direction from the water tank. When some of the H2 interacts with recycled CO2, prior to intake, you get CO and OH and other goodies to reburn. The largest advantage of any enhanced Pantone system could be on the oxidizer side, plus the higher flame speed and mobility of a small addition of H2. However, none of this may be needed with a highly catalytic reactor tube. I doubt that many of the mods have actually plated Pd or Pt as a catalyst. That is expensive - but hey - maybe then you also get a small LENR or hydrino effect! Jones
Re: [Vo]:Re: Pantone Mods
Michel I looked at a few of the direct links you provided but all I can gather is that engines have been modified(they show photos and diagrams), I couldn't find for what purpose (more mileage presumably?) and with which results. Could you find any before/after mileage data as opposed to enthusiastic talk and mod diagrams? One page of interest is the Mod of the Peugeot 505. There is some real world data in there, but of course it could have been done in a more professional manner. http://quanthomme.free.fr/qhsuite/aut34peugeot505herve.htm
[Vo]:Re: The Earth and the Wheel
Harry, a few comments in your text below: Consider a wheel located on Earth's equator (see fig. below). Initially a brake prevents the wheel from turning so the wheel is not turning relative to the ground. Next the brake is released and assuming the axel [axle] of the wheel is frictionless and since the Earth is slowly turning the wheel will begin [continue] to slowly turn about its own centre at the same rate as the Earth's rotation. For someone standing beside the wheel it might appear as if the brake were still applied. However, if the wheel is turning about its own centre the periphery of the wheel is subject to an associated centrifugal force. The person beside the wheel would deny this unless they knew the brake was released. [no, the centrifugal force is a fictitious force associated to the motion of the non-inertial frame of reference (here the ground-bound frame, or that bound to the bottom of the wheel, which is the same) wrt to an inertial frame of reference (here the Earth center+distant stars frame). This motion, whichever way you look at it, is a simple rotation at 1 turn per day around the Earth axis, at one Earth radius distance] Michel - Original Message - From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 9:58 PM Subject: [Vo]:The Earth and the Wheel http://web.ncf.ca/eo200/world-wheel.html More to come. Comments and questions welcome. Harry
[Vo]:Ultra-heavy hydrogen
The existence of H4 to H7 and possibly beyond, as well as He5 to He8, may throw some light on the intermediate states of some LENR processes. An electron catalyzed wavefunction collapse of two deuterons or more in a loaded lattice, possibly followed by a weak reaction, could produce these ultra-heavy hydrogen or helium nuclei as an intermediary state. The ability to shed 4 neutrons or more from a heavy hydrogen or helium intermediate state implies the ability of a quad-neutron to tunnel to a heavy nucleus in the lattice. This could explain various observed jumps of 4 in nucleon number of lattice elements in LENR experiments. Quote of AIP Bulletin follows: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - PHYSICS NEWS UPDATE The American Institute of Physics Bulletin of Physics News Number 834 July 27, 2007 by Phillip F. Schewe, Ben Stein www.aip.org/pnu HYDROGEN-SEVEN. An experiment at the GANIL facility in France is the first to make, observe, identify, and characterize the heaviest isotope yet of hydrogen, H-7, consisting of a lone proton and 6 neutrons. (An earlier experiment saw some inconclusive evidence for this state-see Korsheninnikov et al., Physical Review Letters, 8 Feb 2003.) All of the lighter isotopes of hydrogen have previously been seen: H-1 (ordinary hydrogen), H-2 (deuterium), H-3 (tritium), and H-4 up to H-6. Technically speaking, the H-7 state (like H-4, H-5, and H-6) is not a fully bound nucleus. It is considered a resonance since (besides being very short lived) energy is required to force the extra neutron to adhere to the other nucleons. In a proper nucleus energy is required to remove a neutron. In the GANIL experiment, a beam of helium-8 ions (themselves quite rare) is smashed into a carbon-12 nucleus residing in a gas of butane (see figure at http://www.aip.org/png/2007/283.htm). In a few rare occurrences, the He-8 gives one of its protons to the C-12, producing H-7 and N-13, respectively. The H-7 flies apart almost immediately into H-3 and 4 separate neutrons. Meanwhile the N-13 is observed in the active-target MAYA detector (named after a cartoon character, Maya the Bee, whose honeycomb hive resembles the hexagonal cathode pads in the experiment), a device much like a bubble chamber, allowing its energy and trajectory to be deduced. By taking the conservation of momentum and energy into account, the fleeting existence of the H-7 is extracted from the N-13 data (see the figure at www.aip.org/png). A total of 7 H-7 events was observed. A rough lifetime for H-7 of less than 10^-21 seconds can be inferred. The helium-8 nucleus (2 protons plus 6 neutrons) used to make the H-7 is interesting all by itself since it is believed to consist of a nuclear core with two *halo* neutrons orbiting outside. This radioactive species must carefully be gathered up from carbon-carbon collisions (in a separate step) and then accelerated to participating in the H-7 experiment. One of the GANIL researchers, Manuel Caamaño Fresco ([EMAIL PROTECTED], 33-231-45-4435), says that one of the chief reasons for looking at H-7 is to get a better handle on exotic nuclear matter. The H-7 nucleus, during its brief existence, might consist of a H-3 core and plus two 2-neutron outriders, or maybe even a single 4-neutron blob outside. Larger still hydrogen isotopes, such as H-8 or H-9, might be observable. (Caamaño et al., Physical Review Letters, upcoming article; PhD thesis at http://www.usc.es/genp/maya/) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - end quote Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Re: Pantone Mods
For those who do not read French, here is an executive summary (w/o the ape suit) pending corrections from Michel : This is a non-professional and basic modification of an old Peugeot 505 Diesel which had 243,000 km of travel at the start. One km = ~.6 miles. So this was a well-used vehicle on an incredibly difficult and hot trek across North Africa. Bottom line is that it consumed about 6 liters per 100 km on this most difficult trek with 3 passengers and baggage. The corresponding factory estimate, under ideal conditions, new vehicle and only a driver with no other load in urban conditions is about 10.9 liters per 100 km. I challenge anyone to argue that this does not represent a doubling of the expected efficiency !! Had Peugeot engineers done a professional installation with a fully catalytic reactor - who knows ? BTW 6 liters (1.59 gallons) per 100 (62.14) km is over 39 miles per gallon. But keep in mind that this is an old vehicle over very difficult conditions - look at the pictures! Jones Jones Beene wrote: Michel I looked at a few of the direct links you provided but all I can gather is that engines have been modified(they show photos and diagrams), I couldn't find for what purpose (more mileage presumably?) and with which results. Could you find any before/after mileage data as opposed to enthusiastic talk and mod diagrams? One page of interest is the Mod of the Peugeot 505. There is some real world data in there, but of course it could have been done in a more professional manner. http://quanthomme.free.fr/qhsuite/aut34peugeot505herve.htm
Re: [Vo]:Re: The Earth and the Wheel
On 27/7/2007 5:02 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: Thanks for the comments. Harry, a few comments in your text below: Consider a wheel located on Earth's equator (see fig. below). Initially a brake prevents the wheel from turning so the wheel is not turning relative to the ground. Next the brake is released and assuming the axel [axle] of the wheel is frictionless and since the Earth is slowly turning the wheel will begin [continue] to slowly turn about its own centre at the same rate as the Earth's rotation. continue is consistent with the account you give below. For someone standing beside the wheel it might appear as if the brake were still applied. However, if the wheel is turning about its own centre the periphery of the wheel is subject to an associated centrifugal force. The person beside the wheel would deny this unless they knew the brake was released. [no, the centrifugal force is a fictitious force associated to the motion of the non-inertial frame of reference (here the ground-bound frame, or that bound to the bottom of the wheel, which is the same) wrt to an inertial frame of reference (here the Earth center+distant stars frame). This motion, whichever way you look at it, is a simple rotation at 1 turn per day around the Earth axis, at one Earth radius distance] Pointing out that it is a fictitious force does not invalidate what I am saying. Of course the hub of the wheel continues to rotate about the Earth's axis of rotation. However, please entertain my assertion as a testable conjecture. If the wheel with the brake off is really rotating about its own centre then the tension in the spokes should differ from the tension in the spokes when the brake on. Harry
Re: [Vo]:Pantone may be subjected to forced medication
Aye, his punishments according to that article indeed bring me to mind of prometheus. On 7/27/07, William Beaty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Jones Beene wrote: Sad, but it does illustrate very dramatically the close connection between inventive, or creative, genius and insanity. I'd say that it's much closer to the connection between an artist and the muses. Specifically, if an artist receives the gift of a great idea, but then becomes self-aggrandizing and tries to get rich off that gift... the muses become very nasty and turn against the artist. (Or instead of muses, call it your inner child or your real self.) Or think of it in religious terms: the gods give you a gift, and you turn around and try to control it and sell it to fellow humans, while mindlessly keeping it secret and defending against idea theives. It's almost as if such gifts come with a curse. They should display a warning label: treat this with ego and greed, and it will burn you alive. Or this: Whom the gods would destroy, they first deliver the plans for a free energy device. The Prometheus Game - Moray B. King http://amasci.com/freenrg/prometh.html Free energy devices... as a meme! http://amasci.com/freenrg/spred1.txt (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 425-222-5066unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci -- That which yields isn't always weak.
Re: [Vo]:Ultra-heavy hydrogen
Horace Heffner wrote: The existence of H4 to H7 and possibly beyond, as well as He5 to He8, may throw some light on the intermediate states of some LENR processes. Wish you hadn't brought that one up, Inspector Clouseau. Some time ago, in a fit of ... well, some kind of madness (whatever it was that afflicted Pantone and/or Sellers ?) I had drafted a bit of LENR satire on - ta da: Quadmium and Cold Fusion Alas ... as if often the case with satire: in the end, the absurdity of the premise - or plot device which was employed to make the piece work, seemed to be not so far out as imagined - on closer inspection. That plot device was (4)H or Quadmium ... via D+Dy -- (4)H. Here's the deal. In the close-confines of a metal matrix, where there are two deuterium and the possibility that one of them is forced far below ground state to becomes a dineutron - that then the dineutron binds to the other deuteron - cough, cough ... and what does one end up with, Chief Inspector ?... smells faintly of quadmium to me. Cinema buffs may remember Quadmium in the guise of a bomb... or boommbe as PS (Clouseau) was wont to say, in another guise ... from the flick: The Mouse That Roared based on novel by Leonard Wibberley. It featured a fictional European enclave called the Duchy of Grand Fenwick, which for warped reasons, decides to challenge the superpowers and wins. After a wine from the States appears, bearing a 'similar' name to the local Pinot, and which threatens to undermine the Duchy's economy (vino fino) they declares war. Yup. Expecting to immediately be crushed, but to then rebuild itself into a modern economy via the largess that the US bestows on vanquished enemies: instead a strange thing happens. The superpower is defeated by the Q-bomb, a kind of a prototype doomsday device that could destroy the world if triggered. If the obvious connection to Dr. Strangelove is not apparent on several fronts, one needs to retire to the Sellers with a few cases of Grand Enwick wine. Peter Sellers in three different roles including Count Rupert Mountjoy the Prime Minister is enough to drive anyone mad. The main plot is an early example of what has been know as a Springtime for Hitler event, when something intended to fail - amazingly doesn't. Maybe, in true synchronicity-vorticity we will see that - LENR - which is undoubtedly something which is intended (by mainstream Fissix) to fail miserably, amazingly doesn't. JOnes
Re: [Vo]:Pantone may be subjected to forced medication
I'm with Orion here. If i dont write, create, or dream up mad schemes with regularity, i get a headache. Harlan Ellison said it best, when he talks about writing becuase he must, becuause if he doesnt spew the words out upon the page, the characters, the thoughts, they build up inside of him until he is ready to burst. On 7/26/07, OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/26/07, Jones Beene wrote: Sad, but it does illustrate very dramatically the close connection between inventive, or creative, genius and insanity. It almost comes with the territory with inventors who do not find immediate success (so as to afford medical attention). To be politically correct, we can call this malady: Mood Disorder or Bipolar or some other euphemism like Cylcothymia There is a list of famous names so-afflicted, but neglecting inventors in favor of artists, writers and composers - in Kay Jamison's Touched With Fire; Manic-Depressive Illness and the Artistic Temperament I suspect that inventors are more subject to this than are artists, because art appreciation can be subjective (and the pay can be better for those with a benefactor, instead of real talent) whereas invention depends on the cold and hard facts of utility and market dynamics - where remuneration is often delayed (or stolen by others). Having dabbled in both activities (creatin 'n' paintin, as well as researchin 'n' inventin) I found myself pondering your speculations. Very early in my arteeste career I knew that living the life-style of a starving artist was unappealing, nor would participating in a Holiday Inn starving artist show held in the inn's basement be of much benefit either, where price conscious customers can walk away with a certified original painting of Elvis painted on black velvet or perhaps a painting of a vulnerable little kitten cornered in a dark somber alley with big watery pools of forlorn eyes. Only twenty bucks and these masterpieces can be yours! Can't you see how hungry our artist are? Long ago in my own career I decided it was better to prostitute myself as a computer programmer. Nevertheless I really have met artists who don't seem to have a choice in the matter. They MUST paint, they MUST create, or die in their valiant attempt to return to the original spawning grounds of creativity. Fortunately, in my case I found the activity of researcin 'n' inventin a refreshing change of pace from the act of paintin in creatin. It was as if switching back and forth gave certain portions of my brain a welcome rest. Despite these differences I did notice that both activities seemed to share a basic core of similarity: Obsession. In Pantone's case it's easy for me to speculate that he really has no choice in the matter. Paul must return to his original spawning grounds, or die trying. Both activities also share another similarity: Benefactors (investors) appear to be far and few between. Hi sailor, new in town? I can give you COBOL, PERL, FORTH, C, DB2, ... anyway you want it. I'm a fast learner. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com -- That which yields isn't always weak.
RE: [VO]: Ancient vortex
Blank page. _ From: R.C.Macaulay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 4:23 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [VO]: Ancient vortex Howdy Vorts, Surprised me when I saw this on MSNBC. They describe the pic taken from space as a depression natural formed but... do I see a counterclockwise spiral lurking. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/interactive.aspx?type=ss http://www.msnbc.com/modules/interactive.aspx?type=sslaunch=19810770,2pg= 11 launch=19810770,2pg=11 Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
[Vo]:something from the big guy
Recapitulating: we may say that according to the general theory of relativity space is endowed with physical qualities; in this sense, therefore, there exists Aether. -Albert Einstein, 1920
Re: [Vo]:Ultra-heavy hydrogen
On Jul 27, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Jones Beene wrote: Maybe, in true synchronicity-vorticity we will see that - LENR - which is undoubtedly something which is intended (by mainstream Fissix) to fail miserably, amazingly doesn't. Prescient words. Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
[Vo]:Re: Pantone Mods
Very nice! If the guy's figures are accurate, judging by the first leg of the trip (the most civilized conditions, highway at 120km/h) the mod increased the car's mileage (reduced the consumption) by a factor 10.4/6.38 = 1.63, which is impressive indeed. The factory estimate of 10.4L/100km he quotes for consumption of the original car at a stabilized speed of 120km/h seems high to me, even for a 1984 model, but if it is correct then the mod makes a very inefficient old engine approach the efficiency of a modern one. Michel - Original Message - From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Pantone Mods For those who do not read French, here is an executive summary (w/o the ape suit) pending corrections from Michel : This is a non-professional and basic modification of an old Peugeot 505 Diesel which had 243,000 km of travel at the start. One km = ~.6 miles. So this was a well-used vehicle on an incredibly difficult and hot trek across North Africa. Bottom line is that it consumed about 6 liters per 100 km on this most difficult trek with 3 passengers and baggage. The corresponding factory estimate, under ideal conditions, new vehicle and only a driver with no other load in urban conditions is about 10.9 liters per 100 km. I challenge anyone to argue that this does not represent a doubling of the expected efficiency !! Had Peugeot engineers done a professional installation with a fully catalytic reactor - who knows ? BTW 6 liters (1.59 gallons) per 100 (62.14) km is over 39 miles per gallon. But keep in mind that this is an old vehicle over very difficult conditions - look at the pictures! Jones Jones Beene wrote: Michel I looked at a few of the direct links you provided but all I can gather is that engines have been modified(they show photos and diagrams), I couldn't find for what purpose (more mileage presumably?) and with which results. Could you find any before/after mileage data as opposed to enthusiastic talk and mod diagrams? One page of interest is the Mod of the Peugeot 505. There is some real world data in there, but of course it could have been done in a more professional manner. http://quanthomme.free.fr/qhsuite/aut34peugeot505herve.htm
Re: [Vo]:Pantone may be subjected to forced medication
On Jul 27, 2007, at 12:26 AM, William Beaty wrote: Whom the gods would destroy, they first deliver the plans for a free energy device. I think this should properly be called Bill Beaty's corollary to Euripides' law of the gods: Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad by Euripides (484 BC - 406 BC). Beaty's law sounds a lot better though. Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
[Vo]:LANR Colloquium update - (expanded hours)
The tentative schedule of the August 2007 Cold Fusion Colloquium on Lattice-Assisted Nuclear Reactions (LANR) The Science and Technology of Deuterated Metals at MIT Date: Saturday, August 18, 2007 Title: Colloquium on the Physics, Electrical Engineering, and Material Science of Lattice-Assisted Nuclear Reactions [cold fusion, LENR] Place: Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, MA * Pre-registration required Tentative Lecture Schedule: 9:00 AM - 5:00 PM [please note the expanded hours] Experimental Studies of Lattice-assisted Nuclear reactions Dr. Mitchell Swartz - Excess Heat Measurements in Deuterated Palladium Dr. Scott Chubb - Review of experimental presentations at ICCF13 (Sochi, Russia) Dr. Larry Forsley - Gamma emissions from CR39 Films near Codeposited Deuterated Palladium Dr. Mitchell Swartz - Optimal Operating Point Operation and Tardive Thermal Power in Deuterated Palladium Rick Cantwell - Loading Studies of Pressure Loaded Hydrided Metals Dr. Brian Ahern - Phenomena associated with Ultrahigh Loading Rates of Wires Theoretical Analyses of Lattice-assisted Nuclear reactions Prof. Peter Hagelstein - Phonon Theory Involving Deuterated Metals Dr. Michael Melich - Some thoughts on the creation of useful models of CMNS systems Dr. Scott Chubb - Symmetry and Finite Size in the Quantum Electrodynamics of Lattice-Assisted (d)-d fusion Dr. Talbot Chubb - Solid State Fusion in Deuterated Metals Business/IP Issues of Lattice-assisted Nuclear reactions Prof. Robert Rines -The Blockage of CF Patent Applications Other Lectures to be announced Tentative Group Discussions [Current RD issues, Intellectual Property]: Current Issues/problems in CR39, and other types of, recording devices Business Developments More Information (will be changed as developments follow): at url: http://world.std.com/~mica/colloq07.html
[Vo]:Process engine
Consideration of the Pantone fuel processing issues ultimately leads to a redesign of the IC engine. The engine can be viewed as a chemical process line. The key to this is separating the compression, burn and power tsakeoff stages. This separation of stages is of course not a new concept, as the jet engine does just this, and supercharged engines do this partially. What could be new about this idea is what happens in the burn stage. Separating the compression and power stages allows the burn stage to occur over as long and varied a path as desired, provided it is well insulated. It also permits applying the best mechanics to the compression and power take-off tasks. Though not ideal, it is also possible, by re-valving etc., to use selected pistons of an ordinary engine for compression, and others for power take off, and by so doing permit the burn path to be separated from the engine and arbitrarily long. The burn path itself might consist of a pyrolysis chamber or catalysis chamber, a gas plus fluidized bed burn chamber, a Brown's gas injection chamber, a final burn catalytic chamber, followed by a water injection chamber. Note that, by compressing first, any heat added to the burn process improves the power output of the engine. This includes pyrolysis watts, or external heat used for catalysis, or even just external heat added to make the engine a hybrid internal- external combustion engine. This also permits the use of external heat sources, like solar. The final water injection converts excess heat to pressure to increase horsepower, and, by dropping the temperature, protects the power take-off turbine or pistons. Post processing of the exhaust can be along the lines of existing Pantone schemes. Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Re: Pantone may be subjected to forced medication
yOn Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Michel Jullian wrote: mindlessly keeping it secret and defending against idea theives The patent system, however imperfect it may be, was made to prevent just this: you disclose your invention, and you get exclusive rights for a couple decades in return. Presumably the state of things before patents existed was worse. You miss my point. I was complaining about the hypocricy of religious inventors who first announce that the invention is a gift from god, intended for all mankind... but then they turn around and treat the invention as their personal ticket to immense fame and vast wealth. And then they try to patent it in order to prevent mankind from freely using the idea, while at the same time accusing all interested parties of being idea theives. (I don't know how closely Pantone matches this description.) Of course for a NON-religious inventor, it becomes a matter of honest upfront greed without the dishonest twists and flakey hypocricy. Perhaps atheist inventors could better promote a discovery while avoiding being corrupted by the possibility of fame and wealth? Also FE devices create a patent catch-22: for inventions which are outside of contemporary physics, you can't get a patent unless you first give very solid proof that your device really works. And such proof without disclosure has proved difficult in the past (or at least expensive.) Inventions which remain within conventional science don't run into this closed-loop barrier of disclosure-before-patenting. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 425-222-5066unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Re: The Earth and the Wheel
On 27/7/2007 3:51 PM, Michel Jullian wrote: - Original Message - From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: The Earth and the Wheel On 27/7/2007 5:02 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: Thanks for the comments. Harry, a few comments in your text below: Consider a wheel located on Earth's equator (see fig. below). Initially a brake prevents the wheel from turning so the wheel is not turning relative to the ground. Next the brake is released and assuming the axel [axle] of the wheel is frictionless and since the Earth is slowly turning the wheel will begin [continue] to slowly turn about its own centre at the same rate as the Earth's rotation. continue is consistent with the account you give below. Not only, the wheel was already turning in the inertial frame when the brakes were on wasn't it? So it continues to turn, it doesn't begin. The brake on means it is locked and cannot turn wrt to the ground. The locked wheel is already to turning about the inertial frame tied to the earth's axis of rotation, but the wheel only begins to turn about its own centre when the brake is off. For someone standing beside the wheel it might appear as if the brake were still applied. However, if the wheel is turning about its own centre the periphery of the wheel is subject to an associated centrifugal force. The person beside the wheel would deny this unless they knew the brake was released. [no, the centrifugal force is a fictitious force associated to the motion of the non-inertial frame of reference (here the ground-bound frame, or that bound to the bottom of the wheel, which is the same) wrt to an inertial frame of reference (here the Earth center+distant stars frame). This motion, whichever way you look at it, is a simple rotation at 1 turn per day around the Earth axis, at one Earth radius distance] Pointing out that it is a fictitious force does not invalidate what I am saying. But the rest of the comment does, unless I misunderstand what you are saying which is quite possible. Of course the hub of the wheel continues to rotate about the Earth's axis of rotation. However, please entertain my assertion as a testable conjecture. If the wheel with the brake off is really rotating about its own centre then the tension in the spokes should differ from the tension in the spokes when the brake on. I am afraid the tension will be strictly identical whether the brakes are on or off, since the wheel has the same absolute motion in both cases. Michel Here is another way looking at it. For the sake of balance, imagine a wheel is setup on opposite sides of the equator. One wheel has the brake on and the other has the brake off. If you could stop the Earth rotating, the wheel that has the brake on will continue to remain at rest wrt to the ground but the other wheel will continue to turn once per day wrt to the ground. The two motions differ, but the difference is masked by the rotation of the Earth. Do you agree? Harry
Re: [Vo]:Pantone may be subjected to forced medication
On Jul 27, 2007, at 5:08 PM, William Beaty wrote: Didn't Pantone simply discover the old idea that water injection improves MPG? I don't know what all Pantone invented. I don't think water injection was in his patent though. It certainly should have been rejected if it were. It cools the exhaust and gives extra steam pressure in the cylinder. Others do it differently: patents on that white goop; water/gasoline emulsion. IIRC, too much water significantly reduces engine life via hydrogen embrittlement, so the inventors' goal of water/gasoline engines would actually be a goal of non-metal auto engines: ceramic engines or ceramic coated pistons and cylinders. Ceramic engine parts sound good for other reasons too. They can be pretty slick, catalytic, and run hot too. However, I've seen first hand in recent years a tractor with water injection that has been running since the 1940's. I don't know for sure how many hours it had on it, or the water injector, but it looked well used. Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
[Vo]:Electron fugacity, deuteron fugacity, and applied fields
The method of applying high electron fugacity to deuterium loaded cathodes has the objective of creating an energy focusing effect, forcing co-centered wavefunction collapse, resulting in electron catalyzed fusion: D + e- + D - He + e- + gamma The objective is to create simultaneously a high deuteron fugacity and electron fugacity. Fugacity of a particle type in a given environment is similar to pressure in that it is a measure of the energy required to add one more such particles to the environment. It is of interest that as electron density increases, the fugacity of a given amount of loaded deuterium decreases. Increasing electron fugacity increases the loading feasible with a given amount of electrolysis energy, though adding one particle of each increases the fugacity of both. The application of extreme fields to the back side of a loaded cathode is one way to increase electron fugacity. That is to say a cathode can be loaded catalytically from one side, the electrolyte side, and yet be a charged to millions of volts at the surface presented to the vacuum on the opposing side. Accomplishing this practically requires application of a surface layer on the cathode- vacuum interface which reduces the rate of hydrogen evolution into the vacuum. Such a layer could be an insulating oxide layer thin enough to support electron tunneling, but not deuterium tunneling. A high density of electrons at the vacuum surface and just under the cathode-vacuum surface increases both the deuterium final density and diffusion rate, it also increases the probability of wavefunction collapse due to Stark effect orbital stressing due to high electric field conditions at the surface and immediate subsurface. Application of a powerful magnetic field parallel to the vacuum surface additively stresses the deuteron orbitals there via the Paschen-Back effect and the formation of non-quantum like Rydberg orbitals, which, in addition to destabilizing electron waveforms and reducing normal quantum effects, also increases the probability of electrons existing in the nucleus or experiencing simultaneous wavefunction collapsing with and within it. A strong laser beam nearly parallel to but striking the vacuum-cathode surface increases the above combined field effects dramatically. Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
