Re: [Vo]:Transcension Hypothesis
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 8:56 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps they're using quantum cryptography with an enormously large key strength. With sufficiently advanced encryption, we could mistake the signal for white noise. Just to elaborate -- you would need to do more than simply encrypt the contents of the signal to achieve some kind of cloaking, since the way we transmit radio these days lends itself to detection in various ways, even if the contents cannot be decrypted. You could look for sharp peaks of intensity across the radio spectrum, for example, and figure out that there are other people using radios. In order to have cloaking, you would need to get rid of all obvious trace of a signal, perhaps along these lines: - Take a large sample of the background noise across the full range of the human-safe EMF spectrum detected in the vicinity of the antenna. - Encrypt your message with very strong encryption. - Using the background as the carrier signal, introduce small bits of your message here and there, amplifying and attenuating the background just a tiny bit across the full range of frequencies. - Use incredibly massive redundancy to ensure that the encrypted signal survives errors in transmission so that it can be successfully decrypted. Eric
RE: [Vo]:Transcension Hypothesis
Eric wrote: “With sufficiently advanced encryption, we could mistake the signal for white noise.” Sounds way too close to A.C.C’s third law which states: “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke's_three_laws -mark From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 11:05 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Transcension Hypothesis On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 8:56 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps they're using quantum cryptography with an enormously large key strength. With sufficiently advanced encryption, we could mistake the signal for white noise. Just to elaborate -- you would need to do more than simply encrypt the contents of the signal to achieve some kind of cloaking, since the way we transmit radio these days lends itself to detection in various ways, even if the contents cannot be decrypted. You could look for sharp peaks of intensity across the radio spectrum, for example, and figure out that there are other people using radios. In order to have cloaking, you would need to get rid of all obvious trace of a signal, perhaps along these lines: * Take a large sample of the background noise across the full range of the human-safe EMF spectrum detected in the vicinity of the antenna. * Encrypt your message with very strong encryption. * Using the background as the carrier signal, introduce small bits of your message here and there, amplifying and attenuating the background just a tiny bit across the full range of frequencies. * Use incredibly massive redundancy to ensure that the encrypted signal survives errors in transmission so that it can be successfully decrypted. Eric
[Vo]:Moving Beyond the Standard Model
Recently-analyzed data from BaBar, a high-energy physics experiment based at the US Department of Energy's SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory, show that a particular type of particle decay called 'B to D-star-tau-nu' happens more often than the Standard Model says it should http://www.tgdaily.com/general-sciences-features/64132-experiment-raises-doubt-over-standard-model-of-physics The results could be confirmed by the Belle collaboration, which studies similar particle collisions. If they do, the combined significance could be compelling enough to suggest how we can finally move beyond the Standard Model...
Re: [Vo]:Transcension Hypothesis
These theories are all well and good; but, there are much greater possibilities regarding the evolution of sentience. If you are unfamiliar with Childhood's End, I would highly recommend a reading. There are many who believe the hive mind is more of the rule than the exception. It certainly appears to be the case in nature. The flight of birds such as in the beginning of Take Shelter or this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH-groCeKbE implies an innate extrasensory form of communication. In Childhood's End, it takes the tranquility created by the Overlords for the mankind hatchling; but, in other scifi, the mind merge is created by such as the internet. One could certainly expect that when our wet ware links are installed as predicted by Gibson in Neuromancer. Indeed, Whitley Streiber (et. al. - no pun intended) has conjectured that the hive-minded little abductors who walk in lockstep while probing his nether regions are actually time travelling humans who have returned to the past in hopes of retrieving those genes which allowed individual thought. Maybe we are the exception using EM waves to communicate. Maybe most nascent sentience uses quantum entanglement for communication. Indeed we are living in a fairly old universe. Maybe we are just pets or a zoo for more mature species. It goes on. I won't. T
RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Missing Neutrons (hydrinos)
WELL SAID!! From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 12:28 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Missing Neutrons (hydrinos) One more post on this intriguing subject of “disappearing hydrinos” leading to anomalous cooling, before passing the pliers to Terry. We have already mentioned that Dirac’s “reciprocal space” provides an alternative venue for this modality, if it really exists – with a lot more credibility and less baggage that “parallel universes” … but that also brings up other fractal spatial possibilities. There is a paper on ArXiv – “Huge Casimir effect at finite temperature in electromagnetic Rindler space”. Here is the story on a blog: http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/10/proposed-metamaterial-structure-to-test.html http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1110/1110.1919v1.pdf Anyway – there are several novel connection between fractals, anomalous energy gain or loss - and active geometry which is not exactly 3-space, all of which keep popping up in the literature from time to time (not unlike quantum foam). The message is that particular geometry can somehow alter spacetime - and it is more than the actual spatial dimensions in nm, but also the layout and the (magnetic) field. These have a common thread in that there is a known dynamic Casimir effect (DCE) which can supply excess energy, due to spatial constraints and relativity (i.e. altered spacetime). Consider also: ‘Minkowski Space’ is related to ‘Rindler Space’ and also to ‘De Sitter Space.’ It is possible that all three of these terms relate to a unique fractal of space-time (using ‘fractal’ in the original sense of a fractional dimension) which becomes accessible at the Forster radius of 2-12 nm. This is NOT normal 3-space, nor is it 2-space but somewhere in between. Almost a wormhole, so to speak. Look at the image here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minkowski_spacetime in the context of this article http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1110/1110.1919v1.pdf This all fits together in a way that is not easy to verbalize, but seems to involve 1)Double vortex in spacetime 2)Vortex flipping and self-oscillation 3)Spatial geometry that relates to the Forster radius (FRET) 2-12 nm 4)Exaggerated vibrational modes 5)Anomaly is not always a gain in temperature – sometimes a loss. The problem is that this analysis is an early attempt to merge mathematical-space with real space. But what is “real space”, anyway? Jones - http://www.springerlink.com/content/h68g501352t57011/fulltext.pdf Same story on missing neutrons with graph and the full text site - showing the apparent region of interest with a cluster at about .1 Gauss. Of course, extending this finding (which could be wrong to begin with) to virtual neutrons is a leap. Yet that is what we do here- try to extend the ‘cutting edge’ … while avoiding the ‘bleeding edge’… This time there the reference paper is extremely suspect, in itself. Anyway, that small triangle in the graph could be important in the context of “nano-magnetism” and the fact that the trigger temperature for Ni-H seems to relate to the Curie temperature of nickel. It also tends to show visually how difficult hitting the parameter for disappearance would be. The magnetic field in question is actually LESS than the Earth's magnetic field at its surface which is about .4 Gauss in most places. A typical refrigerator magnet is 50 Gauss so we have to ask – are they really that accurate with this? We can imagine that the ‘sweet spot’ – which relates to cryogenic neutrons would be much harder to duplicate at 350C. Anyway, on the plus side - I could download the paper today from Springer for free, which is unusual since they (especially) usually charge a significant fee for carrying out the garbage. Jones … perhaps ALL reactions with hydrogen loaded metal result in a mix of the two temperature anomalies, hot and cold - even the ones that are massively gainful in heat… Those with heat, such as Rossi claims, could be at a ratio of 90/10 (hot/cold). Perhaps Ahern titanium samples gave 47/53 and it appeared to be cooling, but it was only net cooling with significant heat also….If the “missing neutron” or “missing hydrino” ends up providing a huge loss of mass-energy to the reaction, then that loss covers up a lot of excess heat prior to the disappearance. This can possibly explain why LERN is generally unreliable – a natural tendency to produce a balance of excess heat and excess cooling - and it requires some unknown intervention to shift the balance. The intervention appears to be a magnetic field at only about a tenth of a gauss.
Re: [Vo]:Transcension Hypothesis
2012/6/19 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com: Maybe we are the exception using EM waves to communicate. Maybe most nascent sentience uses quantum entanglement for communication. I agree. We are using EM to communicate since 200yrs only considering the telegraph. Could be that in 100 years EM will be obsoleted by new means of communication. Compared to Universe age 500 yrs are nothing so our own EM emission could remain undetected forever by any other form of life even on Earth. mic
Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Rossi’s carbon nanotubes
There are a several excellent reasons for a flat design. It can be up scaled easily by laying parallel units side by side to obtain larger power levels. Also, heat can be more easily extracted from a larger surface area such as a rectangle when compared to a cylinder. We do not know exactly how Rossi is reinforcing the flat structures for pressure as he may be doing it with the outer shell. And, I would think it is far easier to build a flat planar structure into a package especially when more than one is used. I suspect that the cost of the heavier material required to offset the strength lost due to flat versus cylinder shape is not important. At the size of his devices this material difference will be far out weighted by the energy savings. Do consider that all of the examples that you pointed out are usually seen in a stand alone environment where there is no need for an outer supporting structure which can easily compensate. Dave -Original Message- From: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:41 am Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Rossi’s carbon nanotubes Axil, IMHO, the following is my analysis: snip 1. I think we can be certain that the major redesign had something to do with being able to deliver sparks more efficiently. A pressure vessel made of 2 parallel plates makes abosolutely no sense for a pressure vessel from a mechanical or structural point of view. A vessel that is wide and broad and thin makes a poor pressure vessel because it is more difficult to prevent leaks and to fortify it properly for pressure operation. Hence the resulting vessel would have to be sturdier than necessary making it more expensive. Hence, makes no sense from a structural point of view. There's a reason why almost pressure vessels we use in the industry are cylindrical in shape, ie. propane tanks, gas tanks, oxygen tanks, and all sorts of pressure tanks. Roosi's redesign to a FatCat was prompted by something else. To me, it was the need to deliver sparks. I can't think of anything else. snip
Re: [Vo]:Transcension Hypothesis
A thought just occurred to me. Maybe the fact that we have not discovered radio signals from any of these aliens is a strong suggestion that there is an alternate superior method of communication that we will discover within the next few years, assuming that we progress as others have. This is all the more reason for us to adequately fund new unknown energy sources. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2012 2:05 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Transcension Hypothesis On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 8:56 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps they're using quantum cryptography with an enormously large key strength. With sufficiently advanced encryption, we could mistake the signal for white noise. Just to elaborate -- you would need to do more than simply encrypt the contents of the signal to achieve some kind of cloaking, since the way we transmit radio these days lends itself to detection in various ways, even if the contents cannot be decrypted. You could look for sharp peaks of intensity across the radio spectrum, for example, and figure out that there are other people using radios. In order to have cloaking, you would need to get rid of all obvious trace of a signal, perhaps along these lines: Take a large sample of the background noise across the full range of the human-safe EMF spectrum detected in the vicinity of the antenna. Encrypt your message with very strong encryption. Using the background as the carrier signal, introduce small bits of your message here and there, amplifying and attenuating the background just a tiny bit across the full range of frequencies. Use incredibly massive redundancy to ensure that the encrypted signal survives errors in transmission so that it can be successfully decrypted. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Moving Beyond the Standard Model
I suspect that the current 'Standard Model' is not the final model that will ever exist. As new discoveries are made the models will need to be upgraded and if history is an indication of what will happen in the future, the present models will be 'thrown into the dust heap of history' as it has been eloquently said. No disrespect intended. Dave -Original Message- From: Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com To: Vortex Listserve vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2012 9:00 am Subject: [Vo]:Moving Beyond the Standard Model Recently-analyzed data from BaBar, a high-energy physics experiment based at the US Department of Energy's SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory, show that a particular type of particle decay called 'B to D-star-tau-nu' happens more often than the Standard Model says it should http://www.tgdaily.com/general-sciences-features/64132-experiment-raises-doubt-over-standard-model-of-physics The results could be confirmed by the Belle collaboration, which studies similar particle collisions. If they do, the combined significance could be compelling enough to suggest how we can finally move beyond the Standard Model...
Re: [Vo]:Transcension Hypothesis
It sounds like you should author a new book titled 'The Matrix'(joking of course). I hope that we are of free will and have at least a small say as to how our lives are to proceed. Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2012 9:43 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Transcension Hypothesis These theories are all well and good; but, there are much greater ossibilities regarding the evolution of sentience. If you are nfamiliar with Childhood's End, I would highly recommend a reading. There are many who believe the hive mind is more of the rule than the xception. It certainly appears to be the case in nature. The flight f birds such as in the beginning of Take Shelter or this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH-groCeKbE implies an innate extrasensory form of communication. In Childhood's nd, it takes the tranquility created by the Overlords for the mankind atchling; but, in other scifi, the mind merge is created by such as he internet. One could certainly expect that when our wet ware links re installed as predicted by Gibson in Neuromancer. Indeed, Whitley Streiber (et. al. - no pun intended) has conjectured hat the hive-minded little abductors who walk in lockstep while robing his nether regions are actually time travelling humans who ave returned to the past in hopes of retrieving those genes which llowed individual thought. Maybe we are the exception using EM waves to communicate. Maybe most ascent sentience uses quantum entanglement for communication. Indeed we are living in a fairly old universe. Maybe we are just pets r a zoo for more mature species. It goes on. I won't. T
Re: [Vo]:Transcension Hypothesis
Even if you are caged like zoo animal, or work in labour camp or struggle to make ends meet, everyday you will have the free will to acquiesce. Harry On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:22 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: It sounds like you should author a new book titled 'The Matrix'(joking of course). I hope that we are of free will and have at least a small say as to how our lives are to proceed. Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2012 9:43 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Transcension Hypothesis These theories are all well and good; but, there are much greater possibilities regarding the evolution of sentience. If you are unfamiliar with Childhood's End, I would highly recommend a reading. There are many who believe the hive mind is more of the rule than the exception. It certainly appears to be the case in nature. The flight of birds such as in the beginning of Take Shelter or this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH-groCeKbE implies an innate extrasensory form of communication. In Childhood's End, it takes the tranquility created by the Overlords for the mankind hatchling; but, in other scifi, the mind merge is created by such as the internet. One could certainly expect that when our wet ware links are installed as predicted by Gibson in Neuromancer. Indeed, Whitley Streiber (et. al. - no pun intended) has conjectured that the hive-minded little abductors who walk in lockstep while probing his nether regions are actually time travelling humans who have returned to the past in hopes of retrieving those genes which allowed individual thought. Maybe we are the exception using EM waves to communicate. Maybe most nascent sentience uses quantum entanglement for communication. Indeed we are living in a fairly old universe. Maybe we are just pets or a zoo for more mature species. It goes on. I won't. T
[Vo]:free full 32 pages, Very high-temperature impact melt products as evidence for cosmic airbursts and impacts 12,900 years ago, TE Bunch et al, PNAS: Rich Murray 2012.06.19
free full 32 pages, Very high-temperature impact melt products as evidence for cosmic airbursts and impacts 12,900 years ago, TE Bunch et al, PNAS: Rich Murray 2012.06.19 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2012/06/free-full-32-pages-very-high.html www.cosmictusk.com via Scribd (can expand pages) www.pnas.org/cgi/doi/10.1073/pnas.1204453109 10 page pdf [ once saved, the pdf can be copied ] This article contains supporting information online at www.pnas.org/lookup/suppl/doi:10.1073/pnas.1204453109/-/DCSupplemental. 22 page pdf Very high-temperature impact melt products as evidence for cosmic airbursts and impacts 12,900 years ago Ted E. Bunch a,1, Robert E. Hermes b, Andrew M.T. Moore c, Douglas J. Kennett d, James C. Weaver e, James H. Wittke a, Paul S. DeCarli f, James L. Bischoff g, Gordon C. Hillman h, George A. Howard i, David R. Kimbel j, Gunther Kletetschka k,l, Carl P. Lipo m, Sachiko Sakai m, Zsolt Revay n, Allen West o, Richard B. Firestone p, and James P. Kennett q. a Geology Program, School of Earth Science and Environmental Sustainability, Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff, AZ 86011; b Los Alamos National Laboratory (retired), Los Alamos, NM 87545; c College of Liberal Arts, Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY 14623; d Department of Anthropology, Pennsylvania State University, University Park, PA 16802; e Wyss Institute for Biologically Inspired Engineering, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA 02138; f SRI International, Menlo Park, CA 94025; g US Geological Survey, Menlo Park, CA 94025; h Institute of Archaeology, University College London, London, United Kingdom; i Restoration Systems, LLC, Raleigh, NC 27604; j Kimstar Research, Fayetteville, NC 28312; k Faculty of Science, Charles University in Prague, and l Institute of Geology, Czech Academy of Science of the Czech Republic, v.v.i., Prague, Czech Republic; m Institute for Integrated Research in Materials, Environments, and Society (IIRMES), California State University, Long Beach, CA 90840; nForschungsneutronenquelle Heinz Maier-Leibnitz (FRM II), Technische Universität München, Munich, Germany; o GeoScience Consulting, Dewey, AZ 86327; p Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, Berkeley, CA 94720; and q Department of Earth Science and Marine Science Instititute, University of California, Santa Barbara, CA 93106 Edited by* Steven M. Stanley, University of Hawaii, Honolulu, HI, and approved April 30, 2012 (received for review March 19, 2012) Figure S6. [ 8 color photos of 0.2 mm spherules, page 16/32 = 6/22 ] Light photomicrographs of magnetic and glassy spherules from Melrose, PA. Shapes include spherules, ovals, teardrops, and dumbbells. Colors include clear, gray, red, brown, and black. Note spherule B contains a large bubble. Both dumbbells (D and H) indicate fusion of molten or semi-plastic spherules. Note that dumbbell H consists of two dissimilar accretionary spherules, one clear (Si-rich) and the other opaque (Fe-rich). photo of typical air burst geoablation glaze on hard bedrock at top of Mount Helix park, E San Diego: Rich Murray 2012.03.15 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2012/03/redbrown-glaze-on-hard-crystalline.html http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2012/03/photo-of-typical-air-burst-geoablation.html http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/98 Rich Murray, MA Boston University Graduate School 1967 psychology, BS MIT 1964 history and physics, 254-A Donax Avenue, Imperial Beach, CA 91932-1918 rmfor...@gmail.com 505-819-7388 cell 619-623-3468 home rich.murray11 Skype audio, video http://RMForAll.blogspot.com rmforallblog.wordpress.com
Re: [Vo]:Sagnac effect, optical gyroscope lock-in
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:08 AM, David Jonsson davidjonssonswe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Can someone refer me to the lock-in effect in optical gyroscopes? I have also heard the effect being mentioned as a phase lock loop effect. Could lock-in effect also be present in a straight interferometer like a Michelson-Morley-interferometer? Principle of operation A certain rate of rotation induces a small difference between the time it takes light to traverse the ring in the two directions according to the Sagnac effect. This introduces a tiny separation between the frequencies of the counter-propagating beams, a motion of the standing wave pattern within the ring, and thus a beat pattern when those two beams are interfered outside the ring. Therefore the net shift of that interference pattern follows the rotation of the unit in the plane of the ring. RLGs, while more accurate than mechanical gyroscopes, suffer from an effect known as lock-in at very slow rotation rates. When the ring laser is hardly rotating, the frequencies of the counter-propagating laser modes become almost identical. In this case crosstalk in between the counter-propagating beams can allow for injection locking so that the standing wave gets stuck in a preferred phase, thus locking the frequency of each beam to each other rather than responding to gradual rotation. Forced dithering can largely overcome this problem. The ring laser cavity is rotated clockwise and anti-clockwise about its axis using a mechanical spring driven at its resonance frequency. This ensures that the angular velocity of the system is usually far from the lock-in threshold. Typical rates are 400 Hz, with a peak dither velocity of 1 arc-second per second. Dither does not fix the lock-in problem completely, as each time the direction of rotation is reversed, a short time interval exists in which the rotation rate is near zero and lock-in can briefly occur. In a technically more complicated solution the gyro assembly is not rotated back and forth, but in one direction only at a constant angular rate. A related device is the fibre optic gyroscope which also operates on the basis of the Sagnac effect, but in which the ring is not a part of the laser. Rather, an external laser injects counter-propagating beams into an optical fiber ring, and rotation of the system then causes a relative phase shift between those beams when interfered after their pass through the fiber ring proportional to the rate of rotation. This is therefore less sensitive than the RLG in which the externally observed phase shift is proportional to the accumulated rotation itself, not its derivative. However the sensitivity of the fiber gyro is enhanced by having a long optical fiber coiled for compactness, but in which the Sagnac effect is multiplied according to the number of turns. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_laser_gyroscope end I don't think it relates to the MM experiment. T
Re: [Vo]:Transcension Hypothesis
Perhaps we, or more specifically, our gene pool, is considered something akin to a game preserve by many species out yonder. Future selves (containers?) occasionally coming back to sample the indigenous DNA of their ancient ancestors. Such a hypothesis would certainly make more sense as compared to ET's that evolved completely independently from us trying to splice our genes into theirs. Personally, I suspect there has been contamination going on for millions of years. In the final analysis, we are all bastards, and we're probably related to everyone. Welcome to the family! Unfortunately, that includes the In Laws too. ;-) Regarding ACC's CE, (Indeed, a great novel). This, of course, goes to the heart of what comprises a unique identity - a soul if you will. I suspect older souls like ACC and Carl Jung inevitably become more attuned to the illusion of the self and all the baggage associated with it. Perhaps at first such revelations disturb them. They end up writing novels and turgid scientific journals on the matter as a way to confront their internal struggles. Later, I think most simply accept the inevitability of it all. Life Consciousness... Even if it does transform to something else that is currently perceived as unknown, it still goes on. We go on. Do individual identities exist, or are identities nothing more than an evolutionary construct that seems to have certain advantages over the more instinctual hive minded approach. From an evolutionary POV, it would seem that both approaches of awareness have their advantages and disadvantages. Do I exist? (Personally: I think not... therefore I am not!) I am not I. Perhaps I/we-all are observers who are playing with an infinite number of I's on the planar field of the Universe. I think a number of eastern approaches have got a much better handle on such vexing matters. Western philosophies and our quaint relig'ns are only now beginning to grasp the ramifications of what certain eastern POVs managed to grok thousands of years ago. My, oh my! Such a recent spat of OT discussions! ... about the nature of consciousness. Makes my wet ware quiver! ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Transcension Hypothesis
MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Eric wrote: “With sufficiently advanced encryption, we could mistake the signal for white noise.” ** ** Sounds way too close to A.C.C’s third law which states: “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” I discussed this very issue with Clarke. I said that data compression is likely to make utilitarian interstellar communication invisible. He agreed. He had a lot professional knowledge of data, communication, radio, radar and so on, from WWII. (A lot more than me.) That is to say, an advanced civilization communicating with a colony on another star is likely to use a narrow beam that will not be intercepted in the first place, and it is likely to compress the data even more than we compress multichannel television broadcasts from satellites. It would end up looking like a white light; just noise. Years ago it was thought that TV and radio signals from the Earth would reach distant stars. That was one of the themes of the movie Contact (1997). Lately I have read that signals from Earth probably fade out completely at less than 1 light year, and cannot be read even in principle. I suppose that means planetary, satellite, and interplanetary communication on other stars cannot be read by us. I expect the only signals we could read with confidence would be ones that are intended to be read by any civilization with radio; i.e. the signal in Contact. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Transcension Hypothesis
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: There are many who believe the hive mind is more of the rule than the exception. It certainly appears to be the case in nature. The flight of birds such as in the beginning of Take Shelter or this vid: My guess is that there is some prosaic method of communication between the birds, if anything in biology can be described as prosaic. I say that because there have been countless other astounding abilities discovered in biology yet in every case I know of so far, when they were explained, the explanation did not involve anything beyond the known set of senses such as vision, hearing, sense of touch or magnetism (used by migrating birds). The classic example is a bat's ability to navigate in semi-darkness from hearing (echolocation). It is astounding, but it ain't ESP. Before they discovered bat echolocation in 1938 it seemed like ESP. Even if the means of communication are prosaic and similar to our own senses, I think it is perfectly reasonable to say that a flock of birds does have a hive mind. A hive of bees definitely does. A hive of bees is capable of advanced, organized behavior such as scouting and bringing back food, and building complex wax honeycomb shapes. A single bee could never do this. I doubt it would even have enough brain cells to store the information. Insects communicate by ordinary means such as movement and pheromones that have been partially decoded by people. - Jed
[Vo]:OT:The aging brain: Why getting older just might be awesome
The prevailing wisdom is that creative endeavors are good for helping to slow the decline of our mental capabilities. But what if, in fact, the aging brain is more capable than its younger counterpart at creativity and innovation? It's a compelling proposition in our society, where more and more seniors are looking for jobs and going back to work (the number of working seniors has more than doubled since 1990, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics); where ageism is rampant in many areas (particularly hiring); and where innovation is, for the most part, considered a young person's domain. http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/19/health/enayati-aging-brain-innovation/index.html Harry
Re: [Vo]:OT:The aging brain: Why getting older just might be awesome
Dear Harry, if you have a special interest in this organ, you can find many papers about BRAIN in the newsletter INFORMAVORE's SUNDAY (no 438 to 500) at SCIENCE and in the newer QUI CITO (no1 to 30) at my blog EGO OUT. You also can learn about Bisinisencephalians but it is dangerous, better to avoid it. Peter On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 10:31 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: The prevailing wisdom is that creative endeavors are good for helping to slow the decline of our mental capabilities. But what if, in fact, the aging brain is more capable than its younger counterpart at creativity and innovation? It's a compelling proposition in our society, where more and more seniors are looking for jobs and going back to work (the number of working seniors has more than doubled since 1990, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics); where ageism is rampant in many areas (particularly hiring); and where innovation is, for the most part, considered a young person's domain. http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/19/health/enayati-aging-brain-innovation/index.html Harry -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
[Vo]:Test
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Re: [Vo]:Test
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[Vo]:e-cat world quoted my post here
I posted an astringent response to some of the comments. The skeptics said what they always say, and I said what I always say. Which is: read the literature before you comment on this subject. It reminds me a little of Duke of Wellington's comment about his own tried-and-true tactics against the French army: They came on in the same old way and we defeated them in the same old way. See: http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/06/how-big-of-a-story-is-cold-fusion/ - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Transcension Hypothesis
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:05 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: ** Sounds way too close to A.C.C’s third law which states: “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” Sounds right. I'm sure I subconsciously picked up on that concept but didn't realize it. Eric
RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:FYI: ZPF-inertia work applied to subatomic particles; spatial harmonic resonances
Do electons have mass or do they not? Numerical simulations of this effect demonstrate the manner in which a MASSless fundamental particle, e.g. an electron, acquires inertial properties; this also shows the apparent origin of particle spin along lines originally proposed by Schrodinger. Finally, we suggest that the heavier leptons (muon and tau) may be explainable as spatial-harmonic resonances of the (fundamental) electron. They would carry the same overall charge, but with the charge now having spatially lobed structure, each lobe of which would respond to higher frequency components of the electromagnetic quantum vacuum, thereby increasing the inertia and thus manifesting a heavier MASS. ***A MASSless particle won't manifest a heavier MASS. Either way, the theory postulates that electrons would acquire intertia. That means the electrons are manipulable, and if they have inertia, they can be pushed away from Protons in the Hydrogen nuclei and thus the Coulomb barrier is easier to overcome. I postulate this in the thread where I suggest the Poynting Asymmetrical Capacitor Thrust vector is discussed http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg66755.html
Re: [Vo]:Transcension Hypothesis
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:10 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: A thought just occurred to me. Maybe the fact that we have not discovered radio signals from any of these aliens is a strong suggestion that there is an alternate superior method of communication that we will discover within the next few years, assuming that we progress as others have. This is all the more reason for us to adequately fund new unknown energy sources. Dave I like that thought. To further flesh out the idea about the novel form of EM radiation communication, imagine a GIF image of the Mona Lisa. It looks just like any other such image, but some of the pixels have a slightly different color. The modification is subtle enough that the human eye won't be able to see the difference. And if the encoding is done very cleverly, even very good computer algorithms won't be able to pick it out. But if you have the public key, you can run the image through decompression software and get a message out. The encoding scheme could involve the colors in the image as they relate to other colors, for example. Now imagine doing this with radio communication across a spectrum. The image in this case is whatever is passing through the transceiver at that moment. Since we're using a lot of redundancy in the encoding of the information, we can afford to make the modifications to the incoming signal very slight. You might be able to get away with such a scheme with every little power consumed in relaying the modified signal -- I'm just guessing here, but perhaps it could be more energy efficient to transmit information this way. And there could be different channels -- low frequencies together with their harmonics, which you could use for things like error correction. This seems like something that might already be possible. I wonder if militaries already have something like it. The quantum entanglement idea is an interesting one. Eric
RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:FYI: ZPF-inertia work applied to subatomic particles; spatial harmonic resonances
They do, about 1/2000th that of a proton. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Eskimo North Linux Friendly Internet Access, Shell Accounts, and Hosting. Knowledgable human assistance, not telephone trees or script readers. See our web site: http://www.eskimo.com/ (206) 812-0051 or (800) 246-6874. On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 helloke...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:36:39 -0700 (PDT) From: helloke...@sbcglobal.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:FYI: ZPF-inertia work applied to subatomic particles; spatial harmonic resonances Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:41:26 -0700 Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Do electons have mass or do they not? Numerical simulations of this effect demonstrate the manner in which a MASSless fundamental particle, e.g. an electron, acquires inertial properties; this also shows the apparent origin of particle spin along lines originally proposed by Schrodinger. Finally, we suggest that the heavier leptons (muon and tau) may be explainable as spatial-harmonic resonances of the (fundamental) electron. They would carry the same overall charge, but with the charge now having spatially lobed structure, each lobe of which would respond to higher frequency components of the electromagnetic quantum vacuum, thereby increasing the inertia and thus manifesting a heavier MASS. ***A MASSless particle won't manifest a heavier MASS. Either way, the theory postulates that electrons would acquire intertia. That means the electrons are manipulable, and if they have inertia, they can be pushed away from Protons in the Hydrogen nuclei and thus the Coulomb barrier is easier to overcome. I postulate this in the thread where I suggest the Poynting Asymmetrical Capacitor Thrust vector is discussed http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg66755.html
