RE: [Vo]:Important news from HUG team in Minnesota
Regarding radiation: The Minnesota team is using a fused quartz tube. Since Quartz glass is more transparent to the infrared wavelengths than borosilicate glass, the cell is losing a significant amount of the heat energy compared to Celani because Celani is using a borosilicate tube. http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/105-quartz-vs-pyrex-glass-conclu sions Regarding convection: The heat conductivity of Hydrogen gas doesnt change much at the pressure used in the cell. Its a matter only of a few percent. If the MFMP team changes the quartz tube to a borosilicate tube (or even better SS tube paint in black), then the question will be solved. Celani doesnt have this problem. Its not a bad news in itself. It is just an evolution/reflexion in their quest for the replication of Celanis effect. Arnaud _ From: Jeff Berkowitz [mailto:pdx...@gmail.com] Sent: dimanche 2 décembre 2012 08:02 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Important news from HUG team in Minnesota It's bad news, but it's important. In short, the contention now is that Celani did not account for effect of pressure changes within the cell. Reducing the gas pressure reduces the thermal conductivity of the gas. This reduces the temperature of cell components like the metal flanges that are mostly heated by the gas. So at lower gas pressure, the flanges don't get as hot and so don't radiate away as much heat. But the electrical heating is constant, so measured temperatures at other points in the cell must rise. HUG is contending that this pressure-modulated rise in temperature elsewhere in the cell is what Celani measured as excess heat. http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/163-a-partial-explaination Jeff
Re: [Vo]:all road blocks removed
Frank, I even get to read your book for free since I am an Amazon Prime member! Stewart darkmattersalot.com On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 10:59 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Peer reviewed journals have rejected me for 20 years. With the help of Miley and Glen Robenson I had two peer reviewed conference papers published. They were gutted to pass the reviewers and say nothing. I don't even understand them in their perfected state. How could anyone else? A journal, just now, is reviewing my paper. It may go. Publication fees are $600. Why would I want to pay that? Along comes Amazon and publishes my book, saying what I want and how I want. I make a few bucks on the deal. The books are selling. Who needs peer review in this modern age? Dun Da Da Dun, can't stop me. Dun Da do dun, can't stop me. Thank you Amazon, nice paper back, global market, and getting the message out. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooksfield-keywords=frank+znidarsic+science+books Frank Znidarsic
Re: [Vo]:all road blocks removed
Thanks Chem E Stewart. If you like it please write a review. Sales have dropped off after an initial burst. I am afraid that it will have no impact. My boss would tell me, Money talks and bullshit walks. For the few bucks that it makes Amazon will use its global distribution network and sell my book. This could not have happened a few years ago. Frank Z
Re: [Vo]:all road blocks removed
Frank, You might try to start using a blog like Wordpress or something similar to promote your ideas, theories and book. My blog is taking off, I publish snipets of my blogsearch (new word) . It is a good way to promote your book. Stewart On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 9:22 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Thanks Chem E Stewart. If you like it please write a review. Sales have dropped off after an initial burst. I am afraid that it will have no impact. My boss would tell me, Money talks and bullshit walks. For the few bucks that it makes Amazon will use its global distribution network and sell my book. This could not have happened a few years ago. Frank Z
Re: [Vo]:Important news from HUG team in Minnesota
This is bad news. It would explain why they have been testing wires for weeks now without seeing significant excess heat. I have heard also that Celani was unable to make his cell self sustain even though he increased the insulation. If he is making a mistake in calorimetry that would explain everything. His method is crude. As I said during ICCF17, McKubre and others expressed doubts about it. I am not saying it is wrong for sure, but this certainly calls the results into question. This demonstrates why it is essential that all claims be tested independently, with different instruments. I expect the HUG instruments are better than Celani's. I wonder what the MFM will do next if this turns out to be a mistake. I have doubts about the calorimetry in some other gas loading claims claims, such as Takahashi, Kitamura et al.: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/TakahashiAphenomenol.pdf In my opinion, the reaction is too small and it does not continue long enough to be definitive. I think they are not using enough powder. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Important news from HUG team in Minnesota
I have been computing a number of time domain transitions between different outer glass temperatures versus input power levels for the Celani replication project. After a lot of hard effort I have been able to work out a process which allows me to generate excellent curve matching between the measured values and my process model. The pressure change effect is clearly visible and detrimental to an otherwise essentially perfect time fit. The model I am using does not require any excess power to be generated in order to work properly. There is no way to be certain that the Celani concept does not actually generate extra energy, but that case is becoming easier to support as the testing progresses and our tools become more accurate. I would like to see additional calibration attempts with inactive wires to ensure that our results are solid. It would be unfortunate if this type of system does not generate additional heat since it so closely resembles other systems that we have great confidence in. I only wish that we had access to the same quality of data to review concerning operation of these other devices. It would not take long for the team to determine how well they perform. Dave
Re: [Vo]:all road blocks removed
Frank, I encourage you, like Stewart, to use a wordpress.com blog to write about the topic in 'installments' (sub chapters, or topical aspects on a sub-chapter topic. It's a great format, and if you write regularly, the search engines will identify that regular behaviour and will increase the ranking to your site. If you link to your amazon book, it can then increase traffic. This is part of SEO (search engine optimization) and is how you keep getting exposure to new people outside your normal 'circles'. Also, I encourage you to continue to work toward a published article in a peer-reviewed journal. I think many young investigators have an increased skepticism from BS-peddlers, and seeing someone participating in the peer-review process reinforces that, even as an underdog, you're part of the good road. Best, Zak On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 10:03 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Frank, You might try to start using a blog like Wordpress or something similar to promote your ideas, theories and book. My blog is taking off, I publish snipets of my blogsearch (new word) . It is a good way to promote your book. Stewart On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 9:22 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Thanks Chem E Stewart. If you like it please write a review. Sales have dropped off after an initial burst. I am afraid that it will have no impact. My boss would tell me, Money talks and bullshit walks. For the few bucks that it makes Amazon will use its global distribution network and sell my book. This could not have happened a few years ago. Frank Z -- newalexandria.org [image: Lostone] @origamistork http://twitter.com/origamistork [image: Lostone] @invis_insight http://twitter.com/invis_insight github::newalexandria https://github.com/newalexandria/ [image: Server Fault blog]stack-exchangehttp://stackexchange.com/users/97237/newalexandria?tab=accounts
Re: [Vo]:all road blocks removed
I let you know how my sales do after the first of the year. I am really impressed by Amazon's Create Space. They print, on demand, a nice paper back, well bounded, with a color cover. How do they do it? I few years ago publication fees would have been in the thousands of dollars. Today is about 60% of sales price (amazon and create space costs together) with no up front costs. The Kindle pays 70% back to the author. Maybe Stevik will say something nice about it and help with sales? And then again, maybe not. Frank Z
RE: [Vo]:Important news from HUG team in Minnesota
From my point of view, the wire has been burned out since November the 12th during calibration in Helium. The power sent to the wire went up to 100W! The temperature at the surface of wire reached a very high temperature (Convection and radiation play here, so it is difficult to estimate it). When the power released to 55W, a quenching occurred. Celani on its presentation at ICCF 17 clearly stated, on its report, that quenching has a dramatic effect on the wire (See slide 16 of the ICCF17 presentation). Simply, this wire is dead. Doesn't mean the wire isn't able to load Hydrogen, but that the quenching destroyed all the NAEs (if any) present before the calibration. Arnaud
Re: [Vo]:Important news from HUG team in Minnesota
This may not be a factor in the Celani replication experiment where pressures are high (greater than 1 atmosphere correct??), but at low pressures, the thermal conductivity of hydrogen gas is hugely impacted by small amounts of a heavier molecule gas that is added - such as Argon or nitrogen. I forget exactly how low the pressure needs to be - but something less than 10% of 1 atmosphere (1.5 psi). So for example, 1.5 psi of 90% H2 and 10% Argon has much lower thermal conductivity than 100% H2 at the same pressure. The reason is that fast moving hydrogen is *physically* blocked from transporting heat by the much slower and larger Argon atoms. 18 years ago, in 1995, I was running a Mizuno proton conductor replication experiment and I added a very small amount of air (which is mostly nitrogen) to the low pressure deuterium gas and got a temperature rise. I had thought that adding gas should increase the thermal conductivity of the gas and reduce the temperature of the proton conductor operating at 350 C. But because of the low pressure H2 and the addition of higher weight gas, the temperature increased and I therefore thought that Air was the trigger for a cold fusion effect. It took a bit of research to find out that I had an artifact. I was able to post my question about thermal conductivity changes on a discussion board and got an answer. The Internet was a great help - even back then in its beginning. But again, in the Celani replication experiment where the pressures are greater than 1 atmosphere, this issue of hydrogen conductivity being affected hugely by Argon in a counter intuitive way is less of an issue. The purpose of my email is to alert people to the counter intuitive effects at low pressures (less than 10% of an atmosphere) involving Hydrogen and a second higher molecular weight gas. Though I could not find a good thermal conductivity graph of hydrogen and another gas at low pressure on the internet to show my point. On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 2:02 AM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: It's bad news, but it's important. In short, the contention now is that Celani did not account for effect of pressure changes within the cell. Reducing the gas pressure reduces the thermal conductivity of the gas. This reduces the temperature of cell components like the metal flanges that are mostly heated by the gas. So at lower gas pressure, the flanges don't get as hot and so don't radiate away as much heat. But the electrical heating is constant, so measured temperatures at other points in the cell must rise. HUG is contending that this pressure-modulated rise in temperature elsewhere in the cell is what Celani measured as excess heat. http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/163-a-partial-explaination Jeff
[Vo]:Interesting Ceramic Lattice Use for LENR
Jones and Axil, Your comments? http://lenr.cwahi.net/ Hao
Re: [Vo]:Interesting Ceramic Lattice Use for LENR
There is a typo in reaction #3 of *In Situ Reaction* * * ** On Sunday, December 2, 2012, 7323fu...@gmail.com 7323fu...@gmail.com wrote: Jones and Axil, Your comments? http://lenr.cwahi.net/ Hao
[Vo]:Fwd: Defkalion in a greek journal: Tovima
someone found a greek article about Defkalion... manythings already said, but some interesting, if not huge claims links and comments on lenr forum... if some greek speaking can correct the translation on the forum, most is not so clear. (PS: I got a permanent fatal error from vortex-l) http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=27t=921#p3158 -- The most important newspaper of Greece To Vima in its Sunday edition, has an author (2 pages) on Defkalion. http://www.tovima.gr/science/article/?aid=486578 in googlish.. http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=autotl=enjs=nprev=_thl=enie=UTF-8layout=2eotf=1u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tovima.gr%2Fscience%2Farticle%2F%3Faid%3D486578act=url About Nelson third party test: I read the transcript of the trial and saw Nelson confirmed that the excess energy to reach the exit, even threefold - over the six times I saw myself. But note and one of the three catalysts Deucalion kept secret: potash. I thought that the other two would barium and strontium, but it was only a guess. I hope the gogglish translation is fair... this section seems interesting but not so clear... Help needed: So ... attempt superconductivity in non-frozen conditions? asked John HATZICHRISTOU. Exactly, he replied smiling. We conditions superconductivity at 340 degrees Celsius! The whole thing was to break the Coulomb barrier and all that was needed was to open up the appropriate tunnel. We managed playing with the geometry of crystals of nickel and layout plasma reactor, he said enigmatically. But ... then worked with magnetic monopoles! reacted instinctively. Are you too read, she said yes but then remained silent. Tell me only this if you want: Has your relationship with patent this year's Nobel Physics? . looked at me intensely to finally tell me: Of the 247 researchers in the field who visited us from around the world looking for what they do, you just asked about. The 247 scientist visiting are a great claim, but a claim... if True, great. About theoretical point, superconduction , tunneling, monopole need to be detailed and translated. this extract is not clear, but raise interest. Difficulties for the mainstream to understand their project, actions from incumbent, and a strange denunciation... and NSA... I talked a lot with the managing director of Alexander Xanthoulis Deucalion, the technical director John HATZICHRISTOU and marketing director Simon Tsalikoglou what happened to 'the pick and go from Greece and what they plan to do now. He recounted all aspects of the 18-month waiting to receive the state minimum support asking: identification of field research as a green technology and even a simple loan for the completion of investigations and trials. All promises proved false, or inability to understand the relevant issue either deliberate indifference or conflict of interest with current energy notables of the country. He told names throughout this arduous litany who lived, but insisted that off the record. Only one outburst Xanthoulis John told me: Shortly after last year your article Step came to us for review upon complaint that eponymous illegal manufacture generators. When demonstrating control over the false complaint, we asked who did it and then, automatically, the anonymous complaint was baptized. I asked him if in fact the government had considered a serious effort. He said: If our technology not convince them, they were not convinced that we were visited by the Director of the National Security of the United States (NSA) to be updated? Got no news of his visit when blocked roads to Glyfada arrive here? Or that asked me informed Barroso; . after about interested business, a strange cohort of candidate to buy ... and some not afraid to ask all: Chinese, turks (when you know the story between the two countries, it is crazy. imagine USA selling Texas to UK). Really, I asked, What strange you first visited and how many others after? '. First came the Chinese, he said, but they wanted all their own. Followed ... everyone. Almost all major industrial nations. The less demand the Turks, who put us in a check table 100 million, seeking only to move the headquarters to Turkey and say that technology is Turkish. We offered them money just when you need them most, but we are not going to accept the heart. they explain why they choose canada, which have welcomed them well, unlike others like Greece. Anyway they plan to go back home in 3 years... when business will be running. Now, why in Canada? '. Why not here not only helped us none of the research institutes addressed, said Mr. Xanthoulis, but reached the MP Short Xanthi make querying the spring in the House for the ... nuclear waste will be stored at the port of Kavala! In contrast, Canada has accepted us unconditionally. And not only our sponsors and gives us official authorization to certification that it is not a conventional nuclear technology, as well as our free features its national
[Vo]:How bad is this news?
Subject: more bad news http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/02/climate-change-study-emissions_n_2228646.html
[Vo]:How bad is this news?
More crap. Without polluting CO2 there would be no life on this planet. Perhaps more to the point, global temperature has not risen for 16 years falsifying the IPCC forecast. Six years ago, the story was there has been no temperature rise for 10 years but that is not enough for a trend. You need 15 years for that. Now apparently one needs 20.
[Vo]:NIST Experiments Challenge Fundamental Understanding of Electromagnetism
NIST Experiments Challenge Fundamental Understanding of Electromagnetism From NIST Tech Beat: November 27, 2012 A cornerstone of physics may require a rethink if findings at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) are confirmed. Recent experiments suggest* that the most rigorous predictions based on the fundamental theory of electromagnetism—one of the four fundamental forces in the universe, and harnessed in all electronic devices—may not accurately account for the behavior of atoms in exotic, highly charged states... http://www.nist.gov/pml/div684/ebit-112712.cfm Harry
Re: [Vo]:Bitcoin Forum;Reason for ban?
A funny trick here folks, I remember years ago when my brother said he overclocked his computer. I dont know what that was about, I think he thought it made the computer run faster or something. So anyways heres my reply to Terry Blanton --- On Fri, 11/30/12, Harvey Norris harv...@yahoo.com wrote:(ORIGINAL POST) Note the discrepancy of the reply being sent before the post was made! Re: [Vo]:io9 and the bitcoin forum Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:19 AM From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com Which of course gave me: Returned mail: see transcript for details So now I guess I can send the reply from the correct timeframe CONTAINED FROM MY ORIGINAL POST. No wonder I had trouble finding his letter to reply to, it appeared (on mail records) before I even started the post! My question is what kind of forum is so important that it has 70,877 members! It's become a way to make a living: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_farming Thanx, very informative. I tried Google, but didnt think about wikipedia. New members are only allowed to post on newbie list, a sample; Re: So, teh ruleze sais I need post here... November 28, 2012, 02:10:45 PM A reply to post; Anyone who uses teh, ruleze or n00b shouldn't even be let out of newbie prison anyway ever. They actually did send me a reply for my spam appeal; Your writing style is very bad. Your posts look like they were written by a robot. And that stuff isn't relevant to Bitcoin. Guess you guys were right and thanx for the other suggestions. I will soon be sending a groundbreaking scopeform that leaves one wondering how it could exist. HDN
Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news?
I tend to agree that the problem is being blown out of proportion. The world climate system is far more complex than the modelers admit and they never seem to reveal their errors. There is a strong case being developed that cosmic rays are the major driver of the Earth's climate and the computer modelers do not include that effect when they predict the future. You would think that the recent 16 year period would give them pause, but apparently it doesn't. Since global warming does not appear to be at the expected levels they now use the term climate change. It is quite easy to attribute normal weather extremes to this new description. Some are willing to give an international organization the right to tax the emission of carbon dioxide, but I am personally not ready to be subject to their control. The sooner cold fusion devices begin to negate the problem, the better it will be for all of us. Our basic freedoms are at stake in this type of issue and I fear that the current leadership of my country is vulnerable to being bullied by outside influence. Dave -Original Message- From: a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net To: vortex-L vortex-L@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 10:26 pm Subject: [Vo]:How bad is this news? More crap. Without polluting CO2 there would be no life on this planet. Perhaps more to the point, global temperature has not risen for 16 years falsifying the IPCC forecast. Six years ago, the story was there has been no temperature rise for 10 years but that is not enough for a trend. You need 15 years for that. Now apparently one needs 20.
Re: [Vo]:NIST Experiments Challenge Fundamental Understanding of Electromagnetism
This is not the first time a theory is found to be lacking in some manner. Better instrumentation and experimentation yields new discoveries on many occasions. I am confident that the physics community will correct the erroneous theory and make forward progress if these results are confirmed. If the physicists are fortunate, previously unknown relationships between particles will be uncovered as a result of the discrepancy. Dave -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 12:16 am Subject: [Vo]:NIST Experiments Challenge Fundamental Understanding of Electromagnetism NIST Experiments Challenge Fundamental Understanding of Electromagnetism From NIST Tech Beat: November 27, 2012 A cornerstone of physics may require a rethink if findings at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) are confirmed. Recent experiments suggest* that the most rigorous predictions based on the fundamental theory of electromagnetism—one of the four fundamental forces in the universe, and harnessed in all electronic devices—may not accurately account for the behavior of atoms in exotic, highly charged states... http://www.nist.gov/pml/div684/ebit-112712.cfm Harry
