Re: [Vo]:For the Future of LENR
http://166.111.26.4/3progress/3transmutation/32Miley/2005MileyGHoverviewofa(ICCF12Paper) .pdf *OVERVIEW OF LIGHT WATER/HYDROGEN-BASED LOW ENERGY NUCLEAR REACTIONS * ** A quantitative measure of the yield of transmutation products (and isotopic shifts from natural distribution in key products) in 4 major atomic groups (6-18, 22-35, 44-54, 75-85) were obtained by Miley, Patterson et al. [1]. Others also have reported significant nuclear reaction products and isotopic shifts in light water LENRs. In some cases of the observed elements were from the Lanthanide Group, including Lu, Tb, Pr, Eu, Sm, Gd, Dy, Ho, Nd and Yb. It is widely accepted that these rare earth elements are less likely to be found as impurities, strengthening confidence in their results (although most researchers have tried to rule out mistakes due to impurities vs. the common "product" elements such as Fe, Cu, Ag, Zn, Au, etc via analysis of cell components, electrodes and electrolyte prior to LENR runs). Isotopic shifts are another key feature often cited against mistaken identification of impurities as reaction products. Violante’s study showed that the 63Cu /65Cu isotopic ratio shifted [33]. In this Ni-hydride film work the most abundant copper isotope was 65Cu with a shift from natural distribution by 1360%. Cirillo and Iorio found Re, Os, Au, Hf, Tl, Er, and Yb on the surface of the cathode, which was not present before the reactions [9]. Ohmori et al. reported finding Hg, Kr, Ni and Fe with anomalous compositions in Au electrodes during light water electrolysis [29]. In addition Si, Mg with other anomalous compositions were also detected in the precipitates separated from the Au electrode after 4 electrolysis at extremely high current densities. They found significant deviations from natural values. Minor product elements such as Os, W, and Ru in particular showed large deviation, whereas elements with larger yields like Pb and Ag rarely showed significant deviations. And so on... On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 6:12 PM, wrote: > Its hard to relate this to LENR in D/Pd systems. If you ad a D or H to a > palladium and the created instable nucleus (Ag*) emit an alpha, > > it will create some mostly unstable nuclides of rhodium. Rh103 is the only > stabile rhodium. H+Pd106 will give the stabile Rh103 and there are no > > stabile Pd for making Rh103 from D. If more alphas is ejected the problem > with instability becomes lager Tc or instable Nb. > > If the H or D are ejected at the same time as Palladium gives of an > alpha, you may have a ruthenium. The can the fusing hydrogen be ejected in > this way? > > Probably not. > > > > On Sun, 1 Sep 2013 15:02:01 -0400, Axil Axil wrote: > > The tendency for Helium production in LENR transmutation could well be > the result of the inherent nature of the nucleus to be constructed out of > alpha particle clusters. The alpha particle cluster model is one of the > enduring concepts that run through all the various theories of nuclear > structure. > > As background, one of the original motivations behind the alpha-particle > model of the nucleus in the 1930s was the fact that, among the naturally > radioactive nuclei, the alpha particle was known to be one of the principal > emissions. Since such radioactivity is conceptualized as the evaporation of > alpha-particles from the nuclear surface, the high rate of alpha particle > production suggested that alphas might exist, at least transiently, as > bound systems on the nuclear surface. > > > Quasi-fission and multi-fragmentation experiment conducted in the early > 1970s inspired interest in nuclear clustering in light of experimental > findings that when medium and large nuclei are bombarded with relatively > high-energy particles – not merely enough to strip the nucleus of one or a > few nucleons, but enough to shatter it into small fragments, there is an > unexpectedly large number of alpha particles and multiples of alpha > particles among the break-up fragments. Such results are strong indication > that there is alpha clustering throughout the interior of all nuclei – > small, medium and large (MacGregor,1976). > > > Furthermore, experimental elements transmutation results released by DGT > in their ICCF-17 paper that document a large accumulation of lithium, boron > and beryllium transmutation products support the alpha cluster model of the > nucleus. These light elements are just bigger chunks of nuclear alpha > particle modulo fragments blasted off the nuclei of heavy elements as a > result of a fission based transmutation process. > > The ash assay from the Rossi reactor has shown that 10% of the nickel was > transmuted into iron. The Iron nucleus is just one alpha particle lighter > than the nickel nucleus. Most F-P advocates deny this experimental result > as damaging to the deuterium fusion genesis of helium. > > > Low energy LENR experiments as typified by the Fleischmann and Pons > experiments might be only strong enough
[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:What the heck is LENR+, anyway?
xvxv ZZzAssOc zz xxsex CT vacs cv Mv Sent from my HTC smartphone on the Now Network from Sprint! - Reply message - From: "Axil Axil" To: "vortex-l" Subject: [Vo]:What the heck is LENR+, anyway? Date: Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:10 pm Wow, Jed Rothwell has awakened from a quarter century of slumber. The Sleeper Has Finally Awakened. While you were asleep, Rossi has told us what he was doing all along, all we had to do is listen…yes with concentration and purpose but he has revealed all to those who would listen with attention and to take heed. Piece by piece, clue by clue it was all revealed in little bits and pieces. LENR does not use micro and nanoparticles and LENR+ does. That is what Rossi first taught us, he told us to use small particles but not too small and he even gave us the right size. He told us to cover the micro particles with nanowire. There is also high pressure hydrogen involved. He told us to use a catalyst that was activated through heating in the hot hydrogen. And most importantly, he gave us faith that the thing he built would work. I told you before that you never had this faith and you never will have it. Without that faith, you will never invest in the work to look for the answers. You are chained to the past by the ghosts of pons and fleischmann, and by the production of helium in a cold fusion. I tried my best to teach you the rules behind it all but you just don’t get it. I feel sorry for you and the others …for what you are missing… your shoes nailed to the floor by LENR… because LENR+ is a thing of complex beauty that you will never know. On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:43 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: There has been a lot of blather here along these lines: That is how LENR is. This is no science behind it, It is all trial and error. Now LENR+. is analogous to the first vacuum tube radios. There is a degree of science nad methodology behind it and LENR+ works well almost every time. Okay, so what is the difference between LENR and LENR+? Is LENR with Pd-D, and LENR+ Ni-H? Why don't you just call it that? Most people who tried to make Ni-H work got nothing. No heat, no results. So I do not understand why anyone claims "it works well every time." Maybe it works for Rossi, but he is not telling anyone else how to do it, is he? So we should not call this LENR+. We should call it "whatever Rossi is doing, assuming his results are what he and Levi et al. claim they are." That's not a generally applicable statement about any branch of LENR. It is a statement about Rossi. There was a time when Patterson had very promising results too, with high power density. Unfortunately, he did not tell anyone how to do it, and he took the secret to the grave. Rossi might do the same thing. Until he teaches, perhaps with a patent that is replicated, his discovery is not a new form of LENR in the broad sense of the word. It is a trade secret that at present no one else has any clue how to achieve. It may be that Defkalion has also achieved highly reliable Ni-H cold fusion. I wouldn't know; they have not published any data. The demonstration looked promising but it is not proof. To get proof, you have to have an independent team go on and wring the thing out for weeks. It takes weeks because you often encounter the kinds of problems that Levi et al. had, with the cell melting and so on. Plus the team may need to improve the instruments a couple of times, the way Levi did. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:For the Future of LENR
Its hard to relate this to LENR in D/Pd systems. If you ad a D or H to a palladium and the created instable nucleus (Ag*) emit an alpha, it will create some mostly unstable nuclides of rhodium. Rh103 is the only stabile rhodium. H+Pd106 will give the stabile Rh103 and there are no stabile Pd for making Rh103 from D. If more alphas is ejected the problem with instability becomes lager Tc or instable Nb. If the H or D are ejected at the same time as Palladium gives of an alpha, you may have a ruthenium. The can the fusing hydrogen be ejected in this way? Probably not. On Sun, 1 Sep 2013 15:02:01 -0400, Axil Axil wrote: The tendency for Helium production in LENR transmutation could well be the result of the inherent nature of the nucleus to be constructed out of alpha particle clusters. The alpha particle cluster model is one of the enduring concepts that run through all the various theories of nuclear structure. As background, one of the original motivations behind the alpha-particle model of the nucleus in the 1930s was the fact that, among the naturally radioactive nuclei, the alpha particle was known to be one of the principal emissions. Since such radioactivity is conceptualized as the evaporation of alpha-particles from the nuclear surface, the high rate of alpha particle production suggested that alphas might exist, at least transiently, as bound systems on the nuclear surface. Quasi-fission and multi-fragmentation experiment conducted in the early 1970s inspired interest in nuclear clustering in light of experimental findings that when medium and large nuclei are bombarded with relatively high-energy particles - not merely enough to strip the nucleus of one or a few nucleons, but enough to shatter it into small fragments, there is an unexpectedly large number of alpha particles and multiples of alpha particles among the break-up fragments. Such results are strong indication that there is alpha clustering throughout the interior of all nuclei - small, medium and large (MacGregor,1976). Furthermore, experimental elements transmutation results released by DGT in their ICCF-17 paper that document a large accumulation of lithium, boron and beryllium transmutation products support the alpha cluster model of the nucleus. These light elements are just bigger chunks of nuclear alpha particle modulo fragments blasted off the nuclei of heavy elements as a result of a fission based transmutation process. The ash assay from the Rossi reactor has shown that 10% of the nickel was transmuted into iron. The Iron nucleus is just one alpha particle lighter than the nickel nucleus. Most F-P advocates deny this experimental result as damaging to the deuterium fusion genesis of helium. Low energy LENR experiments as typified by the Fleischmann and Pons experiments might be only strong enough to chip of a piece of the nuclear structure in a fission reaction thereby releasing some nuclear binding energy. It is an unsubstantiated assumption the D+D->He4 in PdD systems even exists let alone if that reaction correlates with power output in a LENR reaction. On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 1:33 AM, Peter Gluck wrote: Dear Friends, I have published now: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2013/08/for-future-of-lenr-by-abd-ul-rahman.html [2] This is actually the 3rd paper from the series:" Ideas and modes of thinking for solving the LENR problem" i.e making it to progress MY GRATITUDE TO THE AUTHOR! Abd and I know well it is not one single royal way to a successful LENR; we also are aware that if intelligence can be defined as the art of not confusing the points of view- wisdom includes the respect of other people's points of view. We both want to bring new proofs to the old saying promoted by Niels Bohr: "CONTRADICTORIA COMPLEMENTA SUNT" Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com [3] Links: -- [1] mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com [2] http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2013/08/for-future-of-lenr-by-abd-ul-rahman.html [3] http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:For the Future of LENR
The tendency for Helium production in LENR transmutation could well be the result of the inherent nature of the nucleus to be constructed out of alpha particle clusters. The alpha particle cluster model is one of the enduring concepts that run through all the various theories of nuclear structure. As background, one of the original motivations behind the alpha-particle model of the nucleus in the 1930s was the fact that, among the naturally radioactive nuclei, the alpha particle was known to be one of the principal emissions. Since such radioactivity is conceptualized as the evaporation of alpha-particles from the nuclear surface, the high rate of alpha particle production suggested that alphas might exist, at least transiently, as bound systems on the nuclear surface. Quasi-fission and multi-fragmentation experiment conducted in the early 1970s inspired interest in nuclear clustering in light of experimental findings that when medium and large nuclei are bombarded with relatively high-energy particles – not merely enough to strip the nucleus of one or a few nucleons, but enough to shatter it into small fragments, there is an unexpectedly large number of alpha particles and multiples of alpha particles among the break-up fragments. Such results are strong indication that there is alpha clustering throughout the interior of all nuclei – small, medium and large (MacGregor,1976). Furthermore, experimental elements transmutation results released by DGT in their ICCF-17 paper that document a large accumulation of lithium, boron and beryllium transmutation products support the alpha cluster model of the nucleus. These light elements are just bigger chunks of nuclear alpha particle modulo fragments blasted off the nuclei of heavy elements as a result of a fission based transmutation process. The ash assay from the Rossi reactor has shown that 10% of the nickel was transmuted into iron. The Iron nucleus is just one alpha particle lighter than the nickel nucleus. Most F-P advocates deny this experimental result as damaging to the deuterium fusion genesis of helium. Low energy LENR experiments as typified by the Fleischmann and Pons experiments might be only strong enough to chip of a piece of the nuclear structure in a fission reaction thereby releasing some nuclear binding energy. It is an unsubstantiated assumption the D+D->He4 in PdD systems even exists let alone if that reaction correlates with power output in a LENR reaction. On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 1:33 AM, Peter Gluck wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I have published now: > > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2013/08/for-future-of-lenr-by-abd-ul-rahman.html > > This is actually the 3rd paper from the series:" Ideas and modes of > thinking for solving the LENR problem" i.e making it to progress > *My gratitude to the author!* > Abd and I know well it is not one single royal way to a successful LENR; > we also are aware that if intelligence can be defined as the art of > not confusing the points of view- wisdom includes the respect of > other people's points of view. We both want to bring new proofs > to the old saying promoted by Niels Bohr: "CONTRADICTORIA COMPLEMENTA SUNT" > > Peter > > -- > Dr. Peter Gluck > Cluj, Romania > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com >
Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Shocking Story That Could Derail Attack on Syria
>From (one of the last real journalists) Glenn Greenwald today - Obama, Congress and Syria The president is celebrated for seeking a vote on his latest war even as his aides make clear it has no binding effect http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/09/01-2 An especially noteworthy extract - Secretary of State John Kerry, this morning on CNN, said this when asked whether the Congressional vote would be binding: "[Obama] has the right to do this no matter what Congress does." > ROFL! > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone > > - Reply message - > From: "Alain Sepeda" > To: "Vortex List" > Subject: [Vo]:Shocking Story That Could Derail Attack on Syria > Date: Sat, Aug 31, 2013 7:03 PM > Another vision focussed on Saudi role in that, and alredy happening > genocide against non > suni:http://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fjacqueshenry.wordpress.com%2F2013%2F08%2F31%2Fsuite-de-mon-precedent-billet%2F > > > > > > Following my previous post > > Published August 31, 2013 > > > > I was talking with my son today via Google + (our conversation was > certainly recorded and analyzed) about events in the Middle East. From > Japan, he shows a fairly objective analysis of this particular > concern.According to him, everything is played in Riyadh, the stronghold > of the Wahhabi Salafi supporters. Saudi Arabia, the most obscurantist and > reactionary country imaginable on this planet, Iran and the mullahs are > amateurs in this field, pulling the strings of the puppets in his service > in the Middle East since the Al Qaeda loyalists unleashed like packs of > rabid dogs to fight roumi wherever it is located and the Shiite equally > despised the "cross" or Zionist. Concentrate hatred spread everywhere, > including in the suburbs of major cities in Western Europe, the > petrodollars help. What happened in Egypt is indicative of what will most > likely happen in Syria if the Americans, aided by the French far for a > good cause, engage in surgical strikes against the interests of the regime > in Damascus, multicultural, Interfaith and tolerant despite what the > Western media intoxicated by the White House. Indeed, the mad god > Salafists, funded by Saudi Arabia, have killed many roumis, mostly Copts > and small Christian communities of Armenian origin and also attacked the > Shiites, the sworn enemies of Wahhabis. The heart of the Syrian civil war > fomented by Saudi Arabia is a project pipeline to bring gas from Qatar to > the Mediterranean and Western Europe via Jordan. Qatar supported the > Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, choirboys compared Salafists, Qatar was > ousted from the Egyptian scene, such as the Muslim Brotherhood and the > Egyptian army, supported by Riyadh, massacred many for otherwise > permanently deter at least temporarily to act for substantial financial > support from Riyadh, which was done after the fatal shooting of Cairo, 9 > billion, a drop of oil in Saudi Arabia. Now it is calm in Egypt, but the > Syrian Assad, Alawite-Shiite friends Mullahs in Tehran are in a critical > situation since the dead gassed the perpetrators remain unknown. In the > context I just described very schematically one wonders if the use of > Sarin is not a Salafi provocation, Chechen and other terrorists funded by > Riyadh working in Syria, killing deliberately for their successful > completion of strategic plans of Saudi Arabia, with the support of the USA > now confessed. Saudi Arabia, the country that has the most executions in > the world in relation to the population of thirty million people, where > women have no civil rights and are not allowed to drive a motor vehicle, > this country collapsing under the dollars, using slaves from the > Philippines to perform the menial tasks of daily life, wants to impose its > will in the region. And Holland, on behalf of the French who elected > President intends to support their policy. But Iran does not hear it that > way. Why Iran wants to develop nuclear weapons, just to calm Riyadh, its > king and princes of junk (not that much, they are drowning in dollars) and > its relentless political and religious police cut the hand of first thief > came and headed to light saber any gay or stone an adulterous > woman. Holland should enjoy after the wedding for all ... In short, > Holland wrong target and Russia and Iran have understood. The opening of > an international conflict in Syria would be an opportunity for Iran to do > battle once and for all with this medieval regime troublemaker East Timor > to Morocco and soon in English suburbs, French, Belgian or > German. Perhaps this is also the reason for the commitment of Holland to > Obama sides at all costs to preserve the apparent calm of the French > suburbs indoctrinated by Salafists remotely by Riyadh ... > > > > 2013/8/31 a.ashfield > > > > > > > > > > Iâm very pessimistic that the general > population will hear > the real sto
Re: [Vo]:LENR Strategic Business Assessment: Introduction
Let me add that Axil is confused about Christensen's claim. Christensen does not say that small companies use disruptive technology to challenge large ones. He says nothing about the size or political power of the challenger. Sometimes small companies take business from large ones; sometime large ones hurt small ones; and in many of the case studies he cites, all of the companies were large and well established. The point is, cold fusion is not well suited for existing large-scale energy applications, such as power company generators. It may become well suited in the future, but in the initial stages it will probably not be. Also, these applications are not as profitable and they take a long time to pay off. Axil should read Christensen, or at least my summary in chapter 7 of my book. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:LENR Strategic Business Assessment: Introduction
Axil Axil wrote: Your view of history is completely distorted. > > The first person whose home blazed with electric light was J.P. Morgan, > the man who really ran America. > As far as I know, the first person who home blazed with electric light was Thomas Edison, when his living room caught on fire during a demonstration for his investors. His wife moved the crowd into the dining room and put out the flames. The first person whose house was brightly lit by incandescent electric lights was Moses Farmer, in Boston, in 1858, 18 years before Edison began work on incandescent lighting. Those were serial, not parallel. Edison invented lights that could be wired in parallel. He solved the so-called "subdivision problem." And many other problems such as long life, metering, power generation and so on. > . The financier also owned the first business lit with incandescent bulbs > . . . > That is incorrect. Edison wired the whole lower section of the Manhattan, not just one business. He wired the New York Times and other buildings. > The moral to the Edison story: when Edison bucked the powers that be, he > was crushed. > He was not crushed. He wanted the cash to work on magnetic ore separation. Edison was "the powers that be" by that time. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Shocking Story That Could Derail Attack on Syria
2013/9/1 hohlr...@gmail.com > ROFL not so laughable. it is clear that all what is said out of syrian problem, is validated by others sources. Egypt troubles is a battle between qatari and saudi. Iran is developing bomb to avoid being exterminated by saudi (Israel is not a real target, just something for the population). Anyone interesting the the geopolitical of the zone, in Afghanistan history, in Al qaeda history knows that. the fact that saudi are funding and leading the Syrian rebellion is known since the beginning. The local rebels don't love them, but they need the funding. question is if saudi is sending foreign units (Al Qaeda), and it seems true. Russian opposition is because unlike US, russian know well the muslim world subtleties. they have problem in Chechenia with saudi funded units, and Putin is not like Hollande of the kind to submit to that terror. the genocide in process against non sunni minorities, is new claim, but is expected today or later. I even expect genocide against moderates Suni, local rebels, later like it happen with "the night of the long knifes". the fact that France is dependent on Qatari funding, but also that Saudi fight Qatari investment in muslim suburbs is known here. >From my network I know that all the muslim world is under pressure by saudi who flood them with money and salafi preachers. Syria, Iran, Qatar, Hezbollah and in a way Muslim Brotherhood, lead the opposition to Saudi. Israel is playing a preposterous game, like when it was supporting Hamas to weaken Fatah, or when it bombed Lebanon and gunned Egyptian forces. All is very complicated and the analysis grid that US population (french and UK too) uses is preposterous. From france and from people aware of muslim world geostrategy Israel behavior look absurd like LSD hallucinations. the most funny is if you talk to educated liberal in muslim world, they explain you the positive role of Iran in fighting against fundamentalism in their own country... crazy for me, but i trust my network. Saudi on the opposite are accused of trying to get control of religious authorities to develop extremist vision... >From france I feel that US have a long history to support theocratic governments, and fight secular regime (France did the opposite, no better)...Maybe is it exaggerated. Anyway whatever happen, I don't see how this will not finish in a genocide and in reduction of freedom in all the muslim world, including France suburbs. I just hope that LENR will ruin the Saudi, so they stop flooding extremist with petro-dollars. It will be too late for Syria.
Re: [Vo]:For the Future of LENR
There is an insurmountable conceptual divide that will make it impossible for the DOE to except LENR. A nuclear physicist will never believe that you can do nuclear physics without neutrons. Nuclear physicists have spent their whole lives learning how matter can only be manipulated through the application of neutrons to matter. Neutrons for of nuclear physicist are like what paint is for a painter, he cannot do anything in his field without using neutrons. This need to hold on to the current paradigm in nuclear physics is why the Widom-Larsen theory still holds on to the concept that those high energy electrons will somehow produce neutrons, an absolute requirement for nuclear physics to occur. This need of neutrons is why LENR holds on tightly to the requirement for deuterium and palladium because nuclear reactions must use neutrons that are carried in deuterium. You cannot propose an avenue of research that counters the hegemony of the neutron at the DOE, such is just too much to ask for the high priests of the Bomb to accept. Even Lomax is tainted by the neutron addiction when he proposes accurate measurement of the heat/helium ratio. We must somehow convince the world that brute electromagnetic force can disrupt and reorganize the heart of matter, and that neutrons need not be involved in the LENR reaction. In this rejection of the current neutron paradigm is where the nub of the question lies. When you commit yourself and throw your hat over the fence, you are going against 100 years of nuclear physics. That is a lot to ask from anyone and yet it must be done to give birth to a new era of science. On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 1:33 AM, Peter Gluck wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I have published now: > > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2013/08/for-future-of-lenr-by-abd-ul-rahman.html > > This is actually the 3rd paper from the series:" Ideas and modes of > thinking for solving the LENR problem" i.e making it to progress > *My gratitude to the author!* > Abd and I know well it is not one single royal way to a successful LENR; > we also are aware that if intelligence can be defined as the art of > not confusing the points of view- wisdom includes the respect of > other people's points of view. We both want to bring new proofs > to the old saying promoted by Niels Bohr: "CONTRADICTORIA COMPLEMENTA SUNT" > > Peter > > -- > Dr. Peter Gluck > Cluj, Romania > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com >
