Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%
I've worked with Gambling Industry people. It has never ended well. Hopefully it's not the case with Rossi. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.comwrote: Hello Blazoe, I did not understand all you said. I do believe we have similar opinions. Hower, I believe you have the partners yo deserve. If gaming industry are interested then you know the chances are better than 60 to 70 %. Now, identify other people more seriious which can benefit from LENR. No, not governm0ent or institutions, they are only betting when they have 120% 100 as return on the paper and 20 in thepocket. Best Lennart Thornros On Jan 6, 2014 6:33 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Fair points. Note that I am more mostly referring to Rossi and that LENR+ is currently available in some secret lab somewhere. It's worth noting that much like most people here I generally believe in LENR itself and I am fairly optimistic that LENR+ might be possible at some point, even if in the distant future (60-70%). For example, perhaps it will require a much more fine grained control over particles and understanding of quantum tunneling to overcome the coulomb barrier. Or something. This is all intuition/speculation of course. As for my estimates: I like STM as they're by far and away the most credible institution that has gotten involved in LENR in a serious way. It's one thing for random individuals to do things, but it's another for groups of people / managers / public shareholder money to get thrown at this. The ARPA-E wasn't a big deal for me. It was one tiny box in a multitude of boxes. If ARPA-E is a big deal, than LENR has bigger problems as I've been working on the assumption that ARPA is just hostile to the whole movement from reasons other than scientific. I don't see Duncan as a big deal, more of a failure from an individual point of view. He bailed on LENR and the big donation, that really speaks more about him than LENR itself. Maybe he did it for his wife. Who knows. I was sad to see it though. Cravens is great. He helps show that LENR is real. Toyota and friends did some great stuff there as well. The Chinese thing is interesting and it was my biggest source of excitement. But then I just read that Rossi has staffed his biz with ex-gambling industry people. Yikes. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:15 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: From: Blaze Spinnaker This is based on * STMicro patent (Increased about 4.5%) * Cherokee Investments (Increased about 2.5%) * Rossi stating third party reports in March (increased 2%) * Lack of news from Defkalion (-1%) News seems to be coming in fairly rapidly at this point. Could be updating this probability more frequently. If so, then the ARPA-E inclusion of LENR for funding should add something positive, and the Defkalion departure from Canada should detract. Why give so much comparative credence to the STM patent application? First off, it was not a very good application in my estimation, and could be net neutral. Cravens patent stuff is more meaningful and important. The main plus is that a major company went to the trouble to file something. Robert Duncan moving from Missouri to Texas AM could go either way, no? The Chinese connection could be assessed much higher.
Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%
Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see Duncan as a big deal, more of a failure from an individual point of view. He bailed on LENR and the big donation, that really speaks more about him than LENR itself. No, he did not. That is not what he says. He hopes to launch another cold fusion project at Texas Tech. If this is the kind of information you are using in your estimate, then your estimate is meaningless. It is not accurate to 0.5%, or 5%, or even 50%. You might as well flip a coin. You are guessing, and putting numbers on your guesses. - Jed
[Vo]:Computer Project
I have read the file several more times and I believe that all of the errors are out. The cover is nice. I have released rev 0. http://www.amazon.com/COMPUTER-PROJECT-Znidarsic-Science-Books-ebook/dp/B00HQ79JPC/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-textie=UTF8qid=1389107308sr=1-1keywords=computer+project Frank Z
Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%
Anyways. I have a long history of success in predicting future events on Intrade, as well as a methodology that has worked out well. It's not particularly difficult, it's just that few people bother to try. I'm pretty sure if more people here (especially those who are reality based versus faith based) made a focused attempt they could come up with better and more accurate probabilities than I. However, until they do, I'm all you got it looks like. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:21 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: This is based on - STMicro patent (Increased about 4.5%) - Cherokee Investments (Increased about 2.5%) - Rossi stating third party reports in March (increased 2%) - Lack of news from Defkalion (-1%) News seems to be coming in fairly rapidly at this point. Could be updating this probability more frequently.
Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%
He hopes to launch another cold fusion project at Texas Tech. That and 25 cents will probably get you an apple from the grocery store. On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 6:48 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see Duncan as a big deal, more of a failure from an individual point of view. He bailed on LENR and the big donation, that really speaks more about him than LENR itself. No, he did not. That is not what he says. He hopes to launch another cold fusion project at Texas Tech. If this is the kind of information you are using in your estimate, then your estimate is meaningless. It is not accurate to 0.5%, or 5%, or even 50%. You might as well flip a coin. You are guessing, and putting numbers on your guesses. - Jed
[Vo]:look how many I have now
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_gnr_aps?rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Afrank+znidarsickeywords=frank+znidarsicie=UTF8qid=1389109100 Frank Znidarsic
Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%
What does real mean? Does it mean LENR is physically possible, does it mean Rossi will commercialize LENR, does it mean DGT will commercialize LENR...I could go on with another 100 variations of what does it mean?. If the event that the odds are meant to describe is not defined in detail to the last scintilla, then the odds are meaningless. On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: Anyways. I have a long history of success in predicting future events on Intrade, as well as a methodology that has worked out well. It's not particularly difficult, it's just that few people bother to try. I'm pretty sure if more people here (especially those who are reality based versus faith based) made a focused attempt they could come up with better and more accurate probabilities than I. However, until they do, I'm all you got it looks like. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:21 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: This is based on - STMicro patent (Increased about 4.5%) - Cherokee Investments (Increased about 2.5%) - Rossi stating third party reports in March (increased 2%) - Lack of news from Defkalion (-1%) News seems to be coming in fairly rapidly at this point. Could be updating this probability more frequently.
[Vo]:China, Cherokee, Industrial Heat and Andrea Rossi
http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/blog/2014/01/is-raleighs-cherokee-trying-to-cut-an.html Jan 7, 2014, 8:50am EST Is Raleigh's Cherokee trying to cut an energy deal in China? Amanda Jones Hoyle Staff Writer - Triangle Business Journal Executives at Cherokee Investment Partners in Raleigh have so far been quiet about what they are doing with a new entity that raised $11.6 million last fall called Industrial Heat LLC. But there’s at least one theory circulating among the energy production market that Industrial Heat is one of the backers behind a new energy catalyzer device being developed by inventor Andrea Rossi. Rossi, in turn, has has been pitching the thermal heat energy technology to Chinese officials with help from Cherokee, according to the blog site E-Cat World. Cherokee CEO Tom Darden says that due to “strict confidentiality requirements,” he can’t address any of the specific technologies that Industrial Heat is supporting. “But the company has investigated or supported several,” he says. “I am sure it will be a while before there are any results.” Darden says none of the entities referenced in the E-Cat World blogs have invested in Industrial Heat. “Nor does Industrial Heat have any Chinese investors,” he says. When Industrial Heat reported to the U.S Securities and Exchange Commission in August that it had raised $11.6 million of a proposed $20 million round of financing, it noted that 14 investors had provided funding so far. Darden and Cherokee senior analyst J.T. Vaughnwere listed as managers of the fund. Vaughn also spearheads the Cherokee-McDonough Challenge that through Cherokee and its advisory group helps support and fund startup environmental companies. Darden says that on a recent trip to China, Industrial Heat was one of the topics he discussed with Chinese officials, “but my main focus was to encourage them to bring new environmental technologies to China from some of the Challenge companies.” http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/blog/2014/01/is-raleighs-cherokee-trying-to-cut-an.html
RE: [Vo]:China, Cherokee, Industrial Heat and Andrea Rossi
I think the name is a dead give-away... The savvy biz-types working with Rossi only licensed the E-Cat/Hot-Cat for **industrial** use, and what better name for the licensee but, INDUSTRIAL HEAT! -mark iverson On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 8:52 AM, H Veeder wrote: http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/blog/2014/01/is-raleighs-cherokee-trying-to-cut-an.html http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/blog/2014/01/is-raleighs-cherokee-trying-to-cut-an.html Jan 7, 2014, 8:50am EST Is Raleigh's Cherokee trying to cut an energy deal in China? Amanda Jones Hoyle Staff Writer - Triangle Business Journal Executives at Cherokee Investment Partners in Raleigh have so far been quiet about what they are doing with a new entity that raised $11.6 million last fall called Industrial Heat LLC. But there’s at least one theory circulating among the energy production market that Industrial Heat is one of the backers behind a new energy catalyzer device being developed by inventor Andrea Rossi. Rossi, in turn, has has been pitching the thermal heat energy technology to Chinese officials with help from Cherokee, according to the blog site E-Cat World. Cherokee CEO Tom Darden says that due to “strict confidentiality requirements,” he can’t address any of the specific technologies that Industrial Heat is supporting. “But the company has investigated or supported several,” he says. “I am sure it will be a while before there are any results.” Darden says none of the entities referenced in the E-Cat World blogs have invested in Industrial Heat. “Nor does Industrial Heat have any Chinese investors,” he says. When Industrial Heat reported to the U.S Securities and Exchange Commission in August that it had raised $11.6 million of a proposed $20 million round of financing, it noted that 14 investors had provided funding so far. Darden and Cherokee senior analyst J.T. Vaughnwere listed as managers of the fund. Vaughn also spearheads the Cherokee-McDonough Challenge that through Cherokee and its advisory group helps support and fund startup environmental companies. Darden says that on a recent trip to China, Industrial Heat was one of the topics he discussed with Chinese officials, “but my main focus was to encourage them to bring new environmental technologies to China from some of the Challenge companies.” http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/blog/2014/01/is-raleighs-cherokee-trying-to-cut-an.html http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/blog/2014/01/is-raleighs-cherokee-trying-to-cut-an.html http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/blog/2014/01/is-raleighs-cherokee-trying-to-cut-an.html
Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%
Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: He hopes to launch another cold fusion project at Texas Tech. That and 25 cents will probably get you an apple from the grocery store. You have made a speculative guess about Duncan's mindset. You say he has bailed on cold fusion. I am sure you have not spoken with him, because he would have told you that is not true. I have spoken with him. To summarize, you are saying that your speculative guess about what he is thinking is more reliable than his own assertion about what he is thinking. Why? Can you read people's minds? Do you have ESP? Do you have some reason to think he is lying? However, until they do, I'm all you got it looks like. If that looks good I would hate to see your idea of a wild guess. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:AXIL's Efitorial
US may catch up China in the LENR race but then outscore the production to China and after some time sell of the technology to them. Torulf On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 23:14:13 -0500, Axil Axil wrote: _THAT WILL BE THEIR PROBLEM. IT WILL NOT STOP THE PEOPLE WHO BUILD FACTORIES._ Spoken like an insensitive plutocrat that these words reveal you to be. But this is how it is all over the world today and the advent of LENR will unfortunately not affect this attitude in the least. Like you, a great princess once said LET THEM EAT CAKE. Many of her class who shared this same attitude eventually lost their heads as a consequence; but now again in this modern age; LENR may be a new force, a catalyst, and an amplifier for great social change.
Re: [Vo]:AXIL's Efitorial
Torulf, I think you are philosophizing about an issue that has no relevance. Some politician might agree with you. However, who is going to manufacture, sell and distribute LENR reactors is not decided one iota from the fact that a functional LENR reactor is engineered here or there. Neither does it matter from an economical point of view where the theory is verified. I understand that it would be beneficial in some ways if people who understand the theory was not moved to the back office as the products are implemented. (the scientific acknowledgement would still be there). My two cents to that discussion is to suggest to you guys who have the theoretical knowledge and ideas to make liaisons with entrepreneurs and capital sources that easily will see the benefit. The low hanging fruit. I am not saying that is a must. Just striving for the science acknowledgement might be just as good. Axil, your say that LENR may be a new force, a catalyst, and an amplifier for great social change. is always the visionaries point of view. My experience tells me to be much more cynical. Every politician in the world will have promoted LENR and therefore should be renumerated and given impact on the implementation. Lobby . . . . I hope you are right and I am wrong. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:45 AM, torulf.gr...@bredband.net wrote: US may catch up China in the LENR race but then outscore the production to China and after some time sell of the technology to them. Torulf On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 23:14:13 -0500, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: *That will be their problem. It will not stop the people who build factories.* Spoken like an insensitive plutocrat that these words reveal you to be. But this is how it is all over the world today and the advent of LENR will unfortunately not affect this attitude in the least. Like you, a great princess once said *Let them eat cake*”. Many of her class who shared this same attitude eventually lost their heads as a consequence; but now again in this modern age; LENR may be a new force, a catalyst, and an amplifier for great social change.
Re: [Vo]:AXIL's Efitorial
If the past is prolog... http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/business/apple-america-and-a-squeezed-middle-class.html Apple executives say that going overseas, at this point, is their only option. One former executive described how the company relied upon a Chinese factory to revamp iPhonehttp://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/i/iphone/index.html?inline=nyt-classifiermanufacturing just weeks before the device was due on shelves. Apple had redesigned the iPhone’s screen at the last minute, forcing an assembly line overhaul. New screens began arriving at the plant near midnight. A foreman immediately roused 8,000 workers inside the company’s dormitories, according to the executive. Each employee was given a biscuit and a cup of tea, guided to a workstation and within half an hour started a 12-hour shift fitting glass screens into beveled frames. Within 96 hours, the plant was producing over 10,000 iPhones a day. “The speed and flexibility is breathtaking,” the executive said. “There’s no American plant that can match that.” But as Steven P. Jobshttp://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/j/steven_p_jobs/index.html?inline=nyt-perof Applehttp://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/apple_computer_inc/index.html?inline=nyt-orgspoke, President Obamahttp://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/o/barack_obama/index.html?inline=nyt-perinterrupted with an inquiry of his own: what would it take to make iPhones in the United States? Why can’t that work come home? Mr. Obama asked. Mr. Jobs’s reply was unambiguous. “Those jobs aren’t coming back,” On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 2:45 PM, torulf.gr...@bredband.net wrote: US may catch up China in the LENR race but then outscore the production to China and after some time sell of the technology to them. Torulf On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 23:14:13 -0500, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: *That will be their problem. It will not stop the people who build factories.* Spoken like an insensitive plutocrat that these words reveal you to be. But this is how it is all over the world today and the advent of LENR will unfortunately not affect this attitude in the least. Like you, a great princess once said *Let them eat cake*”. Many of her class who shared this same attitude eventually lost their heads as a consequence; but now again in this modern age; LENR may be a new force, a catalyst, and an amplifier for great social change.
Re: [Vo]:AXIL's Efitorial
My experience tells me to be much more cynical. I agree, Great social change does not need to be good. On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.comwrote: Torulf, I think you are philosophizing about an issue that has no relevance. Some politician might agree with you. However, who is going to manufacture, sell and distribute LENR reactors is not decided one iota from the fact that a functional LENR reactor is engineered here or there. Neither does it matter from an economical point of view where the theory is verified. I understand that it would be beneficial in some ways if people who understand the theory was not moved to the back office as the products are implemented. (the scientific acknowledgement would still be there). My two cents to that discussion is to suggest to you guys who have the theoretical knowledge and ideas to make liaisons with entrepreneurs and capital sources that easily will see the benefit. The low hanging fruit. I am not saying that is a must. Just striving for the science acknowledgement might be just as good. Axil, your say that LENR may be a new force, a catalyst, and an amplifier for great social change. is always the visionaries point of view. My experience tells me to be much more cynical. Every politician in the world will have promoted LENR and therefore should be renumerated and given impact on the implementation. Lobby . . . . I hope you are right and I am wrong. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:45 AM, torulf.gr...@bredband.net wrote: US may catch up China in the LENR race but then outscore the production to China and after some time sell of the technology to them. Torulf On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 23:14:13 -0500, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: *That will be their problem. It will not stop the people who build factories.* Spoken like an insensitive plutocrat that these words reveal you to be. But this is how it is all over the world today and the advent of LENR will unfortunately not affect this attitude in the least. Like you, a great princess once said *Let them eat cake*”. Many of her class who shared this same attitude eventually lost their heads as a consequence; but now again in this modern age; LENR may be a new force, a catalyst, and an amplifier for great social change.
Re: [Vo]:AXIL's Efitorial
Yes, Axil this is reality and we just need to stop focusing about what is gone. That does not mean to build companies to provide jobs. Jobs must be the logical consequences of providing good attractive products. We need to understand that in most places the population are happy for much less than what we want. I think we need to accept that as part of the evolution and let the near future improvement benefit the not so well off.If we let them they will quickly be at our demand level. China for example has made enormous improvement in living standard (I am eyewitness to that). That is not because the government wanted that. No, much more important is the internet for example. You can not suppress people with old myth theological or political when they are constant bombarded with information about the opposite. I thought that the biggest problem was to support and give a good standard of living to the for ever increasing population on this planet. LENR might be a very good answer to that. Keep it away from the politicians and get the entrepreneurs on board. BTW LENR will make jobs in the US too. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: If the past is prolog... http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/business/apple-america-and-a-squeezed-middle-class.html Apple executives say that going overseas, at this point, is their only option. One former executive described how the company relied upon a Chinese factory to revamp iPhonehttp://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/i/iphone/index.html?inline=nyt-classifiermanufacturing just weeks before the device was due on shelves. Apple had redesigned the iPhone’s screen at the last minute, forcing an assembly line overhaul. New screens began arriving at the plant near midnight. A foreman immediately roused 8,000 workers inside the company’s dormitories, according to the executive. Each employee was given a biscuit and a cup of tea, guided to a workstation and within half an hour started a 12-hour shift fitting glass screens into beveled frames. Within 96 hours, the plant was producing over 10,000 iPhones a day. “The speed and flexibility is breathtaking,” the executive said. “There’s no American plant that can match that.” But as Steven P. Jobshttp://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/j/steven_p_jobs/index.html?inline=nyt-perof Applehttp://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/apple_computer_inc/index.html?inline=nyt-orgspoke, President Obamahttp://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/o/barack_obama/index.html?inline=nyt-perinterrupted with an inquiry of his own: what would it take to make iPhones in the United States? Why can’t that work come home? Mr. Obama asked. Mr. Jobs’s reply was unambiguous. “Those jobs aren’t coming back,” On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 2:45 PM, torulf.gr...@bredband.net wrote: US may catch up China in the LENR race but then outscore the production to China and after some time sell of the technology to them. Torulf On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 23:14:13 -0500, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: *That will be their problem. It will not stop the people who build factories.* Spoken like an insensitive plutocrat that these words reveal you to be. But this is how it is all over the world today and the advent of LENR will unfortunately not affect this attitude in the least. Like you, a great princess once said *Let them eat cake*”. Many of her class who shared this same attitude eventually lost their heads as a consequence; but now again in this modern age; LENR may be a new force, a catalyst, and an amplifier for great social change.
Re: [Vo]:AXIL's Efitorial
Learning to live in this universe is a hard thing. With new knowledge comes new challenges. At the dawn of the atomic age, the men who gave it birth saw the new challenge. When you see something that is technically sweet, you go ahead and do it and argue about what to do about it only after you've had your technical success. But when you come right down to it the reason that we did this job is because it was an organic necessity. If you are a scientist you cannot stop such a thing. If you are a scientist you believe that it is good to find out how the world works; that it is good to find out what the realities are; that it is good to turn over to mankind at large the greatest possible power to control the world and to deal with it according to its lights and its values. We knew the world would not be the same. Few people laughed, few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds. I suppose we all thought that, one way or another. Robert Oppenheimer On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.comwrote: Yes, Axil this is reality and we just need to stop focusing about what is gone. That does not mean to build companies to provide jobs. Jobs must be the logical consequences of providing good attractive products. We need to understand that in most places the population are happy for much less than what we want. I think we need to accept that as part of the evolution and let the near future improvement benefit the not so well off.If we let them they will quickly be at our demand level. China for example has made enormous improvement in living standard (I am eyewitness to that). That is not because the government wanted that. No, much more important is the internet for example. You can not suppress people with old myth theological or political when they are constant bombarded with information about the opposite. I thought that the biggest problem was to support and give a good standard of living to the for ever increasing population on this planet. LENR might be a very good answer to that. Keep it away from the politicians and get the entrepreneurs on board. BTW LENR will make jobs in the US too. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: If the past is prolog... http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/business/apple-america-and-a-squeezed-middle-class.html Apple executives say that going overseas, at this point, is their only option. One former executive described how the company relied upon a Chinese factory to revamp iPhonehttp://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/i/iphone/index.html?inline=nyt-classifiermanufacturing just weeks before the device was due on shelves. Apple had redesigned the iPhone’s screen at the last minute, forcing an assembly line overhaul. New screens began arriving at the plant near midnight. A foreman immediately roused 8,000 workers inside the company’s dormitories, according to the executive. Each employee was given a biscuit and a cup of tea, guided to a workstation and within half an hour started a 12-hour shift fitting glass screens into beveled frames. Within 96 hours, the plant was producing over 10,000 iPhones a day. “The speed and flexibility is breathtaking,” the executive said. “There’s no American plant that can match that.” But as Steven P. Jobshttp://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/j/steven_p_jobs/index.html?inline=nyt-perof Applehttp://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/apple_computer_inc/index.html?inline=nyt-orgspoke, President Obamahttp://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/o/barack_obama/index.html?inline=nyt-perinterrupted with an inquiry of his own: what would it take to make iPhones in the United States? Why can’t that work come home? Mr. Obama asked. Mr. Jobs’s reply was unambiguous. “Those jobs aren’t coming back,” On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 2:45 PM, torulf.gr...@bredband.net wrote: US may catch up China in the LENR race but then outscore the production to China and after some time sell of the technology to them. Torulf On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 23:14:13 -0500, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: *That will be their problem. It will not stop the people who build factories.* Spoken like an insensitive plutocrat that these words reveal you to be. But this is how it is all over the world today and the advent of LENR will unfortunately not affect this
Re: [Vo]:PESN reports on Rossi and other LENR news
2014/1/7 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com The author contacted some scientists working in the ‘hot’ fusion fields who stated that Andrea Rossi could not possibly be achieving nuclear fusion within his system based on the currently understood laws of physics. One scientist stated that what Rossi does belongs in the category of charlatanism. Beaudette bash that argument showing how unscientific it is. he sais nearly all but 4, critics of Fleischmann were pure theory-based, with no critic on the experiment. the problem is that that pathological reasoning is deeply entrenched in pretended-scientists minds, in most educated people minds (less for some non-academic technical professions like engineer, chemist, industry scientists) - an experiment violate known theory (in fact no, just their way to use it) - so it is an artifact - if not possible to be an artifact, it is a fraud you can translate as: - no way to refute theory thus those scientists are not scientific, they are dogmatic Huizenga wrote it nearly that way. so shocking they cannot see they are simply violating scientific method, blatantly... colorblind in a sea of ref flag
Re: [Vo]:AXIL's Efitorial
2014/1/7 Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com Axil, your say that LENR may be a new force, a catalyst, and an amplifier for great social change. is always the visionaries point of view. My experience tells me to be much more cynical. *Every politician in the world will have promoted LENR and therefore should be renumerated and given impact on the implementation. Lobby * . . . . I hope you are right and I am wrong. If some people ask themselves what they can do about LENR transition, I have an answer. We have to get a foot in politic to avoid the old parrty to protect the old lobbies... a beloved politic expert told me that if you want the things to change, you have to influence politic, by lobbying (moaning in public, mail, party, NGO)... the best way could be to get internal contact with even lower level activists in a newly created party in each country/state. get contact with one or two activist... talk of the hope, the influence they could get, the need of good regulation to allo LENR at home (like allowing LENR at home, proposing reinsurance of the govt for blackswan, no subsidies but reorganization of education, or public research...)... some will contact the news free-market party where there was none before.. some will contact the local statist party where there was not before... some wil contact the pirate party, where it is new... some wil contact the religious, or the secular party where it is newcommer... some will contact the green if they are new... some will contact the farme party, or an imigrant community party... try to enter the radar of the newcommers... not only they may hear you, but the old party will hear you there too, and wll take you mere seriously if you are in a challenger party, than if you were begging support
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Alain, I think you are a bigger optimist than I am. Wouldn't that be something a LENR party in each country (China??) Well. I think if we can find the low-hanging fruit. The entrepreneurs and investors, which are easy to convince about LENR. I think you find them among small strong entities. I do not discourage your ambitions but it is hard to make changes. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: 2014/1/7 Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com Axil, your say that LENR may be a new force, a catalyst, and an amplifier for great social change. is always the visionaries point of view. My experience tells me to be much more cynical. *Every politician in the world will have promoted LENR and therefore should be renumerated and given impact on the implementation. Lobby * . . . . I hope you are right and I am wrong. If some people ask themselves what they can do about LENR transition, I have an answer. We have to get a foot in politic to avoid the old parrty to protect the old lobbies... a beloved politic expert told me that if you want the things to change, you have to influence politic, by lobbying (moaning in public, mail, party, NGO)... the best way could be to get internal contact with even lower level activists in a newly created party in each country/state. get contact with one or two activist... talk of the hope, the influence they could get, the need of good regulation to allo LENR at home (like allowing LENR at home, proposing reinsurance of the govt for blackswan, no subsidies but reorganization of education, or public research...)... some will contact the news free-market party where there was none before.. some will contact the local statist party where there was not before... some wil contact the pirate party, where it is new... some wil contact the religious, or the secular party where it is newcommer... some will contact the green if they are new... some will contact the farme party, or an imigrant community party... try to enter the radar of the newcommers... not only they may hear you, but the old party will hear you there too, and wll take you mere seriously if you are in a challenger party, than if you were begging support
Re: [Vo]:PESN reports on Rossi and other LENR news
The only crime against science worse than arguing against experimental results with theory is falsification of experimental results. That's why these scientists use their chain of logic to arrive at fraud. On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: 2014/1/7 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com The author contacted some scientists working in the ‘hot’ fusion fields who stated that Andrea Rossi could not possibly be achieving nuclear fusion within his system based on the currently understood laws of physics. One scientist stated that what Rossi does belongs in the category of charlatanism. Beaudette bash that argument showing how unscientific it is. he sais nearly all but 4, critics of Fleischmann were pure theory-based, with no critic on the experiment. the problem is that that pathological reasoning is deeply entrenched in pretended-scientists minds, in most educated people minds (less for some non-academic technical professions like engineer, chemist, industry scientists) - an experiment violate known theory (in fact no, just their way to use it) - so it is an artifact - if not possible to be an artifact, it is a fraud you can translate as: - no way to refute theory thus those scientists are not scientific, they are dogmatic Huizenga wrote it nearly that way. so shocking they cannot see they are simply violating scientific method, blatantly... colorblind in a sea of ref flag
Re: [Vo]:AXIL's Efitorial
I was assuming that LENR will be mainstream soon... I will tulble soon, but like an eartquake, with few alarms There are some lower political activist, journalists who privately are ready to lobby their hierarchy, if well prepared. Advice from pro of politic is to get contact with activist before the wave start... it will be panic, unless we prepare the mind to chooses us, and to do what we planned. my few demand to politciians: - no regulation against lenr at home (when certified in industry) - help to protect insurance company from unexpected LENR risk (reinsurance by state), to avoid frightening insurance cost - regulation to make home LENR reasonably safe, to avoid accident: mandatory maintenance like gas boilers - regulation to make incident identified, and problems corrected, to increase safety and increase trust, and reduce the chance of tail risk on many reactor... or to stop all if it is finally unreasonable (blackswan risk identified in few home). - laisser faire for the rest, especially research (no need of subsibies, since lenr makes money) 2014/1/8 Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com Alain, I think you are a bigger optimist than I am. Wouldn't that be something a LENR party in each country (China??) Well. I think if we can find the low-hanging fruit. The entrepreneurs and investors, which are easy to convince about LENR. I think you find them among small strong entities. I do not discourage your ambitions but it is hard to make changes. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: 2014/1/7 Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com Axil, your say that LENR may be a new force, a catalyst, and an amplifier for great social change. is always the visionaries point of view. My experience tells me to be much more cynical. *Every politician in the world will have promoted LENR and therefore should be renumerated and given impact on the implementation. Lobby * . . . . I hope you are right and I am wrong. If some people ask themselves what they can do about LENR transition, I have an answer. We have to get a foot in politic to avoid the old parrty to protect the old lobbies... a beloved politic expert told me that if you want the things to change, you have to influence politic, by lobbying (moaning in public, mail, party, NGO)... the best way could be to get internal contact with even lower level activists in a newly created party in each country/state. get contact with one or two activist... talk of the hope, the influence they could get, the need of good regulation to allo LENR at home (like allowing LENR at home, proposing reinsurance of the govt for blackswan, no subsidies but reorganization of education, or public research...)... some will contact the news free-market party where there was none before.. some will contact the local statist party where there was not before... some wil contact the pirate party, where it is new... some wil contact the religious, or the secular party where it is newcommer... some will contact the green if they are new... some will contact the farme party, or an imigrant community party... try to enter the radar of the newcommers... not only they may hear you, but the old party will hear you there too, and wll take you mere seriously if you are in a challenger party, than if you were begging support
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Well said. From: James Bowery The only crime against science worse than arguing against experimental results with theory is falsification of experimental results. That's why these scientists use their chain of logic to arrive at fraud.
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Sounds like something Eugene Mallove might have said. On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Well said… *From:* James Bowery The only crime against science worse than arguing against experimental results with theory is falsification of experimental results. That's why these scientists use their chain of logic to arrive at fraud.
[Vo]:Prevented Mortality and Greenhouse Gas Emissions from Historical and Projected Nuclear Power
Prevented Mortality and Greenhouse Gas Emissions from Historical and Projected Nuclear Power abstract In the aftermath of the March 2011 accident at Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, the future contribution of nuclear power to the global energy supply has become somewhat uncertain. Because nuclear power is an abundant, low-carbon source of base-load power, it could make a large contribution to mitigation of global climate change and air pollution. Using historical production data, we calculate that global nuclear power has prevented an average of 1.84 million air pollution-related deaths and 64 gigatonnes of CO2-equivalent (GtCO2-eq) greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions that would have resulted from fossil fuel burning. On the basis of global projection data that take into account the effects of the Fukushima accident, we find that nuclear power could additionally prevent an average of 420 000–7.04 million deaths and 80–240 GtCO2-eq emissions due to fossil fuels by midcentury, depending on which fuel it replaces. By contrast, we assess that large-scale expansion of unconstrained natural gas use would not mitigate the climate problem and would cause far more deaths than expansion of nuclear power. http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es3051197?source=cen no registration or subscription required to view the full paper Harry
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-- Forwarded message -- From: Mark M (Giese) m...@att.net Date: Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 6:02 PM Subject: [sethmessageboard] ten core beliefs that most scientists take for granted [1 attachment] To: sethmessagebo...@yahoogroups.com sethmessagebo...@yahoogroups.com, sethworks...@yahoogroups.com sethworks...@yahoogroups.com, realityt...@yahoogroups.com, seth_practicing_ideali...@yahoogroups.com Ask Deepak https://www.deepakchopra.com/blog/category/15/ask_deepak Video Bloghttps://www.deepakchopra.com/video/category/14/ask_deepak_videos [image: Rupert Sheldrake] August 27 2013 Rupert Sheldrake Ph.D Category: Guest Bloggershttps://www.deepakchopra.com/blog/category/5/guest_bloggers Biography https://www.deepakchopra.com/blog/view/1267/_the_scientific_creed_and_the_credibility_crunch_for_materialism# The Scientific Creed and the Credibility Crunch for Materialism by *Rupert Sheldrake*, Ph.D; biologist and author of Science Set Freehttp://www.deepakchopra.com/book/view/927 The “scientific worldview” is immensely influential because the sciences have been so successful. No one can fail to be awed by their achievements, which touch all our lives through technologies and through modern medicine. Our intellectual world has been transformed through an immense expansion of our knowledge, down into the most microscopic particles of matter and out into the vastness of space, with hundreds of billions of galaxies in an ever-expanding universe. Yet in the second decade of the twenty-first century, when science and technology seem to be at the peak of the power, when their influence has spread all over the world and when their triumph seems indisputable, unexpected problems are disrupting the sciences from within. Most scientists take it for granted that these problems will eventually be solved by more research along established lines, but some, including myself, think that they are symptoms of a deeper malaise. Science is being held back by centuries-old assumptions that have hardened into dogmas. The sciences would be better off without them: freer, more interesting, and more fun. The biggest scientific delusion of all is that science already knows the answers. The details still need working out, but the fundamental questions are settled, in principle. Contemporary science is based on the claim that all reality is material or physical. There is no reality but material reality. Consciousness is a by-product of the physical activity of the brain. Matter is unconscious. Evolution is purposeless. God exists only as an idea in human minds, and hence in human heads. These beliefs are powerful not because most scientists think about them critically, but because they don’t. The facts of science are real enough, and so are the techniques that scientists use, and so are the technologies based on them. But the belief system that governs conventional scientific thinking is an act of faith, grounded in a nineteenth century ideology. *The scientific creed * Here are the ten core beliefs that most scientists take for granted. 1. Everything is essentially mechanical. Dogs, for example, are complex mechanisms, rather than living organisms with goals of their own. Even people are machines, “lumbering robots”, in Richard Dawkins’ vivid phrase, with brains that are like genetically programmed computers. 2. All matter is unconscious. It has no inner life or subjectivity or point of view. Even human consciousness is an illusion produced by the material activities of brains. 3. The total amount of matter and energy is always the same (with the exception of the Big Bang, when all the matter and energy of the universe suddenly appeared). 4. The laws of nature are fixed. They are the same today as they were at the beginning, and they will stay the same forever. 5. Nature is purposeless, and evolution has no goal or direction. 6. All biological inheritance is material, carried in the genetic material, DNA, and in other material structures. 7. Minds are inside heads and are nothing but the activities of brains. When you look at a tree, the image of the tree you are seeing is not “out there”, where it seems to be, but inside your brain. 8. Memories are stored as material traces in brains and are wiped out at death. 9. Unexplained phenomena like telepathy are illusory. 10. Mechanistic medicine is the only kind that really works. Together, these beliefs make up the philosophy or ideology of materialism, whose central assumption is that everything is essentially material or physical, even minds. This belief-system became dominant within science in the late nineteenth century, and is now taken for granted. Many scientists are unaware that materialism is an assumption; they simply think of it as science, or the scientific view of reality, or the scientific worldview. They are not actually taught about it, or given a chance to discuss it. They absorb it by a kind of intellectual osmosis. In everyday usage,
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On 8/01/2014 1:03 PM, Rich Murray wrote: ... The Scientific Creed and the Credibility Crunch for Materialism by *Rupert Sheldrake*, Ph.D; biologist and author of Science Set Free http://www.deepakchopra.com/book/view/927 ... Worth taking a look at the Sheldrake interview relating to the Scole Experiment http://www.victorzammit.com/evidence/scole.htm (see near end of last youtube video on the page as well as in the main 1.5hr program). Having seen what he saw with his naked eyes, it is hardly surprising that he is no longer a fundamentalist of scientific materialism persuasion (if he ever was)!
