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On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: In the case of HHO ... I'm not convinced that there even is an HHO distinct from H2O, although I do get a guilty pleasure out of following some of the accounts of what it is supposed to be able to do. Eric
Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
as people know here, I have a tendency to follow conservative point of view... one hypothesis seems simple, and match the personality of the crew and passengers, the trajectory, the end http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/ usually I prefer situation where stupidity, ego and incompetence explains the facts... It works very well for usual politics, science, accidents... Here I have to surrender to assume professionalism and courage. if confirmed I'm so sorry for the victims. It would be so nice if they were simply hostage on a lost island. 2014-03-18 3:09 GMT+01:00 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net: Did the missing jetliner fly into an area controlled by the Taliban? Apparently there was enough fuel ... and, well ... no better explanation has surfaced. Over a week after the Boeing 777 vanished without a trace, The Independent reports that Malaysian authorities are seeking diplomatic permission to investigate a theory that the plane was flown to a Taliban stronghold ... apparently they heard that it avoided military radar by shadowing another commercial flight. http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-37 0-disappear-using-sia68-sq68 One of many conspiracy theories floating around cyberspace these days. Sing along y'all From Natchez to Mobile, from Minot to Manas ... My mama done tol' me... But to backtrack a bit - it is amazing that the Press has all but forgotten another conspiracy - that six nuclear cruise missiles left from Minot ND in 2007 and only five arrived at Barksdale AFB in La. Seems like that would have been an ongoing story over the intervening years... that a nuclear weapon was essentially lost in transit in the USA. Some conspiracy nuts have said all along that the missing nuke was sold by disgruntled Minot airmen to the highest bidder- in a home grown conspiracy (this time not involving spooks). There were many mysterious deaths of soldiers who could have been part of a putative plot stretching from N Dakota to who knows, maybe Kyrgyzstan. http://baltimorechronicle.com/2007/112107Lindorff.shtml The disappearance of the Malaysian 777 has now linked up with this incident to cause the same nutters to wonder if there is a master illuminati plan, and if the same group that purchased the Minot nuke latter arranged this mysterious disappearance. Since a cruise missile, as a terrorist weapon, could not really be used without cooperation at an impossibly high level in the Air Force, it requires another kind of vehicle to transport it into infamy, and even further than that, say ...to Tel Aviv. Get it? For instance, any nuke could be loaded onto a freshly painted 777 which looked to all the World like a real El Al passenger jet. Has an airline jet ever been shot down? Truth is stranger than fiction and in Hebrew (vav vav vav) is 666 but looks a lot like 777. Far-fetched, indeed ... but no more so than the events leading up to 9/11. BTW, one other bit of Taliban gloating was when the Kyrgyz parliament voted in favor of ending the lease agreement with the US for use of Manas air base. Maybe they found a higher paying customer ? When will this tragedy be planned to take place, you might ask? A wild guess is Land Day (Mar 30) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Day But it's damn hard to hide a 777 from the prying eye of satellites for several weeks... even at Manas air base. Matter of fact ... isn't this it? http://tinyurl.com/pz35uwb
Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: one hypothesis seems simple, and match the personality of the crew and passengers, the trajectory, the end http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/ This author says that hypothesis has to be wrong: http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/18/mh370_disappearance_chris_goodfellow_s_theory_about_a_fire_and_langkawi.html - Jed
Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
I would believe a pilot before a liberal arts magazine writer. Those guys were always out playing frisbee on the lawn at college. Jeff Wise is a New York-based magazine writer and author of *Extreme Fear: The Science of Your Mind in Danger*http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0230614396/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8camp=1789creative=390957creativeASIN=0230614396linkCode=as2tag=slatmaga-20. A contributing editor at *Popular Mechanics* and *Travel + Leisure*, he specializes in aviation, adventure, and psychology On Wednesday, March 19, 2014, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: one hypothesis seems simple, and match the personality of the crew and passengers, the trajectory, the end http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/ This author says that hypothesis has to be wrong: http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/18/mh370_disappearance_chris_goodfellow_s_theory_about_a_fire_and_langkawi.html - Jed
RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
From: Jed Rothwell This author says that hypothesis [fire] has to be wrong: http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/18/mh370_disappearance_chris _goodfellow_s_theory_about_a_fire_and_langkawi.html The latest twist on this story is that a search of the Pilot's home found a flight simulator, and the flight data that had been erased from the simulator indicated that the pilot had been training to land on Diego Garcia Island in the Indian Ocean. Here is another story on that connection, notably that this airport has hangars for B-52s (could hide a 777 from satellites) and was used to bomb areas in Afghanistan: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/03/island-of-diego-garcia-factors -into-mysterious-malaysia-flight-theories/ It get weirder and weirder since this implies that the Pilot and probably the copilot as well - took the plane to 45,000 feet with the intention of killing all of the passengers and flight crew that did not have access to oxygen in the cockpit, and then headed to Diego Garcia. It also implies US complicity - to land on a US base and avoid the News getting out. Plus the Flight 370 was seen by local fishermen flying over the Maldives, which is on the flight path to Diego Garcia. This has of course been disputed by Officials of the Maldives. http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/18/flight-mh370-residents-on-remote-island-in-mal dives-saw-jet-matching-missing-malaysia-airlines-planes-description-4640688/ Thus, if a rogue element in the CIA was behind this act somehow, it would mean that something very valuable was aboard that airplane and not a passenger, since they would have all perished, most likely. Or else, someone in the US military is out to trigger war, possibly in the Middle East. The only apparent rationale for that is that someone in the Pentagon or NSA thinks that the USA can avoid an even greater tragedy by starting a local War now, possibly between Iran and Israel. One way to do that would be to load a missing nuke aboard a repainted 777, now El Al 666, with which to eliminate Iran's nuclear weapon program, and blame Israel at the same time. Makes a good plot for the next Bond movie if nothing else.
Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
I've heard few critics by pilots ... one is that the airport is not the nearest... anyway it is the easiest. second is that getting at high altitude making yoyo is amateur... and trying to extinguish fire that way is movie plot. third is that in fire, procedure is to communicate first... fourth is the fact that Malay control received a normal good-night after turn... have to check... there are maybe some imprecisions... some explain that numerous errors as caused by pilot limited experience. you have to compare with others theories... this is not a perfect explanation, nor the only one, but it is among the less crazy, and it match the psychology of actors. 2014-03-19 15:17 GMT+01:00 ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com: I would believe a pilot before a liberal arts magazine writer. Those guys were always out playing frisbee on the lawn at college. Jeff Wise is a New York-based magazine writer and author of *Extreme Fear: The Science of Your Mind in Danger*http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0230614396/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8camp=1789creative=390957creativeASIN=0230614396linkCode=as2tag=slatmaga-20. A contributing editor at *Popular Mechanics* and *Travel + Leisure*, he specializes in aviation, adventure, and psychology On Wednesday, March 19, 2014, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: one hypothesis seems simple, and match the personality of the crew and passengers, the trajectory, the end http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/ This author says that hypothesis has to be wrong: http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/18/mh370_disappearance_chris_goodfellow_s_theory_about_a_fire_and_langkawi.html - Jed
Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
Last I heard Oxygen and fire do not mix well (for humans) On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:20 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: In one of the articles I read which was written by a pilot, and therefore given more 'believability', the pilot makes the argument that a fire started in the cockpit and the smoke rendered the flight crew unconscious and eventually dead. I guess the expert 'pilot' writing that story conveniently forgot that the flight crew have oxygen masks readily available, and I would bet that it is standard procedure to immediately put the masks on if any problem occurs, especially smoke... so much for erudite expertise. -mark *From:* Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] *Sent:* Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:39 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days? *From:* Jed Rothwell This author says that hypothesis [fire] has to be wrong: http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/18/mh370_disappearance_chris_goodfellow_s_theory_about_a_fire_and_langkawi.html The latest twist on this story is that a search of the Pilot's home found a flight simulator, and the flight data that had been erased from the simulator indicated that the pilot had been training to land on Diego Garcia Island in the Indian Ocean. Here is another story on that connection, notably that this airport has hangars for B-52s (could hide a 777 from satellites) and was used to bomb areas in Afghanistan: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/03/island-of-diego-garcia-factors-into-mysterious-malaysia-flight-theories/ It get weirder and weirder since this implies that the Pilot and probably the copilot as well - took the plane to 45,000 feet with the intention of killing all of the passengers and flight crew that did not have access to oxygen in the cockpit, and then headed to Diego Garcia. It also implies US complicity - to land on a US base and avoid the News getting out. Plus the Flight 370 was seen by local fishermen flying over the Maldives, which is on the flight path to Diego Garcia. This has of course been disputed by Officials of the Maldives. http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/18/flight-mh370-residents-on-remote-island-in-maldives-saw-jet-matching-missing-malaysia-airlines-planes-description-4640688/ Thus, if a rogue element in the CIA was behind this act somehow, it would mean that something very valuable was aboard that airplane and not a passenger, since they would have all perished, most likely. Or else, someone in the US military is out to trigger war, possibly in the Middle East. The only apparent rationale for that is that someone in the Pentagon or NSA thinks that the USA can avoid an even greater tragedy by starting a local War now, possibly between Iran and Israel. One way to do that would be to load a missing nuke aboard a repainted 777, now El Al 666, with which to eliminate Iran's nuclear weapon program, and blame Israel at the same time. Makes a good plot for the next Bond movie if nothing else...
Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
Guys, I have a theory. Consider this a tier two theory that combines two other theories... http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/03/19/ok-i-do-have-a-theory-of-what-happened/ On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:24 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Last I heard Oxygen and fire do not mix well (for humans) On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:20 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: In one of the articles I read which was written by a pilot, and therefore given more 'believability', the pilot makes the argument that a fire started in the cockpit and the smoke rendered the flight crew unconscious and eventually dead. I guess the expert 'pilot' writing that story conveniently forgot that the flight crew have oxygen masks readily available, and I would bet that it is standard procedure to immediately put the masks on if any problem occurs, especially smoke... so much for erudite expertise. -mark *From:* Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] *Sent:* Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:39 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days? *From:* Jed Rothwell This author says that hypothesis [fire] has to be wrong: http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/18/mh370_disappearance_chris_goodfellow_s_theory_about_a_fire_and_langkawi.html The latest twist on this story is that a search of the Pilot's home found a flight simulator, and the flight data that had been erased from the simulator indicated that the pilot had been training to land on Diego Garcia Island in the Indian Ocean. Here is another story on that connection, notably that this airport has hangars for B-52s (could hide a 777 from satellites) and was used to bomb areas in Afghanistan: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/03/island-of-diego-garcia-factors-into-mysterious-malaysia-flight-theories/ It get weirder and weirder since this implies that the Pilot and probably the copilot as well - took the plane to 45,000 feet with the intention of killing all of the passengers and flight crew that did not have access to oxygen in the cockpit, and then headed to Diego Garcia. It also implies US complicity - to land on a US base and avoid the News getting out. Plus the Flight 370 was seen by local fishermen flying over the Maldives, which is on the flight path to Diego Garcia. This has of course been disputed by Officials of the Maldives. http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/18/flight-mh370-residents-on-remote-island-in-maldives-saw-jet-matching-missing-malaysia-airlines-planes-description-4640688/ Thus, if a rogue element in the CIA was behind this act somehow, it would mean that something very valuable was aboard that airplane and not a passenger, since they would have all perished, most likely. Or else, someone in the US military is out to trigger war, possibly in the Middle East. The only apparent rationale for that is that someone in the Pentagon or NSA thinks that the USA can avoid an even greater tragedy by starting a local War now, possibly between Iran and Israel. One way to do that would be to load a missing nuke aboard a repainted 777, now El Al 666, with which to eliminate Iran's nuclear weapon program, and blame Israel at the same time. Makes a good plot for the next Bond movie if nothing else...
RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
One more story of interest - relates to hidden motives http://www.eutimes.net/2014/03/russia-puzzled-over-malaysia-airlines-capture -by-us-navy/ [snip] The latest twist on this story is that a search of the Pilot's home found a flight simulator, and the flight data that had been erased from the simulator indicated that the pilot had been training to land on Diego Garcia Island in the Indian Ocean. Makes a good plot for the next Bond movie if nothing else.
Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Here is another story on that connection, notably that this airport has hangars for B-52s (could hide a 777 from satellites) and was used to bomb areas in Afghanistan: Actually, there aren't: http://goo.gl/LsLjBL Lots of B52s sitting in the open, though. As this Fox report says, it's in Pakistan: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fmr-gen-doubles-down-on-claim-malaysian-plane-could-be-in-pakistan-to-be-used-for-terror/
Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
The USAF stooddown on Sept. 14, 2007 possibly to find the missing nuke. Here is a discussion: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread302187/pg1 On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 10:58 AM, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote: Jones, Where did you get the idea one warhead went missing? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_United_States_Air_Force_nuclear_weapons_incident
Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
Wow On Wednesday, March 19, 2014, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Here is another story on that connection, notably that this airport has hangars for B-52s (could hide a 777 from satellites)... Actually, there aren't: http://goo.gl/LsLjBL Lots of B52s sitting in the open, though. As this Fox report says, it's in Pakistan: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fmr-gen-doubles-down-on-claim-malaysian-plane-cou ld-be-in-pakistan-to-be-used-for-terror/ OK - The plot thickens but not all the details. Could not Air Force Gen. Thomas McInerney be a shill and actually be a part of the scheme (or a patsy)? IOW when he speculates that the missing airliner had been flown to Pakistan, to be used as a delivery vehicle for nuclear explosives by terrorists... isn't that exactly what what schemers would want the world to believe? And it could be true as of today... to wit: Consider those hangars - yes they would leave the tail section of the 777 open to view, but there is a fix for that. Any by now, the plane has been repainted refueled - and could actually be in Pakistan, just as the good General sez. IOW the stop in Diego Garcia was merely to refuel, repaint - ditch about 237 dead corpses, remove the suspicious cargo, load the Minot nuke in the Cargo bay and continue on as if it was now a PIA airplane, returning from a recent overhaul. I'm still waiting for the call from Hollywood with the screenplay advance ... g
RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Here is another story on that connection, notably that this airport has hangars for B-52s (could hide a 777 from satellites)... Actually, there aren't: http://goo.gl/LsLjBL Lots of B52s sitting in the open, though. As this Fox report says, it's in Pakistan: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fmr-gen-doubles-down-on-claim-malaysian-plane-cou ld-be-in-pakistan-to-be-used-for-terror/ OK - The plot thickens but not all the details. Could not Air Force Gen. Thomas McInerney be a shill and actually be a part of the scheme (or a patsy)? IOW when he speculates that the missing airliner had been flown to Pakistan, to be used as a delivery vehicle for nuclear explosives by terrorists... isn't that exactly what what schemers would want the world to believe? And it could be true as of today... to wit: Consider those hangars - yes they would leave the tail section of the 777 open to view, but there is a fix for that. Any by now, the plane has been repainted refueled - and could actually be in Pakistan, just as the good General sez. IOW the stop in Diego Garcia was merely to refuel, repaint - ditch about 237 dead corpses, remove the suspicious cargo, load the Minot nuke in the Cargo bay and continue on as if it was now a PIA airplane, returning from a recent overhaul. I'm still waiting for the call from Hollywood with the screenplay advance ... g
RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
From: Edmund Storms I'm really disappointed in this group, given their high intelligence and fantastic imagination, for not suggesting the obvious explanation. The airplane was captured by a ET mothership. This was done with the help of the pilots because they are actually hybrids. You could be right on this one Ed. At least you may have now just realized that Terry and I always try to present these kind of tall tales as tongue-in-cheek humor. though not everyone realizes that till later. Sometimes the only giveaway is the subject heading. it is fun to see that the conspiracy theorists have already picked up on it. BTW - the next episode - possibly happening this afternoon, if they follow our original script - will be the one where most of the bodies and a lot of luggage from Flight 370 will turn up in the Indian Ocean, about as far away from Diego Garcia as possible - so as not to raise eyebrows even further. . or else ET will place all the evidence on an iceberg near Antarctica.
RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
They should be scanning our orbital trail in case it encountered a temporal rift and rematerialized in the same spatial coordinates displaced by hours from the rest of the planet. From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 12:49 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days? From: Edmund Storms I'm really disappointed in this group, given their high intelligence and fantastic imagination, for not suggesting the obvious explanation. The airplane was captured by a ET mothership. This was done with the help of the pilots because they are actually hybrids. You could be right on this one Ed. At least you may have now just realized that Terry and I always try to present these kind of tall tales as tongue-in-cheek humor... though not everyone realizes that till later. Sometimes the only giveaway is the subject heading... it is fun to see that the conspiracy theorists have already picked up on it. BTW - the next episode - possibly happening this afternoon, if they follow our original script - will be the one where most of the bodies and a lot of luggage from Flight 370 will turn up in the Indian Ocean, about as far away from Diego Garcia as possible - so as not to raise eyebrows even further... ... or else ET will place all the evidence on an iceberg near Antarctica...
Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
I'm really disappointed in this group, given their high intelligence and fantastic imagination, for not suggesting the obvious explanation. The airplane was captured by a ET mothership. This was done with the help of the pilots because they are actually hybrids. The goal is to show the population of the world the ability of the ET and to educate the passengers about the need to change world policy. Once the passengers have been give a guided tour of the mother ship with several good meals thrown in, they will be returned to tell their story. Too bad Bond would have no one to shoot. Perhaps this is why this explanation will not be used as a movie plot and is not getting attention. This can not be any more far fetched than the present explanations and it has a happy ending, at least for the passengers. For the world leaders, not so much. Ed Storms On Mar 19, 2014, at 9:32 AM, Jones Beene wrote: One more story of interest – relates to hidden motives http://www.eutimes.net/2014/03/russia-puzzled-over-malaysia-airlines-capture-by-us-navy/ [snip] The latest twist on this story is that a search of the Pilot’s home found a flight simulator, and the flight data that had been erased from the simulator indicated that the pilot had been training to land on Diego Garcia Island in the Indian Ocean. Makes a good plot for the next Bond movie if nothing else…
RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
In one of the articles I read which was written by a pilot, and therefore given more 'believability', the pilot makes the argument that a fire started in the cockpit and the smoke rendered the flight crew unconscious and eventually dead. I guess the expert 'pilot' writing that story conveniently forgot that the flight crew have oxygen masks readily available, and I would bet that it is standard procedure to immediately put the masks on if any problem occurs, especially smoke. so much for erudite expertise. -mark From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:39 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days? From: Jed Rothwell This author says that hypothesis [fire] has to be wrong: http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/18/mh370_disappearance_chris _goodfellow_s_theory_about_a_fire_and_langkawi.html The latest twist on this story is that a search of the Pilot's home found a flight simulator, and the flight data that had been erased from the simulator indicated that the pilot had been training to land on Diego Garcia Island in the Indian Ocean. Here is another story on that connection, notably that this airport has hangars for B-52s (could hide a 777 from satellites) and was used to bomb areas in Afghanistan: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/03/island-of-diego-garcia-factors -into-mysterious-malaysia-flight-theories/ It get weirder and weirder since this implies that the Pilot and probably the copilot as well - took the plane to 45,000 feet with the intention of killing all of the passengers and flight crew that did not have access to oxygen in the cockpit, and then headed to Diego Garcia. It also implies US complicity - to land on a US base and avoid the News getting out. Plus the Flight 370 was seen by local fishermen flying over the Maldives, which is on the flight path to Diego Garcia. This has of course been disputed by Officials of the Maldives. http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/18/flight-mh370-residents-on-remote-island-in-mal dives-saw-jet-matching-missing-malaysia-airlines-planes-description-4640688/ Thus, if a rogue element in the CIA was behind this act somehow, it would mean that something very valuable was aboard that airplane and not a passenger, since they would have all perished, most likely. Or else, someone in the US military is out to trigger war, possibly in the Middle East. The only apparent rationale for that is that someone in the Pentagon or NSA thinks that the USA can avoid an even greater tragedy by starting a local War now, possibly between Iran and Israel. One way to do that would be to load a missing nuke aboard a repainted 777, now El Al 666, with which to eliminate Iran's nuclear weapon program, and blame Israel at the same time. Makes a good plot for the next Bond movie if nothing else.
Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
On Mar 19, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote: Yes but still displaced by solar orbit wrt the galaxy :_) Yes, your comment applies to the physical location, not to the temporal location. As we know, time and space are not located in the same place. ;-) Ed Storms From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:06 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days? On Mar 19, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote: They should be scanning our orbital trail in case it encountered a temporal rift and rematerialized in the same spatial coordinates displaced by hours from the rest of the planet. Now you are one to something, Roarty. Consequently, the plane will reappear a year from now when we return to the previous temporal location. Ed Storms From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 12:49 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days? From: Edmund Storms I'm really disappointed in this group, given their high intelligence and fantastic imagination, for not suggesting the obvious explanation. The airplane was captured by a ET mothership. This was done with the help of the pilots because they are actually hybrids. You could be right on this one Ed. At least you may have now just realized that Terry and I always try to present these kind of tall tales as tongue-in-cheek humor… though not everyone realizes that till later. Sometimes the only giveaway is the subject heading… it is fun to see that the conspiracy theorists have already picked up on it. BTW – the next episode – possibly happening this afternoon, if they follow our original script - will be the one where most of the bodies and a lot of luggage from Flight 370 will turn up in the Indian Ocean, about as far away from Diego Garcia as possible – so as not to raise eyebrows even further… … or else ET will place all the evidence on an iceberg near Antarctica…
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Yes but still displaced by solar orbit wrt the galaxy :_) From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:06 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days? On Mar 19, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote: They should be scanning our orbital trail in case it encountered a temporal rift and rematerialized in the same spatial coordinates displaced by hours from the rest of the planet. Now you are one to something, Roarty. Consequently, the plane will reappear a year from now when we return to the previous temporal location. Ed Storms From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 12:49 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days? From: Edmund Storms I'm really disappointed in this group, given their high intelligence and fantastic imagination, for not suggesting the obvious explanation. The airplane was captured by a ET mothership. This was done with the help of the pilots because they are actually hybrids. You could be right on this one Ed. At least you may have now just realized that Terry and I always try to present these kind of tall tales as tongue-in-cheek humor... though not everyone realizes that till later. Sometimes the only giveaway is the subject heading... it is fun to see that the conspiracy theorists have already picked up on it. BTW - the next episode - possibly happening this afternoon, if they follow our original script - will be the one where most of the bodies and a lot of luggage from Flight 370 will turn up in the Indian Ocean, about as far away from Diego Garcia as possible - so as not to raise eyebrows even further... ... or else ET will place all the evidence on an iceberg near Antarctica...
Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
On Mar 19, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote: They should be scanning our orbital trail in case it encountered a temporal rift and rematerialized in the same spatial coordinates displaced by hours from the rest of the planet. Now you are one to something, Roarty. Consequently, the plane will reappear a year from now when we return to the previous temporal location. Ed Storms From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 12:49 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days? From: Edmund Storms I'm really disappointed in this group, given their high intelligence and fantastic imagination, for not suggesting the obvious explanation. The airplane was captured by a ET mothership. This was done with the help of the pilots because they are actually hybrids. You could be right on this one Ed. At least you may have now just realized that Terry and I always try to present these kind of tall tales as tongue-in-cheek humor… though not everyone realizes that till later. Sometimes the only giveaway is the subject heading… it is fun to see that the conspiracy theorists have already picked up on it. BTW – the next episode – possibly happening this afternoon, if they follow our original script - will be the one where most of the bodies and a lot of luggage from Flight 370 will turn up in the Indian Ocean, about as far away from Diego Garcia as possible – so as not to raise eyebrows even further… … or else ET will place all the evidence on an iceberg near Antarctica…
Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Did the missing jetliner fly into an area controlled by the Taliban? Apparently there was enough fuel ... and, well ... no better explanation has surfaced. A water spout sucked it into a Keplerian orbital WIMP sinkhole. Haven't you guys ever heard of Ockham's Razor?
Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
Ockham is about to slit his throat. Ed Storms On Mar 19, 2014, at 11:21 AM, James Bowery wrote: On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Did the missing jetliner fly into an area controlled by the Taliban? Apparently there was enough fuel ... and, well ... no better explanation has surfaced. A water spout sucked it into a Keplerian orbital WIMP sinkhole. Haven't you guys ever heard of Ockham's Razor?
Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
It appears that the aliens failed to include a few passengers from this list. The flight was full. :-) Dave -Original Message- From: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 1:07 pm Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days? On Mar 19, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote: They should be scanning our orbital trail in case it encountered a temporal rift and rematerialized in the same spatial coordinates displaced by hours from the rest of the planet. Now you are one to something, Roarty. Consequently, the plane will reappear a year from now when we return to the previous temporal location. Ed Storms From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 12:49 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days? From: Edmund Storms I'm really disappointed in this group, given their high intelligence and fantastic imagination, for not suggesting the obvious explanation. The airplane was captured by a ET mothership. This was done with the help of the pilots because they are actually hybrids. You could be right on this one Ed. At least you may have now just realized that Terry and I always try to present these kind of tall tales as tongue-in-cheek humor… though not everyone realizes that till later. Sometimes the only giveaway is the subject heading… it is fun to see that the conspiracy theorists have already picked up on it. BTW – the next episode – possibly happening this afternoon, if they follow our original script - will be the one where most of the bodies and a lot of luggage from Flight 370 will turn up in the Indian Ocean, about as far away from Diego Garcia as possible – so as not to raise eyebrows even further… … or else ET will place all the evidence on an iceberg near Antarctica…
Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
Maybe it wasn't a fire, maybe it was a sudden breach of the cabin @ 35,000 ft with 500 MPH winds in their face and no oxygen...who knows [image: Aloha.gif] On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I would believe a pilot before a liberal arts magazine writer. I cannot judge, but it seems extremely unlikely to me that the pilot or copilot would not contact air traffic control and declare an emergency in the event of a fire. That only takes a moment. They would have known that if they had to land in the ocean, dozens of rescue teams would be dispatched, and that would be their only hope of survival. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I would believe a pilot before a liberal arts magazine writer. I cannot judge, but it seems extremely unlikely to me that the pilot or copilot would not contact air traffic control and declare an emergency in the event of a fire. That only takes a moment. They would have known that if they had to land in the ocean, dozens of rescue teams would be dispatched, and that would be their only hope of survival. - Jed
[Vo]:self-assembling DNA cages
Largest, sturdiest self-assembling DNA cages built Scientists at the Harvard's Wyss Institute have built a set of self-assembling DNA cages that are up to one-tenth as wide as a bacterium. The structures are some of the largest and most complex structures ever constructed solely from DNA, they report in /Science/. http://www.kurzweilai.net/largest-sturdiest-self-assembling-dna-cages-built
Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe it wasn't a fire, maybe it was a sudden breach of the cabin @ 35,000 ft with 500 MPH winds in their face and no oxygen...who knows Pilots always have oxygen. They have oxygen masks. These are much better than ones that passengers get, with goggles. They protect the eyes in the event of fire or a broken window, and they have built-in microphones. The airplane flew for hours after the IFF was turned off and it deviated from course. They had plenty of time to contact flight control. When the US Airways flight from LaGuardia was disabled and had to land in the Hudson, the pilot and copilot were very busy and had only a few minutes to deal with the problem, but they talked to flight control. I do not think the facts fit this scenario at all. I am no expert in aviation, but this seems very far fetched. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
Things happen fast at 500 MPH. They had just reached cruising altitude maybe one of them was back in the head and got sucked out... On Wednesday, March 19, 2014, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cheme...@gmail.com'); wrote: Maybe it wasn't a fire, maybe it was a sudden breach of the cabin @ 35,000 ft with 500 MPH winds in their face and no oxygen...who knows Pilots always have oxygen. They have oxygen masks. These are much better than ones that passengers get, with goggles. They protect the eyes in the event of fire or a broken window, and they have built-in microphones. The airplane flew for hours after the IFF was turned off and it deviated from course. They had plenty of time to contact flight control. When the US Airways flight from LaGuardia was disabled and had to land in the Hudson, the pilot and copilot were very busy and had only a few minutes to deal with the problem, but they talked to flight control. I do not think the facts fit this scenario at all. I am no expert in aviation, but this seems very far fetched. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Things happen fast at 500 MPH. They had just reached cruising altitude maybe one of them was back in the head and got sucked out... The airplane continued to fly for many hours after the event that caused the IFF to go off and the airplane to deviate from the assigned flight path. I assume that event was a pilot action, but whatever it was, hours elapsed after that and the plane flew for thousands of miles. Therefore it could not be a case of the pilots being incapacitated or dead. They could not have changed course the way they did if they were incapacitated. After it deviated the first time, it flew a complicated course including zig-zagging. Again, no autopilot would do that. It is extremely unlikely that the radio, IFF and the emergency radio beacon in the tail (SARSAT) were destroyed by a fire, yet the aircraft could still be controlled and flown for hours. Any fire bad enough to destroy all communications would also crash the plane. Airplanes have multiple redundant communication systems and other vital systems. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
that is a serious point. some say that they first tried to same the plane aviate-navigate-communicate, but some remind in case of fire the directive is communicate first then work on the fire. som answer to that saying the pilot was young (2000h flight) did they have radio contact ? it seems they were out of any control area ? but were they connected by radio anyway ? anyway one symptom, as trecker, as skydiver, as climber, as cyclist, as accidented guy, is that when facing huge incident, you lost half your brain... normally if you are well trained you apply procedures, but else you mostly apply known procedures that don't apply on your problem, and you forget simple solutions... being two does not surely helps much... not everybody can land a plane of Hudson River and stay calm. the simple hypothesis is not perfect, but others are not better for sure. It remind me something about cold fusion theory. 2014-03-19 18:41 GMT+01:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I would believe a pilot before a liberal arts magazine writer. I cannot judge, but it seems extremely unlikely to me that the pilot or copilot would not contact air traffic control and declare an emergency in the event of a fire. That only takes a moment. They would have known that if they had to land in the ocean, dozens of rescue teams would be dispatched, and that would be their only hope of survival. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: some say that they first tried to same the plane aviate-navigate-communicate, but some remind in case of fire the directive is communicate first then work on the fire. They had many hours to deal with the emergency, assuming it started with the flight deviation. Surely, during all that time, they had a moment to contact flight control and issue an emergency. They could trigger the SARSAT emergency beacon in a second by pressing a button. The notion that they were fighting a fire for hours, and they never got a chance to communicate, makes no sense at all. did they have radio contact ? it seems they were out of any control area ? but were they connected by radio anyway ? They always have radio contact. Large airplanes have SARSAT connections to satellite telephones. not everybody can land a plane of Hudson River and stay calm. Over several hours any pilot will be calm enough to press the emergency beacon button or call in an emergency. If the event had lasted only a few minutes I could understand they might be overwhelmed, but there is no doubt it lasted for hours. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
You are assuming the pilots were alive. If they were terrorists they have mostly left people scratching their heads. If it was a government they have just kidnapped/killed 220+ civilians, which makes no sense to me. What makes sense is that the pilot diverted to the closest large runway and was not able to complete the task, for whatever reason. On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: some say that they first tried to same the plane aviate-navigate-communicate, but some remind in case of fire the directive is communicate first then work on the fire. They had many hours to deal with the emergency, assuming it started with the flight deviation. Surely, during all that time, they had a moment to contact flight control and issue an emergency. They could trigger the SARSAT emergency beacon in a second by pressing a button. The notion that they were fighting a fire for hours, and they never got a chance to communicate, makes no sense at all. did they have radio contact ? it seems they were out of any control area ? but were they connected by radio anyway ? They always have radio contact. Large airplanes have SARSAT connections to satellite telephones. not everybody can land a plane of Hudson River and stay calm. Over several hours any pilot will be calm enough to press the emergency beacon button or call in an emergency. If the event had lasted only a few minutes I could understand they might be overwhelmed, but there is no doubt it lasted for hours. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic inertia
Mark, That was a good paper, thanks for posting On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 2:04 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: You might look at this paper as well; I've mentioned it many moons ago. Polarizable vacuum analysis of electric and magnetic fields, Xing-Hao Ye http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2 Abstract The electric and magnetic fields are investigated on the basis of quantum vacuum. The analysis of the electromagnetic energy and force indicates that an electric field is a polarized distribution of the vacuum virtual dipoles, and that a magnetic field in vacuum is a rearrangement of the vacuum polarization. It means that an electromagnetic wave is a successional changing of the vacuum polarization in space. Also, it is found that the average half length of the virtual dipoles around an elementary charge is a=2.8 *10^(-15)m. The result leads to the step distribution of the field energy around an electron, the relation between the fine structure constant and the vacuum polarization distribution, and an extremely high energy density of the electromagnetic field. Finally, Anyone who has seen the mag-field-lines in iron filings has to at least wonder if this is an obvious manifestation of the polarization discussed in the above paper... 'Fields' are not just convenient mathematical constructs, but a real physical phenomenon which directly influences matter. The scientist in me then wonders if the iron filings are following a polarization of atoms in the air??? But I would bet that you would see the same thing if done in a vacuum... -Mark Iverson *From:* John Berry [mailto:berry.joh...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:02 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic inertia Yes, when beliefs are challenged, most scientists end up acting more like religious types. To explain my idea most simply, it is magnetic hysteresis like drag of space due to the speed of light limit. Only it requires acceleration. Secondly I have found scientific papers claim that the near-field around a dipole transmits instantaneously within the quarter wave length. I can find it if anyone is interested. John On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 7:51 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: I don't know if your EM inertia is the same thing, but I mentioned previously that the concept of inertia being a kind of electromagnetic 'drag' between accelerated matter and the vacuum of space was first derived/proposed by Haisch/Rueda many years ago... I've visited Dr. Rueda several times at his office, Cal State Long Beach, which is where I did my undergrad work... Their first paper on this topic was: B. Haisch, A. Rueda and H.E. Puthoff, Phys. Rev A 48 (1994) 678 It derived the formula for inertia, F=ma, from the zero-point field; F=ma was a fundamental equation not thought to be derivable. Comments from the peer-reviewers went something like this: Well, I can't find any errors in your math, and the physics looks good... but it just can't be. Gee, that sure sounds like a scientist talking... NOT! It was Bernie Haisch's concept, but Dr. Rueda did all the math... and take a look at the 1994 paper and you'll get some idea of just what kind of mathematician Rueda is... it's like 40+ pages of mostly equations. Anyway, here's a reference for a followup paper they did in 2005: Gravity and the Quantum Vacuum Inertia Hypothesis Alfonso Rueda, Bernard Haisch (Submitted on 13 Apr 2005 (v1), last revised 15 Apr 2005 (this version, v3)) http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0504061v3 This caught my eye when scanning the conclusions: (7) An experimental prediction has been made that the mass of the resonant electromagnetic zero-point field modes within a cavity should add to the mass of the cavity structure. -Mark Iverson *From:* fznidar...@aol.com [mailto:fznidar...@aol.com] *Sent:* Friday, March 14, 2014 7:44 PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic inertia I looked at this and came up with the source of electromagnetic inertia is the acceleration of an energy flow. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/chapter7.html
RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton IOW the stop in Diego Garcia was merely to refuel, repaint - ditch about 237 dead corpses, remove the suspicious cargo, load the Minot nuke in the Cargo bay and continue on, as if it was now a PIA airplane, returning from a recent overhaul. So, in order to complete the screenplay, brother Coen, we need to tie in the action in the Crimea. OK - I was thinking of the theme song, which cuts in here - you know the one Crimea River ... ... hey, they don't call us Coen-heads for nuttin'
Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: IOW the stop in Diego Garcia was merely to refuel, repaint - ditch about 237 dead corpses, remove the suspicious cargo, load the Minot nuke in the Cargo bay and continue on as if it was now a PIA airplane, returning from a recent overhaul. So, in order to complete the screenplay, brother Coen, we need to tie in the action in the Crimea. (Did you have to mention Pia? http://www.starmedia.us/entertainment/actress-pia-zadora-ordered-to-do-anger-counseling-treatment-or-go-to-jail.html I haven't thought of Ms. Zadora in ages. She could play a flight attendant?)
Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
Ok, I was assuming they were too busy and then time ran out On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: You are assuming the pilots were alive. No, I am addressing the Goodfellow hypothesis, which is that they were alive but too busy to call for help. If they were terrorists they have mostly left people scratching their heads. That is a different hypothesis. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: You are assuming the pilots were alive. No, I am addressing the Goodfellow hypothesis, which is that they were alive but too busy to call for help. If they were terrorists they have mostly left people scratching their heads. That is a different hypothesis. - Jed
[Vo]:Instantaneous near-field
In researching my near field electromagnetic inertia concept (which MUST occur if near-field transmission is niot instantaneous) I found research that seems to indicate that until a photon detaches the near-field seems to propagate instantaneously. http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0009/0009023.pdf http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0009/0009076.pdf note: The author claims that it cannot be used for transmitting information backwards in time, however this is easily shown to be false if SR take on reality were assumed to be true. John
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I should also note the possibly obvious, near-fields are not necessarily near. They can can be extremely distant if the frequency is low or infinite if essentially zero. On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:49 AM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: In researching my near field electromagnetic inertia concept (which MUST occur if near-field transmission is niot instantaneous) I found research that seems to indicate that until a photon detaches the near-field seems to propagate instantaneously. http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0009/0009023.pdf http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0009/0009076.pdf note: The author claims that it cannot be used for transmitting information backwards in time, however this is easily shown to be false if SR take on reality were assumed to be true. John
Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: OK - I was thinking of the theme song, which cuts in here - you know the one Crimea River ... Groan Okay, since it was most recently in a Brit flick V for Vendetta we need a Brit to sing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxy8bLzsCfM ... hey, they don't call us Coen-heads for nuttin' Fer sure.
Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
You have no idea what you are talking abut. Speaking as a fromer B52 pilot. Ron --On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 2:02 PM -0400 ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Things happen fast at 500 MPH. They had just reached cruising altitude maybe one of them was back in the head and got sucked out... On Wednesday, March 19, 2014, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe it wasn't a fire, maybe it was a sudden breach of the cabin @ 35,000 ft with 500 MPH winds in their face and no oxygen...who knows Pilots always have oxygen. They have oxygen masks. These are much better than ones that passengers get, with goggles. They protect the eyes in the event of fire or a broken window, and they have built-in microphones. The airplane flew for hours after the IFF was turned off and it deviated from course. They had plenty of time to contact flight control. When the US Airways flight from LaGuardia was disabled and had to land in the Hudson, the pilot and copilot were very busy and had only a few minutes to deal with the problem, but they talked to flight control. I do not think the facts fit this scenario at all. I am no expert in aviation, but this seems very far fetched. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
-Original Message- From: Ron Wormus ... Speaking as a former B52 pilot. Hey Ron, What is your take on this disappearing plane incident? As I recall a few years back, you were a little concerned that the truth about the missing Minot nuke was being told... Jones
RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
Jones, With the information we have it's impossible to say. It seems suspicious (if true) that the plane maneuvered after passing a logical emergency landing site. The only reason the iff (transponder) wouldn't be switched to emergency squawk is a very bad electrical fire where the procedure is to pull all the circuit breakers which would turn systems off while the fire was isolated. But it is unlikely the plane would fly on for 7 hours with a fire of that magnitude With a rapid decompression (Chem E's scenario) There is a loud 'POP' the cabin fills with cloud (no huge wind with bodies flying out the window etc. as in the movies) you have a few minutes to get down to breathing altitude after going on 100% Oxygen, supplied at a positive pressure. The pilots can't sustain high altitude flight unpressurized with out a pressure suit (you get the bends). It would seem to be tricky to kill all the passengers by hypoxia (they have oxygen too) without impairing the pilots also. We really don't know what the radio or radar coverage is in the overwater areas. When I was flying there, in the Vietnam era, it was nil, except for HF radio position reporting radar was only good for a couple hundred miles out depending upon altitude. Diego Garcia is definitely in the area but seems to me like there would less conspicuous ways to get an aircraft to repaint etc. I enjoy reading the rampant uninformed speculation though. Ron --On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 3:42 PM -0700 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: Ron Wormus ... Speaking as a former B52 pilot. Hey Ron, What is your take on this disappearing plane incident? As I recall a few years back, you were a little concerned that the truth about the missing Minot nuke was being told... Jones
Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
Dave wrote:
It appears that the aliens failed to include a few passengers from this
list.
Been there, done that... don't like their beer!
;-)
-Mark
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:19 AM, David Roberson wrote:
It appears that the aliens failed to include a few passengers from
this list. The flight was full. :-)
Dave
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On Mar 19, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote:
They should be scanning our orbital trail in case it encountered a
temporal rift and rematerialized in the same spatial coordinates
displaced by hours from the rest of the planet.
Now you are one to something, Roarty. Consequently, the plane will
reappear a year from now when we return to the previous temporal
location.
Ed Storms
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From: Edmund Storms
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I'm really disappointed in this group, given their high intelligence and
fantastic imagination, for not suggesting the obvious explanation. The
airplane was captured by a ET mothership. This was done with the help
of the pilots because they are actually hybrids.
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You could be right on this one Ed.
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At least you may have now just realized that Terry and I always try to
present these kind of tall tales as tongue-in-cheek humor… though not
everyone realizes that till later.
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Sometimes the only giveaway is the subject heading… it is fun to see
that the conspiracy theorists have already picked up on it.
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BTW – the next episode – possibly happening this afternoon, if they
follow our original script - will be the one where most of the bodies
and a lot of luggage from Flight 370 will turn up in the Indian Ocean,
about as far away from Diego Garcia as possible – so as not to raise
eyebrows even further…
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… or else ET will place all the evidence on an iceberg near Antarctica…
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Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic inertia
U R welcome, ChemE!
Does anyone know if the astronauts have ever done the magnet and
iron-filings kind of thing while in zero-g???
Anyone know of such an experiment done in a vacuum in 1g???
Is my assumption valid that the mag-field lines would still be
obvious... i.e., that this is possibly a physical manifestation of the
polarization of the vacuum...
-mi
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:07 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
Mark,
That was a good paper, thanks for posting
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You might look at this paper as well; Irsquo;ve mentioned it many moons
ago.
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Polarizable vacuum analysis of electric and magnetic fields, Xing-Hao Ye
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http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2 http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2
http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2
http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2
Abstract http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2
The electric and magnetic fields are investigated on the basis of
quantum vacuum. The analysis of the electromagnetic energy and force
indicates that an electric field is a polarized distribution of the
vacuum virtual dipoles, and that a magnetic field in vacuum is a
rearrangement of the vacuum polarization. It means that an
electromagnetic wave is a successional changing of the vacuum
polarization in space. Also, it is found that the average half length of
the virtual dipoles around an elementary charge is a=2.8 *10^(-15)m. The
result leads to the step distribution of the field energy around an
electron, the relation between the fine structure constant and the
vacuum polarization distribution, and an extremely high energy density
of the electromagnetic field. http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2
http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2
Finally, http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2
Anyone who has seen the mag-field-lines in iron filings has to at least
wonder if this is an obvious manifestation of the polarization discussed
in the above paperhellip; lsquo;Fieldsrsquo; are not just convenient
mathematical constructs, but a real physical phenomenon which directly
influences matter. The scientist in me then wonders if the iron filings
are following a polarization of atoms in the air??? But I would bet
that you would see the same thing if done in a vacuumhellip;
http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2
http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2
-Mark Iverson http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2
http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2
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Yes, when beliefs are challenged, most scientists end up acting more
like religious types.
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To explain my idea most simply, it is magnetic hysteresis like drag of
space due to the speed of light limit.
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Only it requires acceleration.
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Secondly I have found scientific papers claim that the near-field around
a dipole transmits instantaneously within the quarter wave length.
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I can find it if anyone is interested.
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John
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On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 7:51 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
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I donrsquo;t know if your EM inertia is the same thing, but I mentioned
previously that the concept of inertia being a
Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic inertia
Magnetic field lines can be mapped using a compass. Iron-filings act like miniature compass needles when sprinkled on paper covering a magnet. Friction between the paper and an iron-filing ensures the iron-filing will pivot like a compass needle. In zero-g the iron-filings would need to be placed in a viscous suspension. Harry On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:26 PM, MarkI-Zeropoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: U R welcome, ChemE! Does anyone know if the astronauts have ever done the magnet and iron-filings kind of thing while in zero-g??? Anyone know of such an experiment done in a vacuum in 1g??? Is my assumption valid that the mag-field lines would still be obvious... i.e., that this is possibly a physical manifestation of the polarization of the vacuum... -mi On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:07 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote: Mark, That was a good paper, thanks for posting On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 2:04 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint *zeropo...@charter.net* wrote: You might look at this paper as well; Irsquo;ve mentioned it many moons ago. Polarizable vacuum analysis of electric and magnetic fields, Xing-Hao Ye *http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2* http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2 http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2 Abstract http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2 The electric and magnetic fields are investigated on the basis of quantum vacuum. The analysis of the electromagnetic energy and force indicates that an electric field is a polarized distribution of the vacuum virtual dipoles, and that a magnetic field in vacuum is a rearrangement of the vacuum polarization. It means that an electromagnetic wave is a successional changing of the vacuum polarization in space. Also, it is found that the average half length of the virtual dipoles around an elementary charge is a=2.8 *10^(-15)m. The result leads to the step distribution of the field energy around an electron, the relation between the fine structure constant and the vacuum polarization distribution, and an extremely high energy density of the electromagnetic field. http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2 http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2 Finally, http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2 Anyone who has seen the mag-field-lines in iron filings has to at least wonder if this is an obvious manifestation of the polarization discussed in the above paperhellip; lsquo;Fieldsrsquo; are not just convenient mathematical constructs, but a real physical phenomenon which directly influences matter. The scientist in me then wonders if the iron filings are following a polarization of atoms in the air??? But I would bet that you would see the same thing if done in a vacuumhellip; http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2 http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2 -Mark Iverson http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2 http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2 *From: *John Berry [mailto: *berry.joh...@gmail.com*] *Sent: *Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:02 AM *To: **vortex-l@eskimo.com* *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic inertia Yes, when beliefs are challenged, most scientists end up acting more like religious types. To explain my idea most simply, it is magnetic hysteresis like drag of space due to the speed of light limit. Only it requires acceleration. Secondly I have found scientific papers claim that the near-field around a dipole transmits instantaneously within the quarter wave length. I can find it if anyone is interested. John On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 7:51 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint *zeropo...@charter.net* wrote: I donrsquo;t know if your EM inertia is the same thing, but I mentioned previously that the concept of inertia being a kind of electromagnetic lsquo;dragrsquo; between accelerated matter and the vacuum of space was first derived/proposed by Haisch/Rueda many years agohellip; Irsquo;ve visited Dr. Rueda several times at his office, Cal State Long Beach, which is where I did my undergrad workhellip; Their first paper on this topic was: B. Haisch, A. Rueda and H.E. Puthoff, Phys. Rev A 48 (1994) 678 It derived the formula for inertia, F=ma, from the zero-point field; F=ma was a fundamental equation not thought to be derivable. Comments from the peer-reviewers went something like this: ldquo;Well, I canrsquo;t find any errors in your math, and the physics looks goodhellip; but it just canrsquo;t be.rdquo; Gee, that sure sounds like a scientist talkinghellip; NOT! It was Bernie Haischrsquo;s concept, but Dr. Rueda did all the mathhellip; and take a look at the 1994 paper and yoursquo;ll get some idea of just what kind of mathematician Rueda ishellip; itrsquo;s like 40+ pages of mostly equations. Anyway, herersquo;s a reference for a followup paper they did in 2005: Gravity and the Quantum Vacuum Inertia Hypothesis Alfonso Rueda, Bernard Haisch (Submitted on 13 Apr 2005 (v1), last revised 15 Apr 2005 (this version, v3))
RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
Ed sez: Ockham is about to slit his throat. To paraphrase a famous saying from the movie CE3K Occam was one of them ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/
Re: [Vo]:HHO welding is LENR
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Mon, 17 Mar 2014 23:10:37 -0400: Hi, [snip] Why is a HHO flame able to vaporize tungsten and yet will not burn the skin of your hand. Tungsten does not vaporize. It doesn't even melt. Instead, it oxidizes in the flame, and the oxide sublimates. I have seen this first hand. When a piece of copper metal (e.g. copper pipe) is placed in the flame, the copper melts and a droplet of molten copper will hang from the end. With a tungsten rod, there is no droplet. Note in the video that there no droplets of molten tungsten fall onto the plate below. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:HHO welding is LENR
What temperature does this sublimation process occur at? On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:51 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Mon, 17 Mar 2014 23:10:37 -0400: Hi, [snip] Why is a HHO flame able to vaporize tungsten and yet will not burn the skin of your hand. Tungsten does not vaporize. It doesn't even melt. Instead, it oxidizes in the flame, and the oxide sublimates. I have seen this first hand. When a piece of copper metal (e.g. copper pipe) is placed in the flame, the copper melts and a droplet of molten copper will hang from the end. With a tungsten rod, there is no droplet. Note in the video that there no droplets of molten tungsten fall onto the plate below. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
