[Vo]:The Long Peace 18 min video slide show on all war deaths since Fall of Rome -- after 70 million in WWII, lower and lower to now...: Rich Murray 2016.11.06

[Rich Murray]

vortex-l@eskimo.com

The Long Peace 18 min video slide show on all war deaths since Fall of Rome
-- after 70 million in WWII, lower and lower to now...: Rich Murray
2016.11.06

 http://www.fallen.io/ww2/

Re: [Vo]:Tritium generation in LENR

[Bob Cook]

Jones--


You should review the scope of NRC's authority.


IMHO NRC regulates "by products" of nuclear fission reactors, but not tritium 
produced by other methods.  Thus radioactive materials naturally occurring that 
are not fissile materials are not regulated.  Tritium resulting from LENR is 
not regulated by NRC IMHO.


However a device producing neutrons may very well be regulated by NRC, since it 
could be considered a device for the production of fissile materials--for 
example, Pu-239 from U-238 or U-233 from Th-232.   With this in mind I would be 
surprised to see an invention in the unclassified arena that involves 
production of neutrons.


A wise LENR inventor should avoid producing neutrons by his invention.


Bob Cook




From: Jones Beene 
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 7:30 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Tritium generation in LENR


Speaking of the Sun-Cell and its early commercialization...

Tritium generation is the gold standard of proof in LENR. There is nothing else 
which comes close to the certainty afforded by finding a reaction which 
produces tritium at lower energy input. But the experiment itself becomes 
radioactive and rather dangerous since tritium is hydrophilic and carcinogenic 
-- and is therefore seldom performed today.

The Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) was created to ensure the safe use of 
radioactive materials for civilian purposes. The NRC regulates all commercial 
uses of nuclear materials, even the small amounts of tritium (micrograms) used 
in nuclear medicine.

The signature of tritium is a well-known beta decay with a short and 
predictable half-life which cannot happen naturally, and also is easy to detect 
with inexpensive meters. Discovery of the tritium signature is thus rock-solid 
proof of a nuclear reaction. The signal has been reported many times in peer 
reviewed experiments from the early days. These experiments have been generally 
ignored by the mainstream.

It may surprise many LENR advocates to learn that one of the first claimants of 
tritium production in light water electrolysis was none other than Randell 
Mills, who published his results in the highly regarded Fusion Technology 
Magazine over twenty-four years ago - long before there was even a company 
called Blacklight Power. Mills of course would love to have the world ignore 
this detail about tritium today, since he wants nothing to do with anything 
that smacks of "nuclear" and wishes to portray the Sun Cell as completely 
non-nuclear.

Yet the possibility that tritium occurs as an inherent result of the Mills 
effect will not be erased until he permits an independent observer to monitor 
the experiment for tritium (which has not happened). Any level of secrecy 
creates a problem for eventual certification of the Sun Cell - if it should 
bring the results into the purview of the NRC.

BTW - the legacy of tritium discovery by Mills lives on in US Patent 6,024,935 
- where the inventor himself quotes many varied and different sources to 
support the discovery of tritium in nickel-light water electrolysis (curiously 
ignoring Claytor and LANL) in favor of:

1)  Notoya, "Tritium Generation . . . Nickel Electrodes", Fusion 
Technology, vol. 26.

2)  Oka, et. al., "D2O-fueled fusion power reactor using 
electromagnetically induced...Deuterium-tritium reactions-- Fusion Technology, 
vol. 16, No. 2, Sep. 1989, pp. 263-267.

3)  Srinivasan, et. al., "Tritium and Excess Heat Generation during 
Electrolysis of Aqueous Solutions of Alkali Salts with Nickel Cathode", 3rd 
Annual Conference on Cold Fusion.

4)  Chien, et. al., "On an Electrode . . . Tritium and Helium", J. 
Electroanal Chem., 1992, pp. 189-212.

5)  Storms, et. al., "Electroyltic Tritium Production", Fusion Technology, 
vol. 17, Jul. 1990, pp. 680-695.

Re: [Vo]:Brilliant Light Power "Industry Day" videos

[Axil Axil]

I am now an ardent admirer of Mills who has solved most of the issues
inherent in high power density LENR reactor design. I love high power
density in a reactor.

Mills can get top of the line power density out of just hydrogen fuel
without melting down the reactor, something that Rossi has been trying
to do for years now. Have you noticed, all hydrogen only based LENR
reactors will get out of control and melt down unless they are liquid
already.

The liquid electrode idea is great and its implementation is even
better. A miracle upon miracles is the self-driven plasma reaction
that can last for minutes without input stimulation. No one would have
ever imagined that this astounding feat was even possible.

And the most satisfying trait of all, Mills is completely open and
will explain how his tech works.

Rossi on the other hand has sacrificed power density for 5 sigma. When
he reduced his reactor unit to 20 watts, Rossi cut his power density
again by a factor of 1000 to keep his reactor from early destruction.
Low reactor power density paves the road to system commercial
failure.

Mills can improve power density even more by adding CAT/MOUSE based
multi electrode operation. Instead of just one liquid electrode pair,
Mills can setup an array of 100 pairs that work in parallel with each
electrode producing a plasma ball the size of a teacup.  Mills can add
magnetic protection to his structure to produce a hot fusion/LENR
hybrid design with huge power density...a 100 megawatt reactor in a
breadbox.

The limitation of the size of the this reactor type is the amount of
light conversion surface that is required to convert light to electric
current.



On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 3:43 PM, a.ashfield  wrote:
> Axil,
> I too think Mills has something with great promise.  I don't know enough
> exotic physics to pass judgement on his GUT but it seems he has made some
> good points that have not been answered by his critics.
>
> I don't see how you can claim Rossi's reaction would harm nearby electronics
> as that would have been obvious from the plant instrumentation and it's not.
>
> Likewise I wouldn't count Rossi out yet.  He's run far more experiments than
> anybody else and gone from small to large and back to small again.
> I think he is being conservative in what he now claims.  The QuarkX is 2 cm
> long by 6 mm dia producing 20 watts minimum.  I suspect the increased size
> is because he is counting the tubular shield around it that converts the
> radiation to heat.The earlier Quarks were much smaller and ran up to 100
> Watts, so he has something to play with.  He says he is working with a
> turbine company and one can see how the QuarkX would be a good match at
> 1400C.
>
> On 11/6/2016 2:02 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
>
> I have recently said that Rossi's technology...a lithium 7 burner... would
> be regulated by the nuclear authorities. I have recently said that Rossi's
> tech would be restricted to the electric utilities. I have recently said
> that Rossi's reaction is producing muons by the ton and would disable any
> electronics within a mile through EMF interference. Rossi's tech will not be
> a trillion dollar technology because of these limitations. Rossi's tech is a
> low density power producer so that his reactors are stable and will not melt
> down. On the other hand, BLP produces high density power without lithium and
> the fear of meltdown.
>
> I am now an ardent admirer of Mills who has solve most of the issues
> inherent in high power density LENR reactor design. I love high power
> density in a reactor.
>
> Mills can get top of the line power density out of just hydrogen fuel
> without melting down the reactor, something that Rossi has been trying to do
> for years now.
>
> The liquid electron idea is great and its implementation is even better. You
> can't meltdown something that is already melted. An miracle upon miracles is
> the self driven plasma reaction that can last for minutes without input
> stimulation. No one would have ever imagined that this astounding feat was
> even possible.
>
> And most satisfy trait of all, Mills is completely open and will explain how
> is tech works.
>
> Rossi on the other hand has sacrificed power density for 5 sigma. He has cut
> his power density by a factor of 1000 to keep his reactor from early
> destruction. Low reactor power density paves the road to system failure.
>
> Mills can improve power density even more by adding CAT/MOUSE based multi
> electrode operation. Mills can add magnetic protection to his structure to
> produce a hot fusion/LENR hybrid design with huge power density...a 100
> megawatt reactor in a breadbox.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Brilliant Light Power "Industry Day" videos

[Axil Axil]

This is a false equivalence. It depends on the format in which the
energy is produced. An explosion projects energy in expanding
particles. The SunCell projects energy as photons in the EUV energy
range.

A technology can be developed and is currently in development that
converts photon energy directly into electron flow by downshifting the
EUV to longer wavelength EMF and generating current from that
converted EMF.  See nano antenna

http://epjam.edp-open.org/articles/epjam/pdf/2015/01/epjam150012.pdf


On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 3:29 PM,   wrote:
> In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Sun, 6 Nov 2016 14:02:16 -0500:
> Hi,
> [snip]
>>Mills can improve power density even more by adding CAT/MOUSE based multi
>>electrode operation. Mills can add magnetic protection to his structure to
>>produce a hot fusion/LENR hybrid design with huge power density...a 100
>>megawatt reactor in a breadbox.
>
>
> Any real world power reactor is limited in (continuous) power density by the
> limitations imposed by the construction materials. Which is why bombs blow
> themselves apart.
>
>>
> [snip]
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>

Re: [Vo]:Brilliant Light Power "Industry Day" videos

[a.ashfield]

Axil,
I too think Mills has something with great promise.  I don't know enough 
exotic physics to pass judgement on his GUT but it seems he has made 
some good points that have not been answered by his critics.


I don't see how you can claim Rossi's reaction would harm nearby 
electronics as that would have been obvious from the plant 
instrumentation and it's not.


Likewise I wouldn't count Rossi out yet.  He's run far more experiments 
than anybody else and gone from small to large and back to small again.
I think he is being conservative in what he now claims.  The QuarkX is 2 
cm long by 6 mm dia producing 20 watts minimum.  I suspect the increased 
size is because he is counting the tubular shield around it that 
converts the radiation to heat.The earlier Quarks were much smaller and 
ran up to 100 Watts, so he has something to play with. He says he is 
working with a turbine company and one can see how the QuarkX would be a 
good match at 1400C.


On 11/6/2016 2:02 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
I have recently said that Rossi's technology...a lithium 7 burner... 
would be regulated by the nuclear authorities. I have recently said 
that Rossi's tech would be restricted to the electric utilities. I 
have recently said that Rossi's reaction is producing muons by the ton 
and would disable any electronics within a mile through EMF 
interference. Rossi's tech will not be a trillion dollar technology 
because of these limitations. Rossi's tech is a low density power 
producer so that his reactors are stable and will not melt down. On 
the other hand, BLP produces high density power without lithium and 
the fear of meltdown.


I am now an ardent admirer of Mills who has solve most of the issues 
inherent in high power density LENR reactor design. I love high power 
density in a reactor.


Mills can get top of the line power density out of just hydrogen fuel 
without melting down the reactor, something that Rossi has been trying 
to do for years now.


The liquid electron idea is great and its implementation is even 
better. You can't meltdown something that is already melted. An 
miracle upon miracles is the self driven plasma reaction that can last 
for minutes without input stimulation. No one would have ever imagined 
that this astounding feat was even possible.


And most satisfy trait of all, Mills is completely open and will 
explain how is tech works.


Rossi on the other hand has sacrificed power density for 5 sigma. He 
has cut his power density by a factor of 1000 to keep his reactor from 
early destruction. Low reactor power density paves the road to system 
failure.


Mills can improve power density even more by adding CAT/MOUSE based 
multi electrode operation. Mills can add magnetic protection to his 
structure to produce a hot fusion/LENR hybrid design with huge power 
density...a 100 megawatt reactor in a breadbox.

Re: [Vo]:Brilliant Light Power "Industry Day" videos

[mixent]

In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Sun, 6 Nov 2016 14:02:16 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>Mills can improve power density even more by adding CAT/MOUSE based multi
>electrode operation. Mills can add magnetic protection to his structure to
>produce a hot fusion/LENR hybrid design with huge power density...a 100
>megawatt reactor in a breadbox.


Any real world power reactor is limited in (continuous) power density by the
limitations imposed by the construction materials. Which is why bombs blow
themselves apart.

>
[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

[Vo]:starting to think about "radical" in LENR and elsehere

[Peter Gluck]

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/11/nov-06-2016-lenr-starting-radical-issues.html

peter

peter

-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Brilliant Light Power "Industry Day" videos

[Axil Axil]

I have recently said that Rossi's technology...a lithium 7 burner... would
be regulated by the nuclear authorities. I have recently said that Rossi's
tech would be restricted to the electric utilities. I have recently said
that Rossi's reaction is producing muons by the ton and would disable any
electronics within a mile through EMF interference. Rossi's tech will not
be a trillion dollar technology because of these limitations. Rossi's tech
is a low density power producer so that his reactors are stable and will
not melt down. On the other hand, BLP produces high density power without
lithium and the fear of meltdown.

I am now an ardent admirer of Mills who has solve most of the issues
inherent in high power density LENR reactor design. I love high power
density in a reactor.

Mills can get top of the line power density out of just hydrogen fuel
without melting down the reactor, something that Rossi has been trying to
do for years now.

The liquid electron idea is great and its implementation is even better.
You can't meltdown something that is already melted. An miracle upon
miracles is the self driven plasma reaction that can last for minutes
without input stimulation. No one would have ever imagined that this
astounding feat was even possible.

And most satisfy trait of all, Mills is completely open and will explain
how is tech works.

Rossi on the other hand has sacrificed power density for 5 sigma. He has
cut his power density by a factor of 1000 to keep his reactor from early
destruction. Low reactor power density paves the road to system failure.

Mills can improve power density even more by adding CAT/MOUSE based multi
electrode operation. Mills can add magnetic protection to his structure to
produce a hot fusion/LENR hybrid design with huge power density...a 100
megawatt reactor in a breadbox.

On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 8:26 AM, a.ashfield  wrote:

> There are seven videos at https://www.youtube.com/playli
> st?list=PLw1e-SwMe6eJf4Rr32w2UybIWOJ2cODEQ
>
> You can skip the first two that are basic introductions.
> The third video is the longest.  In it Mills describes his theories and
> then goes on to describe the SunCell in detail.
> The fourth video is short and covers independent verification of energy
> out.
> The fifth video describes the engineering firm contracted to turn the
> SunCell into a commercial device.  They forecast they will have a working
> model in Jan 2017,  a basic prototype by mid year and a commercial unit at
> the end of 2017.
> The sixth video covers the design and possibilities for the PV cells to
> convert the light energy into electricity.
> The seventh video cover their marketing strategy,
>
> I thought Mills argued points for his theory well.  I felt the time line
> for commercial production was optimistic but got the impression that this
> time they are serious about making commercial units..
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Tritium generation in LENR

[Jones Beene]

Bob,

 

Mills uses water as his source of hydrogen. The water is recycled in the 
device. If tritium is being produced, then it will accumulate in the water. 
Tritium will always displace a proton to form tritiated water which then glows 
when a phosphor is added to the water. 

 

Anyone given a vial of water from the Sun Cell can perform a simple luminosity 
test in a darkened room. This would determine only that some (any) source of 
radioactivity is present – not necessarily tritium. Nevertheless, it provides a 
prima facie case for tritium, since no other radioactive species would be 
suspected in the water. I can think of few simpler tests. From there on, it 
gets more complicated – so what? The case has been made for nuclear energy, 
over and above anything related to a putative hydrino - and that means a lot.

 

From: Bob Higgins 

 

Jones, 

While I agree 100% that tritium is one of the most convincing evidences for 
LENR, I beg to differ on your ease of detection comment for tritium:

>> The signature of tritium is a well-known beta decay with a short and 
>> predictable half-life which cannot happen naturally, and also is easy to 
>> detect with inexpensive meters. 

The low energy beta particles will not penetrate the device (metal or glass) 
holding the tritium gas, nor will the beta particles easily be detected in low 
concentration in the atmosphere (you do not want to be in a position to have 
tritium in the atmosphere).  Also, once in the atmosphere, tritium will diffuse 
extremely quickly, reducing the local concentration to a small level 
(thankfully).  Thus, detection of tritium via GM tubes is impractical.  Tritium 
is also extremely difficult to detect in a mass spectrometer due to the ionic 
interferers, such as HD.  The gold standard for tritium detection is to 
catalyze it into T2O and mix into a solution having a liquid beta scintillator. 
 Then this container with the scintillator and the T2O is placed inside a 
closed photomultiplier sensor where the beta produced scintillations are 
counted - for many hours.  The count provides the tritium concentration.  It is 
not a capability you would find in many laboratories.

 

On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 8:30 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

Speaking of the Sun-Cell and its early commercialization…

Tritium generation is the gold standard of proof in LENR. There is nothing else 
which comes close to the certainty afforded by finding a reaction which 
produces tritium at lower energy input. But the experiment itself becomes 
radioactive and rather dangerous since tritium is hydrophilic and carcinogenic 
-- and is therefore seldom performed today.

The Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) was created to ensure the safe use of 
radioactive materials for civilian purposes. The NRC regulates all commercial 
uses of nuclear materials, even the small amounts of tritium (micrograms) used 
in nuclear medicine.

The signature of tritium is a well-known beta decay with a short and 
predictable half-life which cannot happen naturally, and also is easy to detect 
with inexpensive meters. Discovery of the tritium signature is thus rock-solid 
proof of a nuclear reaction. The signal has been reported many times in peer 
reviewed experiments from the early days. These experiments have been generally 
ignored by the mainstream.

It may surprise many LENR advocates to learn that one of the first claimants of 
tritium production in light water electrolysis was none other than Randell 
Mills, who published his results in the highly regarded Fusion Technology 
Magazine over twenty-four years ago – long before there was even a company 
called Blacklight Power. Mills of course would love to have the world ignore 
this detail about tritium today, since he wants nothing to do with anything 
that smacks of “nuclear” and wishes to portray the Sun Cell as completely 
non-nuclear. 

Yet the possibility that tritium occurs as an inherent result of the Mills 
effect will not be erased until he permits an independent observer to monitor 
the experiment for tritium (which has not happened). Any level of secrecy 
creates a problem for eventual certification of the Sun Cell - if it should 
bring the results into the purview of the NRC. 

BTW - the legacy of tritium discovery by Mills lives on in US Patent 6,024,935 
- where the inventor himself quotes many varied and different sources to 
support the discovery of tritium in nickel-light water electrolysis (curiously 
ignoring Claytor and LANL) in favor of:

1)  Notoya, "Tritium Generation . . . Nickel Electrodes", Fusion 
Technology, vol. 26. 

2)  Oka, et. al., "D2O-fueled fusion power reactor using 
electromagnetically induced…Deuterium-tritium reactions-- Fusion Technology, 
vol. 16, No. 2, Sep. 1989, pp. 263-267.

3)  Srinivasan, et. al., "Tritium and Excess Heat Generation during 
Electrolysis of Aqueous Solutions of Alkali Salts with Nickel Cathode", 3rd 
Annual Conference on Cold Fusion.

Re: [Vo]:Tritium generation in LENR

[Bob Higgins]

Jones,

While I agree 100% that tritium is one of the most convincing evidences for
LENR, I beg to differ on your ease of detection comment for tritium:

>> The signature of tritium is a well-known beta decay with a short and
predictable half-life which cannot happen naturally, and also is easy to
detect with inexpensive meters.

The low energy beta particles will not penetrate the device (metal or
glass) holding the tritium gas, nor will the beta particles easily be
detected in low concentration in the atmosphere (you do not want to be in a
position to have tritium in the atmosphere).  Also, once in the atmosphere,
tritium will diffuse extremely quickly, reducing the local concentration to
a small level (thankfully).  Thus, detection of tritium via GM tubes is
impractical.  Tritium is also extremely difficult to detect in a mass
spectrometer due to the ionic interferers, such as HD.  The gold standard
for tritium detection is to catalyze it into T2O and mix into a solution
having a liquid beta scintillator.  Then this container with the
scintillator and the T2O is placed inside a closed photomultiplier sensor
where the beta produced scintillations are counted - for many hours.  The
count provides the tritium concentration.  It is not a capability you would
find in many laboratories.

On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 8:30 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> Speaking of the Sun-Cell and its early commercialization…
>
> Tritium generation is the gold standard of proof in LENR. There is
> nothing else which comes close to the certainty afforded by finding a
> reaction which produces tritium at lower energy input. But the experiment
> itself becomes radioactive and rather dangerous since tritium is
> hydrophilic and carcinogenic -- and is therefore seldom performed today.
>
> The Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) was created to ensure the safe use
> of radioactive materials for civilian purposes. The NRC regulates all 
> commercial
> uses of nuclear materials, even the small amounts of tritium (micrograms)
> used in nuclear medicine.
>
> The signature of tritium is a well-known beta decay with a short and
> predictable half-life which cannot happen naturally, and also is easy to
> detect with inexpensive meters. Discovery of the tritium signature is thus 
> rock-solid
> proof of a nuclear reaction. The signal has been reported many times in
> peer reviewed experiments from the early days. These experiments have
> been generally ignored by the mainstream.
>
> It may surprise many LENR advocates to learn that one of the first
> claimants of tritium production in light water electrolysis was none
> other than Randell Mills, who published his results in the highly regarded
> Fusion Technology Magazine over twenty-four years ago – long before there
> was even a company called Blacklight Power. Mills of course would love to
> have the world ignore this detail about tritium today, since he wants
> nothing to do with anything that smacks of “nuclear” and wishes to
> portray the Sun Cell as completely non-nuclear.
>
> Yet the possibility that tritium occurs as an inherent result of the
> Mills effect will not be erased until he permits an independent observer
> to monitor the experiment for tritium (which has not happened). Any level
> of secrecy creates a problem for eventual certification of the Sun Cell - if
> it should bring the results into the purview of the NRC.
>
> BTW - the legacy of tritium discovery by Mills lives on in US Patent
> 6,024,935 - where the inventor himself quotes many varied and different
> sources to support the discovery of tritium in nickel-light water
> electrolysis (curiously ignoring Claytor and LANL) in favor of:
>
> 1)  Notoya, "Tritium Generation . . . Nickel Electrodes",* Fusion
> Technology*, vol. 26.
>
> 2)  Oka, et. al., "D2O-fueled fusion power reactor using 
> electromagnetically
> induced…Deuterium-tritium reactions--* Fusion Technology*, vol. 16, No.
> 2, Sep. 1989, pp. 263-267.
>
> 3)  Srinivasan, et. al., "Tritium and Excess Heat Generation during
> Electrolysis of Aqueous Solutions of Alkali Salts with Nickel Cathode", 3rd
> Annual Conference on Cold Fusion.
>
> 4)  Chien, et. al., "On an Electrode . . . Tritium and Helium",* J.
> Electroanal Chem.*, 1992, pp. 189-212.
>
> 5)  Storms, et. al., "Electroyltic Tritium Production",* Fusion
> Technology*, vol. 17, Jul. 1990, pp. 680-695.
>

[Vo]:Tritium generation in LENR

[Jones Beene]

Speaking of the Sun-Cell and its early commercialization.

Tritium generation is the gold standard of proof in LENR. There is nothing
else which comes close to the certainty afforded by finding a reaction which
produces tritium at lower energy input. But the experiment itself becomes
radioactive and rather dangerous since tritium is hydrophilic and
carcinogenic -- and is therefore seldom performed today.

The Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) was created to ensure the safe use
of radioactive materials for civilian purposes. The NRC regulates all
commercial uses of nuclear materials, even the small amounts of tritium
(micrograms) used in nuclear medicine.

The signature of tritium is a well-known beta decay with a short and
predictable half-life which cannot happen naturally, and also is easy to
detect with inexpensive meters. Discovery of the tritium signature is thus
rock-solid proof of a nuclear reaction. The signal has been reported many
times in peer reviewed experiments from the early days. These experiments
have been generally ignored by the mainstream.

It may surprise many LENR advocates to learn that one of the first claimants
of tritium production in light water electrolysis was none other than
Randell Mills, who published his results in the highly regarded Fusion
Technology Magazine over twenty-four years ago - long before there was even
a company called Blacklight Power. Mills of course would love to have the
world ignore this detail about tritium today, since he wants nothing to do
with anything that smacks of "nuclear" and wishes to portray the Sun Cell as
completely non-nuclear. 

Yet the possibility that tritium occurs as an inherent result of the Mills
effect will not be erased until he permits an independent observer to
monitor the experiment for tritium (which has not happened). Any level of
secrecy creates a problem for eventual certification of the Sun Cell - if it
should bring the results into the purview of the NRC. 

BTW - the legacy of tritium discovery by Mills lives on in US Patent
6,024,935 - where the inventor himself quotes many varied and different
sources to support the discovery of tritium in nickel-light water
electrolysis (curiously ignoring Claytor and LANL) in favor of:
1)  Notoya, "Tritium Generation . . . Nickel Electrodes", Fusion
Technology, vol. 26. 
2)  Oka, et. al., "D2O-fueled fusion power reactor using
electromagnetically induced.Deuterium-tritium reactions-- Fusion Technology,
vol. 16, No. 2, Sep. 1989, pp. 263-267.
3)  Srinivasan, et. al., "Tritium and Excess Heat Generation during
Electrolysis of Aqueous Solutions of Alkali Salts with Nickel Cathode", 3rd
Annual Conference on Cold Fusion.
4)  Chien, et. al., "On an Electrode . . . Tritium and Helium", J.
Electroanal Chem., 1992, pp. 189-212.
5)  Storms, et. al., "Electroyltic Tritium Production", Fusion
Technology, vol. 17, Jul. 1990, pp. 680-695.

Re: [Vo]:Brilliant Light Power "Industry Day" videos

[Peter Gluck]

Dear Adrian,

please allow me to offer this information to the readers of my blog- with
thanks to you!

peter

On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 3:26 PM, a.ashfield  wrote:

> There are seven videos at https://www.youtube.com/playli
> st?list=PLw1e-SwMe6eJf4Rr32w2UybIWOJ2cODEQ
>
> You can skip the first two that are basic introductions.
> The third video is the longest.  In it Mills describes his theories and
> then goes on to describe the SunCell in detail.
> The fourth video is short and covers independent verification of energy
> out.
> The fifth video describes the engineering firm contracted to turn the
> SunCell into a commercial device.  They forecast they will have a working
> model in Jan 2017,  a basic prototype by mid year and a commercial unit at
> the end of 2017.
> The sixth video covers the design and possibilities for the PV cells to
> convert the light energy into electricity.
> The seventh video cover their marketing strategy,
>
> I thought Mills argued points for his theory well.  I felt the time line
> for commercial production was optimistic but got the impression that this
> time they are serious about making commercial units..
>
>


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Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

[Vo]:Brilliant Light Power "Industry Day" videos

[a.ashfield]

There are seven videos at 
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLw1e-SwMe6eJf4Rr32w2UybIWOJ2cODEQ


You can skip the first two that are basic introductions.
The third video is the longest.  In it Mills describes his theories and 
then goes on to describe the SunCell in detail.

The fourth video is short and covers independent verification of energy out.
The fifth video describes the engineering firm contracted to turn the 
SunCell into a commercial device.  They forecast they will have a 
working model in Jan 2017,  a basic prototype by mid year and a 
commercial unit at the end of 2017.
The sixth video covers the design and possibilities for the PV cells to 
convert the light energy into electricity.

The seventh video cover their marketing strategy,

I thought Mills argued points for his theory well.  I felt the time line 
for commercial production was optimistic but got the impression that 
this time they are serious about making commercial units..