Re: [Vo]:Picking up the pieces

[Che]

On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 9:01 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
> What the Rossi experiments has shown over many years is that LENR in a
lattice is not workable because the reaction cannot be controlled. This
lack of control makes the E-Cat technology untenable. Rossi has realized
this and Rossi is will to let this knowhow fadeaway. The LENR reaction
wants to operate at the boiling point of the metal lattice (nickel) which
is 3000K. LENR is based on activation of nanoparticles in a dusty plasma.
Rossi has struggled to control the LENR reaction at low temperatures but he
always fails because LENR would invariably get to 3000K and meltdown his
reactor. So Rossi finally decided to use reactor structural material that
doesn't melt at 3000K. This material must be an insulator that does not
melt at 3000K. Mills has stumbled on the same reaction and his SunCell runs
at the vapor point of silver at only 2200C. Mills has solved the meltdown
problem is another way, he justs runs everything as a liquid without any
containment. Holmlid is on to the same LENR mechanism. There is nothing
unusual with metalized hydrogen. In the LENR reaction, metalized hydrogen
acts like any other metallic nanoparticle.
>
>
> Using a lattice for LENR is a losing proposition. The dusty plasma
approach to the LENR reaction is the only way to go. I beleive that Rossi
has settled on a high temperature  tube material that works: boron nitride,
a transparent isolator whose melting point is 3000C.



First I've read this (because I barely follow this e-List). Let us hope the
issue is exactly this. But it begs another one: we don't KNOW these things
for sure, *because some/most/all of the actors involved ARE HIDING THESE
FACTS FROM THE PUBLIC*. Because: possibility of huge financial pay-off at
the end of all this Sturm-und-drang for *some* people (them). Also because,
alongside the loot, comes eternal glory for one or a small number of
self-interested individuals...


Point being: this is not Science. This is 'corporate research' : AFAIC the
very bane of Science and the scientific method.
Not to mention being entirely egotistical and anti-democratic.

Re: [Vo]:Picking up the pieces

[Che]

On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:
>
> There is one conclusion that can be drawn.  Rossi submitted all kinds of
information to the court docket, under oath.   The claim against him was
fraud.
>
> The legal burden of proof in a civil case is "preponderance of the
evidence".   IH obviously couldn't even meet that level of proof.
>
> The legal burden of proof in a criminal case is much higher, "beyond a
reasonable doubt".   So if IH couldn't meet the lower standard there is no
chance Rossi is going to be prosecuted for fraud with all that juicy
evidence.  In effect, it is legal proof that Rossi is not a criminal fraud.


That's about the most cogent thing I've read on this e-List in a long time.

Re: [Vo]:Picking up the pieces

[Axil Axil]

Looks like Rossi has gotten over the trial quickly.


   1. JPR
   July 8, 2017 at 7:00 AM
   

   Update?
   2. Andrea Rossi
   July 8, 2017 at 2:55 PM
   

   JPR:
   After the tests of today with my QuarkX I was probably the happiest man
   in the world.
   Warm Regards,
   A.R.


On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> According to Abd... "All claims dropped on both sides. It is as if the
> suit was never filed. All parties bear their own costs. The action of the
> Agreement was the consent of counsel to settlement without any court order
> other than dismissal, which is final."
>
> No agreements were included... so unless they present something otherwise
> in a joint statement, IH retains the original E-Cat License. No money
> changes hands.
>
> As for the future of the litigants, it looks like IH paid about $11
> million ++ for a License which according to them is worthless insofar as it
> was never shown to produce excess heat. Add to that the attorney fees and
> we see why many observers consider IH to be the big loser in this.
>
> That assumes the IP is really worthless, but it may have value in a
> surprising way, even if Rossi could never make it work. Here is the granted
> patent, and there are a number of applications not granted.
>
> https://www.google.com/patents/US9115913
>
> Darden raised much more than his losses on the Rossi fiasco and there is a
> small chance that he could make lemonade out of the Rossi lemons, using
> some of it. An interesting development in all of this will be the course
> that IH takes from here on with the remaining money. They are known to have
> been funding others in LENR all along.
>
> Of course IH could abandon the field altogether, but maybe they have a
> vision which transcends Rossigate. Possibly the best thing that could
> happen is for Randell Mills to demonstrate strong gain in that SunCell
> device. If it turns out that Mills device is arguably nuclear - it will not
> be covered by the hydrino IP. There have already been "inside" rumors that
> recent delays in the "Mills' Roadshow" are due to radioactivity showing up.
> This is expected in LENR but not in hydrino-tech and it could change the IP
> landscape.
>
> Footnote. Rossi's IP covers "Group 10 catalysts" which are nickel,
> palladium and platinum. It does not cover silver, which is being used by
> Mills and is Group 11. Silver is easily activated and perhaps it is
> activated by dense hydrogen. Mills' IP would not cover nuclear reactions.
> This puts him in a bind. If silver is required, but becomes activated, then
> there is an IP storm brewing.
>
> If I were advising Darden, it would be to look at quickly expanding the IP
> to fill the gap which exists when Mills can no longer hide the
> radioactivity of the SunCell.
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned

[Axil Axil]

My view of LENR is predicated on the control of the quarks inside of
matter. If these quarks can be manipulated and managed, control of matter
at any arbitrary distance might one day be possible.

Atomic weapons could be disabled at a distance when the fissile elements
are transmuted into non fissile ones by a muon beam. The atmosphere of
venus could be modified to remove the Co2 so that Venus could be made
habitable.

The core of Mars could be reactivated with nuclear fire to restore the
magnetic shield that once protected its atmosphere in the first step at
terraforming Mars into someplace that can be colonized by mankind. Then Co2
could be created to start a heated atmosphere to heat Mars to livable
temperatures.

The there is near light speed spacecraft engines that become possible to
build that are driven by bear light speed subatomic particles.

The energy source that the work of Holmlid is exploring might prove to make
interstellar travel practicable. Holmlid first assumed that the energy
produced by the reaction he was studding was some sort of hot fusion
reaction activated by laser ignition. But when Holmlid studied the type of
sub atomic particles that were being generated, he recognized that fusion
could not generate the huge amount of power that the reaction was
producing. For example, Holmlid detected Kaon triplet generation. He
postulates that two protons are being destabilized into decay to produce
three kaons and 390 MeV of binding energy. This very same proton decay
reaction was one of the target reaction searched for by the Super-Kamiokande
proton decay detector to prove that protons must decay in support of grand
unification supersymmetric theory.

The proton is assumed to be absolutely stable in the Standard Model.
However, the Grand Unified Theories (GUTs) predict that protons can decay
into lighter energetic charged particles such as electrons, muons, pions or
others which can be observed. Kamiokande helps to rule out some of the
theories. Super-Kamiokande is currently the largest detector for
observation of proton decay.



The proton decay action could increase the energy yield by 100,000 over
what was postulated in the Bussard ramjet interstellar system.


The Bussard ramjet is a theoretical method of interstellar spacecraft
propulsion proposed in 1960 by the physicist Robert W. Bussard. Bussard
proposed a ramjet variant of a fusion rocket capable of reasonable
interstellar travel, using enormous electromagnetic fields (ranging from
kilometers to many thousands of kilometers in diameter) as a ram scoop to
collect and compress hydrogen from the interstellar medium.

When proton decay is used as a power source for the Ramjet, once the
hydrogen is collected, it is isotopically purified and the deuterium is
stored in a separate container. The purified hydrogen then enters storage
to even out the collection of interstellar gas. This storage strategy will
enable the ramjet to maneuver freely in space without concern for
variations in the density of residual hydrogen throughout space. From
storage the hydrogen gas is metered into a Holmlid reaction chamber were
the hydrogen is ignited into a high energy plasma via the catalyzed
reaction.

Since the continued propulsion of a proton powered ramjet spaceship is
dependent on interstellar hydrogen, the nature of interstellar hydrogen is
the main issue of concern when designing such a spaceship. Two aspects of
particular interest are the overall density and the isotopic composition of
the interstellar hydrogen. The overall density controls the rate at which
proton reactions can take place relative to the craft's speed and the size
of the scoop's area. The isotopic composition determines which reaction
pathway is best to use

The interstellar density of hydrogen is 0.86 atoms/cm3. At a minimum, the
energy gain relationship determined by Holmlid  was found to be 390 MeV per
each diproton reaction (two hydrogen atoms). For deuterium fusion, only 10
MeV can be generated per reaction. In the proton reaction, The remainder of
the proton mass and associated electrons are used as reaction mass. From
this info, the scoop volume might be calculated as of function of
spacecraft speed. The faster you go the more hydrogen that you can harvest.

There is a minimum takeoff speed required before the sustainable energy
relationship is met and the scoop volume may be reduced as the Ramjet
accelerates.

There is more mass/energy content in deuterium which is about 1 atom out of
5000 captured.

When fusion produces power for the Ramjet, only deuterium can be used. When
proton decay provides power to the Ramjet, all hydrogen isotopes can be
used and much of the energy content of the protons can be converted into
energy.

Holmlid uses a potassium doped Shell 105 ethylene catalyst with graphene as
a quantum mechanical template on an iridium substrate to produce
ultra-dense hydrogen via a quantum mechanical effect call Rydberg blockade.
Once formed, metallic hydrogen 

Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned

[Che]

They don't call Cold Fusion 'The New Fire', for no reason.

On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Frank Znidarsic  wrote:

> That's good Jed.  If you have read my work cold fusion is a step towards
> control of all of the natural forces.   I will have the same effect as
> Oersted's discovery of electromagnetic induction.
>
> Frank
>
> If cold fusion succeeds I expect it will last much longer than 500 years,
> and ultimately it will have a larger impact than capitalism had. If the
> human race survives for millions of years -- as I hope it will --
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jed Rothwell 
> To: Vortex 
> Sent: Fri, Jul 7, 2017 6:37 pm
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned
>
> I wrote:
>
>
> If I succeed at promoting cold fusion and it becomes generally used, I
> shall play an important role in changing the world more than Marxism and
> Capitalism combined.
>
>
> That sounds like hyperbole, but I mean it. I think that Marxism and
> capitalism are both on their way out. As we have discussed here, I think
> robots and intelligent computers will compel us to adapt a new form of
> economy that is neither capitalist or communist.
>
> Capitalism began around the year 1500, gradually replacing feudalism.
> Communism began around 1850. Both are now in their twilight. I expect that
> by 2100 we will have a new economic system. Unlike every previous system it
> will not mainly depend on the exchange of human labor for goods and
> services. It remains to be seen what it will be like. I hope it will be
> better for everyone, and better for the ecology, but you never know how
> things will turn out.
>
> If cold fusion succeeds I expect it will last much longer than 500 years,
> and ultimately it will have a larger impact than capitalism had. If the
> human race survives for millions of years -- as I hope it will -- over the
> next few million years cold fusion should have roughly the same impact as
> the discovery of fire. Unless something better is discovered.
>
> People who have not read history have the notion that institutions such as
> capitalism, nation states, universities, corporations and so on have been
> part of society forever and they will always be with us. Actually, they are
> recent inventions and there is no reason to think they will continue
> centuries into the future. They will continue as long as people find them
> useful.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned

[Che]

On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 7:04 PM, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:

> One of the cool things about cold fusion in a 500 year outlook is that it
> makes for a very ineffective weapon.   Even fire is a more effective weapon.
>

Oooh... I don't know about that...




You know why potatoes became a crop of choice in Europe?   Because when a
> king's army sieged your castle and burned your crops, there were still
> potatoes in the ground that you could eat and you wouldn't starve to death.
>
>
> Why did the Spanish overtake a continent with a few thousand men while the
> Vikings were vanquished 500 years earlier?   Because the Spanish had
> FIREarms.   They had harnessed gunpowder (for evil purposes, albeit).
>

It was more because they had a more effective level of military and
bureaucratic organization. AND the weapons, of course. However, AND
logistical support which operated at a higher level than any
'pre-Colombian' society could muster.






>
>
> In 500 years there will be LENR cars, widespread cheap desalination, and
> Cold Fusion powered spacecraft.
>


In 500 years -- assuming much -- people will NOT be driving cars of ANY
sort. There will be appropriate levels of mass transportation. If there is
some requirement for a personal vehicle, at some times -- such a vehicle
will be made available, assuredly, for whatever length of time is required.
'Desalination' WILL be a moot point, in a World run on 'holistic',
NON-capitalist methods

But sure. Spacecraft.



And Jed is *still* laffably wrong.

Re: Fw: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned

[Daniel Rocha]

Wasn't it small pox and other viral infections? And yes, it was a non
intended conquering, the same happened in pacific islands, or any place
that did not have contacts with Europe since the ice age. Though, it was
only a matter of time, just like anywhere else in the world. If you go to
places where theses civilizations lived, people do have a phenotype which
is like those of natives. Contrast that with places where there wasn't
civilizations, such South America outside the Andes. People do tend to look
far less native American than anywhere else. I think the death was much
more limited then though, but enough to speed their demise.


2017-07-08 9:20 GMT-03:00 Brian Ahern :

> The Spanish had cholera. It was 100 times as effective as gunpowder.
> --
>
-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned

[Frank Znidarsic]

That's good Jed.  If you have read my work cold fusion is a step towards 
control of all of the natural forces.   I will have the same effect as 
Oersted's discovery of electromagnetic induction.


Frank

If cold fusion succeeds I expect it will last much longer than 500 years, and 
ultimately it will have a larger impact than capitalism had. If the human race 
survives for millions of years -- as I hope it will --




-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell 
To: Vortex 
Sent: Fri, Jul 7, 2017 6:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned



I wrote:

 


If I succeed at promoting cold fusion and it becomes generally used, I shall 
play an important role in changing the world more than Marxism and Capitalism 
combined.




That sounds like hyperbole, but I mean it. I think that Marxism and capitalism 
are both on their way out. As we have discussed here, I think robots and 
intelligent computers will compel us to adapt a new form of economy that is 
neither capitalist or communist.


Capitalism began around the year 1500, gradually replacing feudalism. Communism 
began around 1850. Both are now in their twilight. I expect that by 2100 we 
will have a new economic system. Unlike every previous system it will not 
mainly depend on the exchange of human labor for goods and services. It remains 
to be seen what it will be like. I hope it will be better for everyone, and 
better for the ecology, but you never know how things will turn out.


If cold fusion succeeds I expect it will last much longer than 500 years, and 
ultimately it will have a larger impact than capitalism had. If the human race 
survives for millions of years -- as I hope it will -- over the next few 
million years cold fusion should have roughly the same impact as the discovery 
of fire. Unless something better is discovered.


People who have not read history have the notion that institutions such as 
capitalism, nation states, universities, corporations and so on have been part 
of society forever and they will always be with us. Actually, they are recent 
inventions and there is no reason to think they will continue centuries into 
the future. They will continue as long as people find them useful.


- Jed

Fw: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned

[Brian Ahern]

The Spanish had cholera. It was 100 times as effective as gunpowder.



From: Kevin O'Malley 
Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 7:04 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned

One of the cool things about cold fusion in a 500 year outlook is that it makes 
for a very ineffective weapon.   Even fire is a more effective weapon.

You know why potatoes became a crop of choice in Europe?   Because when a 
king's army sieged your castle and burned your crops, there were still potatoes 
in the ground that you could eat and you wouldn't starve to death.

Why did the Spanish overtake a continent with a few thousand men while the 
Vikings were vanquished 500 years earlier?   Because the Spanish had FIREarms.  
 They had harnessed gunpowder (for evil purposes, albeit).

In 500 years there will be LENR cars, widespread cheap desalination, and Cold 
Fusion powered spacecraft.

On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Jed Rothwell 
> wrote:
I wrote:

If I succeed at promoting cold fusion and it becomes generally used, I shall 
play an important role in changing the world more than Marxism and Capitalism 
combined.

That sounds like hyperbole, but I mean it. I think that Marxism and capitalism 
are both on their way out. As we have discussed here, I think robots and 
intelligent computers will compel us to adapt a new form of economy that is 
neither capitalist or communist.

Capitalism began around the year 1500, gradually replacing feudalism. Communism 
began around 1850. Both are now in their twilight. I expect that by 2100 we 
will have a new economic system. Unlike every previous system it will not 
mainly depend on the exchange of human labor for goods and services. It remains 
to be seen what it will be like. I hope it will be better for everyone, and 
better for the ecology, but you never know how things will turn out.

If cold fusion succeeds I expect it will last much longer than 500 years, and 
ultimately it will have a larger impact than capitalism had. If the human race 
survives for millions of years -- as I hope it will -- over the next few 
million years cold fusion should have roughly the same impact as the discovery 
of fire. Unless something better is discovered.

People who have not read history have the notion that institutions such as 
capitalism, nation states, universities, corporations and so on have been part 
of society forever and they will always be with us. Actually, they are recent 
inventions and there is no reason to think they will continue centuries into 
the future. They will continue as long as people find them useful.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Picking up the pieces

[Axil Axil]

surface plasmon polaritons are balls of light that form on the surface of
all types of metal nanowires. In order for these polaritons to form, the
nanowires must be insulated with an electrically insulating gas like
hydrogen,  polaritons are like ball lightning. When exposed to an intense
electrical field they become activated. The magnetic components of the
light that is contained by these polaritons are converted by this
activation into focused magnetic field lines.

On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 2:29 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_binding_energy
>
> *Nuclear binding energy* is the energy
>  that would be required to
> disassemble the nucleus  of
> an atom  into its component parts.
> These component parts are neutrons 
>  and protons , which are
> collectively called nucleons . The 
> binding
> energy  of nuclei is due to
> the attractive forces that hold these nucleons together, and it is always a
> positive number, since all nuclei would require the expenditure of energy
> to separate them into individual protons and neutrons. The mass
>  of an atomic nucleus is less than
> the sum of the individual masses of the free constituent
>  protons and neutrons
> (according to Einstein's equation E=mc2) and this 'missing mass' is known
> as the mass defect
> , and
> represents the energy that was released when the nucleus was formed.
>
> The energy produced by fusion and fission is excess exergy that comes from
> the reconfiguration of one type of element into another through the
> rearrangement of their nucleons.
>
> On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 2:17 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>> A proton or a neutron is made up of energy as per E=MC2. If a proton or a
>> neutron decays back into energy about 1 giga electron volts of pure energy
>> is produced. In the process of proton decay, Mesons are first produced,
>> they will decay into pions and then muons and finally electrons but along
>> the way of this chain of decays much energy is released as each type of
>> subatomic particle decays into other types.
>>
>> See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton_decay
>>
>> Holmlid has discovered experimentally that protons will decay no matter
>> what science thinks now.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 1:59 AM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
>> bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail  for
>>> Windows 10
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Axil Axil 
>>> *Sent: *Friday, July 7, 2017 11:24 AM
>>> *To: *vortex-l 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Picking up the pieces
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Axil—
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Most of your answers I do not understand because of the use of non
>>> meaningful terms IMHO, for example, proton neutron decay, activated surface
>>> plasmon polaritons, magnetic power, insulating bosonic gas, muon catalyzed
>>> fission, nuclear binding energy is stored, condensation of this energy, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob Cook
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree with much of your assessment of the Rossi effect, what you call
>>> the Rossi reactor.  I   agree that there is a history of high
>>> temperature reactions, but many of these have been associated with the Pd-D
>>> system, which I consider entails a different physical mechanism for the
>>> conversion of potential energy to kinetic energy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> LENR gets its energy from proton and neutron decay caused by intense
>>> nano magnetism. The  physical mechanism involves the generation of
>>> ACTIVATED Surface Plasmon Polaritons that produce intense magnetism which
>>> gain sufficient magnetic power from the formation of a superradiant
>>> superconductive Bose condinsate of SPPs on various types of nanostructures
>>> which include cracks, pits, bumps, nanoparticles, cavitation bubbles, and
>>> in general any nanostructure that can confine electrons for long enough to
>>> become entangled with photons to form polaritons. Most metals will support
>>> this function. An insulating gas is required to produce polaritons on the
>>> surface of these various metals. The insulating gas might need to be
>>> bosonic. Nitrogen will not work and neither will a mixture of protium and
>>> deuterium. Hydrogen in the metallic state produces nanoparticles and is
>>> therefore LENR active.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rossi has developed a reactor (an engineered system which includes a
>>> control system for the important physical parameters—dynamic magnetic and
>>> electric field 

Re: [Vo]:Picking up the pieces

[Axil Axil]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_binding_energy

*Nuclear binding energy* is the energy
 that would be required to
disassemble the nucleus  of
an atom  into its component parts.
These component parts are neutrons 
 and protons , which are collectively
called nucleons . The binding energy
 of nuclei is due to the
attractive forces that hold these nucleons together, and it is always a
positive number, since all nuclei would require the expenditure of energy
to separate them into individual protons and neutrons. The mass
 of an atomic nucleus is less than the
sum of the individual masses of the free constituent
 protons and neutrons
(according to Einstein's equation E=mc2) and this 'missing mass' is known
as the mass defect
, and
represents the energy that was released when the nucleus was formed.

The energy produced by fusion and fission is excess exergy that comes from
the reconfiguration of one type of element into another through the
rearrangement of their nucleons.

On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 2:17 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> A proton or a neutron is made up of energy as per E=MC2. If a proton or a
> neutron decays back into energy about 1 giga electron volts of pure energy
> is produced. In the process of proton decay, Mesons are first produced,
> they will decay into pions and then muons and finally electrons but along
> the way of this chain of decays much energy is released as each type of
> subatomic particle decays into other types.
>
> See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton_decay
>
> Holmlid has discovered experimentally that protons will decay no matter
> what science thinks now.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 1:59 AM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
> bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Mail  for
>> Windows 10
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Axil Axil 
>> *Sent: *Friday, July 7, 2017 11:24 AM
>> *To: *vortex-l 
>> *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Picking up the pieces
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Axil—
>>
>>
>>
>> Most of your answers I do not understand because of the use of non
>> meaningful terms IMHO, for example, proton neutron decay, activated surface
>> plasmon polaritons, magnetic power, insulating bosonic gas, muon catalyzed
>> fission, nuclear binding energy is stored, condensation of this energy, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob Cook
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree with much of your assessment of the Rossi effect, what you call
>> the Rossi reactor.  I   agree that there is a history of high
>> temperature reactions, but many of these have been associated with the Pd-D
>> system, which I consider entails a different physical mechanism for the
>> conversion of potential energy to kinetic energy.
>>
>>
>>
>> LENR gets its energy from proton and neutron decay caused by intense nano
>> magnetism. The  physical mechanism involves the generation of
>> ACTIVATED Surface Plasmon Polaritons that produce intense magnetism which
>> gain sufficient magnetic power from the formation of a superradiant
>> superconductive Bose condinsate of SPPs on various types of nanostructures
>> which include cracks, pits, bumps, nanoparticles, cavitation bubbles, and
>> in general any nanostructure that can confine electrons for long enough to
>> become entangled with photons to form polaritons. Most metals will support
>> this function. An insulating gas is required to produce polaritons on the
>> surface of these various metals. The insulating gas might need to be
>> bosonic. Nitrogen will not work and neither will a mixture of protium and
>> deuterium. Hydrogen in the metallic state produces nanoparticles and is
>> therefore LENR active.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Rossi has developed a reactor (an engineered system which includes a
>> control system for the important physical parameters—dynamic magnetic and
>> electric field intensity, and temperature of the nickel nano-
>> structures—and heat transfer devices/agents) that works to limit the
>> production of energetic particles associated with normal fission or hot
>> fusion reactors and the unstable isotopes such reactions are notorious for.
>>
>>
>>
>> Fusion and fission are produced in LENR as a SECONDARY reaction from muon
>> catalysis at a distance from the primary nucleon decay reaction site.
>> These muons may be entangled with the SPP BEC that produced them and the
>> energy from the fusion and fission is captured at a distance by the SPP BEC
>> where the nuclear binding energy is stored. This energy will form more
>> mesons through particle 

Re: [Vo]:Picking up the pieces

[Axil Axil]

A proton or a neutron is made up of energy as per E=MC2. If a proton or a
neutron decays back into energy about 1 giga electron volts of pure energy
is produced. In the process of proton decay, Mesons are first produced,
they will decay into pions and then muons and finally electrons but along
the way of this chain of decays much energy is released as each type of
subatomic particle decays into other types.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton_decay

Holmlid has discovered experimentally that protons will decay no matter
what science thinks now.



On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 1:59 AM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Axil Axil 
> *Sent: *Friday, July 7, 2017 11:24 AM
> *To: *vortex-l 
> *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Picking up the pieces
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> Axil—
>
>
>
> Most of your answers I do not understand because of the use of non
> meaningful terms IMHO, for example, proton neutron decay, activated surface
> plasmon polaritons, magnetic power, insulating bosonic gas, muon catalyzed
> fission, nuclear binding energy is stored, condensation of this energy, etc.
>
>
>
> Bob Cook
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>
>
>
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>
>
> I agree with much of your assessment of the Rossi effect, what you call
> the Rossi reactor.  I   agree that there is a history of high
> temperature reactions, but many of these have been associated with the Pd-D
> system, which I consider entails a different physical mechanism for the
> conversion of potential energy to kinetic energy.
>
>
>
> LENR gets its energy from proton and neutron decay caused by intense nano
> magnetism. The  physical mechanism involves the generation of
> ACTIVATED Surface Plasmon Polaritons that produce intense magnetism which
> gain sufficient magnetic power from the formation of a superradiant
> superconductive Bose condinsate of SPPs on various types of nanostructures
> which include cracks, pits, bumps, nanoparticles, cavitation bubbles, and
> in general any nanostructure that can confine electrons for long enough to
> become entangled with photons to form polaritons. Most metals will support
> this function. An insulating gas is required to produce polaritons on the
> surface of these various metals. The insulating gas might need to be
> bosonic. Nitrogen will not work and neither will a mixture of protium and
> deuterium. Hydrogen in the metallic state produces nanoparticles and is
> therefore LENR active.
>
>
>
>
>
> Rossi has developed a reactor (an engineered system which includes a
> control system for the important physical parameters—dynamic magnetic and
> electric field intensity, and temperature of the nickel nano-
> structures—and heat transfer devices/agents) that works to limit the
> production of energetic particles associated with normal fission or hot
> fusion reactors and the unstable isotopes such reactions are notorious for.
>
>
>
> Fusion and fission are produced in LENR as a SECONDARY reaction from muon
> catalysis at a distance from the primary nucleon decay reaction site.
> These muons may be entangled with the SPP BEC that produced them and the
> energy from the fusion and fission is captured at a distance by the SPP BEC
> where the nuclear binding energy is stored. This energy will form more
> mesons through particle production. Excess electrons are also produced from
> a condinsation of this energy.
>
>
>
> The BEC radiates both thermal energy (*Hawkins radiation*) and light
> energy (red through XUV) as a side channel reaction.
>
>
>
>
>
> One of the keys to the success of the Rossi reactor R IMHO has been the
> development of  a Ni based nano-particle—a quantum mechanical coherent
> system—which is cooled by Li vapor—to avoid a run-away reaction which you,
> Axil, correctly associate with temperatures around 3000 C.
>
>
>
> In the low temperature LENR reaction, lithium helps in the production of
> metallic hydrogen and lithium nanoparticles.  In the high temperature
> reaction, nickel vapor condinsation produces the nanoparticle. The QuarkX
> just involves nickel and hydrogen.
>
>
>
> The small size of the nano-particles provides a limit to the effects of a
> run-away release of potential energy and  destruction of the reactor or
> more than one nano-particle.  (And no muons or other sub atomic particles
> are produced by the relatively low kinetic energy associated with 3000 C. )
>
>
>
> Muons are always produced in LENR even when the reaction is produced by a
> anisotropic magnet like SnCo5 as in Cravens golden balls at 80C.  The muon
> production rate is proportional to the power output of the reaction. Most
> of the energy produced by LENR comes in the form of muons and electrons
> from particle creation.
>
>
>
> There are many commercial devices that create temperatures above 3000C,
> for example electric arc welders which I have used many times.  They do not
> produce the 

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Kevin O'Malley]

If Rossi's report proves he is a thief then he would be up on charges.

On Friday, July 7, 2017, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Axil Axil  > wrote:
>
> I don't remember writing a post that personally attacked Jed.
>>
>
> Yeah? Who the hell are you accusing of "spin, astroturfing and propaganda
> produced by I.H." if not me? Who else? If you are not accusing me, you are
> accusing other people who support I.H., which is just as bad. You have not
> even READ THE EVIDENCE and yet you are sure that we are spinning
> propaganda!
>
> Whoever you are attacking with these false allegations, take it elsewhere.
>
>
>
>> Both Rossi and IH descended into a war of words, IH more effectively that
>> Rossi.
>>
>
> Bullshit. Rossi is a fraud who tried to steal $267 million from I.H. There
> was no "war of words" because I.H. said practically nothing during the
> entire lawsuit. Nothing! All they did was defend their interests.
>
>
>
>> I hope that the gatekeepers and prominent actors in LENR will guard
>> against any damage that IH is tempted to do to LENR in the same way that
>> they did regarding Defkalion.
>>
>
> I.H. has done a lot of good supporting many researchers. The only person
> who has hurt cold fusion in the last few years is Rossi. YOU can't judge
> because you don't even have the guts to look at Rossi's own report which
> proves he is a thief.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Kevin O'Malley]

The Gamma Ray thing happened in 2013, that was the link I posted.   I am
glad to see someone at MFMP taking this seriously.

On Friday, July 7, 2017, Mark Jurich  wrote:

> I wrote:
>
> Yes, we (MFMP) did pursue the “Gamma Ray Thing” (we made an
> unsuccessful replication attempt, and I myself have not given up on it),
> and we cannot say there was excess heat, because the apparent excess heat
>   was less than the error of the crude calorimeter measurement…
>
>
>
> … I am still trying to convince the group to take another crack at it,
> with a more sophisticated radiation measurement that requires some building
> and a small amount of funding.
>
>
>
> Kevin writes:
>
> That means you have not been pursuing it.   It's been 4 years and
> basically no mention on the MFMP blog.
>
>
>
> I assume here that “you” means MFMP.  MFMP’s Bob Higgins is currently
> performing a series of automated experiments (at least 2 are completed)
> which utilize a NaI Detector (as well as other detectors), also looking for
> the “Gamma Ray Thing” (X-ray signal).  As far as I’m aware, nothing has
> shown up, so far.  Have you been following the experiments on LENR-Forum?
> Each experiment not showing any signal, is interesting information.  We
> still don’t know if the signal could have been an artifact unless we
> reproduce it…
>
>
>
> The Signal (or Gamma Ray Thing), occurred in February of 2016.  The
> replication attempt ended in late May, 2016.  The analysis ended about a
> month after that.  It’s been about 12 months since then. During those 12
> months, MFMP has spent time building Neutron Detectors, beefing up the
> experiment automation for the subsequent experiment (not a replication
> attempt but using the same NaI Detector setup) using the built-up equipment
> (reported on QuantumHeat.Org, but no signal seen), prepping for the Me356 &
> Ecco Tests and performing the Me356 Test (amongst other things)…
>
>
>
> … If “you” meant myself, I’ve been spending every bit of my available time
> in those 12 months, working on a follow-up experiment with a better shot at
> seeing the signal once again, if the group doesn’t see it. I suppose that
> there will come a time when the group realizes that this is the direction
> we should go in, and we all work towards that goal.  In the meantime,  I
> think it’s important for me to give MFMP the space/time it needs to pursue
> other directions it deems as fruitful, until we are all back on the same
> page.  If not, I am happy to continue towards the goal of increasing the
> success of seeing the signal when we are ready to do it.  If there is
> anyone else out there interested in helping out, I am quite open to any
> suggestions and can put you to good use, if desired!  It’s going to require
> yet another round of funding, I’m afraid…
>
>
>
> Kevin further writes:
>
> Even if there is no excess heat, it still was the most promising lead
> -- there is actually an endothermic reaction that lets out radiation.   The
> fact you can throw H2 and Nickel atoms together and end up with a nuclear
> product would change EVERYTHING.
>
>
>
> I agree that this was the most promising lead so far and is the reason I
> have not lost sight of it (and won’t).  I see this signal (if real) as a
> precursor to excess heat, or a bifurcation that leads to no excess heat.
> We have the resources to understand it, if we can only replicate it.  We’ve
> taken a few shots at replication under different conditions using similar
> detection, without success.  Either the signal was an artefact, we need to
> improve the recipe leading up to the event or we need to build a better
> mouse trap.
>
>
>
> Mark Jurich
>

RE: [Vo]:Picking up the pieces

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

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From: Axil Axil
Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 11:24 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Picking up the pieces


Axil—

Most of your answers I do not understand because of the use of non meaningful 
terms IMHO, for example, proton neutron decay, activated surface plasmon 
polaritons, magnetic power, insulating bosonic gas, muon catalyzed fission, 
nuclear binding energy is stored, condensation of this energy, etc.

Bob Cook




I agree with much of your assessment of the Rossi effect, what you call the 
Rossi reactor.  I   agree that there is a history of high 
temperature reactions, but many of these have been associated with the Pd-D 
system, which I consider entails a different physical mechanism for the 
conversion of potential energy to kinetic energy.

LENR gets its energy from proton and neutron decay caused by intense nano 
magnetism. The  physical mechanism involves the generation of ACTIVATED Surface 
Plasmon Polaritons that produce intense magnetism which gain sufficient 
magnetic power from the formation of a superradiant superconductive Bose 
condinsate of SPPs on various types of nanostructures which include cracks, 
pits, bumps, nanoparticles, cavitation bubbles, and in general any 
nanostructure that can confine electrons for long enough to become entangled 
with photons to form polaritons. Most metals will support this function. An 
insulating gas is required to produce polaritons on the surface of these 
various metals. The insulating gas might need to be bosonic. Nitrogen will not 
work and neither will a mixture of protium and deuterium. Hydrogen in the 
metallic state produces nanoparticles and is therefore LENR active.


Rossi has developed a reactor (an engineered system which includes a control 
system for the important physical parameters—dynamic magnetic and electric 
field intensity, and temperature of the nickel nano- structures—and heat 
transfer devices/agents) that works to limit the production of energetic 
particles associated with normal fission or hot fusion reactors and the 
unstable isotopes such reactions are notorious for.

Fusion and fission are produced in LENR as a SECONDARY reaction from muon 
catalysis at a distance from the primary nucleon decay reaction site.  These 
muons may be entangled with the SPP BEC that produced them and the energy from 
the fusion and fission is captured at a distance by the SPP BEC where the 
nuclear binding energy is stored. This energy will form more mesons through 
particle production. Excess electrons are also produced from a condinsation of 
this energy.

The BEC radiates both thermal energy (Hawkins radiation) and light energy (red 
through XUV) as a side channel reaction.


One of the keys to the success of the Rossi reactor R IMHO has been the 
development of  a Ni based nano-particle—a quantum mechanical coherent 
system—which is cooled by Li vapor—to avoid a run-away reaction which you, 
Axil, correctly associate with temperatures around 3000 C.

In the low temperature LENR reaction, lithium helps in the production of 
metallic hydrogen and lithium nanoparticles.  In the high temperature reaction, 
nickel vapor condinsation produces the nanoparticle. The QuarkX just involves 
nickel and hydrogen.

The small size of the nano-particles provides a limit to the effects of a 
run-away release of potential energy and  destruction of the reactor or more 
than one nano-particle.  (And no muons or other sub atomic particles are 
produced by the relatively low kinetic energy associated with 3000 C. )

Muons are always produced in LENR even when the reaction is produced by a 
anisotropic magnet like SnCo5 as in Cravens golden balls at 80C.  The muon 
production rate is proportional to the power output of the reaction. Most of 
the energy produced by LENR comes in the form of muons and electrons from 
particle creation.

There are many commercial devices that create temperatures above 3000C, for 
example electric arc welders which I have used many times.  They do not produce 
the energetic particles or photons you, Axil. are concerned about with respect 
to the “Rossi reactor” IHMO.

Muons are hard to detect. Nitrogen is a LENR poison which may dampen the LENR 
reaction, however.  IMHO, Ken Shoulders has produced SPPs via nanoparticle 
generation via spark discharge. Shoulders thought these solitons (EVO) where 
electron vortexes but they are really polariton vortices.




From: Axil Axil
Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 8:06 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Picking up the pieces

There are multiple third party validations. Rossi's methods and approach have 
been verified in part by his many replicators. This is not to say that Rossi's 
reactor or any LENR reactor for that matter  can be commercialized due to heavy 
subatomic particle emissions.