Re: [Vo]:Pondering epos and implications to the ether
Bob, I had the fortunate experience of spending ample time with Both Donald Hotson and Arthur Manelas. I hosted Don for three days at my home in Massachusetts in 2005. I queried him about many aspects of his EPO model. I shared my early Manelas data with Don shortly before his death and he thought his model could account for the excess electrical power production. Alas, he died weeks later before he could explain his position. From: Bob Higgins Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:38 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Pondering epos and implications to the ether Too bad that Don Hotson is now deceased. It would be wonderful to get his thinking on these questions. While I described a vacuum lattice comprised of epos, each having an elementary magnetic dipole and a freely polarize-able electric dipole at a right angle, I didn't describe the effect of the matter (charges) in the universe that create a cosmic magnetic strain and electric polarization of this vacuum epo lattice. This cosmic strain in the vacuum lattice may be the zero-point energy. It is the effect of this cosmic strain in the vacuum epo lattice upon the epo alignments connecting the charges in real space that causes gravitational and inertial mass. Because of this, it is not clear to me that there would ever be a static negative mass - much to the consternation of Woodward would like to have such exotic matter to create warped space and wormholes. Zero mass is the domain of photons in real space or epos in negative energy space. I am obviously stretching the boundaries of my understanding here of even my own hypothesis. The interesting thing is to presume the hypothesis is true and expand upon it until predictions can be made that would be falsifiable. On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Eric Walker mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com>> wrote: I wrote: Assume with Hotson that there is a negative energy sea with negative energy charges. I wonder whether, contrary to Hotson's wishes, a positive mass would nevertheless fall out of general relativity for such negative energy charges. Even weirder would be a negative mass. The weirdest of all, though, would be no mass. If E = mc^2 is to remain an invariant, it would seem that Hotson must either agree to negative mass: (-E) = (-m)c^2, or have another trick up his sleeve. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Pondering epos and implications to the ether
That's one of the cool characteristics of the epo vacuum lattice that I am proposing. The smaller the scale, the more nonlinear the propagation medium will be. Thus, the smaller the wavelength of the photon, the more nonlinear the medium and the smaller the soliton. On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 9:23 AM, Bob Higgins > wrote: > > The photon cannot be stretched out too far, or an atom would be unable to >> absorb its energy in an acceptable time. >> > > I think this would be the case if the usual four dimensions were > involved. If a further dimension came into play, it is possible to imagine > the surface of the expanding wave having a large (and possibly increasing) > area, while the energy of the photon is transmitted at a specific, > point-like location. > > We already see evidence of photons of different energies having different > cross-sectional areas to their wavefronts. High energy gamma rays interact > with nucleons or even constituents of nucleons, but not atoms as a whole. > Lower energy gamma rays interact with an entire nucleus but not individual > nucleons. Yet lower energy photons interact with and eject electrons from > atomic orbitals but are transparent to nucleuses and nucleons. Photons at > even lower energies are transparent to atoms but interact with antennas and > other macroscopic bodies. In this sense there is an ever-expanding area of > interaction as the photon energy decreases, and vice versa as the energy > increases. > > The limiting case are perhaps the photons involved in extremely low > frequency (ELF) radio waves [1]. Frequencies in the 3 Hz range correspond > to wavelengths of 100,000 km. In my mind that entails a very large area > wavefront. I doubt there is a point-like photon involved in this case. > > Eric > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremely_low_frequency > >
Re: [Vo]:Pondering epos and implications to the ether
On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 9:23 AM, Bob Higgins wrote: The photon cannot be stretched out too far, or an atom would be unable to > absorb its energy in an acceptable time. > I think this would be the case if the usual four dimensions were involved. If a further dimension came into play, it is possible to imagine the surface of the expanding wave having a large (and possibly increasing) area, while the energy of the photon is transmitted at a specific, point-like location. We already see evidence of photons of different energies having different cross-sectional areas to their wavefronts. High energy gamma rays interact with nucleons or even constituents of nucleons, but not atoms as a whole. Lower energy gamma rays interact with an entire nucleus but not individual nucleons. Yet lower energy photons interact with and eject electrons from atomic orbitals but are transparent to nucleuses and nucleons. Photons at even lower energies are transparent to atoms but interact with antennas and other macroscopic bodies. In this sense there is an ever-expanding area of interaction as the photon energy decreases, and vice versa as the energy increases. The limiting case are perhaps the photons involved in extremely low frequency (ELF) radio waves [1]. Frequencies in the 3 Hz range correspond to wavelengths of 100,000 km. In my mind that entails a very large area wavefront. I doubt there is a point-like photon involved in this case. Eric [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremely_low_frequency
[Vo]:Pondering epos and implications to the ether
Too bad that Don Hotson is now deceased. It would be wonderful to get his thinking on these questions. While I described a vacuum lattice comprised of epos, each having an elementary magnetic dipole and a freely polarize-able electric dipole at a right angle, I didn't describe the effect of the matter (charges) in the universe that create a cosmic magnetic strain and electric polarization of this vacuum epo lattice. This cosmic strain in the vacuum lattice may be the zero-point energy. It is the effect of this cosmic strain in the vacuum epo lattice upon the epo alignments connecting the charges in real space that causes gravitational and inertial mass. Because of this, it is not clear to me that there would ever be a static negative mass - much to the consternation of Woodward would like to have such exotic matter to create warped space and wormholes. Zero mass is the domain of photons in real space or epos in negative energy space. I am obviously stretching the boundaries of my understanding here of even my own hypothesis. The interesting thing is to presume the hypothesis is true and expand upon it until predictions can be made that would be falsifiable. On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > I wrote: > > Assume with Hotson that there is a negative energy sea with negative >> energy charges. I wonder whether, contrary to Hotson's wishes, a positive >> mass would nevertheless fall out of general relativity for such negative >> energy charges. Even weirder would be a negative mass. The weirdest of >> all, though, would be *no* mass. >> > > If E = mc^2 is to remain an invariant, it would seem that Hotson must > either agree to negative mass: > > (-E) = (-m)c^2, > > or have another trick up his sleeve. > > Eric > >
[Vo]:Pondering epos and implications to the ether
The photon cannot be stretched out too far, or an atom would be unable to absorb its energy in an acceptable time. The problem with the other speculations about soliton being a description of a photon is that the soliton is only a solution in a NONLINEAR propagation medium - the solution solution does not exist in linear space. Previously, those speculating the soliton solution could not identify what the required nonlinear propagation medium would be. With my proposal of the vacuum being a lattice of epos having an elementary magnetic field dipole, the electric and magnetic field of the photon would cause strain in the lattice whose stress-strain relationship would be highly nonlinear at the small scale. On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 10:57 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Bob Higgins > wrote: > > Some have postulated that the photon is a soliton solution because such a >> solution can be constrained in size and would not naturally spread out in >> propagation. >> > > I wonder about this assumption about photons not spreading out. Perhaps > the spreading out is very gradual and occurs over unfathomably large > distances. That might provide the basis for an alternative explanation to > the Hubble constant and the redshift. > > Eric > >
Re: [Vo]:Pondering epos and implications to the ether
Hi Eric, I think Hotson suggests that epos have 0 mass. As I understand it, only positive energy charges have mass. According to Hotson, protons and neutrons are comprised of electron and positron lattices - perhaps in a stabilized positronium-like cluster. Each of the electron and positron has mass because every charge has mass. Epos loose their mass by becoming a quasi-neutral particle due to orbiting at the Planck scale. However, due to the counter-rotation, epos do appear to have an elementary magnetic dipole, and also have a freely rotate-able electric dipole at right angle to the magnetic axis. I find it fascinating that the most elementary construct of the ether would have magnetic and electric fields constrained at right angles! The epo's electric dipole does not count as a charge termination, hence no mass. Thus, in the vacuum, there are no monopolar charges and no magnetic monopoles. Even the electron in positive energy space (according to Hotson) is not really a monopolar charge. I think he thinks of the electron as a dipolar charge with the positive portion pointing into imaginary space. Think of it as a ball floating on the surface of water. The air-water boundary being the real/imaginary (or real/other-dimension) boundary. The negative charge points into the air and the positive charge points into the water. In the spinor solution of Dirac's equation for the epo, as the electron and positron orbit, they get rotated across this dimensional boundary and switch between being electrons and positrons in synchronism. On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 10:54 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Bob Higgins > wrote: > > Hotson says that only positive energy charges have mass and the epos are >> part of the negative energy sea. >> > > Assume with Hotson that there is a negative energy sea with negative > energy charges. I wonder whether, contrary to Hotson's wishes, a positive > mass would nevertheless fall out of general relativity for such negative > energy charges. Even weirder would be a negative mass. The weirdest of > all, though, would be *no* mass. > > Eric > >
