RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Brian—

I reviewed your reference document that Jones identified.

The potential energy wells for the linear field and non-linear electric fields 
in a
Quantum system are what I would expect in a one dimensional approximation.

However, keep in mind that a local B magnetic field at the location of the 
potential well in a coherent system will cause what is referred to as a 
degenerate system of energy states with additional potential wells at the 
location of the original potential well.  This causes a more restricted area 
where a charge in the area of the potential is allowed to exist.  The 
probability of finding a charge at certain locations is increased.  As the 
charge density increases within a given space, probability of 2 charges getting 
close with effective boundaries over lapping increases as would the likelihood 
of LENR.

If Li-7 and H were in the same potential well, Be-8 may occur with the 
generation of 2 alphas in a subsequent spontaneous fission reaction, which I 
would not classify as a LENR reaction given the high linear momentum of the 
alphas.  However the initial Li-H reaction would be a LENR reaction, since 
there was little or no linear momentum of the of the reactants available to 
initiate the reaction.

Some of the recent theories identified here on Vortex that predict attractive 
forces between like charges at close center-to-center distances may be 
operative in LENR.  Of course the Cooper--pairing  of like charges in a 
magnetic field may also be an effect that initiates LENR in a lattice with 
extreme B fields.  Resonant variation of the B field intensity may improve 
chances of LENR by effecting the overlap of adjacent nucleons.

Metals with high magnetic susceptibility will produce greater  B fields to 
cause a more extreme degeneracy in a potential well as discussed above.

Bob Cook

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From: Brian Ahern 
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 1:14:53 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio


Earlier today Jones referenced my work on energy localization and nanomagnetism 
as a potential explanation for the Manelas device operation,


I never considered that inputing 2 of the three windings around the ferrite 
core could result in a superwave condition.  That makes so much sense. Why 
didn't I think of it.


I wondered how Arthur developed fast rise time pulses with so much inductance.


As usual, I welcome suggestions.



From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 12:50 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio


I agree with the idea of adding a dimension to Holmlid’s laser setup—may be 
expensive however, since lasers with the appropriate frequency may be necessary 
to get good coupling.  Given known quadrupole magnetic moments in various data 
sources for the stable (and unstable} Ni nucleons, picking design parameters 
for the lasers may be easy.



The objective should be to stimulate a target Ni nucleus to a meta stable 
energy spin state, which then is allowed to decay—given the lattice 
coupling---to a new lower potential energy spin state.



This scheme of transmutation of radioactive waste was proposed as an 
alternative in the DOE’s nuclear waste management EIS of the mid 1970’s—1976 as 
I recall.  It was one of several different options considered at that time.   
However, it was dismissed because the necessary technology was not available to 
accomplish the desired stimulation the radioactive waste.  This situation has 
changed with subsequent development of lasers of most any frequency desired.



Two lasers, if in resonance, may provide magnetic quadrupole coupling necessary 
to unlock the potential energy of Ni nucleons of a coherent lattice, just as in 
the Letts-Cravens Pd system.



Conserving linear momentum is not an issue, since the system is not stimulated 
with high linear momentum particles, as is the case in simple two-body nuclear 
interactions.  Thus ionizing radiation is absent, as is the case with LENR.  
Only angular momentum (and total energy) are conserved in an LENR process IMHO.





Bob Cook

From: JonesBeene
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 7:50 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio





I should have mentioned that another wrinkle on superwaves could employ light 
waves - the so-called Letts-Cravens effect where laser irradiation of two 
lasers impinge on a loaded lattice.



AFAIK – Holmlid has always used only one laser.



Perhaps he should superwave it ?



Another wrinkle would be RF + laser. Or 2xRF + laser? Or 2xRF + 2xlaser?









Why superwaves?



A known mechanism for wave amplification in rigid structures is called  “energy 
localization” which can be a feature of nanoscale packing 

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[mixent]

In reply to  mix...@bigpond.com's message of Sun, 03 Dec 2017 13:33:57 +1100:
Hi,

PS - I think this is what I recollect reading some time ago:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_Specific_Impulse_Magnetoplasma_Rocket
Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[mixent]

In reply to  Bob Higgins's message of Sat, 2 Dec 2017 07:01:42 -0700:
Hi Bob,
[snip]
>Hi Robin,  Can you supply a link?  The only thing I can find with ion
>thrusters is that the magnetic field is used to prevent the ions from
>striking the side walls.  I didn't find anything that suggests that a
>magnetic field can turn high energy ion trajectories from an
>omnidirectional source into unidirectional thrust.  Magnetic fields only
>make the ion path curl.
>
>BH
This appears to be relevant:- https://patents.google.com/patent/US7482597B2/en

See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetoplasmadynamic_thruster

Try Googling "MPD thrusters"

Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[mixent]

In reply to  Bob Higgins's message of Sat, 2 Dec 2017 07:01:42 -0700:
Hi Bob,
[snip]
>Hi Robin,  Can you supply a link?  The only thing I can find with ion
>thrusters is that the magnetic field is used to prevent the ions from
>striking the side walls.  I didn't find anything that suggests that a
>magnetic field can turn high energy ion trajectories from an
>omnidirectional source into unidirectional thrust.  Magnetic fields only
>make the ion path curl.
>
>BH
I'll see what I can dig up. IIRC, the field is more intense at the point of the
V and less at the other (open) end. The result is that charged particles
"bounce" where the field is intense, and escape at the other end, with a net
thrust applied to the rocket via the magnetic field.
You see a similar phenomenon with the charged particles in the Van Allen belts,
where they oscillate back and forth between the Earth's magnetic poles.

The jets (particle streams) emitted by some black holes may be another example.

Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[Brian Ahern]

Earlier today Jones referenced my work on energy localization and nanomagnetism 
as a potential explanation for the Manelas device operation,


I never considered that inputing 2 of the three windings around the ferrite 
core could result in a superwave condition.  That makes so much sense. Why 
didn't I think of it.


I wondered how Arthur developed fast rise time pulses with so much inductance.


As usual, I welcome suggestions.



From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 12:50 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio


I agree with the idea of adding a dimension to Holmlid’s laser setup—may be 
expensive however, since lasers with the appropriate frequency may be necessary 
to get good coupling.  Given known quadrupole magnetic moments in various data 
sources for the stable (and unstable} Ni nucleons, picking design parameters 
for the lasers may be easy.



The objective should be to stimulate a target Ni nucleus to a meta stable 
energy spin state, which then is allowed to decay—given the lattice 
coupling---to a new lower potential energy spin state.



This scheme of transmutation of radioactive waste was proposed as an 
alternative in the DOE’s nuclear waste management EIS of the mid 1970’s—1976 as 
I recall.  It was one of several different options considered at that time.   
However, it was dismissed because the necessary technology was not available to 
accomplish the desired stimulation the radioactive waste.  This situation has 
changed with subsequent development of lasers of most any frequency desired.



Two lasers, if in resonance, may provide magnetic quadrupole coupling necessary 
to unlock the potential energy of Ni nucleons of a coherent lattice, just as in 
the Letts-Cravens Pd system.



Conserving linear momentum is not an issue, since the system is not stimulated 
with high linear momentum particles, as is the case in simple two-body nuclear 
interactions.  Thus ionizing radiation is absent, as is the case with LENR.  
Only angular momentum (and total energy) are conserved in an LENR process IMHO.





Bob Cook

From: JonesBeene
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 7:50 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio





I should have mentioned that another wrinkle on superwaves could employ light 
waves - the so-called Letts-Cravens effect where laser irradiation of two 
lasers impinge on a loaded lattice.



AFAIK – Holmlid has always used only one laser.



Perhaps he should superwave it ?



Another wrinkle would be RF + laser. Or 2xRF + laser? Or 2xRF + 2xlaser?









Why superwaves?



A known mechanism for wave amplification in rigid structures is called  “energy 
localization” which can be a feature of nanoscale packing of hydrogen in a 
lattice. When stimulated with two waveforms at different frequencies, a 
paradigm shift can be engineered on the vibrational modes of bound particles 
(protons in a lattice). Nuclear reactions can happen in rare cases, but even 
without them thermal gain is possible at the nanoscale in blatant violation to 
the Laws or Thermodynamics. This is essentially proved but scaling up to useful 
levels is not proved.



In the Schrödinger equation you can find the term for quantum kinetic energy as 
the second derivative of the wave function for place. The closer the particle 
is confined, the greater the curvature of its wave function and the greater is 
its quantum kinetic energy (the energy localization). It can be a power law 
increase, see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_Schr%C3%B6dinger_equation



In simpler terms, Quantum kinetic energy is the kinetic energy with which bound 
protons move through the lattice - and this energy can be nonlinear wrt input. 
The Heisenberg uncertainty principle dictates that the closer the particle is 
confined, the smaller its freedom of movement Δx and thus - the more violent it 
wriggles back and forth, and the greater is his  Δp . Intersecting waveforms 
can provide the increased confinement and the resultant gain is the theory 
behind the “superwave”.



RE: GRANTED US patent which cites the Dardik superwave patent



https://encrypted.google.com/patents/US9540960



It is n

RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

I agree with the idea of adding a dimension to Holmlid’s laser setup—may be 
expensive however, since lasers with the appropriate frequency may be necessary 
to get good coupling.  Given known quadrupole magnetic moments in various data 
sources for the stable (and unstable} Ni nucleons, picking design parameters 
for the lasers may be easy.

The objective should be to stimulate a target Ni nucleus to a meta stable 
energy spin state, which then is allowed to decay—given the lattice 
coupling---to a new lower potential energy spin state.

This scheme of transmutation of radioactive waste was proposed as an 
alternative in the DOE’s nuclear waste management EIS of the mid 1970’s—1976 as 
I recall.  It was one of several different options considered at that time.   
However, it was dismissed because the necessary technology was not available to 
accomplish the desired stimulation the radioactive waste.  This situation has 
changed with subsequent development of lasers of most any frequency desired.

Two lasers, if in resonance, may provide magnetic quadrupole coupling necessary 
to unlock the potential energy of Ni nucleons of a coherent lattice, just as in 
the Letts-Cravens Pd system.

Conserving linear momentum is not an issue, since the system is not stimulated 
with high linear momentum particles, as is the case in simple two-body nuclear 
interactions.  Thus ionizing radiation is absent, as is the case with LENR.  
Only angular momentum (and total energy) are conserved in an LENR process IMHO.


Bob Cook
From: JonesBeene
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 7:50 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio


I should have mentioned that another wrinkle on superwaves could employ light 
waves - the so-called Letts-Cravens effect where laser irradiation of two 
lasers impinge on a loaded lattice.

AFAIK – Holmlid has always used only one laser.

Perhaps he should superwave it ?

Another wrinkle would be RF + laser. Or 2xRF + laser? Or 2xRF + 2xlaser?




Why superwaves?

A known mechanism for wave amplification in rigid structures is called  “energy 
localization” which can be a feature of nanoscale packing of hydrogen in a 
lattice. When stimulated with two waveforms at different frequencies, a 
paradigm shift can be engineered on the vibrational modes of bound particles 
(protons in a lattice). Nuclear reactions can happen in rare cases, but even 
without them thermal gain is possible at the nanoscale in blatant violation to 
the Laws or Thermodynamics. This is essentially proved but scaling up to useful 
levels is not proved.

In the Schrödinger equation you can find the term for quantum kinetic energy as 
the second derivative of the wave function for place. The closer the particle 
is confined, the greater the curvature of its wave function and the greater is 
its quantum kinetic energy (the energy localization). It can be a power law 
increase, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_Schr%C3%B6dinger_equation

In simpler terms, Quantum kinetic energy is the kinetic energy with which bound 
protons move through the lattice - and this energy can be nonlinear wrt input. 
The Heisenberg uncertainty principle dictates that the closer the particle is 
confined, the smaller its freedom of movement Δx and thus - the more violent it 
wriggles back and forth, and the greater is his  Δp . Intersecting waveforms 
can provide the increased confinement and the resultant gain is the theory 
behind the “superwave”.

RE: GRANTED US patent which cites the Dardik superwave patent

https://encrypted.google.com/patents/US9540960

It is no coincidence that Energetics, Violante, McKubre,  Chauvin, Rossi, 
Brillouin, Kimmel group, etc, all employed similar interfering and 
self-amplifying RF waveforms as input power.

Even if Rossi’s recent effort was a null result, the Euro Patent from Dardik 
(El-Boher et al)  provides a known mechanism for wave power amplification 
-“energy localization” which is a feature of nanoscale packing of hydrogen in a 
lattice. Generally the COP is limited to a low range using this mechanism but 
it can be gainful without nuclear reactions. It is also difficult to scale up. 
See:

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/AhernBSenergyloca.pdf

RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jones—

Nice research—superwaves.

I like the idea that proton motion in a lattice is considered to entail kinetic 
energy.   Here is one more mechanism for sharing potential energy of a coherent 
system—the lattice of Pd or Ni atoms and all its constituents---with the 
potential energy of the system’s EM and gravitational fields coupling the 
various constituents.

The non-linearity makes it hard to accept by those old folks not familiar with 
the math and calculational  schemes used these days to evaluate a multi-bodied 
coherent systems, yet seems to imply exact solutions to the QM wave equation.

Rossi’s power supply may be designed to provide EM superwaves that resonate 
with the H in the Ni lattice of his QX reactor.  (I know that is a stretch for 
many Vorts.)

Bob Cook



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From: JonesBeene 
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 7:24:08 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio


Why superwaves?

A known mechanism for wave amplification in rigid structures is called  “energy 
localization” which can be a feature of nanoscale packing of hydrogen in a 
lattice. When stimulated with two waveforms at different frequencies, a 
paradigm shift can be engineered on the vibrational modes of bound particles 
(protons in a lattice). Nuclear reactions can happen in rare cases, but even 
without them thermal gain is possible at the nanoscale in blatant violation to 
the Laws or Thermodynamics. This is essentially proved but scaling up to useful 
levels is not proved.

In the Schrödinger equation you can find the term for quantum kinetic energy as 
the second derivative of the wave function for place. The closer the particle 
is confined, the greater the curvature of its wave function and the greater is 
its quantum kinetic energy (the energy localization). It can be a power law 
increase, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_Schr%C3%B6dinger_equation

In simpler terms, Quantum kinetic energy is the kinetic energy with which bound 
protons move through the lattice - and this energy can be nonlinear wrt input. 
The Heisenberg uncertainty principle dictates that the closer the particle is 
confined, the smaller its freedom of movement Δx and thus - the more violent it 
wriggles back and forth, and the greater is his  Δp . Intersecting waveforms 
can provide the increased confinement and the resultant gain is the theory 
behind the “superwave”.



RE: GRANTED US patent which cites the Dardik superwave patent

https://encrypted.google.com/patents/US9540960

It is no coincidence that Energetics, Violante, McKubre,  Chauvin, Rossi, 
Brillouin, Kimmel group, etc, all employed similar interfering and 
self-amplifying RF waveforms as input power.

Even if Rossi’s recent effort was a null result, the Euro Patent from Dardik 
(El-Boher et al)  provides a known mechanism for wave power amplification 
-“energy localization” which is a feature of nanoscale packing of hydrogen in a 
lattice. Generally the COP is limited to a low range using this mechanism but 
it can be gainful without nuclear reactions. It is also difficult to scale up. 
See:

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/AhernBSenergyloca.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[Adrian Ashfield]

 Adrian Ashfield
December 1, 2017 at 11:20 AM

Dear Andrea Rossi:
You say the E-Cat QX worked at limited power during the Stockholm event at the 

IVA (20 W). What is its real power?
Regards,
Adrian Ashfield


Andrea Rossi
December 1, 2017 at 12:31 PM

Adrian Ashfield:
Average 60 W, max for continuous operation 100 W
Warm Regards,
A.R.

RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[JonesBeene]

I should have mentioned that another wrinkle on superwaves could employ light 
waves - the so-called Letts-Cravens effect where laser irradiation of two 
lasers impinge on a loaded lattice.

AFAIK – Holmlid has always used only one laser.

Perhaps he should superwave it ?

Another wrinkle would be RF + laser. Or 2xRF + laser? Or 2xRF + 2xlaser?




Why superwaves?

A known mechanism for wave amplification in rigid structures is called  “energy 
localization” which can be a feature of nanoscale packing of hydrogen in a 
lattice. When stimulated with two waveforms at different frequencies, a 
paradigm shift can be engineered on the vibrational modes of bound particles 
(protons in a lattice). Nuclear reactions can happen in rare cases, but even 
without them thermal gain is possible at the nanoscale in blatant violation to 
the Laws or Thermodynamics. This is essentially proved but scaling up to useful 
levels is not proved. 

In the Schrödinger equation you can find the term for quantum kinetic energy as 
the second derivative of the wave function for place. The closer the particle 
is confined, the greater the curvature of its wave function and the greater is 
its quantum kinetic energy (the energy localization). It can be a power law 
increase, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_Schr%C3%B6dinger_equation

In simpler terms, Quantum kinetic energy is the kinetic energy with which bound 
protons move through the lattice - and this energy can be nonlinear wrt input. 
The Heisenberg uncertainty principle dictates that the closer the particle is 
confined, the smaller its freedom of movement Δx and thus - the more violent it 
wriggles back and forth, and the greater is his  Δp . Intersecting waveforms 
can provide the increased confinement and the resultant gain is the theory 
behind the “superwave”.


RE: GRANTED US patent which cites the Dardik superwave patent

https://encrypted.google.com/patents/US9540960

It is no coincidence that Energetics, Violante, McKubre,  Chauvin, Rossi, 
Brillouin, Kimmel group, etc, all employed similar interfering and 
self-amplifying RF waveforms as input power.

Even if Rossi’s recent effort was a null result, the Euro Patent from Dardik 
(El-Boher et al)  provides a known mechanism for wave power amplification 
-“energy localization” which is a feature of nanoscale packing of hydrogen in a 
lattice. Generally the COP is limited to a low range using this mechanism but 
it can be gainful without nuclear reactions. It is also difficult to scale up. 
See:

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/AhernBSenergyloca.pdf

 

RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[JonesBeene]

Why superwaves?

A known mechanism for wave amplification in rigid structures is called  “energy 
localization” which can be a feature of nanoscale packing of hydrogen in a 
lattice. When stimulated with two waveforms at different frequencies, a 
paradigm shift can be engineered on the vibrational modes of bound particles 
(protons in a lattice). Nuclear reactions can happen in rare cases, but even 
without them thermal gain is possible at the nanoscale in blatant violation to 
the Laws or Thermodynamics. This is essentially proved but scaling up to useful 
levels is not proved. 

In the Schrödinger equation you can find the term for quantum kinetic energy as 
the second derivative of the wave function for place. The closer the particle 
is confined, the greater the curvature of its wave function and the greater is 
its quantum kinetic energy (the energy localization). It can be a power law 
increase, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_Schr%C3%B6dinger_equation

In simpler terms, Quantum kinetic energy is the kinetic energy with which bound 
protons move through the lattice - and this energy can be nonlinear wrt input. 
The Heisenberg uncertainty principle dictates that the closer the particle is 
confined, the smaller its freedom of movement Δx and thus - the more violent it 
wriggles back and forth, and the greater is his  Δp . Intersecting waveforms 
can provide the increased confinement and the resultant gain is the theory 
behind the “superwave”.



RE: GRANTED US patent which cites the Dardik superwave patent

https://encrypted.google.com/patents/US9540960

It is no coincidence that Energetics, Violante, McKubre,  Chauvin, Rossi, 
Brillouin, Kimmel group, etc, all employed similar interfering and 
self-amplifying RF waveforms as input power.

Even if Rossi’s recent effort was a null result, the Euro Patent from Dardik 
(El-Boher et al)  provides a known mechanism for wave power amplification 
-“energy localization” which is a feature of nanoscale packing of hydrogen in a 
lattice. Generally the COP is limited to a low range using this mechanism but 
it can be gainful without nuclear reactions. It is also difficult to scale up. 
See:

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/AhernBSenergyloca.pdf

 

[Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

[Bob Higgins]

Hi Robin,  Can you supply a link?  The only thing I can find with ion
thrusters is that the magnetic field is used to prevent the ions from
striking the side walls.  I didn't find anything that suggests that a
magnetic field can turn high energy ion trajectories from an
omnidirectional source into unidirectional thrust.  Magnetic fields only
make the ion path curl.

BH

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 6:32 PM,  wrote:

> In reply to  Bob Higgins's message of Fri, 1 Dec 2017 16:48:01 -0700:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >I cannot comprehend a magnetic field configuration that would
> unidirectionally focus an omnidirectional emission of alpha particles.  If
> you had such a thing it would be useful for making radioisotope alpha
> emitter batteries.
>
> It's a funnel shaped magnetic field. Look up the latest advances in ion
> propulsion.
> Regards,
>
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> local asymmetry = temporary success
>
>