Re: [Vo]:Roger Green - Interview of one of the first investors in Andrea Rossi
Is anyone surprised? On Thursday, May 16th, 2024 at 2:44 PM, Joe Hughes wrote: > I found this interesting and thought I would share: > https://youtu.be/Xh-fHzNQrO0?si=lqZwy5yP9AcRvswf > > Best Regards, > Joe
Re: [Vo]:ICCF24 proceedings uploaded
Thanks, Jed. That's a hell of a lot of reading. M. On Wednesday, May 1st, 2024 at 2:50 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > See: > > JOURNAL OF CONDENSED MATTER NUCLEAR SCIENCE > > Experiments and Methods in Cold Fusion > Proceedings of ICCF24 Solid State Energy Summit, Mountain View, California, > July 25–28, 2022 > > VOLUME 38, May 2024 > > https://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BiberianJPjcondensedzk.pdf > > I have not added this title or individual papers to the index. That will take > a while. I figured readers here will want to see this now. > > - Jed
Re: [Vo]:New vaporizing effect discovered
Nice to see someone else got around to discovering this effect. I observed this phenomenon 15 or 20 years ago, using a 532 nm laser. As these dorks will finally get around to discovering, this effect varies greatly with the refractive index of the material and the degree of polarity. Nitromethane has a very strong response at longer wavelengths. As far as the greatest effect happening at 45 degrees, it's probably really 53 degrees, Brewster's angle for water. As you move the laser across the surface the liquid, you can see a deflection of the reflection following the spot of contact. Easy to do, anyone can do it. I finally gave up long ago, trying to convince credentialed physicists of some of my strange discoveries. Submitting papers to science publications is useless for me, as I discovered decades ago, no credentials. I once had a physicist at UCLA who would agree to put his name on one of my discoveries so it could be published, but he had the bad taste to die on me. I can't be the only one to have discovered this phenomenon long ago, but it's one of those things you sort of think, "So what?" On Saturday, April 27th, 2024 at 2:35 PM, H L V wrote: > How light can vaporize water without the need for heat > > > Researchers discovered that light can cause evaporation of water from a > surface without the need for heat. This 'photomolecular effect' could be > important for understanding climate change and for improving some industrial > processes. > > https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/04/240424160652.htm > > quote: > "The effect is strongest when light hits the water surface at an angle of 45 > degrees. It is also strongest with a certain type of polarization, called > transverse magnetic polarization. And it peaks in green light -- which, > oddly, is the color for which water is most transparent and thus interacts > the least. > Chen and his co-researchers have proposed a physical mechanism that can > explain the angle and polarization dependence of the effect, showing that the > photons of light can impart a net force on water molecules at the water > surface that is sufficient to knock them loose from the body of water. But > they cannot yet account for the color dependence, which they say will require > further study." > > Harry
Re: [Vo]:Faraday's understanding of light in a vacuum vs the Michelson-Morley experiment
Faraday's message to Maxwell parallels Aristotle's complaint about the Egyptians. Aristotle implied words to the effect that the ancient Egyptians thought that the physical world should obey mathematics instead of math describing reality. There's a lot of that going on today. The so-called standard model is, in my opinion, a mathematical castle in the air. On Tuesday, April 16th, 2024 at 5:14 AM, H L V wrote: > Faraday wrote this 10 years before Maxwell published his first work on > electromgnetism in 1856 which was titled "On Faraday's lines of Force" > Maxwell's equations were first published in 1862. It seems Maxwell > interpreted Faraday's writings in a manner that was consistent with an aether. > > I would say Faraday was frustrated by Maxwell's mathematical treatment of his > work. Since he could not comprehend it he could not judge it. > Here is a passage from a letter Faraday wrote to Maxwell asking all > mathematically adept theoreticians to express themselves in terms an > experimentalist can understand: > > "There is one thing I would be glad to ask you. When a mathematician engaged > in investigating physical actions and results has arrived at his own > conclusions, may they not be expressed in common language as fully, clearly, > and definitely as in mathematical formula? If so, would it not be a great > boon to such as we to express them so—translating them out of their > hieroglyphics that we also might work upon them by experiment. I think it > must be so, because I have always found that you could convey to me a > perfectly clear idea of your conclusions, which, though they may give me no > full understanding of the steps of your process, gave me the results neither > above nor below the truth, and so clear in character that I can think and > work from them. > If this be possible, would it not be a good thing if mathematicians, writing > on these subjects, were to give us their results in this popular useful > working state as well as in that which is their own and proper to them?" > > Harry > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 11:17 PM MSF wrote: > >> Hmmm... A year after Maxwell's equations. Maxwell can't have been too happy >> about that, as his equations described the behavior of the aether. And he >> repeatedly claimed that he had merely expressed Faraday in conventional >> mathematical form. >> On Monday, April 15th, 2024 at 8:04 PM, MSF wrote: >> >>> This gives you an idea what a deep thinker Faraday was. Do you know if he >>> posited this idea before Maxwell published his equations? I thought I had >>> read everything Faraday wrote. Somehow I missed this one. >>> >>> MIchael >>> On Monday, April 15th, 2024 at 12:08 PM, H L V wrote: >>> >>>> This is a quote from a letter written by Michael Faraday to Richard >>>> Philips on April 15, 1846 (bold letters were added by me) >>>> >>>> "The view which I am so bold to put forth considers, therefore, radiation >>>> as a kind of species of vibration in the lines of force which are known to >>>> connect particles and also masses of matter together. It endeavors to >>>> dismiss the aether, but not the vibration. The kind of vibration which, I >>>> believe, can alone account for the wonderful, varied, and beautiful >>>> phaenomena of polarization, is not the same as that which occurs on the >>>> surface of disturbed water, or the waves of sound in gases or liquids, for >>>> the vibrations in these cases are direct, or to and from the centre of >>>> action, whereas the former are lateral. It seems to me, that the resultant >>>> of two or more lines of force is in an apt condition for that action which >>>> may be considered as equivalent to a lateral vibration; whereas a uniform >>>> medium, like the aether, does not appear apt, or more apt than air or >>>> water." >>>> >>>> The idea of an aether which exists independently of matter and fills the >>>> vacuum is what the Michelson-Morely experiment was designed to detect. >>>> However, if I am reading Faraday correctly he is saying that the >>>> transmission of light depends on the source and the receiver being linked >>>> together by "lines of force". Unlike the hypothesized aether, Faraday's >>>> lines of force have _no_ existence independent of charged particles. While >>>> the MM apparatus is being built the lines of force would be constantly >>>> morphing but once the apparatus was complete they would quickly settle >>>> down into static lines. When the experiment begins the lines of force >>>> between the mirrors can be likened to straight fibre optic cables between >>>> the mirrors. At this stage since the lines of force would be moving in >>>> tandem with the entire apparatus Faraday's qualitative theory predicts the >>>> observed null result of the Michelson-Morely experiment. >>>> >>>> Harry >>>> >>>> Harry
Re: [Vo]:Faraday's understanding of light in a vacuum vs the Michelson-Morley experiment
Hmmm... A year after Maxwell's equations. Maxwell can't have been too happy about that, as his equations described the behavior of the aether. And he repeatedly claimed that he had merely expressed Faraday in conventional mathematical form. On Monday, April 15th, 2024 at 8:04 PM, MSF wrote: > This gives you an idea what a deep thinker Faraday was. Do you know if he > posited this idea before Maxwell published his equations? I thought I had > read everything Faraday wrote. Somehow I missed this one. > > MIchael > On Monday, April 15th, 2024 at 12:08 PM, H L V wrote: > >> This is a quote from a letter written by Michael Faraday to Richard Philips >> on April 15, 1846 (bold letters were added by me) >> >> "The view which I am so bold to put forth considers, therefore, radiation as >> a kind of species of vibration in the lines of force which are known to >> connect particles and also masses of matter together. It endeavors to >> dismiss the aether, but not the vibration. The kind of vibration which, I >> believe, can alone account for the wonderful, varied, and beautiful >> phaenomena of polarization, is not the same as that which occurs on the >> surface of disturbed water, or the waves of sound in gases or liquids, for >> the vibrations in these cases are direct, or to and from the centre of >> action, whereas the former are lateral. It seems to me, that the resultant >> of two or more lines of force is in an apt condition for that action which >> may be considered as equivalent to a lateral vibration; whereas a uniform >> medium, like the aether, does not appear apt, or more apt than air or water." >> >> The idea of an aether which exists independently of matter and fills the >> vacuum is what the Michelson-Morely experiment was designed to detect. >> However, if I am reading Faraday correctly he is saying that the >> transmission of light depends on the source and the receiver being linked >> together by "lines of force". Unlike the hypothesized aether, Faraday's >> lines of force have _no_ existence independent of charged particles. While >> the MM apparatus is being built the lines of force would be constantly >> morphing but once the apparatus was complete they would quickly settle down >> into static lines. When the experiment begins the lines of force between the >> mirrors can be likened to straight fibre optic cables between the mirrors. >> At this stage since the lines of force would be moving in tandem with the >> entire apparatus Faraday's qualitative theory predicts the observed null >> result of the Michelson-Morely experiment. >> >> Harry >> >> Harry
Re: [Vo]:Faraday's understanding of light in a vacuum vs the Michelson-Morley experiment
This gives you an idea what a deep thinker Faraday was. Do you know if he posited this idea before Maxwell published his equations? I thought I had read everything Faraday wrote. Somehow I missed this one. MIchael On Monday, April 15th, 2024 at 12:08 PM, H L V wrote: > This is a quote from a letter written by Michael Faraday to Richard Philips > on April 15, 1846 (bold letters were added by me) > > "The view which I am so bold to put forth considers, therefore, radiation as > a kind of species of vibration in the lines of force which are known to > connect particles and also masses of matter together. It endeavors to dismiss > the aether, but not the vibration. The kind of vibration which, I believe, > can alone account for the wonderful, varied, and beautiful phaenomena of > polarization, is not the same as that which occurs on the surface of > disturbed water, or the waves of sound in gases or liquids, for the > vibrations in these cases are direct, or to and from the centre of action, > whereas the former are lateral. It seems to me, that the resultant of two or > more lines of force is in an apt condition for that action which may be > considered as equivalent to a lateral vibration; whereas a uniform medium, > like the aether, does not appear apt, or more apt than air or water." > > The idea of an aether which exists independently of matter and fills the > vacuum is what the Michelson-Morely experiment was designed to detect. > However, if I am reading Faraday correctly he is saying that the transmission > of light depends on the source and the receiver being linked together by > "lines of force". Unlike the hypothesized aether, Faraday's lines of force > have _no_ existence independent of charged particles. While the MM apparatus > is being built the lines of force would be constantly morphing but once the > apparatus was complete they would quickly settle down into static lines. When > the experiment begins the lines of force between the mirrors can be likened > to straight fibre optic cables between the mirrors. At this stage since the > lines of force would be moving in tandem with the entire apparatus Faraday's > qualitative theory predicts the observed null result of the Michelson-Morely > experiment. > > Harry > > Harry
[Vo]:Mr Bean blamed for poor EV sales
This is hilarious. Trying to blame Rowan Atkinson for failing EV sales. Couldn't be that frozen Tesla graveyard in Chicago. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/02/07/mr-bean-star-rowan-atkinson-blamed-for-slow-ev-sales/
Re: [Vo]:Colours with a twist
One other thing. If you aim a laser into the inside of a transparent tube, you get that barber pole effect spiraling around at a greater or lesser frequency depending on the angle of the beam into the interior of the tube. So that may explain the barber pole in the video. --- Original Message --- On Thursday, September 21st, 2023 at 9:05 PM, MSF wrote: > I can't even begin to express how conceptually and experimentally wrong this > demonstration is. The first thing is the perpetuation of the mistaken idea > that photons are wiggling in a sinusiodal fashion. When you see that sine > wave, it's a graph of the varying field as the wave propagates. It's not the > wave itself. This is such a common miscommunication that physics students > often have a hard time getting over it. > > Just for the sake of context, this guy should have at least mentioned the > practical application of this phenomenon, which is the polarizing > saccharimeter. Wine makers, for example, use this device to measure the > amount of dextrose (glucose) in grape juice so they can harvest the grapes at > their peak. So next time you're enjoying that glass of wine, think, > "Mmm...saccharimeter." > > The experimental setup in this demonstration has, in my opinion, a fatal > flaw. The light source seems to be too broad to test the phenomenon. > Furthermore it appears to be tilted at an angle at the entrance to the tube. > Both of these factors will have the light glancing off the interior of the > tube. At least some of the light will be at Brewster's angle for the > interface between the sugar solution and the tube. So the interior of the > tube becomes its own polarizer. > > Another thing that should have been mentioned is that the light, while > circularly polarized in the sugar solution, emerges linearly polarized. Maybe > that's obvious, but it should have been stated. > Having said all that, it's a hell of a beautiful demonstration. It should be > repeated with a narrow beam of light just to see the results. > > --- Original Message --- > On Sunday, September 10th, 2023 at 1:15 AM, H L V > wrote: > >> The well known mathematics youtuber 3Blue1Brown recently published two >> interesting videos on polarized light passing through a clear glass tube >> filled with dissolved sugar in water. (He is working on a third video.) >> Normally he explains mathematical concepts with nicely rendered visual >> explanations so the inclusion of a physical demo is something new for his >> channel. The mathematical explanation offered in part 2 seems to >> qualitatively account for what is observed in part 1 but there is a lively >> discussion in the comment section on part 2 where it is pointed out that his >> explanation makes a prediction that he acknowledges is not actually >> observed. I enjoy it when textbook science bumps up against reality! It will >> be interesting to see if he can account for this theoretical weakness in his >> third video. >> >> This demo tests your understanding of light | Barber pole, part 1 >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCX62YJCmGk >> >> This demo tests your understanding of light | Barber pole, part 2 >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXRTczANuIs=0s >> >> Harry
Re: [Vo]:Colours with a twist
I can't even begin to express how conceptually and experimentally wrong this demonstration is. The first thing is the perpetuation of the mistaken idea that photons are wiggling in a sinusiodal fashion. When you see that sine wave, it's a graph of the varying field as the wave propagates. It's not the wave itself. This is such a common miscommunication that physics students often have a hard time getting over it. Just for the sake of context, this guy should have at least mentioned the practical application of this phenomenon, which is the polarizing saccharimeter. Wine makers, for example, use this device to measure the amount of dextrose (glucose) in grape juice so they can harvest the grapes at their peak. So next time you're enjoying that glass of wine, think, "Mmm...saccharimeter." The experimental setup in this demonstration has, in my opinion, a fatal flaw. The light source seems to be too broad to test the phenomenon. Furthermore it appears to be tilted at an angle at the entrance to the tube. Both of these factors will have the light glancing off the interior of the tube. At least some of the light will be at Brewster's angle for the interface between the sugar solution and the tube. So the interior of the tube becomes its own polarizer. Another thing that should have been mentioned is that the light, while circularly polarized in the sugar solution, emerges linearly polarized. Maybe that's obvious, but it should have been stated. Having said all that, it's a hell of a beautiful demonstration. It should be repeated with a narrow beam of light just to see the results. --- Original Message --- On Sunday, September 10th, 2023 at 1:15 AM, H L V wrote: > The well known mathematics youtuber 3Blue1Brown recently published two > interesting videos on polarized light passing through a clear glass tube > filled with dissolved sugar in water. (He is working on a third video.) > Normally he explains mathematical concepts with nicely rendered visual > explanations so the inclusion of a physical demo is something new for his > channel. The mathematical explanation offered in part 2 seems to > qualitatively account for what is observed in part 1 but there is a lively > discussion in the comment section on part 2 where it is pointed out that his > explanation makes a prediction that he acknowledges is not actually observed. > I enjoy it when textbook science bumps up against reality! It will be > interesting to see if he can account for this theoretical weakness in his > third video. > > This demo tests your understanding of light | Barber pole, part 1 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCX62YJCmGk > > This demo tests your understanding of light | Barber pole, part 2 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXRTczANuIs=0s > > Harry
Re: [Vo]:Colours
The delay? I don't think we're in a hurry. And clearly no one else on the list has an interest in our discussion. Spectral colors and their perception are my business. I've made literally billions of square meters of diffraction gratings, mostly decorative patterns. Yellow and magenta have been particularly interesting to me for a few reasons. I am of the controversial opinion that yellow doesn't exist except in human perception. Years ago, before lasers became unbelievably inexpensive, I was interested in creating a light source to view transmission holograms without a laser or filtered mercury arc. I had a lot of slide projectors left over from my "psychedelic light show" so I thought I could use one to make such a light source. I put a slit into the projector where the slide would normally go and a high efficiency Bragg diffraction grating in front of it. This projected a nice broad spectrum. I then used another slit to isolate whatever color I wanted and a cylinder lens to spread it out. This worked quite well, but not very bright. I settled on what would normally be called the yellow part of the spectrum. But people viewing the holograms this way would say that the color was white, or perhaps gray. I thought the same thing. You have to see this to appreciate it. So maybe Roy G Biv should change his name. Another example of the phenomenon is a pressure tuned krypton laser. At just the right gas pressure it makes four more or less equally spaced colors if sent through a prism: red, yellow, green, and two tightly spaced blues. The yellow looks yellow when the other colors are present, but by itself it appears to be colorless. A lot of people smarter than I have argued about these things for a very long time. If you really want to see some strangeness as regards color perception, look up Land color theory. I played around with this when I was a child, and my family thought I was nuts. I just think it's a gift to us that we can perceive color the way we do. --- Original Message --- On Thursday, August 24th, 2023 at 9:10 AM, H L V wrote: > Sorry about the delay. > > I am not sure. If you think about it, overlapping colours don't go along with > the topology of stress lines. > However, cellophane tape is a different situation. It could be that the > perception of the colour magenta is situational like > the perception of yellow. > > Did you know that a third class of mammalian photoreceptors was discovered in > the 1990's?Intrinsically photosensitive retinal ganglion cell were only shown > to be definitively present in humans in 2007 in people who were born without > rods and cones. > > From wikipedia " ipRGCs were only definitively detected in humans during > landmark experiments in 2007 on rodless, coneless > humans.[15](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoreceptor_cell#cite_note-ns1-15)[16](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoreceptor_cell#cite_note-mnt-16) > As had been found in other mammals, the identity of the non-rod non-cone > photoreceptor in humans was found to be a ganglion cell in the inner retina. > The researchers had tracked down patients with rare diseases wiping out > classic rod and cone photoreceptor function but preserving ganglion cell > function.[15](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoreceptor_cell#cite_note-ns1-15)[16](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoreceptor_cell#cite_note-mnt-16) > Despite having no rods or cones the patients continued to exhibit circadian > photoentrainment, circadian behavioural patterns, melanopsin suppression, and > pupil reactions, with peak spectral sensitivities to environmental and > experimental light matching that for the melanopsin photopigment. Their > brains could also associate vision with light of this frequency." > Harry
Re: [Vo]:Colours
Would it change your mind if you saw the real thing instead of a digital representation? All of color photography, both on film and now with digital cameras and LCD or OLED screens depend upon acceptable approximations of the real colors. This varies among different cultures. And now, I delve once more into my misty past. In the late 60s I made a meager living doing what was then called a "psychedelic light show" with rock bands. One of the effects I used was a rotating polarizer combined with various crystals and injection molded styrene. I used to search grocery and hardware stores for suitable pieces. I would then use them as is or further stress them by heating and stretching. You can definitely see edges of red and blue around the magenta. Something even more definitive could be seen when making patterns from the original Scotch cellophane tape. After they switched to polypropylene, much to my disappointment at the time, the effect was no longer possible. As you rotate the polarizer slowly you could see a washed out red, fading into magenta and then blue. Again, probably more than you wanted to know. --- Original Message --- On Wednesday, August 16th, 2023 at 2:16 AM, H L V wrote: > Cool. Your story got me to watch videos of stress visualization in plastic > using polarized light. > Noticing how readily the colour magenta (a.k.a. pink ) is produced in this > video as the plastic is rotated. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6U4uembaNQ > > Watching how the magenta patches come and go as the viewing angle changes got > me thinking about the common teaching that since magenta does not appear in > Newton's spectrum it is made up by the brain whenever red and blue light > overlap. (By contrast magenta does appear in Goethe's spectrum a.k.a the dark > spectrum). > > Although it is certainly possible to trick the brain into seeing colours > which aren't there such as when red and green light overlap to create the > illusion of yellow light, this is not proof that magenta is just made up by > the brain. On the contrary if magenta were just made up by the brain then > _every_ instance of magenta in the above video should show signs of red and > blue around its perimeter which is not the case. > > Harry > > On Mon, Aug 14, 2023 at 5:16 PM MSF wrote: > >> More polarized fun... >> >> A much more easily viewed demonstration of the effect we are discussing here >> is looking at clear glass table tops outside. If you happen to have some >> lawn furniture that includes a clear tempered glass table top, all you have >> to do is stand to the east or west of of the glass and look down at it at an >> angle of approximately 56 degrees and you will see beautiful pools of color. >> The colors outline the birefringence caused by the strains in the tempered >> glass. >> >> Once in a while a random observation at my back yard of the phenomenon by a >> friend or family member will be alarmed at "something wrong with the glass". >> And of course, their eyes glaze over when I try to explain it. >> >> You might wonder why I immediately recognized Harry's noticing of mysterious >> color effects during his walk. It's simple. When I was very young, I used to >> see these colors in the pavement all the time, directly on, not peripherily. >> The reason is my brother and I were blessed, or cursed, with vision that was >> so sharp and light sensitive that we were accused all the time of "seeing >> things". We tested out at 20-05 on the eye charts. Our retinas must have >> been so stuffed withe rods and cones, I'm surprised they didn't explode. I >> could see close to 7th magnitude stars. That's all gone now that I'm old. >> Down to 20-20 with lens implants. >> >> Please pardon my self-indulgent nostalgia. >> >> MSF >> >>>>>
Re: [Vo]:Colours
More polarized fun... A much more easily viewed demonstration of the effect we are discussing here is looking at clear glass table tops outside. If you happen to have some lawn furniture that includes a clear tempered glass table top, all you have to do is stand to the east or west of of the glass and look down at it at an angle of approximately 56 degrees and you will see beautiful pools of color. The colors outline the birefringence caused by the strains in the tempered glass. Once in a while a random observation at my back yard of the phenomenon by a friend or family member will be alarmed at "something wrong with the glass". And of course, their eyes glaze over when I try to explain it. You might wonder why I immediately recognized Harry's noticing of mysterious color effects during his walk. It's simple. When I was very young, I used to see these colors in the pavement all the time, directly on, not peripherily. The reason is my brother and I were blessed, or cursed, with vision that was so sharp and light sensitive that we were accused all the time of "seeing things". We tested out at 20-05 on the eye charts. Our retinas must have been so stuffed withe rods and cones, I'm surprised they didn't explode. I could see close to 7th magnitude stars. That's all gone now that I'm old. Down to 20-20 with lens implants. Please pardon my self-indulgent nostalgia. MSF >>>
Re: [Vo]:Colours
We call them "colors" down here south of the border, Harry. But to your question, yes I have experienced the same phenomenon. Keep in mind that peripheral vision is more light sensitive than foveal vision. I can think of two possibilities to explain the phenomenon. Light from the clear sky is partially polarized along a north to south axis. So if you are walking in a mostly north or south direction you would see these colors to your left or right as the angle to the area you are observing is around Brewster's angle. They would be secondary colors. Alternatively, it might just be a very thin oil slick formed from the asphalt and you need the more sensitive peripheral vision to perceive it. More than you wanted to know, probably. --- Original Message --- On Wednesday, August 9th, 2023 at 7:36 PM, H L V wrote: > This summer I have been walking to work in the morning during twilight just > before the sun rises. > As I walk across asphalt paved streets which are old and cracking, sometimes > I see very faint bands of colour > in my peripheral vision when I am looking at the pavement. When it happens I > am walking roughly southward ( at 46 degrees north latitude) and the bands > seem to appear on the left side of my peripheral vision. The colours remind > more of those found in the Goethe spectrum rather than the rainbow spectrum. > I wondered if it might be an effect of LED street lighting reflecting off the > pavement but sometimes it seems to arise far from any LED street lights. Has > anyone else experienced this? > > Harry
Re: [Vo]:The First Room-Temperature Ambient-Pressure Superconductor
This discovery is truly remarkable for more than one reason. You have to wonder about the thought process that led these guys to this particular method. Another thing is that there are no exotic materials used. Practically anyone who read this paper could reproduce the results unless some essential step was intentionally left out. --- Original Message --- On Wednesday, July 26th, 2023 at 1:47 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.12008?s=09
Re: [Vo]:EVOs, Hutchison, and ancient megalithic tech
This is one of my favorite subjects. Not Hutchison, but speculation about how the ancients were able to cut and transport those huge blocks of stone. It might be that electrical effects are involved, but I'm not sure that's necessary. Hutchison effects might be real, but those videos he made had some rather obvious primitive video fakery. At least that's my opinion. Here's an experiment I did longer ago than I care to remember. It's simplicity itself. I epoxied a small DC motor to the top of a brick and placed it in a sandbox. The motor had an eccentric weight attached to the shaft. Connected to the motor was a variable DC power supply. Obviously, the frequency of vibration could be controlled by varying the current to the motor. As the RPM of the motor increased to a certain level, the brick began to move. Depending upon small adjustments of the current, the brick might rotate in one direction or the other or shift slightly. When stabilized, the brick could be moved with the touch of a finger. You could see light under the brick through the oscillating sand. This doesn't exactly constitute levitation, but you could see how it could be interpreted that way. There are so many ways of creating sonic frequencies, it's hard to say how ancient peoples did it. There you have it. I encourage anyone reading this to replicate my little experiment and tell us what happened.
Re: [Vo]:OT: The Big Bang Quandary Song: “A Few of The Craziest Things”
I can't stop smiling. All of the obvious objections to this creation myth by gubmint paid "scientists" wrapped up in a delightful package. Now if someone could write a song about ITER, covid "vaccines", and the rest of the BS passing as science, maybe the world would listen and kick all of this nonsense to the curb. I can only dream. --- Original Message --- On Thursday, July 6th, 2023 at 1:48 PM, H L V wrote: > From LPPFusion and Eric Lerner... > > The Big Bang Quandary Song: “A Few of The Craziest Things” > https://youtu.be/-i_nGVBpq7Y > > Harry
Re: [Vo]:Mr. Bean vs Mr. Musk
This is already available as the Toyato Mirai. --- Original Message --- On Thursday, June 8th, 2023 at 11:19 PM, Robin wrote: > Hi, > > A fuel cell + electric motor would probably also be more efficient. >
[Vo]:Mr. Bean vs Mr. Musk
A little diversion for the day. Who will win this international shoot out? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/03/electric-vehicles-early-adopter-petrol-car-ev-environment-rowan-atkinson
Re: [Vo]:LEC or Air-gen
My initial reaction to the water creating heat by contact was the same as yours, that it was chemical. However, if you wait for an hour or so, when you place a droplet of water on the same spot the same thing happens. Something I forgot to emphasize about this nanoporous aluminum film is that the total thickness in this case was about 400 nm, but the graduated nanoporosity was probably about half that. So the disappearing water is really more remarkable. Because of the gradient from nanoporous to solid the coating is very cohesive, not flakey like some of the LEC plating. I'm guessing, but I think that the pores start off larger at the surface and become progressively smaller toward the solid metal. --- Original Message --- On Friday, June 2nd, 2023 at 10:47 PM, Robin wrote: > In reply to MSF's message of Fri, 02 Jun 2023 18:01:13 +: > Hi, > > Several years ago, I suggested to Mills in private email that a surface > containing pits that had a dimension matching > the wavelength of a photon with the same energy as his "energy hole", might > function as a catalyst for Hydrino > production, but he appears to have ignored my suggestion. > Your report of a water droplet on nano-porous Aluminium might be > confirmation, though I suspect a more likely > explanation is that the water simply reacted chemically with the Aluminium > because the oxide layer that normally covers > it was disrupted.
[Vo]:LEC or Air-gen
I've spent some time catching up on the hydrovoltaic air-gen research and I am surprised I knew nothing about it previously. This field of research has been going on for quite some time and the recent breathless news release by the group at UMass Amherst was likely an attempt to raise fresh funding. If you're curious about it detail, read this: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/action/downloadSupplement?doi=10.1002%2Fadma.202300748=adma202300748-sup-0001-SuppMat.pdf Then compare the analysis of results to this: https://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DiStefanoAexperiment.pdf I can't help but suspect that they are the same thing. Since the LEC seems to work with the the phenomenon of nanoporosity and doesn't necessarily need catalyst metals such as palladium, perhaps all of CF, LENR, CANR work on this principle and are not fusion at all, but some other phenomenon not yet well understood. Maybe it works like the atomic hydrogen torch, where splitting diatomic hydrogen and then recombining it results in large energy release. Or maybe the nanoporosity literally splits the diatomic hydrogen and then crushes it into the hydrino. Water molecules could be similarly broken down within the nanopores. The nanoporous aluminum film I made 10 years ago would likely work well for either the LEC or the air-gen. It was coated onto a PET film substrate and was a mirror on the substrate side and dead black on the exposed surface. The fact that a small drop of water literally vanishes into the surface of a film only about 400 nm thick and becomes hot at the area of contact would seem to indicate appropriate use in the LEC or the air-gen. Sheer speculation on my part. What's your take?
Re: [Vo]:Electricity "fromthin air"
We're digressing from the subject at hand, but it allows me some self-indulgent nostalgia. As you are no doubt aware, even black paint made to coat the interior of optical instruments has the problem of a quite high glancing angle reflectance. My nanoporous aluminum film has a very low glancing angle reflectance. I seriously doubt anyone would cough up 6 million bucks to produce this material in quantity. Maybe someone could be convinced to provide the capital based on the possibility of making a superior hydrovoltaic film. Not bloody likely. As a boy I used to make and modify all sorts of strange and unusual microscopes and telescopes. I was bedeviled by the reflections from the interior of the tubes. My solution was simple. I would deposit carbon black inside the tubes. A flaming q-tip soaked in motor oil and attached to a stick could deposit enough soot to eliminate almost all of the reflections from the inside of the tubes. You can even do this to the inside of cardboard tube if you are careful. Since I knew no one would be taking these gadgets apart but me, I had no worries about the surface being disturbed. There now. More than you wanted to know. --- Original Message --- On Tuesday, May 30th, 2023 at 6:27 PM, Andrew Meulenberg wrote: > I no longer have the instruments to measure the absorptance and > reflectance of materials; but, most optical instruments have black > paint on the inside walls. A new source of very black films or sheets > could be a useful addition because, over the years, the paint turns > grey.
Re: [Vo]:Electricity "fromthin air"
I haven't the equipment or the time to measure the degree and spectrum of the "blackness". Suffice it to say, you can still see a very dim spot if you shine a variety of lasers of different wavelengths onto the surface. Naturally, the substrate, PET film, heats up and burns when you do this. I made this material in 2013 and there has been no noticeable change in its properties since then. Fabricated by a continuous process, this film could be made for a few cents per square meter. A machine designed for this specific application would cost about 6 million dollars US. I would like to be more specific, but this material was made under an NDA with a large semiconductor company and I'm not sure if this application would be covered under it. --- Original Message --- On Tuesday, May 30th, 2023 at 2:33 PM, Andrew Meulenberg wrote: > depending on its degree and spectrum of "blackness" (and cost?), it > could have many applications. Did it retain its properties as the > oxide grew? >
Re: [Vo]:Electricity "fromthin air"
Thanks. That's an informative analysis The nanoporous aluminum layer I made was approx. 400 nm thick. It could be made thicker or thinner as required. I haven't had the setup to make this stuff for quite some time, but I'm tempted to do it again. I was making it in 600 mm square sheets, but it could be turned into a continuous process. --- Original Message --- On Monday, May 29th, 2023 at 8:15 PM, Robin wrote: > In reply to MSF's message of Mon, 29 May 2023 18:48:52 +: > Hi, > > If you follow the link to the original article, then download the supporting > materials pdf, the original experiment > reported at best about 250 nW / cm^2. This may not seem like much, but the > layer could be made very thin, perhaps 1 > micron thick (?), which IINM would give a power density of about 2.5 kW / m^3. > This would vary with the humidity of the air. > > (Strangely perhaps this is reminiscent of Mills' CIHT.) > > > https://www.umass.edu/news/article/engineers-umass-amherst-harvest-abundant-clean-energy-thin-air-247 > > [snip] > Buy electric cars and recharge them from solar panels on your roof.
[Vo]:Electricity "fromthin air"
https://www.umass.edu/news/article/engineers-umass-amherst-harvest-abundant-clean-energy-thin-air-247 No energy density is given. So it might just be an interesting curiosity. This whole concept is of particular interest to me because of the nanoporous metals I was making several years ago. The nanoporous aluminum I made was a gradient of solid aluminum at one surface and highly nanoporous on the opposite surface. The nanoporous surface was about the blackest material I have ever seen. Carbon black looks rather light brown next to it. The nanoporous aluminum has a number of strange properties. A tiny drop of water on its surface disappears and the spot become hot. If you press a finger on it, it will remove the top layer of skin, leaving a fingerprint made of the skin itself. Interesting, but possibly of no practical use.
Re: [Vo]:magnets from insulators
Which do you suppose would be more susceptible to this effect, polar or non-polar insulators? > Hi, > > If an insulator is irradiated, free electrons should be created within it > that are not free to recombine with the ions, > because they can't travel through an insulator. However they may attach > themselves to other atoms. > It might then be possible to magnetize this material, during which process > the magnetic fields of the freed electrons > align with one another. Unpaired electrons in the ions created by the > radiation may also contribute to the magnetic > field. > > Cloud storage:- > > Unsafe, Slow, Expensive > > ...pick any three.
Re: [Vo]:high weirdness
That's pretty interesting. Do you imply that there might be some sort of cause and effect relationship? Or do you think it's just an interesting coincidence? --- Original Message --- On Monday, February 13th, 2023 at 10:54 AM, Robin wrote: > Hi, > > If you multiply the weight of hydrogen in the form of water in the oceans, by > the fine structure constant, you end up > with the weight of Oxygen in the atmosphere. > > Cloud storage:- > > Unsafe, Slow, Expensive > > ...pick any three.
Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
What have you been smoking, Jed? The lipid nanoparticles are butter? Well hardly. From the MIT Technology Review: The Pfizer lipid nanoparticle ingredients: - (4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis (ALC-3015) - (2- hexyldecanoate),2-[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide (ALC-0159) - 1,2-distearoyl-snglycero-3-phosphocholine (DPSC) - cholesterol Who knew that butter could be so complex? I just couldn't even taste that phosphocholine compound last time I spread some butter on my toast. As I should have said in my previous post, you know, as someone who doesn't know the first thing about biology, I believe that these lipid nanoparticles could catalyze and provide a scaffold for the formation of a biopolymer. The "feed stock" for this polymer would be the phospholipid bilayer that comprises most of the area of the cell membrane. As cells in the human body break down, as they inevitably do, the remnants of the phospholipid layer, instead of dissipating might polymerize into one of those rubbery clots assisted by the lipid nanoparticles in from the "vaccine". I suspect, given its structure the 1,2-distearoyl-snglycero-3-phosphocholine (DPSC) would be the primary cause of this. I realize this is sheer speculation, from someone who "doesn't know the first thing about biology", but what other explanation is possible? I'd like spread some 1,2-distearoyl-snglycero-3-phosphocholine on my toast, but bought in small quantities it's about $200 per milligram. I can't find any reference to the Moderna lipid nanoparticles, but I imagine they are the same or similar. --- Original Message --- On Wednesday, January 18th, 2023 at 6:44 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > MSF wrote: > >> While there has been a great deal of discussion about the properties of the >> spike protein in the covid mRNA treatment, little has been mentioned of the >> lipid nanoparticles carrying said spike protein. These lipid nanoparticles >> are organo-phosporous compounds specifically designed to penetrate the >> blood-brain barrier. > > This lipid is also known as "butter." Do you seriously think that injecting > butter into a muscle causes harm? It is conceivable that injecting it into > the bloodstream might cause a problem, but all rMNA vaccines are > intramuscular. How do you think the lipids reach the brain, or anywhere other > than the tissue surrounding the injection? > > You people do not know the first thing about biology. All of the comments > here make anti-cold fusion fanatics look good in comparison.
Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
While there has been a great deal of discussion about the properties of the spike protein in the covid mRNA treatment, little has been mentioned of the lipid nanoparticles carrying said spike protein. These lipid nanoparticles are organo-phosporous compounds specifically designed to penetrate the blood-brain barrier. Kinda scary, don't you think? Especially when you consider the increased rate of strokes among the "vaxxed" and boosted. I have a hypothesis about the so-called blood clots being pulled out of those victims of the mRNA shot. These clots are not blood clots. When the blood is rinsed off, they are gray or light brown. I believe they are a polymer of the lipid nanoparticles. Analysis of these clots reveal a concentration of phosphorous more than four times higher that actual blood clots. They contain only a small fraction of the iron normally found in blood. Since each booster shot contains the lipid nanoparticles, it seems to me that this gunk is going to get worse with each shot, each time increasing the possibility of various adverse reactions. --- Original Message --- On Friday, January 6th, 2023 at 5:51 PM, Jürg Wyttenbach wrote: > On 06.01.2023 17:43, CB Sites wrote: > > > I think this URL can help clear up some of this. > > https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/video/can-mrna-vaccines-alter-a-persons-dna > > People here mix up what a vaccine (RNA gene therapy in fact) can do > without looking at what can happen inside a cell. > Reverse transcriptase can potentially be active in any cell as people > with AIDS/Hepatitis B know very well. Other virus are ominpresent in > your body. > . > Reverse transcription is responsible for about 30% of your DNA. Most of > the historic virus genes are inactive because these are fragmented. > Thus in general integration of RNA/DNA into the genome is not the real > problem as rarely the whole virus gets entered and after this is just > dormant. > > The spike protein enters the nucleus as a protein as many other virus do > too and blocks mitosis. Measles chicken pox virus, HTLV-1.. stay in > diverse tissue after you managed the illness and can reoccur once your > immune system gets weaker. > > Simply be aware that a RNA vaxxine = gene therapy. And yes there is an > other term = gen-editing, what is an other kind of therapy to make gene > therapy permanent. > > Sorry for the folks that got the useless RNA shot. Try to level up your > basic health. > > > For the German speaking here a summary from Prof. Hadisch a leader of a > vaccine institute who refused to vaxxinate his patients...(3 parts) > > https://youtu.be/nZf366Qsp3g > > https://youtu.be/9TaPypNESDk > > https://youtu.be/mB0EVgFyLz8 > > J.W. > > > -- Jürg Wyttenbach > Bifangstr. 22 8910 Affoltern am Albis +41 44 760 14 18 +41 79 246 36 06
Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
This is sort of a digression. But doesn't the phenomenon of epi-genetics mean that Lysenko was at least partially right? In any case, the mrna treatments, regardless of the theory of spike protein behavior, appear to be a horrid and dangerous fraud perpetrated on an unsuspecting population. Pfizer and Moderna already knew in advance many of the deadly side effects, yet went ahead. According to insurance company date in the U.S., the excess mortality rate is at 40%. --- Original Message --- On Friday, January 6th, 2023 at 12:30 AM, Jürg Wyttenbach wrote: > On 05.01.2023 19:38, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > > No, it is a fundamental law of microbiology, established in 1957 by > > Watson. > > > > This is utmost silly and simply outdated. Watson just found the > structure of the DNA and had not the slightest clue of cellular biology. > > > I can only advise you to buy a more recent text book. May be there you > will still miss many things about epi- genetics and how this can lead to > DNA inclusions. Of course this path is slow but already the bible > referenced it with "seven generations will suffer from your evil" what > exactly could be seen by an Israel research team that tortured rats. > > > I agree that most vaccines are safe. But RNA gene therapy is not a > vaccine. Its a forced allergy by a high concentration of one of the > worst poison we know... > > The safety record of RNA gene therapy is very poor and you can only pray > that we will not see more than the current 15% excess mortality we now > face world wide. > > Switzerland is actually at 30% excess mortality for age > 64. May be > > some RNA vaxxinated can no longer fight the flue... > > J.W. > > -- > Jürg Wyttenbach > Bifangstr. 22 > 8910 Affoltern am Albis > > +41 44 760 14 18 > +41 79 246 36 06
RE: [Vo]:Solar cell lifetime in space
I'm not sure of the actual crystalline structure, but it's not like silica gel, which displays substantial optical diffusion. Given the fact that it's highly transparent to the point of invisibility, I'm making the assumption that the structure is similar to fused quartz. --- Original Message --- On Wednesday, December 21st, 2022 at 8:32 AM, Arnaud Kodeck wrote: > What is the crystal structure of the adhered layer ? Amorphous (sort of > silica gel) or crystallized (crystalline quartz) ? > > From: MSF > Sent: 21 December 2022 00:00 > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Solar cell lifetime in space > > I was working with this method of surface treatment of glass more decades ago > than I care to remember. You simply immerse ordinary glass into a bath of > molten potassium nitrate and the sodium Ions at the surface are replaced with > potassium ions, resulting in a highly impact resistant glass. These days it's > called gorilla glass, but I was using this technique long before Corning. > > I see that cerium doped sheet is just glass, not fused silica. So it may be > that no cerium ions could be implanted into pure silica by the molten salt > technique. > > I recently discovered a method of depositing a layer of silica on any given > surface using a ridiculously simple and inexpensive technique. This is > something that should have been discovered 200 or so years ago, but wasn't. > I've searched for months trying to find out if this was done before, but I > find no reference to it. The silica layer deposited is only a few tens of > microns thick, but the process can be repeated. Other compounds can be > included; so far I've only tried copper. This is a solid transparent well > adhered layer, not some powdered composite. I really don't know what to do > with this, probably nothing. Thought you might be interested anyway. > > --- Original Message --- > On Tuesday, December 20th, 2022 at 10:00 PM, Andrew Meulenberg > wrote: > >> Foster, >> >> You have raised an interesting possibility. I have been out of the loop for >> 25 years, so my info may be dated. However, the cerium was included in the >> melt, with the quantity a djusted for the optimum UV absorption for the >> coverslide thickness. >> >> Use of a doped layer rather than the bulk could possibly provide some >> improved optical matching in the "STACK". It would have to be tested for >> stability during the thermal cycles. If the surface doping (by dipping or by >> ion implantation) is a reliable process, this might be worth mentioning it >> to the appropriate people (who I no longer know). >> >> Andrew >> >> -- Forwarded message - >> >> I guess this is getting off into the weeds a bit, but is the quartz layer >> doped with cerium in the mass? Or is the cerium diffused into the surface by >> immersion in a molten cerium compound? >> >> -- >> >> On Tuesday, December 20th, 2022 at 2:26 AM, Andrew Meulenberg >> wrote: >> >>>>>
Re: [Vo]:Solar cell lifetime in space
Interesting... But I can't believe it took so long to get around to what should have been obvious. --- Original Message --- On Wednesday, December 21st, 2022 at 12:07 AM, Andrew Meulenberg wrote: > Things have gone beyond simple UV protection. At a quick glance, I found this > from 2014: > "Ion exchange doping of solar cell coverglass for sunlight down-shifting" > https://scholar.google.com/scholar_url?url=https://www.academia.edu/download/39434467/Ion_exchange_doping_of_solar_cell_coverg20151026-13237-11ddof9.pdf=en=X=jkyiY7KwAY6yyATvqZyoBQ=AAGBfm2yTEGoICv5hlwEB0RulQA-SecuDg=scholarr > > On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 4:59 PM MSF wrote: > >> I was working with this method of surface treatment of glass more decades >> ago than I care to remember. You simply immerse ordinary glass into a bath >> of molten potassium nitrate and the sodium Ions at the surface are replaced >> with potassium ions, resulting in a highly impact resistant glass. These >> days it's called gorilla glass, but I was using this technique long before >> Corning. >> >> I see that cerium doped sheet is just glass, not fused silica. So it may be >> that no cerium ions could be implanted into pure silica by the molten salt >> technique. >> >> I recently discovered a method of depositing a layer of silica on any given >> surface using a ridiculously simple and inexpensive technique. This is >> something that should have been discovered 200 or so years ago, but wasn't. >> I've searched for months trying to find out if this was done before, but I >> find no reference to it. The silica layer deposited is only a few tens of >> microns thick, but the process can be repeated. Other compounds can be >> included; so far I've only tried copper. This is a solid transparent well >> adhered layer, not some powdered composite. I really don't know what to do >> with this, probably nothing. Thought you might be interested anyway. >> >> --- Original Message --- >> On Tuesday, December 20th, 2022 at 10:00 PM, Andrew Meulenberg >> wrote: >> >>> Foster, >>> >>> You have raised an interesting possibility. I have been out of the loop for >>> 25 years, so my info may be dated. However, the cerium was included in the >>> melt, with the quantity a djusted for the optimum UV absorption for the >>> coverslide thickness. >>> >>> Use of a doped layer rather than the bulk could possibly provide some >>> improved optical matching in the "STACK". It would have to be tested for >>> stability during the thermal cycles. If the surface doping (by dipping or >>> by ion implantation) is a reliable process, this might be worth mentioning >>> it to the appropriate people (who I no longer know). >>> >>> Andrew >>> >>> -- Forwarded message - >>> >>> I guess this is getting off into the weeds a bit, but is the quartz layer >>> doped with cerium in the mass? Or is the cerium diffused into the surface >>> by immersion in a molten cerium compound? >>> >>> -- >>> On Tuesday, December 20th, 2022 at 2:26 AM, Andrew Meulenberg >>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>
Re: [Vo]:Solar cell lifetime in space
I was working with this method of surface treatment of glass more decades ago than I care to remember. You simply immerse ordinary glass into a bath of molten potassium nitrate and the sodium Ions at the surface are replaced with potassium ions, resulting in a highly impact resistant glass. These days it's called gorilla glass, but I was using this technique long before Corning. I see that cerium doped sheet is just glass, not fused silica. So it may be that no cerium ions could be implanted into pure silica by the molten salt technique. I recently discovered a method of depositing a layer of silica on any given surface using a ridiculously simple and inexpensive technique. This is something that should have been discovered 200 or so years ago, but wasn't. I've searched for months trying to find out if this was done before, but I find no reference to it. The silica layer deposited is only a few tens of microns thick, but the process can be repeated. Other compounds can be included; so far I've only tried copper. This is a solid transparent well adhered layer, not some powdered composite. I really don't know what to do with this, probably nothing. Thought you might be interested anyway. --- Original Message --- On Tuesday, December 20th, 2022 at 10:00 PM, Andrew Meulenberg wrote: > Foster, > > You have raised an interesting possibility. I have been out of the loop for > 25 years, so my info may be dated. However, the cerium was included in the > melt, with the quantity a djusted for the optimum UV absorption for the > coverslide thickness. > > Use of a doped layer rather than the bulk could possibly provide some > improved optical matching in the "STACK". It would have to be tested for > stability during the thermal cycles. If the surface doping (by dipping or by > ion implantation) is a reliable process, this might be worth mentioning it to > the appropriate people (who I no longer know). > > Andrew > > -- Forwarded message - > > I guess this is getting off into the weeds a bit, but is the quartz layer > doped with cerium in the mass? Or is the cerium diffused into the surface by > immersion in a molten cerium compound? > > -- > On Tuesday, December 20th, 2022 at 2:26 AM, Andrew Meulenberg > wrote: >
Re: [Vo]:Solar cell lifetime in space
I guess this is getting off into the weeds a bit, but is the quartz layer doped with cerium in the mass? Or is the cerium diffused into the surface by immersion in a molten cerium compound? --- Original Message --- On Tuesday, December 20th, 2022 at 2:26 AM, Andrew Meulenberg wrote: > Robin, > > The whole deal is a set of tradeoffs that depends on the environment to be > encountered. At some altitudes, the Van Allen Belts have too much penetrating > radiation to allow solar cells to be used for long-term missions. > > Addition of coverslides makes the solarcell assembly vulnerable to solar > ultra-violet radiation. It is necessary to use high-purity fused silica for > the coverslides to prevent themselves from being damaged by the UV. But these > coverslides allow the UV to damage the adhesive that holds them to the solar > cells. Thus, it is necessary to put a UV filter on these coverslides. The UV > filters can be damaged by the trapped-proton environment if there is a > manufacturing error. Cerium-doped microsheet (CMS) is generally used for > coverslides because it does not transmit the UV that can damage the special > adhesives (flexible conformal coatings) that can function through the thermal > excursions experienced when the spacecraft enters and exits the Earth's > shadow. However, the CMS cutting out the damaging UV also lowers the starting > efficiency of the solar arrays that can derive energy from the UV. > > It is a tradeoff that must even recognize the possibility of solar flares > that, when extreme and aimed at the earth, can cause more damage (in days) > than all of the other sources of degradation over the rest of the mission. > The tradeoff is further complicated by the variety of cells and materials > (filters and coverslides) available. There is also the mission variables that > are sometimes of greatest concern. Sometimes it is more important to have max > power at the beginning of a mission; sometimes at the end. > > It was a portion of my job for nearly 30 years. > > Andrew > _ _ _ > On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 12:41 PM Robin > wrote > >> In reply to Andrew Meulenberg's message of Mon, 19 Dec 2022 00:25:20 -0600: >> Hi Andrew, >> >> I'm sure it does, however the high energy particles from other sources are >> also present, so it seems to be fairly >> effective against them too? Otherwise surely it would have been noticed that >> cells in space deteriorate rapidly? >> >>>Robin, >>> >>>This thickness of coverslide stops the low-energy trapped protons of the >>>Van Allen belts that would cut the cell efficiency by ~30% in not too many >>>months. >>> >>>Andrew >> [snip] >> Cloud storage:- >> >> Unsafe, Slow, Expensive >> >> ...pick any three.
Re: [Vo]:The Ultraviolet Enlightenment
This, or something like, must be the explanation. The silver iodide-bromide layer is far too thin for an interference effect. It might also be a plasmon-polaritron effect which one might argue is the same thing. --- Original Message --- On Sunday, November 27th, 2022 at 9:08 PM, Robin wrote: > Hi, > > Silver atoms may arrange themselves in clusters of a size matching the > wavelength of the light. Then the clusters are > selective for (resonate at) that wavelength. > > > On Sun., Nov. 27, 2022, 2:58 p.m. MSF, foster...@protonmail.com wrote: > > > > > This effect was studied extensively thoughout the 19th and early 20th > > > centuries, but in another field. Early researchers in photography noted > > > the > > > same effect and more in their experiments with Daguerrotype plates. A > > > purposely over-exposed plate would turn very dark. If the plate was > > > covered > > > with pieces of colored glass and re-exposed to bright sunlight, the plate > > > would reproduce the colors through which the light was filtered. > > [snip] > Cloud storage:- > > Unsafe, Slow, Expensive > > ...pick any three.
Re: [Vo]:The Ultraviolet Enlightenment
I don't remember reading anything about that. But in my personal experience, the plate reverts to a murky gray, with slightly darkened outlines of the colored areas. The original color of the over-exposed plate is sort of purplish black. MSf --- Original Message --- On Sunday, November 27th, 2022 at 8:54 PM, H LV wrote: > Wow... > When you say the colours faded do you mean the plate reverted to being > completely black again (i.e. its over exposed state)? > > Harry > > On Sun., Nov. 27, 2022, 2:58 p.m. MSF, wrote: > >> This effect was studied extensively thoughout the 19th and early 20th >> centuries, but in another field. Early researchers in photography noted the >> same effect and more in their experiments with Daguerrotype plates. A >> purposely over-exposed plate would turn very dark. If the plate was covered >> with pieces of colored glass and re-exposed to bright sunlight, the plate >> would reproduce the colors through which the light was filtered. This no >> doubt tantalized photographers with the idea of color photography, but the >> effect would eventually fade and the exposure times and light intensity >> requirements made that impractical. Further, there was no way to fix the >> image. The same effect can be demonstrated with so-called printing-out >> papers, silver chloride emulsions meant to be contact printed from negatives >> without the need for chemical development. >> >> So, basically, this is a demonstration of one field of endeavor not paying >> attention to developments (pun intended) in another. Besides, it's not nice >> to second guess Goethe. >> >> MSF >> >> --- Original Message --- >> On Saturday, November 26th, 2022 at 6:41 PM, H LV >> wrote: >> >>> This is a google english translation of a german article that was published >>> in December in 2021. >>> >>> The Ultraviolet Enlightenment >>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/178aIZp1ts5J1HCvWuZCkdoDvwbzp8tm_xiPGdonvPM8/edit?usp=sharing >>> >>> (The original article is here >>> https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wissen/physik-mehr/entdeckung-des-uv-die-ultraviolette-erleuchtung-17687221.html) >>> >>> It is about Goethe and Ritter in the early 1800s when Goethe encouraged >>> Ritter to look for invisible radiation beyond the violet >>> end of the spectrum given that Herschel had just discovered evidence of >>> radiation below the red end of the spectrum using a thermometer. >>> Ritter was eventually credited with the discovery of UV light using a light >>> sensitive paper. >>> >>> However,as the article explains he did another experiment which was >>> inspired by Goethe's concept of polarity but to this >>> day the results have been dismissed as an error. Goethe predicted that if >>> UV light darkened the photo chemical paper, then infrared light should >>> lighten the same paper. Ritter reported finding this to be the case but >>> because the chemical process is irreversible subsequent scientists >>> have insisted that the _observation_ of lightning must have been an error. >>> Until 2021 no one had even attempted to replicate this simple experiment, >>> but now there is evidence that Ritter was probably correct in his >>> observation. However, a mystery remains as to why the paper should be >>> lightened. >>> (one chemist speculates the silver atoms are being rearranged so their >>> reflectivity changes). >>> >>> I am posting this as another example of how some observations can be >>> prematurely rejected on the basis of opinion instead of a proper follow up >>> investigation. In this case the observation is more than 200 years old! >>> >>> Harry
Re: [Vo]:The Ultraviolet Enlightenment
This effect was studied extensively thoughout the 19th and early 20th centuries, but in another field. Early researchers in photography noted the same effect and more in their experiments with Daguerrotype plates. A purposely over-exposed plate would turn very dark. If the plate was covered with pieces of colored glass and re-exposed to bright sunlight, the plate would reproduce the colors through which the light was filtered. This no doubt tantalized photographers with the idea of color photography, but the effect would eventually fade and the exposure times and light intensity requirements made that impractical. Further, there was no way to fix the image. The same effect can be demonstrated with so-called printing-out papers, silver chloride emulsions meant to be contact printed from negatives without the need for chemical development. So, basically, this is a demonstration of one field of endeavor not paying attention to developments (pun intended) in another. Besides, it's not nice to second guess Goethe. MSF --- Original Message --- On Saturday, November 26th, 2022 at 6:41 PM, H LV wrote: > This is a google english translation of a german article that was published > in December in 2021. > > The Ultraviolet Enlightenment > https://docs.google.com/document/d/178aIZp1ts5J1HCvWuZCkdoDvwbzp8tm_xiPGdonvPM8/edit?usp=sharing > > (The original article is here > https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wissen/physik-mehr/entdeckung-des-uv-die-ultraviolette-erleuchtung-17687221.html) > > It is about Goethe and Ritter in the early 1800s when Goethe encouraged > Ritter to look for invisible radiation beyond the violet > end of the spectrum given that Herschel had just discovered evidence of > radiation below the red end of the spectrum using a thermometer. > Ritter was eventually credited with the discovery of UV light using a light > sensitive paper. > > However,as the article explains he did another experiment which was inspired > by Goethe's concept of polarity but to this > day the results have been dismissed as an error. Goethe predicted that if UV > light darkened the photo chemical paper, then infrared light should lighten > the same paper. Ritter reported finding this to be the case but because the > chemical process is irreversible subsequent scientists > have insisted that the _observation_ of lightning must have been an error. > Until 2021 no one had even attempted to replicate this simple experiment, but > now there is evidence that Ritter was probably correct in his observation. > However, a mystery remains as to why the paper should be lightened. > (one chemist speculates the silver atoms are being rearranged so their > reflectivity changes). > > I am posting this as another example of how some observations can be > prematurely rejected on the basis of opinion instead of a proper follow up > investigation. In this case the observation is more than 200 years old! > > Harry
Re: [Vo]:Stimulated emission and Pre-Quantum Physics
Harry wrote: > I had to look up those references. :-) > > Susquehanna Hat Co > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THZV5g1CNZM > The Three Stooges - Slowly I Turned > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYP1OBZfFK0 > >> Clearly you have been too enveloped in your flaming youth to appreciate the finer things in life, a hindrance to your cultural and intellectual development ;-)
Re: [Vo]:This smells like an April 1 joke
I believe your olfactory skills are not required to determine this is an April Fools prank. It fairly screams its silly nature, especially the hydrogen rocket boost. If any doubt remains, the idea that you must pay in Dogecoin drives the nail into it. --- Original Message --- On Saturday, April 2nd, 2022 at 1:36 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > https://www.whichev.net/2022/04/01/elon-musk-announces-tesla-will-switch-to-hydrogen-in-2024/
Re: [Vo]:$2 million prize for simple/reproducible LENR experiment
One last thing: Anyone who attempts to replicate this method needs to take some precautions. Several of these things went pyrophoric on me when I cracked them open with the idea of analyzing for transmutation. So if you try this, make sure you're not around flammable materials and wear face protection. --- Original Message --- On Monday, February 28th, 2022 at 9:31 PM, MSF wrote: > I suspect this prize is a unicorn. Big splash page announcing said prize. > Nowhere to submit your entry. Or am I missing something? I wouldn't mind > sending in what I just posted here on Vortex just to see what happens. Just a > matter of copy and paste after all. > --- Original Message --- > On Monday, February 28th, 2022 at 8:25 PM, Jed Rothwell > wrote: > >> I wrote: >> >>> Maybe they plan to give more than one prize. It says $2 million or $3 >>> million. Maybe that means $2 million to one person and another $1 or $2 >>> million to another. >> >> I asked them if they plan to give out more than one prize. I will report >> back if they respond.
Re: [Vo]:$2 million prize for simple/reproducible LENR experiment
I suspect this prize is a unicorn. Big splash page announcing said prize. Nowhere to submit your entry. Or am I missing something? I wouldn't mind sending in what I just posted here on Vortex just to see what happens. Just a matter of copy and paste after all. --- Original Message --- On Monday, February 28th, 2022 at 8:25 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I wrote: > >> Maybe they plan to give more than one prize. It says $2 million or $3 >> million. Maybe that means $2 million to one person and another $1 or $2 >> million to another. > > I asked them if they plan to give out more than one prize. I will report back > if they respond.
Re: [Vo]:$2 million prize for simple/reproducible LENR experiment
I forgot to add that I originally did these experiments in glass tubing simply to see what was going on. After the initial success of the glass tube experiments, I had planned on going to carbon steel or stainless steel tubing with actual measurements of the amounts of nickel and copper and a quantitative record of the electric current applied to the tungsten filament. I would have electrodeposited the copper on top of the nickel instead of winding copper wire of unknown alloy composition. And of course, I would have used much higher pressure hydrogen. Sadly, I had to stop at that time.
Re: [Vo]:$2 million prize for simple/reproducible LENR experiment
As I stated before, I have no expectations. It would take more than $2 million to divert me from my present research which, although relatively trivial in the scheme of things is worth far more on an annual basis. If anyone wants to send me big bucks to abandon whatever IP claims I might have, if any, please do. I merely wanted to show what I had done, and to see what would happen if I disclosed it. I am also open to advising anyone who might want to continue with my method. But I simply haven't the time to work on it again myself. As to scalability, I think it is obvious that this technique is highly scalable. I've really not kept up with what has been happening with cold fusion and have no idea who Celani is. Whoever he is, I wish him luck. My problem with funding whatever research save what I'm doing now is that I have no credentials, no scientific papers published, and no education worthy of the name. So it places me in a position of having no chance at whoever is offering this money, especially in the government. --- Original Message --- On Monday, February 28th, 2022 at 12:09 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Jones Beene wrote: > >> Time's a wasting. This prize should be claimed by someone we know, no? > > Maybe they plan to give more than one prize. It says $2 million or $3 > million. Maybe that means $2 million to one person and another $1 or $2 > million to another. > >>
Re: [Vo]:$2 million prize for simple/reproducible LENR experiment
Well OK, folks, here it is. I've been planning to post this discovery for years, but have just been putting it off. This method has worked for me, but was done clear back in 1992 and 1993. No doubt you're asking that Strangelovian question, "Zo vy didn't you tell ze vorld, eh?" The other question would be, "Why didn't you patent this and become a billionaire?" The answer to these questions is simple. I've made three really game changing disruptive discoveries/inventions at different times in my life and had my head handed to me each time. I'm so demoralized by these events, I just didn't want to go through it again. Because of that, I've stuck to businesses that don't really attract much attention and don't need large investment capital. What I'm saying is, I'm going to tell you what I did and what the results were with no expection of any kind. Of course, if those government officials want to mail me that $2 million dollar check, I won't turn it down. Fat chance of that happening. Materials and equipment: Tungsten wire treated with oxalic acid. Sulfamate nickel plating setup. Copper wire. Steel wool. 6mm ID 1mm wall borosilcate tubing. Hydrogen tank (regular welding supply hydrogen) High vacuum setup. High vacuum evaporation chamber. Oxygen-propane torch. Ordinary hardware store propane torch. Fine grade steel wool was first cleaned in an aqueous sodium hydroxide solution aprox. 150g/L. Then rinsed in distilled water and finally in acetone. Air dried with a heat gun and placed in the vacuum chamber. My vacuum chamber uses an unusually long (approx. 200mm) tungsten filament for my own purposes. This particular filament was treated with an oxalic acid solution and rinsed with distilled water to promote the adhesion of electroplated nickel. Concentrated hydrogen peroxide is normally used for this purpose, but I have found the oxalic acid works better for me. A regular sulfamate nickel setup was used to deposit a layer of nickel on the tungsten. After the electrodeposition was finished it was removed from the setup, rinsed with distilled water and air dried with a heat gun. The filament was next spiral wrapped with various amounts of copper wire which had been stripped from telephone cable. I thought of electrodeposition of the copper as well, but I wanted to observe the copper being evaporated before the nickel. The filament was installed in the evaporation chamber along with the steel wool. The steel wool was located horizontally from the filament at about 500mm. I realize that all of this is not "scientific" because I didn't weigh the nickel or the copper and increased the current at a rate determined by how the copper wire looked as it was evaporated before the nickel. The copper melting into the nickel just as the nickel began to evaporate was observed as the point to increase the filament current, all highly subjective. Obviously, the result will be a graduated layer deposited on the steel wool starting with nearly all copper and finishing with nearly all nickel. The large surface area of the steel wool and the likely thermal distortion of it will produce all sorts of thicknesses and orientations of the cupronickel alloy. The chamber was slowly brought up to atmospheric pressure and the steel wool inserted into a prepared borosilicate tube. The glass tube was about 300mm in length, sealed at one end in the manner of a test tube bottom. The coated steel wool occupied about 100mm at the sealed end of the tube. Heavy high vacuum grade rubber tubing was connected to the glass tube with attached tee, valves and gauges to allow for admission of the hydrogen. After allowing the vacuum pumps to create about 10^-6 torr. The sealed end of the tube was then heated with a propane torch to just below the softening point of the borosilicate. As an experienced, but not very good, glassblower it's easy to recognize this temperature from the color of the glass and the flame. Again, not very scientific. After allowing the glass tube to cool down, hydrogen was admitted to a pressure of between 1/2 and 3/4 atmospheric pressure. At a place about 100mm from the sealed end of the tube the flame from an oxygen-propane torch was applied until the tube collapsed and sealed off the steel wool with its cupronickel coating. The longer end of the tubing was pulled away and the newly formed seal was heated to round off the sharp point. I likely made around a hundred of these tubes in rather rapid succession. Most of them did nothing. But something like a third of them became warm or hot for long periods of time, weeks and months. One of them became "sparkly" for a few minutes. None of them became hot enough to boil water. I have little doubt that a setup similar to this, but with the ability to allow a higher hydrogen pressure would produce more heat. I gave up these experiments for both the above stated reason and because I had to pay much more attention to my
Re: [Vo]:Steve dishes on ITER once again
I've been saying this for years. It's not just ITER that's a waste of R effort, it's most of the human enterprise of "science". "Scientists" have just become politicians with science diplomas. So many are proud of their contributions of "debunking" cold fusion, for example. When I read peer reviewed papers in my own field, it's truly amazing how many are utterly wrong or fraudulent. But they use all the latest scientific buzzwords and are dressed up with some graphs and equations, so they are published. We have witnessed the serial liar Tony Fauci describe himself as "representing science". If this creepy homunculus is right, we are in deep trouble. ITER continues because the people involved want more funding, even though they are fully aware that they are nowhere near break-even, or that it can never be achieved. They just want their salaries and big budget equipment to continue at tax payer expense. Researching something useful would just be too boring. Don't even get me started on the Large Hadron Collider. Many think that the Chinese have made so many advances in scientific research as to be unstoppable, but they have bought into it as well. After all the "I" in ITER stands for international. They have built the most powerful fusion donut yet. I hope they have fun with it. The CCP might just execute the lot of their ITER researchers when the tyrannical regime discovers they've been had. The coffin nail in American scientific enterprise to me was when Scientific American published an article advising how to protect yourself against "toxic masculinity". Now there's something scientists should really delve into. --- Original Message --- On Wednesday, February 16th, 2022 at 4:46 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > The dishonesty and the economic waste of this R effort is alarming > > http://news.newenergytimes.net/2022/02/15/open-letter-to-editors-of-science/
Re: [Vo]:A simpler test
Don't forget to give us the result of your experiment if you do it. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, January 24th, 2022 at 9:06 PM, MSF wrote: > Now that we have learned about all there is to learn about the acquisition > and preservation of dry ice, I think you're right about this test. The double > parabola test you initially proposed would not have proved or disproved > cooling radiation. The dry ice at the focus would have been a radiative heat > sink and would have lowered the temperature at the other focus. At least > that's my opinion of it. > > The simpler test you propose really demonstrates the idea of cooling > radiation as its own wave phenomenon, if it exists. > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > On Monday, January 24th, 2022 at 5:35 PM, H LV hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: > > > From a fabrication standpoint here is an even simpler test for cooling > > > > radiation. > > > > It consists of a truncated cone lined with reflective mylar on the > > > > inside. The wide end is open to the sky and a thermometer is located > > > > at the vertex of the cone. > > > > See diagram: > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1p7coRgUqwzMGw40DhUQzJACCyHrd8EL5/view?usp=sharing > > > > If cooling radiation does not exist then the temperature of the > > > > thermometer should be about the same or perhaps slightly warmer when > > > > the cone is above it. > > > > However, if cooling radiation is real and has wave-like properties > > > > then the cone should focus the cooling radiation from the sky onto the > > > > thermometer and lower its temperature. > > > > Harry
Re: [Vo]:A simpler test
Now that we have learned about all there is to learn about the acquisition and preservation of dry ice, I think you're right about this test. The double parabola test you initially proposed would not have proved or disproved cooling radiation. The dry ice at the focus would have been a radiative heat sink and would have lowered the temperature at the other focus. At least that's my opinion of it. The simpler test you propose really demonstrates the idea of cooling radiation as its own wave phenomenon, if it exists. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, January 24th, 2022 at 5:35 PM, H LV wrote: > From a fabrication standpoint here is an even simpler test for cooling > > radiation. > > It consists of a truncated cone lined with reflective mylar on the > > inside. The wide end is open to the sky and a thermometer is located > > at the vertex of the cone. > > See diagram: > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1p7coRgUqwzMGw40DhUQzJACCyHrd8EL5/view?usp=sharing > > If cooling radiation does not exist then the temperature of the > > thermometer should be about the same or perhaps slightly warmer when > > the cone is above it. > > However, if cooling radiation is real and has wave-like properties > > then the cone should focus the cooling radiation from the sky onto the > > thermometer and lower its temperature. > > Harry
Re: [Vo]:Dry Ice
How to make dry ice with a fire extinguisher: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLNHDxd6nDc How to make dry ice with a paintball tank: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7U2CbxfMMk ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, January 21st, 2022 at 8:08 PM, MSF wrote: > It seems as if you are going to do some serious experimenting, and would have > to make that 5 hour trek more often than you would like. You could save > yourself a lot of time and gasoline if you just made your own dry ice. It's > pretty simple. You can buy the whole setup. It's basically a canvas bag > connected to a CO2 cylinder. You can rent the gas cylinder from a welding > supply house. Obviously, that's more expensive than buying some dry ice, but > probably cheaper than making that trip frequently. > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > On Friday, January 21st, 2022 at 6:15 PM, H LV hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: > > > Thanks. The same supplier also makes liquid nitrogen, although if I > > > > use liquid nitrogen then I would have to buy a special vessel. > > > > For a few years now I have been thinking about redoing a key > > > > experiment in the development of radiation theory and then following > > > > it up with an experimental modification which has never been tried > > > > according to my own historical research. The original experiment > > > > performed by Pictet in the 1790s involves placing a flask of > > > > ice/water/salt at the focus of one parabolic reflector and a > > > > thermometer at the focus of another parabolic reflector. The distance > > > > between the foci is several feet but the thermometer cools down > > > > significantly. Initially Pictet was surprised because he thought > > > > nothing would happen, but he later came to explain the effect in terms > > > > of what we now call radiative cooling whereby the parabolic reflector > > > > near the thermometer prevented the thermometer from being warmed by > > > > its surroundings causing it to lose heat to the ice. However, Count > > > > Rumford said it was cooled by the action of frigorific or cooling > > > > emanations from the ice being focused onto the thermometer. Pictet > > > > thought his explanation was closer to the truth but acknowledged that > > > > the experimental result could be explained equally well by either > > > > explanation. I want to redo the experiment but also perform a new > > > > experiment where the two parabolic reflectors are replaced with one > > > > elliptical reflector because it should produce a result which more > > > > clearly favors one explanation over the other. > > > > This is a diagram I made of the original experiment along with my > > > > proposed modification: > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/16HkSc_BvIvIWJCDwr_KwypW1fhuIUzCf/view?usp=sharing > > > > In this 1985 paper the authors describe Pictect's original experiment > > > > in more detail and the ideas that were in play at the time. They also > > > > describe their recreation of the experiment using liquid nitrogen, a > > > > brass ball and parabolic reflectors made of mylar and cardboard: > > > > http://webspace.pugetsound.edu/facultypages/jcevans/Pictet's experiment.pdf > > > > Harry > > > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 4:41 PM MSF foster...@protonmail.com wrote: > > > > > When transporting or storing dry ice, styrofoam is your friend. A Dewar > > > flask would be preferable, but only thermos bottles are commonly > > > available, and a lot of them are no longer Dewars. A styrofoam cooler > > > would probably make your dry ice last the 2 1/2 hour trip as long as it's > > > full. Large pieces are preferable just to reduce the total surface area. > > > > > > Since you would be traveling in a car, you would want to make sure of > > > good ventilation to prevent carbon dioxide build up. > > > > > > Storing in a freezer could help, as long as the dry ice is inside a > > > styrofoam container. The freezer, although far above the dry ice > > > temperature would at least slow down the heat loss. > > > > > > Some of your fancier ice cream places are using liquid nitrogen to make > > > instant ice cream, so if that would do the trick for your cooling > > > purpose, there might be a supply nearer you. > > > > > > ‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > > > > > On Thursday, January 20th, 2022 at 3:55 PM, H LV hveeder...@gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Does anyone here have experience transporting and storing dry ice? > > > > > > > > If you keep it stored in an ordinary freezer how long will ice cube > > > > > > > > sized pieces last? > > > > > > > > The closest supplier I can find is a 2.5 hour drive away. Will it even > > > > > > > > last 2.5 hours if stored in a cooler or thermos bottle? Would larger > > > > > > > > chunks be better? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Harry
Re: [Vo]:Dry Ice
It seems as if you are going to do some serious experimenting, and would have to make that 5 hour trek more often than you would like. You could save yourself a lot of time and gasoline if you just made your own dry ice. It's pretty simple. You can buy the whole setup. It's basically a canvas bag connected to a CO2 cylinder. You can rent the gas cylinder from a welding supply house. Obviously, that's more expensive than buying some dry ice, but probably cheaper than making that trip frequently. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, January 21st, 2022 at 6:15 PM, H LV wrote: > Thanks. The same supplier also makes liquid nitrogen, although if I > > use liquid nitrogen then I would have to buy a special vessel. > > For a few years now I have been thinking about redoing a key > > experiment in the development of radiation theory and then following > > it up with an experimental modification which has never been tried > > according to my own historical research. The original experiment > > performed by Pictet in the 1790s involves placing a flask of > > ice/water/salt at the focus of one parabolic reflector and a > > thermometer at the focus of another parabolic reflector. The distance > > between the foci is several feet but the thermometer cools down > > significantly. Initially Pictet was surprised because he thought > > nothing would happen, but he later came to explain the effect in terms > > of what we now call radiative cooling whereby the parabolic reflector > > near the thermometer prevented the thermometer from being warmed by > > its surroundings causing it to lose heat to the ice. However, Count > > Rumford said it was cooled by the action of frigorific or cooling > > emanations from the ice being focused onto the thermometer. Pictet > > thought his explanation was closer to the truth but acknowledged that > > the experimental result could be explained equally well by either > > explanation. I want to redo the experiment but also perform a new > > experiment where the two parabolic reflectors are replaced with one > > elliptical reflector because it should produce a result which more > > clearly favors one explanation over the other. > > This is a diagram I made of the original experiment along with my > > proposed modification: > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/16HkSc_BvIvIWJCDwr_KwypW1fhuIUzCf/view?usp=sharing > > In this 1985 paper the authors describe Pictect's original experiment > > in more detail and the ideas that were in play at the time. They also > > describe their recreation of the experiment using liquid nitrogen, a > > brass ball and parabolic reflectors made of mylar and cardboard: > > http://webspace.pugetsound.edu/facultypages/jcevans/Pictet's experiment.pdf > > Harry > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 4:41 PM MSF foster...@protonmail.com wrote: > > > When transporting or storing dry ice, styrofoam is your friend. A Dewar > > flask would be preferable, but only thermos bottles are commonly available, > > and a lot of them are no longer Dewars. A styrofoam cooler would probably > > make your dry ice last the 2 1/2 hour trip as long as it's full. Large > > pieces are preferable just to reduce the total surface area. > > > > Since you would be traveling in a car, you would want to make sure of good > > ventilation to prevent carbon dioxide build up. > > > > Storing in a freezer could help, as long as the dry ice is inside a > > styrofoam container. The freezer, although far above the dry ice > > temperature would at least slow down the heat loss. > > > > Some of your fancier ice cream places are using liquid nitrogen to make > > instant ice cream, so if that would do the trick for your cooling purpose, > > there might be a supply nearer you. > > > > ‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > > > On Thursday, January 20th, 2022 at 3:55 PM, H LV hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > Does anyone here have experience transporting and storing dry ice? > > > > > > If you keep it stored in an ordinary freezer how long will ice cube > > > > > > sized pieces last? > > > > > > The closest supplier I can find is a 2.5 hour drive away. Will it even > > > > > > last 2.5 hours if stored in a cooler or thermos bottle? Would larger > > > > > > chunks be better? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Harry
Re: [Vo]:Dry Ice
When transporting or storing dry ice, styrofoam is your friend. A Dewar flask would be preferable, but only thermos bottles are commonly available, and a lot of them are no longer Dewars. A styrofoam cooler would probably make your dry ice last the 2 1/2 hour trip as long as it's full. Large pieces are preferable just to reduce the total surface area. Since you would be traveling in a car, you would want to make sure of good ventilation to prevent carbon dioxide build up. Storing in a freezer could help, as long as the dry ice is inside a styrofoam container. The freezer, although far above the dry ice temperature would at least slow down the heat loss. Some of your fancier ice cream places are using liquid nitrogen to make instant ice cream, so if that would do the trick for your cooling purpose, there might be a supply nearer you. ‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, January 20th, 2022 at 3:55 PM, H LV wrote: > Does anyone here have experience transporting and storing dry ice? > > If you keep it stored in an ordinary freezer how long will ice cube > > sized pieces last? > > The closest supplier I can find is a 2.5 hour drive away. Will it even > > last 2.5 hours if stored in a cooler or thermos bottle? Would larger > > chunks be better? > > Thanks. > > Harry
Re: [Vo]:Macedonio Melloni's 1846 Moonlight Experiment
One wonders what Melloni's detector was. Very sensitive was Edison's tasimeter, which from what I've read could detect radiation from individual stars at the prime focus of a telescope. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, January 17th, 2022 at 2:47 PM, H LV wrote: > The first person credited with detecting heat from moonlight was > > Macedonio Melloni in 1846. Below is a brief description of the > > experiment from "Infrared metaphysics: the elusive ontology of > > radiation. Part 1" by Hasok Chang , Sabina Leonelli. > > (Btw, I have read elsewhere that the experiment was performed on top > > of Mount Vesuvius rather than on his apartment balcony. Scientific > > folklore perhaps?) > > There is a link below of a video described as a reconstruction of > > Melloni's experiment. However it is only a laboratory demonstration > > using an electric burner as a source of infrared radiation, but it > > does use Melloni's large fresnel lens which is worth seeing. If the > > temperature change observed by Melloni was the same as in the video, > > then he observed an increase of only about 0.25 degrees. > > begin quote: > > < > a magnificent lens out to the balcony of his apartment in Naples. He > > had just received the lens, one meter in diameter and the finest he > > had acquired so far for the Osservatorio Metereologico then under his > > direction. Melloni expectantly trained the powerfully focused > > moonlight on his 'thermomultiplier', the most sensitive thermometer > > yet known to science. To his delight, the thermomultiplier needle > > swung immediately on receiving the light. Over the ages moonlight had > > been considered the archetype of 'cold light', famously listed under > > the heading of 'negative instances of heat' in Francis Bacon's > > analysis of thermal phenomena designed to illustrate the methods of > > the new inductive science in the seventeenth century. Marc-Auguste > > Pictet in the late eighteenth century focused moonbeams into a bright > > light, but still detected no heat. Now Melloni had finally shown the > > fallacy of the old opinion. Only moments later, however, Melloni's > > delight turned into puzzlement as he noticed that the direction of the > > needle-swing indicated a cooling of the thermometer by the moonlight. > > That would not do. Melloni considered possible sources of error, made > > calculations, and cajoled the instruments, repeating the trials until > > he managed to produce a repeatable detection of a positive heating > > effect. > > This was not a frivolous experiment. Melloni was at the height of a > > productive research career that earned him the epithet of 'the founder > > of the science' of radiant heat, even 'the Newton of heat'. He made > > the moonlight experiment with a very specific purpose in mind: Melloni > > needed moonlight to have heat, in order to uphold his recent > > conversion to the view that illumination and radiant heat were both > > effects of one and the same cause. The radiation of heat (unmediated, > > near instantaneous transfer of heat) had been the subject of active > > research at least since about 1790, but the nature of radiant heat had > > still not been elucidated thoroughly. Melloni's importance in the > > history of science now rests mostly on his contributions toward the > > identification of radiant heat as long-wavelength light, but curiously > > he had spent the 1830s piling up experiment after experiment that went > > against the idea that 'obscure radiant heat' was 'invisible light'. > > His experimental arguments had convinced many others to turn away from > > the apparently absurd notion of non-illuminating light.>> > > end quote > > a reconstruction of a historical experiment > > https://youtu.be/iDcy21D6LLc > > Harry
Re: [Vo]:Using the cold universe as a renewable and sustainable energy source
This is indeed great stuff. Jed, do you have a reference to the Lowland India method? I can only find the Persian ice making structures. Or are they the same? ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, January 13th, 2022 at 7:18 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > This is great stuff. > > This method was used to make ice in lowland India starting in the 16th > century. Lowland India is hot!
Re: [Vo]:Using the cold universe as a renewable and sustainable energy source
I found this article interesting for several reasons. I specialize in manufacturing large quantities of micro/nano-structured surfaces, mostly for decorative purposes. I made a sample run of that structure pictured about half way down the article, labeled "E". The customer wouldn't tell me what it's purpose was, but I am used to that so I didn't think anything more about it. Usually nothing comes of these technical sample runs. A lot of things need to be done to reduce dependence on air condition and it doesn't need to be as fancy as sub-ambient radiative cooling. Think of all the energy wasted cooling black automobiles, for example. The roof of the average house is probably effectively 80% black. We are willing to sacrifice all kinds of things just because it might not be pretty or stylish. What if everyone just painted his roof magnesium oxide white? Not going to happen is it? An example from long ago in my past is rather dramatic. Decades ago, I had a traveling laser light show at state fairs. It was shown in a 70 ft. diameter inflatable dome. The dome was made of a metallic pigmented vinyl. It was sort of a silver-gray color, still quite sunlight absorptive. It could get quite hot in there, reducing business. My business partner and I had a rather spirited disagreement about getting this huge semi-trailer size air conditioning unit or using my solution to the problem, which was simply to put a metallized plastic film slip cover on the dome. His air-conditioning "expert" explained why my idea couldn't possibly work. I prevailed in the end, just because of the relative expense. The effect was remarkable. As the dome was place on bare lawn or paving, ground cooling took effect. Even on the hottest days, it could become a little cooler than was comfortable. This is rather remarkable considering that outside air was pumped in to support the dome structure. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, January 12th, 2022 at 8:11 PM, H LV wrote: > Terrestrial radiative cooling: Using the cold universe as a renewable and > sustainable energy source > > https://www.sciencemagazinedigital.org/sciencemagazine/13_november_2020/MobilePagedArticle.action?articleId=1637817#articleId1637817 > > A presentation of the paper on youtube > https://youtu.be/_O6x47BjYT4 > > Harry
Re: [Vo]:Bizarre implications
I liked PKD's original titles better. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?, We Can Remember It for You Wholesale, and so on.
Re: [Vo]:Bizarre implications
I think we are all suffering from Lockdown Lunacy. Yes, PKD's stuff is highly imaginative; too bad he didn't live to see all the movies made from his stories. The guy barely made a living while he was alive. Conversely, ERB bought up what is now a large part of Los Angeles (Tarzana). ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, January 11th, 2022 at 6:06 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > ... not to mention PKD's fabulous story: "Total Recall" which has the further > subplot of implanted memory > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Recall_(1990_film)#Reality_or_fantasy > > MSF wrote: > > So it looks as if Edgar Rice Burroughs was right. We should rename the place > Barsoom and see if we can find John Carter's tomb :-) > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > >> Ancient history of Mars? >> >> https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2015/eposter/2660.pdf >> >> Maybe Elon, a suspected alien himself - knows a few things that we don't >> even begin to comprehend :-)
Re: [Vo]:Bizarre implications
So it looks as if Edgar Rice Burroughs was right. We should rename the place Barsoom and see if we can find John Carter's tomb :-) ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, January 11th, 2022 at 3:35 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > Ancient history of Mars? > > https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2015/eposter/2660.pdf > > Maybe Elon, a suspected alien himself - knows a few things that we don't even > begin to comprehend :-)
Re: [Vo]:OT Michael Shellenberger opposes California's gas car phase out
I'm all for electric cars, except those aspects of them that are controlled by entities other than the driver. As has been demonstrated more than once, even gasoline powered cars of recent manufacture are connected to the internet and can be disabled or modified remotely. I have disconnected all that stuff on my cars. We just don't have enough generating capacity or enough copper wire to have a 100% electric fleet. For example, the average current draw of the average American house is about 1.3 kW. The overnight full charge draw of a Tesla Model 3 is 7kW. When you consider that here in California, there have been major blackouts and brown-outs during hot recent hot weather, a sudden mandated change is not even close to being practical. No doubt these problems can be solved, but unrealistic mandates will be yet another economy destroyer. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, January 3rd, 2022 at 3:40 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Electric cars will not be a burden on the power grid if most of them are > charged overnight. They will cause the power grid to consume more natural > gas, but overall much less energy and CO2 emissions than gasoline would. They > would be a problem if they were charged during the day. With modern power > meters, electric power rates can be set to avoid this. > >>
Re: [Vo]:OT: steam locomotive
I take it I'm the only Vort with first-hand experience with these old beasts. My grandfather was a brakeman on the Union Pacific railroad when I was a little boy. Back then, while all the passenger trains were diesel-electric, a lot of the freight haulers were still steam. Old Gramps would take me down to the yard and have one of his engineer friends let me ride in one of the steam locomotives once in while. I can't tell you how much fun that was. There is no steam where Buster Keaton appears to light his cigarette. That's the smoke box, the least hot part of the boiler where the exhaust from the coal fire goes. I'm sure the cigarette was already lit. I know from trying, if you touch the side of a steam locomotive, it's about as hot as clothing iron. You can wet your finger and make it go kssst. After this long nostalgic preamble, the answer to your question is no. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, January 2nd, 2022 at 11:55 PM, H LV wrote: > In this short clip Buster Keaton lights a cigarette by pressing it against > the boiler of a steam locomotive. > Would the surface of the boiler get hot enough to do that? > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AIyB_-HYcs > > Harry
Re: [Vo]:Information transfer
On the other hand, you could go totally old school and use a coherer. The mail deliverer might object to the long antenna on the mail box, but it could work. Check out my favorite coherer link: http://sparkbangbuzz.com/els/coherer-el.htm ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, December 29th, 2021 at 1:21 AM, Robin wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for an elegant, simple, cheap means of transmitting a single bit > of information over a distance of 50 > > meters, without wires. > > Imaginative solutions sought. :) > > Regards, > > Robin van Spaandonk mixent...@aussiebroadband.com.au
Re: [Vo]:Information transfer
Very sad for the condition of the almost non-existent manufacturing sector of the U.S. economy. I'm in a manufacturing business and almost all of my suppliers are foreign. I've been ranting on for nearly 40 years about us giving away the store on manufacturing and have been mocked for it. The chickens have come home to roost. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, December 29th, 2021 at 9:43 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > Brilliant ... and (in general) such gadgets as solar powered motion detectors > are such a bargain aren't they? > > Isn't it amazing how the level of affordable sophistication in relatively > mundane products has increased - and at very low cost considering the > technology involved. The progress in the most recent decade blows my mind. > > The potential downside... This stuff would not have been possible even at 10x > the cost --- without China ... > > MSF wrote: > > The solution to your problem has likely already been built. It's the remote > motion detector. You can buy these on ebay for around 20 dollars US. Just > drop the motion detector in the mailbox and it triggers a really loud alarm > on the receiving unit inside your house. I have used these in my back garden > to detect sneaky racoons digging up my lawn. They claim a very long range, > 400ft to 900ft, but I'm not sure how far it would be enclosed in a mail box. > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > On Wednesday, December 29th, 2021 at 1:21 AM, Robin > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm looking for an elegant, simple, cheap means of transmitting a single bit >> of information over a distance of 50 >> >> meters, without wires. >> >> Imaginative solutions sought. :)
Re: [Vo]:Information transfer
The solution to your problem has likely already been built. It's the remote motion detector. You can buy these on ebay for around 20 dollars US. Just drop the motion detector in the mailbox and it triggers a really loud alarm on the receiving unit inside your house. I have used these in my back garden to detect sneaky racoons digging up my lawn. They claim a very long range, 400ft to 900ft, but I'm not sure how far it would be enclosed in a mail box. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, December 29th, 2021 at 1:21 AM, Robin wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for an elegant, simple, cheap means of transmitting a single bit > of information over a distance of 50 > > meters, without wires. > > Imaginative solutions sought. :) > > Regards, > > Robin van Spaandonk mixent...@aussiebroadband.com.au
Re: [Vo]:Information transfer
What's your goal? Is it to demonstrate how simple or clever such a thing could be or do you have a practical result in mind? Do you want this to operate as a remote switch or merely to show a record of the bit transfer on the receiving end? ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, December 29th, 2021 at 1:21 AM, Robin wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for an elegant, simple, cheap means of transmitting a single bit > of information over a distance of 50 > > meters, without wires. > > Imaginative solutions sought. :) > > Regards, > > Robin van Spaandonk mixent...@aussiebroadband.com.au
Re: [Vo]:Oldschool VORTEX-L topics, Xmas present
Nice. Thanks, Bill! ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, December 27th, 2021 at 9:19 AM, William Beaty wrote: > Go grab a copy of this from archive.org... > > NEW ENERGY TECHNOLOGY magazine, 2001-2005 (25 issues) > > 300meg ZIP of pdf collection > > http://web.archive.org/web/20190808090740/http://www.faraday.ru/net25.zip > > I notice that Alex Frolov's old 300meg PDF archive of New Energy > > Technology magazine has vanished from his Faraday.ru website. English > > language version, mostly. N.E.T magazine is even better than Electric > > Spacecraft Journal and Fortean Times (lots more weird physics!) HOURS of > > mental entertainment (nay! weeks!) > > Or find inidiviual PDF files online: http://www.faraday.ru/net.htm > > On Wed, 15 Dec 2021, bobcook39...@hotmail.com wrote: > > > Terry Blanton in a thread here sevral weeks back compared phase transitions > > > > to witch craft.. > > Most phase transitions are a "fractal edge," nonlinear populations > > impossible to understand until the mid-1980s, when nonlinear dynamics > > birthed the Complexity sciences, and some methods to investigate Emergent > > Phenomena. The boiling and freezing points of water are not stored in the > > water molecule, but instead are Emergent patterns, stored across a > > population. They're basically similar witchcraft to turbulence: ab initio > > creation of vorticity from thermal vibrations or perhaps from QM noise. > > Continuous repeated amplification of nano-noise, femto-noise, sensitive > > dependence on initial conditions, but producing some threshold phenomena > > and "growth from seeds." > > (( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))) > > William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website > > billb at amasci com http://amasci.com > > EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair > > Seattle, WA 206-762-3818 unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:[OT]Omicron
You are probably right about this, Robin. It's the natural sequence of events with new viruses. They eventually weaken as new strains emerge and herd immunity becomes stronger. Are you in NSW? That can't be a pleasant experience. Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, December 9th, 2021 at 8:48 AM, Robin wrote: > Hi, > > If Omicron doesn't create severe illness it may protect against other more > virulent strains of the virus, by creating > > an immune response. The fact that it is more infectious may turn out to be a > boon rather than a problem, as it would > > outpace all other strains, and "immunize" those who are unwilling to get the > jab. > > It may also save governments around the world from having to spend billions > on vaccines. > > Regards, > > Robin van Spaandonk mixent...@aussiebroadband.com.au
[Vo]:Thanksgiving
A happy and peaceful Thanksgiving to all you Vorts.
Re: [Vo]:The "hero" LENR experiment ?
Jones, is there a link where we could access your monel metal experiments? Years ago, I did a lot of CF experiments using cupronickel in an unusual form. These were successful, but the results were inconsistent for reasons that are obvious when you know my procedure. I am not a scientist, so I have no written records of my methods, but I think I should write up a brief description of what I did giving anyone who is interested to try the same. The discussion on this thread about iron oxide as a catalyst might explain why my technique appeared to work.
