Re: [Vo]:Another View-Understanding of eCat working

2012-09-01 Thread Harry Veeder
There are never enough planck seconds in a day.
harry

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
 OOps!  Rounding error.  Planck time =5.4x10^-44s.

 T




Re: [Vo]:Another View-Understanding of eCat working

2012-08-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 3:26 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
 To further that thought...

 Massive black holes are the ultimate sub-woofer and micro black holes the
 ultimate high-range tweeter.

WISE support:

http://www.space.com/17359-black-holes-millions-found-nasa-space-telescope.html

T



[Vo]:Another View-Understanding of eCat working

2012-08-31 Thread ChemE Stewart
And I am sure those are just the really big black holes we can see.  They
come in all masses depending upon age, location and how much matter
initially collided/collapsed and many probably contain past solar systems
and probably past civilizations.  I'll bet they far far outnumber humans it
is just that our minds have a hard time wrapping around them.  They help
create matter from the vacuum as well as consume and evaporate it.

Its just gravity

Stewart
http://wp.me/p26aeb-4


On Friday, August 31, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote:

 On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 3:26 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
  To further that thought...
 
  Massive black holes are the ultimate sub-woofer and micro black holes the
  ultimate high-range tweeter.

 WISE support:


 http://www.space.com/17359-black-holes-millions-found-nasa-space-telescope.html

 T




Re: [Vo]:Another View-Understanding of eCat working

2012-08-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 8:53 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

 Its just gravity

There is no such thing as gravity.  The earth sucks.

Sorry, I could not resist.

Have you noticed how a spiral galaxy resembles a water drain?

T



Re: [Vo]:Another View-Understanding of eCat working

2012-08-31 Thread ChemE Stewart
I guess since massive black holes at the center of most galaxies warp
spacetime you are probably right.  Solar systems roll right around the
drain into the hole.

On Friday, August 31, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote:

 On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 8:53 PM, ChemE Stewart 
 cheme...@gmail.comjavascript:;
 wrote:

  Its just gravity

 There is no such thing as gravity.  The earth sucks.

 Sorry, I could not resist.

 Have you noticed how a spiral galaxy resembles a water drain?

 T




Re: [Vo]:Another View-Understanding of eCat working

2012-08-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 9:05 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
 I guess since massive black holes at the center of most galaxies warp
 spacetime you are probably right.  Solar systems roll right around the drain
 into the hole.

Okay, that given, then explore the possibility that we might be
dealing with a mirror world, a world of negative energy on the other
side of absolute zero.  This world might be populated with white holes
which maintain the balance.

(Credit to Don Hotson here.)

T



Re: [Vo]:Another View-Understanding of eCat working

2012-08-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Okay, that given, then explore the possibility that we might be
 dealing with a mirror world, a world of negative energy on the other
 side of absolute zero.  This world might be populated with white holes
 which maintain the balance.

 (Credit to Don Hotson here.)

World really means Universe.

T



Re: [Vo]:Another View-Understanding of eCat working

2012-08-31 Thread Terry Blanton
For the new student, we start here:

http://openseti.org/Docs/HotsonPart1.pdf

(Don't miss the delightful sidebar on p. 1)

T



Re: [Vo]:Another View-Understanding of eCat working

2012-08-31 Thread ChemE Stewart
Sorry about the small font
Steven Hawking demonstrated with quantum mechanics that a black hole
emits Hawking
radiation http://www.universetoday.com/40856/hawking-radiation/ and can
come to thermal equilibrium. That same thermal equilibrium stays unchanged
in time reversal. So, according to Hawking the reverse of a black hole in
thermal equilibrium is a black hole in thermal equilibrium; meaning that a
hole, black or white, is the same thing.

Read more: http://www.universetoday.com/53948/white-hole/#ixzz25B2faalV

On Friday, August 31, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote:

 On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Terry Blanton 
 hohlr...@gmail.comjavascript:;
 wrote:

  Okay, that given, then explore the possibility that we might be
  dealing with a mirror world, a world of negative energy on the other
  side of absolute zero.  This world might be populated with white holes
  which maintain the balance.
 
  (Credit to Don Hotson here.)

 World really means Universe.

 T




Re: [Vo]:Another View-Understanding of eCat working

2012-08-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 9:30 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:+

 So, according to Hawking the
 reverse of a black hole in thermal equilibrium is a black hole in thermal
 equilibrium; meaning that a hole, black or white, is the same thing.

Precisely!  Now read your homework assignment and we will talk tomorrow.

Class dismissed!

T



Re: [Vo]:Another View-Understanding of eCat working

2012-08-31 Thread Terry Blanton
In case you missed it:

http://openseti.org/Docs/HotsonPart1.pdf

T



Re: [Vo]:Another View-Understanding of eCat working

2012-08-31 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 9:05 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
 I guess since massive black holes at the center of most galaxies warp
 spacetime you are probably right.  Solar systems roll right around the drain
 into the hole.

 Okay, that given, then explore the possibility that we might be
 dealing with a mirror world, a world of negative energy on the other
 side of absolute zero.  This world might be populated with white holes
 which maintain the balance.

 (Credit to Don Hotson here.)

 T

Is the kinetic energy in that world also negative so that when a
particle with negative kinetic energy collides with a particle of
equal but positive kinetic energy the result is zero energy?

Harry

Harry



Re: [Vo]:Another View-Understanding of eCat working

2012-08-31 Thread Terry Blanton
In honor of Gnorts, Mr Alien, the Science Channel is doing a marathon
on Apollo (the mission, not the god).  There is a lot of information
there that I never knew.

And, tonight we have a rare blue moon.  The man therein is so sad.

Why do we not have a president with the courage of JFK who devotes our
scientific Curiosity to LENR?

I guess he will have to be (re)elected first.

O! , here's your chance to be the one we used to know:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJnAp3YxCCw

T



Re: [Vo]:Another View-Understanding of eCat working

2012-08-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is the kinetic energy in that world also negative so that when a
 particle with negative kinetic energy collides with a particle of
 equal but positive kinetic energy the result is zero energy?

I think there is a Planck time issue here (5.3x10^-44s).  The answer
is yes, assuming the recombination occurs within the half cycle of
Planck time.  Otherwise, maybe there is an energy gain due to the
physical separation.  What could cause the separation of these virtual
particles in this period?

Could gravity be involved?  Stewart?

T



Re: [Vo]:Another View-Understanding of eCat working

2012-08-31 Thread Terry Blanton
OOps!  Rounding error.  Planck time =5.4x10^-44s.

T



Re: [Vo]:Another View-Understanding of eCat working

2012-08-31 Thread Terry Blanton
Note that these epos are fermions; so, no (little) mass is involved.
I guess we are speaking of energy of spin momentum.

And also note that these particles have half integer spin; so, their
rotation cycle is 720 degrees.  Hence the requirement for more than
1/2 of the Planck time cycle.  It becomes an asymmetrical
recombination with a net energy release.

Or not.  Bizzaro world, n'est-ce pas?

T



Re: [Vo]:Another View-Understanding of eCat working

2012-08-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On second thought, it only requires a difference in spin phase for a
net energy release.

Late, going to bed.

T



Re: [Vo]:Another View-Understanding of eCat working

2012-08-31 Thread ChemE Stewart
Gravity is ALWAYS involved, even for massless particles.

Massless particles are known to experience the same gravitational
acceleration as other particles (which provides empirical evidence for
the equivalence
principle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivalence_principle) because
they do have relativistic masshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_mass,
which is what acts as the gravity charge.

On Friday, August 31, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote:

 On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Harry Veeder 
 hveeder...@gmail.comjavascript:;
 wrote:

  Is the kinetic energy in that world also negative so that when a
  particle with negative kinetic energy collides with a particle of
  equal but positive kinetic energy the result is zero energy?

 I think there is a Planck time issue here (5.3x10^-44s).  The answer
 is yes, assuming the recombination occurs within the half cycle of
 Planck time.  Otherwise, maybe there is an energy gain due to the
 physical separation.  What could cause the separation of these virtual
 particles in this period?

 Could gravity be involved?  Stewart?

 T




[Vo]:Another View-Understanding of eCat working

2012-08-29 Thread Compose Music
For Musicians, Artists, Fat Bureaucrats  Others Unwilling to Examine a New Beat,Take off the blinders and at least investigate this concept:Found in Rossi's Journal ---  This means that all the theories based on current Theoretical Physics, (as for instance the attempts made by Peter Hagelstein, Widom-Larsen, Edmund Storms, etc.), actually are very far away from the true explanation for cold fusion, and they are wasting their time trying to understand cold fusion with their surpassed understanding on Nuclear Physics. So, there is need, indeed, a New Physics, with new foundations. Perhaps Rossi is using the flyback suggested by me in May-2012: Is Rossi’s New Solid State e-Cat a gravity device ? (Score: 1) http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=3385mode=nestedorder=0thold=0#14765 If yes, then Rossi’s new Hot e-Cat is indeed a gravity device. Regards WLADEnd of paste.Left click that Blue line hyperlink if you dare.Harmonize The Thought to a 3/4 Waltz  



Re: [Vo]:Another View-Understanding of eCat working

2012-08-29 Thread ChemE Stewart
To further that thought...

Massive black holes are the ultimate sub-woofer and micro black holes the
ultimate high-range tweeter.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-06/black-holes-jam-on-bass-to-accompany-star-creation.html


Yes, I believe cold fusion is nothing but the effects of quantum gravity
making its presence felt in the macro world.  This goes for SonoFusion,
Bubble Fusion, ColdFusion, PappFusion, TerraWattFusion,
LightningBallFusion, PattersonBeadFusion, MileyVoidFusion, DGTMicroFusion,
CelaniWireFusion and RossiMediaCircusFusion.

Matter or Energy In Energy Out

Stewart
http://wp.me/p26aeb-4



On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Compose Music composemu...@inbox.lvwrote:

 For Musicians, Artists, Fat Bureaucrats  Others Unwilling to Examine a
 New Beat,
 Take off the blinders and at least investigate this concept:
 Found in Rossi's Journal ---  This means that all the theories based on
 current Theoretical Physics, (*as for instance the attempts made by Peter
 Hagelstein, Widom-Larsen, Edmund Storms, etc.*), actually are very far
 away from the true explanation for cold fusion, and they are wasting their
 time trying to understand cold fusion with their surpassed understanding on
 Nuclear Physics.

 So, there is need, indeed, a New Physics, with new foundations.

 Perhaps Rossi is using the flyback suggested by me in May-2012:
 *Is Rossi’s New Solid State e-Cat a gravity device ? (Score: 1)*

 http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=3385mode=nestedorder=0thold=0#14765

 If yes, then Rossi’s new Hot e-Cat is indeed a gravity device.
 Regards
 WLAD

 End of paste.

 Left click that Blue line hyperlink if you dare.

 Harmonize The Thought to a 3/4 Waltz




RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Another View-Understanding of eCat working

2012-08-29 Thread Roarty, Francis X
WLAD,
I happen to agree with you that there is a gravitational 
interaction, Difiore et all tried stacking cavities to prove this in the early 
2000’s without any luck but I think they overlooked the need for 3rd body 
interactions with gas molecules to bias what is otherwise a balanced effect 
between concentrated zones of suppression inside the cavity and larger but very 
shallow fields of compression outside the cavity. I posited a Rossi or Mills 
type reactor placed in a balance scale and intentionally unbalanced will 
display an opposition that delays the reading from dampening out to a final 
reading for a longer period than that same reactor when turned off.  We may 
differ on the underlying methods since your reference to electrical is probably 
related to the motions of ions where I suggest it is a difference in opposition 
to mobility between ions and molecules translating between different values of 
Casimir suppression and how that can exploit ZPE/HUP/Gas law to discount 
disassociation to over unity. I visualize a 4d covalent bonded molecule like a 
butterfly where the protons are always just a little in the future and orbital 
electrons trail behind in  micro relativistic wells forming the wings at a 
standard temporal angle – that they want to maintain,  I am positing that 
moving to a different inertial frame or  suppression zone will  put pressure on 
these wings that discounts the amount of heat needed to disassociate – when the 
molecule immediately reforms these wings are normalized to the local pressure 
and the discount won’t reoccur until random motion of gas law pushes them into 
a different suppression zone.
Fran

From: Compose Music [mailto:composemu...@inbox.lv]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 2:53 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Another View-Understanding of eCat working

For Musicians, Artists, Fat Bureaucrats  Others Unwilling to Examine a New 
Beat,
Take off the blinders and at least investigate this concept:
Found in Rossi's Journal ---  This means that all the theories based on 
current Theoretical Physics, (as for instance the attempts made by Peter 
Hagelstein, Widom-Larsen, Edmund Storms, etc.), actually are very far away from 
the true explanation for cold fusion, and they are wasting their time trying to 
understand cold fusion with their surpassed understanding on Nuclear Physics.

So, there is need, indeed, a New Physics, with new foundations.

Perhaps Rossi is using the flyback suggested by me in May-2012:
Is Rossi’s New Solid State e-Cat a gravity device ? (Score: 1)
http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=3385mode=nestedorder=0thold=0#14765

If yes, then Rossi’s new Hot e-Cat is indeed a gravity device.
Regards
WLAD

End of paste.

Left click that Blue line hyperlink if you dare.

Harmonize The Thought to a 3/4 Waltz