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I think Rossi is adding to English more words, coming in some sense from Italian, than in the last 5 centuries. Clownerie has been translated by Akira into travesty. Clownerie is another Rossi's invention, if I can imagine what take places into his brain I think the right path is clown == pagliaccio == pagliacciata (the act of being a clown) == clownerie; I think it should be translated into buffoonery (clowning, silly behaviour) 2012/2/14 Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com http://blog.newenergytimes.com/author/sbkrivit/ *Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo*http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/14/smith-offers-1-million-prize-for-successful-e-cat-demo/ by *Steven B. Krivit* http://blog.newenergytimes.com/author/sbkrivit/ *From:* Margot Egan [on behalf of Dick Smith] *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 February 2012 12:51 PM *To:* Andrea Rossi Re. E-CAT *Subject:* from Dick Smith in Australia Re. U.S. One Million Dollars for Successful Re-Testing of E-CAT *To: Andrea Rossi** From: Dick Smith* Dear Mr Rossi *Re: USD1,000,000 for Successful Repeat of E-CAT Demonstration* Dick Smith is my name. I am writing to you from Sydney, Australia. Possibly the best information in relation to my background is on Wikipedia - see *HERE* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Smith_%28entrepreneur%29. Some time ago I was contacted by Mr Sol Millin of the Byron New Energy Trust. Mr Millin has had extensive communication with you. Mr Millin communicated the advantages of your ECAT unit in relation to energy and how it had the potential to solve the world’s energy problems. Mr Millin said that he had your authority to act on your behalf in relation to an agreement for the Australian “rights” to your invention. After some discussion, I agreed that I would invest AUD200,000 provided that evidence could be shown that the unit actually worked as claimed. There has been a lot of to’ing-and-fro’ing since then, with Mr Millin claiming that he has provided me with the evidence and with my insistence that this is not the case. At one stage Mr Millin even sent me an email (attached) threatening to sue me for one-hundred-million-dollars if I did not proceed with sending him my AUD200,000. As Mr Millin and I do not seem to be getting anywhere on this issue, I have determined a way that we could possibly break this nexus, i.e. I would like to offer you USD1,000,000 for a successful repeat of the March 29, 2011 demonstration. One million US dollars will be made out to you as a Bank cheque or will be held in an escrow account if you desire. I do not want to know how the unit operates, nor to have a share in the profits from any sales. My satisfaction will come from knowing that if the unit is successful, then some of the world’s greatest problems – especially in relation to climate change – will be solved. I point out that over the last few decades my wife and I have donated many millions of dollars to scientific research, much of it without any immediate results. We have not complained about this. My offer is very simple, which I will restate: I ask you to repeat the March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear reactions). As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report. I would be happy to cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of the demonstration. They can then check the wires (because, as you know, there have been claims that the wiring may have been misconnected) and also the power output of the unit in relation to both the heated water and the steam. I would be happy, with Kullander and Essen as the sole judges as to whether the unit has the power output you have claimed, to hand you an irrevocable Bank cheque for USD1,000,000 made out in your name if the demonstration is successfully completed. If Kullander and Essen are not available, I am happy to agree with you on two other individuals of similar expertise to attend the new demonstration as the judges. I am sure we can come to an agreement as to who would be suitable and independent. It would also be necessary to have a third person - who you and I can agree on - to assist with the type of measuring equipment and its accuracy so there are no doubts that the scientific community will accept the results. I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a period of more than six hours and showed a power multiplication of approximately ten times. To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if the demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were reduced to a five-hour period and with a power multiplication ratio of at least eight times.
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I disagree. I have already told that CLOWN for the US people is an evil person and Rossi is using this meaning. Have seen some US movies re clowns who were very bad people, sadistic. Pagliacci has a more tragic conotation. The second greatest enemy of Rossi is a snake. The third is a clown. The first, worst enemy is easy to guess. Peter On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Gigi DiMarco gdmgdms...@gmail.com wrote: I think Rossi is adding to English more words, coming in some sense from Italian, than in the last 5 centuries. Clownerie has been translated by Akira into travesty. Clownerie is another Rossi's invention, if I can imagine what take places into his brain I think the right path is clown == pagliaccio == pagliacciata (the act of being a clown) == clownerie; I think it should be translated into buffoonery (clowning, silly behaviour) 2012/2/14 Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com http://blog.newenergytimes.com/author/sbkrivit/ *Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo*http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/14/smith-offers-1-million-prize-for-successful-e-cat-demo/ by *Steven B. Krivit* http://blog.newenergytimes.com/author/sbkrivit/ *From:* Margot Egan [on behalf of Dick Smith] *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 February 2012 12:51 PM *To:* Andrea Rossi Re. E-CAT *Subject:* from Dick Smith in Australia Re. U.S. One Million Dollars for Successful Re-Testing of E-CAT *To: Andrea Rossi** From: Dick Smith* Dear Mr Rossi *Re: USD1,000,000 for Successful Repeat of E-CAT Demonstration* Dick Smith is my name. I am writing to you from Sydney, Australia. Possibly the best information in relation to my background is on Wikipedia - see *HERE* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Smith_%28entrepreneur%29 . Some time ago I was contacted by Mr Sol Millin of the Byron New Energy Trust. Mr Millin has had extensive communication with you. Mr Millin communicated the advantages of your ECAT unit in relation to energy and how it had the potential to solve the world’s energy problems. Mr Millin said that he had your authority to act on your behalf in relation to an agreement for the Australian “rights” to your invention. After some discussion, I agreed that I would invest AUD200,000 provided that evidence could be shown that the unit actually worked as claimed. There has been a lot of to’ing-and-fro’ing since then, with Mr Millin claiming that he has provided me with the evidence and with my insistence that this is not the case. At one stage Mr Millin even sent me an email (attached) threatening to sue me for one-hundred-million-dollars if I did not proceed with sending him my AUD200,000. As Mr Millin and I do not seem to be getting anywhere on this issue, I have determined a way that we could possibly break this nexus, i.e. I would like to offer you USD1,000,000 for a successful repeat of the March 29, 2011 demonstration. One million US dollars will be made out to you as a Bank cheque or will be held in an escrow account if you desire. I do not want to know how the unit operates, nor to have a share in the profits from any sales. My satisfaction will come from knowing that if the unit is successful, then some of the world’s greatest problems – especially in relation to climate change – will be solved. I point out that over the last few decades my wife and I have donated many millions of dollars to scientific research, much of it without any immediate results. We have not complained about this. My offer is very simple, which I will restate: I ask you to repeat the March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear reactions). As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report. I would be happy to cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of the demonstration. They can then check the wires (because, as you know, there have been claims that the wiring may have been misconnected) and also the power output of the unit in relation to both the heated water and the steam. I would be happy, with Kullander and Essen as the sole judges as to whether the unit has the power output you have claimed, to hand you an irrevocable Bank cheque for USD1,000,000 made out in your name if the demonstration is successfully completed. If Kullander and Essen are not available, I am happy to agree with you on two other individuals of similar expertise to attend the new demonstration as the judges. I am sure we can come to an agreement as to who would be suitable and independent. It would also be necessary to have a third person - who you and I can agree on - to assist with the type of measuring equipment and its accuracy so there are no doubts that the scientific
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There is absolutely no excuse why Rossi wouldn't accept this offer. I was sitting on the fence with Rossi, but now I'm leaning more towards him being a fraud. It is a million dollars for a simple test. It would be a much better use of his time than writing about snakes and clowns on his blog. Rossi also wants people to buy the e-cat before they test it. Does anyone see the problem with that? With 13 sales, he supposedly has $26 million. He had to sell his house to have enough money for the e-cat. Unless he is getting a large cash infusion from his secret partners, he could easily use a million dollars. He still needs to run a lot more public tests if he expects to sell a million e-cats. I don't know why he'd trust customers to test it with their protocols, but not an independent test with testing procedures accepted by him. This makes no sense whatsoever. What if the customer buys it, steals his ideas, and makes their own e-cat to run Rossi out of business? And what happened to his 1 MW customer who wasn't supposed to be secret. Shouldn't we have heard something about that by now? Rossi is looking more like a fraud everyday, and what does that say about Defkalion who is only in the LENR business because of Rossi. If no valid tests are performed by either group by March 31, this whole thing is most likely a fraud. On Feb 15, 2012, at 4:34 AM, Gigi DiMarco wrote: I think Rossi is adding to English more words, coming in some sense from Italian, than in the last 5 centuries. Clownerie has been translated by Akira into travesty. Clownerie is another Rossi's invention, if I can imagine what take places into his brain I think the right path is clown == pagliaccio == pagliacciata (the act of being a clown) == clownerie; I think it should be translated into buffoonery (clowning, silly behaviour) 2012/2/14 Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo by Steven B. Krivit From: Margot Egan [on behalf of Dick Smith] Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2012 12:51 PM To: Andrea Rossi Re. E-CAT Subject: from Dick Smith in Australia Re. U.S. One Million Dollars for Successful Re-Testing of E-CAT To: Andrea Rossi From: Dick Smith Dear Mr Rossi Re: USD1,000,000 for Successful Repeat of E-CAT Demonstration Dick Smith is my name. I am writing to you from Sydney, Australia. Possibly the best information in relation to my background is on Wikipedia - see HERE. Some time ago I was contacted by Mr Sol Millin of the Byron New Energy Trust. Mr Millin has had extensive communication with you. Mr Millin communicated the advantages of your ECAT unit in relation to energy and how it had the potential to solve the world’s energy problems. Mr Millin said that he had your authority to act on your behalf in relation to an agreement for the Australian “rights” to your invention. After some discussion, I agreed that I would invest AUD200,000 provided that evidence could be shown that the unit actually worked as claimed. There has been a lot of to’ing-and-fro’ing since then, with Mr Millin claiming that he has provided me with the evidence and with my insistence that this is not the case. At one stage Mr Millin even sent me an email (attached) threatening to sue me for one-hundred-million-dollars if I did not proceed with sending him my AUD200,000. As Mr Millin and I do not seem to be getting anywhere on this issue, I have determined a way that we could possibly break this nexus, i.e. I would like to offer you USD1,000,000 for a successful repeat of the March 29, 2011 demonstration. One million US dollars will be made out to you as a Bank cheque or will be held in an escrow account if you desire. I do not want to know how the unit operates, nor to have a share in the profits from any sales. My satisfaction will come from knowing that if the unit is successful, then some of the world’s greatest problems – especially in relation to climate change – will be solved. I point out that over the last few decades my wife and I have donated many millions of dollars to scientific research, much of it without any immediate results. We have not complained about this. My offer is very simple, which I will restate: I ask you to repeat the March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear reactions). As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report. I would be happy to cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of the demonstration. They can then check the wires (because, as you know, there have been claims that the wiring may have been misconnected) and also the
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From Jarold: There is absolutely no excuse why Rossi wouldn't accept this offer. I was sitting on the fence with Rossi, but now I'm leaning more towards him being a fraud. ... Many here (including myself) wish that Rossi would accept the challenge. However, Rossi is under no obligation to prove to any of us, us who reside in the honorable peanut gallery, that his eCat claims are legitimate. All that seems matters to Rossi is the immediate care and feeding of his mysterious business relationships. THAT is the 64 trillion dollar question that we should be trying to get a better handle on. As Jed as already stated, Rossi has repeatedly stated that there will be no more public demonstrations or tests! ... that is, unless Rossi decides to change his mind, which he could do on a dime if he feels it would be in his best interests to do so. There have also been plenty of reasons brought forth from individuals, including McKubre pertaining to why Rossi seems to feel it is not necessarily in his best interest to prove to the world at this particular moment in time that his eCats are for real. All that matters to Rossi is that his carefully guarded business interests believe that his eCats are for real - by allowing THEM to perform all the necessary due diligence they need to do on his eCats in private. Meanwhile, if the rest of the world, his critics, as well as potential competition don't think he eCats are for real, all to the better. Many fret about Rossi's behavior. They just can't seem to understand why he behaves in the quirky manner that he does. They just don't like it! All I can say is: expect more of the same from Rossi. Get over it. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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What was the point in the 1 MW sales then if he didn't need the money? Couldn't he have partnered with someone without the wasted time on the 1 MW plant? You really don't think his customers are reverse engineering his technology if it is a 64 trillion dollar business? Dick Smith is just another customer and Rossi said customers can run whatever tests they want. Rossi is making pure profit with just a simple test. Rossi should spend a little less time on blogging and calling people snakes when he could be making money with business. Rossi said he didn't care if the results are published to the public. Making a million e-cats is going to take a lot of money. Where is he getting his money from? Nothing he does makes any sense, unless he's an idiot who stumbled upon cold fusion or he is a fraud. Almost everything has been Rossi said, and most of what Rossi said has been lies. Why is there any reason to believe anything he says? I was willing to wait until March 31 before I decided if Rossi was a fraud or not, but right now I'm leaning heavily towards being a fraud because of the lies he has told. I am under no obligation to believe Rossi's claims if he won't allow a legitimate test that benefits him greatly. Again, what happened to the non-secretive 1 MW customer? Rossi said it would take about 3 months for that sale right after his October 28th demonstration. It has been over 3 months and there is no news at all. On Feb 15, 2012, at 10:05 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: From Jarold: There is absolutely no excuse why Rossi wouldn't accept this offer. I was sitting on the fence with Rossi, but now I'm leaning more towards him being a fraud. ... Many here (including myself) wish that Rossi would accept the challenge. However, Rossi is under no obligation to prove to any of us, us who reside in the honorable peanut gallery, that his eCat claims are legitimate. All that seems matters to Rossi is the immediate care and feeding of his mysterious business relationships. THAT is the 64 trillion dollar question that we should be trying to get a better handle on. As Jed as already stated, Rossi has repeatedly stated that there will be no more public demonstrations or tests! ... that is, unless Rossi decides to change his mind, which he could do on a dime if he feels it would be in his best interests to do so. There have also been plenty of reasons brought forth from individuals, including McKubre pertaining to why Rossi seems to feel it is not necessarily in his best interest to prove to the world at this particular moment in time that his eCats are for real. All that matters to Rossi is that his carefully guarded business interests believe that his eCats are for real - by allowing THEM to perform all the necessary due diligence they need to do on his eCats in private. Meanwhile, if the rest of the world, his critics, as well as potential competition don't think he eCats are for real, all to the better. Many fret about Rossi's behavior. They just can't seem to understand why he behaves in the quirky manner that he does. They just don't like it! All I can say is: expect more of the same from Rossi. Get over it. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com wrote: What was the point in the 1 MW sales then if he didn't need the money? Couldn't he have partnered with someone without the wasted time on the 1 MW plant? You really don't think his customers are reverse engineering his technology if it is a 64 trillion dollar business? Dick Smith is just another customer and Rossi said customers can run whatever tests they want. Rossi is making pure profit with just a simple test. I suppose Rossi thinks Smith is a faker. I have some doubts about Smith myself. Usually, when someone offers you $1 million just to do a test, he is not serious. If he had offered $50,000 or $100,000 it would be more believable. Anyway, don't expect rhyme or reason from Rossi. That is not his strong suit. - Jed
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Jarold, You seem to have issues with Rossi's quirky unpredictable behavior. Many do. You are in good company. If you are leaning towards the opinion that Rossi is a fraud you can at least feel assured of the fact that your opinion is shared by many. I'm sure Krivit would approve. Why don't you post your concerns over at NET and see what comes of it. You may get some responses. Quite frankly, after everything I've heard, both pro and con, I realize I still don't know enough about Rossi to feel like I can pass a definitive conclusion on the matter, for or against. With that said it's true that, at least for now, I'm still leaning towards the opinion that Rossi and his eCats aren't fraudulent, but I could be wrong. The best I can do for now is to consider the conclusions of experts who are far more knowledgeable on Rossi than I. Many of them seem convinced that his eCat technology, flawed it may be, is authentic. Therefore, until further developments are forthcoming I can live with my uncertainty. I can live with the fact that my tentative conclusions could eventually be proven wrong. You, on the other hand, seem to be having difficulty living with your own uncertainty when it comes to passing judgment on Rossi. IMHO, you seem to have entrapped yourself within an endless maze of unrequited speculation. It will get you nowhere. That's why I suggested in my previous post that you might try to ease up and: Get over it. Rest assured. Rossi's true colors, whether they be pro or con, will eventually be revealed. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose Rossi thinks Smith is a faker. I have some doubts about Smith myself. Usually, when someone offers you $1 million just to do a test, he is not serious. If he had offered $50,000 or $100,000 it would be more believable. I agree, Jed. Rossi has about as much chance of collecting from Dick Smith as from James Randi. T
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Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, Jed. Rossi has about as much chance of collecting from Dick Smith as from James Randi. Yes!! Randi is hysterical. If this works out and Rossi becomes famous, he should send Randi an invoice. Just for the fun of it. Heck, *I'll* send him one. - Jed
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Rossi is either ignorant, or he is a blatant liar. Either way, it doesn't look good. Now, that doesn't mean he doesn't have an LENR device, but he loses all credibility from me. It would be no different if I claimed to have a working cold fusion device and am working with a secret customer. What happened to the customer who wasn't secretive? He said within 3 months over 3 months ago, and there is no new information. On Feb 15, 2012, at 1:32 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Jarold, You seem to have issues with Rossi's quirky unpredictable behavior. Many do. You are in good company. If you are leaning towards the opinion that Rossi is a fraud you can at least feel assured of the fact that your opinion is shared by many. I'm sure Krivit would approve. Why don't you post your concerns over at NET and see what comes of it. You may get some responses. Quite frankly, after everything I've heard, both pro and con, I realize I still don't know enough about Rossi to feel like I can pass a definitive conclusion on the matter, for or against. With that said it's true that, at least for now, I'm still leaning towards the opinion that Rossi and his eCats aren't fraudulent, but I could be wrong. The best I can do for now is to consider the conclusions of experts who are far more knowledgeable on Rossi than I. Many of them seem convinced that his eCat technology, flawed it may be, is authentic. Therefore, until further developments are forthcoming I can live with my uncertainty. I can live with the fact that my tentative conclusions could eventually be proven wrong. You, on the other hand, seem to be having difficulty living with your own uncertainty when it comes to passing judgment on Rossi. IMHO, you seem to have entrapped yourself within an endless maze of unrequited speculation. It will get you nowhere. That's why I suggested in my previous post that you might try to ease up and: Get over it. Rest assured. Rossi's true colors, whether they be pro or con, will eventually be revealed. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:32 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Rest assured. Rossi's true colors, whether they be pro or con, will eventually be revealed. You don't think they have already been revealed? Unless he suddenly discovers the value of collaboration I expect his business venture will fail. Harry
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Follows true Rossi's speech in capital letters. Who are the investors? http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=580cpage=3#comment-185350 Andrea Rossi February 15th, 2012 at 12:23 PM I AM RECEIVENG EMAILS REGARDING: 1- THE “MILLIONAIRE” WHO OFFERS 1 MILLION FOR A TEST AND 2- WHAT WE THINK OF SOME WANNABE COMPETITORS WHO WILL MAKE OTHER TESTS ON A DEVICE OF THEM: I HAVE NOT TIME TO ANSWER SINGULARLY, SO HERE IS THE FINAL ANSWER VALID FOR ALL: 1- MILLIONAIRE TEST: I AM THE CEO OF LEONARDO CORPORATION AND RECENTLY LEONARDO CORPORATION BECAME PROPERTY OF A TRUST OF INVESTORS TO THE ATTORNEYS OF WHICH I HAVE TO ANSWER. THIS, COMBINED WITH THE FACT THAT OUR 1 MW PLANTS HAVE BEEN SOLD TO AN ENTITY THAT WANTS NOT TO BE DISCLOSED (WE ARE UNDER NDA) FORBIDS ME TO TAKE DECISIONS ABOUT THIS ISSUE WITHOUT THE PERMISSIONS OF THE ATTORNEYS; THE OPINION OF THEM IS THAT THIS STUNT IS NOT SERIOUS AND THAT OUR TECHNOLOGY DOES NOT HAVE TO BE PROVEN BY A STUNT, BUT BY A REGULAR OPERATION BY THE CUSTOMERS. WE HAVE TO WORK ON MANUFACTURING LINES TO MAKE RELIABLE AND ECONOMIC OUR PRODUCTS, NOT TO MAKE SHOWS. 2- COMPETITORS: WE NEVER COMMENT ON OUR COMPETITORS, BUT STILL WE DO NOT SEE ANY COMPETITOR ON THE MARKET AND NEITHER ON THE HORIZON. WHEN WE WILL FIND PRODUCTS WHICH WILL COMPETE WITH OURS, THEN WE WILL HAVE COMPETITORS, BUT NOW IT IS NOT THE CASE. I AM ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT WITH OUR PRICES NOBODY WILL BE ABLE TO COMPETE, ALSO FOR THE NEW TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE DEVELOPED FOR THE E-CATS AND FOR THE PRODUCTION LINE WE ARE MAKING. BY THE WAY: IF SOME COMPETITOR WILL BE ABLE TO COPY OUR TECH AND MAKE SOMETHING REALLY WORKING ( WHICH DIDN’T HAPPEN YET) OUR ATTORNEYS WILL WORK ON THE CASE. I WILL NOT ANSWER TO FURTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE MILLIONAIRE AND THE WANNABE COMPETITORS. WARM REGARDS, ANDREA ROSSI --- mic 2012/2/15 Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com: On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:32 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Rest assured. Rossi's true colors, whether they be pro or con, will eventually be revealed. You don't think they have already been revealed? Unless he suddenly discovers the value of collaboration I expect his business venture will fail. Harry
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From Harry: Rest assured. Rossi's true colors, whether they be pro or con, will eventually be revealed. You don't think they have already been revealed? No. All I've seen is endless speculation on Rossi's business ventures. While there has been plenty of armchair criticism, (some of which is probably valid) the fact of the matter is that none of us are actually in Rossi's shoes. Who among us are privy to what's being discussed behind closed doors. Unless he suddenly discovers the value of collaboration I expect his business venture will fail. More endless speculation. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 5:19 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: From Harry: Rest assured. Rossi's true colors, whether they be pro or con, will eventually be revealed. You don't think they have already been revealed? No. All I've seen is endless speculation on Rossi's business ventures. While there has been plenty of armchair criticism, (some of which is probably valid) the fact of the matter is that none of us are actually in Rossi's shoes. Who among us are privy to what's being discussed behind closed doors. Indeed I wear my own shoes, and I don't care what my peers think of my shoes. Unless he suddenly discovers the value of collaboration I expect his business venture will fail. More endless speculation. Its *my* expectation. Just as Rossi doesn't owe us a professionally conducted test, I don't owe Rossi endless patience. If am wrong I will be happy to eat crow, because the outcome is more important than what my peers think of me. Harry
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Two points to add to what has already been said in connection with the initial item in Rossi's statement, below -- First, the English of the response is indeed more lucid than in the past. It sounds like parts of the statement have been copied and pasted from a lawyer's email. Second, it's possible that Rossi doesn't have a choice as to whether to accept Smith's challenge, even if he wanted to, which is what he seems to be implying here. Eric I AM RECEIVENG EMAILS REGARDING: 1- THE “MILLIONAIRE” WHO OFFERS 1 MILLION FOR A TEST AND 2- WHAT WE THINK OF SOME WANNABE COMPETITORS WHO WILL MAKE OTHER TESTS ON A DEVICE OF THEM: I HAVE NOT TIME TO ANSWER SINGULARLY, SO HERE IS THE FINAL ANSWER VALID FOR ALL: 1- MILLIONAIRE TEST: I AM THE CEO OF LEONARDO CORPORATION AND RECENTLY LEONARDO CORPORATION BECAME PROPERTY OF A TRUST OF INVESTORS TO THE ATTORNEYS OF WHICH I HAVE TO ANSWER. THIS, COMBINED WITH THE FACT THAT OUR 1 MW PLANTS HAVE BEEN SOLD TO AN ENTITY THAT WANTS NOT TO BE DISCLOSED (WE ARE UNDER NDA) FORBIDS ME TO TAKE DECISIONS ABOUT THIS ISSUE WITHOUT THE PERMISSIONS OF THE ATTORNEYS; THE OPINION OF THEM IS THAT THIS STUNT IS NOT SERIOUS AND THAT OUR TECHNOLOGY DOES NOT HAVE TO BE PROVEN BY A STUNT, BUT BY A REGULAR OPERATION BY THE CUSTOMERS. WE HAVE TO WORK ON MANUFACTURING LINES TO MAKE RELIABLE AND ECONOMIC OUR PRODUCTS, NOT TO MAKE SHOWS. 2- COMPETITORS: WE NEVER COMMENT ON OUR COMPETITORS, BUT STILL WE DO NOT SEE ANY COMPETITOR ON THE MARKET AND NEITHER ON THE HORIZON. WHEN WE WILL FIND PRODUCTS WHICH WILL COMPETE WITH OURS, THEN WE WILL HAVE COMPETITORS, BUT NOW IT IS NOT THE CASE. I AM ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT WITH OUR PRICES NOBODY WILL BE ABLE TO COMPETE, ALSO FOR THE NEW TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE DEVELOPED FOR THE E-CATS AND FOR THE PRODUCTION LINE WE ARE MAKING. BY THE WAY: IF SOME COMPETITOR WILL BE ABLE TO COPY OUR TECH AND MAKE SOMETHING REALLY WORKING ( WHICH DIDN’T HAPPEN YET) OUR ATTORNEYS WILL WORK ON THE CASE. I WILL NOT ANSWER TO FURTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE MILLIONAIRE AND THE WANNABE COMPETITORS. WARM REGARDS, ANDREA ROSSI
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http://blog.newenergytimes.com/author/sbkrivit/ *Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo*http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/14/smith-offers-1-million-prize-for-successful-e-cat-demo/ by *Steven B. Krivit* http://blog.newenergytimes.com/author/sbkrivit/ *From:* Margot Egan [on behalf of Dick Smith] *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 February 2012 12:51 PM *To:* Andrea Rossi Re. E-CAT *Subject:* from Dick Smith in Australia Re. U.S. One Million Dollars for Successful Re-Testing of E-CAT *To: Andrea Rossi** From: Dick Smith* Dear Mr Rossi *Re: USD1,000,000 for Successful Repeat of E-CAT Demonstration* Dick Smith is my name. I am writing to you from Sydney, Australia. Possibly the best information in relation to my background is on Wikipedia - see *HERE* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Smith_%28entrepreneur%29. Some time ago I was contacted by Mr Sol Millin of the Byron New Energy Trust. Mr Millin has had extensive communication with you. Mr Millin communicated the advantages of your ECAT unit in relation to energy and how it had the potential to solve the world’s energy problems. Mr Millin said that he had your authority to act on your behalf in relation to an agreement for the Australian “rights” to your invention. After some discussion, I agreed that I would invest AUD200,000 provided that evidence could be shown that the unit actually worked as claimed. There has been a lot of to’ing-and-fro’ing since then, with Mr Millin claiming that he has provided me with the evidence and with my insistence that this is not the case. At one stage Mr Millin even sent me an email (attached) threatening to sue me for one-hundred-million-dollars if I did not proceed with sending him my AUD200,000. As Mr Millin and I do not seem to be getting anywhere on this issue, I have determined a way that we could possibly break this nexus, i.e. I would like to offer you USD1,000,000 for a successful repeat of the March 29, 2011 demonstration. One million US dollars will be made out to you as a Bank cheque or will be held in an escrow account if you desire. I do not want to know how the unit operates, nor to have a share in the profits from any sales. My satisfaction will come from knowing that if the unit is successful, then some of the world’s greatest problems – especially in relation to climate change – will be solved. I point out that over the last few decades my wife and I have donated many millions of dollars to scientific research, much of it without any immediate results. We have not complained about this. My offer is very simple, which I will restate: I ask you to repeat the March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear reactions). As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report. I would be happy to cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of the demonstration. They can then check the wires (because, as you know, there have been claims that the wiring may have been misconnected) and also the power output of the unit in relation to both the heated water and the steam. I would be happy, with Kullander and Essen as the sole judges as to whether the unit has the power output you have claimed, to hand you an irrevocable Bank cheque for USD1,000,000 made out in your name if the demonstration is successfully completed. If Kullander and Essen are not available, I am happy to agree with you on two other individuals of similar expertise to attend the new demonstration as the judges. I am sure we can come to an agreement as to who would be suitable and independent. It would also be necessary to have a third person - who you and I can agree on - to assist with the type of measuring equipment and its accuracy so there are no doubts that the scientific community will accept the results. I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a period of more than six hours and showed a power multiplication of approximately ten times. To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if the demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were reduced to a five-hour period and with a power multiplication ratio of at least eight times. This will make it very much easier for you to qualify for the USD1,000,000, As far as I am concerned, eight times’ power multiplication through LENRs will solve the world’s power problems for the future. Mr Rossi, I believe the advantage of my offer is that you can show the sceptics (I am presently one of them) that the unit actually works as you have claimed. I notice that you have had other investors offering very large amounts of money, and I can understand your concern in relation to this. My offer is USD1,000,000 without any conditions
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The simplicity is elegant. Repeat your most-cited demonstration, and you'll get $1 million USD, no strings attached. You can buy use the money for whatever you want - You can use it for further research - perhaps to re-purchase your house or even donate some of the money to charity. I'm sure it's just coincidence, but did you notice that Margot Egan is an anagram of No Mortgage? Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:14:41 -0500 From: cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy? Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo by Steven B. Krivit From: Margot Egan [on behalf of Dick Smith] Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2012 12:51 PM To: Andrea Rossi Re. E-CAT Subject: from Dick Smith in Australia Re. U.S. One Million Dollars for Successful Re-Testing of E-CAT To: Andrea Rossi From: Dick Smith Dear Mr Rossi Re: USD1,000,000 for Successful Repeat of E-CAT Demonstration Dick Smith is my name. I am writing to you from Sydney, Australia. Possibly the best information in relation to my background is on Wikipedia - see HERE. Some time ago I was contacted by Mr Sol Millin of the Byron New Energy Trust. Mr Millin has had extensive communication with you. Mr Millin communicated the advantages of your ECAT unit in relation to energy and how it had the potential to solve the world’s energy problems. Mr Millin said that he had your authority to act on your behalf in relation to an agreement for the Australian “rights” to your invention. After some discussion, I agreed that I would invest AUD200,000 provided that evidence could be shown that the unit actually worked as claimed. There has been a lot of to’ing-and-fro’ing since then, with Mr Millin claiming that he has provided me with the evidence and with my insistence that this is not the case. At one stage Mr Millin even sent me an email (attached) threatening to sue me for one-hundred-million-dollars if I did not proceed with sending him my AUD200,000. As Mr Millin and I do not seem to be getting anywhere on this issue, I have determined a way that we could possibly break this nexus, i.e. I would like to offer you USD1,000,000 for a successful repeat of the March 29, 2011 demonstration. One million US dollars will be made out to you as a Bank cheque or will be held in an escrow account if you desire. I do not want to know how the unit operates, nor to have a share in the profits from any sales. My satisfaction will come from knowing that if the unit is successful, then some of the world’s greatest problems – especially in relation to climate change – will be solved. I point out that over the last few decades my wife and I have donated many millions of dollars to scientific research, much of it without any immediate results. We have not complained about this. My offer is very simple, which I will restate: I ask you to repeat the March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear reactions). As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report. I would be happy to cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of the demonstration. They can then check the wires (because, as you know, there have been claims that the wiring may have been misconnected) and also the power output of the unit in relation to both the heated water and the steam. I would be happy, with Kullander and Essen as the sole judges as to whether the unit has the power output you have claimed, to hand you an irrevocable Bank cheque for USD1,000,000 made out in your name if the demonstration is successfully completed. If Kullander and Essen are not available, I am happy to agree with you on two other individuals of similar expertise to attend the new demonstration as the judges. I am sure we can come to an agreement as to who would be suitable and independent. It would also be necessary to have a third person - who you and I can agree on - to assist with the type of measuring equipment and its accuracy so there are no doubts that the scientific community will accept the results. I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a period of more than six hours and showed a power multiplication of approximately ten times. To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if the demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were reduced to a five-hour period and with a power multiplication ratio of at least eight times. This will make it very much easier for you to qualify for the USD1,000,000, As far as I am concerned, eight times’ power multiplication through LENRs will solve the world’s power problems for the future. Mr Rossi, I believe the advantage of my offer
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I love it! I hope Rossi accepts the challenge. The pessimist within me however thinks he won't. I'm inclined to think Rossi might be inclined to reply with something to the effect that he's too busy to spend time on what he will try to describe as nothing more than unimportant parlor demonstration... whatever. I hope I'm wrong. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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On 2012-02-14 17:14, Chemical Engineer wrote: _Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo_ http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/14/smith-offers-1-million-prize-for-successful-e-cat-demo/ Somebody quickly forward this to Andrea Rossi! This is an offer he simply cannot refuse. Cheers, S.A.
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Hmm Is this Margot and her sister, with Rossi's cash, ready and waiting ??? http://images.smh.com.au/2010/08/11/1771929/smith420-420x0.jpg From: Robert Leguillon I'm sure it's just coincidence, but did you notice that Margot Egan is an anagram of No Mortgage? attachment: winmail.dat
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Dick Smith is betting that ecat is being fed by a ground device. Rossi will be surely successful and this will make other skeptics angry, such those that bet on heated metal (preposterous) or on a compact chemical support (quite reasonable). 2012/2/14 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net Hmm Is this Margot and her sister, with Rossi's cash, ready and waiting ??? http://images.smh.com.au/2010/08/11/1771929/smith420-420x0.jpg From: Robert Leguillon I'm sure it's just coincidence, but did you notice that Margot Egan is an anagram of No Mortgage? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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At 08:14 AM 2/14/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote: Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo My offer is very simple, which I will restate: I ask you to repeat the March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear reactions). As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report. I would be happy to cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of the demonstration. They can then check the wires (because, as you know, there have been claims that the wiring may have been misconnected) and also the power output of the unit in relation to both the heated water and the steam. I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a period of more than six hours and showed a power multiplication of approximately ten times. To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if the demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were reduced to a five-hour period and with a power multiplication ratio of at least eight times. This will make it very much easier for you to qualify for the USD1,000,000, As far as I am concerned, eight times power multiplication through LENRs will solve the worlds power problems for the future. I don't know why he wants to go back to March 29, and not, for example, the Oct 5 (was it?) Heat Exchanger version, and to use steam rather than water. Also, Rossi only guarantees COP=6, not 8. KE would be fine to supervise ... but I think I'd go with recommendations from Jed (ISTR) to hire an HVAC company to certify the tests with callibrated equipment, etc etc.
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I have a hard time seeing why Rossi would pay any attention to this: (1) If his e-cat is real, $1M is a miniscule distraction. (2) If it's a mistake or fraud, replying would foolish. On 2012-02-14 17:14, Chemical Engineer wrote: _Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo_ http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/14/smith-offers-1-million-prize-for-successful-e-cat-demo/ Somebody quickly forward this to Andrea Rossi! This is an offer he simply cannot refuse. Cheers, S.A.
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The media are going to love this, and they will be very damning if Rossi doesn't accept. If he is prepared to put such money on the line it would be nice if Smith opened this up to all-comers, like an X-Prize, eg for a consistently replicable cold fusion reaction with a gain of 5-10 and power output 1kW. On 14 February 2012 18:50, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 08:14 AM 2/14/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote: * Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demohttp://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/14/smith-offers-1-million-prize-for-successful-e-cat-demo/ * My offer is very simple, which I will restate: I ask you to repeat the March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear reactions). As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report. I would be happy to cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of the demonstration. They can then check the wires (because, as you know, there have been claims that the wiring may have been misconnected) and also the power output of the unit in relation to both the heated water and the steam. I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a period of more than six hours and showed a power multiplication of approximately ten times. To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if the demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were reduced to a five-hour period and with a power multiplication ratio of at least eight times. This will make it very much easier for you to qualify for the USD1,000,000, As far as I am concerned, eight times’ power multiplication through LENRs will solve the world’s power problems for the future. I don't know why he wants to go back to March 29, and not, for example, the Oct 5 (was it?) Heat Exchanger version, and to use steam rather than water. Also, Rossi only guarantees COP=6, not 8. KE would be fine to supervise ... but I think I'd go with recommendations from Jed (ISTR) to hire an HVAC company to certify the tests with callibrated equipment, etc etc.
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On 2012-02-14 20:19, Robert Lynn wrote: The media are going to love this, and they will be very damning if Rossi doesn't accept. Exactly this. Cheers, S.A.
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An X-Prize would be an excellent idea. I hope that Mr. Smith gives this concept serious consideration. Dave -Original Message- From: Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 2:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy? The media are going to love this, and they will be very damning if Rossi doesn't accept. If he is prepared to put such money on the line it would be nice if Smith opened this up to all-comers, like an X-Prize, eg for a consistently replicable cold fusion reaction with a gain of 5-10 and power output 1kW. On 14 February 2012 18:50, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 08:14 AM 2/14/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote: Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo My offer is very simple, which I will restate: I ask you to repeat the March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear reactions). As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report. I would be happy to cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of the demonstration. They can then check the wires (because, as you know, there have been claims that the wiring may have been misconnected) and also the power output of the unit in relation to both the heated water and the steam. I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a period of more than six hours and showed a power multiplication of approximately ten times. To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if the demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were reduced to a five-hour period and with a power multiplication ratio of at least eight times. This will make it very much easier for you to qualify for the USD1,000,000, As far as I am concerned, eight times’ power multiplication through LENRs will solve the world’s power problems for the future. I don't know why he wants to go back to March 29, and not, for example, the Oct 5 (was it?) Heat Exchanger version, and to use steam rather than water. Also, Rossi only guarantees COP=6, not 8. KE would be fine to supervise ... but I think I'd go with recommendations from Jed (ISTR) to hire an HVAC company to certify the tests with callibrated equipment, etc etc.
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From what I can tell of their new book on abundance, they think solar power is a significant future energy solution and do not mention LENR (or know what it is) at all. I worked on a CSP (concentrated solar power) project for two years and if they think solar is the solution to our problems we are all in trouble. CSP is smoke and mirrors. On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 2:32 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: An X-Prize would be an excellent idea. I hope that Mr. Smith gives this concept serious consideration. Dave -Original Message- From: Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 2:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy? The media are going to love this, and they will be very damning if Rossi doesn't accept. If he is prepared to put such money on the line it would be nice if Smith opened this up to all-comers, like an X-Prize, eg for a consistently replicable cold fusion reaction with a gain of 5-10 and power output 1kW. On 14 February 2012 18:50, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 08:14 AM 2/14/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote: *Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demohttp://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/14/smith-offers-1-million-prize-for-successful-e-cat-demo/ * My offer is very simple, which I will restate: I ask you to repeat the March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear reactions). As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report. I would be happy to cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of the demonstration. They can then check the wires (because, as you know, there have been claims that the wiring may have been misconnected) and also the power output of the unit in relation to both the heated water and the steam. I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a period of more than six hours and showed a power multiplication of approximately ten times. To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if the demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were reduced to a five-hour period and with a power multiplication ratio of at least eight times. This will make it very much easier for you to qualify for the USD1,000,000, As far as I am concerned, eight times’ power multiplication through LENRs will solve the world’s power problems for the future. I don't know why he wants to go back to March 29, and not, for example, the Oct 5 (was it?) Heat Exchanger version, and to use steam rather than water. Also, Rossi only guarantees COP=6, not 8. KE would be fine to supervise ... but I think I'd go with recommendations from Jed (ISTR) to hire an HVAC company to certify the tests with callibrated equipment, etc etc.
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On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Hmm Is this Margot and her sister, with Rossi's cash, ready and waiting ??? http://images.smh.com.au/2010/08/11/1771929/smith420-420x0.jpg Outstanding! Constant Growth = Doom ?!? From the looks of it constant growth will equal BOOM! T
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Terry sez: http://images.smh.com.au/2010/08/11/1771929/smith420-420x0.jpg Outstanding! Constant Growth = Doom ?!? From the looks of it constant growth will equal BOOM! With special emphasis on the vowels in BOOM... or DOOM depending on the interpretation. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Better still, if Smith is convinced the e-cat is not real, why not pledge the $1M to a worthy cause if it's not verified by end of 2012? - or offer bets through an on-line site like intrade.com? Otherwise, it's hard to be sure he's not a flamboyant publicity seeker. An X-Prize would be an excellent idea. I hope that Mr. Smith gives this concept serious consideration. Dave -Original Message- From: Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 2:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy? The media are going to love this, and they will be very damning if Rossi doesn't accept. If he is prepared to put such money on the line it would be nice if Smith opened this up to all-comers, like an X-Prize, eg for a consistently replicable cold fusion reaction with a gain of 5-10 and power output 1kW. On 14 February 2012 18:50, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 08:14 AM 2/14/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote: Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo My offer is very simple, which I will restate: I ask you to repeat the March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear reactions). As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report. I would be happy to cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of the demonstration. They can then check the wires (because, as you know, there have been claims that the wiring may have been misconnected) and also the power output of the unit in relation to both the heated water and the steam. I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a period of more than six hours and showed a power multiplication of approximately ten times. To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if the demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were reduced to a five-hour period and with a power multiplication ratio of at least eight times. This will make it very much easier for you to qualify for the USD1,000,000, As far as I am concerned, eight timesâ power multiplication through LENRs will solve the worldâs power problems for the future. I don't know why he wants to go back to March 29, and not, for example, the Oct 5 (was it?) Heat Exchanger version, and to use steam rather than water. Also, Rossi only guarantees COP=6, not 8. KE would be fine to supervise ... but I think I'd go with recommendations from Jed (ISTR) to hire an HVAC company to certify the tests with callibrated equipment, etc etc.
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On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 2:58 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: With special emphasis on the vowels in BOOM... or DOOM depending on the interpretation. Or, in Greek: ΒΘΘΜ T
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I have confessed more times that I cannot understand and/or predict Rossi's reactions (his own, not those from the core of the E-cat) In this case my bet is that now he will ask more money, 2 or 3 million US$ for a 'perfect test. Let's see! Peter On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:00 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Better still, if Smith is convinced the e-cat is not real, why not pledge the $1M to a worthy cause if it's not verified by end of 2012? - or offer bets through an on-line site like intrade.com? Otherwise, it's hard to be sure he's not a flamboyant publicity seeker. An X-Prize would be an excellent idea. I hope that Mr. Smith gives this concept serious consideration. Dave -Original Message- From: Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 2:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy? The media are going to love this, and they will be very damning if Rossi doesn't accept. If he is prepared to put such money on the line it would be nice if Smith opened this up to all-comers, like an X-Prize, eg for a consistently replicable cold fusion reaction with a gain of 5-10 and power output 1kW. On 14 February 2012 18:50, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 08:14 AM 2/14/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote: Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo My offer is very simple, which I will restate: I ask you to repeat the March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear reactions). As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report. I would be happy to cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of the demonstration. They can then check the wires (because, as you know, there have been claims that the wiring may have been misconnected) and also the power output of the unit in relation to both the heated water and the steam. I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a period of more than six hours and showed a power multiplication of approximately ten times. To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if the demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were reduced to a five-hour period and with a power multiplication ratio of at least eight times. This will make it very much easier for you to qualify for the USD1,000,000, As far as I am concerned, eight times’ power multiplication through LENRs will solve the world’s power problems for the future. I don't know why he wants to go back to March 29, and not, for example, the Oct 5 (was it?) Heat Exchanger version, and to use steam rather than water. Also, Rossi only guarantees COP=6, not 8. KE would be fine to supervise ... but I think I'd go with recommendations from Jed (ISTR) to hire an HVAC company to certify the tests with callibrated equipment, etc etc. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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I don't know why he wants to go back to March 29, and not, for example, the Oct 5 (was it?) Heat Exchanger version, and to use steam rather than water. Also, Rossi only guarantees COP=6, not 8. KE would be fine to supervise ... but I think I'd go with recommendations from Jed (ISTR) to hire an HVAC company to certify the tests with callibrated equipment, etc etc. For a short 5hour test you must minimise the size of the reaction vessel to eliminate any possibility of chemical or stored heat sources, so you need to use a 'naked' ecat. Given all of the complaints and commentaries on Rossi's calorimetry I am pretty sure that any tester now would go into the test with their eyes wide open and a big check list of things to look at.
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Rossi will not flinch. He will ignore this request and dismiss it with not worth the effort. On Feb 15, 2012 7:23 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Hmm Is this Margot and her sister, with Rossi's cash, ready and waiting ??? http://images.smh.com.au/2010/08/11/1771929/smith420-420x0.jpg Outstanding! Constant Growth = Doom ?!? From the looks of it constant growth will equal BOOM! Yep, or stated another way ... why is Dick smilin'? Heck, physics or EE could be a mistake for geeks in Oz these days. Lingerie engineering looks to be where it's happ'ning. Can you imagine the stress loading ... maybe in Smith's dimensional analysis, it's measured in Wilberforce? http://dicksmithpopulation.com/wilberforce-award/
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Rossi is certainly an enigmatic character, but it is highly improbable that he would slow his race with Defkalion if they both have real LENR technology for such a small amount, nor would Rossi accept it if e-cat is a fraud. Either way, Smith can be pretty sure his offer will receive no response. Smith should take some real risks to show good faith himself. Peter Gluck wrote: I have confessed more times that I cannot understand and/or predict Rossi's reactions (his own, not those from the core of the E-cat) In this case my bet is that now he will ask more money, 2 or 3 million US$ for a 'perfect test. Let's see! Peter On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:00 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Better still, if Smith is convinced the e-cat is not real, why not pledge the $1M to a worthy cause if it's not verified by end of 2012? - or offer bets through an on-line site like intrade.com? Otherwise, it's hard to be sure he's not a flamboyant publicity seeker. [...]
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Also, how did krivit get hold of the email? Especially if he was deliberately cced, Rossi will see it as coming from a snake's friend. On Feb 15, 2012 7:33 AM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi will not flinch. He will ignore this request and dismiss it with not worth the effort. On Feb 15, 2012 7:23 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Hmm Is this Margot and her sister, with Rossi's cash, ready and waiting ??? http://images.smh.com.au/2010/08/11/1771929/smith420-420x0.jpg Outstanding! Constant Growth = Doom ?!? From the looks of it constant growth will equal BOOM! Yep, or stated another way ... why is Dick smilin'? Heck, physics or EE could be a mistake for geeks in Oz these days. Lingerie engineering looks to be where it's happ'ning. Can you imagine the stress loading ... maybe in Smith's dimensional analysis, it's measured in Wilberforce? http://dicksmithpopulation.com/wilberforce-award/
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My bet is he will just refuse. This whole thing is played on Rossi's terms. He will not allow it to be played on those of others. Unless he really needs the money. Or when it (coincidentally?) fits perfectly with his own terms. So, normally, I would expect his reaction to be: I've said before that I will do no more independent tests. Just like other citizens you will have to wait to collect your e-Cat from the production line in a year or so, then we will see who was right. Andre On 02/14/2012 04:12 PM, Peter Gluck wrote: I have confessed more times that I cannot understand and/or predict Rossi's reactions (his own, not those from the core of the E-cat) In this case my bet is that now he will ask more money, 2 or 3 million US$ for a 'perfect test. Let's see! Peter On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:00 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com mailto:pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Better still, if Smith is convinced the e-cat is not real, why not pledge the $1M to a worthy cause if it's not verified by end of 2012? - or offer bets through an on-line site like intrade.com http://intrade.com? Otherwise, it's hard to be sure he's not a flamboyant publicity seeker. An X-Prize would be an excellent idea. I hope that Mr. Smith gives this concept serious consideration. Dave -Original Message- From: Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com mailto:robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 2:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy? The media are going to love this, and they will be very damning if Rossi doesn't accept. If he is prepared to put such money on the line it would be nice if Smith opened this up to all-comers, like an X-Prize, eg for a consistently replicable cold fusion reaction with a gain of 5-10 and power output 1kW. On 14 February 2012 18:50, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com mailto:a...@well.com wrote: At 08:14 AM 2/14/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote: Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo My offer is very simple, which I will restate: I ask you to repeat the March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear reactions). As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report. I would be happy to cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of the demonstration. They can then check the wires (because, as you know, there have been claims that the wiring may have been misconnected) and also the power output of the unit in relation to both the heated water and the steam. I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a period of more than six hours and showed a power multiplication of approximately ten times. To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if the demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were reduced to a five-hour period and with a power multiplication ratio of at least eight times. This will make it very much easier for you to qualify for the USD1,000,000, As far as I am concerned, eight times’ power multiplication through LENRs will solve the world’s power problems for the future. I don't know why he wants to go back to March 29, and not, for example, the Oct 5 (was it?) Heat Exchanger version, and to use steam rather than water. Also, Rossi only guarantees COP=6, not 8. KE would be fine to supervise ... but I think I'd go with recommendations from Jed (ISTR) to hire an HVAC company to certify the tests with callibrated equipment, etc etc. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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reading the last 50 posts or so, could we just calm down a bit, an not comment on every piece of junk, anyone has been fishing out of the river of possibilities, while waiting for the big catch, or Godot, or whatever. Wait a week, then another one. As long as I can remember, the clock was 5 before 12. Either ist is very slow, or is defective. Maybe we have the power to make it going, by shaking it via the chattersphere, but, well. ... Guenter
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I predict that Rossi will ignore this offer. If I were him, I would accept it. But he has said he will do no tests, and he can be very stubborn. For some reason the decision is irrevocable. This is odd because he often changes his mind and changes his plans radically. One reason he will not allow tests is because he is a control freak. He will not allow other people unimpeded access to the cells. He will not allow EK to decide exactly how to do the test or what instruments to use. He has given over complete control on rare occasions. He hates do that. In some ways he is enlightened and doing a good job. In other ways, he has a full-blown, terminal case of the Inventor's Disease. I hope that in a few years, he can reach a reconciliation Defkalion and get the money recognition he deserves. - Jed
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Hehe..gotta love RossiArchibald Fields February 14th, 2012 at 5:57 PM Dick Smith Offer Dear Andrea, Australian millionaire Dick Smith has written an open letter to you offering more than $1,000,000 unconditionally if you can successfully repeat March 29 demo. This is easy money and you have till 20 Feb to accept. Kullander and Essen can be validators. This will provide you with easy and much needed funding. What good reason is there to decline this offer? Yours Faithfully, Archibald Fields Andrea Rossi February 14th, 2012 at 6:23 PM Dear Archibald Fields: This is a Clownerie. If this guy wants to test a 1 MW plant and has 1 million to’ spend he can buy a 1 MW plant, with a refilar contract, that gives him all the necessary guarantee. Our plants Are tester by Our Customers and the Consultants they chiose. I have not time at all for this clownery. Warm Regards, A.R. Original Message Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy? From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Date: Wed, February 15, 2012 9:46 am To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" vortex-l@eskimo.com I predict that Rossi will ignore this offer. If I were him, I would accept it. But he has said he will do no tests, and he can be very stubborn. For some reason the decision is irrevocable. This is odd because he often changes his mind and changes his plans radically. One reason he will not allow tests is because he is a control freak. He will not allow other people unimpeded access to the cells. He will not allow EK to decide exactly how to do the test or what instruments to use. He has given over complete control on rare occasions. He hates do that. In some ways he is enlightened and doing a good job. In other ways, he has a full-blown, terminal case of the Inventor's Disease. I hope that in a few years, he can reach a reconciliation Defkalion and get the money recognition he deserves. - Jed
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Rossi's answer Andrea Rossi February 14th, 2012 at 6:23 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=580cpage=3#comment-185047 Dear Archibald Fields: This is a Clownerie. If this guy wants to test a 1 MW plant and has 1 million to spend he can buy a 1 MW plant, with a regular contract, that gives him all the necessary guarantees and to us the logic financial guarantees. Our plants Are tested by Our Customers and the Consultants they choose. I have not time at all for this clownery. Besides: when Our E-CATS will be in the market, this “millionaire” will have the chance to buy for few hundred dollars an E-Cat and test it as he wants, so why waste money? I do not need his money. Warm Regards, A.R. Andre
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On 2012-02-15 00:46, Jed Rothwell wrote: I predict that Rossi will ignore this offer. Yep: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=580cpage=3#comment-185047 Andrea Rossi February 14th, 2012 at 6:23 PM Dear Archibald Fields: This is a Clownerie. If this guy wants to test a 1 MW plant and has 1 million to spend he can buy a 1 MW plant, with a regular contract, that gives him all the necessary guarantees and to us the logic financial guarantees. Our plants Are tested by Our Customers and the Consultants they choose. I have not time at all for this clownery. Besides: when Our E-CATS will be in the market, this “millionaire” will have the chance to buy for few hundred dollars an E-Cat and test it as he wants, so why waste money? I do not need his money. Warm Regards, A.R. Be warned that he might be still editing his message on JONP. The notification in my RSS feeds had a different text. Cheers, S.A.
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Brilliant answer! 2012/2/14 Craig Brown cr...@overunity.co Hehe..gotta love Rossi Archibald Fields February 14th, 2012 at 5:57 PM Dick Smith Offer Dear Andrea, Australian millionaire Dick Smith has written an open letter to you offering more than $1,000,000 unconditionally if you can successfully repeat March 29 demo. This is easy money and you have till 20 Feb to accept. Kullander and Essen can be validators. This will provide you with easy and much needed funding. What good reason is there to decline this offer? Yours Faithfully, Archibald Fields Andrea Rossi February 14th, 2012 at 6:23 PM Dear Archibald Fields: This is a Clownerie. If this guy wants to test a 1 MW plant and has 1 million to’ spend he can buy a 1 MW plant, with a refilar contract, that gives him all the necessary guarantee. Our plants Are tester by Our Customers and the Consultants they chiose. I have not time at all for this clownery. Warm Regards, A.R. Original Message Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy? From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Date: Wed, February 15, 2012 9:46 am To: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com I predict that Rossi will ignore this offer. If I were him, I would accept it. But he has said he will do no tests, and he can be very stubborn. For some reason the decision is irrevocable. This is odd because he often changes his mind and changes his plans radically. One reason he will not allow tests is because he is a control freak. He will not allow other people unimpeded access to the cells. He will not allow EK to decide exactly how to do the test or what instruments to use. He has given over complete control on rare occasions. He hates do that. In some ways he is enlightened and doing a good job. In other ways, he has a full-blown, terminal case of the Inventor's Disease. I hope that in a few years, he can reach a reconciliation Defkalion and get the money recognition he deserves. - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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On 2012-02-15 00:56, Andre Blum wrote: Rossi's answer Andrea Rossi February 14th, 2012 at 6:23 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=580cpage=3#comment-185047 Dear Archibald Fields: This is a Clownerie. Please note: clownerie = travesty Cheers, S.A.
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Just for the record, this is Rossi's updated response: Andrea Rossi February 14th, 2012 at 6:23 PMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=580cpage=3#comment-185047 Dear Archibald Fields: This is a Clownerie. If this guy wants to test a 1 MW plant and has 1 million to spend he can buy a 1 MW plant, with a regular contract, that gives him all the necessary guarantees and to us the logic financial guarantees. Our plants Are tested by Our Customers and the Consultants they choose. I have not time at all for this clownery. Besides: when Our E-CATS will be in the market, this “millionaire” will have the chance to buy for few hundred dollars an E-Cat and test it as he wants, so why waste money? I do not need his money. Warm Regards, A.R. On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote: On 2012-02-15 00:56, Andre Blum wrote: Rossi's answer Andrea Rossi February 14th, 2012 at 6:23 PM http://www.journal-of-**nuclear-physics.com/?p=580** cpage=3#comment-185047http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=580cpage=3#comment-185047 Dear Archibald Fields: This is a Clownerie. Please note: clownerie = travesty Cheers, S.A. -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever!
